Michael was the greatest musician since Mozart.We count ourselves profoundly blessed to have walked the earth as contemporaries of Michael Jackson, witnessing the radiant fullness of his grace, artistry, and transcendent aura during his earthly peak.into Your hands, O Lord, we commend the soul of Your servant, Michael; may perpetual light shine upon him, and through the mercy of God, may he rest in eternal peace.
>>220558762He was a kid fucker
>>220558762don't compare a nigger to mozart ever again
>>220558778damn just like the potus
>>220558793Very topical >*clap clap clap*
>>220558778>>220558787shalom
His music was absolute ass.
>>220558809you're a nigger
>>220558810sorry but you lost.
>>220558826you gotta problem with that rabbi?
>>220558873yes, get off my porch, monkey
>>220558762Did he even play an instrument? Good entertainer but no
>>220558762He was even better at raping children, maybe the best ever? He did it almost openly and still got away with it, to several children as well. That's crazy.
>>220558762Wrong, Thom Yorke is a far greater musician than Jackson ever was, and his musical legacy will accordingly live far longer and be more influential. However, Yorke is ugly as fuck and dances like a spastic.
>>220558850Drake's music is popular too but it's still garbage.
Pedo n*gger is burning in hell as we speak, forever reliving that Pepsi accident. Glad he offed himself.
>>220558809>>220558873shalom
>>220558762>greatest musicianNo, nowhere even close>greatest dancerNow there you might have an actual argument
>>220559164Everybody gets assigned a handler at a certain level of fame. Doesn't mean they go along with it.
>>220558945Dude Radiohead has like 10 genuinely amazing songs, I'll give you that, but even their biggest song (which is Creep) barely comes close to any of Jackson's weaker hits.
>>220558762He was just a performer not a composer.
>>220559395His best friend was jewish movie director Brett Ratner, who was also in the Epstein files. He was friends with many jews and pedos.
>>220559501If there's one thing I've learned it's that when someone is really desperate to smear a person, they start blaming them for the behavior of others.
>>220559020>n*ggerLeave, immigrant.
>>220558762Real talk-as a singer he was one step above the actor who plays Steve Smith in American Dad. And this nigger(MJ) couldn't even play an instrument and most of his music was at least co written by others. Whereas even if I'm not the biggest Mozart Fan he could play piano at 5 and was writing symphonies at 17 and youngerYou're free to prefer Wacko's music over Mozart but Mozart was several order of magnitude greater than MJ who I don't even consider to be a music genius or even one of the best musicians of the 20th century
>>220559529Could Mozart dance?
>>220559548Idk probably in a very formal 18th century way
>>220559514No need to do that when Wacko was so obviously guilty of buggering boys himself. But it's weird how many sexual deviants he was openly friends with.
>>220559548Dancing is for niggers.
>>220559576What is your theory about why they would investigate him so thoroughly but not convict him of anything?
>>220559576Having books/photos made for pedos in his bedroom, hanging out with kids all day in a house where there was pornography mags/movies all over the place, several people describing his abuse in detail. It doesn't get any more obvious without having it on camera.
>>220559615Didn't he settle out of court?
>>220559615Rich people using expensive lawyers to escape justice, that has never happened before, what a mystery. Especially in a crime like this where there is no physical evidence it will just never happen.
>>220559576isnt that webster
>>220559657He settled the first civil case out of court because he knew a criminal case was in the works and it could be used against him. There were multiple intense criminal investigations after that settlement.
>>220559664>there is no physical evidenceCan people be convicted based on only circumstantial evidence?
>>220559699And not one found anything. Try harder next time anonstein
>>220559710I don't know american law but I'm pretty sure that you can if it's considered overwhelmingly obvious. Which I think MJ's case is.
>>220559664The ayuwoki saved my shitposting career
>>220559732I never said they found anything.
>>220559782nice try rajeshstein
>>220558762He couldn't even play an instrument you stupid nigger lover
>>220558762Could MJ play any instruments? Mozart could play several.
Michael won.
>>220558762>only 3 good solo albums>first of the 3 was mostly written by someone elsenah
>>220558762Lol, not even close. Prince was of the same generation and mogged him at every turn and that's someone who is not particularly fond of Princes music
>>220559491this is false.on the BAD Album,MJ wrote and composed 9 out of the 11 songs all by himself.>BUT HE COULD NOT EVEN WRITE ON MUSIC SHEETS>HE COULD NOT EVEN PLAY AN INSTRUMENT.He beatboxed every part of the songs before production began.I'm not shitting you.he used his mouth as an instrument, there are several vidoes of his process on youtube, Im too lazy to link it.
>>220558762>Utterly disposable mass-market pop>Greatest since MozartDo consoomers really believe this shit?
>>220558778Does the fact that he's a pedophile automatically mean he's not the greatest artist of recent times?
>>220560300what did he mean by this???
>>220559529Not agreeing with OP, but saying someone is the "greatest musician since Mozart" is not saying that they are *better* than Mozart
>>220558778So was Mozart, yet I dont see people slandering him.
>>220561318chair wasn't supposed to slip
>>220558762His lyrics were terrible. The melody rocks, but I remember when a friend asked me to translate Billie Jean to him and his face of disappointment as I said what the song was about.
