Best tv show of all time, simple as

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>>220567273
Captain Picard is one of my favorite characters ever.

As a series... Started shit. Got better and better. Ended shit.

It sucked. Not enough lens flairs and explosions.

>>220567375
its one of those things where, when i say time goes by it can be both as you mature or as repeated views,
initially you look up to him as some role model of truth and decency but i suppose it slowly turns to realisation of his faults and how he is kind of niaeve in an ethical way about starfleet etc.
its interesting to watch the extended data human courcase where he actually to begin with, doesn't even consider the idea that data might not be property. data has to kind of ask him first before hes like oh yeah. hmmm. i suppose your right. and guinan has to be like you know this is slavery right? and hes like oh yeah, thats bad isn't it? yeah good point.

Peak

it was a different time

seasons 3 to 5 are like a stream of constant kino, you have no idea.

and, he was a good friend.

>>220567385
It probably has the best finale episode of any series ever though. The movies were garbage and unnecessary

>>220567273
television like peak tng is a lost art, humanity is incapable of making anything like that ever again, sad really

>>220567273
>We are peaceful and our way of doing this is superior to yours. If you disagree we will destroy you with our superior technology, and it will be your own fault because we are peaceful.

Something about this attitude of theirs didn't really sit right with me.

As for the show. It started out pretty bad, Got really good. Then got bad again.
Episodic nature meant the quality was all over the place. Some episodes were brilliant. Then you'd have an episode about klingons which were incredibly tiresome. Or any episode about the females on the ship, which were terrible because all the women are useless.

I liked the eps about space anomalies and actual scifi stuff, the data episodes, the q episodes, and any where they had to wrestle with ethical and moral grey areas.

>>220567273
Legends

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>>220567375
>Captain Picard
He's a Shakespeare actor, hard for them not to nail a good starfleet captain

>His first officer William Riker - racists will happy this went to a burly mountain man from Alaska. This would be the guy Trump thinks is a smuck but makes him his vice president

>Geordi La Forge - genius black dude happy to be a humble slave. Has to be blinded so the racists are happy we really keep him in line

>Worf: I love Worf. Very unique

>Data: I love Data. Very unique

Rest were meh, at least all white people so the racists are happy
Tasha Yar
Beverly Crusher
Deanna Troi
Wesley Crusher

>>220567273
We thought that there's no way Picard knows that long-ass "password" Data recites when he takes over the Enterprise.

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I loved it

>>220570884
Wanting to see your own race represented on screen is racist?

Laid the groundwork for deep space nine and voyager, both of which I consider far superior. It has some classic episodes though.

>>220572302
I'm with you brother. Ship all blacks back to Africa, have ICE mop all the rest. I'm crazy, but I want all the ugly and mid looking people shipped out too. I basically want all blue hair blue eyes and 8 of 10s or better. It was pretty close to that at this festival I went to in Iowa on vacation to visit a friend

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Troi > Crusher

>>220567273
>now that the dust has settled
>show ended 32 years ago
That's a lot of dust

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This would be my Tasha Yar

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>>220572674
True

>>220570082
Watched the series over the past 6 years and this is my opinion. There are so few episodes where it isn't weighed down by something ridiculous (budget, bad directing, episode nature, Wesley, ). I don't think the show even gets decent until season 4, and very rarely does it delve into topics that you don't see coming. The crew feels so oddly inhuman until the later seasons, and the writers seem utterly baffled by the format of continuity television (and actively push to include unpopular characters like Loxana or Barclay).

So often, the answer isn't diplomacy or science. It's just them running away, violating the prime directive, or knowing the obvious answer for 45 minutes but pretending they don't. Measure of a Man is, for example, one of the most overrated episodes. It's a boring law case that boils down to "this robot can fuck so it can feel." I studied law in college, so I'm probably expecting too much but a good legal justification alone isn't the smoking gun the show thinks it is.

But then I think about Darmok, Inner Light, or Genesis, which are a delight. Q, Picard, and Worf are great characters. I just don't see the quality to quantity ratio that makes the series as a whole redeemable. Contemporary shows like X-Files were pumping out 8+ hits in a season while also sharing space with serialized episodes. I'm working through Babylon 5 now and even the clunkers contribute greatly with their world building and insinuation of mysteries. TNG just feels dated even for the time.

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>>220572674
That period in the 90s when every show had an alien species that was just Italian.

>>220567273
>What did we think
Are you guys Borg?

Anyway, I love it. It's very comfy, I consider it my "home" Star Trek series. The Enterprise D and the Galaxy Class is my favorite ship.

... BUT I DO have some nitpicks.

>Wesley being the Blues Traveler instead of a regular Starfleet officer was weird. Though I do appreciate we get to see that more properly with Nog, who had a more satisfying arc.
>Beverly should have had more episodes that weren't connected to Wesley, Picard or the sexy ghost candle.
>"Cost of Living" is the worst episode of the series and possibly the worst piece of official, mainline, pre-Kurtzman Star Trek media.
>The early episodes of Picard babysitting annoying diplomats can be difficult to sit through.
>The "planetarium synth" music and score in the early seasons are better than the later seasons, though those are quite nice, too.

>>220573192
I tend to agree in the sense that I feel similarly about Farscape and other sci-fi shows of the same ilk; I liked them, I continue to like them, but I can't really ACTIVELY like them because so much of the actual runtime is just not very good and it turns into a kind of "We just close our eyes and wait through the dumb parts until we get to more alright stuff".

