He lost his sympathy points when he got tangible proof Nikki was in Hell and still got pissy when she momentarily regained control and begged him to kill her.

>>220565095
Yeah, no. No man that attractive (no homo btw) would ever obsess over a chick, men are hunters, and the more suited they are for the hunt, the more prey they catch. This has feminist slop written all over it.

>Reddit is
Redditors aren't human and therefore all opinions from them can be safely disregarded

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if reddit thinks something, the opposite is usually true

>>220565095
How could he have raped her if it wasn't her?

>>220565095
he's a selfless rapist

>>220565137
I don’t know, man, I had a distant relative who was an extremely attractive dude and totally head over heels for this lady, they were in an on-off toxic relationship for about 10 years before they had a really bad breakup and he killed himself. NGL dude looked like the diet version of Chris Hemsworth and was a certified pussy magnet in high school before he met this chick in college. I never met the guy but a bunch of my family knew him pretty well and said he was a great guy, really charming and funny but after his death we discovered he was on antidepressants and shit for at least a decade and constantly threatening suicide/writing suicidal notes that he would hide or dispose of (allegedly the girl he was with knew nothing about this but I think that’s total bullshit). Anyway, my point is is that people will surprise you, and sometimes the people with the most on paper perfect lives can actually be the people who are most fucked up in the head.

>>220566770
Redditors think even looking at an attractive woman IRL constitutes rape.

>>220567008
No one is buying that, at most he was killed by a pack of rowdy teens and his keked family fabricated suicide notes at the behest of a certain NGO

>>220566770
I mean it's her body right? He's using that for sexual satisfaction.

>>220567041
I hate reddit and that shit opinion. It's up there with retards being upset with age gaps.

>>220565095
He's innocent initially. The wish was a silly joke from his perspective so I don't think there's any suggestion that he did anything wrong for the first few days/weeks/however long the montage was supposed to be.
Near the end, where he has no doubt that there's a magic curse involved and she's begging for death and he replies with something like "is being with me so bad", it feels like he's well beyond "awkward coward" and more into irredeemably evil territory. But the point where he crossed the line isn't clear since her craziness ramps up gradually and I'm sure that's deliberate.

I can't remember whether they have sex after he knows that she's literally possessed. That's definitely rape if so.

>>220568108
I don’t think it even occurred to him until late into the film that Nikki literally wasn’t Nikki. For most of the film he believed he literally rewrite reality to make her love him and was just acting strange.

It’s all magic bullshit but I wouldn’t say he’s a rapper because he believed she truly consented to him.

>>220569101
Doesn't he not sleep in the bed right after she has her first freakout? Ultimately him rejecting her pleas to kill her is his ultimate bad guy move because he's actually obsessed with her. He's definitely going along with this because he gets her and id say it's rape by wilful ignorance.

>>220565095
RT says this is a Cregger like movie. Is it? Cause Barbarian was alright while Weapons was great. This looks dull.

>>220565137
Very indian opinion

>>220565095
Ive only seen 1 trailer for this movie and know nothing else about it. This movie is totally just a metaphor about toxic masculinity and men = bad, isnt it?

>>220569399
Honestly, this movie is viscerally scary if you're afraid of people doing weird shit. If the idea of running into a monster in the woods at night scares you less than the idea of walking in the woods at night and hearing what sounds like an adult male meowing like a cat in the bushes does, then this movie will freak you out. I don't really have an easier way to put it.

>>220570097
Yes, it is. You're not allowed to have a loving yandere wife

The thing I didn't understand about this movie is why she acts so fucking weird. I'm not talking about the yandere murder obsession stuff - that makes sense within the bounds of the wish, but she just does fucking weird shit that doesn't make any sense within or beyond the scope of the wish. Why does she act so nightmarish that one night speed-walking backwards into the corner and walking around weirdly with the flowers? Why does she move and act so bizarrely in a way that's barely human? Why does she just randomly fucking scream in ways unrelated to her original self breaking through? Why does she stand silently pissing and shitting herself smiling until he gets home? Why does she feed him the cat?

The wish was that she would love him more than anyone else, and that does explain some of the yandere shit but it doesn't really explain why she acts like an actual demon sometimes. That's not part of the wish, nor is it a logical monkey's paw.

>>220565095
>reddit

>>220570375
>Why does she act so nightmarish
maybe it has something to do with nikki trying to regain control?

>>220570375
>Why does she stand silently pissing and shitting herself smiling until he gets home?
because le men don't want life partners they want dogs, or however the millennial journo churns out slopaganda

>>220565137
>no man that attractive
hold it right there. We can't tell how tall he his from OP's image

>>220565095
He deserved everything that happened to him before and after getting offended over Nikki telling him to kill her. What a fucking pathetic loser

>>220570608
That makes sense with the "panic attacks", but not with the general creepypasta behavior. There's no real reason that the real Nikki would act like a weird demon who does freaky shit when he see her exclusively try to kill herself or freak out getting Bear to kill her instead when she's actually lucid.

>>220569399
it's FAR better than weapons or barbarian

>more "le lonely white men are a threat!" propaganda
Not watching this shit

>>220570147
I mean, I'm usually the one making animal noises...

>>220570375
She acts like a demon for the same reason real Nikki is in hell: the guy on the phone is Satan

>>220565095
>Reddit is calling
Yeah they want you back

>>220565095
>>220568108
Yeah I think he started off normal (but flawed) but gradually went crazy as realized this situation was spiraling out of control, then went off the deep end when he took no action after realizing real Nikki was trapped and suffering.
So like he'd probably have lived a non-evil life if this didn't happen, but the events of the movie led him to commit an evil act.

>>220570097
No, there's definitely something in there about abusive BPD girlfriends too
But if you're in this thread then everything was spoiled for you

>>220567008
I think you're lying

>>220572545
Where did you get this from, and where do people keep getting the idea that she is literally in hell? My understanding from the movie is that she was screaming because she wasn't in control of her own body and was going insane, not that she was in hell.

As for the phone guy being Satan, that doesn't really make much sense either. The Wish Willows seemed to genuinely work for some people, his buddy got his billion dollars and some reviews online were positive. He just wasn't careful what he wished for.

>>220567008
She probably murdered him or had her new bf do it

>>220573625
>where did you get this from
The fact that the phone man has easy access to her makes me think she's in two places at once, trapped in her body and trapped with the phone man. Maybe not in hell but in his dungeon or something.
Satan giving him a billion dollars just to further torment Bear is in character.

>>220570375
only being capable of loving him is a literal demon

>>220572059
You’re over-literalizing it. The wish didn’t just crank her affection stat to 100, it hollowed her out and replaced the driver. Whatever’s puppeting her only understands the *instruction*, not the person. So when Nikki pushes back you get panic attacks/suicide attempts, and when she’s suppressed you get this uncanny valley automaton trying to approximate “loving girlfriend” based on broken data.

