Only God forgives has a fight scene that illustrates the difference between an expert and an amateur in muay Thai.

The Foot Fist Way

>>220608616
I don't know, and I don't car, but it certainly isn't any kung-fu slop.

>>220608616
I fucking live the raid and the raid 2

>>220608616
enter the dragon

>>220608616
blood sports

>>220608820
It wasn’t as good on rewatch though

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>>220608616
Ong Bak.

It’s almost entirely size based, and who throws the first punch
Boxing>any Asian mysticism bullshit martial “arts”.

Asians literally invented martial arts as a cope for being insanely weak and tiny. Karate, taekwondo, tai-chi, kungfu etc literally only works if the opponent obeys your moves and plays into them. If it worked any fighting champion in the world (kickboxing, boxing etc) would employ the techniques but they never do

>>220608882
Yeah, but it looks shit on film. MMA is even fucking worse, unwatchable garbage.

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>>220608616
Equilibrium and it is not fucking close.

>>220608616
The Night Comes for Us.

Nah I'm just kidding I just like bringing that movie up to fans of The Raid (2 specifically as it's also a little up it's own ass with different characters and plotlines all crashing into one another)

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Just punch the guy.

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Real life>Hollywood crap

The alley fight in They Live. Everything else is false and homosexual

>>220609102
right, because UFC isn't scripted LOL

>>220609102
See
>>220608909

>>220609107
I haven't seen it in 20+ years but if you told me Roddy called Keith David a nigger at the craft table and they just filmed the ensuing fist fight, id believe you.

>>220608864
I just rewatched the raid a couple of days ago. You're wrong.

>>220608882
>Asians literally invented martial arts as a cope for being insanely weak and tiny.
Against each other? Do you think before you type?

>>220609588
I see you have not pursued Lu Bu in your lifetime.

>>220608882
>It’s almost entirely size based, and who throws the first punch
That's why boxing and MMA matches are always won by the biggest guy right?

>>220609588
Yes, anon. That is why we have weight classes to begin with. Go check how common is a knockout in a class with 120 pound guys.
If there is only a very tiny chance you'll get knocked the fuck out and crack your skull on a ground or some rock, you can afford to make up bullshit and larp as tiger, snak etc.

>>220608616
The Big Boss. Bruce Lee's grounded martial arts style is far more effective than the theatrical and acrobatic styles used by other characters. Comfy movie overall.

>>220610132
>Bruce Lee's grounded martial arts style
>grounded
You mean where he bounces off a car door and falls to the ground?

the final knife fight in the man from nowhere is the best knife sequence in film
debate me

>>220608880
that looks real

>>220609102
shame its impossible to make good movies about these apes.

>>220608882
>Asians literally invented martial arts
Fucking moron every culture wrestled and boxed.

>>220610029
>That's why boxing and MMA matches are always won by the biggest guy right?
Pride proved weight classes matter and kung fu and other asian nonsense was useless against grapplers and boxers.

>>220608820
I saw 2 in theaters. I watched the first one at home with friends and I'll never forget how quickly it went from by the numbers cops vs robbers action movie to "holy shit is the entire movie going to be this good?" (It was).

Fight Club. Real fights are messy and people lose teeth and break bones and if the protagonist fights someone twice his size then the protagonist gets his ass beat.

>>220608909
>MMA is even fucking worse, unwatchable garbage.
There are some legitimately dramatic, fun to watch from beginning to end MMA fights but I absolutely concede they represent maybe 1% of all televised MMA.

It really sucks that getting into ufc and combat sports has ruined martial arts movies for me. It used to feel so cool to watch and it felt like Bruce Lee and IP man really were crazy ninjas that would knock everyone out. Reddit threads looking for le realistic fights! Aw dood south Korean thrillers have the BEST fight scenes. Now its all just.... retarded. Ill still watch stuff like bloodsport for the corny vibes

>>220609102
Real life combat sports are gay as hell. Half of the fighters are fags with dyed hair and a bunch of prissy, performative tattoos. Also there are too many rules. Winning a fight based on points is nonsense.

