Why is finishing a story so hard? And why do TV shows seem to struggle with it more than movies?
>>220527463Those shows were all shit from the start anyway
>>220527463The Boys was bad since season 2 tho
>>220527463fan boys create head cannon that in turn doesn't actually ever pan out
bring back shows that were just cancelled
>>220527463You need to have a clear idea of where the story is going to end as you're beginning the tale.Breaking Bad and The Americans are 2 examples where the creators knew beforehand how to end the story instead of making it up as they went along.The Sopranos too I guess.
>>220527533the entire last season of breaking bad was lame though
>>220527463>everyone gather please before the final battle i have to tell you all, yes you too kali that i'm gay.GOT and The Boys weren't that bad.
>>220527533>Breaking BadVince Bravo admitted he didn't know what he was going to do with the machine gun at the time he first showed it.
>>220527463Not that movies don’t use this too, since it’s a very common element in storytelling, but TV shows always have multiple mysteries that keep you theorizing and wanting to see them resolved. Then, when it’s finally time to tie all the points together, they do a poor job, so you end up disappointed. Maybe it’s also because people spend years watching these shows and become more emotionally invested than they do with a movie they watch in a single day.
>>220527463most shows get cancelled before they finish, and if they continue to be successful they just make shit up as they go aka L O S T
>>220527463never had this problem with Murder She Wrote
>>220527559Yeah but I'm pretty sure he meant the machine gun to be used against the White Supremacists meth cooks as opposed to say, the DEA or Madrigal.
>>220527463It’s built into the structure of how shows are made. With streaming shows, you can leave a storyline open for years. It’s impossible to meet audience’s expectations for answers. Also seasons taking two years to make is a disaster for the writing process. The Pitt may be obnoxiously DEI but it will never have an awful final season the way The Boys and Stranger Things did.
Well I stopped the boys after S1 finale when it became clear they threw the comics in the binGRRM fatass never bothered writing the ending I don't know anything about Stranger Things, people just told me it was meh but not horrific like GoT ending
>>220527463Seriously though what is with the phenomenon of the casual viewers only caring about the quality of a show when its ending?Game of thrones was going downhill since season 4 but most people didn't give a shit, they mostly liked season 7, and would defend against valid criticisms up until the very end.The boys has been fucking slop goreporn and poop jokes for 2.5 seasons, they constantly walk back any plot development to keep the wheels spinning. Its worse than Silicon Valley in the way things start back at square one every season, but nobody seemed to fucking care until it actually had to reach the finish line.Stranger things was always netflix slop, season one was overrated and mid. No surprise it missed the landing.Why in the world do these garbage shows get shielded by normies from valid critique until the final moments? Is there something about endings that finally dispels their illusions and they can actually think critically?
>>220527463Most TV shows are just made up as they go along. And if the show is a megahit the network will want more of it so they have to make shit up. And when you make shit up other shit has to change it all becomes a mess. Does it matter anyway? Too much emphasis is put on TV show finales, most TV shows will never have a good one, hardly any of them are in much control of their own fate.
>>220527463Same reason posing questions is easier than answering themLiterally, cause suspense comes from intrigue which comes from unanswered questions
>>220527521is there a single modern show that just fan serviced the shit out of the ending? if so, surely it would be received positively, right?
>>220527827better call saul, kinda
Sopranos had a good ending
>>220527751The Boys formulas of “This Supe will give us this macguffin to finally kill Homelander” and “What Donald Trump quote should I use today?” Are better suited to a MotW show like Supernatural than streaming drama. It’s been dragged out so long the writers just forgot key character details.
>>220527827Cobra Kai comes to mind. Archer too.
>>220527845i feel like the audience was pretty split as to whether saul would get away with it or get locked up.i don't think any hollywood writer can resist the urge of le subverting le audience's expectations.
>>220527865i've heard cobra kai is very silly and over the top, i should check that one out.
>>220527827Game Of Thrones pretty much fanservice-coded the last season, if not earlier.Supernatural relied heavily on flirting with fanbase and fanservicing which gotten worse in the latter episodes
>>220527751people unconsciously understand story structure but dont give a shit/care about it until the beats the beats are missing
>>220527949didn't most people want daenerys to be the epic savior queen and not to go mad, though?
>>220527874true i more meant bringing back walt and jessie was pure fan service though and people loved it
>>220527463its easy to do setup for a story because you can just promise whatever you want or whatever you think sounds cool/will hook viewersbut if you just do it haphazardly then theres no possible way to actually pay any of it off in a satisfying way but most of the time the people writing this shit just kick the can down the road as much as they possibly can
>>220527971oh yeah for sure. i was referring more to plot points in my first post but there were plenty of fun callbacks and references towards the end of saul.
