Rewatched the AI colonel speech from MGS2 and realized most people still treat it like a meme instead of a serious warning.Spent the last few weeks making a cinematic essay connecting it to algorithmic feeds, synthetic culture, AI-curated identity, and information overload.Curious what people here think.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAXl-McYIBM
>>220534014>Curious what people here think.people don't
it's not mindblowing and pretty much mainstream now. even facebook grandma has some opinion that they are being fucked over by algorithms and encroaching big techI guess the dumbest slowpoke normgroids will get value from it
>>220534506True, but MGS2 was talking about algorithmically curated reality before most people even lived online.The weird part is how normal it all feels now.
I think it's amazing that the translation basically saved this as it's gibberish nonsense in Japanese. All the context stuff is completely absent in Kojimas original script.
We didn't listen.
>Spent the last few weeks making a cinematic essay connecting it to algorithmic feeds, synthetic culture, AI-curated identity, and information overload.
>>220534014>Spent the last few weeks making a cinematic essay connecting it to algorithmic feeds, synthetic culture, AI-curated identity, and information overload.I remember writing a paper on the ending for an ethics and technology elective in college back in like 2003. It was more about the war on terror and controlling the narrative online and in media.And >treat it like a memeWell, a meme doesn't have to be a joke. MGS2 is about memes in the scientific sense, the ideas and morals humans pass on to each other.
>>220534014>algorithmic feeds, synthetic culture, AI-curated identity, and information overload.See also Serial Experiments Lain.
What happened between MGS1/2/3 and PW/4/V? I'm assuming he fired a translator or co writer because the writing went from somewhat nuanced to in your face verbatim nonsense.
>science fiction novels said speculative shit 100 years ago>becomes cliche>no1curr>a video game said the same thing 20 years ago>"zomg they're like Nostradamus, our toys are secretly genius works of art!"
>>220534967That critique is fair in isolation. A lot of cyberpunk warned about media manipulation long before MGS2.
>>220534825That is the actual differentiator. MGS2 wasn’t merely “technology bad.” It specifically described:information filteringselection pressure on truthmemetic propagationdigital identity constructionnoise saturationAI-mediated consensusIn 2001, before:modern social mediarecommender systems at scaleinfluencer economiesalgorithmic feedsgenerative AI
>>220535175not to mention 1984
>>220535189Exactly. That’s why I think reducing MGS2 to “technology bad” misses what made it unusual.The game wasn’t predicting smartphones specifically — it was describing a system where information itself becomes curated, filtered, and recursively reinforced by digital networks.In 2001 that wasn’t mainstream discourse yet. Especially not in a AAA game.
>>220534967I don’t think MGS2 is unique because it “predicted the future.”I think it stands out because it framed information control as the central mechanism before algorithmic curation became normalized online culture
>>220534967This. Lots of old scifi that goes over this exactly. Not as old as some stories, but the original Ghost in the Shell's AI was a news media manipulation program that gains consciousness. It is quite literally an algorithm designed to keep the public fed whatever propaganda/narratives it's programmed to. It's a small part of the story, but important.
>>220534014Why mgs3,4 and 5 had such dogshit writing compared to 2
>>220534014Kojima tried to warn us but we ignored him, so he just shrugged and now spends his time banging B tier celebrities. He won.
>>220535445MGS2 was philosophically coherent. 4 was fanservice and exposition, 5 was unfinished and fragmented. Great gameplay doesn’t automatically equal strong writing.
>>220535458The scary part wasn’t AI censorship. It was the idea that people would eventually prefer comfortable, pre-filtered narratives over reality itself.
>>220535189and MGR told us about memes making America great again
>>220535189Kojima is connected man. I'm not even sure he's a real guy, and not an actor they have out there, playing the part of the superstar game designer.I'm convinced.The whole drama around him being fired from Konami, and there was evidence the whole time he never actually left Konami. Something weird was going on there. They've got him acting out little storylines, for god knows what reason.
>>220535501wasn't some of that in Brave New World too? plus the6vhad thebpopulation drugging themselves into comfort and compliance.
>>220535501He was right. It's truly terrifying how these algorithms only try to feed you with opinions you agree with and insulate you from what you disagree with. How can we resolve problems if we can't even talk about them because we are so polarized and never hear the other sides opinions?
>>220535525MGS2 predicted the system. MGR predicted the people who’d celebrate it
>>220535536I don’t think Kojima is literally an actor in a manufactured narrative. I think he’s just unusually good at identifying the direction culture and media systems were moving in before most people noticed
>>220535542Huxley was already warning about this in Brave New World — a society kept passive not through force, but through comfort, entertainment, and chemical escape
>>220535565He was right. What scares me most is how algorithms increasingly feed people only the opinions they already agree with while insulating them from disagreement. How do you solve collective problems when everyone lives in a different informational reality?