>>220610029
>something has to be 100% true or else its a falsehood
No, but thats why every single promotion has weight classes and why within those weight classes, the most successful fighters will always do drastic weight cuts to squeeze as much physical advantage out of their body as possible

>>220611160
>never sparred in any form

>>220608983
Based take by based as fuck anon.

>>220611160
>Also there are too many rules
lmao
>lose one fight
>get crippled for life or killed because the guy starts stomping on your neck

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>>220608616
Kill Bill vol. 2

>>220612214
KINO

>>220612428
I can't believe he didn't put camera behind her and used a stunt woman who actually knows kungfu. Or he could just speed it up. He was so in love with her it actually clouded his judgement.

>>220608646
i looked this up and the choreography is embarassingly slow. looks as fake as those martial arts sensei fags that pretend to have super powers

>>220611040
martial arts in the sense of fake dance schools im sure he meant

>>220612214
looks like how sweet dee would fight

>>220612692
The dog lover downfall has been fun to watch.

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>>220612751
blk boys... how can we compete against the white man...

>>220608882
>>220608909
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/s7p0mjdt6Og?ra=m

>>220608882
>Boxing
pussy, I can knock you the fuck out

>>220612804
Bro I'm just gonna shoot you cuh

>>220612675
Big bird style

>>220608864
i can understand you saying that about 2 but 1 is a timeless masterkino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEzDCw10S3c

Don't bother watching this trailer, just spoils the movie but Jackie Chan is a retired cop who specializes in surveillance and he's up against a heist crew who is led by a former chinese intelligence assassin. There's alot of spy vs spy type knife type shit, as the leader of the gang is some kind of knife wizard almost as good as Steven Seagal. It was decent.

Ah a UFC thread, aka the gay porn thread.

>>220609053
>>220609102
>>220612692
>>220612692
>>220612731
What a coincidence that the darker one is losing

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>>220608820
Ong-Bak, The Raid, old Jackie Chan and Jet Li movies
They don't make them like that anymore.
And you know why? Because good martial arts sequences depend on being able to do shit that is genuinely risky and hard on the body. Shit that western productions just straight up won't allow because of stuntman safety standards.
That's why the best action movies came out decades ago, from countries on Hollywood's periphery. They depend on life having little enough value for everyone in a production to be okay with some below minimum wage mook possibly getting severely injured or crippled for mere entertainment.

I can't remember the last martial art, or hell, action movie that is worth a fuck.

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Kino.

>>220608616
Pic definitely not related. These guys fight for like 10 minutes with stab wounds that would have you lose consciousness within 20 seconds. It was kino regardless though.

any you'll watch grandmaster?
I liked that one

>>220608616
Blood and Bone
https://youtu.be/OCPq8I5zXSU?si=xJn0meVFfmcdhluI&t=164

>>220613046
What's gay about it? Do shirtless men just spontaneously give you a stiffy?

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>>220608882
based and truvnuke. box is the only mans sport. why the fuck would anyone waste time doing spinning kicks and splits and shiiiiieeeeeettttt when we were born to throw punches. a few boxing lessons go a long way and is enough to kick someones ass. instead of learning fucking backflips for years to barely be decent at it.

I never watched the raid movies because i thought Asian movies lacked impact. Lots of action without any of the hits feeling like much. Was I wrong? Should I watch

>>220608616
Probably drunken master unironically. Drunken boxing is like 20% physical, 80% psychological and is probably the most effective in situations where you actually need it. And Jackie Chan is able to pull it off pretty well

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>>220613170
>What's gay about it? Do sh-GLARK GLARK GLARK

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>>220611160
>Also there are too many rules
watch king of the streets

>>220613230
No, you are absolutely right. Half of /tv/ dislikes The Raid because every fighter needs a 37-hit combo to be knocked out. The other half of /tv/ is too drunk to care. Same shit in the Donnie Yen movies too. We had a martial arts thread a couple weeks ago establishing that John Wick is the only good martial arts movie in the last 20 years.

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>>220613302
This is saved on your computer, not mine. Is that onomatopoeia your idea as well? Did it come from your imagination?