>>220527949got was pure fan sevice for the last 3 seasons. tormund meeting the hound, arya fighting brienne, jon and dany stuff.all to just fuck up in the final episode and kill the bitch all the dykes and queers liked.
>>220527792>>220527808>>220527612>>220527533It was a very disheartening moment for me, Battlestar Galactica. It was amazing they could be so sloppy.>most of the Cylons are revealed early in the series, the preacher man, the tall blonde, the perky gook>but there's five of them left>who could they be?>so many hints and red herrings for literally every characterThen I listen to Ronald D. Moore's behind the scenes podcast. They decided who the five Cylons would be, in the episode where they revealed them. The writers didn't fucking know. They argued and spitballed ideas and made it up on the spot, just before it was revealed in broadcast.
>>220527612The best example of this was Person of Interest. Great show, basically got cancelled after the 4th season but then the network gave them a half season order to wrap it up, and it ended beautifully.Just going until you run out of ideas is the worst thing to do for a tv show.
>>220528089same with my favorite show, though I think they did have a direction and ending in mind before they got cancelled.
>>220528089The decent thing to do is to at least give them a season or half season to wrap it up but yeah in a lot of cases things are still so messed up at that point there's not much chance of saving it
Western shows aren't made with a clear beginning, middle and end. Everything is about current ratings. There is no direction. They're unironically made with a 15-minute mindset.
>>220527463These shows are just meant to be background noise, and they have little thought put into them.To have a good ending, you need to have a story with plots and themes that resolve in a satisfying way. Most shows are just written on the fly until they abruptly end.
>>220527993it was also just good tv. walt and saul in the basement are some of the best scenes in the whole show and it felt earned and necessary. everyone watching knew it was inevitable that walter would make an appearence and they actually pulled it off in a way that was fan service-y and good.
GoT was great until Dumb&Dumber run out of lazy Gurm’s books. The Boys was shit from the start.
its crazy how much social capital a show gets just because it has the right politics
>>220527463The two biggest problems are that the showrunners get tired of it and want out, and the recurring cast members gain outrageously inflated pay that leaves no room to do anything (on top of scheduling conflicts that result from actors becoming popular).
The Boys had a real plot arc to pursue, and even when they changed characters and details around, they seemed to be headed there. All the way to the end of S4, they were still headed there.Then they gave up?The whole point of the story, more than Homelander, is that Butcher is a fucking psycho, whose revenge has genuinely twisted him beyond human. He's gone full Ahab.And that's why Hughie is the only person who can save the world, from Butcher.If that doesn't happen (and it's not gonna happen) then what the fuck was the point of the two protagonists?
>>220527463Writing a general premise is extremely simple. That's why there are so many "idea guys" in every medium. Finishing a story in satisfying way is a complete different thing.
>>220527949>let's take Jaime's unprecedented character development and throw it out the window lolfan service for cucks maybe.
>>220528429>>220527741GRRM claimed that he signed the filming rights over to Dabid because they correctly guessed some key plot element of the finale that he had never told anyoneI wonder if it was something like "Bran becomes king"
>>220527463never watch more than one season... that's it
>>220528427These shows all have a team (or multiple teams) of writers who all think their direction is best for the show. That’s why so many characters are introduced as important and then fade into the background as the show goes on. Ryan went from the center of The Boys main conflict to a minor character with three lines per season.
>>220527463Couldn't be me who dropped Stranger Things at S1 and GoT 4 episodes from the end
>>220527463Game of Thrones finale was fine in concept but needed more build-up and felt too rushed. Stranger Things finale was harmless and inoffensive, not bad enough to seethe about and not good enough to gush about. The Boys has always been getting worse and worse and this lates season is quite possibly the worst final set of episodes for any big TV show since Dexter.
>>220527463I remember when someone on here posted this fake leak a few months ago and you were all calling it bad lol. Now how do you feel?
>>220528600In /tbg/ we figured each episode is written by different people who weren’t communicating with each other. Kripke probably gave them general plot points to incorporate. Then the editors had to make sense of everything. After the fact. That’s the only explanation that makes sense.
>>220527484FPBP
>>220527463The bigger question is, why do you people keep getting so involved and invest so much time in things that are unfinished, and then you lose your minds when it ends badly (which is every time).
>>220527533>The Sopranos too I guess.The last season was a disaster. There was a decade break between season 5 and 6, and it was clear they had no idea what they were doing.
>>220527484boys season 1 had the potential for something great
>>220527463Imagine you were filming your movie in order, and 30 minutes before the end of your film, the producers came to you and said "hey, we need another hour."
>>220529997I don't agree.
