>>220618511
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iLDzhH1hRhU&pp=ygUQcGljYXJkIGdpbGdhbWVzaA%3D%3D

>>220618511
it's not that influential because it was lost for almost all recorded history. greek myths and the bible have this great accumulation of artistic representations and derivative works that were built up over the course of european history whereas gilgamesh only shows up in the 19th century when they start decoding these tablets. even things like arthurian legends or arabian nights mog gilgamesh in terms of impact and popular awareness.

>>220618750
>it's not influential
you're a fucking idiot

>>220618750
the same motiffs from the epic repeat even in the bible and the greek myths
even if the exact written source might have been lost, it has most certainly been passed orally and influenced them indirectly

the elites don't want you to realize the abrahamic framework is false

and there are many alternative religions and stories

>>220618511
>>220618888
its a fake narrative created to destroy the True Christian Story

>>220618511
girugamesh

>>220618888
it's the opposite, they want to mess with your mind making you think all religions and possibilities are true goy, it could mormon, it could be islam, it could gnosticism, who cares?
it's by design to confuse you.
But you "Abrahamic " unironically so no wonder you can't tell.

>>220618815
it's nowhere as influential on european culture as things that were actually present for the entirety of european history, yes.

>b-but it influenced things that were influential so it's influential indirectly
nobody cares.

>>220618865
yes, and nobody cares. if you go to rome you'll see throngs of people crowding around statues of david, neptune etc, not gilgamesh. gilgamesh is, relatively speaking, a footnote.

>>220618888
they want you to think the exact opposite and accept Satan and his false religions

>>220618939
>true christian story has to steal from surrounding religion

yeah nah

>>220619099
funny how all those religions are abrahamic

while your ancestral religions are completely destroyed

but you already knew that golem

>>220618511
as good as it gets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUcTsFe1PVs

>>220619299
>yeah nah

how old is human history according to science?

>>220618511
Because it's not European

>>220618511
>foundational myth of humanity that inspired countless others
This is correct.

>greatest story ever told
Let's not get hasty now....

>>220618888
Weird how the Elites seem to systematically take every possible step towards destroying Christianity at every possible opportunity.

>>220619299
>has to steal from surrounding religion
Lmao, this nigga just turned 15 and watched ZEITGEIST on YouTube.
>Christianity copied Egypt because....b-because a guy in Egyptian mythology comes back from the dead at one point!!!...
Lol

>>220618956
Underrated

>>220618511
>greatest story ever told
>foundational myth of humanity that inspired
It's not
It's special to us because it's the oldest story we have unearthed. All its relevance is in hindsight. There is no reasons to assume the story was well known in its time outside a narrow region, and there definitely exist both older and more culturally influential stories that are lost to time

All these judeaos seething

>>220619848
Jews love the Babylonians

>>220618511
They'd probably make Gil and Enkidu gay, which is antithetical to the entire point of their relationship as bros. You don't want a modern adaptation of this. It would have been kino during the peak of American animation for us to have gotten a movie of the epic of Gilgamesh though, but it's definitely fundamentally to much of a "bro" story for any honest rendition today. I mean, half the story is literally about two bros telling some hoe to fuck off lmao
>>220618888
You have to be 18 to post here. You also ideally have to not be retarded to post here but that's a big ask these days

>>220618511
UD REEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAA!

Fate/Stay Night

>>220618511
UDREEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
They memed the shit out of mesopotamian history a while back (you should see the brainrot videos, they're mental) but it's actually a sick song, I love it

>>220618511
Because it proves every Abrahamic religion is a charade

>>220618511
It confirms that the Great Flood in the Bible was an actual historical event, and the powers that be don't want people to know that.

>>220618750
>the bible have this great accumulation of artistic representations and derivative works
The bible is a work derived from the epic of gilgamesh

>>220619276
Kek. You are a massive faggot.

>>220620146
All it confirms is that Jews lifted the flood narrative from ancient Sumerians.

