>if the film was different, people would react differently
no shit

>>220599731
...werewolf?

it's weird that you think the main actor is unattractive in any way

did you notice that the guy nikki sleeps with is the taller but uglier one? fatter. weaker face. what did you take away from that? the thing to notice is that ian is not nearly as neurotic and bear is, not that ian is more physically attractive.

>>220599731
>a 6'3" shredded billionaire werewolf
He wouldn't need the wish to begin with, are you retarded?

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Looking good, Susan.

>>220599731
Alright anons, is this actually worth something or is it just another overhyped horror flick?

>>220599731
Isn't that 50 shades of grey?

The guy "decides" the woman is his and she basically has to he trained to be owned by him?

This movie relied heavily on loud screaming to get its scares across. Its like
80% ear rape/jumpscare horror
10% body horror
10% other

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fun movie
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>"he's a gross incel loser"
>acts like normal dude and doesn't ever try to make her do fucked up things and despite being mind-controlled into loving him she still manages to be fully in charge
what a lame ass movie
it would've been better if he was a real creep and made her dress up like some flavor of the month gacha waifu and dance around until she passes out

>>220600678
Not to side with the reddit goblinas that say he raped her but he shouldn't have bitched out at the start of the movie when she gave him a chance to share his feelings

>>220600748
the movie should've been about him fucking her constantly but realizing he's a maladjusted shithead and sex doesn't actually compensate for his utter inability to actually connect with her
which then brings her wrath upon him, because in wishing for her to love him, without realizing he's too autistic to love her back, he has doomed himself to her becoming less and less stable and eventually murderous

>>220600899
how is that not exactly what happened in your mind?

>>220600678
it would not have been better if he's a deranged unrelatable deviant pervert no. this was way more poignant and real and no he did not act "normal" he was the ultimate cowardly entitled opportunist

>>220600899
True, part of me wishes it would've gone darker with it. Normies would probably call the movie a rape fetishizing movie if they did make him a creep.. The worst thing he does is have that short little chud speech about "is it really so bad being with me" when the real nikki cries out to him

>>220600990
>how is that not exactly what happened in your mind?
because he acts like a normal guy, if slightly nervous, and the wish-controlled girl who is "in love" with him acts like a fucked up psycho immediately in a way that weirds him out
Why is the first thing that happens when she's suddenly in love with him a weird lie about her dad dying and not just "hey what's up" ?
I know the writer director is a fucking zoomer but jesus christ

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>>220601089
I don't know what the director being a zoomer has to do with your point. she lies about the dad to explain away his concern about her trying to immediately sleep with him. but returning to your prior post
>realizing he's a maladjusted shithead and sex doesn't actually compensate for his utter inability to actually connect with her
which then brings her wrath upon him
that is what I feel happens, she acts as a mirror of twisted "love" to his own twisted infatuation revealing its contradictions and inadequacies. much of her behavior is not thaaat far off very real maladjusted and mentally ill partners which would shatter his illusory puppy love.

>>220602161
>I don't know what the director being a zoomer has to do with your point.
because the movie feels like it was made by a guy who's never dated or had sex
outside of the wish-based mechanics not making sense and the relationship itself being forced, the movie treats the idea of a relationship itself as some foreign, unknowable concept
for example:
>to explain away his concern about her trying to immediately sleep with him
that's weird and doesn't make any sense
I get the guy is a virgin loser or whatever, but I too was a virgin loser until a girl just said "we should fuck" and I was like "uh what uh I I uh what" but there did not need to be some weird pretext for the act, maybe because it was the late 00s, I don't know
It's just immediately strange and put me in an overly analytical mode for the rest of the movie
I keep this discussion with people
He did specifically wish for LOVE
The movie is called obsession, the girl behaves more like she has a weird, asexual, alien from mars sort of obsessive interest in him, but at no point does it ever read as love, which is what he wished for
If he had flippantly wished for her to, perhaps "more obsessed with me than I am with her, lol" immediately you have carte blanche to whatever the fuck you want
but he did say "love" and she does not behave that way, and the classic "be careful what you wish for" parable doesn't really apply

>yet another incel thread on /tv/
Kill yourself

>>220602336
okay your nitpick about her alien behavior being somewhat incoherent exhibitions of "love" is accurate but I fail to see how that's a problem and we've shifted from the initial point we were discussing about whether the film shattered his illusion and revealed his contradictions.
She does exhibit a limited understanding of humanity and love but that's not a flaw of the film as it still is able to touch on many forms of toxic behaviors and relationship dynamics from anxious attachment, unhealthy COdependency, dealing with a bipolar or abusive or controlling partner, trying to change yourself for someone else, coercion etc. I'd say the writer understood relationships plenty and fully revealed the why Bear's initial attitudes of cowardice, entitlement and objectification can lead to real harm when those types are given opportunity.

