>original lore: Jack was an EITC captain who freed slaves and got his burned ship back through a debt with Davy Jones>nu-lore: um actually he was always a pirate, he just inherited everything from a dying pirate captain the writers for the 5th movie were complete retards, it genuinely makes zero sense with the canon
>>220601629only the first film is good so who cares
>>220601629>The internet used to be a bigger place.
to this day I have no idea what they meant by this line
>>220601719They killed diversity
>>220601719Industry and exploration domesticated or outright killed off the mysteries of the world and made it mundane
>>220601703The internet was smaller, there was just more original content in it.
>>220601719They mean there is less [new] stuff in it. It's a through line about the EITC ending piracy and controlling the world. Like how Beckett is filling in his map. At the end
>>220601719>>220601749Pairs with Becket's scene where he says the corners of the map are being filled in, complete with an actual map being filled in behind him for the dummies.
>>220601663Disagreed, it's an amazing trilogy. Beckett and Davy Jones are great villains. There's a lot more mythology and world building in the sequels. The costumes and sets get a lot more attention and everything looks much more gritty and fantastical. If anything the sequels are better than the first movie with much higher emotional stakes, cooler action, general strangeness of the world and varied soundtrack (as opposed to the same theme blaring every 10 seconds)
>>220601880>much higher emotional stakesWho tf got invested in movie 4's not-elizabeth and not-will?And the movie about Barbosa's daughter was a major death flag from the beginning, you knew he was going to die for her.
>>220601763>halfwit doesn't understand the meaning of the line
>>220601921I'm talking about 2 and 3 but even the 4th movie I would consider to be underrated. 5 is clearly where they stopped caring.
>>220601703>so tell me, what's become of my board
>>220601663Filtered
YAG SBARRO
>>220601629>Jack was an EITC captain who freed slaves and got his burned ship back through a debt with Davy Jones>Deleted scene Not canon, you cuck.
>>220601703there just used to be less indians in it
>>220602238long live Sbarroposting
>>220602137>ANON YOU ARE A LIAR AND YOU WILL SPEND AN ETERNITY ON THIS BOARD-AH!!!
two twos
>>220601629Jack Shandy > Jack Sparrow
>>220601629Reminder they rejected Terry Russios script for 5 when he has been the writer for 1 2 3 and 4. 5 would have had more continuity with 4.
>>220601880I wish they made a movie with a human Davey Jones returning as a villain then an unlikely alley like Barbossa.
>>220602475
>>220601629that's why retcons are always garbage and a sign of creativity bankruptcy. It's an extreme disrespect to the IP was a whole imo
>>220602505Extremely based, 2 and 3 were horrifically written
>>220601629>Barbossa being a rich badass now after taking Blackbeards ship and sword and conquering the seas>5th movie: nah he got a witch to curse his enemiesWtf?
>>220602556Whatever you think, continuity and lore is welcomed in whatever shitty installments. 5 just shit on it all. His script for 5 was way better than what we got.
Wan Piss > Pluganeers of the Canal
>>220601663they hated him because he told the truth
Dead Mans' Chest Elizabeth is a qt
>>220602652Love her.
>>220602582>Ignoring a deleted scene is shitting on its lore LMAO Kill yourself
>>220601880Truke. It's a fantastic trilogy, best blockbuster trilogy of the 2000s (LotRfags fuck off). There was nothing like experiencing the third film in theaters. Genuinely incredible.
>>220601880Dead Man's Chest was close to being as good as Curse of the Black Pearl, but every time a sequel spends more time setting up a third movie than actually being its own self contained story, it loses some appeal to me, especially when the third film sucks.At World's End is just nonsense. The pirate lords, the after life, the jamaican witch being a demi god, Davy Jones being a simp incel, Elizabeth becoming pirate king, its all too retarded and convoluted. The final battle in the maelstrom was pretty cool though.