>>220530089Season 1 was great dude. The moral grandstanding from leftards was minimal enough to ignore. But the storyline was extremely strong. A group of rebels operating in secret to take down a corporate back hegemony of superpowered antivillains. There were real stakes and real tension.Now it's just lecturing, gore, degenerate sex, temp v which is supposed to reduce your lifespan but does fuckall, no secrecy - everyone's out in the open, plotholes etc.
One reason can be they don't really have a clear ending in mind, or they got too far off course during the run of the series that they have to course correct to work back toward the originally envisioned, or come up with something new.Or another is that they're afraid to go all out and give it a real sense of finality, either because the executives want to leave things open for a future return, or because the writers themselves want to make spinoffs.
Outlander roastie hereThe pain is eternal. I wasted 14 years of my life watching a nurse getting plapped by a Scotsman for 8 seasons around the world and all we are getting is milkwarm endings to all characters except the handicapped frog that got roasted alive.Never invest in series. Just going to watch movies all the rest of my life
>>220527463>GOTShould've ended after Jon dies and let it open ended to force GRRM into releasing the damn book>Stranger ThingsIt went on for too damn long, popularity killed it>The Boyssame as Stranger Things the plot of these shows can't work for a whole 5 seasons5 whole sessions of build up to kill ONE big bad guy is never gonna feel satisfyingThat's like 7 years of blueballing the audience for a pretty generic payoff
>>220530243I want to thank you for putting a smile on my facethere, I did it
>>220527463He looks weirdly wholesome with the crown.
>>220530765him telling Christ that he's unworthy was also out of character
>>220530166I thought it started out gay from the start. The main plot makes no sense. Homelander can kill all of them whenever he feels like it, and there's no reason for him NOT to other than headcanon coping about him keeping them around to enjoy their struggle or something (even though they're killing his underlings and presumably will only become more annoying as time goes on). Speaking of, that Butcher was able to take out Translucent was retarded as well.
>>220530814He did that? I might watch the other seasons now.
>>220530846It was absolutely fake humility. But it's been a while since Homelander has even bothered to fake humility. He stopped saying "You guys are the real heroes" ages ago.
Stranger things became awful in Season 2Game of Thrones became awful in Season 5, maybe even 4The Boys was awful outside of season 1 and some moments in season 3Plebs only realize these shows are awful when their proverbial plot runway runs out of space. Non-plebs can see this shit is awful from a mile away because it is structurally boring, derivative, and redundant. "What if superheroes bad" is not an inherently good concept. Nor is it inherently bad. So you watch the show. And it's interesting. Then you realize it's going nowhere, or where it's going is shit, you realize it sucks, and you can ignore it. This has been shit for a long time. Stop being plebs.
>>220530831As far as I can remember homelander was genuinely outmatched tactically in the first season. It's only in the later seasons that it doesn't make any sense for him to not kill them.btw translucent was an arrogant retard, not a surprise that he was the first to fall
why are you fags watching this womanslop
>>220528189I literally boycotted SciFi (SyFy) channel after they did Farscape dirty by announcing a renewal for another season then pulling the rug and cancelling it. Looks like the channel never recovered.
>>220531200Name a good series
>>220529997I think season 1 was very good, but honestly it was so tight that without planning for a whole series that started while writing season 1, it never would have worked.
>>220528089POI ended at exactly the right time - the show was becoming formulaic and it managed to squeak out a great, poignant ending in the 11th hour.
>>220530655>Should've ended after Jon diesIt should've kept going after Jon dies, but he should have stayed dead and things should have just gotten progressively more dire. Just go full-bad end; finish the series with the surviving mains on the last boat out of Westeros watching the dead consume the heart of the seven kingdom and the millions of people living in it and realizing all their bullshit and backstabbing was for nothing.
>>220527463>ran out of material to adapt and just kinda puttered to a stupid ending>never planned to have any material past the first season so they just kinda winged it but also spent entirely too fucking long between seasons doing so>decided to jump right off the fucking rails immediately and completely threw away the plot of the comics but had zero fucking idea what to do insteadI'm reminded of an interview by the showrunner for picard, talking about lessons he learned from the first season, and he said more or less verbatim that they were shooting the first episode pf the first season, on a serialized show, without even knowing what the story was going to be for the last episode of that season. In a fucking 10 episode season.These motherfuckers have no idea what they're doing. There is no plan, story threads just get introduced without any idea where theyre going to go, or even if theyre going to get resolved, simply because they seem interesting.
>>220527533>The SopranosI don't think so, that final season seemed absolutely hamfisted. The show was probably meant to end with Buscemi but all that went wrong and we ended up with a half assed plot.
>>220527463>lumping got with those 2 radioactive trash showsnice try, you can't not expect a shit ending for those 2 because those shows has always been shit to begin with
>>220532751So why did GOT start so strong and then wind up as pure shit?