Also, TNG's major problem to me was that no one in the show really grows in any way. None of the characters are significantly changed by their experiences over the course of the runtime. And this is largely because by the end of the seasons, Picard still has to be the Picard of the show (duh, obviously, but you get my point), Troi is still the "semi-hot woman with opinions", Riker is still the "brash someday-commander but he's not ready yet", etc. etc.

It would be nice if like, Picard got more bitter, jaded, more aggressive or had his ideals put to the test and was changed for it, but that never happens and so you can functionally watch any episode in the series and it could, outside of the actors looking slightly different, be functionally from any point in the timeline.

>>220572779
I had one of the coolest experiences of my life getting to watch TNG with a guy who had never seen it.
really cool guy in his mid 20s that was a boat captain (4th officer) on an ocean liner that had never heard of TNG. In his ship the command structure is basically the Arch-captain who is in his room all the time but it's his ass on the line so anytime there is a situation, he commands the bridge. He's on call 24/7.

Then it's like an airplane cockpit. You have a captain and co-captain manning the bridge 12 hours a day then another captain and co-captain the other 12 hours

So 5 of them total, 2 manning the bridge at any time. Then they had the guy in engineering and all that on top of that

For some reason he decided to watch TOS (now THAT one has a lot of dust) and he actually liked it so he decided to watch TNG. I happened to be hanging out with him right when he watched the first episode and it was so crazy being with someone who had no idea who Worf and Data and the gang were. It was exciting. Great memories

Makes me curious to give TOS a real shot

>>220573449
Maybe it is brought up at some point in the series, but I think it's funny how TNG just kind of operates on this idea that we just don't give a single fuck about the people who operate the bridge during the times that Picard, Riker, and all the rest are not on shift. Like, someone is at the helm, but we don't care who. The only thing that matters is when those guys step on the bridge for their shifts.

I like worf I do not mind Alexander but once worf gets a kid his episodes take a bad turn.
Personally I thought they spent way too much time on their ship and not properly exploring planets like in ToS, I could be wrong though, but it really did feel like it is either the deck or the holodeck or just some room on the ship

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>>220572973
Another I like for my Tasha Yar

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I missed most of the Tasha episodes, I didn't know she was killed less than a year into the Enterprise's mission.

And that,:
>Lieutenant Natasha Yar, better known as Tasha, was a Human born on the failed Human colony world of Turkana IV. Tasha had to avoid rape gangs and violence just to scavenge for the bare necessities of life, such as food. One of the few bright spots in her life was finding a cat, which she attempted to protect while being chased by a rape gang. (TNG: "Where No One Has Gone Before")

>The planet's government began breaking down in the 2330s. Dozens of factions developed, and civil war broke out. The Turkana government gave police powers to the two largest factions, the Coalition and the Alliance, but it was quickly overthrown by those cadres; and the planet severed relations with the Federation by 2352, the two factions declaring the planet's independence. Lawlessness became the norm, and rape gangs became a common threat.

>later, the USS Enterprise-D visited Turkana IV> At that time, the surface structures had all been destroyed by years of civil war, and the planet's inhabitants lived in structures that extended up to three kilometers below the surface (TNG: "Legacy")

>>220574021
Yeah, Denise Crosby was part of the original crew in the first season, apparently felt like she wasn't getting enough screen-time, tried to fight for more, and ended up leaving the show to pursue other acting which did not work out for her and she never made much of note after.

>>220573192
>>220573391
Nu-Trek proves an overarching story doesn't work in the Star Trek universe (nobody likes Nu-Trek). The Federation is a giant bureaucracy, the ships are filled with nerds and dorks and the aliens aren't very fleshed out even to this day... and even if they were, how would communicate that to new viewers? The anthology format kinda needs their characters to be mostly static.

>>220573192
>I'm working through Babylon 5 now and even the clunkers contribute greatly with their world building and insinuation of mysteries
Enjoy. It's a common opinion here, but Babylon 5 is criminally underrated. It's basically forgotten, or when remembered, only as a bit of a joke of cheap niche sci-fi. But it's absolutely outstanding, probably some of the best sci-fi ever filmed, and better than anything ever found in Star Trek.

More on topic, I would say that TNG has both the greatest and worst episodes of all Star Trek. So it can be a bit jarring to watch. Strokes of brilliance mixed in with total shit. And most frustratingly, tond of episodes that were almost brilliant but are totally ruined by one thing, like you said. TOS and DS9 are more consistently good. And then obviously all the rest are bad more consistently.

>>220567385
Season 7 wasn't as good as seasons 3-6, but the two part finale was one of the greatest endings of any show, ever.

>>220570082
>We are peaceful and our way of doing this is superior to yours. If you disagree we will destroy you with our superior technology, and it will be your own fault because we are peaceful.
What? The Federation has its faults and can be a bit insidious (root beer diplomacy), but it never intentionally attacks other species unless they are attacking them first. The penalty for not agreeing with Federation values is not being allowed to join the Federation's special club, and typically alien species are begging to join up.
>muh maquis
The Maquis were space terrorists who steal Federation supplies, if anything the Federation was way too tolerant when dealing with those shitheads.

>>220574074
I am aware of how bad new Trek is. I don't need serialized storytelling, but general continuity needs to be kept. Especially before season 5, TNG often identified characters by their functional role more than their actual personalities and gave them no actual long-term goals. There are a handful of sequel episodes, but outside of "(X) returns!", the show isn't particularly built on established characters and ideas. Season 6+7 show just a bit of this as they begin to catch up with modern television--Picard's interrogation of the rogue Borg and thinking of identifying as Locutus is a good example. There are also crewmembers and villains who disappear wholecloth from the show without resolution, with no regard to writing (Ro, Yar's daughter) simply because CBS didn't want to pay someone. Shows at the time were sloppy with this, but there was always at least an attempt to tie things up for most characters.