>>220602238>>220602444
>>220603277Worlds End is such wasted potential. It constantly does cool things and undermines them with dumb things. The council never electing a pirate king cause everyone votes for themself is a great joke. Jack voting for Elizabeth is very jack and its funny. The very concept of pirate lords and king is totally stupid though. Piracy is a rejection of authority and gang leaders wouldn't just "follow the code". Honor among thieves and all that, but it's weak ass writing to remove characters agency.
>>220601880Truke. At World's End is a maximalist masterpiece.
>it was merely a satisfactory enterprise
>>220603397>Piracy is a rejection of authorityPirate ships aren't democracies or anarchies. The captain is in charge. This is relevant multiple times throughout the movies. In fact "The Flying Dutchman must have a captain" is key to the main conflict of the whole trilogy. Not "The Flying Dutchman must have a motley assorted of likeminded anarchists". A captain, because he's the top of the hierarchy.
>>220602652> hot fertile tight body 10/10 noble pussy among dirty ravenous sea faring vagabonds >doesn't get molested onceLiterally unwatchable
>>220603686it was a clark kent disguise, they were looking for her
I'VE GOT A JAR OF DIRT
>>220603614Rejection of the authority doesn't mean anarchy. The authority being the predominate force in the world, the British, Spanish and so on. Pirate ships actually did often practice democracy. Freedom of choice is still a choice being made to follow that leader or possibly even leave to find a different ship or job. This is being a pirate. Your example of the Dutchman is bad cause it's magic. It literally must have a captain because that's how the spell works. It also is anti-pirate in that it takes away a pirates freedom of choice. They have no choice but to serve as crew. They are men that gave up their freedom to avoid death. The idea rival gangs and rival leaders would follow in and practice some form of confederacy is so Disney it hurts. The characters were properly motivated by the threat of Davy Jones and the EIC. It is fine to effectively remove the freedom of choice because the characters feel they have none. Work together or be hunted down and die. Begrudgingly feeling they have to cause of the code is stupid. Having Elizabeth become King and everyone follows her cause they have to bypasses the motivation that exists. Then most of them don't do anything anyway, except be a show of force, sit back on their ships and cheer when they win. This plan could have been arrived at organically, but the movie got dumb.
>"The immaterial has become... immaterial."Great line. Honestly timeless.The trilogy holds up because of great writing that blends the past colloquium with contemporary dialogue but it still sounds sincere, unlike modern dogshit writing -- like Nolan's upcoming Odyssey that uses "daddy". Talk about jarring.
>>220602279I've seen it on disney plus. It's not cut at all.
>i'm ready to settle
>>220602904Who the fuck are you quoting you jobless paki!?
>>220603397>The very concept of pirate lords and king is totally stupid though.Pirate lords totally make sense. It's just organized crime with pirates who have multiple ships or more diverse criminal enterprises.An international pirate king is dumb though. The lords are independent and spread out. They don't need a king. In the rare occasions they need to coordinate they can just convene a council and vote on stuff.
>>220604586a "pirate king" would be akin to the roman republic electing a dictator when lots of decisions needed to be made quickly and decisively.
Lord Beckett had an aura plantation.
Jones' crew > Skeleton pierats > Chinamen in 3 > stupid book guys from 5 > the super lame hypnotised or whatever guys from 4
>>220601663All three are good, though a bit bloated.Only thing really missing was some good seamanship.
>>220603562>I have the superior ship both in tonnage and guns>I guess I'll just give up, lmao.
>>220604736British were weak and lost many battles against India but just use lying and cheating to conquer
>>220601703>internet’s still the same; there’s just more shit in it.
>>220601629>>2206016635 sucks ass. 1-3 are kino and 4 is honestly not bad besides lacking Will and Elisabeth, Barbossa is great as always, Jack has more of a protagonist role and it's the most based movie by making the chad Spaniards who destroy the Fountain of Youth for being pagan trashAnyways the lack of canon isn't really the worst thing in 5, I hate that Jack is just an useless retard drunkard when in the OT he was insanely cunning and a pirate lord for a reason
>>220604807the spanish fail to destroy the fountain and the fact it really works disproves catholicism within the universe.