>>220558850Outside of a handful of 80's singles he fell off hard and even those old albums are a fucking slog. Truth is, his career was over when we all saw the "black or white" video and everyone was like "WTF is this garbage? Quincy stopped handing him instagold at that point.
>>220561136>Utterly disposable mass-market poputterly simply wrongmichael went beyond pophttps://youtu.be/7UoONw5ABpE?si=Mef7suPPYDkKP11m&t=23
>>220561136Pop people are like capeshitters. All that matters to them is sales data.
>>220558762eh, Prince was better
>>220561495At what
His life is a greek tragedy. You couldn't write a better cautionary tale about the dangers of molding a human into a superhuman only for the basics of his humanity to be ignore leading to predatory behavior to compensate. It was all enabled by his fame which his superhuman status granted him. It's really just an airtight horror movie plot.
>>220561483this is pop music anon.
>>220561510Music. Same period too. I like both but Prince's catalog from around the same time's just better imo
>>220558762I never liked his music that much.It's fine, but people wank this guy off so hard.I assume it's mostly because of the well produced music videos that came out with his songs.Half the appeal is his unique style and dancing.
>>220561535MJ's "Liberian girl" IS NOT POP MUSIC.It's a genre called Quiet Storm. I know you have never heard about it before.Quiet Storm is subgenre of RnB.the song also has some "Ambient , New Age" and some african "worldbeat" blended in.
>>220561483>>220561607lollmao
He made good music but raping children overshadows that, I can't listen to him without feeling disgusted and sad.
>>220561626you are dumb as hell.Here is similar songs to Liberian Girl's genre to expand your lens on music you stupid fucking idiot.https://youtu.be/Si_-a1Ct3Mwhttps://youtu.be/7s9VY9kqgfE
>>220561683he was innocent.shut the fuck up jew
>>220561726rofl
>>220561365He is saying he’s better than Beethoven though
>>220561745Why do you think everyone who thinks he's a pedo is a jew? That just makes you sound deranged. Which isn't exactly helping your side.
>>220561483>michael went beyond pop...into paedophilia
>>220558778Even if true, I don't care because he made amazing music. Break a few eggs to make an omelet and all that.
>Listen here bitch, IM RAZORFIST>I dress like a hard ass that rides a motorcycle>And stabs a Mexican to steal his fentanyl>but you better not say a damn thing about my homosexual pedophile black fancy pants dancing, theme park owning, friend Michael Jackson or else I'm going to find a 16 year old Hispanic woman to prove how much I don't give a shit about societal expectations put on men of society.
>>220560339Mj has a lot more than three solo records. I think Off The Wall was his fourth or fifth? It's weird, people just pretend those records he made as a kid didn't count and his career started with OTW.But yeah, no one's listening to anything before bad or after dangerous. But then I also kind of refuse to believe anyone's listening to Bad or Dangerous, that's like some Goofy Movie/McKids ass music.But then Thriller is all over the place musically, and let's be real, even the songs with a beat are just played out as fuck. So that leaves you with Off The Wall, which is a pretty good slick, pop funk album, on par with Billy Ocean or Chic (MJ fans don't actually listen to music so they have no context to compare his albums to, he's just so "magical" and "talented").So I disagree, it's more like one album and a bunch of commercial jingles after that. Certainly, the Mozart of our time.
>>220561130YO HE HUMMED A MELODY AND TOP LEVEL MUSICIANS WERE ABLE TO FLESH IT OUT!? I take it back, he was an unparalleled musical genius. But it doesn't end there, because then he wrote the deep and profound lyrics, which were about like... not littering, and being nice to each other or some shit. You MJ freaks can't even utter the name PRINCE because he sinks your entire "musical genius" narrative. Prince wrote, PLAYED ALL THE INSTRUMENTS on his albums and then wrote and played instruments on others albums which were also incredibly (The Time, Apollonia, etc). But his lyrics actually address adult themes and have substance, so his music baffles and eludes the chicken nugget MJ fans
>>220562772Why does everything have to be a contest? Both MJ and Prince were good. MJ was the more talented dancer, and Prince was the more talented instrumentalist.Throw away the /pol/ shit and pedo accusations for a second and just look at their work uncritically. I don't think anyone, not even the biggest racist, can deny they were both exceptionally talented artists.
Take it from an oldfag who was there. Wacko Jacko had earned his nickname by the early 90s. Dude was a tabloid freak show even before the first pedo accusations in '93 and already seen as a has-been from a decade earlier.
>>220562772Most of Prince's songs have extremely simplistic and often downright puerile lyrics
>>220563015although I'm not a fan of a lot of Prince's stuff he was at least normal and into women instead of 11 year old boys
>>220562675Good post but you aren't ready to hear this: Mozart wasn't that good.
>>220562876The changes in physical appearance alone were more than enough to make him appear to be a complete weirdo
>>220562772prince was great but was not a great performer like MJ.prince embarassed himself here in front of MJ, James Brown and the entire worldskip to 4:08he never recovered from this incident.https://youtu.be/zIU8TBJ7SYUm
>>220562876So what?What does MJ being a complete autist neurodivergent retard have anything to do with his genius performance and music?mozart was also autistic.99% of genius people are strange.but at least he was innocent.