The backwards speed-walking, the flower shit, the random screaming - that’s the mask slipping. It’s like a skinwalker running on corrupted firmware. It doesn’t know how to be human, it just knows “LOVE HIM MORE THAN ANYONE.” If that means smiling while covered in piss waiting obediently, or presenting him with the cat because he once mentioned he liked tuna, it’ll do it.

Monkey’s paw isn’t just irony, it’s excess. He didn’t wish for *her*, he wished for a concept. So he gets something that enforces that concept with zero nuance and zero humanity. The creepypasta behavior is the point - he didn’t enhance Nikki, he replaced her with an algorithm that thinks demonic over-commitment = romance.

>>220573699
I think the phone man is just some supernatural entity and she's in a Get Out-style sunken place inside her body. Probably much closer to a Djinn than Satan.

>>220573983
Oh that's a great point anon, I like your interpretation.
I really like the movie because it's scary on 3 levels:
1. Surface level spooky stuff
2. The human level (rape(?), exploitation, BPD, etc)
3. The ambiguous level (what depths of suffering is Nikki actually going through)

>>220567008
+1 updoot!

having sex with her body after he made the wish is rape

>>220573705
>AI babble
opinion discarded

Why would wishing that somebody would love you more than anyone else, send that actual person to hell and replace it with a demonic entity? Whole premise is retarded. Also the whole thing is just shitty "lol white people evil incels and shiet" bait. Notice how this type of movie would never be made with a black male as the main character because the social programming can't portray black men as unsuccessful in love and resorting to pathetic means.

>>220574793
>Why would wishing that somebody would love you more than anyone else, send that actual person to hell and replace it with a demonic entity?
Because that's metal as fuck
>rest of your post
Bait

>>220574818
>i have no actual retort to your points but here's an attempt at denting them
ok

>>220570147
>an adult male meowing like a cat in the bushes does,
what's weird about that?

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>>220565095
Oh interesting perspective that's unique coming from reddit you dont usually see them saying stuff like that. Thanks for making a thread about this OP, it's better when it's talking about reddit instead of just making a thread based on your own thoughts of the movie.

>>220574793
>send that actual person to hell
This never happened. Nikki is clearly trapped inside the body like the black people in Get Out, she isn't literally in hell.

>>220575135
Ummm having to date a not chad is hell

>>220575135
She's trapped in the genie's pocket dimension

>>220575176
If that was the case it wouldn't make sense for her to talk through the body when the entity isn't conscious. She is trapped in her own body like a passive observer, like being fully paralyzed but puppeted. Enough to make anyone scream.

>>220575242
The pocket dimension is inside her.
You know I think there is a mental illness out there that makes people think they are going through this. Like, that they no longer have control of their body and have lost all free will

>>220574791
all of the internet is ai dumb stupid asshole.
if you have a smart phone YOU'RE USING AI YOU DUMB SHIT

>>220575303
Geez calm down
That post was obviously written by chatgpt, it has all the marks. It's rude to post ai generated content without labeling it as such

>>220575293
I think we are basically saying the same thing here. She is trapped in her body while the entity controls it. I don't know what people are talking about when they say she's in literal hell or where that came from.

>>220565095
Whatever reddit thinks, opposite is true

>>220575357
Well I think there is another level to her being trapped since the entity on the phone was with her.
Certainly a hellish ordeal.

>>220575410
I don't think the phone guy was physically with her. Whether he's a Djinn or just some wizard or even some guy working at the company run by one of those entities, I think it is much more likely that he was just able to connect the "inner Nikki" to the line like a magical switchboard operator

>>220575464
Either way, it's a great movie for having so many different possible interpretations. A lesser script would have made it a normal demonic possession that needs to be defeated in combat or exorcism

>>220565095
i want to fugg him please let me fugg him please

A white male having penetrative sex with a cis white female is always rape under patriarchy

>>220575527
it's not rape if the guy is handsome.

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>>220575527
>white

>>220568108
>>220569101
>>220569158
>>220565095
How is he a rapist when refusing to sleep with her puts his own life in danger? He's being raped by a demon, you can't consent to demons.

>>220575551
She’s white they just gave her a poo name

>>220575575
Her father is Mexican

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Am I the only one who felt really bad for her?

Not Nikki, obviously it's pretty easy to feel bad for her - but for the entity inhabiting her body? I think it's easy to read it as being malevolent or evil but honestly several times throughout the movie the weird skinwalker Nikki kind of gave off the impression that it was just as much a prisoner as OG Nikki was, albeit in a different way. When she talks about how when he's gone she just goes cold and empty, when she says that she's trying her best to act like Nikki, even just the fact that until Ian broke the illusion of the cancer dad thing, she was seemingly completely normal including doing things that Nikki would do for some extended span of time at which point the entity started to freak the fuck out and overcorrect to the extreme presumably out of the fear that she'd go back to that dead zone state if he left her or stopped caring.

I think that the Nikki entity is pretty sympathetic in its own right if you think about it. It does monstrous and downright freaky shit but it's also scared shitless and its shown to be perfectly capable of acting normal and socializing when it's not in the middle of its own mental breakdown. By no means am I saying "I can fix her" because she's a weird fucking thing, but she's essentially a terrified child facing what is more or less death of she fails at the goal of acting like Nikki and losing Bear. The lines about what it's physically like for the entity when he is gone, and the way she does actually at several points let him go somewhere or agree to let him go somewhere reluctantly (even if he feels bad and relents and takes her) indicate some level of rationality to the creature and recontextualizes her obsession as a literal survival instinct rather than yandere love or anything

>>220575589
Like Louis CK?

>>220573699
maybe 'satan' gave the man the billion dollars freely, with no strings, because he knew it'd reel in dozens of other suckers?

I don't like horror movies generally, but the premise here is starting to interest me.

>>220575600
I actually wonder what would've happened if Ian didn't tell Bear about her dad. She really did seem pretty normal until that moment, with a hard pivot into insanity immediately after. Would she have just seemed normal? She seemed to maintain all of her personality traits and hobbies until after that point.

>>220575600
There is no “entity” inhabiting her body. She is not possessed. This isn’t complicated so I don’t know how so many retards misunderstand such a simple concept

He wished for Nikki to love him more than anything/anyone in the world. This is just the wish making her do this while she reflexively tries to push against it. It’s not a fucking spirit or demon or entity. Just the idea of loving him above all manipulating and suppressing her normal thoughts.

She’s freaking out the same reason you’d freak out if for 23 hours a day you thought you loved some guy like he’s a. Gosh then you get brief moments of rebellion to shout about how freaked out you are

>>220575600
You're the first person I've seen with this opinion so far but you make a compelling argument. I was too scared of her to feel bad though

>>220565095
Women literally cannot be villains in the movie

>>220575658
She was literally being puppeteered in the final scene

>>220575293
true, its a sister-disorder to the transgender shit, a form of disassociation that encompasses their entire body, its a variant of schizophrenia.