>>220527463Stranger things and game of thrones had unironically better final season than the boys
>pay showrunners, writers, actors too much $>they become millionaires who adjust to a higher standard of living, often involving drugs, unnecessary surgery, fringe diets, degen sex, etc.>actors lose touch with their roles, get tired of the monotony, and look forward to new projects>they no longer look as fresh and in-character as they did in earlier seasons>everyone notices except for the actors>have to rush the ending because obviously everything's FUBAR'ed>amazon is a trillion-dollar company so it doesn't care if their shows aren't doing well as before, they can just blame musk/trump or whomeever is the current "evil oligarch".
>>220532926Bad acting doesn't explain outright bad writing.
>dropped GoT after S4>dropped Stranger Things after S1>never watched The BoysWhat do you mean, both of these shows had fine, satisfying conclusion.
>>220532667It's baffling to me how anyone could ever think this is an appropriate way to write a show. Like who the fuck invests millions of dollars into producing a story without knowing anything about where it's going to go?
>>220527463Story?I think you mean finishing the message.
>>220532982>who the fuck invests millions of dollars into producing a story without knowing anything about where it's going to goanon...
>>220530243kekeI dropped it after season 3. I consider the hurricane and them in the pre-revolutionaire American shores the conclusion of the show.Are the books any good? Maybe the end is different
>>220527463because the executives get greedy and they talk to the showmakers about how much money they're going to make from spinoffs then the showmakers get greedy and lose focus and just want to finish so they can move on to the next million dollar payoutinstead of thinking "what would be the best way to finish this" they're thinking "how do i set up as many spinoffs as possible"
>>220527463Americans and their prioritisation of capital and trendiness over art. Other countries do it just fine, see Heldensagen vom Kosmosinsel for instance. 110 episodes spread across almost a decade and they stick the landing in a way that makes sense from how the story started out and its trajectory the way through, without feeling predictable or forced.
>>220533021It's funny how they really wanted there to be a spin off of the annoying other powered characters in Stranger Things but literally every fan hated them so much that the idea got scrapped kek.
>>220529997Yes when it began it was so epic for the win! The narwhal bacons at midnight :)
Look at you tards whining your goyslop had yid jizz in it. Imagine consuming this shit.
>>220527463That one The Boys ending leak actually look alright but we'll see>>220530243i wish i was a girl. i hate women because i envy their femininity.
>>220527751Pretty silly question. I'm not one to keep watching a show if I don't feel like it's still good or enjoyable, but a lot of people do. The simple reason: "maybe it'll turn around". You can keep thinking it'll be better eventually until it's the last season and fans start realizing all those chances you gave the show was for nothing and now there's no chance for redemption. You won't get too mad if there's more seasons that could be phenomenal, but you'll finally get upset when it's almost over and it's still shit or getting worse.
>>220527463funny this doesn't happen with anime
>>220533752most anime don't end right? like dragon ball it's more of a franchise that just goes on (and on hiatus) until the author dies?
>>220533805very few are endless like one piece, most have a satisfying conclusion
>>220533043I think the problem there was that these other cast of characters took away too much from the main plotline when things were most dire, it was fucking annoyingIf this other cast of characters showed up in hawkins earlier in the begining if the season, helped, and then took off, the spin off wouldve been better received
People saying stranger things was trash kinda missed the point, watching the show was like having the experience of being a kid in a small town in 80s america, it was comfy
>>220529997I just thought it was repulsive
>>220527751If you're wanking for an hour then fail to cum you're going to be pissed off.
>>220528429Jaime going on hijinks in the exotic land of Dorne with his sharp-tongued sidekick and, may God forgive me for uttering the name, Beyond The Wall was pure distilled fanservicium.
>cape growslop up
>>220534161and then the ending is analogous to the crushing weight of reality setting in once your childhood is over?
>>220529263>decade break vetween season 5 and 6What are waffling about
>>220527641Because they're all standalone episodes?
>>220534161>watching the show was like having the experience of being a kid in a small town in 80s america, it was comfyThat was Season 1 and ONLY Season 1
>>220533855Chainsaw Man II ended and it was pure horseshit, JJK ended mediocre
>>220532450Not that poster but>Angel>Corporate>Vice Principals>LegionThose are ones where I feel like they stuck the landing with the series ending. WHen it gets past three seasons it starts getting iffy.
>>220527463Americans can't write endings.
>>220528429He was never one of those fan favorite characters the way Dany, Jon or Arya were.
>>220536940He said good shows not total slop.
>>220527463Main issue is that they don't have a plan from the beginning to guide each season's direction. They also end up introducing too much shit which is borderline impossible to wrap up satisfyingly over the course of the final season.Unironically the best ending in media I've seen has been from a comic book lmao.
