James Cameron throws in the towel!https://variety.com/2026/film/news/james-cameron-make-avatar-4-half-the-time-two-thirds-cost-1236751011/
>>220541431He's gonna pay the actors less.
>>220541431he's like 70 years old give him a break. probably realizes he's got a limited amount of time left
breaking news: someone wants to make more money faster
>>220541431>finally brings in a character i want to see more of (varang)>series endswhys this so hard if these flicks make billionsthey should have plenty of money or people putting up the money to make more billies
>>220541431HE FOUND A WAYhttps://deadline.com/2025/04/james-cameron-use-ai-cut-cost-filmmaking-1236364940/
>>220541431>half the time>2/3 of the costsounds like enshittification has arrived to Pandora!this used to happen to anime all the time. The animation got progressively worse as the series progressed
>>220541554>james-cameron-use-ai-cut-costThe franchise is SAVED!
>Avatar: $2.9 billion>Avatar 2: $2.3 billion>Avatar 3: $1.4 billionOn the one hand $1.4 billion is still a lot of moneyBut on the other hand that's a Star Wars level "we don't wanna see that shit anymore" declineI don't think anyone's ever happy to make less than half as much money as the installment from 15 years ago
>>220541579>this used to happen to anime all the time. The animation got progressively worse as the series progressedIf a show has 100+ episodes was it really any good in the first place?I'm more disappointed in shows that START looking like shit which happened around 2016 with dr stone, dandan and attack on titan.
>>220541608>I don't think anyone's ever happy to make less than half as much money as the installment from 15 years agoDon't forget inflation
>>220541608He should wrape it all up in the next one and retire.
>>220541431There will not be a 4 and cameron is gonna die soon and his legacy is fucked by the 3rd one being dog shit. Rest in piss cameron
>>220541638>If a show has 100+ episodes was it really any good in the first place?Nice strawman except this happened with series as short as single-digit episode counts.>I'm more disappointed in shows that START looking like shit which happened around 2016 with dr stone, dandan and attack on titan.Another nice strawman except for the fact that shows have looked like pure shit for many years at this point and therefore don't count since shit shows like those can't suffer from enshittification.
>>220541431WTF is even the storyline in these sequels? Heroes get captured, escape, get captured, escape? Climactic battle scene? Is anyone even into this?
>>220541431>how to do that
>>220541960>WTF is even the storyline in these sequels?More whales!
>>220541608the problem is that 3 just felt redundant. He completely fucked up the story. He should have focused more on the Ash people instead of just repeating parts of Avatar 2. Did we really need yet another scene of Quaritch taking Jake's family hostage?
>>220542019Yeah, I don't think people are tired of Avatar. It's just 3.
>>220541431What the fuck does Avatar need more movies? Its the same repetitive shit
>>220541960mexican families is what I heard - you dont have to follow any dialog
we could be on the fifth Alita movie by now if he hadn't cucked himself
>>220542428LOL
HELLO?????????
>>220541431So 8 years and 600 million for both movies ? Should be possible
He should spend a few millions to hire a writer.
>>220541554>>220541589Ring it up.
>>220542001>More whales!
>>220543836LOOOOOOOOOL
why the fuck is he obsessed with this shit series. Is he crazy. What a goddamn asshole.
>>220544452It's the AIDS, he has AIDS!
>>220542019>He should have focused more on the Ash people instead of just repeating parts of Avatar 2Unfortunately James Cameron only cares about water. It is his fetish.
>>220544452It’s just an excuse to make more water visuals.
>>220541990HELLO SAR
>>220541554First James Cameron used Ai to ruin Aliens and True Lies, now he’s going to use Ai to ruin Avatar.
>>220543836>The American reeducation efforts on Pandora were a wild success
>>220544598You lost, art tranny.
Old people should retire, sorry not sorry
stay strong lads
>>220541797>strawmanLet's settle down on the s-word buddy. I've only seen 20 or animes which is more than the average bear but less then the average anon. I wasn't trying to get a cheap gotcha.