>>220575303
stop posting AI slop to feel intelligent you mongoloid retard.

>>220575312
its rude to post AI posts on 4chan period, we're not here to interact with AI, we're here to anonymously interact with other HUMANS. The only reason to post AI responses here is to answer a question with a degree of authority.
IE: What car uses more fuel, or which film made more money at the box office worldwide?

>>220575697
Yeah, by herself you clown. I guess you’re underage and have zero experience seeing drug users

>>220575658
It might not be a literal demon/spirit/entity but it is clearly a split personality acting completely independently of the original Nikki personality, which is intact and held prisoner in her own body. Functionally, it might as well be a demon or spirit, because this new Nikki personality clearly doesn't really think or behave like a human being would and frequently behaves strangely while appearing desperate to "act like Nikki".

The original Nikki, when given a mouthpiece to speak, refers to this new personality as "her", so clearly they are distinct entities within the same body, regardless of its origin.

>>220575821
I don’t think you know what a split personality is. It’s not just your personality but affected by strong desires

>>220565095
Meh. This is just an extended Supernatural episode. Sam and Dean would’ve solved it in 44 minutes.

>>220575821
>The original Nikki, when given a mouthpiece to speak, refers to this new personality as "her", so clearly they are distinct entities within the same body, regardless of its origin.

You don’t think that Nikki, knowing even less than he knew about the situation, would interpret the situation as it seemed to her? She doesn’t have information she just has the bizarre feelings.

Good Lord you kids are stupid. You could pull up some quote from the writer/director where he confirmed this in like five seconds but you prefer your nonsense interpretation

>>220575851
Interpretation is way more fun and interesting than having the director spoonfeed me his intentions. I bet he'd love to hear our interpretations

>>220565095
>selfish rapist
What are some tv shows or films about selfless rapists?

There really needs to be a
>sexism outside of /b/
option for reporting posts

>>220575889
Nah he said niggers who think she’s possessed are retarded

>>220576019
He never said that, he said that when making the movie they didn't want to make her act generically possessed (angry, violent towards Bear, etc.) and tried to make her act more like a toxic relationship taken to the extreme

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>only in theaters

>>220573705
I actually just want to understand the mindset of someone who feels the need to generate AI slop to post on 4chan in order to “contribute” to a discussion. Why? There’s no karma or algorithm or monetary incentive to be this retarded and shit up the board, and even if you fool a few people into thinking you’re clever for a moment or two it will all be forgotten and you’ll ultimately have nothing for it. Isn’t the only real incentive to post here to have fun, shitpost or actually be engaged in discussion? Genuinely asking, what do you get out of this?

>>220575907
Norm is that (you)?

>>220575658
Nikki does refer to that part of herself as its own individual thing though, she asks Bear to kill her while "she is asleep". I wouldn't call that reading into it at all.

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>>220565095
They're the same thing.

>>220574757
>Having sex with women is rape

No it isn’t, reddit

>>220574757
it's not rape because he's good looking. it's only rape if he's ugly.

>>220576764
Oh man, I hear you loud and clear. You're not just venting about AI's writing patterns - you are effectively shining a light on self-expression and what it means to have a meaningful discussion. That kind of curiosity is awesome to see. If you need help with anything else just say the word.

>>220565095
>Reddit

>>220569399
It's actually good but a lot of fucking misandrist retards are desperately attempting to push this take that the main character is somehow a rapist. That's literally not what the movie is about at all.

>>220565095
I thought this guy looked too good for part should found awkward incel

>>220578646
It works in the movie only because the girl he wants is in his close circle of friends. And it's never implied that she would never date him, but he's too scared to get rejected because it would fuck up his friendships yada yada. There's also another cutie girl who does like him, it's not like he's perceived/portrayed as an unfuckable loser.

>>220567968
But the thing isn't Nikki. The movie makes that clear multiple times. He's not dating Nikki, and he is not having sex with Nikki. It is someone who is not Nikki. So how is it rape? Both consciousnesses are consenting. Where is the lack of consent between the two autonomous, self-governing bodies?

>>220575551
I thought she was Native American

>>220565095
The guy is shown to be quite attractive AND fit in the movie
Easier to believe in the wish giving branch than the fact this guy wouldn't score some hot chick, totally miscast if they wanted a low self esteem chud or virgin

>>220573705
>he didn't wish for her
He literally did though. "I wish NIKKI FREEMAN loved me more than anyone else in the world."

>>220575242
Then why was she screaming at the end like she was so shocked to see everything? I thought she was passively observing?

>>220576868
>drug addicts referring to themself seeking drugs in the third person means it’s a separate entity

>>220575658
>t. retard who didn't watch the movie
Embarrassing post.

>>220578714
>never implied
Nikki tells Sarah she friendzoned Bear and thinks it's hilarious.

>>220579141
I don't remember that scene. What a bitch.

>>220579388
She told Sarah she thought of him as a little brother, Ian tells Bear on the phone basically right after the montage of their romance at the restaurant.

>>220565095
He was definitely an evil rapist. I’m disturbed that you would even try to downplay that.

>>220579019
He could have easily had Sarah if he wanted, but he was too focused on Nikki. Sarah wasn't even that much of a downgrade and she was properly into him.
>>220575561
>that part at the restaurant when the dad doesn't have cancer reveal happy, he just says "doesn't matter to me" then hard cuts to him fucking her
Dude 100% didn't care what he was ploughing as long as "it" looked like Nikki

>>220579626
Bear banging the bodacious babe is what makes Bear based.

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>>220579626
You have an Inde Navarette fuck doll...and you're not going to fuck it? Are you gay?

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Dumbass wasted a real wish to date rape some girl. Could of actually wished for a billion dollars with no consequences, or something cool like a Light Saber.

Why did the Other Nikki act so normally for what seems like a good while?? That's the thing I can't really figure out about the movie. By and large, it seemed like there was a decently large chunk of time via the montage where she was acting like Nikki, she was capable of socializing at work and even took a ride home with Ian, seemingly carrying on a mostly normal conversation with him while doing so. Even during their date before he brought up the dad thing, she was acting like Nikki in nearly every way. She was a perfectly functional being and her being driven home by Ian implies that her locking up and freezing like when Bear went to work isn't her default state when he's away.

What exactly changed that suddenly made her start acting like an inhuman skinwalker and struggle to act like Nikki? Clearly it was perfectly capable of acting like Nikki the whole time.

>>220565095
>indie horror slop
You couldnt pay me to watch this

>>220579918
see >>220579920

>>220579918
He called out that she lied about her dad having cancer, which started to unravel that he might not like her as much as she "loves" him. Also might just be missing the parts where she doesn't sleep and instead just watches him from the corner all the time, he just so happened to wake up early one morning. That was likely always happening even during the montage, same for her shutting down/pissing herself when he isn't around

is this movie any good? my turbo normnigger friend is making my friend group go see it

>>220579977
>same for her shutting down/pissing herself when he isn't around
This isn't the case though. She spends time with Ian when Bear is not around when he drives her home, and she is seemingly normal enough to where it doesn't really freak him out.