>>220532866Nah, man.
>>220527751>Why in the world do these garbage shows get shielded by normies from valid critique until the final moments?Because normalfags are into these shitshows mostly for the community they create. They want to have something to talk about with coworkers during break, they want something to talk about with autismos on reddit during their free time so they can waste it without getting depressed, and they want something that know girls will like when they come over for Netflix and chill.These communities discussions are mostly fueled by "what do you guys think will happen next?", with "who do you think will fuck who?" and "who do you think will come out on top in this conflict between these characters?" being right after. It's basically gossip about non-existent people, but when the garbage ride ends there's no room for these kind of discussions anymore, even if some points went unanswered. If the protagonist didn't end up with neither Chick A or Chick B, it's pointless to ask "who do you think he liked more?": he will not fuck any of them now, so what he felt in the past doesn't matter, it didn't turn into action so it might as well never existed.And this is it for all the main topics of discussions of these kind of series: when the show's over, the discussion ends and the community disappears. What's left for the normalfag then is what actually should matter in any story: the plot, the characters, the themes etc. As dumb as he is, even he can now realise how shit it all was now that there isn't anyone talking to him about the fluff that distracted him from the more important things.So he either starts to talk about the show badly, or forgets about it and the discussion in public spaces is left to those who said it was shit/gonna be shit from day 1.This is not exclusive to series or TV shows by the way, hell it isn't even exclusive to movies.>>220533414>Pretty silly question.It wasn't, you just weren't capable of understanding it properly.
>>220533752Nips are notoriously shit when it comes to endingsWhat the fuck man
>>220537301No they're not, it's mostly a meme. American made tv shows have a worse track record.
>>220532450Ripper StreetAgatha Christie's PoirotThe Last KingdomThe TerrorDeadwoodHornblowerJohn AdamsMindhunterNarcosThe DaysThe Pillars of the EarthThe Serpent TutankhamunUnder the Banner of HeavenWorld Without EndTo the Ends of the Earth After LifeDeadline GallipoliDr. DeathJack IrishPoldarkThe Night Of
>>220538117Must be nice to have such low standards.
>>220527533Some shows endings are ruined for that exact reason thougheverbeit (HIMYM)
>>220538328Ruined would imply it was ever good.
>>220538278Ok. I'm taking the bait. Show me your list.
Because 'writer' is a hack job
>>220538450>bait>implying Learn to communicate like a human being. Those are mediocre and a few shit ones and a few exceptions like Deadwood which had a great first season followed by very weak two seasons and a very unsatisfying ending.
>>220538370it could have ended fine if it hadn't been for that entire last season
>>220538554It's shit from the first season.
>>220538535>still no listI continue to take your bait until your procure me with your own list.
>>220538535>blah blah blahpost your llst you coward
>>220527463Everyone just assumes a new show will be cancelled before the ending anyways so they don’t think about “well this will be a good ending” but just want to get another season
>>220538572Same thing with GoT. Got retards still defending it tho. Can't help people with bad taste
>>220528063Battlestar chickened out by not killing off everyone besides the special baby, Gaius and Caprica 6.Just have them be the only survivors and they land on prehistoric earth Then say the cavemen are remenants from an every earlier human/cylon cycle
>>220538767GoT is kinda painful because the first 3 seasons were a good adaptation. It just goes so wrong.
>>220538586>>220538659Nice autism.
>>220538831Show me your list.
>>220538827Nope. It sucks from the start. Again. Can't help people with bad taste.
>>220538860>It sucks from the startWhy? I've read the books, the first 3 seasons are faithful.
>>220527463Americans are simply the worst writers in all mediums.
>>220538875The books are awful, too.
>>220538927Yup. Imagine liking that drivel
>>220527484fpbp/thread
>>220538927That doesn't disprove the first 3 seasons being a bad adaptation.
>>220538955Not a bad adaptation, just a bad show.
>>220527463As media attention increases, so too does pressure against the writers from left-wing women and middle-management. That's why limited series, which are all written before the first episode airs, are invariably much better.