AI is really good at generating Na'vi so may as well.
>nearly 20 years>still no cultural impact
>>220545942Not at all, look at this pathetic excuse for a tail >>220543836
>>220541510So he spends it making a Billie Eilish documentary? He’s off his rocker.
I spend most of the time in these movies trying to spy nipples
>>220546043
>>220541672>career ends trying to milk a franchise that he'll never finish, while disgracing himself as an artist by promoting AIslop and using AI to enshittify his actual classicslol what is he thinking
>>220541431focus on Neytiri sex scenes
>>220543890GET OUT OF MY FUCKING CHOCOLATE FACTORY
>>220545809Understandable and I apologize for jumping the gun. Have a nice day/evening.
ZEROCULTURALIMPACT
>>220541510Clint Eastwood was/is still directing flicks in his 90s though?
>>220541431I don't understand why Avatar couldn't have been a traditional trilogy. James seemed to decide arbitrarily that it was going to be 5 movies, but with how similar the second and third movies were; you can see the ideas were already spread thin for the sequels.
>>220541608That’s a “Disney stacked other movies against it” “level decline.”
>>220547683He wanted to make three more but the second got too big so he split it and now we get 5 instead of 4 movies overall. He also stated the third one (now 4th one) is the one he always wanted to make and the script of the last one apparently was the most liked by the Disney execs involved
>>220541608I think the bigger shock for Jim and Disney would have been the $844 million drop between Avatar 2 and 3, only 3 years later. That's probably how much they actually spend making and marketing one of these movies, so it is a lot of money to them, even though $1.49B still seems good.
>>220541638>dandanbut the first episode does look good though? Maybe I just don't watch much anime but I don't see what you mean.
>>220541608>I don't think anyone's ever happy to make less than half as much money as the installment from 15 years agoNot only that but Avatar was released at a time when people still bought and rented DVDs, so its home media sales would have made big money too.
>>220541431James Cameron should use AI
>>220543836>>220543890pic related>>220541608To be fair, 2 and 3 were produced co-currently, which allowed them to save a lot of money since there was no turnaround time.
>>220541431Whatever happened to Avatar-anon?
>>220541658Third movie should have been the end of a trilogy. And if people were truly clamouring for more then he could announce a new trilogy in a few years, which could have been the scripts that were written for Avatar 4 and 5.
It’s funny how these movies just utterly enrage the terminally online. As the movies prove the terminally online are not a meaningful demographic. So no matter how much the terminally online scream, people just go see and enjoy the movies.
>>220547856Anon light storm is an independent film company.
>>220544468Ai derangement syndrome
>>220542593I’d be happy with just a sequel.
>>220548112LOL
>>220547754The only thing I've heard about the 4th or 5th movie is that apparently the Navi (or one of them) go to visit Earth? He should have done something like that for the third movie to make it stand on its own and not feel like 'Avatar 2: Part 2'.
>>220548065Yes but Disney owns the rights to the Avatar franchise and distributes the movies, you think they don't take a cut of the box-office?
>>220541431Last time he just copy-pasted the 3rd act from the 2nd movie.Will the new movie have 2/3 of whale bullshit?
>>220541431It's not failing. He's gonna explore AI generation. He did this before with 3D. Lucas did this even earlier with computer-controlled tracking cameras and models.
>>220548198They do not own the rights
>>220547916>To be fair, 2 and 3 were produced co-currently, which allowed them to save a lot of moneyThey started filming the sequels in late 2017 and didn't finish until early 2024, I doubt they saved much money if it took that long.
too bad james is obsessed with his fucking blue creatures and wont do more action kino. sad!
>>220548278It’s James’ time and money bro. He’s got more than he can spend.
>>220541990>Can a robot ever admit it's mistaken?
>>220541554>movie about saving the planet>use planet killing technology to make it
>>220541431Less tea breaks?