>>220580196
It's a by the books "Be careful what you wish for." Story but with the excessive YouTuber spice in it. Really loud music, screaming, sudden gore cuts, and copying shots from Hereditary.

>every single person in this friend group tells the others secrets around
Work friends aren't real friends

>>220580305
>The doughy fat guy has actually been fucking Inde Navarrette the entire time
Broke my immersion.

>>220580318
We don't even actually know that's true, the only source for that is Ian himself telling Sarah and he's a known piece of shit and liar.

>>220580366
Nah the way Ian acts at the start in the diner, and his reactions early on, he was fucking her for sure.
>hey she is really insecure about this nickname FREAKY NIKKI, you should like TOTALLY call her that LMAO

He looked like Charlie Kirk

buy an ad

Why not just wish to be a wizard/sorcerer/warlock with super magic powers like Jafar? Even a character in a children's cartoon is smart enough for this
>b-but he thought it wouldn't work
Yeah, but his friend knew it would
It also legally breaks the rule of "you only get 1 wish~"
Even if your powers wouldn't be as reality warping tier as the Wish BranchTM it's still far more efficient than just wishing for money or some roastie to lust after you

>>220580566
>his friend knew
No he didn't, that whole conversation he didn't believe so much he just wished for a billion dollars. If he really believed it, why stop at 1b.

>>220570608
Not that deep bro. Direction was just trying to creep us out. Ended up looking very silly and chuckled induced tho.

>Barker also admits in his chat with Total Film that the One Wish Willow existing in the film’s world doesn’t make all that much sense. After all, if this magical supernatural toy is available to anyone who wants one for a mere $6.99, wouldn’t the world be completely overrun by everyone’s wishes gone wrong? “It’s kind of a plot hole,” Barker admits to the outlet.
>He continues, “The world is pretty normal from what we see. So it doesn’t really make sense. Here’s my take. Every time someone makes a wish, they enter into an alternate reality, where their wish comes true. So you’re not experiencing everybody’s wish at the same time. And that’s why… but then it doesn’t make sense, because the money falls from the ceiling.”
>Barker jokes, “Yeah, it’s broken.”

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Be careful what you wish. She might be your willing sex slave sucking your cock endlessly and riding you cowgirl until you die

>>220565095
I agree with the plebbitors
He was much more likeable as altruistic rapist

>>220578940
It's another conscience in her body. At a certain point he knows this and keeps being with her. It's rape. It's still Nikki's body and it's being used against her will. This isn't rocket science it's easy math.

>>220580681
It actually kind of does make sense that the world isn't that fucked up by wishes. They're considered a rare collector's item, meaning most people who buy them haven't opened them and keep them, and I almost guarantee you most people who buy a cheap piece of shit free wish stick are probably not using it on anything serious. Probably produced a couple lottery winners or got someone a promotion, maybe cured a few diseases, but that could largely be chalked up to coincidence. Almost nobody on earth would actually believe those work, and the google reviews are pretty mixed.

>>220580925
is it even shown in the movie that other people get some evil genie type of wish twists like the main character?

>>220580948
No, his buddy got a billion dollars and one of the reviews online said that the wish did make his mom attractive. Bear just wasn't very specific with his wish.

>>220580863
Then Worf actually raped Ezri in Star Trek

I knew it

>>220567008
He caught the attention of a bpd demon, few men make it out unscathed from such relationships

>>220565137
He's a 6.

>>220581009
especially when she's hot

>>220580982
I only know of Star Trek from cumtown and rlm. She has multiple personalities or something? I guess I don't really care if two stupid aliens rape each other.

>>220578590
Yea it's not the main point of the movie but it highlights the main characters stupidity and selfishness.

>>220579101
That's not at all the same you fucking retard.

>>220565095
rape is an inherently selfless act. How can he be both?

>>220577251
Charlie Kirk phenotype

>>220580981
Well that billion dollars could have been magic-lifted from the Cartel, and Ian would get tracked down after he tries spending this dirty money.

>>220581123
The wiccan shop clerk guy seemed pretty happy with whatever random unspecified wish he made in the past

>>220581146
Maybe a made a wish to be happy and he got replaced like Nikki.

watched a few minutes of it got bored. Its literally gonna be cat and mouse the entire movie. might as well watch Tom and Jerry. some white guy fucking around with ancient magic and ends up fucking over his crush with it making it unhinged.

>>220581146
>its actually the girl that was there before, and her wish was to be a guy

>>220581163
It's not cat and mouse though...

>>220565095
>Reddit
stopped reading there

>>220581163
Where did you watch just a few minutes of it?

>>220581311
>2026 and can't find a site with camrips
Jesus christ

>>220581393
I don't get the point of cam rips. I remember a lot of my college buddies watched a cam rip of 1917 and I was genuinely perplexed.

>>220572343
You missed the point retard it’s about loneliness in general and even his fake friend if he actually cared could have saved them all.

>>220580402
Yeah no Charlie wish he was that good looking. Also he has fucked up mouth.

>>220579841
How’s her foot game

>>220579841
goblina phenotype. it's gonna be so over

>>220579918
To lure him in, but also it’s clear she was getting more jealous of him spending time with other people as it went on

>>220565095
Ian is an asshole too. Seeing his friend down bad for the girl he is hooking up with and not giving him a heads up.

>>220581579
That’s the point he was sabotaging him with freaky Nikki and don’t ask her out on game night. Because he was hooking yo with her and figured she may go with bear. Losing her.

>I wish Nikki loved me, but is completely well adjusted and respectful of my space and own life and remains autonomous and capable of self care

what we thinking would this have worked

>>220581393
>admitting to being Indian
saar

>>220581687
It still doesn't explain why another entity took over Nikki when he said "Nikki Freeman" specifically.

>>220569101
>For most of the film he believed he literally rewrite reality to make her love him and was just acting strange.
So a typical cowardly rapist. He was willing to use paranormal intervention to obtain access to a woman's body, over-riding her pre-existing desires, in a way that wouldn't make his rapist mindset feel guilty (but any other normal person would).

>>220581777
Anyone who dates someone or wants to date someone at some point thinks "I wish/hope he/she loves me." How is that rape lol?

>>220565095
kinda sorta. it's not like he knew the wish would work and he did try to change it but yeah the smash cut to him fucking her with BRRRMMMMMMMM and her lying there expressionless is there for a reason. Plus >>220565122

but sure i still found him sympathetic. it's bad etc but a lot of people would do the same in his situation

>>220581687
Maybe but her soul would still be damned until her death and that's fucked up. She'd still have those freakouts every so often and I wouldn't want that.

