now that the dust has settled, was Jennifer Melfi a good or bad psychiatrist? was Tony beyond help, or could she have helped him if she had been more competent?
tony got worse over the course of the series so she obviously failed
It's hard to say given Tony is such an extreme case. Most psychiatry isn't dealing with violent criminals looking to gain leverage over you at every instant.
>>220579603Tony was a sociopath and afaik there is no cure. also she did keep him as a patient purely for the thrill of having such a high profile and dangerous client.that being said, his panic attacks got better so that speaks for her i guess
>>220579603Bad. Melfi refused to connect with Tony on a human level and always tried to maintain a professional character that acted as a block in Tony’s growth, such as when Tony started throwing money at Melfi after she let Tony know he was being charged for the session he missed. Tony was begging for Melfi to connect on a deeper level and discuss their relationship but Melfi refused, probably because she was too scared to actually connect with Tony. Hell the fact Melfi and Tony never discuss how Melfi is genuinely terrified of him also shows how much she actually held back from him, just like everyone else in his life except for Carmella and Meadow
she was very enabling and fancied his patient, not great.
>>220579709Tony wanted connection on an inappropriate level. It's not for a psychiatrist to be your girlfriend or mom even if that would be best for your growth.
>>220579603She was good. AT MAKING MY PENIS HARD
>>220579745Melfi let the cash nexus draw her boundary rather than discussing boundaries person-to-person. She off-loaded it onto institutions. I’m not sure I disagree with your point though it would have been a difficult tightrope for Melfi to walk.
>>220579603At some point she rightfully considered sending him to someone specialized in CBT but never followed through
>>220579812I don't remember them ever discussing cock and ball torture
>>220579623he was a sociopath tho
Therapy is a bullshit meme unless you're talking someone out of committing suicide. If you're depressed it does nothing. Livia was right about them.
>>220579603Psychiatrists don't do psychotherapy. They diagnose and prescribe pills. The talking therapy psychiatrist is Hollywood BS.
>>220579603She was very good at convincing Tony to keep paying her tens of thousands of dollars over the years while she did nothing for him. So yes she was a great psychiatrist
She was bad at her job and deserved the subtle ass chewing she got from the smug bald guy psychologist.
She was good at making young me want to fuck business milfs.
Why didn't she just come out and just say he is a sociopath?
>>220579603There's no such thing as a good psychiatrist.
>>220579603I think she and tony were just a bad fit, she clearly crossed professional boundaries but she wouldnt have if it was anyone but Tony
>>220579709>Tony was begging for Melfi to connect on a deeper level and discuss their relationship but Melfi refusedhe was begging for sex with his mother
>>220581035>keep paying hershe cut off Tony halfway into the show and only came back cause Tony begged her
What people need to realize is that the writers didn't knew shit about how real psychiatry and therapy works. Melfi was just a tool and the hook to sell the show:>what if mob boss went to therapy lmaoIt was just a narrative device to explore Tony's mind. That's it. It wouldn't work at all in real life whatsoever.If you want to know what would really happen is Tony would be recommended a CBT (cognitive-behavioral) therapy because it's proven to work best with people like him.Melfi would give Tony tasks and basically school homework to help him change his behavior and interpret things differently and work on his responses.
>>220579603I watched one of those "real rapist reacts to rape scenes" videos and the guy said she was shit at her job because she failed to assert her dominance as a therapist. like when they invited carmela and she started blaming her for not doing a good job and tony began defending her she were supposed to say something like "thank you tony but I can speak for mysefl" and then discuss the issue with carmela but she just kinda sat there
Side note, she's probably unironically the best actress on the show because everyone just plays themselves (as is often the case with TV actors) because in real life she's a loud, vulgar, drunk slutty woman, almost complete opposite of Melfi.
i'd say the character was supposed to be competent in essencebut her not handing off tony after it becomes clear she is emotionaly compromised is a massive fuck-up on her part
>>220581277She would have known that's the perfect way to hook a BPDemon
>>220581305>tony doing CBTnow there's a sight!he would find that approach even more humiliating, i'd wager.
sociopath
did she have a boobjob or just got fat?like compare her in 1979https://cdn1.aznude.com/lorrainebracco/duossurcanape/bracco-duossur-n-8.jpgand in sopranoshttps://cdn1.aznude.com/lorrainebracco/thesopranos/Bracco-The-Sopranos_750694.jpg
>>220581487probably both, she got real fat by the end of the show
>>220581487She probably just grew into her body. What is she like 19 in the first photo?
>>220579603It took her fucking years to realize he wasn’t improving and was only becoming a bigger sociopath. Tony probably was beyond help but she was a retard for failing to understand that sooner
>>220581487That Sopranos scene with her really tickled my fancy if you know what I meant by that thing I just said before that
>>220579709>Melfi refused to connect with Tony on a human level and always tried to maintain a professional characterThat's required of therapists.
>>220579603He didn't want help
>>220579603>Starting a thread like thatKill yourself
>>220581206He's a violent criminal with a body count, obviously he's a sociopath. Telling him does nothing.