>>220562829The thread literally starts out with a comparison of MJ being the greatest since Mozart. And sorry, but when someone tries to claim someone's a great musician because they "hummed a melody and beatboxed the song" to the actual top level musicians in the industry, then that does beg comparison to contemporaries who could actually, y'know, play the fucking instrument.>>220563015Prince is a "body of work" artist where no one song or line can stand in its own as particularly impressive, but if you listen to the lyrics album to album they create this kind of surreal unreality. The "puerile" element you mention is there, but really only in the broader context of the human condition. It's the "sacred and the profane" theme which obviously he goes back to a lot. Prince was a Joni Mitchell disciple, and they were both very impressionistic, evocative lyricists. A line like "ice cream castles in the summertime" for instance, is a perfect description of a temporary kind of love. But again, I think that opulent, flowery kind of language only has impact because it's so consistent throughout his work, you start to get into reoccurring themes and motifs and such.I bring this up because Prince, who was operating in a similar pop sphere to MJ, actually has some literary substance and a singular vision with what he was doing (which admittedly, isn't very obvious at first). With MJ you're working with like, 30 different songwriters an album and it's all just surface level Hallmark sentimental pap. Again, this is all to say there were people who could "do it all" if we're talking proper musical geniuses, and Prince wasn't one of them. He's truly more comparable to like, Madonna, the face of a brand, a product, than a real deal musician. Essentially I'm saying if you're going to put him up against other musicians on a talent level, I'm gonna need more than "he beatboxed the music to the studio guys."
>>220563055prince was bisexualmichael was 100% straight.jist cause michael was an autistic incel around women does not make him gay.There is plenty of straight retards like MJ on 4chan who are sexless.
>>220563667That was clearly intentional. You can see him preparing for it a few seconds before.
>>220563747>hummed a melody and beatboxed the song"You make it sound simple but MJ layered his beatboxing like accapela to imitate every single instrument that he wanted to be used in the songs.His mouth was an instrument. Not everyone can do good beatboxing, you have to learn it just like an instrument.his beatboxing was good enough for the musicians to emulate his vision so who cares as long as he got the idea across exactly how he wantedlearning an knstrument does not requiere talent anyway, its just a skill anyone can learn.
>>220563778if it was intentional that's even worse.I was hoping Prince was on drugs why would he embarass himself like that?
>>220563765You will live long enough to hear an ernest debate comparing the heterosexuality of two of the most queer presenting artists of the 20th century...I'll leave it to my goated hag:https://www.tiktok.com/@princebabygirl3/video/7521855758581992718
>>220558945Agree, but Johnny Greenwood is the real genius behind Radiohead.>>220559472This is one of the most pleb things I have ever read on this board. Congrats.
>>220558762>musicianHe was a performer
>>220564326If you call yourself a musician, but you can't read music, you are merely playing pretend.
>>220564326THEY cant accuse him of pedophilia anymoreso now they accuse him of not being a musicianyou can see clearly he could produce music in this videohttps://youtu.be/N82WlkQY9tI
>>220564386Jimmy Hendrix and Kurt Kobain could also not read musicfind a better argument.
>>220558778he was not.proven innocent during 20 years of prosecutions
>>220564463They couldn't, yet they still played an instrument, which is more than what MJ could do.Good music is good music, no one really cares about purity testing an artist's abilities at the end of the day, but if you invite comparison to different artists skill levels, you have to bring more to the table than "he danced good!"Like be so for real, MJ has access to all the resources in the world in the 90s and was free to express himself in anyway he wanted and he farted out new jack swing records that aged like sour milk. His shit's just not that interesting musically, regardless of his abilities.
>>220564463>names two rock guitarists>"muh pentatonic licks and power chords are real music"Thanks for proving my point.
>>220558762He slept with kids
>>220558762the jews killed mike because they couldn’t control him
>>220558778Bluepilled af
is little boy piss really that good?
>>220560191Yeah he played on Piano, Guitar and drums probably even younger then Mozart.
>>220561136https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ7qXHjxj_0He made much more then just pop anon.
>>220564697what to say to this bs even? So you need to specifically play guitar to be counted as artist now? Singing and dancing isn't enough already apart of writing songs?
>>220559736>>220559710Yes, but it's unlikely to convict alone in criminal proceedings. Especially if you're a wealthy celebrity that can afford a high tier lawyer. Civil cases are different since they have a lower standard of proof.
>>2205665533rd world Retard, attempt to keep up with the conversation. The thread begins with the premise that MJ is a musical genius, and had so much talent blah blah blah. Someone, astutely, points out that MJ couldn't even read music, which is too say if we're looking at musical genius, shouldn't that level of technical ability be taken into account? The counterpoint to that is to point out other accomplished musicians who couldn't read music. Fine, but they played an instrument still, which in terms of talent, musical ability, etc, if such a thing can be quantified (debatable, but that is the very premise of the thread, remember), that the artists who don't read music but can play an instrument are more accomplished than your emotional support pedophile.But again, I can't be surprised ESL MJ fans fail to apply basic analysis to the music they listen to, they're ride or die for the most chicken nuggy music ever made. It's like arguing with Wiggles fans.