>>220527463Stranger things had a decent ending, not sure why its in that picture, but anyway. This is something i have noticed lately with the anime and manga industey too, the endings of 75% of the stuff i watch turns to shit by the end or by the last couple of arcs. It is like noone knows how to really write an ending., or even write at all
>>220527463>>220527533>>220527612This is the greatest weakness of the serialized format. TV's only real advantage over movies is that it has a lot more time to flesh out characters. As evidenced by all 3 examples in the OP TV writers spend so much time setting up all these plot threads dozens upon dozens of episodes earlier that eventually needs resolving and then delay them for as long as possible so when the final season arrives everything gets rushed because the writers blatantly just stall for time until the last couple of episodes because they keep kicking the can down the road until they can no longer wing it. It doesn't help TV shows are usually +12 episodes long and each episode lasts for a full hour. This heavily incentivizes the need for mystery box storytelling with zero payoff and drag everything out long past its natural conclusion. Most TV would be better off as miniseries or 3 seasons max. Stuff like Stranger Things was always going to end up a disaster because it was meant to be an anthology show like AHS but then it became too popular and Netflix and The Duffers got the dollar signs in their eyes and opted to just milk that shit for all its worth, this happens time and time again with TV that's why it's a dogshit format that used to be rightfully looked down upon and was largely oversaturated with sitcoms that didn't pretend to be high art. Comic books/manga suffer from largely the same issues, bad storytellers don't know when it's a good time to stop after they get their one hit, they're afraid they might never get another. At least with movies they're usually self contained stories with a beginning, middle and end so even if they sequel bait at the end like The Matrix you're still satisfied and can just rewatch the same movie again sometime if you crave more.
>>220539012>As media attention increasesKek who you tryin to fool?
>>220538831>retard cant even name a single showwow what a surprise
>>220539132Your tantrum is amusing.
>>220539173Show me your list.
>>220533752>>220533855Bullshit. Most anime or manga end and end disappointingly. The ones that go on forever are the ones with authors or editors scared they won't catch lightning in a bottle twice and will try to ride the popularity to generational wealth and a legacy.Most final arcs suck due to the HIMYM problem: they write their beginnings and endings before their middle sections and the storylines and characters drift significantly away from the original draft. Then they either rubberband too hard back to the original idea (Robin) or have to rewrite the ending and don't know how to properly address the remaining plot points.
>>220527463Usually it's because the writers run out of steam a couple of seasons in (aka Breaking Bad), but in the case of the Boys and GoT they chose not to properly adapt the source material.
this is a good thread for me to ask one old question that always plagued my mind: why do people keep falling for "mystery" TV shows, when they all always end in total bullshit?my prime example is Lost. this show specialized into creating mysterious things that get "explained" by even more mysterious things, which in tern get never answered until the end, but only with last-minute asspulls that make no sense or outright invalidate the entire story.you can probably widen this critique to include shows that try to sell you style and subvert expectations like the boys. similar to mystery tv shows, they bombard you with interesting ideas in season 1, only to then flanderize themselves season by season by repeating what they thought the viewers liked.and they all have no plan, no endgame, which is the most baffling part. that's not how you tell a GOOD story. you want to tell a good story because you know how it will all end. you can make up shit along the way, but you, the storyteller, HAS to know where it al leads to, so it stays coherent and will satisfy your audience. a story you don't know the end of is a story told by a child who just acts on its urges.
I don't get why they get the license of shows and then refuse to adapt it properly. Stuff like Walking Dead and the Boys go so far off the rails from the source material that it's really in name only.
>>220539312> why do people keep falling for "mystery" TV showsmost people watch shit for the vibes, feels and because they don't have anything else to do, it's not deeper than that
>>220528461Nah it was what's his faces dad.
>>220527543no it wasn't
>>220539246You're simply incorrect.
>>220533752It does all the time particularly when the anime is adapting a manga
>>220539286The Boys comic will never not be garbage.
>>220538117>Ripper StreetI wish more people talked about this, I loved it
>>220539381Why adapt it then? Why bother getting the rights in the first place?
>>220539404Why not
>>220539340>most people watch shit for the vibesyeah, you are probably right. I'm guilty of irrationality too. I sometimes try to watch an episode of star trek or star gate, since I love space and sci-fi, but I always stop halfway into it because I just cannot stand the general atmosphere. I wish I could point my finger at what it actually is that turns me off so much.
>>220527463Because the viewer base starts off as genuine fans, and then spirals into the main stream, and then the creators or torn between which camp to appease
>>220527463i enjoyed all of these :)
>>220539466idk about star trek's atmosphere but the show was never that great to me, some episodes were nonsensical, others were good. the show was never consistent. I'm talking about TNG mostly, I'm not a trekie so I've never watched all seasons.
>>220527463They change writing teams after the first or second season to save money and viewers are already too invested by that time to stop watching.
>>220527533breaking bad is famous for being made up as they went along, retard. there are entire characters that only exist due to happenstance, like Mike
>>220528461>because they correctly guessed some key plot element of the finale that he had never told anyoneHe also said he signed a deal with them to provide notes on how the books end in case he died before they finished the show. Now he's saying they guessed right? lol
>>220527751>they mostly liked season 7, and would defend against valid criticisms up until the very end.Season 7 was easily the most entertaining of the last four, even though the criticism is absolutely valid.