>>220619883
Jews hate the Babylonians because they forced them out of modern day Israel and destroyed Soloman's Temple. The Jews love Cyrus because after he conquered the Babylonians he allowed the Jews to go back and rebuild that temple.

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>>220620092
ILTAM ZUMRA RASHUPTI ELATIM.

>>220620146
>desert people living along rivers sometimes experience enormous floods
>WOAH THE WORLD IS LITERALLY ENDING BRO THE ENTIRE EARTH WAS COVERED IN WATER

>>220618750
Every artistic representation of the bible are fraudulent because they dont look like that

>>220620220
There are lots of underwater ruins in the Eastern Mediterranean, obviously the entire world wasn't flooded but to the people living in the region at the time it probably seemed like it was.

>>220618888
>>220620122
>abrahamic
Strange word considering the framework of Islam, modern judism, and Christianity do not agree.

>>220618956
based

>>220619540
>Foundational.
funny how it's never the other way around.

>>220620781
>Strange word considering the framework of Islam, modern judism, and Christianity do not agree
All of them consider Abraham a patriarch. I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Those 3 religions are abrahamic.

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>Marvel adapts Epic of Gilgamesh
>it's full of quips like these
Dropped

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>>220620092
For me it's the Hittite jumpscare. Classic

>>220618511
They need to gather more black people for the cast.

>>220620164
yes, and?

>>220620179
why does the simple and true fact that works europeans have been reading for their entire history are more influential than ones that they haven't make you so butthurt? when you bring up the idea of a great flood everyone thinks of noah, not "utnapishtim." they want to see a movie about noah, not a random cluster of letters they've never seen before in their life.

>>220619353
>>220619612
christgolem melty

your flood myth is stolen literally everything is stolen

you worship a plagiarized fraud lol

>>220618511
>gilgamesh poster
based. Why did he sperg out and destroy the boat man's statues?

>>220619299
your massive unnecessary use of spacing is all i need to know

>>220621491
>stick figure god came before Christianity so Christians copied it gotcha!

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Ahem

>>220618888
hobby lobby's bible museum literally has the gilgamesh tablet on display

>>220618939
why? it confirms the flood of noah

>>220621784
i came here to shill this

>>220619612
NTA, but YHWH, the name God gives in Exodus/names is also the name of a storm god from that region
>>220618888
>>220618939
the bible mentions gilgamesh's city by name

>>220620146
this
>>220620122
how? every culture has a flood myth

>>220621491
yuro time
yuro post

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>GIRUGAMESH!

>>220622858
Exactly. And all of those myths come from an actual flood since most people lived next to rivers. It wasn't the act of god but a natural event that people couldn't understand and got told and retold from generation to generation. The same way locust swarms happen naturally and have nothing to do with god, but the story of one case of locusts swarming Egypt got transformed into divine punishment because it helped the narrative of certain people being chosen by god and back then everybody was retarded and didn't understand nature

>>220622858
>every culture has a flood myth
Most Christfag arguments are just telling blatant lies. You're now free to move the goalposts.

>>220623261
fucking injuns and nips have flood myths. literally every culture other than maybe abbos has a flood myth.
every culture also has the 7 sisters myth with the stars from the Subaru logo

>>220618865
Isn't it easily possible and even likely that those motifs aren't original to the Epic of Gilgamesh, they just both come from the same source? If A influenced B & C then D was inspired by C, B is irrelevant in terms of influence even though the will share similarities due to both being influenced by A. Flood myths are found in cultures like the native Americans that migrated thousands of years before Babylonia was around. Gilgamesh is the earliest written example but is likely just one of a million incarnations of the same story.

>>220623340
Refer back to the post you replied to.

>>220623004
EPIC indeed!

>>220623261
there's a flood myth in gilgamesh...

>>220623345
I think it's most likely that they are all real events that really impacted the whole of ancient humanity, and what we have written down is the record of oral traditions all telling the same story that's been corrupted by the telephone game over tens of millennia.