Glad I didn't watch this movie. Peak cattle slop.


Will watch backrooms instead. That's some prime gentile material.

I have some questions
Why does the love demon make her act like a retarded kid shitting herself and drawing all over the walls?
Why is he able to talk to the real her on the phone? Is the real Nikki in Hell? Why did the aspect of being able to call the real her never get brought up again?
It was definitely a demonic entity right? Because in the scene where she's hiding behind the boxes wearing the chuds sweater, her face looks insanely distorted. Also sometimes her voice becomes either an old lady voice or a deep booming demonic voice.
Why was there a scene of chud arguing with a hospital worker? That scene made no sense to me at all because 1. if it was implying the hospital thinks hes abusing her, they'd still take her into the emergency room. 2. even if she was acting like a retard (she was, because she was dancing around) they'd still take her in anyways because she's clearly injured. They could have at least let the audience hear what chud and the nurse were arguing about.

>>220602632
yes, I understand that you mostly accept the movie on its own terms
I do not, which is why I presented the alternative where he words his wish poorly, in some other way, that thus negates the weirdness of her not actually seeming to love him at all, even in a "crazy" way, despite that being his wish
or the option I mentioned even earlier, where HIS flaws more directly contribute to the "horror" rather than him being fairly sedate from the jump whereas she's immediately in sicko mode in a way that even a non-virgin weirdo wouldn't be able to handle
a third option:
there is no wish, she gets massive brain damage and now suffers from erratic mood swings and borderline behavior patterns that require severe pharmaceutical intervention, but given that she is insane and hostile, she flees from the people who actually care, and hides at his place, and he being a dummy who's only interested in her for superficial reasons, puts up with her unhinged bullshit at his own peril because he just wants to fuck her, and she's not in her right mind, so she's fine with that but also kills animals and people because her brain is fucked

>>220602746
>act like a retarded kid
I get that this seems disconnected from the wish of love but it's one, obviously because it's "creepy" and two, shows that the entity's understanding of how to act human is so deeply wrong which keeps you destabalized and unsure what the rules of the game are for what she'll do and how far she'll go - I think that's a huge ingredient to it's success as most horror you get a good idea of ground rules and limitations on the possibility space pretty quickly which diminishes the potential for shock and terror if you conceivably know what to expect.

was it a demonic entity? well people have cited the director saying it was not a demon but I think he's just saying you know this isn't a religious connotation of hell and autonomous demons being drag and dropped into her, it's not her struggling for salvation of her soul with a fully formed oppositional force. to me it's more like metaphysical parasite or incomplete malicious software code that's just as retarded as AI when it comes to fully understanding how to be human but it can present a poor simulacrum.

the hospital. yeah I've seen healthworkers say she'd be 5150d and admitted but movies gotta movie and if she says she's fine maybe they let her go with some stitches. the background argument at least lets you know there was a disagreement about it. I don't recall, is it more likely Bear was trying to get her admitted or released at that moment?

>>220599731
Productive obsession is attractive
Incel obsessions are repulsive

>>220599731
If my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle

>>220603288
The phone call scene was one of the most interesting aspect of the movie only to never be brought up again. Also if I were Bear I'd call that number and ask to talk to purgatory Nikki in front of the other friends so they'd believe me.

>>220603230
I'm not compelled that your argument is somehow a better film when it still accomplishes that (his flaws are extremely instrumental to everything that happens) and this is the horror genre not a grounded drama but hey it's an opinion.

>>220603288
>I get that this seems disconnected from the wish of love but it's one, obviously because it's "creepy"
it's creepy, sure, but it IS completely disconnected from love or romance or sexuality
there are plenty of movies about dating some kind of spooky murderous woman and any one of them pulls the concept off better, even when they're not supernatural
it's just a random grab bag of possession tropes that don't coalesce with what the movie is about
if you wish for a girl to be in love with you, and the wish mechanic is going to (for some reason) replace her soul (or whatever) with another, then presumably that new soul should come from some kind of sexual entity rather than just an aimless chaotic presence that just does weird shit and doesn't seem interested in an "evil" love, let alone a normal relationship that becomes hostile after a honeymoon period

>>220603389
yeah, I mean it really sells that she is trapped and suffering but I didn't put much stock in any implications beyond that. some people are going way off the deep end on LORE analysis I think is kind of silly

>>220601423
Nikki owes me sex

>>220603452
that's better argued and fair sure but that is simply a different kind of movie, I don't think you can ignore her behaviors functionality I mentioned in a genre context and the fact is the film largely works at what it's trying to do, the degree to which it effectively freaked people the fuck out while getting the message across has it in horror of the decade conversations.

