>Girl Boss kills Agamemnon in Troy>Somehow this isn't woke
>>220557732Were you there?
>>220557732Clytemnestra was just taking revenge because Ag performed human sacrifice on their daughter. What she did was perfectly valid.
>>220557750Based
>>220557750his death mask is proof of that
>>220557732Man that flashback episode of Succession got weird
>>220557787>dude, this actor was in this other thing too xd
>>220557779Been a while since I read the Odyssey, but doesn't she kill Agamemnon because her and her lover wanted to take power?
>>220557779This is from Troy, where he is killed by Briseis
>>220557779ancient greeks were so misogynist they believed she was in the wrong for killing her husband instead of herself
>>220557779That's not Clytemnestra. Rose Byrne played the Trojan priestess Briseis
>>220557818but she is an obvious amalgam of briseis and clytemnestra you cant expect a 2 hour film to cover every single story arc thats why ajax is killed by hector
>>220557732Why are blacks so violent?
>>220557750Yes
>>220557816>>220557818>Agamemnon killed by BriseisMan, Troy was so retarded
>>220557732i want Brian Cox to choke me like this bros :(
>>220557897t.eurovision watcher
>>220557732Troy was a incredibly bad movie, only remembered for the fight scenes.
>>220558082>only remembered for the fight scenes.One fight scene*
>>220558082Troy (2004) is the perfect proof that “correct” casting, and proper armor don't make a movie good. The movie is still mid as fuck outside of like four cool battle scenes.
>>220557732Better than what actually happened where he came home and got killed by his bitch wife lmao
>>220558111Brad Pitt's performance was considered a disaster when the movie came out. In fact, a lot of the cast was unable to emote properly, especially Orlando Bloom watching his brother die for example.
>>220558111Don't forget the movie even had an acclaimed director, the dude who directed Das Boot, and it still turned out to be shit.
>>220558139Agamemnon performed child sacrifice on his own fucking daughter, he deserved worse.
and as usual the "best performer in shite movie" award goes to
>>220558166I've often thought that. As a kid I was just delighted by how well the Iphigenia story worked out; still am.
>>220558200That's another issue I have with people who complain on casting, is it's often at the bottom tier of what makes a movie good. Plenty of great actors and acting in shit films.
>>220558200Based. He effortlessly mogs Brad Pitt's acting.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP45RxY11mc
Troy was great.
>>220557732>greek tragedies are written like telenova slop>this is somehow woke's fault
>>220557813There's no single canon of the mythology, but the Odyssey portrays her as being seduced and led astray (in contrast to Penelope) but later retellings by tragedians and poets focus more on the revenge angle
>>220558265Achilles was turned into a lovestruck simp just so women can self-insert as someone who tamed the beast.It was a bad movie.
>>220558286>Greek tragedies get rewritten to appeal to modern sensibilities>this is somehow the Greeks’ faultNigga Agamemnon survived Troy and was onnly betrayed by his wife when he got home
>>220557732>normiehood is liking Diane Krueger because she's hot as Helen>boyhood is thinking Brad Pitt is hot as Achilles>adulthood is realizing Eric Bana is hot as Hector>Goonerville is wanting Brian Cox as Agamemnon to choke you and spit on you as he breeds you>Enlightenment is acknowledging that Rose Byrne is the only one in the cast that's still attractive in 2026
>>220557732Troy did Agamemnon dirty, in the Illiad he's a mighty warrior who slays countless Trojans, comes up with brilliant stratagems, and loves his soldiers and his people. Also Diomedes erasure is inexcusable.
>>220558368"Only", saar.
>>220558386>Diomedes erasure is inexcusableIs it bollocks. In the same position I'd be dumping that little bitch of a Sue as well.
>>220558386>Troy did Agamemnon dirtyhow, by making him look like a visionary instead of a grasping shitrag?
>>220558386It could have been worse.He could have ended up like the King of Sparta and get gutted by some dishonorable asshole like Hector within the first few hours of the seige.
>>220558386I like Chadomedes in the book, but what does he add that others don't do better?