>>220548360No if you catch them not knowing something they just start making shit up.
>>220541431now hang on faggotameron you have to bring varang back
>>220550366I've been eagerly awaiting the next Dougla Douglass project.
>>220550366>TIPPI HEDRENThat’s real.
>>220550366based dougla
>>220550366I'm sorry I know we're supposed to laugh at the Douglas thing (or the mispellings under Melania Griffith's family)But did you really just ask it "Hey Skynet give me a bunch of celeb families) and it came up with photos of them and everything?We all remember like three years ago when it could make nothing except dogs made out of eyeballs, right?
>>220550598Blow it out your ass, Tippi.
>>220541554For what it's worth, if there's anyone to trust to use AI well in movie making, it's Cameron. Whatever other faults there are in his films, he's proved to be good at using technology to create good visual effects.
>>220541431>NAVI ARE IMPORTANT!>Takes a sip
>>220550741I just want the machine war I was promised in T2.
>>220550598>that pictureThat's the funniest fucking thing I've ever seenI'm crying like Mike did when that lady had emphysema
>>220550741lmao
>>220546078>now let's use the 3D cameras for the chest areawtf i love Cameron now
>>220541514But she is coming back. She's said to wear a cloak made of navi ponytails.
>>220548279Avatar 4 is 50% set on earth. That's how James is saving money. Making the cast be all human for half the runtime.
>>220548214Avatar 2 and 3 were originally the same movie. They feel the same because they used to be the same.
>>220550774The funniest summary I ever heard for the Avatar franchise is that it's about a guy called Jake who travels to various tribes and subverts them into fighting/dying for him. He's done it to forest people, water people, wind people and even whales. Jake has gotten an obscene number of navi and human killed by the end of the last movie.
>>220541990Kek based retard
>>220550832based and DNR pilled
>>220547754In case you didn't know from his interviews, James Cameron is a staunch environmentalist. He believes humans are killing earth and wants to make movies that say this is bad. Avatar 4 is the culmination of that, because it will show earth dying.>>220548160The basic plot is that it starts on a polluted earth and the new main character does shit there as word arrives of things going bad on Pandora. There's lots of propaganda about how the navi are savages that massacre innocent humans. Main character joins the next wave of colony ships heading there, prepared for war. They arrive, of course learn that the navi aren't so bad, and the story ends with a piece of Ewa being sent to Earth so that Earth can be healed and the humans don't have to all come to Pandora.
>>220541990can a robot eat spaghetti?
>>220550832
>>2205420193 makes 2 redundantThey really should have just left 2 and 3 as one movie as originally intended
>>220541431AI slop coming in red fucking hottt.Search your feelings, you know this to be true.
>>220541554Kek, knew it.The sloppening is inevitable. The tech is simply too good for too cheap. And it's only getting better.
I still havent watched 3.I watched 2 for the first time today and the story just felt so mediocre and stupid.>Jake says a father must protect his familySo he immediately runs away from the sky people who he knows are technologically superior and relentless. As if the Na'vi stand a chance and literally only won last time when everyone united and Eywa literally sent the whole planet after them>Jake has 3 kids + adopted magically pregnant sigourney weaver babyThe kids are all completely blank slates except the 2nd son and Sigourney who just has the force powers>Quaritch has a human son who lives with the na'viFirst thing the kid does is go around and help his dad burn villages and kidnap children despite being raised as na'vi. He barely puts up a fight beyond "no stop dont do that". He also arms the moral-less marines by giving them their own flying dragons>Movie finale. Older brother saves family after they got kidnapped. The dumbasses GO BACK ON THE BOAT to get kidnapped. Dumb ass sigourney weaver baby lets the 4 year old girl convince her to go back to get kidnapped againSo fucking stupid. Is the 3rd one ANY better
>>220546794Avatar 3 made me realise that Neytiri is fucking insane. She just wants to kill children.