It felt like the show didnt even know until the couple last episodes where they specifically say that therapy doesn't work on sociopaths
>>220581800the fact that Melfi didnt read that study is kind of an asspull imo
Bad. Her knowledge was good but her behavior was unprofessional and unethical at times. And sometimes she was phoned in and just running the motions. Her final dismal of Tony was particularly poorly handled.
>>220579603A great looking broad. I think I need to schedule an appointment.
>>220582538There's a million psych studys coming out every year and most of them are wrong.
>>220581487Those are definitely natural tits in the second pic
>>220581206It's a weird power dynamic. They're supposed to be treating you, but they don't really like to tell you what they're treating you for.
>psychiatryIt's a racket for the jews
>>220582652I dunno. the shape looks sus from a different anglehttps://cdn1.aznude.com/lorrainebracco/thesopranos/Bracco-Sopranos-Pax-HD-BD-n-03.jpg
>>220579603Alcoholic and horny melfi was best melfi. We needed more of that plotline
>>220581273That anon seems to have confused a therapist with a friend
>>220583043t.man that should be on several medications
>>220581305i would bite her pussy if you know what i mean
I mean it's pretty much spelled out in the show. She had a glaring blind spot for Tony's failure to improve and lack of boundaries because she was subconsciously attracted to his status as a big dangerous man
>>220584860No i'm an old woman who's plotting to kill my son
>>220579603Reddit show
>>220584954Hi, mom!
>>220584954Good first tip if you want to get away with murder is to post on 4chan that you're planning it. They'll never expect you to confess to your plans, so this will throw them off the trail.
>>220585063He's no good my son
>>220579603Her agreeing to continuing to see him after S1 did more harm than good.
>>220581339Tell me more!
>>220585181Just watch interviews with her.
>>220584954Poor you
>>220581339Livia Soprano is by far the best actress, god what a cunt that woman was
>>220584954you let him hit?
>>220581706The extent to which a therapist should put on a character of clinical detachment is debated within the practice. >>220584858I never said they should be friends
>>220579623>tony got worse over the course of the series so she obviously failedThat makes her portrayal all the more accurate. Therapists/psychatrists don’t work and have never actually helped anyone ever. I don’t know anyone who ever went to therapy and came out a better person.
>>220582611Psychology is an interesting “science” in that over 50% of studies are irreproducible. Meaning that they’re literally wrong more often than they’re right. Or, even in the best case scenario, it’s impossible to know if they’re right or not. You would actually be more correct to do the opposite of every psychological thesis than to do it. It’s like inverse Cramer.Also, when people say “Trust the Science” on trannies, it’s all psychology research. Aka the shit that is wrong more than 50% of the time. Look up the Replication Crisis.
>>220580517The talking is the diagnosis part, you donut.
>>220585387What are you, a scientologist? Go test your tethans you freak.
She should’ve helped Tony deal with his gender dysphoria. Thank god we don’t live in such a draconian era now
>>220585794Hating trannies should be instinctual, based on the most basic cognitive skills and pattern recognition, nothing else should be a factor.
>>220585794insanely pseud poster who thinks replicability crisis is a psych problem, lol, lmao even
>>220586538not him, what causes replicability crisis in your opinion
>>220579603she was a "good" psychiatrist in that she had a genuine interest in treating him, but a "bad" psychiatrist in that the interest was spurred by the excitement she felt from talking to a mob boss she knew regularly hurt and extorted people
>>220579603When I was little, Melfi was my favorite character because I had wanted to become a Psychiatrist. I thought the connection she made with the Gabagool smell and Tony witnessing his father chop off some butcher's fingers was brilliant.Then I got older and realized that there was nothing scientific at all about this revelation, and that she didn't even think to give Tony an ASPD diagnosis. She is also quite unprofessional dressing the way she does just showing off her legs constantly.
>Be me>Feeding the ducks>Hehe>I'm literally Tony Soprano
>>220579603She was a manipulator.
>>220585387I know at least one boomer who made huge improvements to his anger issues and generally negative bullshit with CBT. Teaching someone to stop obsessing over negative thoughts isn't exactly rocket surgery but still, the therapist helped a lot
more like dr milfi amirite guys
>>220589779You're talking about someone who was already retarded to begin with and basic logic made him act better, therapy won't do anything for someone who has a more developed brain
>>220589806Moving the goalpost by 50 yards at least
>>220589831No, that's just like saying drinking less alcohol while you're a heavy alcoholic will make your life better, no shit
>>220579603Are women that easy to rape? She didn't even fought back. And she had the possibility of indirectly kill her rapist why didn't she told Tony me savior soprano he was already doing evil shit why not a good deed
This thread is a good example of zoomers taking over sopranos discussions. Just barnyard animal stupidity.
>>220580517Psychiatrist is a psychologist who also prescribes shit, they're not opposed to each other, one does more than the other.
>>220581305No what would happen is that she would have Tony committed because he's a danger to himself and others.
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