You know, for all of /tv/'s insistence on obsessing over the plane hijack scene in TDKR, there is probably a scene like that in literally every other movie out there.If you go poking holes and stretching implications for everything you see, you're bound to view stuff in the same way /tv/ views that scene.It pisses me off too because I rank Christopher Nolan to be among my all-time favorite directors, but this board prefers bashing him over stuff that deserves it like Michael Bay films or Twilight.Ugh, I hate this board some times. Why do I even bother? Next thing I know you guys will be hating on Spielberg in a month.
>>220615579Tell me about anon! Why does he post the bait?
Lots of cheap movies on Tubi has those cheesy scripts but this one was a blockbuster that everyone saw
>>220615579Somebody get this hothead outta here
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>>220615579tdkr is the worst movie ever made
Bane posting is eternal, time is a flat circle.
i actually saw this at the movies midnight release here in New Zealand. fucking baffling scene i have no idea what Nolan was thinking with that dialogue. I still remember screwing up my face the first time i heard Tom Hardy's Bane voice also that fucking scene near the end with all the cops and thugs fighting in the middle of the streets was arguably more retarded. I was actively watching them in the background while Batman and Bane fight because the acting was so shit kek
>>220615579So what actually are the criticism of this scene? I've heard that Baneposting started off mocking the scene, what were the specifics?
>>22061589015 years we have been doing this.
>>220615878Is that really from the The Nome Trilogy? I read a bane post as a child.
>>220615579Twilight is who cares, not many teen girls post here.Michael Bay movies do get mocked>He's got space dementia>I think World War Two just startedBut it's different because Bay's movies aren't expected to be any good. Which TDKR was, after TDK being such a huge deal
>>220615579Nolan has a lot of good scenes and a lot of bad scenes. Don't be a fangay
>>220615890>Mosquito Man seems to forget he's supposed to be driving>dialogue is clunky and weird all around>the whole thing with Dr. Pavel's body double was retarded, in plane crashes they identify bodies with dental records and fingerprints plus they wouldn't be able to swap that much blood in the 10 seconds they were doing it anyways>even if we assume that somehow no radars picked up a second plane attacking the CIA plane the debris field that wreck left will tell investigators something really fucking weird happened and it wasn't just a normal crash (lost their wings at a relatively low altitude yet somehow stayed in the air for a few more minutes, bullet holes all over the interior and exterior)>not really a criticism because this would probably happen if it played out IRL but one of the rappelling guys from Bane's plane bonks his head pretty good on CIA's plane and that always makes me laugh
>>220616237>CIA's men react to Bane and the paratroopers initiating violence by turning around and beating up the other hooded and restrained prisoners>yes the other prisoners could have been big guys and broken out of their cuffs too, but in the moment they would be considered lesser threats than Bane and the men shooting through the windows
>>220615579I like the plane scene unironicly, which makes the rest of the movie being such a disaster worse
>>220615579This thread is incredibly painful
>>220615579Skyfall has one that’s infamous in its own right.
>>220616041It didn’t used to be there. Meme magic retroactively wrote it into existence.
>>220615579I think there's a few factors1) After the Dark Knight, this was an incredibly hyped movie and people had huge expectations for it2) Being the opening scene made it oddly surreal. I remember being a second late and missing the commercials, just catching the plane scene and I thought I had missed a big chunk of the movie. It's so out-of-nowhere.3) The actors were actually playing the scene differently than intended, Tom Hardy admitted in an AMA that the line was meant to be "it would be extremely painful for you" but he stressed it like "I'm a big guy for you". So stuff like that adds to the surrealness.
>>220616237You forgot:>CIA tells them that the “Flight Plan” only lists one of them. >Bane immediately calls bullshit, thereby indicating that he knows CIA either reported all of them (likely) or none of them (unlikely). >In spite of this, he still tells one of his Hired Guns to stay behind in the Wreckage Brother. Guess he just really didn’t like that guy.