>>220618865
>>220623345
The Q doccument
>>220623349
we get it, you are polish and jewish
>>220623401
the fucking abbos somehow have the same or more or less the same story as the greeks about the 7 sisters constellations and why you can only see 6 stars even though it's called the 7 sisters. The welsh have some story of a king that swam across the irish sea and killed all the micks and it mentions how the irish sea used to be different and the way it's described in the story is the way the irish sea would have existed during the last ice age. the abbos have some story about some piece of shit desert being a lake and they did analysis of the area and it was a lake like 10,000 years ago

>>220623401
I think future archaeologists will think this about our boatloads of zombie media when they discover them. Our alien invasion media too, maybe

>>220618511
Why would you want it adapted nowadays?

>>220620146
Saying that the flood myths around the world prove the specific biblical flood is real is like saying that the fact humans in all cultures worship god(s) that this means the biblical God is the one true god. This type of logic makes no sense because it could just as well mean that any one god is real or any one flood myth is the real one.

>>220618511
My soapbox. Gilgmesh was clearly one of the giants described in the Bible. His legend says he was 2/3 a god and 1/3 human. The Genesis chapter 6 account of the giants as offspring of man and Nephilim or fallen ones, fallen angels. Bible also describes them as son's of god but that's a mistranslation, it should read sons of heaven of sons of angels. But it's perfectly understandable why the legend has it as a 2/3 god. Bible describes many giants. Goliath being the most famous, (sorry Gilgamesh.) Gilgamesh was a Sumerian King of the Akkadian era. The Mesopotamian city of Uruk (or Erech) is mentioned in Genesis 10:10. The Bible tells us Moses was raised and an Egyptian prince with all the highest education so it can be assumed Moses was familiar with the epic of Gilgamesh. Moses uses similar idioms found in The Epic of Gilgamesh such as 'ripeness' and 'fruit' to describe sex. If you notice OP picture he's holding a full grown lion. Gilgamesh was a biblical giant. Gilgamesh is mentioned several times in The Book of Giants, part of the Enoch literature found among the The Dead Sea Scrolls. So the legend of Gilgamesh was familiar to many ancient Hebrews, particularly, Moses.

>>220618888
lot of seething christcucks replying to you.

abrahamic religions are brown-coded. white ancestors did not kneel to a brown god.

>>220618815
I’m a Christian dammit. Don’t call me an idiot. The Holy Bible is way more influential than this pagan occult story dammit.

>>220618511
Its same as hinduism. And they only adapt something that is dead like egypt and rome so as to avoid controversy

>>220624042
what do you think about the yhwh stormgod thing
>>220624127
if you're gunna samefag, don't reddit space, retard

>>220624326
why would anyone want to watch a movie about jeets?

>>220621201
>when you say something Semitic and they just Hittite you with the Indo-European stare

>>220624418
I don't know, RRR was pretty popular

>>220624918
maybe in the indian nation of yurop, but idk any white people who saw it

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>>220619612
from Michael S. Heiser‘s Demons

>>220625012
>56%

>>220618511
I think the reason why the Bible persevered throughput history is because it's one of the few ancient religious text with semi-competent story telling. Most religious texts read like a high school kid giving a bad book presentation.
>And the he goes to this place a d meets X
>They go on an adventure
>He then marries a woman that he loves very much
>They have kids
And even that sounds like shit you'd here in a random OT book.

>>220625309
America is the only nation that has white people
>>220625226
they even mention gilgamesh's city by name and other gods in the early part of the bible
>>220625418
the bible does have those retarded ass
>x begot y
sections and gilgamesh is a fairly decent narrative if repetitive

>>220619612
Absolute cope. Is Jesus Horus? No. But much of the OT is based off of Babylonian, Sumerian, and Egyptian mythos. FFS, the Chirch has God knows how many holidays derived from European pagans.

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>>220625418
>semi-competent story telling.
>4 books repeating the same story

>>220625616
And all 4 books are written semi-competently. Are you missing something?