>>220613309
He deserved that headbutt for the kick as soon as they touched gloves. Low move.

>>220613241
Its a gimmick but I did like it in tekken.

>>220613230
>>220613328
I think what I like about the Raid movies isn't so much the hits being meaningful or not but the interesting context and sets the fights take place in. The sequence where they're crawling through the wall in the first one is the one that immediately comes to mind.

>>220613610
>>220613328
The only fight scenes that ever felt satisfying to me were they live and billy jack barefoot kicking fuckers in the face

>>220613309
has that one dude who only eye gouges gotten his comeuppance yet

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>>220613658
besides this, not sure

I think people who get how actual fighting goes down, tend to be obnoxious when it comes to fight choreography. We get it bro, you went to a mma gym for a few months.
>>220613309
However I must admit that the change of camera angles makes something that could pass for "mundane," on screen if shot for a movie from one angle. You have to remember some of this is akin to dance, more so than a fight.

>>220611152
>>220612171
We need to do away with this gay mma shit and return to no rules deathmatches. You always hear this cope about how what's used in mma are the only real effective combat techniques but it's still very structured artificial shit filled with rules.

Unarmed competitions are also fake and gay. At no point in the existence of the human race has anyone chosen to fight unarmed if a weapon were available. We need to revive gladiators. If this wasn't such a shit reality then we would have worldwide gladiator games like the Olympics.

>>220609107
Came here to post this. I haven't seen it in a long time, but I remember it being the most realistic fight I have ever seen on film. One of my friends told me later that they were both wrestlers.

>>220614209
>deathmatches
>gladiators
Pick one. Gladiators died given the nature of their business but had death been anything close to the norm the institution wouldn't have been sustainable.

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>>220608616
enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ssRATP-iiU

>>220608882
nigga you can't even do boxing without gloves, shit sport.

>>220614209
>At no point in the existence of the human race has anyone chosen to fight unarmed if a weapon were available

You are not wrong, but the risk of death is just too high. There is a reason cops shoot people for running up to them with a even the lamest weapons.

>>220614282
One, you're conflating two separate statements, you dishonest little faggot. Two, you're talking about an institution that spanned a thousand years and the frequency of death varied wildly depending on the era.

>In the earliest munera, death was considered a righteous penalty for defeat; later, those who fought well might be granted remission at the whim of the crowd or the editor. During the Imperial era, matches advertised as sine missione (usually understood to mean "without reprieve" for the defeated) suggest that missio (the sparing of a defeated gladiator's life) had become common practice.
>Under Augustus' rule, the demand for gladiators began to exceed supply, and matches sine missione were officially banned; an economical, pragmatic development that happened to match popular notions of "natural justice".
>A gladiator might expect to fight in two or three munera annually, and an unknown number would have died in their first match. Few gladiators survived more than 10 contests

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>>220608616
Why go to movies when you have irl depictions?

>>220613552
>This is saved on your computer,
There is a certain plugin that lets you use links to post images, webms and other files instead of saving them little bro.

>>220614403

Dude it was all kayfabe. They're not gonna risk fighters they trained for years, if not decades, to a near certain death or maiming every weekend.
Grow a brain.

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>>220608616
Dragonball Evolution

>>220614459
>Dude it was all kayfabe.
Yeah, I don't know what that means. You may not be aware of this but Ancient Rome is by far the most studied civilization in human history and we have countless detailed accounts of exactly what went on the arenas.
>George Ville, using evidence from 1st century gladiator headstones, calculated an average age at death of 27, and mortality "among all who entered the arena" at 19/100. Marcus Junkelmann disputes Ville's calculation for average age at death; the majority would have received no headstone, and would have died early in their careers, at 18–25 years of age.[ Between the early and later Imperial periods the risk of death for defeated gladiators rose from 1/5 to 1/4, perhaps because missio was granted less often. Hopkins and Beard tentatively estimate a total of 400 arenas throughout the Roman Empire at its greatest extent, with a combined total of 8,000 deaths per annum from executions, combats and accidents.