>>220604769>he thinks it was ever possible to beat indians in a lying and cheating contest
>>220604854Ok so British are weak in war and weak in lying lol
>>220601880https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0U1ubMGHs0
>>220603686>doesn't get molested onceOnly because she’s the one who does the molesting
>>220604847>the spanish fail to destroy the fountain Wrong, it's destroyed by the end of the film.>the fact it really works disproves catholicism within the universeYou don't get it. The Spanish are right in saying that only God can provide true eternal life. The Fountain just provides a fake extension of one's material presence in exchange for taking away another's. It's an inherently evil pagan site, and the movie is based for showing how both pirates and the British Empire are all too willing to take over it to gain eternal material existance regardless of how many people die because of their egotistical attitudes, while the Spanish just destroy it knowing that it's fake and harmful.
>>220604911>the British Empire is evilVile Jeet/mutt detected
>>220604951Anon, Brits and Germoids have put in the most amount of effort in any society to destroy western civilization as a whole. The movie is correct showing Brits as fat, ugly shitwads who only think about eating and living forever instead of actually trying to empathize with others.
>>220604981Civic nationalism was invented by the French and Americans you Med shit.
>>220601663The 2nd film is good too,. although it's marred by not being a self contained movie.
the world wasn't better before, but it far worse now
>>220603658KINO
>>220604951Is the antagonist of the pirates
>>220604769SAAR
>>220605436It is true Britishers actually losted many wars(Childs War) but then used cheating to win when Indian became divided Battle of Plassey only woned because they bribe the MUSLIM general to cheat and turn otherwise they could not conquered IndiaYou can see it now India less than 80 yr old already more GDP than Gay Britain which more than 800 yr old country fucking retard
>>220602238yeyi've missed jag sbarro posting
>>220604769>>220605687Bruh, India literally lost against a single company. It's like losing a war against McDonalds. India has fistfights with Chinese army on their border and China had to return 160 indians KIA.>>220604981>empathise with othersOk woman.
>>220601719Embarrassing to admit you're retarded.
>>220605876NTA but in the theatre i always thought the line was...>the worlds still the same size... there is just less of itAnd i REALLY didnt get it then boy howdy
>>220605687INDIA POOPERPOWER BY 2030
yag?
>>220601719Enshittification
>>220604997Nationalism as an idea was invented by French during their war with britoids.
>>220601663First three, you bitch.
I still laugh at the cannibal island part in 2
>>220607400Truly, a scene that couldn't be made today
>>220605687>You can see it now India less than 80 yr old already more GDP than Gay Britain which more than 800 yr old country fucking retardThere is about 1.5 billion in India and about 70 million people in the UK. That despite all those people you only have a similar GDP nominal to the bongs is pathetic, and according to the latest GDP nominal figures of 2026 they are still higher then you at 4,264,794 compared to India's 4,153,191. The real kicker is India's GDP nominal per capita is 2,813, that is 147th in the world. Even Bangladesh has higher figure at 2,911.
would
honestly it was pretty good
>>220607618their pussies would be like vats of acid designed for melting your dick
>>220604951Britain (along with France) fought WITH the Ottoman empire, the brutal, oppressive, Islamic empire that was oppressing Christians in the Balkans and the Middle East, against Russia during the Crimean war. Constantinople would be freed today if the Jews ruling the British empire weren't so greedy.
>>220607758im going in
>>220607790its istanbul, not constantinople.
>>220604633>>220604586>>220603397The actual historical pirates had a council on Port Royal and Nassau and it was kind of a code thing but it wasn't as autistic and childlish
The trilogy is on par with LOTR. And im a Tolkien fag.