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>>220618511

>>220625616
the 4 gospels are the new testament, that anon was talking about the OT
you aren't really supposed to read all 4 gospels, as >>220625769 says they were all written within a century or so of each other and they are all intended for different audiences. One is just a straight account of what happened, one is for nonjews, one is for jews and one is arguing to christians that Jesus is the son of God

>>220625447
And Gilgasmesh‘s would-be lover, Inanna aka Ishtar, is the same Queen of Heaven referred to in Jeremiah (7:18 & 44:19)!

>>220625769
>>220625837
>semi-competently
I guess you put semi in there because even you acknowledge the contradictions between them

>>220625877
there really aren't that many contradictions between the 4 gospels in terms of what the actual narrative of jesus's life was. whenever someone tries to push this shit it's always like super nitpickey shit.

>>220625954
But why have 4 versions then? Why didn't they just have 1 version of 1 story?

>>220625954
But even a single successful nitpick disproves the idea of inerrancy, which at least has been held by many people

>>220626112
see>>220625837
they were written for different audiences. Mark is basically just
>x happens and then y happens than then z happens
Matthew and Luke had access to Mark and we believe a second lost document called the "Q source". Matthew is just Mark and Q rewritten for jews saying jesus was king of the jews. Luke is Mark and Q rewritten for nonjews saying Jesus is the son of god and you don't need to cut your dick or stop eating shrimp, all men can worship christ even if you aren't a jew.
John was written later than the other three and was basically one guy preaching his own interpretation of the bible to early christians like the way some people debate theology
>>220626344
>But even a single successful nitpick disproves the idea of inerrancy,
not really. the 4 gospels were written by 4 different guys years after christ died. minor nitpicks don't change anything or make the whole thing wrong. Do we have any historical accounts with 4+ sources where all sources agree with each other on literally every detail?

>>220626384
>Do we have any historical accounts with 4+ sources where all sources agree with each other on literally every detail?
Retarded argument
You said it yourself, 2 of the gospel writers basically used the same source
So it's actually 2 accounts, and like you said it's his interpretation

>>220626421
what are the nitpicking discrepancies that you are seething about, retardo?

>>220626537
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_Jesus

>>220618511
Because of the Global Flood to Christ is King pipeline.

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>>220626384
One error indeed wouldn’t make the whole thing wrong - there clearly historically was a preacher named Jesus who got crucified; mythicism is retarded - but it would mean you couldn’t take the whole thing as being perfect and inerrant in its transmission to humans, which is a position many people have held
Like, Yeshua himself coulda been saying the perfect and inerrant gospel truth, but then that gets garbled by the later scribes
I still wanna know what he supposedly told Judas about the Land of Barbelo

>>220619299
How are you a Reddit spacer and a retard chud? Weird.

>>220618750
You not being aware of something does not discount it still being a fact.
Greek mythology and the bible emanates from the Gilgamesh epic , and Mesopotamian religion more broadly.

>>220626554
>joseph's geneology
who the fuck cares? joseph wasn't even jesus's dad
>>220626577
>>220626584
based
>>220626624
the only example the other guy gave was the joseph's ancestry which is a huge who cares

>>220618511
Hope Nolan gets it after the Odyssey is not a catastrophic flop

>>220618511
Victor Wembyana is an alien hybrid preparing us for full disclosure. He is human mixed with Annunaki dna.

>>220626698
I agree that’s a who cares; my points are just that one error implies others (maybe even about the Big Stuff) and that inerrancy has been a real school of thought
I think there’s also disagreement about how many angels were at the tomb and what his final words were, but atm I’m thinking it’s all best read as metaphor

>>220626698
>who the fuck cares?
Was Joseph the product of cuckolding then? Who cares about paternity, amirite my polyxisters?

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Matt Damon is
>"He who saw all, who was the foundation of the land, who knew (everything), was wise in all matters: Gilgamesh."

>>220626978
Jack Black or Jason Momoa as Enkidu? Call it.