>Avatar 1Neytiri proud warrior princess falls in love with human. Has to fight between tradition and changing times>Avatar 2Neytiri is just there doing nothing until the end of the movie where shes upset her son died>Avatar 3?????????
>>220547349VARANGISSEXO!!!
>>220541554No surprise. Boomers love AI slop almost as much as jeets.
>>220552103You luddites used to say the same thing about CGI, which also started out shitty. But AI is engoodening all the time, and surely a guy like Cameron is the one to make it perfect for the big screen.
Why does Avatar 4 and Avatar 5 need to exist?
>>220547720What other billion dollar franchise had a new release anywhere near avatar 3’s release?
>>220552209It's funny you say that because from James' POV, it's 2 and 3 that didn't need to exist. He already told the message he wanted to tell with 1. 2&3 were just for money.It's 4 and 5 and James says are the ones he wants to really tell again. It's going to have a big environmentalist message.
>>220541431He should just make an Eiffel 65 movie already
The franchise desperately needs characters that can make the case for humanity, but it's not going to happen. James Cameron has already decided that humans are in the wrong.
>>220553451There is no case for humanity though. They had their chance and destroyed their perfect, pristine planet and overpopulated it. Now they want to ship out billions of browns to destroy any new pristine worlds in a fraction of that time. They're a menace and consume all like locusts.
>>220553485>Krypton had its chance!
I mean. Based on the behind the scenes of shooting the other avatar movies they hardlt build any fucking sets.So if he can legitimately just figure just how to streamline the process (same way it was actually much easier to film avatar 2 than the first)Then shouldn’t the be able to make it cheaper?Half as much seems optimistic in just a year but he can’t really wait a decade, the actors are liable to die
>>220552251>James saysLet's not forget that Jim Cam says a lot of things. He has gone on record saying "THIS is the real Terminator 3" since T3 came out. That's T3, Salvation, Genisys, and Dark Fate. So yeah, I'm not holding my breath for Avatar 4 and 5.
>>220541431He's gonna use AI. AI chads stay winning
>>220541431>ZERO CULTURAL IMPACT
Slop is evolving to the process line. He should just prompt the entire schlock and use that as the "avant garde" selling point... because I doubt many will be wooed by the same CGI shit for the fourth et al. time.
>>220554486I would be surprised if Hollywood hasnt already snuck in some AI shots here and there even before the public roll out of AI agents.
>>220552209ESL detected!
>>220542321How is Avatar Two the same as Avatar? Everything about Jake's family and the water tribe is new. Same thing with three, there's the ash tribe, the wind traders, spider becoming part na'vi, etc. They're pretty different movies. Three doesn't even end with an eye shot.
>>220541513What the fuck???
>>220542019The reason why it's so similar is because 2 and 3 were originally one movie, or more like movie and a half. He split them and crammed the missing parts full of filler
>>220541431What's the point in investing in all this tech for 2/3 if it's somehow going to be as or more expensive to produce
>>220541431Cameron is such a fucking fraud lmaoImagine giving money to these retarded boomers
I wish he'd go back to stuff like Terminator. Not Dark Fate. Like, hire a competent writer who knows the lore from T1/2.
>>220555444He's such a hack. Just knowing the Avatard franchise you'd never think he was able to push out absolute BANGERS like Terminator
>>220555461Avatar 1 isn't that bad. It didn't need the sequels at all, though.
>>220541510He’s spent over half his career making three Avatar movies
>>220552251>2&3 were just for money.I can think of a lot better ways to make money for James Cameron than spending 13 years making one movie.
>>220555759>He’s spent over half his career making three Avatar moviesMental illness.
>>220541431let's say he figures it out, he makes his movies, his vision is realized. What then? Does something profound lie at the end? A final piece, a final scene that'll make us cheer "I understand now! The Art is complete and the saga has become timeless!" ?