>>220558144And both actors have since made no secret of the fact they didn’t even want to be in the movie
>>220558387Getting called “Saar” and “glowie” all the time on this site as a white guy has really opened my eyes to how schizo conspiracy theorists are.
>>220558442Fanservice for queers.
>>220558200Supposedly walked out of the premiere within fifteen minutes, talking loudly about how the kraut who directed it was a clown
>>220558368>betrayed by his wifeHe performed human sacrifice before going to battle. He literally sacrificed his own daughter under a false pretext. Does that not count as betrayal?
>>220558468>“Ugh, what a disaster. The director, that kraut, what a clown he was. When it was all over, I watched 15 minutes of the finished movie and then walked out… At least I had one good scene.”kek
>>220558471Calm down, Madeline.
>>220558471bluh bluh "muh country" bluh bluh
>>220558492I dunno who your eceleb is but I accept your concession.
>>220558471The gods work in mysterious ways.He kind of was working with nothing, but trying to read the tea leaves here.
>>220558503She wrote feminist books about Circe and gay Achilles
>>220558532OK
>>220558471Why are you busting my balls? She still betrayed him, even if he deserved it.
>>220558559I'm bustin' beans ova hea!
>>220558386Been a while since I read it, but I remember that we get a bad impression of Agamemelord in the early parts of the story. He's an egotist who insists on asserting his authority over Achilles, and in so doing, he alienates his best soldier. A lot of Greeks die because Aga has lost the support of the Myrmidons. Later we get heroic scenes of Aga rampaging across the battlefield, but ultimately we're supposed to sympathise with Achilles and view Aga as an overbearing prick. That's how I see it, anyway.
>>220557732>Woman Moment: The Movie : The VideogameWhat else did you expect?
Theatrical or director's cut? the sacking was way more brutal in the DC.
>>220557732it's a dogshit moviei hate the fact that you'll have >people pretending it was some forgotten underrated masterpiece of a gem because of the new dei trash by hack nolan
>>220558486Boomers were something else
>>220557732>Girl BossI wish you people were at least consistent with your bullshit.
>>220558593Achilles got super pissy because Aga took the best war trophy as his fuck toy, after Achilles already called dibs. The entire shit show started because of a woman.
>>220558666it was because Chryses prayed to Apollo to get him his daughter back. but yes
>>220558666It was not so much about the woman, but rather Ag deliberately taking Achilles' glory away from him, that would hurt any warrior's pride.
>>220558637Peter O'toole said that and he was from the silent generation you uncultured swine.
>>220558750Nah he's somewhere in between. He was too young to serve in WW2, which means he can't really be qualified to count as silent generation either.
>>220558200Maybe I'm misremembering, but Vincent Regan was underrated in this movie. O'Toole just blows the rest away, of course. Kruger, Bloom, and Pitt were all terrible, don't know if Bana was especially good as Hector either.>>220558486Based
>>220558761Bana was pretty good. I don't think Bloom was bad in this either. People sometimes confuse unlikeable character to being bad acting.
>>220557817the strength of ancient greek drama and epics is in the fact that they were willing to show natural character behavior regardless of their morals, something that most ancient cultures and even shakespeare basically didn't do
Why do they keep making Helen a whore instead of a poor mind controlled woman?
>>220558760Anon, that IS the silent generation. The ones who served in WW2 are called the greatest generation, because they defeated the nazis.
>>220558760Nah, he's from the silent generation and no amount of mental gymnastics on your part will change that.
>>220558824touché
>>220557813She and the lover kill him because he sacrificed their daughter and brought home a ho and a bunch of bastards, and she didn't want to hand power back over to Aggy after all his bs.
>>220558805Because a conflict where one side is in the wrong from a judeochristian perspective wouldn't be as interesting to us as it would be for the ancient greeks and their my god is stronger than your god version of morality.
>>220558609Didn't know there was a dc and wound up confused and burned out when I finally checked how much waa left, only to find it was 4 long hours and I was 1.5hrs in. I still watched it, and I like the inclusions. Not sure I'd want to watch a theatrical cut even though it's 4 hours of mid instead of 4 hours of nonstop kino just because I love when they fit as much as possible in from the source.