>>220618511
jews can't figure out how to corrupt it since it predates them by two millenia

>>220626998
Jack Black as Utnapishtim

>be the gods
>create a slave race to do your bidding
>they revolt
>create humans to do the bidding instead
>they grow too numerous
>lol let's just kill them, fuck those guys

Why the fuck do the gods hate mankind??

>>220627225
They noisy

>>220627280
Some, might say, they were chimping out?

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>>220618750
>even things like arthurian legends or arabian nights mog gilgamesh in terms of impact and popular awareness.
Of those the only one I had to study in high school was Gilgamesh. We literally studied Homer and Gilgamesh together, back to back. I never even heard of arabian nights until decades after I got my PhD. But the Arthurian Legends is a good example, I've never had to study that in school ever but it's so well known everyone knows about it from a young age. I would say the Arthurian Legends mogs homer and competes with the Bible in popular awareness

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>>220627312
Seems like a fair synopsis to me

>>220627225
In those days, in those distant days, in those nights, in those remote nights, in those years, in those distant years; in days of yore the race of men were akin to ethnic minorities on public transport.

>>220627555
What a dreadful noise plebs make when they're happy

>>220626779
I think the apostles names don't match, but that's mostly for the ones no one cares about that don't have any speaking lines
>>220626810
joseph wasn't jesus's father and they have some explanation about the weird way jew law deals with adoption

>>220627280
kek
>>220627390
how the fuck did you never hear about arabian nights? granted, the 2 most famous 1001 arabian nights stories (aladdin and sinbad) aren't actually in arabian nights and were added for the english translation

>>220627616
The Wildman were more civilized than the city people :(

>>220627649
>t. Enlil

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>>220618511
Has there ever been an adaptation of the Iliad? I mean a real one, not something like Troy

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>>220618750
>greek myths
Greek mythology is weak sauce and Greek mythology =/= Homer. Hesiod, same time as Homer was bigger with Greek Mythology
Homer is like the Avengers of ancient Greece. It would be like if WW3 breaks out, 99.9% of humans & civilization & culture are destroyed, then centuries later when humanity rebuilds, the oldest surviving work we have is the Avengers. Then we we start producing quality works again but for thousands of years there are small number of plebes who never studied the Avengers who think it's some sort of great work

With ancient Greece it would be like this

8th century BC - Homer (the Avengers)

6th century BC - Sappho, the "Tenth Muse"

5th century BC
The "Shakespeares" of Ancient Greece emerge
>Aeschylus, the father of tragedy
>Sophocles
>Euripides
>Aristophanes

4th Century BC
>Plato
>Aristotle
>Menander

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>>220627913
of course

>>220628242
I mean if we’re just talking about 2012 Avengers, said future plebs would be right

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>>220627871
>this is music, wait until Nimrod has them howling for our blood
the gods must be judged for what they have done

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>>220628365
Per Enoch, they will be!

>>220628242
>Homer is like the Avengers of ancient Greece
Not even slightly. If Homer can be compared to any modern American film it would be comparable to something like The Patriot or Gettysburg that dramatizes and fictionalizes a key event in the history of a nation.
>But The Trojan War didn't actually happen!
That doesn't matter, it was as real to the Greeks of Homer's time as the Revolutionary War or Civil War are to Americans today.

>>220618750
this is true. also the two main Homeric epics, especially the Iliad, really turn Gilgamesh on its head and they were refined by generations of orators.

>>220618939
>christcuckery
>real
Pic one and only one shiteater.

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>>220618750
>it's not that influential because
Let's start with the basics. Gilgamesh is the product of Sumer, the earliest known civilization in human history. Their language, Sumerian, is the oldest attested language in human history

You know the saying "the greatest invention since the wheel?" Who do you think invented the wheel?

>>220629067
good morning, saar and shalom

>>220629084
sumeria =/= gilgamesh

>>220623004
Nice. Came here to post this

>>220629285
Greece =/= homer

The oldest epic recognized is the Epic of Gilgamesh (c.2500–1300 BC), which was recorded in ancient Sumer

The oldest epic in Greek history is Homer, c. 800-700 BC

Of the two epics, which one was hundreds of years ahead of its time?