>>220616344You’ve misunderstood a key component. CIA thought he was in control here. The key turning point was when Bane revealed that everything that had transpired to this moment, including getting himself caught, was all part of his master plan. This left CIA absolutely gobsmacked. His men were trained to know the squealers, and they suddenly sensed CIA’s previously hidden weakness, and panicked, reverting to hotheads. Because they were in the air already, CIA couldn’t get them out of there. His men weren’t making a smart decision, but it was very true to real life situations. If they had more time, so they could assess the situation, they might have come up with a better plan, but unfortunately, they had already gotten onboard and called it in. The flight plan wasn’t long enough. The negotiations were short. The bonus situation was entirely up in the air. Bane had revealed himself as the biggest guy on the entire plane, and then stated he was going to be crashing this plane. In that situation? You’re only looking out for you. It would be extremely painful to do otherwise. No, I’d be doing everything I could do not to end up in the wreckage, because I’m not wearing hockey pads.I would know that Bane expected at least one of us to end up in the wreckage, but I would have to hope that he learnt to count the same place that CIA did, because CIA had clearly had gotten too many men onboard for the flight plan, which explains why he needed to shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane. If I was lucky, I might have a nice trip and even be lucky enough to see Bane next fall. Don’t get me wrong, I would hope the rest of my team survived. No more dead cops. Not if I can help it. But at the end of the day, there was only one spot open off of this plane which would otherwise be crashing with no survivors, so at that moment, I would have to approach it like we were holding tryouts.The funny thing is, the other guys told me the same thing.
>>220616515The entire Nolan trilogy has a problem with quips, but this scene in particular. As you already mentioned, the “for you” quip was absolutely bungled, and I think that leaves it feeling almost dreamlike in how it lands in such a non-sequitor fashion, while the audience simultaneously understands exactly what inflection the script calls for. Because at its core, that quip is nothing more than an action movie cliche. And yet? It’s the core quip the entire scene revolves around. As though all Nolan and his team could think to do is lean on the Bane’s trait of being “big”. Then they hire Tom Hardy. He is not small. But comic Bane always looked like a WWE wrestler. Tom Hardy just looks like the strongest man at your local chain gym. Hardy’s line delivery is borderline incomprehensible, and when you add the bad mixing (a sign of things to come) the first time viewer is guaranteed to miss at least one or two of his lines unless they use subtitles. Add in the bizzare way the shot of CIA is framed, with his odd pose, and the entire thing feels self aware and self referential in an intentionally bad way. Like it’s poking fun at the genre it is a part of. The scenes feels like it was directed by David Lynch or Hideo Kojima, and the entire mess circles the drain caused by making the central quip of the opening scene come across like a social fopaux.Either Lynch or Kojima would love to play around in these waters, but everything else about Nolan’s work suggests he intends to avoid them. So the entire scene is left hanging a lampshade over it’s own directorial incompetence. It insists on itself being shit and the audience pretending it’s not, basically.That tension is the actual fuel for well over a decade of baneposting. That’s what funny. Not the incredibly formulaic lines.
>>220616827I’d go as far as to say the plane scene retroactively shines a light on the flaws not just in The Dark Knight, but all of Nolan’s work. It forced a decision, and the decision was made. Now all comic book movies focus entirely on their quips landing, so nothing can be left to interpretation. It’s the first horseman of utter capeshit exhaustion.
>>220616700The ending we deserved.
It's just overly complicated, stupid, pointless, and not "gritty" realism like the movie claims to be.
>>220617096Sure, but it’s also the single point where that tension between those two points of view, which hangs over the entire trilogy, cracks irreparably.
>>220616515Hardy delivered the For You closer to how the writer intended it when they first filmed the scene, and then changed it when he did the ADR, because he thought it was funnier that way
>>220615579Nolan loves his cold openings, but it has to be something that better draws the viewer into the world and earns their interest. TDKR's problem is that you have absolutely no clue what is going on and why should you care about anything yet.
>>220617983You are a sophist.
>>220615579FIRST ONE TO TALK GETS TO STAY ON MY AIRCRAFT!
>>220615579TELL ME ABOUT BANE! WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK?!
Who's Ittin?Who is Thea Gency?Who's Smee?Who's MaimanWhy does he call Dr. Pavel, Dr. Paveleer?Who is Button-Lee?Who is Juan of Yu?Why does he read out all of the names on the flight plan? Who the fuck are these people? In terms of writing and acting the scene was superb, but these plotholes, this artificial lore of characters we never got to see, ruined it for me.