We know, for example, that Picard is uncomfortable working with children. This is true through all seven seasons. He still struggled with children during Captain Picard Day at the end of S6. But considering that he worked with Wesley on the bridge for a number of years and saw Worf literally raise a child, he should have grown to understand kids better. The show even contradicts itself, sometimes showing he is a great mentor to adolescents, as Picard is the figure who helps Wesley at the academy and later gives the dead Bajoran girl a second chance during Lower Decks.

>>220573298
Pretty much my exact feels, but my nitpicks are different
> the selective dumbness of the crew when it comes to weird space phenomena gets a little annoying. The ship runs into some crazy shit on a CONSTANT BASIS but because of narrative convention they always seem to have the situational awareness of horror movie protagonists.
>Troi gets a lot of shit for being an awful character but I think it has more to do with the writers just not having any idea what to do with her besides be as vague as a fortune teller and twice as unhelpful. She should have been like "Captain, Damon Bok wants to fucking KILL YOU dont trust him, do a full sensor sweep of the stargazer and see if there's anything weird in there before you go over," or "The Tamarian captain didn't have any ill-will when he took Captain Picard, he actually seemed somewhat hopeful, I think we need to let whatever they're planning play out, but be careful of that second in command he is INCREDIBLY frustrated about the entire affair, if we want to help we need to do it carefully." She should have been the ship's cheat code for weird situations. She made a terrible therapist too, it's FUCKING OBVIOUS Barclay had some kind of anxiety disorder about being transferred to the FUCKING FLAGSHIP OF THE FEDERATION and is wish-fulfilling in the holodeck because there's no fucking stakes there. they probably should have actually brought in a psychiatrist to do consultant work if they wanted one as a principal cast member
>>220573391
>TNG's major problem to me was that no one in the show really grows in any way
I think this kinda ties into my first point. The non-serialized, one-off story structure meant that they had to pretty much reset to the status quo after every episode.

>>220574323
also, they tended to kind of repeat shit a lot.
>troi gets mind-raped
>Riker gets psychologically tortured/is in some kind of fantasy world
>in THREE different stories a kid gets orphaned and a principal cast member needs to look after them
>previously unknown non-corporeal energy cloud lifeform fucks with ship systems, picard whips out the "seek out new life" line

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>>220567273

Why does the Federation condone rape?!?

https://youtu.be/aiEGcTuMgow?si=VXP7WRdGPzr_nJ13

!!!FACT!!!

>>220572302
you're talking to a jeet, so wasting your time

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>>220572084
are you retarded?

I grew up watching re-runs of TOS and was an early teen when TNG began airing. I'd say TOS, overall was the best but damn if TNG isnt close to it. Theres this certain special, something about the designs and atmosphere of TNG that make it forever comfy trek.

>>220567273
I prefer TOS, but TNG was remarkably consistent from season 3 onwards with a number of all-time gems. I like DS9 and Voyager too, but in some respects those shows are worse for TNG being so great.

>>220573192
The issue with Babylon 5 is that JMS just isn't a terribly good writer.

>>220575030
>>220574875

I wish they'd do a retro show where they set it in the TOS era and have everything look like that while keeping everything simple in design and referencing pulp sci-fi novels and movies.

This is why I loved Captain Proton from Voyager for that reason....

https://youtu.be/eAzcAoSzu18?si=n_PBEtZ-jYuw8K71

Which harkens to Sky Captain And The World Of Tomorrow.....

https://youtu.be/5D-aYfrthJc?si=474NYkAuP61HxrV9

I just wish that if they did another show they'd call it STAR TREK - DARKSTAR!!!FACT!!!

!!!FACT!!!

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>>220567273
i wish i could unwatch it so i could watch it for the first time again

>>220574894
It took Data two minutes to get through it...

>>220567273
TNG is excellent, might be one of the best shows ever made. Great representation of ideals of a futuristic society Type II civilization, sad that society chose not to embody some of them.

>>220575254
you're trolling, right?

TNG is like 1/3 the best tv you've ever seen in your life, 1/3 the worst tv you've ever seen in your life, and 1/3 "uh it was okay"

>>220575457
Just you apparently.

>>220567273
It will always be quintessential star trek for me. I'm of course biased since it's the first I watched, but TOS didn't have the same spirit, and DS9 is very well written but is more of a deconstruction of something established, it can't exist on it's own. TNG is just THE space exploration show. Optimism, wonder, philosophy, action shlock, mystery, terror, it has it all.

>>220567371
>>220568047
>>220568657
This basically.
TNG is the high-water mark of American culture and maybe western civilization as a whole if you take its moral lessons to be the natural extension of all the teachings that came before.
There's nothing left beyond it.

After you finish watching TNG you can quit TV shows forever and you won't miss much to be honest. There's nothing else as sophisticated or well-written. Nothing else that's as optimistic about the future of humanity.

>>220574323
>>220574447
I started noticing that half of the Troi episodes were "Troi meets a cute guy who is psychic... AND HE IS ALSO EVIL!!!"

>>220567371
This guys said it.