>>220565153Don't knock it until you've tried it
>>220559020a woman wrote this post
>>220567572>which is too say if we're looking at musical genius, shouldn't that level of technical ability be taken into account?noA musical genius is someone who produces great music.How many instruments they play is not a factor.Jacob Collier plays every existing musical instrument but his music is garbage.playing guitar is not difficult.I learned it in 2 years.There are millions of people that can play the piano and the guitar, but only 1 mozart and only 1 MJ
>>220558762No matter what you thinkOP is correct.Michael's music is universal, global amd broke every barrier.From USA to Afghanistan to China to Cuba, people listen to his music everywhere.No other musician has achieved this.Not Drake, Not Taylor Swift, not Madonna, not Beyonce.only Michael, and Mozart.
>>220568786Okay, so then musical "genius" is an unquantifiable meaningless signifier. Great. Only one mozart, only one mj, only one Hendrix, only one you. This is actually a very holistic and healthy approach to art.So why are we talking about MJ and Mozart relative to each other? My not mozart, MJ, the bum playing guitar in the corner, some aboriginal yodeller no one's heard yet... there is, after all, only one of each of these artists, and thus they're all equally valid and meaningful based on your definition that there is "only one" of them?I'm not arguing against dismantling this qualifiers for significance in a musical heirarchy, or for the value of said heirarchy. But if none of that stuff matters why are we talking about MJ? Why are you arguing for his status as a genius? What qualifies him as a genius? Right now you're giving me "his music is good" (zero qualifiers there) and "he also dance." Okay, that's also George Michael, that's like, a lot of people. Countdown to a bunch of sales numbers because at the end of the day that's all MJ fans can really fall back on. They're brand loyalists, not music lovers.
>>220568786>only 1 MJdamn straight
>>220558937You're the one looking at a picture of a shirtless kid and imagining sexual things. Maybe the problem is you.
>>220568874And Beethoven.
>>220558762there is one thing that Michael Jackson never got praised for and excelled at compared to any other artist bug artist:no one has ever died in any of his concerts.many have fainted, but nobody has ever died. because of high trained Medical team: Jackson’s team anticipated the chaos. His tours traveled with his own medical teams, on-site first-aid tents, and heavily coordinated local ambulance services specifically to pull unconscious or crushed fans out of the barricades before fatal suffocation could occur.Michael himself personally financed these medical teams who always were there to immediately rescue fans.
>>220558778This is a gay bait thread, so FPBP. These zogbots will never figured it out even if its written on the wall
>>220569034you sound exactly like Salieri when Mozart was being called a genius.
>>220558762>musician>didn’t play a single instrument> all his best songs were written by Quincy Jones and Toto
>>220558778Give it up. The normies don't care anymore.
>>220558762>Michael was the greatest musician since Mozart.Nigger didn't even play an instrument. He had a good ear and could sing parts but he wasn't close to Mozart level.
>>220558762this nigga was carried HARD by quincy jones. anything after bad is basically unlistenable and even that record was pretty mid by itself. he was an alright entertainer but he had no musical talent whatsoever. he couldn't play any instruments, and he didn't write or compose any of his songs.chuds defending a black pederast because he supposedly called out le joos (he didn't) will never stop being fucking hilarious. yall tripping.
>>220561745His wife was jewish too
>>220570095>Caring what normies thinkTake your social media screenshot back to wherever you came from, tourist. Maybe the MJJcommunity forum is more your speed, if you really want to worship the dead pedophile.
>>220562675>It's weird, people just pretend those records he made as a kid didn't count and his career started with OTW. Cause they kinda don't. They count as his albums as much as much as Frank Sinatra's albums count as his own. MJ didn't do any song writing or production work on them.
>>220558762LMAO fuck no. I love MJ but he's an entertainer, not a musician. Prince, ironically, is the Mozart of our time and is someone who hasn't even begun to get his flowers for what he's done for music.>>220561510Hmmm let's see. He could play multiple instruments, he could write complex lyrics, he could produce his own music, he could protege other people to make them musicians, he made 40 albums, 3 movies, did 29 tours, and he has a big ass vault with enough music for 100 albums.
>>220563015God admires simplicity while a fool admires complexity. Prince was always a Pop artist but his lyrics have a hidden genius behind them. Not just with the simplicity, the innuendo, the unique but easy metaphors, recurring motifs like the number 7, but with the ability to take something complex and turn it into something simple.>In France, a skinny man>Died of a big disease with a little name>By chance his girlfriend came across a needle>And soon she did the same>At home, there are 17-year-old boys>And their idea of fun>Is being in a gang called the Disciples>High on crack, totin' a machine gun
>>220560191his voice is the instrument
>>220560300is him okay tho?
>>220561495i dont like him
>>220561829because thats what jews do, acussing others of things they (jews) do, to distract people
>>220563580his father bullied him calling him ugly many times, why he is the weird one and not the father
>>220559501well well well, looky hereI wonder who he learned it from
>>220559576what the fuck is above the heard board, certificates of child fucking
>>220559501
>>220573643they killed him because they tried to frame him into the paedo history but they couldnt lmao
>>220560339>first of the 3 was mostly written by someone elseFunny because this applies to both off the wall and thriller
>>220573739
>>220562772>Prince
>>220573739Can this change in appearance occur without taking hundreds of miles of black penis in your rectum
>>220573468im not gay but early 80s mj was like.. the only handsome black dude that ever lived. it was all over after '83.