>>220629538
the argument was gilgamesh is not as influential because it was not translated until recently
your counter argument was that sumeria is influential, therefore, gilgamesh is influential
nothing your saying is making the case against the original argument

>>220629622
>not as influential because it was not translated until recently
Avengers is more influential than both, when was that duscivered. So your point is something only a retard would even entertain. We are talking about non-retards here

>>220629655
>duscivered
Hurr you're a retard because you hit send without reading first. That's what you're retarded brain is thinking right?

Speaking of retards and ancient Greece, was anybody here taught either of the two most important and influential writers in Greek history: Plato & Aristotle (the father of Logic)?

It's amazing these two aren't the core of our educational system. They literally invented school as far as Western Civilization is concerned

>>220618511
everyone ITT is retarded but me. Its because its all BAAL worship and human sacrifice until Yahweh does the opposite and proves his rule. Adapting it would be like adapting the bronze age era discovery of tin, sure it was world impactful, but the world has been reshaped.

>>220629886
I was looking at the study of Plato and Aristotle at Harvard or Yale a few years ago, looking up all the topics they cover and all the classes they offer
They get so into it that they offer two tracts of study, the more prestigious one is the students learning ancient Greek just to study Plato and Aristotle in their original launguage

>>220629886
first of all the western world is Socratic, so im not sure im following what, if anything it is you are trying to say. There is a very specific reason Plato is not front and center and I will let you deduce why

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>>220618750
It does look like the architecture of ancient Greek & Rome was inspired by Uruk
>Gilgamesh, according to the chronology presented in the Sumerian King List (SKL), ruled Uruk in the 27th century BC.
>Uruk played a leading role in the early urbanization of Sumer in the mid-4th millennium BC. By the final phase of the Uruk period around 3100 BC, the city had 80,000-90,000 people living in its environs, making it the largest urban area in the world at the time.

>>220630187
We only know Socrates through the writings of Plato and Aristotle. You understand this right? Glad you starting to read up on them.

>>220630442
over
head

>>220630401
uruk =/= gilgamesh

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>>220618750
When the West rediscovered the Greeks, you'd be the guy seething: "don't study the Greeks, they aren't popular culture, we don't have this great accumulation of artistic representations and derivative works that were built up for the Greeks! Ignore the Greeks! Stay ignorant like me!"

>plato posits the complete the ideal form a philospher king must order the polis correctly
Jesus Christ
>socratic method never ends, replaces priesthood with secular structure justification through procedure
elites have no oversight

only one of these philosophers present a philosophy to manage the elites without taxation or other elite oversight. And you wonder why one isnt front and center

>>220629084
Current evidence points toward Europeans being the inventors of the wheel.

>>220618511
>greatest story ever told
That’s not Goodnight Moon.

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>>220618511
>greatest story ever told
The Mahabharata mogs every other ancient epic so hard

>>220618956
Based

>>220631423
qrd?

>>220631423
Yes unironically and the fact that jeets supposedly spawned it makes me believe all modern Indians are just recent replacements

as you can see itt it will never be adapted because then all the desert cultists will realize that their entire lived are dictated by fanfiction

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>>220630401
>around 3100 BC, the city had 80,000-90,000 people living in its environs, making it the largest urban area in the world at the time.

There were only 35M to 45M people on the entire Planet Earth at the time. That's what Texas (32M) & California (39M) have now

Uruk marked a major shift in human history as humanity transitioned from

1) widespread, mobile hunter-gatherer groups to
>like how people envision Africans and 2nd Amendment Right nut jobs that think we're going to take their hunter-gatherer collection of 200 guns

To

2) agricultural, and urbanized city-states

So that's where Ancient Greece got that from too

>>220618511
>>greatest story ever told
Oh, is it as good as The Big Bang Theory?
Didn’t think so.

>>220630037
Gilgamesh and Sumer well predate Ba‘al

bump

>>220618511
Only Mel Gibson is capable of it.