>>220614319
boxing still works without gloves, you just risk breaking your hands and you have less defensive options

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgkDAzeN4Ns

There's at least 10 better Jackie Chan movies, but this scene stands out to me. His movement, stuntwork and willingness to get kicked in the face is unlike anything else. A great fight.

>>220614633
>still works
>except for all these reasons it doesn't work

>>220614612
always found annoying they got the lamest fucking dumbass to pĺay goku, but had actual martial artists as side characters.

>>220608616
Barfly

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>>220608820
Raid 2 is amazing. That prison yard scene woooo baby. Also highly recommend The Night Comes For Us. Not as well known but solid action revenge flick

>>220614648
watch bkfc

>>220614690
I only watched the final fight, I thought the rest of it was boring cause I'm a zoomer retard

>>220614690
>The Night Comes For Us
white boy Bobby was kino

>>220608616
>THE most realistic depiction of effective martial arts

There is a Japanese movie called The Twilight Samurai that seemed very authentic to me. The sword fight scenes aren't too exciting but that is of course realistic

Jackie Chan movies. No the choreography isn't usually realistic, but his fight scenes are still "realistic" because he depicts himself as a highly skilled martial artist and acrobat who still gets tired, hurt, and needs to find creative ways to even the odds by using the environment.

Also in the Zatoichi series of films the fight choreography isn't realistic but the main actor Shintaro Katsu was deceptively athletic and extremely fast with his prop sword which made him seem believable as a master swordsman

The movies Macbeth, Rob Roy, and The Duellists have the most realistic fight scenes depicting European martial arts ie sword fighting, but it's debatable how "effective" the actors' skills are because they weren't trained athletes or fencers. They feel gritty though

The Mark of Zorro has the best swashbuckler-type highly choreographed fencing scene that still manages to feel realistic

There isn't much in the realm of realistic street fighting/brawls. Of course theres the famous alley scene from Collateral if you consider firearms handling martial arts. Also a forgettable movie called Pride and Glory that has a fist fight scene often called one of the most realistic

>>220615060
Macbeth from 1971

>>220615060
i love the duellist duel when theyre just duelling in a little barnhouse in front of a bunch of soldiers and they are just swinging like crazy

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>>220613856
damn, fucker got off easy. took most of that on his arms

>>220614409
>tfw your entire mcdojo gets heemed by a bunch of random shopkeepers

>>220613182
Cope, MMAtards are insecure losers

>>220608616
The TV show Warrior, because it's actually about MMA

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>>220610527
Fighters in Ong Bak were absolute Gs, they willingly took hits to make fights look good.

>>220613230
The first Raid movie is awesome and is a stand alone movie, don't bother with the second unless you're just desperate for more.

>>220608616
Karambit is such a cool weapon bros

>>220612751
It was fun for a while but now it's just sad.

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>>220613075
>some below minimum wage mook
Jackie Chan founded group called Sing Ga Ban, which was instrumental in shaping stuntman work in action movies.
You could spot their reoccurring members in various movies well into 2000s. Lack of solid choreography is what really hurts modern action movies, I don't remember last time there was anything impressive on screen in past 8 years.

>>220613107
So fucking gay.

>>220608616
The Raid 2 gets a little ridiculous when he starts knocking people out by throwing empty water bottles at them, but it's nonetheless the best action kino out there.

>>220613241
Drunken boxing always fails on one thing - the moment drunken master gets clocked for the first time, he immediately stiffens and it just turns into a brawl, which he will inevitably lose. It is a step away from Capieira.

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>>220614309
10/10 fight scene in a bizarre romantic movie. When he got out of that van, manlets everywhere cheered.

>>220615399
haven't you ever played Nethack? shopkeepers are some of the toughest monsters around, more dangerous than frost giants and baby dragons

>>220608880
I love this fucking movie.

>>220609175
KEK

>>220614690
Raid 2 sucked for one reason. Every fight was portrayed as 1 guy vs a crowd, but it was really just 1vs1 where the extras are perpetually running towards the main character. Every time the camera changed angles, the extras would be reset to 10m away. Forever running into the fight, but never making it. Only the actual 1v1 fights were good.