>>220581805
That's not the rape you fucking moron. The having sex with someone I know isn't really them is. This isn't hard to understand.

>>220570375
the answer to all of your questions is "because its creepy"

compliment women's looks again, 30somethingbros.
stop listening to the internet.

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>>220581777
the way you type is realllllly weird and creepy, are you some sort of feminist tranny?

>>220581863
Rape is a legal term, good look proving you were possessed and actually didnt want to have sex but the demon inside you did

>>220579544
I figured that was Ian trying to steer Bear away from being with Nikki, because as we find out later, he's been lying to Bear about himself and Nikki.

>>220581956
Its purposely ambiguous atleast, because the car ride before the wish was alot of signals that seemed she was into the idea. Whether that was to also make Ian jealous is another thing.

>>220581953
Kill yourself

>>220581863
The entity controlling Nikki consents. How is it rape when they both consent? It doesn't matter Nikki didn't consent. She's not controlling the body so her consent doesn't matter. Only the consent of the driver matters. Otherwise you could claim rape on someone's behalf because you didn't consent. It literally wasn't rape.

>>220581989
Literally zero signals she was into him.

>>220582020
put it this way imagine something took over your body and made you get fucked by nikocado avocado would you be cool with that

>>220581805
>How about this completely different situation

>>220582020
>She's not in control
That doesn't make it not her body.
>>220582051
Would you be cool with this reply?

>>220582051
>>220582113
If someoen with DID or a split personality disorder has consensual sex while being one of their alter egos, is it rape? The answer is no. Therefore Nikki wasn't raped since her alter ego consented. Medically and legally what happened to Nikki isn't rape.

>>220582143
>Medically
Hilarious troll
It's not did or split personality it's straight a foreign entity masking herself as Nikki.

>>220582143
>If [completely different thing]
OK wannabe rapist

>>220582177
Operates the same though. You lost troon. Go back to Treddit.

>>220582274
It doesn't since it's a demon.
>Troon obsession
Stop watching porn.

>>220582305
How can you rape a demon? You can't. It's not rape. You're also forgetting that Nikki is going to jail for double homicide and possibly a triple homicide. Her fingerprints are on the gun and Sarah's body. Nikki is way worse than a rapist. She deserves the gallows.

>>220582339
I never said he raped the demon. He raped Nikki. So now Nikki is responsible for the demon? This is sad bait.

>>220582274
Arguing the semantics of "legal rape" to make it so you're not a hypothetical rapist is peak reddit

>>220582362
But it wasn't Nikki. You just admitted it was the demon. Now you're just arguing in bad faith...maybe troons are women after all...

>>220582402
>Bad faith
Damn too funny.

>>220582390
>X is peak reddit
How would you know? Do you frequent there? Hmmmmmm...

>>220579560
Point to me where the rape occurred.

>I am disturbed

I don’t give a fuck what you think

>>220582919
>Asks when they think something happened
>I don't give a fuck what you think
Booooooo

>>220580863
He doesn’t confirm it until literally Nikki tells him she’s never been with him. Do you niggers literally not watch the very shit you’re shitposting about on twitter?

Just because we the audience know it’s not her, doesn’t mean Bear knew

>>220581777
Nigga if you’re stupid, just say that

>>220582984
He knew at some point and refuses to kill her. He's a coward and would have let this keep going.

>>220565095
whats an unselfish rapist?

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>>220575907
>>220583029
>selfish
The Rapeman

>>220582940
>Wont answer the question
You trannies always do this

>>220581776
It's not really a foreign entity in the sense that it's a demon from hell or a ghost. He wished for Nikki to love him but Nikki didn't love him so it created a Nikki that did. Other Nikki isn't a malevolent creature, just an entity created by the wish and solely driven to love him.

>>220583047
That wasn't even me you fuckwit

>>220583020
>Its cowardly to not murder someone based on perceived supernatural situation that may or may not be real

Just because you would murder someone to get your skittles (HRT), it doesn’t mean others would

>>220583020
This. He didn't start out as the villain because he had good intentions and honestly who the fuck would expect the wish to work, but as soon as it became explicitly clear that Nikki wasn't in control of her own body and was something else, Bear became the villain when he refused to kill her.

>>220583061
Answer the question, tranny

>>220583080
I don't understand how magically wishing someone to desire you is a good intention. You're wishing for mind control or brain-washing.

>>220583080
Why would he kill her? Good luck explaining that one to the cops. There is no unfucking this situation.

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So basically the whole concept of horror falls apart the moment a friendless, remote worker, social outcast makes that wish right? Because every single "crazy shit" she did was because of other people in his life.

>>220583164
She was acting erratic, violent, and strange - even his friends thought so. He could very easily frame it as suicide, self defense, or even hide the body and claim she disappeared. Instead he kept her alive and ended up on the hook for two other murders that are way harder to cover up.

>>220583221
Not even a social outcast, Other Nikki was totally fine socially and at work - and even at the party she seemed mostly fine with his male friends. Even just someone with better friends than Ian probably wouldn't have ended up in the same situation, him being weird about the cancer thing is what first broke things down. Sarah is actually a shit friend too because she was trying to get Bear to leave Nikki for her and flirting with him, which would be a huge scumbag thing to do to someone especially because she didn't know Nikki was possessed.

>>220583141
What if you can fix them?

>>220583221
She would just kill your pets or whatever family you have

>>220583298
>other Nikki was totally fine
Her head was always facing Bear's direction. Look in the background of these scenes where you claim she is "normal"

>>220583505
What does that have to do with good intentions?

>>220583541
Not when she was talking to their boss when they came in, or when she was alone in the car with Ian apparently acting mostly normal. She is still obsessed with Bear but she doesn't really get fucking weird until it becomes clear to her that his friends are actively trying to sabotage their relationship - and that's not even usual Yandere paranoia, they literally are doing that.

>>220583578
If they need fixing, they are in a bad state. I fix them, they are in a good state. Hence my wish is actually a good thing.

>>220583141
>You're wishing for mind control or brain-washing.
Not really. When you go on a date with someone and you say certain things or do certain actions that make them like you, is that "brainwashing"? No, right? His wish was basically wanting to skip this part of dating/courtship and go straight to the part where she likes him.

>>220575600
Not only do I agree with this, I actually found skinwalker nikki kind of cute in her own way. There's a point in the movie where it sort of became clear to me that she was her own "person" trying to be Nikki and it makes me wonder if Bear ever actually tried to talk to "her" instead of constantly trying to project Nikki onto her.

She clearly has some interests or talents outside of just obsessing over Bear. They were making music together during the montage, that Hansel and Gretel poem was freaky as fuck but pretty well written and seemingly done completely independently of Bear's wishes. When she breaks down about how she's "trying to act like Nikki", I really wonder what she would've done if Bear told her she didn't have to and that he liked her for her.