>>220633912
Someone should let Mel know his expertise is needed

>>220620198
or that it was a commonly known event that took place and affected a lot of people. Also it wasn't the Jews, but the hebrews, which are a different group of people, but you wouldn't know anything about that, would you retard-kun?

>>220621784
Unironically a great rendition of the character and got me into the epic to begin with. I learned about it in highschool but didn't care, but right when I got into college I watched Fate Zero and I loved Gil in it. I love how much of an asshole he is. Made me go back and really appreciate the actual epic. Really glad I learned about it beforehand

>>220634015
Not sure where , but I heard this strange theory that Moses actually stole the Ark of the Covenant from the pyramid of Giza which was a relic from Atlantis and that is why the Pharoah gave chase. Ever heard anything like that before?

>>220624042
Most likely, there are a lot of similar tales of giants being massive problem before the great flood. After the great flood, or at least, the great cataclysmic event that upset the entire order of the world, it seems that giants began to die off and got more and more rare. I do think something genuinely did happen in times so long ago at best we only have old tales vaguely recounting it. It really does feel like things were probably getting out of hand with these giants interbreeding with humanity and messing up God's plan, so he basically restarted the whole thing

>>220624418
Technically all the really old cool jeet stories are about White people, Aryans to be exact, coming in and doing cool stuff. Modern day indians are just the slave class of dalits who "won" out over a massive time scale with interbreeding and probably rape

>>220618511
Mental how this is possibly the most important thing in human history and most of humanity doesn't know about it.

>>220618511
What for? So they make half the cast black and the other half white and no one looks sumerian? Just like in the oddysey they erased meds? No thanks.

>>220618511
ancients had HGH?
WTF I love my gymbro ancients now

>>220631579
I don't know why retards like you think civilizational degeneration isn't possible without some kind of miscegenation element

>>220628427
>the gods of the old world will be punished and cast into hell for their mistreatment of humanity
kino, paganfags literally assbleeding rn for no reason

>>220630401
>>220631680
Ancient Greek architecture was inspired by the wooden buildings that the Greeks then just copied over when they learned stone working from the Egyptians.
Making round stone columns is hard, but it makes sense that they were just copying the simple tree trunk columns that they originally used in their wooden buildings.
Meanwhile Mesopotamia's chief building material was always mudbricks because they didn't have dense forests nearby nor large stone quarries but they lived between two rivers that flooded regularly and deposited large amount of clay, and the sunny climate was perfect for just laying out wet clay bricks and letting the sun do all the work.

>>220634145
No but that sounds interesting. Iirc that's not entirely impossible given what the Bible says, but I'd have to double check. I've heard theories that the ark of the covenant was some kind of WMD from either the heavens of atlantis or something before though, likely nuclear in nature. Then again who knows, but it certainly is a fascinating idea, thanks for sharing anon

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>>220634209
Ancient Aryans probably looked more like modern day Iranians than some Hitler Youth looking niggas

>>220634654
Ark of the Covenant was Nordic

>>220618750
complete drooling retard take

a man tripping over a log thirteen thousand years ago has had more influence on humanity than you will ever accumulate in your lifetime. the world would look alien to you today were it not for babylon, falsely assuming you would exist in the first place.

>>220634435
probably because of history

>>220634240
I don't think anyone alive today looks like an ancient Sumerian of the time of Gilgamesh and casting the most giggachad looking White people is probably the closest we'd reasonably get, but then again, that's the case with a lot of adaptations of ancient tales

>>220634724
Yeah dude please tell me how modern Greeks and modern Italians are browner than ancient Greeks and ancient Italians
Make sure to post some photoshopped Nordcuck infographics

>>220634687
Nords are White niggers and I'm tired of pretending like they aren't. I have never had an interaction with a Nordic where I was impressed by them and they compare more akin to the many annoying brownoid people I've had to suffer in my life. The nordicist meme CANNOT end fast enough. They are a pretty people though, usually, I'll give them that

>>220634435
large scale migrations, invasions, importation of slaves and employment of foreign armies are present in every civilizational decline I can think of off the top of my head, which is probably more than you.