>>220601663Second one was OK but the grrlbossing was creeping up to the point I didn't even bother with 3
>>220601629I never particularly liked the whole "Omg Jack was actually a super good guy! He wore pirate stuff but he never hurt anyone and was actually just against slavery!". It sands off any edge that the series might have because it A.) Doesn't explain at all how the crew of the Black Pearl who, including Barbosa, were literally all under his command, just immediately pivoted into being depraved and consciousless killers the second they got rid of Sparrow (because if you argue that they were always like that, why would they tolerate him as captain if he clearly is NOT?) and B.) It creates this weird logical hole where of all the actual pirates out there, many of which who are literally on a council of pirates and known and feared across the oceans, there's just this one dude who everyone knows but no one ever feels it important to mention that he's not even an actual pirate?
>>220601719Magic's gone
>>220601629HIS NAME IS SBARROWBECAUSEHE HUNG OUT IN THE SPARROW NESTFUCKING BRILLIANT??!1
>>2206081173 has two major weak parts: The ending swordfighting setpiece is, while admittedly about as campy high-fantasy swashbuckling movie trope as you could possibly ask for, a little TOO campy at times. Though it does actually have some real solid moments and stakes, it's kind of 50/50 and overall probably comes off feeling the most like a shoehorned "Disney" section. The other part is Elizabeth in the ending 1/3 where, despite her actually not having much to do at all, you just don't buy that somehow she slides into the role of pirate captain and everyone listens to her and respects her. Other than that, it's pretty good. My only qualm with 3 is that while the overall structure isn't HARD to comprehend, if you're just casually movie-watching I get that it can be very easy for someone to lose track of who is doing what and why. Even though the strings all kind of come together in the last 1/3.
>>220608170It actually makes more sense since jack is never shown to kill anyone other than pirates. >jack makes deal to get ship resurrected>jack goes to tortuga to get a crew>jack leads them to isla de muerta>crew immediately mutinies This checks out when Will Turner first meets up with jack and jack says he was only captain for one of the years he was owed. The time between 1 and 2 he likewise did zero pirating, which was a major issue for his crew, causing them to mutiny again.
>>220608327No one did respect her as king. They respected Barbosa
>>220608720As for the pirate lord bit. His dad was clearly the pirate lord, jack was a nepo baby
>>220602238AIEEEE JECKS BAWLOW
>>220608196
name one character that suffered more
>>220601921>it’s an amazing trilogy>hurr durr number 4!!Genuine retard.
>>220607742I agree. It's a solid adventure movie.
some bitch had to shit the bed and now we don't have captain jack this jewed out country has to go
>>220608170It tracks with the first movie though, jack was clearly a pirate because of freedom. Not to commit actual piracy, his antics are always revolved around outsmarting and tricking his targets, not violent piracy.He makes a deal with Davy Jones, sails to tortuga to get a crew, instead of the usual “let’s rob the British/spanish” he instead promises them a great treasure >they think he’s a fun likeable guy and the promise of treasure sets aside their belief in him as a pirate captain>once they have the treasure in grasp they mutiny
>>220607742Why would you lie
>>220601663They're all great but normies won't admit it until some youtuber says it first.
>>220608720>>220609370Conceptually, I understand your point, but I feel like this is more of a Disney hero thing rather than an actual character lore thing. I mean, the entire opening of the first film very clearly seeks to establish him as someone who, despite not actually hurting anyone, is dangerous and a pirate. He wants to steal a ship, pick up a crew, and raid/pillage/plunder. Now, you could say he's joking, but then if so, what is the point of the ship and the crew? Why pick up a PIRATE crew, made up of PIRATES, who want to do PIRATE things, when you apparently just don't plan on doing any of that? What's the intended outcome? Where does the money come from for more supplies? If that's what got him mutinied on the first time, why do it again?