>>220574005Do you think MJ and Jeffrey Jones ever linked up and shared their cheese?
>>220567572To be fair singing is harder than playing any instrument. If you were advanced in singing you would know
>>220558762he didn't even write many of his best songs.And his music was carried a a lot by Quincy Jones's state-of-the-art production and studio magic.Bangers like Billie Jean or Thriller would sound lame and uninteresting if done with just piano and vocals.
>>220574271Sure? Which is why it's so much more impressive when someone can both sing AND play an instrument, which MJ can't do (which was why singers who could play instruments on godmode were bright up to begin with). Hendrix could sing Billie Jean, MJ couldn't play a Hendrix lick.Again, the chronically uncurious just keep shouting about MJ being a genius, bringing up asinine shit like "using the mouth as an instrument" or whatever, while failing to explain how MJ is fundamentally any different than George Michael, Tina Turner, Mariah Carey, or any other pop star. If you take away the pop culture phenomenon aspect, he was fundamentally kind of... well, impressive obviously, but he didn't exactly reinvent the wheel in a way that I would qualify as "genius," or singularly unique.
>>220560339>>only 3 good solo albumsFor you.
>>220561472Yes, that's why black or white was number 1 for 7 weeks. Go back to the synagogue, Shlomo.
>>220558762>Michael was the greatest musician since Mozart.Man, this board has gone downhill
>>220563055Bro.. he was a gay niga.
>>220558762>greatest musician since MozarHe couldn't even play a single musical instrument, what the fuck?
Was Michael Jackson the most famous a single human being could ever be in the history of the entire world? Like that mf was bigger than anyone before or since, it's kind of insane
>>220569508>all his best songs were written by Quincy Jones and TotoWhich ones?
>>220571707>anything after bad is basically unlistenable and even that record was pretty mid by itselfYou have shit taste.
>>220574595>he didn't even write many of his best songs>Rock whit you>Thriller>Man in the mirrorWhich other?>Bangers like Billie Jean or Thriller would sound lame and uninteresting if done with just piano and vocals.>Bangers like Billie Jean or Thriller would sound lame and uninteresting with no musical productionCaptain obvious.
>>220575125>Alexander>Caesar>Jesus>Hitler>Michael Jackson
>>220558902Calling him a musician is like calling him a straight man that didnt fuck boys
>>220574883>Hendrix could sing Billie JeanHe couldn't dance it.
>>220559710Yes, they can. But not in California by a jury of star struck morons who are probably willing to let a pedo go, just for autographs or some prize money they wont declare to anyone
>>220575296>Which other?Baby Be MineHuman NaturePYTmost of the tracks on Dangerous and HIStory had other writers or co-writers>Captain obvious.really great pop songs still sound great even in stripped down versions.
>>220575125Fucking Madonna was more popular during her peak. She was able to parlay her singing into a movie career. MJ was just a joke, a punchline and had a freak factor after his peak. MJ only appealed to women, nogs, and the little children her pandered to. Madonna appealed to every man woman and child.
>>220575443>Baby Be MineWeakest song on thriller>Human NatureKino, true.>PYTAverage thriller song.>most of the tracks on Dangerous and HIStory had other writers or co-writers.Not true, History has the largest number of songs writed by Michael, and by Michael alone.
>>220561383>So was Mozart, yet I dont see people slandering him.Sourcd?
>>220575402Ah yes, the mark of great musicianship, being able to gyrate like a retard. I love getting live confirmation that MJ fans just aren't very smart. "Oh you single handedly reinvented the ways a generation approached a musical instrument while also innovating a myriad of studio recording techniques? Well, unfortunately you didn't grab your dick and wall backwards while doing it, so we'll have to dismiss all those contributions"
>>220575443>really great pop songs still sound great even in stripped down versions.But it still sounds good with a piano.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r4GMAESHiJo&pp=ygUdQmlsbGllIGplYW4gcGlhbm8gd2l0aCB2b2NhbHM%3D
>>220575510>Fucking Madonna was more popular during her peak.Only among homosexuals.Cope harder rabbi
>>220575587Also, I doubt Hendrix would be able to sing billie jean or most mj songs, his voice sucked.
You know Michael Jackson wasn't a pedophile because he isn't alive.
>>220575510Madonna is truly a genius at "Brand management," which is more of a fair field to compare MJ to than on musicianship. MJ fans have to kind of play this game where if you point out how weak he was musically they can go "yeah but he was so big, Thriller was a phenomenon!," which is true, but has more to do with branding and marketing than musicianship. Then when you bring up how tarnished his brand is (after they do a few rounds of blaming jews and sperging out about legal minutiae), they'll be like "but the music this, the music that." They want to have their cake and eat it too.Based Madonna fans know she's not a "real musician" and don't care. She created the blueprint for modern pop stardom and at the end of the day her bangers speak for themselves. She hasn't been relevant or made very good music since Confessions, but she can still pack out an arena anywhere in the world based on the strength of her catalogue.
>>220575510Thriller sold more than both her top albums combined, there are still MJ impersonators to this day all over, you rarely if ever see someone impersonating Madonna. She's not relevant and just a decaying husk.