>>220533752Pic unrelated?
>>22053249Why is this happening with every show now? Has to be a rothchilds thing.
>>220539322Even if Game of Thrones was alright at the start they changed so much shit from that too even since season 1. Bananas.
>>220527533The Americans had a terrible ending too though.
>>220539681So did Breaking Bad.
>>220533752pic unrelated, right?
Only Krauts can plan and series from start to finish and actually execute.
>>220539882Tell that to ol' Adolf
>>220527751>Game of thrones was going downhill since season 4 but most people didn't give a shit, they mostly liked season 7, and would defend against valid criticisms up until the very end.Because there is something called "potential" I remember people hoping that the crazy fan theories about the acolyte were right. Only to be disappointed
>>220539012I have no doubt this is the case, it's like the writers grow in numbers and it becomes a disjointed, unrecognizable mess. Classic case of too many cooks and it's pretty obvious with a lot of these shows with episodes that feel like a roller coaster in quality and completely different visions clashing.Endings are hard to write in general but modern shows feel particularly bad with how steeply they decline in quality the moment they gain any kind of traction.
>>220527484FPBP Part of why shows today suck so much is that they're meant to be able to keep going for as long as they're reasonably popular. Great stories that are told cleverly aren't improvised, they are necessarily invented in a handful of instants of inspiration, and the first word can't be written before the last one is known. Here, they've written, cast actors, filmed and signed deals before even having an idea of the ending, or if they'll even have to come up with one. I could have told you that about any one of these shows years ago.
>>220536757>names two of the most normie anime of the decade
>>220527489The Boys was bad in ep1 when the guy walked out with his pants off expecting a BJ - who conceived that scene a 14 year old?
>>220527533これ
Does anyone have that specific mid-2020 Instagram screenshot where Abel (@theweeknd) followed the "After Dark" synthwave guy right after the After Hours edit went viral?I know the image hash is probably blacklisted but I need it for a lost media archive. Post it as a compressed file or drop a link if you have it saved on your local drive. Thanks.
>>220527751Once the source material ended, they made it up along the way. The final two rushed seasons were terrible
>>220540219Apparently it happens. Most girls just don't mention it until they're friend or fiance asks about their history. The thought that it was sexual harassment, doesn't even cross these girls' minds.
>>220527484This.
>>220527463GOT had a few decent seasons.The other two had nothing.
>>220540327Got was slop from the second season.
>>220532494I will now check out this show
>>220527890Only saw the first season, easiest 10/10
>Vikings final seasonThis was a mess
>>220539961what do you mean, he successfully planned and executed ww2, literally the entire world participated in that event
>>220539882that shit is completely out of the box for germans tho.german shows usually revolve around nepo-baby actors playing absolutely dogshit drama for women. their most popular shows like tatort are pure, unfiltered slop. it's such rough dogshit that you can actually feel the shit grains grinding between your teeth when you try to swallow it.
>>220527463Why is finishing a story so hard? And why do TV shows seem to struggle with it more than movies?because tv shows are not written with a story or an ending in mind. even the best TV shows are all about creating a series of interesting scenes. it's similar to indian food: completely drenched in spices, but no actual meat under all that powder.
>>220540789Because showrunners are too scared to do a safe and satisfying ending, thinking people will dislike it for being too predictable. So instead they do something stupid to shock the audience and subvert le expectations, which always leads to more hate than they would have gotten otherwise.
>>220540651And fumbled the ending.
>>220533805Dragon Ball ends with Grandpa Gohan fucking a giant goddess while Goku fucks ChiChi. Quite comfy.
>>220538535>>220538831>>220539173Lol look at this coward
>>220541496Damn, you're mindbroken.
>>220542076
The boys adapted a comic most people seem to hate. The premise is one or two seasons of material at most. The plot armour gets too thick and you stop believing the stakes exist. I've watched zero episodes because I didnt like the comic but going to assume thats what happened.
>>220527533>You need to have a clear idea of where the story is going to end as you're beginning the tale.Seasons are made up as they go along. Sometimes actors leave or contracts end.
>>220539538Most seasons are written like this. The more you dig deep the creators just bluffed.
>>220532702final season is weak becuase everyone expected some big gang war fare and not a bunch of boring episodes with his depressed horny son.
>>220527751All these shows would be 10/10 if they were episodic and not long form stretched out to 13 episodes.
>>220527949>Game Of Thrones pretty much fanservice-coded the last seasonDany would've won then. If she banished the white walkers and killed cersie these plebs would call it a 10/10.
>>220528089The show went to shit when they killed the black cop. Truly dogshit.
>>220533855>most have a satisfying conclusionNo, anime has the same problem where they go on for too long or get canceled early.