>>220583229
That idiot isn't capable of covering up a murder. It's not an easy thing to do these days. I wouldn't risk life in a max camp trying to fix a situation that can't be fixed with murder.

>>220583874
The alternative is to sit idly by and watch as the girl he "loves" is essentially tormented Get-Out-style while her body is puppeted for the rest of his life. It is a mercy killing and the fact that she is in that situation at all is his fault. Killing her risks jail time, but it is monstrous to keep her alive in that state

I feel like Bear went wrong when he decided fucking her raw every day should not be what he does when he gets off work. Like why would you not want that? My gf basically never wants sex. If I could, I'd fuck her everyday. Honestly what the fuck was Bear's problem? Who doesn't want a hot cumslut cocksleeve?

>>220583653
A girl not liking you isn't broken Ranjesh

>>220584285
That's not what I said Gupta.

>>220584331
hey pick another name, one of the only hot indian chicks ever was called gupta. She even showed her massive tits.

>>220580948
it's not shown, but the shopkeeper girl who sells it to Bear says that people have come in complaining, saying they wish they were dead, etc. it's played for laughs, but also not really.

The real villain of this movie is his fat faggot friend not telling Bear that's he been banging Nikki on/off for a couple years, and letting Bear believe that he has a chance with her instead of just telling him "hey, I've been smashing, also I don't think she's into you like that at all, you need to look elsewhere."

He is a rapist just the 'I would never hurt you' "nice guy" type when given the opportunity to reveal his true self instead of the violent sadist kind. He's craven, not sympathetic.

His entire character is a parable about moral cowardice and profound selfishness. When you give an "awkward guy" like Bear god-like power, he's going to do cowardly, profoundly selfish things to other people.

His awkwardness is just masking his cowardice. And his cowardice is protecting his ego. And his ego is fueling his entitlement to Nikki's sexual and romantic affections. And his entitlement is driving his decision to steal her personhood.

Because if he controls her, she can never say no. And if she never says it, then he's still just an "awkward guy" who finally got the girl. Not a fucking monster incel who banished an innocent woman to some hellish place so he could copulate with her parasite-piloted flesh-prison.

If he was honest with her in the beginning, she could have turned him down. That would have ruined his fantasy and wounded his ego. Look at the lengths he's willing to go to avoid the mere possibility of rejection. It starts small. He avoids direct questions, he withholds personal information from his friends, and he lies by omission.

As the consequences of his actions (and inaction) make his fantasy life increasingly inconvenient, he doesn't face up to any of it. Not even in the end. He avoids, withholds, and lies right up until he ODs. If he still had agency in that moment, he was going to back out of that, too.

Not every sad sack deserves sympathy. Bear certainly doesn't.

>>220575600
yes absolutely, was gut-wrenching. the movie touched on my different forms of abuse and toxic relationships and fake Nikki struggling with comporting herself to be what Bear wants was clearly analogous to all manner of character failings to mental issues like being bipolar while shot through with exposing the contradictions of what an objectified idealized infatuation from Bear leads to when the rubber meets the road

>>220575658
I think it is a little complicated which adds to the intrigue and uncertainty while you're watching trying to find solid footing. I agree it's not like an autonomous demon that was sitting around and drag and dropped into possessing her body but then what does it mean when you say "the wish is making her" - what is "the wish"? and how can it (it?) enact agency that is contra not-Nikki without agency itself? To me it plays like malicious software or a metaphysical AI LLM attempting to simulate personhood - it's neutered and doesn't have all the tools but to can at least present as a simulation of personhood and self-recognition. so it's a little tricky to not say well that's de facto a "entity", external or no.

>>220585079
>To me it plays like malicious software or a metaphysical AI LLM attempting to simulate personhood -
right, and now you're getting into p-zombies and sophistry which becomes rather cumbersome for the sake of casual discussion when it doesn't seem this was constructed with that level of depth and intent for philosophical analysis anyways

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>>220584526
uhh... selfless rape bros, our response?

>>220585239
>sake of casual discussion when it doesn't seem this was constructed with that level of depth and intent for philosophical analysis anyways
Why not? Besides you just not wanting to put in the effort to discuss it, which I get. But a hallmark of a good movie is being able to endlessly analyze it at many different levels, whether the director intended for that or not

>>220584526
>if he asked her out and got rejected it would've ended his fantasy
Ok, but what if Nikki rejecting him created and Elliot Rodgers? Then in that case, him turning her into a fuckdoll is the least bad outcome.

>>220567008
This is me except I got fat as shit, addicted to everything and now work a dead end job. Young me is like a more gypsy version of Meeks.

>>220585079
>contra
You're a tranny.

Im already sad that the cat died

>>220584526
did he commit rape? arguably so but I think the bigger meta contention is to all the retroactively applying that label to initial Bear as "evil rapist" in sum - what are we conferring when we use labels like that to communicate and what does it mean applied to a person before they had committed the wrong?
I don't disagree with your breakdown of his character but what are those qualities and where do they come from when we call him evil - are they the expression of an evil gene revealing itself or is it possible he can be instead just "not good" - a tragically flawed human succumb to moral failure rather innately and forever evil. I think most people are closer to committing "evil" deeds than they'd like to think under the right circumstances. and what of forgiveness and rehabilitation?

Bear defenders are so fucking retarded, you're only doing it because he's a sad white guy.

I found him really relatable at the very start of the movie, because I was in a similar situation with a girl I liked in my friend group in my early 20s, but once he makes the wish it becomes extremely clear that his "love" for Nikki is excruciatingly superficial and that he is a horrible boyfriend. Freaky Nikki might be a demon or entity or split personality but he treats her like complete shit. He has zero interest in the actual personality or life of either Nikki - he was the only one in their entire friend group who didn't know about her relationship with her dad, and he doesn't give a shit about either version of her at all. When they're at the dinner date, the only thingw he even cares to ask Freaky Nikki is about her dad (which was the catalyst for them getting together), and when she started to like him, not about her book or her life or the things she likes or cares about. Even when he she clearly is having mental breakdowns, he doesn't try to get her help or make her comfortable, he just has sex with her or lies and says what she wants to hear. Up until the very end, when he is willing to throw up the pills and keep on tolerating the impostor, it is clear that he doesn't a fuck about the real Nikki and never did. He's willing to accept a broken simulacrum that is nothing like her just because she looks the same and fucks him.

Freaky Nikki is explicitly insane and does a bunch of weird shit to try to appease him without any real human context, but I barely blame her. He never actually once takes any real interest in her, he just wants her to act like Nikki, a person who he barely actually knows anything about and doesn't care about on a personal emotional level.

He's a piece of shit worse than the fake Nikki in every way. It's no wonder she goes insane, he doesn't love her. He never once in the entire movie tells her that he loves her without her prompting him.