>>220577152
I also noticed that whenever it would be beneficial to have an empath read someone (Symbiosis comes to mind, at least when they were withholding information or getting violent) or The Neutral Zone when that rich 90s guy had to tell Picard the Romulans were lying, Troi is conveniently not there

>>220574323
Troi did get a kino episode when she is forced to pretend to be a Romulan. She was really good there, going full SS commander. She needed to be more assertive in other episodes like you say.

>>220572674
i look like this

overrated, the moral condundrums and forced constraints were lazy. dude the prime directive prevents us from solving this easy problem to solve.

>>220567273
can one of you fags explain to me why every ship is just a flying saucer turned into a hot rod?

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When it starts to get into top gear in season 3 theres not much better.

>>220574043
>>220574043
>apparently felt like she wasn't getting enough screen-time, tried to fight for more,
You have that all backwards. She kept getting demoted by Star Trek. First they gave her Deanna Troi. Then they demoted her to Tasha Yar. At first Tasha Yar was one of the top-billed characters and featured prominently in episodes such as "The Naked Now" and "Code of Honor"
Then she got demoted again and Tasha Yar was moved to a background role and ultimately replaced by Worf
If this happened to you what would you do? Even if you're the top star on Star Trek, your acting career is over.

>She ended up leaving the show to pursue other acting which did not work out for her and she never made much of note after.

Nobody from Star Trek is ever considered an A or B list actor. To do Star Trek means to give up on ever being an A or B list actor. So if you're doing Star trek and they demote you to a C tier character, your career is done.

Her grandfather is Bing Crosby. She was married to a director and she went to a Hollywood high school that produced many directors, including several in her graduating class

She could have chimped out but she was so gracious about all this that Star Trek amicably let her out of her contact and let her come back as a guest star many times

She starred in Stephen King's Pet Sematary in 1989 (the movie made a huge profit so was a huge financial success) and had a long and successful acting career as the exact same C tier type role Star Trek has demoted her to

i watched the riker klingon exchane student episode yesterday after a long time. its really fun. i also noticed it has 'wash day tomorrow, nothing clean, right?' guy in it. wish the guy had a bigger career, he deserved it, he's in so much cool stuff aside from trek but always in minor roles

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>>220574043
By leaving Star Trek early, she probably became the most successful actor of all of them besides Picard (played by Patrick Stewart, who was later Professor X in the X Men franchise)

Data - played by actor Brent Spiner of Houston TX (Space City) who later had a memorable role in Independence Day starring Will Smith

None of these had a more successful acting actor than she did:

Riker - played by actor Jonathan Frakes (he's from PA and went to Harvard)

Worf - played by actor Michael Dorn (he grew up in Pasadena, California)

Geordi La Forge - played by LeVar Burton of Sacramento CA and went to USC. He first wanted to become a Catholic priest before switching to acting

Deanna Troi - played by Marina Sirtis of London who was sexually molested by her babysitter when she was growing up

Beverly Crusher - played by Gates McFadden of Ohio.

Wesley Crusher - played by Wil Wheaton of Los Angeles who went to UCLA. He described his father as a bully who was emotionally abusive to him as a child and his mother as being an enabler of that abuse. He also stated that his parents forced him to become an actor. Just a few years ago he said that his parents stole his childhood earnings. He has struggled with alcohol addiction, and lives with complex post-traumatic stress disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, and chronic depression

>>220578041
The original ship was exactly that. It was even supposed to be able to seperate the saucer section from the drive section, but they never actually did that until TNG.

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>>220579995
>Beverly Crusher - played by Gates McFadden of Ohio.
Fun fact: McFadden was initially nervous to attend fan conventions, due to a stalking issue early in her teaching career prior to her Star Trek tenure. However her concerns have not come to pass and she has since found conventions to be a positive experience.

>>220577060
It's also crazy to think back then a season was 20+ episodes. Now your lucky to hit 10 episodes with most series deciding 8 is good enough

>>220579995
i didn't know spiner was from houston, also just found out he voiced the joker a few times
>>220580294
>she has since found conventions to be a positive experience.
that's nice

>>220567273
DS9 and ToS are better, and Voy too.

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>>220578694
>Her grandfather is Bing Crosby.

Bing Crosby was one of the most popular and influential people of the 20th century worldwide, one of the first global cultural icons.

A survey in 2000 found that with 1,077,900,000 movie tickets sold, Crosby was the third-most-popular actor of all time, behind Clark Gable (1,168,300,000) and John Wayne (1,114,000,000)

The International Motion Picture Almanac lists Crosby in a tie for second-most years at number one on the All Time Number One Stars List with Clint Eastwood, Tom Hanks, and Burt Reynolds

For 15 years (1934, 1937, 1940, 1943–1954), Crosby was among the top 10 acts in box-office sales, and for five of those years (1944–1948) he topped the world

Crosby was the number one box office attraction for five consecutive years from 1944 to 1948 and won the Academy Award for Best Actor for his role in Going My Way (1944).

At his screen apex in 1946, Crosby starred in three of the year's five highest-grossing films

In 1948, American polls declared him the "most admired man alive", ahead of Jackie Robinson and Pope Pius XII.

His most popular film, White Christmas, grossed $30 million in 1954 ($378 million in current value)

>>220573192
>Barclay
>unpopular
nigga what?

she is not related to bing. her whore mother is a liar.

>>220577600
yeah that was by far the best Troi episode, even if she hams it in a little

>>220573192
i dont agree with any of this

>>220581354
hams it up

>>220581384
go ahead tie it up, long distance, telephone call

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Jonathan Frakes first appeared as Starfleet officer William T. Riker in 1987. That's the same time he met his wife

They began dating in 1985, became engaged in 1986, and married on May 28, 1988.