>>220534374>Beyond The WallI'm still in the camp that this was the worst episode in the entire series over anything in Season 8.
>>220528363>Butcher is a fucking psychoButcher did nothing wrong. Total Supe Death.
>>220527751>Why in the world do these garbage shows get shielded by normies from valid critique until the final moments?why in the world are you making things up? game of thrones was shat on from S6 onwards. the boys was shat on from S3 onwards and same thing with stranger things from S2. i saw no one praising these shows like they did early on
Problem comes from character's becoming franchised. Once that happens the are limits what that character can do.
because they dont actually have an ending in mind when they start writing, or they change it somewhere along the waythis always ends to a bunch of never ending mysteries that cant actually be solved but have to regardless for the arc to be complete
>>220527463Social media has fucking ruined the writers' room. every dipshit in hollywood these days has xitter and/or bluesky looming over their shoulder and subtly influencing the process
>>220527533the sopranos ended in a "lol fuck you we are done, story ends here"breaking bad ended in a "hes dead! or maybe not? tee hee, who cares! you will never know! the programme is over!"not exactly masterful conclusions
>>220543607the yasqueen crowd as unbearable, the only good thing those retarded hacks did was how they made her evil instantly
>>2205292631 year break ...people forget shows used to come out every week not all at oncesopranos every season ran an entire year, thats why it seems they were spaced so far apart
>>220533004I kinda believe the actual ending of the series was back when Roger and Brianna went back to 80s Scotland the first time. Where they find the letters and the probable stones where Jamie might be buried. Whatever happened to Claire and Jamie? Dog knows, thats what happens..."People disappear all the time"There, BRAVO DIANA GABALDON! The 10th book aint even finished i think. >>220533114You can be feminine and be a man, faggot. Im not a woman. I just watched the series with my waif
>>220527533>Breaking Bad
>>220527543>>220539347it was rushed.that montage'd his "empire building" with the money piling up
>>220527484that's exactly what OP's image is conveying tho
>>220548855>>220539347>>220527543the most overrated IP in existence in the history of Earth
>>220527533Mad Men's final season was perfect
>>220537262Expert analysis, as always .
>>220532450Mr. InbetweenSuccessionArrested Development Curb Your Enthusiasm White LotusMad MenNeon Genesis Evangelion Goodnight, Punpun
The problem is the 8 episode formatSwitching from the 25 episode 5 act per episode format ruined television
>>220527463it's funny that you think it's not done deliberately.you think hollywood is in the business of making art that serves humanity or to subvert it?
>>220527484GoT had four 7-9/10 seasonsStranger Things had one 6/10 seasonThe Boys had one 6/10 season
>>220538117stupid Plebbitor
>>220527463Writing is hard. The longer a show goes on, the harder it becomes to maintain quality. Even worse if execs meddle and force you to drag it out. Characters end up spinning their wheels. They flip flop. Plots get reused. Cast and crew all get complacent, because you aren’t trying to prove anything anymore. In the early seasons of a show, they put so much effort into details, into locations, into the world. A few seasons down the line, they give absolutely no fucks about that kind of thing. And usually the writers either run out of ideas or leave. The replacements often have no idea what made the show good in the first place. And very few plot driven stories have it all planned out from the start. So they’re winging it by the end, and everything has gotten drastically worse. And the more plot lines and characters you’ve added make the whole thing bigger and more unwieldy, like a giant jenga tower.It’s not a surprise they often fail to stick the landing. What’s surprising is that anyone ever does manage it.
>>220538535you sound like a fucking redditor. please, kill yoursef. World will be a better place if you do
>>220539312I can't talk about this right now
>>220527484THIS >stranger thingsLMAO, utter dog water. what age are you OP?>>220527463
>>220549171but he said >Why is finishing a story so hard?implying they were in some form good before they were finished
>>220539312Because Lost promised to give answers until it didnt and you realized they were making it up as they went and had no vision. But we should've seen it coming from JJ because his involvement in anything meant shit results. And from what I remember, it wasn't much as a mystery show as it was a survival show that would result in their coming home and rescued, we were just following along these characters and getting to know them, how would they interact etc. That was it. Until it wasnt.
>>220527463If you become popular, you cannot end when you want. You are payed to stretch, and quality get fucked. LOST was a prime example of this.Meanwhile since nobody gave a fuck about the wire, they could do what they wanted and become the best series ever.
>>220554477based and answered
>>220531663Also in S1 Homelander was still being controlled by Corporate PR people to be a 'clean American hero'. Even though he was a psycho behind the scenes he had to be careful about going around killing too many people as it would ruin his image. It's why that flight recording blackmail was such a big part of the first few seasons because the public didn't know how crazy he was yet
>>220539882But only the first season is good.