>>220608616
There wsa that movie 20 years ago, Tommy Lee Jones and banderas maybe?

Something like that.

It was rambo 1 story all over but with knife fighting, and it was depicted pretty well. Corny movie but I think I will rewatch it.

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>>220613075
The problem I think is not in the martial artists but everything surrounding it. I watched pic related, everyone here is clearly talented but either
>the choreography is baffling at times, this is most obvious in the introduction minibus fight scene that's supposed to be this comedic scene of the main character shitting on some random thugs but most of the time it just doesn't make much sense with them trying to pull him inside and him doing some weird non-chalant stuff. They also jump a bit too hard into the MMA meme and people just end up doing dolphin dives just to double leg shoot someone and after a while it just gets dumb as fuck when they try to do stylized grappling.(the penultimate fight against the two fishermen is an exception and is honestly my favorite fight of the movie)
>Too much fucking editing, camera cuts aside it's also the dumb digital effects like zooming in and out on a hit or panning to the direction of a hit to sell the impact
>retarded amounts of folio
>the characters have to be superhuman so you get someone who has just been in an extended brawl with two dudes who have knocked him out twice suddenly nosell everything including glass on the ground when his fighting style in that scene was mainly ground based. It also makes the comedic action less impactful if they're just omnipotent and can fuck everyone up without issue instead of having him struggle by using everything on hand and it naturally ending up being comedic.

>>220613856
That first kick immediately overextended his knee. That is fucked for life, not worth whatever they were paying him..fuck this people for taking advantage of dummies. Same as Dana white and his stupid slap boxing.

Jackbreacher is brutal and would be a game ender in a street fight.

>>220613158
That was cool as fuck.

I watched The Raid and a couple days later was hanging out with friends and convinced them to watch it but we had to resort to casting it on the TV with some shitty site with no subs, but it was still fresh in my mind so I could translate the gist of it based on memory. Good night diary.

>>220608616
Kiss Of The Dragon

>>220608646
Kek, some emaciated 5' jungle chink cannot beat a white man

>>220611130
Yeah some MMA fights are kino, but film depictions of MMA never are. That's what he was saying and I whole heartedly agree.

>>220608616
Let me recommend one of the best weapons fights I've ever seen in a martial arts movie.
If you go to the YouTube channel called "Wu Tang Collection" look up a movie called "Kung Fu Executioner" starring Billy Chong, and go to 1 hour and 9 minute mark.
The stuntwork and choreography is some of the most amazing ever to appear in a movie, but the absolute best part of the fight starts at 1:13:21

>>220616712
Don't think he's in it for the money champ.

>>220620873
He is a moron then, that is the only reason to compete in combat sports. You are a rube that is going to be exploited by the Dana whites of the world.

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>>220620918
real ones compete for something much more valuable than money

>still watching gayufc
>not making the switch to ONE
Not gonna make it, webm spammer.

>>220613075
Jet Li is prety hokey, doesn't belong with the others.

>>220621105
That's pretty cute.

>>220613075
>action movie that is worth a fuck.
the john wicks were good.

>>220609053
The time implies this happened at the end of a particularly vicious fight. It's really just the finishing blow

>>220610029
Weight classes existong proves that yes
Bigger guy wins over smaller guy, most of the time

>>220614690
The night comes for us is fucking kino, the last track with Low Murder playing... disturbingly kino.

>>220608882
>Karate, taekwondo, tai-chi, kungfu etc literally only works if the opponent obeys your moves and plays into them
>boxing > all
boxing literally only works if the opponent obeys your moves and plays into them, lmao. any fucking "sport" is crippled by rules and regulations. actual fighting is extremely cutthroat, and usually decided rather quickly. while size has an advantage, it is not the end all be all. somebody trained in ANY martial art has a distinct advantage over somebody not trained at all. however, strictly adhering to "the moves i learned for this art/sport" is a fool's game anyway. actual fighting is chaotic and brutal.