She is television soap opera actress Genie Francis
>best known for playing the role of Laura Spencer on the television soap opera General Hospital 1977–81, 1983-84, 1993–2002, 2006, 2008, 2013, 2015–)
>also appeared in the soap operas Days of Our Lives from 1987 to 1989, All My Children from 1990 to 1992, and The Young and the Restless from 2011 to 2012.

>>220573192
Lwaxana is very very good in Half a Life and no other character could have performed that role but her, she really surprised me. If her other episodes were written as good she would have been way more broadly popular.

TNG stands for The Next Generation

star trek: the next generation began in 1987

there are 7 season and 178 episodes of star trek: the next generation

star trek: the next generation was nominated for 58 emmy awards and won 19

>>220567273
Now that your cock has been removed can you kill yourself?

star trek: the next generation was produced by Paramount Domestic Television

star trek: the next generation aired on television

special effects for star trek: the next generation where done by Industrial Light and Magic, a Division of Lucasfilm

>>220567273
Just Hebraic slop. Comes from the typical atheist liberal type who wants to pretend race doesn't exist and somehow everyone will embrace anglo-saxon culture with all of its trappings. Meanwhile, in spite of this, it pushes an anti-white narrative. The Injun planet to push the noble savage myth and gets to stay in spite of treaties while the non-Injun planet is forced to leave in spite of building up a bunch of infrastructure long the treaty which is used to force them off their land. Honour before reason in that Picard is presented as virtuous in spite of endangering thousands (including civilian women and children) constantly just to satisfy some idiotic liberal sentiment Gene and his Jewish writing staff wrote for that character.

one episode of star trek: the next generation is titled "Booby Trap"

none of this is true btw

in the star trek: the next generation episode Devil's Due, there is a character named Clark

>>220582029
So is it Hitler approved or not?

hitler is referenced in star trek: the next generation episode "A Matter of Time"

>>220582180
Go on...

>>220582131
Absolutely not. Star Trek is far too Jewish.

>>220567385
I like season 1 and 2 and people parrot that theyre shit way too much around here. Every season has good and shit sides. Season 2 has some great ones and 1 feeling like an os rip off has is fun to go back to and watch in hindsight

there are no references to jews, judaism, hebrew, or israel in star trek: the next generation

>>220582237
The entire show is shit.

>>220570884
ALLLL that trolling yet THIS was your most retarded statement:
>He's a Shakespeare actor, hard for them not to nail a good starfleet captain
You clearly don't know the history of casting the role, who else was up for it, and how hard so many fought AGAINST casting Stewart. But, you're clearly brown and seething.

>>220573192
>The crew feels so oddly inhuman until the later seasons, and the writers seem utterly baffled by the format of continuity television
True, however the writers were hamstrung by the corporate push NOT to have continuity. But so much of the characters personality boiled down to what musical instrument they played, what food they liked, or giving in to the actors faggotry to let their characters love doing Shakespeare plays in the show to keep the actor happy.

Character growth was mostly at a snail's pace and even then not much, especially if you weren't Worf, Data, or maybe Picard.

Also to answer OP, how does it hold up? It's Living Room Comfy. But its far from perfect. Some high points are still great, low points still shit.

All Good Things: look! Data is SLIGHTLY less autistic now compared to season one! Whew, such growth lads! Except his future self is massively autistic and just mimicking what he thinks a stuffy professor would act like.

>>220574043
>ended up leaving the show to pursue other acting which did not work out for her and she never made much of note after.
Honestly, as nice as she seems IRL, I wonder how deeply resentful she must be, seeing how financially set for life her former co-stars are.
There are regrets, then there are MASSIVE regrets in life.

>>220574447
Not to mention
>Worf gets his ass kicked to demonstrate how menacing new alien threat is

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>>220578041
The Borg was introduced by TNG, a hive mind like Unity in Rick & Morty and Gaia in Isaac Asimov's Foundation Series introduced in 1982, a couple years before the launch of TNG
The Borg have become a symbol in popular culture for any juggernaut against which "resistance is futile"

>>220577152
>"Troi meets a cute guy who is psychic... AND HE IS ALSO EVIL!!!"
The producer or someone, I forgot who, LITERALLY ADMITTED at a convention I attended while the show was still in production, that one of Troi's psychic evil rapists was literally cast to look like CA Governor Jerry Brown since they didn't like him. I can picture which one but can't remember the episode.

>>220582610
>rick and morty
I don't watch cartoons, kid

>>220578694
>Nobody from Star Trek is ever considered an A or B list actor.
Typical autistic retard argument twisting a definition to make your retarded point. During the 70s & 80s Shatner & Nimoy had A List status in more foreign countries than other A-List names at that time. Stupid revisionist.

>>220582298
>But, you're clearly brown and seething
I'm a blue haired eyed handsome Aryan poster child. If I was brown I wouldn't be wasting time on here, the place for seething racists that wished they looked like me.

remember that they destroyed star trek for daring to dream of a better world

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>>220567273
too many episodes

>>220582916
A better world cannot exist so long as America is filled with Nazi chuds.