>first film>fight against undead skeletons on boat and inside cave>second film>fight against sea creatures on giant wheel between three combatants then kraken fight>third film>three ship fight inside a maelstrom after trying to summon god whilst getting married involving every single pirate aliveIt's impressive to me how they upped the ante every time but 4 doesn't have them fight in space or some shit
What was the EASTERN India Company doing in the Caribbean anyway? Why wasn't there a Western india Company to deal with New World shit?
>>220607758That sounds hot.
>>220601719Human imagination is more interesting than anything else. As the world becomes mapped, catalogued, and “known” so too does it become emptied of the room required to imagine and explore.
>>220609672>why do it again?It’s fun and jack doesn’t have any other option with the brand. Iirc he got mutinied cause he was “weak” so I’d assume he was pirating successfully without being needlessly cruel and violent, but that wasn’t enough for the crew if they wanted more treasure culminating in the Aztec gold/opportunities to be violent I’m going on a limb here as I’d reckon most people aren’t cut out to be a captain so it’d make sense to roll with a dude who has been a captain for what, a decade already(and a pirate lord)I’d go further to suggest despite his “weakness” of mercy, jack probably could into the unseen aspects of running a ship like navigation, managing the crew (and their morale) and logistics too (afaik the crew didn’t go hungry). I’m thinking he would’ve amassed a small hidden fortune based on his long experience as a captain too, but I don’t think this really matters because it’s all beyond the scope of the movies. It’s still fun to think about, though
>>220610278They're also just removing interesting things from the world over time. Like killing the Kraken.
>>220608871He didn't have to drown in oneitis, he could've easily gotten any other pretty lady at the time.
>>220604586>>220608038Making Jack and Barbossa secret Pirate lords and then Elizabeth randomly gets the role as well was dumb. There's just other ways the movie could have done this to not have it be so retconny and rule lawyering autistm. Like have it be something like, you can go to war but you need a pirate king to lead the war. And no one steps up and Elizabeth does. It puts agency back in Elizabeth hands instead of Jack pulling a meme.
>>220610339Yeah but how many of those pretty ladies had a mermaid pussy? You only get one chance at something like that
>>220607790>Britain (along with France) fought WITH the Ottoman empire, the brutal, oppressive, Islamic empire that was oppressing Christians in the Balkans and the Middle East, against Russia during the Crimean war.Good. Russia was in the wrong and deservedly lost. You have to wonder how they screwed up so badly that France and Britain allied with each other to fight them.
>>220607790>>220610580The Russian Empire was becoming a threat at that point and the Ottomans were weak as fuck and had to be propped up. Remember the Russians are Eurasian rather than European, they are autocratic and have always had Asiatic tendencies ever since the Golden Horde rolled over Muscovy. In other words, they're uncivillised.However they've never recovered from the USSR period and Russia is probably more weak today, relative to Europe/the world, than any time since the 1300s. This can be seen in their failed invasion of Ukraine, which could be the end of the current iteration of Russia.But from approx 1815 up until the Crimean War + WW1, Russia was a threat which needed to be kept out of Europe.
>>220610465Elizabeth didn't have mermussy either bro, she was just the comfy girl next door option because he watched her grow up over the course of his career.
>>220601663This, although I do like one particular scene in 2.
>>2206096974's only real saving grace was that the entire ending was foiled by a bunch of based Catholic chads coming in, kicking down the Fountain of Youth, calling it the spawn of Satan, and dipping the fuck out.
>>220610358The major problem with the Pirate Lords is that only some of them actually make sense. But also, the "piece of eight" thing is very weird because all of Barbosa/Sparrow's old crew talks about the ritual they were used in like they were all there, but it clearly was like, at least a century prior if not more. There's a deleted scene where Sao Feng and Barbosa say that there has not been a Court in their lifetimes, though it's not stated how long that was. My point is, unless the Lord physically passes down the trinket (as I think Sparrow's dad would have had to?), how does anyone get theirs? Like, if the Captain is killed, does everyone on the crew know that there's a trinket that someone needs to take? What if they can't get to it? How do you even ensure they're all still in one piece?