I got in a street fight with a coked up guy and I believe that front kicks are the best meta, got a good stomp on his quads and he was dead meat
In the end it's best to just stay out of it bros

>>220608882
>boxing
>in a real fight
LMAO

>>220621499
Is that the shitty one with the woman beating the main character in a fight? That was trash. The main actor does good action though,

>>220608880
This movie is based for how funny it is, it's actually hilarious
>>220613309
Based
>>220621105
Sup knuckbro
>>220614409
Lmao taekwondocucks
>>220616684
The Hunted, good film

>>220608882
>anon sees a thread asking about movies on the Television & Film board
>instantly gets his cultural insecurity out on full display as though anyone is even talking about real life combat

>>220614282
Trained gladiators, sure.

As for all the other slaves/captured dudes/Christians not so much.

>>220621544
Body slams by bigger opponents seems to be game changers. Logins of gif is the fight ending because of a body slam.

Flashpoint, Ip Man vs Seraph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhSsl4sErz0

>>220616449
F

>>220621105
:)

>>220608880
and yet the second film is a pile of poo

>>220611040
worth reading about how English boxing used to be. they had kicks and throws in it too, it was only later as rules progressed that they limited it to punches alone.

/heem/ - Television & Film

>>220613002
thanks, saw a lot of his films in the past but might not have seen that one.
will check it out

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any of y'all niggas watched this?
Got high and caught it on late night TV at my parents' place randomly.
Was pretty kino.

>>220613241
>>220613607
worked in virtual fighter 4 evolution too it was the hardest character the play since he had several stances and a bunch of feints, but it made him genuinely unpredictable and difficult to deal with once you'd learned how to use his moves.
guess that means they succeeded in the way they'd implemented it.

>>220614163
I dunno, i saw a pretty cool flying kick done on a real vid when a chinaman saw a negro hit a chinese woman.
someone must have it, he just runs in from offscreen and does a flying knee/kick sending the guy into a wall and crumpled on the ground.
was awesome

raid 1 >>>>raid 2

>>220614309
pretty good. the guy in black has nice aerials and fast sweeps

>>220614432
but you still had it saved locally

>>220621105
>no one has posted jon berenthal yet
>the only true fighter of the screen who lives what he acts

>>220625076
awww sheeit I don thinked I seen that mang

>>220608882
At least say Kickboxing/muay thai retard

>>220608616
Anything with Scott Adkins

>>220608616
romeo must die

>>220608882
>any Asian mysticism bullshit martial “arts”.
yeah no fucking shit. that one mma chink xu xiaodong exposed the entire chink traditional martial arts scenes years ago. no such thing as kung fu except for being yoga tier exercise. any muay thai fighter would kill any chink practicing chinese trad martial arts

>>220625239
This
I didn't like how the second movie had those gimmick characters straight out of a video game like the baseball bat guy.
I also prefer the simple story and the desperate atmosphere of the first movie.

I bet not a single person that's posted so far even owns gloves.

>>220629711
I own motorcycle gloves.
Does that count?

>>220608616
The One

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>>220608820
I hate how gory it is, give me an autistic donnie yen fight anyday

>>220608882
>>220612804
>>220614319
>>220621544
>>220621598
I think it's about strength + reflexes, both seem to culminate in (kick-)boxing.

>>220622705

He's a brown retard most likely they take any chance they get to hate asians

>>220629895
>+ reflexes
Are you retarded? You have no reflexes to defend your legs
>but head fakes
Aren't going to work without gloves and unless you have a gentleman's agreement to not grab.

>>220613230
The first Raid is kino. The second goes a little too far with the action.

>>220612623
Even then chinese have sanda(Kickboxing) and Shuai Jiao(Grappling). I think the Wushu and Kung fu stuff is popular because it seems mystical in the west.

>>220629842
Donnie is up there with the best fight choreographers shame most his movies are awful.

>>220610029
if professional fights didnt have weight classes, yeah, probably

>>220609053
This dude's smile is terrifying, he doesn't even look human. He's like a skinwalker wearing a human suit. I'm surprised he swung at the guy and didn't bite his jugular.

>>220608616
Hero

>>220630513
Spl and Flashpoint are all you need, how even stallone and swarzenegger were only in a handful of actual good movies