>>220561495in the end Prince was the temu-MJ and everyone who disagrees can cope about it, i always suffered through Princes pretentious, meandering songs, MJ songs had way more spirit and energy to them.Fwiw i don't like pop music at all. MJ was still a master of a musician.>>220561515whats with all these kike-slaves parroting the ped0 nonsense accusations? is this thread being brigaded? who wants to shit on this great man this badly?You come to 4chan to escape the NPC mindset retard, not perpetuate it.
>>220575557They Dont Really Care About Us is a brilliant song and you can tell because the covers are also bangers.Beast in Black did a ripper of a cover of that track, they even used the word 'kike' without censoring it, i laughed hard when i heard it.>>220575380go back to your JlDF groomercord schlomo.
>>220575808>Beast in Black did a ripper of a cover of that track, they even used the word 'kike' without censoring it, i laughed hard when i heard it.I'll have to check it out
>>220575616If anyone turned people into fags, it was that homo Jackson. Madonna had boys whipping their dicks out in theaters to her in Dick Tracy. You must be gay as fuck to think the opposite
>>220558762He couldn't play anything, and had to hum his tunes to Quincy Jones for him to make them.
>>220575836>Madonna had boys whipping their dicks out in theaters to her in Dick Tracy.Has anyone been caught doing this? They have cameras in the theaters don't they?
>>220575836Men weren't listening to her songs, her being hot in a movie is different than her being a gay icon. Drag queens and trannies want to be her, but she didn't have much appeal outside of women and fags which is why her albums didn't sell like his.
>>220575836I was talking about her music. Faggot.
>>220558762He wasnt. Everything was done by Quincy Jones. Michael was a great performer though
>>220575869I'm willing to bet the 15 madonna studio albums have sold more copies in total than the 10 MJ solo records, especially is you can rope in Immaculate Collection since MJ has to hot shot History with a tacked on best of. It might be worth running the numbers since sales figures are all MJ brainlets can understand. She's definitely lapped him in concert ticket sales. Crazy what happens when you don't die (skill issue).I also love the premise that men don't listen to Madonna, as if rugged tough manly men are bumping Heal The World and Man in the Mirror at the gym.
>>220576053>the 15 madonna studio albums have sold more copies in total than the 10 MJ solo recordsnope
>>220575836her tits look massive here, is this some kid of illusion with the camera lens or the dress she's wearing flattening them out to make them seem so largei remember watching this shit and don't remember her looking this good
>>220576053Literally every single point you made is incorrect. Cope harder madonnafag
>>220576053>I'm willing to bet the 15 madonna studio albums have sold more copies in total than the 10 MJ solo recordsNo, you're retarded, even with a higher quantity of albums, she didn't sell more.
>>220576053>I also love the premise that men don't listen to Madonna>heterosexual menYou are just a faggot bro.>I'm willing to bet the 15 madonna studio albums have sold more copies in total than the 10 MJ solo recordsYou lost your bet faggot.>Michael Jackson sold 188 million studio albums.>Madonna 146
>>220575856Only one theater, that said you cant share popcorn
>>220575877Then I wasnt talking to you retard. I replied to an idiot who though Michael Jackson was the biggest icon in the history of history. Learn how to read homosexual pedophile lover
>>220575836>Madonna had boys whipping their dicks out in theaters to her in Dick TracyIf that was true Dick Tracy wouldn't have underperformed, it made money but much lower than expected (couldn't come close to Batman with a similar budget that year). People also went to the theaters for sex appeal more often in the 90s because porn wasn't as readily available. Madonna's whole thing is her just trying to be more singing version of Marilyn Monroe.
>>220576301You are still wrong. Madonna was never as big as Michael
>>220576070>>220576099>>220576118>>220576206I will take the L on this one, however, I do think it's worth noting the numbers aren't as far off as one might thinkLooking at the Wikipedia sales for OTW, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous, History and Invincible, we're at 190milIf you go madonna s/t though confessions, tack on Immaculate Collection (which is fair since History was hot shotted with a best of tacked on) and her three main soundtracks (Evita, Who's That Girl and Dick Tracy) you're at 177, which is at least in the same ballpark.In my defense, I didn't realize exactly how hard Madonna's flop albums flopped 'til looking at the numbers. But also that's crazy that 1/3 of MJ total album sales are some level of repackage or collection.
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Fun fact, MJ is the most famous person to ever have lived.
>>220576827Where is 1B>She's definitely lapped him in concert ticket salesKinda retarded comparison when MJ only did 3 solo tours (4 if you count Victory since his brothers were just glorified backup musicians) in nearly 3 decades after going solo
>>220558778Proof?
>>220558762OWWW!!!
>>220576974Nude photos of little boys next to the bed where he slept with boys. Stop the cope, look up Occam's Razor.
> FBI investigates MJ for years.> FBI barely investigates Epstein.
>>220562772Prince was an auto-didact like Bowie. Jackson had learned study and observation, whereas Prince just instinctively knew.
>>220576772The numbers are 100mil off. Being able to sell collections/best ofs so good doesnt speak against jackson
>>220563778Why would you inten to fuck up?
since the movie, the more I listen to his music, the more I like it. that is all.