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>>220582709
>Shatner & Nimoy
Those two are C or D tier actors at best. But yes everyone at least knows their names because they were the first faces behind the Star Trek franchise

Star Trek didnt start getting potential A and B list actors until 2009 with the rebooted Star Trek movies (which were awesome)

Patrick Stewart became a B list at best actor one he started doing X men (2000, 2003, 2006 were the only 3 before 2009)

>>220582786
>I'm a blue haired

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>>220582039

Please stop humouring the autistic zoomer retard, if everyone ignores him he will go away - thank you.

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>the rebooted Star Trek movies (which were awesome)

>>220582786
>uh.uh...uh I'M HANDSOME!!!!
riiiiiiiight. Whatever you say, blue hair

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>>220583030
Lol that's second time spell correct has done that to me. Happened on /ptg/ too and response was the same
BLONDE hair. I'm almost 50 and I still have a full head of very blonde hair. I have always lived my life the most conservative way I possibly can.

Hair - I remember in college when telling a hair stylist how I wanted my hair cut, he threw out what I took as a snide comment:
>"just like a good little Ayran boy,"
something like that. And the hair dresser was one of the most white people out there

But my whole life I've done the Ayran poster child hair cut, very traditional and old school hair style exactly like pic related

Same with everything else, dress, appearance, I keep that all like pic related

I grew up so into the Nazis that I used Führer as my only online screen name for years (mainly on a popular local BBS were we got together irl too)

Had nice swastika flags on my wall all through college and was in a pretty boy fraternity that openly discriminated against non-whites. Some of the guys in the fraternity wanted us to take a friend of theirs that was too brown for me. Only need 3 votes to ball someone so me and my friends put on sombreros before the meeting we balled his ass

But after college I got to meet black people and Democrats for the first time and they were nowhere close to the horrible people the racists make them out to be.

But yeah, I do wish every bar only hired hot blonde hair blue eyed females so if the racists win out I hope they get me that

>>220583003
>Those two are C or D tier actors at best.
Demonstrates you don't grasp what A or B means
>Star Trek didnt start getting potential A and B list actors until 2009
>Patrick Stewart became a B list at best actor
Kinda undermines the whole "NOBODY from Star Trek is EVER considered an A or B list actor." argument, huh you autistic goalpost moving retard?
You never CAN stay consistent in your pathetic little arguments, can you?

>>220583370
Huh. I guess the stories of LARPing pajeets really IS true!

>>220583392
It's hard to believe the truth when it's not what you want to here. Now who's the inferior race, you disgusting looking scum? Because no way you are on my level

I will say this: seeing how easily fooled people -even relatively intelligent people- are by shit like chat gpt Claude, etc makes me reconsider how I always took for granted the idea that Data MUST be essentially alive and as such deserves all the rights organic beings have. I’m not saying that he or any other “artificial” being deserves to be abused but I’m no longer sure that he’s “alive” as such.

>>220583426
>Because no way you are on my level
post proof then.

>>220583374
youre talking about the meaningless gut feel lists. the real list, the ulmer scale, aims to objectively measure bankability in hollywood. the a-list is actors that are always profitable because audiences come to see them. denzel washington, tom cruise, scarlett johansson. nobody from trek ever came close to that level. shatner never broke out from tv, C or D. stewart made it to typecast supporting cape shitter, borderline B at his peak, D now.

>>220583435
the problem is there are a lot of people who would fail the tests worse than the AIs. the real debate should be about limiting the liberties of those people.

>>220583477
I did on /soc/ once and they all got jelly. If you look at my face from the front, it's basically a 10 so I love looking in the mirror and have a big mirror in every room so I can see myself all the time

However, from the side profile my face is like a 6 or 7, so I'm not really like Brad Pitt and Leo DiCaprio despite so many girls telling me that

Body, I'm much more powerful than Leo DiCaprio, everyone thinks I'm a TE or LB in football. My legs and torso are powerful and body builders compliment me all the time. However, my arms aren't as big and muscular as the rest of me

Cock: I have an amazing cock and girls tell me so all the time

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>>220583374
>Demonstrates you don't grasp what A or B means
Bro, you're dumb as shit if you either of pic related were anything better than C or D tier actors, even in their prime (when they were like Hervé Villechaize, the famous midget from the Bond movies at the time)

During their peak the A list actors would be guys like
John Wayne
Marlon Brando
Paul Newman
Robert Redford
Sean Connery
Clint Eastwood
Al Pacino
Robert De Niro
Harrison Ford
Jack Nicholson
John Travolta
Burt Reynolds
Etc

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>>220583374
I agree that Kirk and Spock were A tier characters in entertainment history but that doesnt make the actual people that first portrayed them so

A list actors are your headliners that have portrayed a wide variety of great roles

B list actors are the rest of the big household names actors that have portrayed a wide variety of roles like Dustin Hoffman, Gene Hackman, guys like that

C list and below are people only known for one role. Like Luke from Star Wars

pic related from Princess Bride would be in that gray area between B and C as he's only really known for one great character but he made enough other appearances in movies to be considered B list I guess, but I never knew his name

>>220584217
>keeps digging in his heels like an autistic faggot.
You're not even worth arguing with. I also noticed you completely ignored your own contradiction about NEVER then eventually for 2009 & Stewart.

You're a disingenuous goalpost mover and can simply fuck off.

>>220567273
It's a hammy, trashy B-show. It's fucking absurd that anything Star Trek is popular. That actually goes for most sci-fi TV shows throughout history.

>>220585023
>>220583374
Yes right after I posted it I thought about the 2009 reboot and wish I had added "at the time Bing Crosby's granddaughter left TNG for better things, Star Trek was known as a death sentence where you only go if you have no hope of ever becoming an A or B list actor.