>>220611263basically everyone is pretending because they don't want to look dumb. there are none of the original pieces of eight left, each one is just random garbage
>>220601880I like 2 and 3, but they are absolutely not better than 1. Black Pearl is a perfect self-contained movie that can't be improved in any way. It's like The Matrix. Matrix 2 and 3 are enjoyable, but unquestionably steps down from the perfect self-contained Matrix 1.
>>2206020004 is an inoffensive 5/10 as far as unnecessary sequels go. I don't hate it but also feel zero need to rewatch it. 5 is offensively bad.
>>220603277Dead Man's Chest spends far too much time on silly action sequences. The last act with the watermill goes on for way too long.
>>220611035Oh duh, I thought it was the christian guy from 4 for some reason
>>220614687>the watermillIt was pure kino from start to finish
>>220614884Nah
>>220601663third is one of the best films ever made and i'm tired of pretending is not.
>>220601663fpbp /thread
>>220614884yeah it was. it honestly was reminiscent of super crazy wuxia fights where they gotta do some crazy shit like fight on chairs and tables or on a ricketty boat. only faggots would disagree
Blackbeard deserved better than the shitshow that was the 4th movie
>>220604885how the fuck did india manage to get conquered by someone who's weak at everything? how pathetic is india?
>>220601629>The problem ain't livin' forever, Janny...>It's livin' unpaid forever.
>>220615246Pathetic samefagging
>>220601629So they made him less woke in nu-canon?
>>220605687>You can see it now India less than 80 yr old already more GDP than Gay BritainBritain actually overtook India again per first quarter 2026 resultsimagine losing to a country with 15 times less peopleguess indians don't have to imagine that LOL
>>220607790The Crimean War was a conflict between two slave states.
>>220602652yeah she does have a dead man's chest
>>2206019214 has the problem of being an adaptation of a completely unrelated novel with Jack Sparrow added in. It's like if instead of a Dune movie you get a Star Trek movie where Picard visits Arrakis.
>>220601663True
>>220607400AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FIE FIE
>>220601719Ask how it is you have no soul and yet live.
>>220601663Fuck you, the second one was good.
>>2206020004 is kino just for the Spanish being the actual heroic faction.
>>220603614>Pirate ships aren't democracies or anarchies. The captain is in charge.Historically this wasn't always the case. The captain was only in charge during combat (when they were chasing a target) The quartermaster did most of the day to day running of the ship, the captain did not get to overrule him either (unless it was about battle). Most other things were decided by vote, as pirate ships were generally pretty democratic.
>>220601629Let me guess, you're one of these fags who criticises everyone who watches capeshit in every MCU thread, but you're still watching Disney pirate movies and taking the lore super cereal.
>>220601663Can't believe all the love for 3. It was dogshit.
>>220601719The immaterial has become... immaterial.
>>2206200093 is pure kinography
>>220603277>the after life, the jamaican witch being a demi god, the final battle in the maelstromAll kino.
>>220607742There was only ever three movies.
>>220620853>can't walk on land>but can walk in barrelsWhy didn't they just wheel him around in a bathtub?
>>220601629I love the whole trilogy, but especially the second film. It's bold, vast, boisterous, lots of thrills and turns, peril and play, love and monsters, it's pure blockbuster perfection.
>>220620853The way the loyalties and motivations shift around across the movies is great
>>220620019kino line
For me? It's the three-way swordight in Dead Man's Chest between Will, Jack and Norrington. My favorite action scene. This is the crazy shit I imagine Inigo Montoya would've been doing
>>220621185That would be undignified.
>>220601719Unironically Globohomo(genisation)
>>2206024753 5s
>>220601719
>>220620009It's not as good as the previous two but it's still enjoyable. Turning pirates into an oppressed religious group for some reason is weird but the character dynamics are set up well so you quickly stop thinking about it.