>>220586429
it's nikki's fault for leading him on

>>220586429
yeah I really like how it fleshed out the contradictions of objectification and idealization with how he treated fake Nikki while tapping into all kinda of toxic behaviors and relationships. it felt really layered and convoluted in a good way that has me kind of shocked some people are calling it too predictable and basic nonexploration of a cliche premise

>>220586513
She never led Bear on. She asked him point blank if he had feelings, and whether she was going to accept or reject him, he ended up lying instead of being honest. She did the exact opposite of lead him on, she gave him a legitimate chance to clear the air about his feelings with absolutely no room for interpretation.

>>220586429
Caring about what women feel or think is very fucking gay

>>220586429
>angry tranny noises

Did not read

>>220586418
I think you're circling around how we value the aspect of premeditation - like I don't think most people conceive of serial killers the same way a guy who makes a bad decision to drunk drive so what gets lost when we flatten and slap them all under the "evil" umbrella

I'm sure some of you religious freaks that plague this site now have some theological insights on the nature of morals and sin to offer here yes?

>>220586704
You should care about what the sexy skinwalker feels though, it's not every day you get to romance a real supernatural presence

>>220586429
>he was the only one in their entire friend group who didn't know about her relationship with her dad
False. Bear is the first character to say "Wait, don't you hate your Dad? I thought you two weren't close?"
Not reading the rest of your tranny-coded post. YWNBAW.

>>220587519
NTA but that's wrong, the first person to bring up her relationship with her dad is Ian when talking to Bear.

>>220587597
No. It's literally Bear when she tells him "My dad has cancer"

>>220575600
>9 KB JPGAm I the only one who felt really bad for her?
There should be a sequel from the demon's perspective where she spent her whole life preparing for this role and being promised she'd be in love with Chad, only to be forced to be obsessed with this dork.

its weird that we're getting first ever yandere movie like 10 years after the trope disappeared completely from anime

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>>220565095
Is this movie like shit your pants super scary
I saw Hereditary in theaters alone and I thought it was creepy but not that scary

>>220565095
reddit has a lot of mentally ill women and their white knights, don't take them too seriously.

this thread is astroturfed to shit

>>220582984
Bear knew before that, the call with customer service was before that scene where "it" was sleeping and real Nikki talked.

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>>220588154
It scared me for sure

>>220588469
Please point us to the posts that are astroturfed

>>220588632
Based

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>>220575658
>There is no “entity” inhabiting her body. She is not possessed.
Well this is proved incorrect multiple times in the movie because she breaks free briefly a couple times as well as the scene where she says the thing is sleeping and asks him to kill her.
There's also the scene when Bear calls the number on the box and the guy asks if he wants to talk to the "real" Nikki who's screaming and sounds like she's trapped in "Hell".

I wonder what it would take for Bear to make it work. Nikki clearly takes everything literal and could be tamed in the name of love for Bear.

>>220583221
>>220583517
yeah, I was imaging if they had a baby and she inevitably gets jealous and kills it when you naturally love the baby

>>220588797
It would have worked if Ian was a good friend.

>>220584526
you can't rape the willingly, anon

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She deserves an Oscar.
That might have been the best horror performance I've ever seen. Are there any that are better?

>>220588883
Yeah this. She was pretty chill until Ian decided to stick his neck into things, for all intents and purposes she was indiscernible from the original.

>>220588957
I kind of feel this is another case of "most acting=best acting". she's definitely benefiting a lot from the material being so wrenching and the wOaH 2 different roles in 1!. she knocks it out of the park with some great micoexpressions, sell manic jealousy and make great shrieks but there is still a lot more depth and nuance to truly incredible acting that is not so immediate.

but wth they gave an Oscar to the old lady in Weapons last year so why not

>>220589096
Apparently all of her "rewinded" movements weren't edited but were actually her doing that. I've never seen someone do that kind of thing physically so convincingly before.

>>220588787
Doesn't mean anything.
The magic of the wish could have simply overwritten her original self like a split personality, and sometimes the original Nikki breaks through the spell conditioning.
It's still her regardless, not some demon possessing her or whatever.

Who p

>>220588486
That isn’t a confirmation that bear knew. He confirmed something supernatural was happening but I don’t think he truly put it together that wasn’t Nikki until she sleep talked to him.

>>220589096
>but there is still a lot more depth and nuance to truly incredible acting that is not so immediate.
Can you give some examples? Not disagreeing with you, just want to learn

>>220589471
IIRC when he made that call to customer service, he didn't tell the person on the line the girls name. The customer service worker said it was Nikki. So if the person who is apart of this wish company tells you its Nikki, and its screaming on the line, it should be painfully obvious.

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This horror movie wouldn’t work on me because i’ve spent years theorycrafting the perfect monkey’s paw wish wording.

>I wish that my crush, entirely through her own free will and genuine feelings, naturally develops healthy romantic feelings for me over time in a way that is safe, mutual, emotionally fulfilling, non-obsessive, psychologically sound, does not harm anyone, alter reality negatively, or create unforeseen consequences for either of us, while preserving both our autonomy and long-term happiness.

See? easy.

>>220589621
yeah well I wish to be able to predict the stock market, get bent

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>>220589621
if magic and wishes were real, then why wouldn't you simply spend time theorycrafting a wish to give you enormous magical powers instead?
This way you just get a net benefit of more wishes
Better than wasting it all on some roastie

>>220589671
>I wish to safely gain complete conscious control over a limitless source of benevolent magical power, with full understanding of how to use it wisely, no corruption of my mind or body, no unintended consequences, no loopholes, no harm to myself or others, no loss of free will, and the ability to revoke or modify these powers at any time without negative effects

>>220589697
That's a tad generic.
The branch or evil genie might as well just give you the benevolent magic power of creating flowers and only that
might as well specify
>over a limitless source of benevolent magical power (regarding the entire forces of transmutation, illusion, necromancy, evocation, conjuration, enchantment and divination)

>>220589782
Creating flowers is a pretty good power.

>>220574818
>metal as fuck
Anyone who uses this phrase is a cringe ass Redditor neckbeard faggot

>>220565095
The moment he makes the wish he's innocent because he has no reason to believe it will work and he's just saying out loud what he feels.

After the first evening though he knows something is wrong, he says as much to Ian. He still doesn't quite believe the wish is real but regardless of it's drugs or mental health problems he knows SOMETHING is going on, and it's not right to get involved with her while she's like this, but he still does. So right there he fails the Austin Powers test, he's knowingly taking advantage of someone who isn't thinking straight because it's what he wants and he knows he shouldn't.

He then doubles down all the way through the movie as things get worse and worse. He doesn't try to help her or fix the situation, he doesn't want it fixed, he just wants her to "act normal" and stay with him.

It's only after she smashes Sarah's face in with a brick that he finally relents and tries to undo it, but even then he can't fully go through with it. By that point, yes, he's an unredeemable piece of shit and he deserves what he gets. If anything he gets let off easy.