>>220603412
you're really focused on him, but he barely matters and could matter more in specific ways that I described before
aside from the wish he does nothing notably good or bad other than go along with it, he could be any type of character and the random shit she does would make just as much sense, because it is random
he's not pathetic enough or sociopathic enough for there to be any real conclusion other than the generic "well he wished for a girl to lose her autonomy and that's bad" or whatever but that's merely the premise of the movie, and most people are just going to accept that part immediately as a matter of course
he's too regular, and she's too crazy

>>220600630
she should be in more movies.

>>220603533
this but demonic nikki

>>220603288
so the director is saying

"I WANNA USE DEMONS AND DEMON POSSESSION IN MY MOVIE
BIT IM AM ATHEIST AND MY AUDIENCE ARE CYNICAL ATHEISTS SO ITS NOT REALLY A REAL DEMON BUT ACTS EXACTLY LIKE A DEMON, BUT I DINT BELIEVE IN GOD OR SATAN SO ITS NOT A DEMON

right?

>>220603563
no no no the critique of his flaws is way more instrumental than that.

His awkwardness is masking his cowardice. And his cowardice is protecting his ego. And his ego is fueling his entitlement to Nikki's sexual and romantic affections. And his entitlement is driving his decision to steal her personhood. Because if he controls her, she can never say no. And if she never says it, then he's still just an "awkward guy" who finally got the girl.

If he was honest with her in the beginning, she might have turned him down ruining his fantasy and wounding his ego. Look at the lengths he's willing to go to avoid the mere possibility of confronting that rejection. It starts small with the cowardice to confess, then evading direct questions, he withholds personal information from his friends, and he lies by omission.

The consequences of his actions and most crucially, inaction, make his fantasy life increasingly inconvenient until it's beyond his control. He avoids, withholds, and lies right up until he ODs. If he still had agency in that moment, he was going to back out of that, too.

>>220599731
Why do goycattle watch this slop?

>>220603688
uhh no, "demon" just comes with a lot of irrelevant associations and implications that would distract from the story being told.

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for me it's Obsession (1976)

>>220603722
>His awkwardness is masking his cowardice. And his cowardice is protecting his ego. And his ego is fueling his entitlement to Nikki's sexual and romantic affections. And his entitlement is driving his decision to steal her personhood. Because if he controls her, she can never say no. And if she never says it, then he's still just an "awkward guy" who finally got the girl.
Except he has little to no agency from the beginning, and is more reactive to her than active in his "control"
>If he was honest with her in the beginning, she might have turned him down ruining his fantasy and wounding his ego. Look at the lengths he's willing to go to avoid the mere possibility of confronting that rejection. It starts small with the cowardice to confess, then evading direct questions, he withholds personal information from his friends, and he lies by omission.
but in practice this is like if he found a suit case full of money, brought it hope, no one ever came looking for it, he spent maybe 200 bucks once, and then that's it
>The consequences of his actions and most crucially, inaction, make his fantasy life increasingly inconvenient until it's beyond his control. He avoids, withholds, and lies right up until he ODs. If he still had agency in that moment, he was going to back out of that, too.
I find this entire viewpoint flawed and this is not deft enough movie where inaction can speak for itself, or where the verisimilitude of a youngish meek dude with wishy-washy personality can work
He should've been creepier in the sense this a movie and he should be somewhat heightened, and she should've been brought down from the level of pissing her pants and spazzing out verbally
and this is me ignoring my overarching problems with how this "wish" worked (because it didn't)

>>220603848
>not deft enough movie where inaction can speak for itself
most people got it just fine including yourself as you said
>Except he has little to no agency from the beginning, and is more reactive to her than active in his "control"


if you make him too creepy and degenerate than the salience of the critique is not as poignant as someone flawed but relatable and he was relatable and even sympathetic to many people let alone those that recognized themselves and are actively defending and rationalizing his behavior

>>220599799
If the character is hot
Negative behavior becomes positive
Women and fags actually think this