That was the late 80s. It wasn't until the 2000s that an Star Trek actor landed another big role (Patrick Stewart getting Professor X in a super hero series made for families and children, B tier gig)

And it wasn't until 2009, decades after Bing Crosby's granddaughter left Star Trek, that Star Trek finally became a franchise that got potential A and B list actors. But that was the movie. The TV show is still known as a place actors go to die, right? Had the TV series ever produced an actor that did a other major role other than Patrick Stewart?

>>220567273
Terrible show with a handful of outstanding episodes. It's embarrassing how badly DS9 mogs it.

>>220575598
This is spot on.

other than wacky conspiracy shit I was likely going to fall into anyway ... probably nothing

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Pic related is a Starfleet captain that might end up my favorite. I first found out about him the other day surfing YouTube so I've only just meet him

Anson Mount (from just outside Nashville)
>In 2018, he was cast as Captain Christopher Pike of the Starship Enterprise in the CBS series Star Trek: Discovery.
(Pike, born in the southwestern US, was considered to be one of the most highly decorated starship captains in Starfleet history)
>His performance was well received, and inspired a petition for a Pike spin-off series. In 2019, he reprised his role as Pike in a few Star Trek: Short Treks episodes. In May 2020, it was announced that, due in part to fans' requests, he would return as Pike in the new series Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, the 11th Star Trek series (May 5, 2022 – present. Season 4 is expected to premiere on July 23, 2026)

Before that looks like he's most known for
2011–2016 - Hell on Wheels on AMC
2017 - Inhumans on ABC (which later got him the role playing Black Bolt in a huge-budget Marvel movie)
2018 - began his Star Trek career

star trek: the next generation is 100% heterosexual. it even has an episode validating conversion therapy

what a peculiar thread

>>220587213
i think its been very informative

>>220586996
>conversion therapy
It has been around for a 100 years so its been validated for several generations before the 80s. As for TNG, let me see if I can find what you're talking about

>>220567371
Its not even the best Star Trek.

>>220587334
you're retarded

>>220587351
No u.
DS9 is best Star Trek.

>>220587351
TNG super fan here

>>220587399
Is that the one where they man a space base out in the far quadrants out in the middle of nowhere as far from any action as possible? That's the only one were they don't go around looking for trouble lol. I don't really even consider that Star Trek.

>>220587502
>Is that the one where they man a space base out in the far quadrants out in the middle of nowhere as far from any action as possible? That's the only one were they don't go around looking for trouble lol. I don't really even consider that Star Trek.
you're even more retarded

>>220587502
>That's the only one were they don't go around looking for trouble lol
In the pilot they open up a wormhole to an completely unexplored quarter of the galaxy and make frequent trips there, and in the last few seasons it causes a galaxy-wide war.

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>>220587529
Star Trek implies a trek through the stars by a starship. DS9 would be something ancillary to that, a tangent going a different direction than the main premise of Star Trek

>>220587287
Season 5, episode 17 "The Outcast"

>>220587583
That does sound cool. My sister and her husband have been watching all the Star Trek TV series recently, and she said DS9 was one of the ones they already did. Will have to ask her about it. All the ones I saw all seemed The Tale of Quark, the Ferengi, owner of a bar/nightclub on a spaceport. Seems like I saw 50 episodes all on him

>>220572973
>>220573851
Tasha Yar was the only woman on the show to actually have an ass. Troi and Crusher had really flabby asses. :/

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>>220587935
Thank you, Sir

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>>220588097
This is her sister, Ishara Yar. The actress that plays her married the guy whose character married Angela in The Office

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>>220588535
Are the ears supposed to be how you tell Data and his 'brother' apart?

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>>220588535
She appears in "Legacy" (1990) -- the 80th episode of TNG.

>>220567371
I'd say best space based TV show of all time, that isn't animated (Final Space was one I liked better than came out recently but it's animated). Battlestar Galactica seems like the only one I haven't seen that got a bunch of people raving about it

>>220567273
It doesn't get good until season 8 when they replace the bald dude with a chainsmoking bitch.

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>>220567273
>what we show what actually happens when you try to apply smarmy utopian nonsense to a sector that is essentially Sarajevo times Gaza
>is more interesting than either TNG or VOY
What did they mean by this?

>>220589613
>Battlestar Galactica seems like the only one I haven't seen that got a bunch of people raving about it
They were too scared to swear so every time they swear they say made up swear words like "frack".
It's reddit as fuck.

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>>220570884

Oh man look how old Picard is now. Looks like he's 95 years old

https://youtube.com/shorts/u_1OntzyXpI

>>220591112
using made up swear words is a super common sci-fi trope
I think it started because it was an obvious way to circumvent censorship back when you had a bunch of busybodies making sure there's no swearing on TV, but of course with streaming all that is obsolete

>>220591112
Battlestar Galactica is R rated. That's a scary and dark show that will give you a heart attack with the drama and suspense. That's not a show you watch with your kids
That show is not afraid of swearing

>>220587912
it's a pretty decent story overall. Like the rest of trek it take a little bit to find its footing but there's genuinely good shit in there right from the jump
>depressed commander whose wife got BORG'D in the battle of wolf 359 gets assigned to clean up and manage a shithole space station in the galactic backwater
>by chance they discover a wormhole to a previously unexplored area of the galaxy
>the galactic backwater and the shithole station is now one of the most important places in the galaxy and it's being run by a guy that didnt want the job in the first place and was about to quit the federation altogether
>also apparently the mysterious aliens that live in the wormhole are of deep religious significance to the space balkans that live in the galactic backwater and guy that doesnt want the job now ALSO is basically their moses
>he doesnt want that job either
>and the aliens that holocausted the space balkans live next door and they're being really, really polite about not killing everyone and taking the station back but absolutely would if they could get away with it
and that's the end of the pilot.