Looking forward to Jim’s portrayal of an Earth that can build antimatter factories and lasers to push starships but can’t mine asteroids, build O’Neill cylinders or space solar. Hope the pedal power rickshaws bathed in neon lights make a comeback! Worldbuilding!
>>220555948bodied that freak
>>220541554People only watch Avatar for the visual spectactle, if you resort to AI slop the entire appeal is lost because AI gen looks like dogshit.
>>220555444>I wish he'd go back to stuff like TerminatorHis ego is driving him to make one huge movie epic like some Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter shit so he can go down in history.
> The ISV Venture Star (and similar Interstellar Vehicles) from James Cameron’s Avatar film series require an astronomical amount of energy that dwarfs current global energy production thousands of times over.> During its initial acceleration out of the Solar System, the Venture Star does not just rely on its onboard engines; it is pushed by a massive, beam-powered orbital laser array centered near the Sun. The power required to run these lasers peaks at around 100 Petawatts (PW). This single laser array consumes thousands of times more electricity than all the power grids on modern Earth combined.Maybe if they used some of that energy on Earth they could have battery powered vehicles instead of peddling rickshaws?
>>220541431Just give me 3 hours of Varang being hot and sexy. I don't give a shit about the Sully family and all that crap
>>220556521She's ugly
>>220541431based.the impact is going to be off the chart.
>>220541431Well yeah isnt he like 80? Not much time left
>>220551921>Is the 3rd one ANY betterNo it's genuinely a terrible movie
>>2205416083 was a better movie but both 2 and 3 are so redundant that if you extended the run by like 30 minutes you could easily make them one movie and lose literally nothing.
>>220542019i hate that fucking reddit takeavatar 3 story was fucking goodpeople are just fucking retarded, factually
>>220541431He's scared of having to depict the Rock Tribe. Due to their very environment they would practice things which are frowned upon by other Na'vi, like consumption of meat, wearing animal hides and furs, possibly even learn to make black powder and pitch for weapons like crude grenades and flamethrowers
>>220541431Gonna bet this nigga will “revolutionize” the industry with ai slop.
>>220556521the people want Neytiri being happy, cute and hot
>>220552149AI shilling is pathetic
>>220541431Loaned money is catching up
>>220541554Wow maybe part 4 will have a storyline that isn't boring trash
>>220557415LOL
>>220541431Lol at that headline. This is like stores putting up a sign saying "we've installed security cameras (or some other overpriced, ineffective 'security' gimmick) to keep prices low. obtw, we raised prices to pay for the cameras...on to the next gimmick!"
>>220541554Ah fuck I swear I hadn’t seen this when I predicted it. It’s obvious though. Jamie is a tech whore and Hollyhews pursestrings are the same retards who will give 100 million to a shoe company that say they’re doing AI.
>>220557358THISDark times for kino ahead
>>220548360Yeah, it'll say "oopsie poopsie" after nuking all your emails.
>>220541554He found it over a year and a half ago. There was zero chance this wouldn't happen.https://stability.ai/news-updates/james-cameron-joins-stability-ai-board-of-directors
>>220558625This is like "I trusted the microwave not to turn on when I put my kid inside it and somehow it did and now everything is ruined, the microwave makers are at fault not me though".
>>220558625>Hey, AI, what should I do with all these old emails that should probably be deleted but I haven't yet deleted?Are you people really this stupid? I prefer actual intelligence.
>>220558693She isn't blaming the microwave makers, to be fair, she says she's the one humbled. Testing it on a toy (dummy) inbox was a good (if obvious) thing to do, but there was probably a way to set up the email access to be read-only so it didn't fuck it without permission."Compacting" is when the AI compresses the conversation and whatever it's reading when it goes ovee the limit of the context window (max input size basically). Since the compression is lossy, it will inevitably forget some things, ideally not crucial information like "don't delete anything without permission" (not shown).
>>220558795>No. You see, THIS is how AI really works.
>>220559045bodied that freak
