Has a film ever tackled the trolley problem?
last Fantastic Four raised it, it almost became interesting, then for some reason all of humanity takes their side because they're nice :)))
>>220530489The Good Place season 2 episode 6
>>220530516>then for some reason all of humanity takes their side because they're nice :)))This was retarded even for superhero movie standards.>Everyone you know and love and the entire planet are all going to die, but have you considered that I really love my baby?>Whoa, you're right! We love you Sue! Now, please use all of our planet's resources for your husband's untested theory!
There's been alot of shitty debate ever since zoomers got a hold of the Trolley Problem and created bipartisan politics out of it via the internet. They want it to be a test before voting and ban anybody who picked the deontologist option over the consequentialist one.
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>>220530804zoomers dont know anything beyond flicking to the next tiktok so i highly doubt this
You cannot really put the Trolley Problem into something like a film or a show without contrivance to bend it to either side when it's made to be vague on purpose because it's about ethics AND the chain of harm.
>>220530489My brother gets mad when I say I would just walk away. I didn't make the trolley or tie anyone down, playing with train levers sounds like someone else's job I would go buy a gallon of milk.
>>220530489Dark Knight Rises you shit fuck niggerzoom
>>220530489Eye in the Sky, good movie with an excellent scene in the end w/ Alan Rickman (the "never tell a soldier" line)
Batman Returns but was a 1vs1 choice
>>220530873>zoomers dont know anything beyond flicking to the next tiktokOldest zoomers are 30 with kids, dumbass. Youngest are graduating high school.
>>220530900Your brother sounds like a little bitch.
>>220530900That's the deontological manner which is why some shows like >>220530696make it so you are forced to make a decision when that was never really the point as you are not the reason nor the agent of culpability for the runaway train. It's related to the drowning child experiment of Peter Singer that if utilitarians would save a drowning child they also acquire the moral obligation to save the world from drowning children. The fact of the matter is that everyone at every instance in their lives continually do not "pull the lever of trolley".
>>220530489Yes. 2012. >the rich build a giant arc so they won't die from the apocalyptic flood >a bunch of poor people want to get on the arc too and are banging at the doors begging for help>but the arc doesn't have enough food and water for everyone, so if they let the poor people on everyone will die very slowly from starvation >they decide to let the poor people on anyway, thus dooming everyone
>>220530789You think they should have negotiated with the terrorists?
>>220531214i think they should have let one baby die to save the planet. it's evil not to.
>>220532206Why? Because some dickhead alien said so? They had another way to deal with him and it worked, they didnt have to give up the baby or anyone at all. Besides, even if they gave up the baby, who's to say that would guarantee their safety? If they're in a position where theyre so powerless to defend themselves that they need to give in to insane demands, then giving up a baby is not going to put them in a better position to defend themselves if he changes his mind or was just straight up lying. Unless you are in a position to defend yourself, then choices like that are just illusions. You don't have a choice, you just have to accept whatever the other guy decides to do with you, and at that point you may as well just make it as difficult as possible for them because fuck them.
>>220532355i'd give up my own life for billions of people. yeah, the big alien could be lying, but everyone believes the threat is real.imagine being that baby. you'd grow up knowing everyone in the world hates you even though the 'heroes' won, because they decided you were more special and important than literally everyone else.
>>220533376NTA but it's stupid to sacrifice yourself for anything but your family and maybe close friends in hurricane Katrina people automatically started killing, raping and robbing each other. LA riots were the same.
>>220533790I'd sacrifice myself for any human, but americans, chinese, and other bugmen aren't human
>>220530489https://youtu.be/uVtKCd7Fyu4Short movie, in the end father need to make a choice either kill his son or the train full of passengers.
>>220530489You mean like a coin on the track
I would do nothing, because if I pull the lever I would kill someone and killing people is bad.
>>220534050what if the evil skeleton was the one who pulled the lever, and it was your decision whether to push it back?
>>220530489Vsauce actually tricked people into doing it and the episode is really interesting. Seemed real because the one guy who pulled the switch was trembling and all fucked up having stress responses after doing it.
>>220534171didn't we make that type of thing illegal after those "continue administering the electric shocks." experiments?
>>220534095I wouldn't push it back. The evil skeleton is not to be trifled with
>>220534182It wasn't real, nobody gets hurts or could get hurt
>>220530900When the question is "do you pull the lever" and you interpret walking away as a rejection of the question rather than the "no" it is, you're just proving your a sub 80 IQ retard
>>220530489They just did.
>>220534302gay
>>220534294This, honestly. I wouldn’t pull the lever, and if I was forced to choose, my answer remains the same. What freaks like the brother of the anon you replied to really want is to have people like me forced to pull the lever.What these lunatics really want is for me to be tortured heavily for an extended period before being presented with the choice. Then, just before I am given the option, I am told unless I do pull the lever, I have to go back into the torture chamber for twice as long, to be tortured three times as hard. In their dream scenario, yes, I pull the lever. These “means create the ends” sociopaths believe this is a philosophical victory, because they have ignored the reality of human nature. Torture victims do whatever they think will make the torture stop, producing nonsense results. It doesn’t work the way they convince themselves it does (in order to justify that they want it). They wouldn’t have proven that “I can only value stopping suffering if I can see myself involved.” No, they would have only proven that in order to avoid having my tongue burned and my fingernails torn off, I will pretend to agree with things I don’t agree with, and say things I know not to be true. We have known that about people for decades. That’s how everyone ITT would respond, and anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant of the reality of pain. This all sounds histrionic, I’m sure, but the real reason they love the trolley problem has nothing to do with the silly hypothetical of 6 random people. It’s about state enforced eugenics. These are the same kind of leftist you see in Canada, trying to convince people with mental health conditions or chronic to allow the state to euthanise them at age 37. Their reasoning is entirely based on raw output. Contributions to the economy. Let them go long enough, and they’ll reinstate the Viking tradition of making old people jump off a cliff, and call it progress. They sicken me.
>>220534182They did some psychological testing on the people beforehand, but its still unethical in principle. Nobody actually got hurt but it still causes a fight or fight reaction.
>>220533376But youre not giving your life up for billions of people, youre cucking yourself out of your own life because some faggot told you to and accomplishing nothing. If they've got the power to kill billions of people then you giving up your life is completely pointless if it doesnt diminish that power in any way.
>>220532355>They had another way to deal with him and it workedExcept it didn't work. Reed's plan failed and they got bailed out by Johnny wanting to fuck the Female Surfer so bad he learned her language.
>>220530900My brother is also a pretentious midwit and said the same thing thinking it was a very profound answer. your answer is meant to sound as if you have zero agency and were never involved but thats wrong-o! You were at the lever, you know five people are going to die. Walking away is just letting it happen. It’s really no different from someone who stands there with their hand gripping the lever ensuring it doesn’t switch. The only reason people choose this is to have a clear conscience but it just makes you sound like a pretentious pussy who’s scared of making a tough decision. Which is probably how you go about life
>>220534770Whatever, I didnt watch the movie
We already figured it out long go, it's even on a banner
>>220534494Who the fuck are you talking about
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>>220535183Why wouldn't this work?
>>220530489fate zero
>>220530489Star Trek: Voyager S02E24 - Tuvix
>>220530489The Butterfly Effect and at least a few other time travel movies.
>>220530489Avengers: Infinity WarIt perfectly demonstrated what a fucking moron Steve was for insisting that they don't let Vision die.