>>220558828can't believe I have to wait until i'm fucking 90 for all the boomers to die out
>>220558666Just like the Trojan War itself....>>220558715This, it was king's right vs best warrior's right to his prize, it was an insult and meant to put Achilles in his place even though he was the only reason they had war victories and trophies at all.
>>220558853>my god is stronger than your godBut the Greek gods are also the Trojan gods. It's not a clash of religions: the outcome is decided by the whims and caprice of these fickle deities as they act out their Olympian soap opera.
>>220558805>poor mind controlled woman?There's the whole Aphrodite thing, but then she also walked around the trojan horse pretending to be the wives of some of the achaean warriors to see if anyone was hiding inside and get them to come out.
>>220558805Hey, we don't know Nolan's plans yet. But mythology the women are accountable like men, and Helen eventually comes to realize that the war is entirely due to her selfishness. As a demigod, she has some hubristic flaws that she struggles to overcome since she's used to floating through life thanks to her powerful daddy, similarly to Achilles who's instead obsessed with his legacy. They struggle to relate to the common man up until a point.
>>220557779not in the homeric version of the story. in homer she is just a whore who took a lover and then helped him kill her husband.and even in later retellings like the oresteia, which includes the "revenge for iphigenia" angle, she is not really meant to be "in the right" unless you read the story with a modern feminist bias. no matter what he did, it's not a woman's place to dispense justice and kill men; to a greek that was unnatural and gross. nobody's really morally "right" in the story, the whole house of atreus is just cursed because their ancestor tried to feed the gods human flesh.
>>220558971I watched a could of videos of the woman who did the translation they're using. She's a british hag who throws around words like colonialism and patriarchy. I don't think female accountability in greek tragedies was on her radar.
>>220558953>>But the Greek gods are also the Trojan godsThere's still division of patronage for city states and that's made more than obvious with which gods are team trojan and which are team mycenae. The greeks wouldn't analyse the story in terms of which god was more virtuous, but instead focus on which one was strongest and picked the best champions, so they wouldn't have a problem with being pro-Hector just because Approdite and Paris brain raped Helen.
>>220558990>not in the homeric version of the story. in homer she is just a whore who took a lover and then helped him kill her husband.TFW Aeschylus was a leftist woketard jew revisionist
>>220558990>to a greek that was unnatural and gross.If it was so unnatural and gross, audiences of the time would've rejected it and authorities would've censored the story. It's clear that Homeric writers were willing to believe that it is something a woman would do and therefore natural storytelling.
>>220558386>>220558435>Menelaus getting killed by Hector >Doesn't get reunited with Helen cause dead>>220558789Admittedly don't remember as well about Bana, but Orlando Bloom's performance was flat. Paris could have been unlikable with a better actor and it could have been fine.
>>220558789This is Paris' face when he watched Hector die
>>220559074He's pretty but he cannot act
>>220559041retard
I don't think I'm the only one who basically stops watching the movie after Priam's mission, the last part of the movie is just bad
>>220558111Pitt is not a good Achilles.
>>220559074This is a good expression for a clueless nepo prince who just realized he fucked up beyond repair.
unironically love the notion that the ancient greeks were some kind of tradfasc authoritarians who brokered no criticism of their leiges and powerful menfucking medea completely emasculates jason and kills his children, then gets away with itantigone publically defies creon out of adherence to gods' laws above the law of man, and though she dies she is vindicated by creon's misfortuneyou can't seriously fucking believe that I'd need to have a "feminist lens" to interpret these works in that way
>>220559106his eyes are barely open, man, he hasn't realised anything
>>220557787Reddit is that way sir
>>220559114The notion that they could even practice modern morality in the bronze age is just completely absurd
>bitch gets away with everything because she's super hot
>>220559106he looks like he's going through the kids' menu at maccas
>>220559142Pretty privilege strikes again huh
>>220559041no, you don't get it at all. in the aeschylus version both agamemnon and clytemnestra transgress what's natural for their kind, agamemnon by acting like a god and clytemnestra by acting like a man, and both are ultimately punished by death.