>>220603955
>most people got it just fine including yourself as you said
except the general reaction is
>wow, it's hard being a woman
platitude type shit, and how men are evil and "I bet most men would want to do this"
>if you make him too creepy and degenerate than the salience of the critique is not as poignant as someone flawed but relatable and he was relatable and even sympathetic to many people let alone those that recognized themselves and are actively defending and rationalizing his behavior
I do think that was the intent, but unfortunately the horror audience is packed with fags and women and tourists and all of those types on twitter are just seeing red over the idea of a woman being mind-controlled
and the point about how the mind control makes no sense and doesn't work is completely lost
For example he needed to fuck her more, plain and simple, but that argument won't even be entertained most places because it would've been """"rape"""" but it factors in to my earlier point about the zoomer-ness of the writer director showing through, I don't think he could separate his own morals from the story in a way that I feel needed to happen for this story to pack an actual punch and not be this year's Weapons where nobody's gonna fucking care about by the end of the year

>>220604066
that's not the reaction I'm seeing but I'm not on TikTok so idk
also there is an explicit rape sex scene so?? it's implied he's doing it all the time.

>>220604066
I will grant you I've heard of the director speaking about being inspired to make a film about toxic codependent relationships and the various wrinkles on that are there but if he wanted that to be the focus it is getting appreciated but definitely overshadowed by the narrative about Bear. I think that reaction is right just wonder what he intended

What do the people talking about "his inaction" want him to do though, kill himself to undo the curse? I don't believe he deserves to die for having a crush and making a wish via a toy that happened to be real (the zoomette modern audience certainly does though). Kill her? It's a lose lose for both the story (he'll go to prison) and audiences viewpoint because that'll just make them hate him even more for "literally raping and murdering a poor woman!!" He is a bit of a retard for not trying harder to undo the wish, like you have a box full of those wish toys and your friends just saw her hit herself with a bottle, kinda retarded the friends never believed bear.

>>220604149
there's one but it's pretty tame and again it's just the power of the wish being shitty and inconsistent
why is she only every super interested in him verbally but not physically? at a certain point, she should be "raping" him, instead of just spazzing out because he doesn't look at her enough but then go physically limp or revert back to normal when he's kissing/banging her and feel like she's in hell or whatever
why is she on the phone but then also is still trapped inside her own body which is being controlled by ????????? whatever the fuck, but can also just jump back into half-way being in control during physical contact but not really when she's self-mutilating, she's willing to kill people but not get naked and proposition him? it doesn't work
the guy wants to make a show about this one-wish-willow thing which I guess would all just be poorly thought out parables about greed or lust or whatever where your wish doesn't actually work for arbitrary reasons that don't really make sense and then you kill yourself at the end

>>220599731
yea femoids would finger there cunts while watching iy it was chad.. but bluepilled anons will cope and seethe wehn you point it out.

>>220604298
I could get on board with a late scene of her raping him in a similar kind of film, but idk then maybe you're tipping the scales a little too hard centering him as the primary sympathetic victim

saw someone say it'd be interesting to see how audience reactions would differ if Bear was gay and used it on another dude.

yeah I'm not interested in a sequel or show about the One Wish Willow but there's plenty of other classic EC comic premises to pull from! Not that the TV version of Creepshow turned out any good but I do miss Tales From the Crypt. can't even get a bluray let alone reboot

>wish for a new car
>random guy drives up to my house, gets out of his car, and shoots himself in the head on my lawn
>cops show up, sweat me for 8 hours thinking I had something to do with the murder
>impound the car indefinitely
>credits roll
>I'm supposed to have learned a lesson from this experience

>>220604426
*if Bear is gay and used it on a straight dude to be clear

>>220600271
Ian also gives him shit advice to win nikki over. Dude has the whole nice guy thing on lock with nikki.

>>220600678
>fully in charge
Did you miss the phone scene?

>>220604426
I keep comparing it to Companion, which is another dumb movie that I disliked, where the point was to be about how dudes abuse women using a girlfriend robot as the stand-in
But then the movie was about trying to frame the robot for murder instead of just being an abusive boyfriend to your robot gf because you think it doesn't matter, but it actually does because she DOES have feelings, or whatever

>>220604262
idgi either

>>220604493
by in charge I mean he has no control over her, regardless of if it's really her or whatever the excuse for her behavior is
he's reactive, not proactive
it's like he somehow blackmailed a bi-polar girl with daddy issues into being his GF and she likes him 25% of the time and for the other 75% of the time she's just a psycho who hates him but doesn't ever leave

>Man makes a wish for woman to love him and it goes wrong (she goes mental)
The man is le creepy rapist, he shouldnt have wished for her!!
>Woman makes a wish for a man to love her and it goes wrong (he goes mental)
The man is le creepy rapist, she only wanted to be loved how did she know the wish was gonna make him crazy!!