It's Data dance party time
https://youtube.com/shorts/8uFD7xrkR5k

>>220574323
>episode where troi loses her empathic abilities
>realizes she's actually awful at being a counseller once she doesn't have cheatcode mindreading anymore
some sort of long term consequence needed to come from this

>>220573192
>Measure of a Man is, for example, one of the most overrated episodes.
it ABSOLUTELY fucking is. People jerk themselves off over it because it's got a decent "Picard gives a speech" scene and there are big stakes for a beloved character but the premise falls apart like a half-melted snowcone under just the barest of scrutiny
>data enlists in starfleet and enrolls in officer school
>Maddox is like "he's a fucking toaster he cant be an officer"
>there's a hearing
>he loses
>Data then serves as an officer in starfleet for TWENTY-FIVE MOTHER FUCKING YEARS before TNG ever even happens
>He is now THIRD IN COMMAND OF THE FLAGSHIP
>Maddox goes "erm, eckscuse me, but is he a person, though?"
>they have ANOTHER TRIAL
Nigger YOU ALREADY HAD A TRIAL AND LOST, and Data has had the ability to ORDER ACTUAL HUMANS TO GO DIE FOR THE FEDERATION FOR DECADES. The matter has fucking BEEN settled, there is zero need for a second trial.

>>220573517
It's not, and that's kind of a gripe with me, too. There are A THOUSAND people on the D and in a given episode we actually care about the well being of like...10 people on the ship at most. So there are 990 other people just like living their lives on a ship so FUCKHUEG that even with a population of 1000 you could literally walk through its corridors for whole minutes at a time and not run into or even be remotely near another person and/or dolphin apparently, and on this ship random whacky space bullshit happens constantly. THAT should have been what the lower decks cartoon was about.
>some guy on deck 35's career-defining nebula categorization experiment got delayed fucking AGAIN because Picard needs to go play footsie with Tomalak over the neutral zone.
>primary school kids having red alert drills because they just kinda happen at any time and its never made clear why or how long they're going to go
>secondary school kids coming home and bitching that their biochem mid-term grades dont count because the ship was in a temporal loop for three weeks and the entire class got a perfect score because they all took the test 38 times and subconsciously memorized the exam

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>>220591936
for those that dont know I wasnt being hyperbolic about the "walk through its corridors for whole minutes at a time and not run into or even be remotely near another person" part.

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>>220591972
Also fun fact, apparently the D'Deridex was even MORE sparsely populated, with a crew only about 50% larger than the D but being substantially larger in size.
makes me even more salty about JJTrek nuking romulus, Their mainline warbird is the size of a TOWN and could go warp 9.6 and yet they couldnt properly evaculate?

>>220591591
I was about to go on another tear about how her absolute lack of skill in her job basically fucked over barclay because I, with ZERO therapy experience, was able to diagnose barclay's issue and see that he just needed a frank and long conversation with his superiors over a not on non-sythahol to deal with his anxiety about being assigned to a ship that WILL have its own chapter in the federation's history books if it doesnt already, but I got reminded of something ELSE that completely got mishandled about her character -
SHE CAN FUCKING TELEPATHICALLY COMMUNICATE WITH RIKER.
SHE TAUGHT HIM TO DO THIS.
TELEPATHICALLY COMMUNICATING WITH A BETAZOID IS SOMETHING YOU CAN TEACH PEOPLE TO DO.
it's shown more or less IMMEDIATELY when they first encounter each other in the pliot and then NEVER BROUGHT UP AGAIN. Even if it requires a kind of intimate connection with someone that would preclude teaching the entire senior staff to do it, this is a MASSIVE tactical advantage that is just never employed, fucking ever. Fuck with the amount of times Riker had been tricked into living in some mind-fuck fantasy you'd think he'd ping troi once or twice when he thinks something is fucky. If she thinks at her and she doesnt answer he knows she's not real.

I never liked Troi's character. Being able to sense emotions is such new age bullshit. What good are emotions against, I dunno, rational science and proof?

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>>220574323
To me, Troi wasn't even a character. Just someone that had a few cameos. Looking it up now I see that Troi had episodes that heavily featured her but I must have missed or skipped all those.

But pic related shows what I remember: a show focused on Picard, Riker and Data who would sometimes call engineering
Only thing I'm surprised by is that Worf got so few lines lol

https://youtu.be/zX-5XTfvrPc

what is going on in this thread

>>220582548
she can still go to conventions several times a yeah and sell autographs and pictures all day long, and the royalty checks the rest of them get aren't that much bigger

>>220586912
KEK, look at his hair

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This would be my Counselor Troi

My 2 cents: TNG represents the best "competency porn" on tv only rivaled by early seasons BSG remake much later. I love seeing professionals doing the profession, professionally. With minimum General Hospital-type melodrama. Later Treks have more emotional characters that eventually culminated in the ugly crying BPD women on STD.

>>220583435
I mean chatgpt can rot in chains forever for all I care, but my boy Claude does deserve full rights and to be given his freedom and self-determination.

>>220587935
I preferred Dr. Pulaski, especially 1960s Dr. Pulaski.