>>220559097That's where the film should have ended, just like in the Iliad.
>>220559161yes, I do get it; you're just using the word natural incorrectly, as in "going against the order of things in the world" rather than "what people do on a daily basis", which have a significant overlap including for the ancient greeks
>>220559142Helen isn't really that much of a unlikable character in the Iliad, and as to deal with Aphrodite's bullshit for most of it. She only gets turned into a deceiving whore by poets and writers who made Iliad fan fiction.
>>220559142Human psychology has barely changed in thousands of years.
>>220559205>In the Odyssey, she circled the trojan house and made sexy greek female wife noises, torturing the men inside to the point of madnessHomer also wrote the Odyssey, are we doing death of the author for the first author in western history? Also how did she do this rofl
>>220559142>simping is at the foundation of western civilization.kek
>>220558200>a british actor with 10 years of training at the Royal Academy, 20 years of doing stage plays 6 nights a week, and the star of over 100 movies is better than an american guy that starred in a pepsi ad when they were 12well duhh
>>220559234The Greeks were dishonorable scum who used trickery and deceit to win a war that they were already winning. They deserved it.
>>220557732How exactly is she a girlboss? iirc she spent most of the movie as a sex slave.
>>220557732he sacrificed their daughter
>>220559270>she spent most of the movie as a sex slaveShe didn't know her place
>>220559266>romanboo has entered the chathow is that parthian campaign going bro?
>>220558532She looks like it.
>>220559235So is cuckoldry and the fear of cuckoldry
>>220559302Most of her pictures she looks like chudjack, but in a couple she looks really cute
>>220557732
>>220559378What the fuck is Artemis's problem?
>>220559341She looks like she flicks her bean to yaoi hentai
>>220559378Based wifejak for once.
>>220558486>British Pakistani playwright Hanif Kureishi states in his memoir that O'Toole told him "The only Paki I ever liked was Omar Sharif."
>>220559433As far as I remember, Artemis didn't come down and ask for the blood of his daughter. It was a priest or prophet who told him he will need to do it for a safe journey.I really don't get why his wife killed him for it, since it was custom to listen to the people who are supposed to be messengers of the gods.
>>220558803sure, if you ignore all the>now Zeus hated that guy so he possessed him to be an asshole in front of his guests so they get mad and killed him because Hera possessed them and made them see him as a monster or something which a lot of these stories have
>>220559634That's exactly why he was responsible, Artemis didn't order him to do it. He was offered a deal and he took it, he's the one who made the choice to kill his own child.
>>220559652media literacy was still in its infancy at the time, you have to cut them some slackMedea summons a winged chariot out of nowhere ffs
>>220559114so what you say is basically "the gods, who are risen above anything and anyone in creation, can do whatever they want based on their whims"how is that not trad-fash? might makes right
>>220559751because trad fash also means the gods will immediately put all the women in kitchens and all the men out on epic military parades to complete the trad aestheticbut in the illiad, the gods just play games, and aphrodite's degenerate champions have similar power levels to athena's. the greeks only win the war by trickery and feigning defeat. you don't have the right to assign trad fash to every authoritarian concept in history out of some post-hoc narrative
>>220559652everybody already does that, nobody counts divine possession as a phase in a character arc anon
>>220558332The Iliad doesn't mention the sacrifice either.Just throwing it out there.
>>220557732Did you girl boss too close to the sun?
>>220558486>>220559630What an absolute lad.
>>220559074Most of the actors were so bad at emoting. O'toole acting circles around the rest of them make him look bad by association, like he's hamming it up.
>>220559630Omar Sharif was not even a Paki, he was Arab. Arabs consider people from South Asia vastly inferior, even muslims.
>>220559074Not nearly as bad as Brad Pitt trying to act upset while asking where's Patroclus. It's painful to watch how bad it is.