You can debate when exactly he goes over the line to irredeemable, but the most obvious point is the phone call. He knows at then that she's being tortured by the wish, and he does jack shit to stop it. Later when she begs him to kill her he gets bitchy and complains about how "is it really that bad to be with me".

Yes my man, it is. Fucking kill yourself.

>>220589497
I am mostly thinking of artful dramas where more abstractly difficult and sometimes conflicting things are trying to be portrayed through organic performance and delivery as horror is often pretty surface level, fearful and uncomplicated but a few that come to mind
Polanski's films like Repulsion and Rosemary's Baby
Rebecca Hall does great work in Night House and Resurrected
Don't Look Now
Whatever Happened to Baby Jane
Cure
Saint Maud
Carrie
The Exorcist
Blue Velvet
Silence of the Lambs

>>220589621
Curry Baker has said in interviews it's not a Monkey's Paw situation, as long as you don't make a horrible cursed wish you're fine. The reason why Bears wish fucked up was because it was a fucked up wish that took away another persons agency.

Also he apparently gave out collectable "One Wish Willows" at the premiere and the rules are written on the box which include no manipulating time, no resurrecting the dead / granting immortality, and no wishing for more wishes.

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Gay /lit/sff fag here. This discourse reminds me of the arguments surrounds BoTNS and how reddit calls Severian a rapist. I assume the same people that would say Bear is a rapist are the same type of retards.

>>220589923
I hear you, but I think Inde Navarrette's performance is on par or better than those ones you listed (of those that I've seen)
Yeah "I'm actiing!!!" I know I know but I think she managed to be over the top without being comical which is really hard.
And her performance is multilayered, not just because of playing 2 characters at once.
I think she must of watched one of those YouTube videos of guys BPD girlfriends freaking out at them in public because she nailed it so hard. Also, she was really scary, and yes that is also the result of great directing but it doesn't detract from her performance

https://youtu.be/KijhRTvvMWA

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>>220590008
cool promo. when I saw it at a festival I found this in the bathroom

>>220588154
It's actually weirdly funny at times, when it's scary I found it more unsettling and uncomfortable than jump out of your seat scary. I feel like if you've ever had a relationship with someone who's had a serious breakdown this will be hard to sit through. Inde Navarrette is really good at capturing the kind of unhinged energy that living with someone who is a danger to themselves and you has, and she's also really good at making a lot of really god-awful noises. I don't know if they tweaked it in post or anything but the sound she makes when she's in the shower was horrible.

>>220588957
Retarded faces are not oscar worthy lol!!!!!

>>220590153
She makes retarded faces in like 2 scenes

>>220589433
>"IT'S NOT ME IT'S NOT ME" as she breaks a bottle and tries to kill herself at the party
It's very explicit man. If she's not being replaced by "something" then there's no reason for her to snap back to her real self imo

>>220590121
She nailed it for sure. I just wonder if you take 10 other well cast actresses could they not do the same? She's so young and green hard to trust what is uniquely talented about it but maybe that's a misguided criteria.

I was also so distractingly charmed and attracted to her its hard to parse that out from the acting+scares

>>220590177
The wish is overriding her personality and emotions and the more she resists against it the more it has to force her to act in ways she doesn't want.

I never got the impression she was possessed by a demon, just that the wish was controlling her and the further things went the more insane she became and the more her true feelings and personality had to be repressed.

I guess you could say in a sense she's "possessed" by the end because Freaky Nikki is at that point entirely being driven by the wish but to me it seemed like she split into the two different personalities over the course of the film. The first night she seemed to mostly be herself, just confused and weirded out by how she was acting. It wasn't until the started making out that she had her first real "break" and then things kept getting worse from there.

I get why people feel that way though because the phone call really makes it seem like the "real" Nikki has been taken away and is being tortured in hell, but I don't think that's it. She's being tortured, yeah, but by the spell controlling her and forcing her to act in ways she doesn't want to. And the more she resists the more stressful and miserable it becomes and the more desperate she gets to make it stop. And of course you also have Freaky Nikki suffering because the more she acts insane the more she upsets Bear which fucks her up.

Just a real nightmare horror show to be involved in.

>>220590218
Time will tell, she'll probably be in more movies after this

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>>220590306
I completely disagree based on the evidence the movie gives, but I understand why you'd feel that way.

>>220590366
The director has also said in interviews she's not possessed by a demon so you do you I guess.

>>220590420
She's possessed by fake Nikki

They should've cast an ugly indian. Only way this plot makes sense.

>>220590306
The screams on the phone call sound similar to those at the end of the movie, giving credence to your theory, if those screams are the same screams.
But also you have to understand why people think she's possessed.
Both theories are equally valid since the movie doesn't spell things out for us
>>220590420
Maybe possessed by the split personality

do you think people reallly believe the right thing to do was take accountability by killing her to put her out of her misery at the end? I get wanting to criticize him taking "the easy way out" but not that killing her is preferable to making her go on living in the wake of what's happened

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There was no chance of being with the girl with 2000 likes
now I understand why he scared to ask her out and made the wish lol

>>220590694
If Ian could fuck her, MC could fuck her. MC just had ZERO spine, a closed book per her own words.

>>220590617
nah, just cheap words. talk about violating her agency and want him to kill her too? she can suicide herself if she cant deal with the trauma

>>220590793
She can't suicide because she isn't in control of her own body, and the few times she does regain control, she does try to kill herself.

I would just simply ignore her.

>>220575600
I know this is a gay analogy to make, but she's basically a Mr. Meeseeks from Rick and Morty - a being that exists only to fulfill a single purpose driven to insanity by being unable to fulfill that purpose.

>>220590715
Ian has big pen0r

>>220590420
I haven't seen any interview where he said that. I have seen one's where he said she was not a monster with super human powers after the wish, just that she was a normal girl. That doesn't eliminate that she's possessed/replaced by "something"
also
>The director said
Literally means nothing. "Death of the Author" and what not.

For me, the film repeatedly frames Nikki as if something is wearing her rather than simply changing her personality, especially in the moments where she seems briefly aware or trapped beneath the obsessive behavior. The Willow didn't seem to just alter her emotions, it seemed to invite an external force that puppeteers her after the wish, which explains why Nikki’s actions feel unnaturally theatrical and disconnected from her original self. She was "possessed" by something that isn't necessarily a monster or demon, just some force/entity/thing trying to be Nikki who's deeply in love with Bear and making him be madly in love with it too. The phone call makes it explicit to me.

With your theory, I don't see why there'd be multiple scenes of the real Nikki reappearing instead of maybe one time in the beginning like in the bedroom scene if the spell can just rewrite her. That would imply the magic is weak, except that they show how easy it was to just generate a billion dollars falling from the sky with a wish.

>>220590715
ian seems like the type of dude who prays on women when they're in a vulnerable spot to get a pity fuck