>>220604612
who are you quoting?

>>220604262
I mean I agree with you about the final ultimatum, but the inaction flaw is instrumental near every step of the way. tries to "alter" the wish not change it, tries to hide things and make it work as long as possible until it's out of his control

>>220604701
*cancel

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Who would (you) wish for? For me it's Kat Dennings.

>>220599731
if the actresses for nikki and sarah were swapped i myself would have seen it ten times in a row, leaking all over myself about how hot and romantic it is

>>220605050
>>220605238
I would've wished for Nikki and Sarah to be my mentally sane and healthy, loving harem.
Simple as

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>>220605050
Why would you wish for just one woman? I better wish would be "I wish that every woman I find attractive would also be attracted to me." Then you can have any woman you want.

>>220599731
Is this in the cinemas or is it available for streaming already?

>>220599799
So you're saying women's perception of a man changes from him being an evil rapist to him being a dreamboat based solely on his looks. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but I would say that's a very compelling argument for not allowing women to vote in major elections.

>>220605330
I would wish for infinite wishes.

>>220605330
how simplistic and basic, you fucking monkey
you can manifest anything at will and your wish for your dick to get wet

>>220605330
What if you don't actually find a woman attractive and just pretend because she looks like a woman that people would generally find attractive? Like people who pretend to like coffee or football?

>>220605843
most people here aren't that autistic

>>220599731
is this dare i say a trvthnvke

>>220605827
That's all life is about Mr. Zen-Budhist monk.

>>220605774
There were some screenshots floating around about how some dude created a fake dating profile which included the bio that he went to jail because of rape and sexual violence etc. and used a shredded male models pictures.
Tons of woman wanted to date him, he treated them like crap in their messages and straight up told them what he did wasnt a troll.
They didnt care.

>>220600314
Yes

>>220604262
>What do the people talking about "his inaction" want him to do though, kill himself to undo the curse?
You say this like it's a totally unreasonable option. Even if it was by accident he was the one who cursed her and it is in fact up to him to take responsibility for that somehow, "deserved" has nothing to do with it. It's a last resort for sure, but I don't think you can take it off the table, morally speaking.
> He is a bit of a retard for not trying harder to undo the wish
The big problem however is this. It's not that he doesn't try hard enough, he barely tries at all. When he calls the number he first tries to alter the wish rather than cancelling it. He could have called back or gone to the store and did some investigating, since everyone he talked to about this was pretty forthcoming with information. Could have gone online again, seen if he can find anyone else who has had experience with the wishing stick and if they could help. He puts all of these options off however because he doesn't actually want to do them. He wants to believe the real Nikki really loves him and avoids anything that would suggest otherwise for as long as possible. If he had gone to the store immediately after realizing the wish was real he has a much better chance of reversing the wish without anyone getting hurt, he instead immediately goes home to have sex with his magically brainwashed or possessed girlfriend and does barely anything else about it until she kills someone.
>>220604426
>I could get on board with a late scene of her raping him in a similar kind of film, but idk then maybe you're tipping the scales a little too hard centering him as the primary sympathetic victim
Yeah this would sort of defeat the entire point. It could perhaps work to say "he doesn't have a problem with what he has done until it starts to affect him personally" but I think her killing people achieves that a lot better.

>>220600314
it was pretty scary, especially if loud noises get to you

>>220599731
>6'3" shredded billionaire werewolf
He wouldn’t *need* the wish.

>>220605287
high T

>>220605827
let me guess, you'd wish to kys?

>>220600302
Awoo, you're sweet!

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>>220605050
For me, it's Chase Infiniti.

why didn't he use another wish baton to kill her or turn her back to normal or something

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>>220599731
Did she kill the cat? Cats can't open pill bottles.

>Nikki and Ian were hooking up
>Ian was encouraging him to make a move on Nikki
>Nikki knew he liked her and led him on
They all deserve what they got

>>220609302
But the cat was innocent

>>220609389
Cat died of natural causes

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>>220609151
>You only get ONE WISH

>>220600899
That’s literally the movie you homo

>>220599731
Except the main character is already quite attractive and even fit, huge miscast for a loser incel that wants a hot girl to love him

>>220605330
What if you find your sister attractive?

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>>220610410
She would find you attractive too. And you get to have hot, steamy taboo incest sex with your sister.

>>220610348
you say that yet I've been arguing with other incels that say it makes sense he was too afraid to confess because she's clearly so out of his league lookswise that he knows he has no chance LOL