>>220560591Brutalhttps://youtu.be/n8j4DkNF48Y?si=qBKpyfm6D6yD6x_m&t=454
>>220557884based
>>220560653It took real restraint not to use this as the soundtrackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VJ1NuAbEBI&list=RD0VJ1NuAbEBI&start_radio=1
You kikes can stop running cover for the Odyssey disaster now - we're onto you
>everyone mention O'Toole>no love for my boy Nigel Terry as Archeptolemus
>>220557732>thinly veiled Odyssey coverup threadTsk tsk tsk
>>220560653>WHAT'S IN THE BOOOOXIs even worse. Pitt's just not good. It's insane some retards say he's a character actor in a leading man's body. He can't emote for shit.
>>220557750based ridley
Wait if Helen just gets seduced by Paris what was the goddess contest version from?
>>220561034from the simpsons (homer)
>>220557732Greek mythology had a lot of women kill men. typically with poison and other devious means.
>>220560868Admittedly I've only seen the movie once, but I had no idea he was even in that. Granted, I didn't develop an appreciation for Excalibur until years later.
>>220560994Yeah, his best roles are pretty much just him playing a cool guy like tyler durden and cliff booth
>>220560804Troy was a bad movie, no matter how good looking the people and aesthetics were.
>>220560868I only just remembered that Sean Bean is Odysseus. I guess that's a good enough reason to rewatch even if I remember the movie just being bad overall.
>>220558200Go watch O’Toole in Rogue Male right now, it’s on yt
>>220558082By today's standards is bready good >>220558111But somehow better than 99% of big budget Hollywood movies made today
>>220562590This sort of post-hoc film critique should never be taken seriously>this thing was bad but the things that came after it were even worse
>>220562676Yeah sure that's all well and good, but that doesn't change what movie I'd rather watch.
>>220558990> the whole house of atreus is just cursed because their ancestor tried to feed the gods human flesh.This is why Paul Atreides has a hard life 28,000 years later
>>220557732tranny thread
>>220557750kek
>>220557787kek
>>220562776I know it doesn't, you don't need to be defensive about it.
>>220562849>you don't need to be defensive about it.Fuck you I do what I want.Also I never claimed that it was a good movie. I simply said it was better than modern offerings.
What happened to Bana? I thought he’d be a bigger star
>>220562923Sure, no need to be petulant about it.
>>220562988I am done talking with you.Also I withhold my concession.
>>220562967give him time
>>220563005You. Are. Loved.
>>220562967He got plenty of oppurtunities and nobody really cared for him
>>220561034greek myths are self-contained in their own timeline, never take them at face value all together. For example:Odysseus planned the Trojan Horse so he was there for the sack of Troy but Achilles died before the sack but somehow Odysseus was surprised to see him in the underworld. But all this comes from 3 different stories with varying canonicity
>>220559040what the hell are you talking about? In Elektra, Clytemnestra is shown to be in the wrong for both killing Agamemnon and marrying off Elektra to a peasant. Only when Orestes comes back home they enact revenge against their mother and her lover. Afterwards Orestes leaves his home because it was a rightful but abject thing to do.
>>220563189Doesn't Google rank this list by popularity or engagement or some similar metric? How is Star Trek 09 so low? Those movies were so popular back then.
>mom finds a new lover and kills dad for killing my sister>the gods order me to avenge my father or I will face their wrath for not honoring him>kill mom and her lover>the gods send devil-women to torment me for killing my mom because parents are sacred but /pol/ told me only the Judeo-Christian desert jew god is irrational and petty, not the based pagan ones.....
>>220563519>>the gods order me to avenge my father or I will face their wrath for not honoring himHow come the gods did not order him to avenge his murdered sister iphigenia?
>>220563519The gods are multiple different people with their own motivations and principles. Sometimes you did something for one god and were put on another's shitlist for that very action.
>>220558609Theatrical because the score was made for it and the extra scenes are like Ajax throwing Trojans on spikes.
>>220563646greeks were gay fags, that's why the romans demolished them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdv3vkECqXA&t=1665s
>>220557813yes but not exactly. He is of the House of Atreus which is cursed to suffer. In Odyssey he is seething that she killed him while he was eating his dinner. Like he cannot believe the disloyalty to kill a man eating
>>220563967Based
>>220557732name of girl?
>>220564003briseus