>>220575076>uses sales data to prove point>im the jewHe was still going off his dwindling fame and managed to trick a bunch of nine year olds like myself to buy this garbage and even we could see it for disney show theme song garbage it was. This song is about as timeless as moon boots and you know it. Zero staying power but you defend it and im the kike ffs
>>220578171inten deez nuts
>>220577066I want to defend the guy but what justifiable reason is there for an man to possess such material? Maybe he didn't physically touch anyone but a guy owning stuff like this and having slumber parties with young boys just gives off insanely bad optics.
>>220558762>Michael was the greatest musician since Mozart.Beethoven and Tchaikovsky were both better than either of them.
>Number 1 at the box office>Number 1 on streamingLeaving Neverland sisters....our response?
>>220569034>Right now you're giving me "his music is good" (zero qualifiers there) and "he also dance."Still dodging the singing part, retard?
>>220558850His music is timeless. Something you can't say about other heavy hitters of the era like prince or queen
>>220563713So was MJ no matter how hard seething faggots try to pin the pedo label on him
>>220569296Huh, never knew that. Gives credit to the claims of his child like nature. Worried that nobody gets hurt because of him
>>220558850What the fuck else was it up against at the time that it didn't hit #1 back then?
>>220569077its like decades old shopped photo bro
>>220569034autism
>>220575557>Weakest song on thrillerWrong, The Girl is Mine is the weakest song on Thriller. Baby Be Mine is actually quite good
>>220569034Yeah, I'm kinda with you. MJ was no doubt gifted and immensely talented, but people are way too generous with the word genius when discussing music. When you look at how productive musicians like Bach and Mozart were, and how quickly and easily they composed such elaborate and profound music, as well as their ability to improvise fully realized works on keyboard instruments, it's downright intimidating to even a seasoned musician. The word genius is well-earned and appropriate for great minds like them. Musicians like MJ, Paul McCartney and even Prince simply do not compare, even though people like to label them as geniuses. Talented, yes. Gifted, yes. Genius, not so much.One could argue MJ was a genius performer, but certainly not a genius musician.
>>220558762and now he's dead and can't rape children no more
>>220571808It must sting knowing even normalfags agree you're a disingenuous cretin.
>>220579693hee hee!
>>220558762Damn Mj was cute there. I wish that I was a cute shota and he sucked my piss out of me. He He
>>220558762Has anyone ever tried to explain why Michaels last album Invincible was so mid?
>>220579757he was living in a painkiller-numbed haze at that point
>>220579661If you really want a modern musician who is comparable to Mozart it would definitely be that Dutch guy Arjen Lucassen famous for the Ayreon project. The complexity of his music and the his massive amount of creative output are basically unrivaled by anyone. That is a true musical genius
>>220579796Dave Mustaine from megadeth is one of the very very few musicians who were still highly creative AFTER getting stinking rich and successful, with a wife + kids etc. I'd consider him a genius, genuine success and satisfaction in life is the death of creativity for the vast majority of all creatives. Most people need suffering in their lives to motivate their creative impulses.
>>220579777Is that what made him think making a corny ass epic music video with Brando Michael Madsen and Chrid Tucker would sell his album. It was worse than that moonwalker shit when he morphed into a car.
>>220579757Pretty simple: no Quincy Jones
>>220575774You believe fake shit cause you read it here. You are the NPC. Literally programmed by this website to believe fake shit
>>220578797bruh there's like a dozen accusers, fym maybe he didn't? fact #1 he settled for $2x million in court because his lawyers didn't want him to go to criminal trial, why? the proof the kid saw his dick was overwhelming bad, he would've been bucked in jail. who tf settles for $20+ million with no proof? 300 pound gorilla in the room. (lawyer quote)fact #2 he had a bunch of porn, straight and gay, but most notably he had a bunch of child erotica that had nudity. fingerprints of kids and jacksons were on the porn mags btw. this porn was also all around the house, where the kids were frequent. fact #3 dude never had girlfriends and only married one of the world's most famous singer's daughter as a psyop to make everyone forget about his settlement (of which he claimed he was going to fight and win beforehand, LMAO!)fact #4 dude loved kids so much he told his rabbi he would DIE if he couldn't be around kids, this is a bit sus. he was constantly around little kids, notably he had an entourage of young boys always around him.fact #5 dude was a known drug addict, he loved demerol, bro couldn't sleep without being fucked up. even got some kids into it supposedly (fact #6 his kids aren't his, his 2nd wife was a surrogate. bro wanted to be white af, but loved to use his black victim card when he was in a pinchfact #7 he wasn't "cleared" he was found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, all of the previous evidence in 1993 of his porn and his settlement weren't allowed as evidence because of the retarded judge. so the jury was told they could only base their decision on the current accuser, the beaner avizo. his mom was a schizo and his brother star's testimony was apparently inconsistent afaik, mj had some high end lawyers who dismantled the prosecutions arguments in a jewish fashion. imagine not reading actual court documents and basing your opinion on some retarded tabloid explanations like a utter buffoon.
>>220579954you are soo far beneath me its surreal to even see a kike-slave like you call me a npc, stop projecting retard.MJ was always innocent, he doesn't fit the profile, Macaulay Culkin, the biggest pedo bait in hollywood history, who actually was abused by pedos, and spent loads of time hanging out with MJ privately, openly defended MJ and said he was not a kiddy fiddler.That is but one, of the countless reasons i was convinced MJ was innocent, stop being a retarded goyim dangling on the strings of evil masters who hate you, you're pathetic, you're beyond pathetic. You're literally dangling on the strings of actual pedos when you parrot narratives like this.
>>220579757No one wants to admit the whiter he got the lamer his music got. Sappy rejected Disney movie songs are a far cry from Thriller
>>220579955>fact #3 dude never had girlfriends and only married one of the world's most famous singer's daughter as a psyop to make everyone forget about his settlement (of which he claimed he was going to fight and win beforehand, LMAO!)nigger his ex-employees said he was straight as an arrow and had more than a few flings.Not to mention, he has like 3x biological children you dumb fucking kike-slave.
>>220579955in addition, he was only married to his wife for a year and she divorced him because he was too busy flying around the world with his little young boys LMAO!he's had a few settlements, 20+ million with chandler. 2.5~ million with a maid's son (he testified at the 2005 trial). some mexican boy for 300k (not sure, think his name was david)650k+ for a jane doe, some girl. $3.x millon for each cascio kidthere's probably more settlements that aren't public but you cannot claim he was innocent.the only reason he wasn't guilt was because of his team of super lawyers and the retarded star struck jury. the jury foreman needed a smoking gun and testimony wasn't enough proof for him. some jurors also didn't like the beaner accuser. basically the jurors were mainly dumb whores who thought jackson would give them a crumb of his bbc. unfortunately he only liked bussy.keep coping though about it's da jooz or whatever though, his group was filled with jews. fucking starstruck nigger loving pedo sympathizers. i cannot IMAGINE how cognitively distant you have to be to think he was innocent. lol, lmao even.
>>220580102what shitty groomercord did you get all this horseshit from? you haven't addressed anything, you've debunked nothing, you've used an AI to regurgitate your lies, added your own subhuman spin on it, then ignored all the mountains of evidence to the contrary.>>220575808>>220580026>>220580053debunk these or kys, explain why two of the most infamously abused kids in hollyweird, both were friends with MJ and openly defended him, they're bigger experts than even me, and especially you, on who is or isnt a pedo, they were raped by them. Don't be a retarded, gullible kikeslave your entire life goyim.
>>220580053lol keep coping dumb cunt. tmz got the documents about his kids, they don't even look like him. his ex wife said she was a surrogate, are you legit fucking retarded? this is known knowledgeit's not even worth arguing with you retards, your lust for a dead nigger's bbc is too immensefunny how you disregard the rest of the facts.keep praising your dead nigger pedo you fat fucking pig.
>>220580168t. poo kike
>>220580168>resorting to antisemitic lieswe're done here
>>220580053posting a picture of him with donnie zogbot while screaming kike is fucking hilarious
>>220558762The guy did help write his songs, but he also had legions of songwriters helping him.
>>220580182>tmz got the documents about his kids, they don't even look like him.you absolute subhuman gorilla nigger, you're willing to take the word of TMZ, a goyslop gossip news station with zero credibility, over the testimony of actual abused hollywood kids who defend someone accused of pedophilia? For the actual human beings ITT who want to actually dive into the details of the scandals. Here's a beat-by-beat debunking of every lie the evil, retarded kikeslaves ITT peddle.https://youtu.be/6pnoQqlygQs?si=rboWfUPn51s8Zyoh
>>220580304epstein was photographed with every celebrity in hollywood prior to ~2004, MJ wasn't on the flight logs to pedo island, and so long as nobody draws a link to him and epsteins weird ranch in the US desert, these photos mean little.
>>220558778even if he was he earned the right to fuck some kidshe was michael f jackson dammit
>>220580216>>220580227cringe.
>>220577066OMG! How do I get a refund on my tickets?! I dont want his pedo estate getting any more money to use to silence his accusers!!
>>220579083What's to dodge? Are you really propping Michael up solely on the basis of being a technical singer? That's actually so bagflingly stupid I didn't even consider it as an option.Like, obviously he was a talented vocalist, and his voice was versatile enough to be molded into the larger pop product his producers crafted, but like...Opera exists, you know? When that level of technical ability exists any pop singer, even the ones who are obviously more technically skilled than MJ, like Whitney, Celine, Mariah, etc, is kind of moot from a pure skill level.So if we're not talking technical ability then it's personal taste, so who cares. Personally I'd rather hear Curtis Mayfield, Bill Withers, Stevie Wonder, singers with actual grit and emotion in their voice than all that tourettes "hee hee" nonsense.
>>220580227LOL!
>>220578797>what justifiable reason is there for an man to possess such material?they're all photography books. it's kind of like calling Andrew Loomis' 'Figure drawing for all it's worth' a porn magazine because it contains nude human figures
>>220583201>Opera exists, you know? When that level of technical ability exists any pop singer, even the ones who are obviously more technically skilled than MJ, like Whitney, Celine, Mariah, etc, is kind of moot from a pure skill level.I love Mozart and classical music in general, but the way opera is performed today is very different from how it was in Mozart's day, and unpopular among the masses for good reason. I personally can't stand it, and I literally study classical music. Singers like Whitney Houston are unironically more impressive. Believing that modern day opera is by default the highest form of vocal performance is a case of entirely unworthy elitism.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26tarW4K7vU