>>220618511
I'm sure it would become a meme just for the part where he kills the monster bull and flings its penis at Ishtar.

>>220634765
True, Rome fell because of Nordic immigration
And the brown Indus Valley Civilization fell because of Aryan immigration

>>220634729
If we go by that rule the closest thing would be southern europeans, not whites

>>220618956
and gaymen

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>>220634729
>I don't think anyone alive today looks like an ancient Sumerian
SCIENCE says southern iraqis

>>220634744
the mass importation of slaves from the near east and north africa is extremely well known to people who study even a little bit of history from the period. sicily in particular saw massive amounts of slaves imported to the region even well beyond the collapse of the roman empire and to this day is noticeably swarthier than northern italy.

>>220634831
Sumerians were Nordic

>>220634841
What about the mass importation of Germanics? Shouldn't they have whitened the Italians?

Imagine busting a nut in Ishtar

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>>220634875
Ishtar looked like this

>>220634790
the western roman empire fell due to hiring mass amounts of gaelic and germanic auxiliaries as well as importing large amounts of slaves from the near east and north africa. "nordic" not really, would be anochronistic to say that.

indus valley "civilization"(arguable whether or not they had writing) probably collapsed due to aryan invasion, yes. lines up about perfectly.

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>>220634859
Go bait somewhere else
>>220634875
You mean Inanna

>>220634841
>sicily in particular saw massive amounts of slaves imported to the region even well beyond the collapse of the roman empire and to this day is noticeably swarthier than northern italy.
It's the opposite, North Italy is lighter because of heavier Germanic and Celtic admixture. Southern Italians are basically the same color as the rest of the Mediterranean people on their latitude.

>>220634898
>the western roman empire fell due to hiring mass amounts of gaelic and germanic auxiliaries as well as importing large amounts of slaves from the near east and north africa.
I like how you claim slaves only came from the brown parts, not from say Gaul or Britain

>>220634873
that is precisely what happened in northern italy, yes.

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>>220634831
I NEED a wife that looks like this

>>220634905
NAT but north italians cluster genetically with spaniards not germs
and southern italians have a very distinct look that is closer to levantines than to other southern europeans

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>>220625824
holy schizo posting, mongrel. I was thinking the Enkidu tale simply shows how women destroy the community a man can establish with nature. Aka as fuck women, the first take.

>>220632996
they only know sumer late in the game, larping satanists the entire history of mankind. And BAAL is a catchall term for any worshiped god excpet Yahweh, and Yahweh literally fights every god in sumer with 300 priests like hes a spartan

>>220634938
But why only the north? Shouldn't slaves have gone to the south too?

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>>220631680
When reading Uruk's great epic of Gilgamesh, one of the things to read it alongside with is the story of Adam & Eve from Genesis

Garden of Eden
The parallels between the stories of Enkidu/Shamhat and Adam/Eve have been long recognized by scholars.[67][68] In both, a human is created from the soil by a god and lives in nature. He is introduced to a female congener who tempts him. In both stories the man accepts food from the woman, covers his nakedness, and must leave his former home, unable to return. The presence of a snake who steals a plant of immortality from the hero later in the epic is another point of similarity. However, a major difference between the two stories is that while Enkidu experiences regret regarding his seduction away from nature, this is only temporary: After being confronted by the god Shamash for being ungrateful, Enkidu recants and decides to give the woman who seduced him his final blessing before he dies. This is in contrast to Adam, whose fall from grace is largely portrayed as a punishment for disobeying God and the inevitable consequence of the loss of innocence regarding good and evil.

>>220634925
britain and gaul had been a part of the empire for centuries by the time of western collapse.

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>>220634873
>>220634938
>this meme again

>>220635007
What's your point?

>>220635010
Where are the Nordics?

>>220634960
the mass importation of germanics(though way moreso gauls from outside italy) in the north wasn't entirely because of slavery, anon. these people moved into a power vacuum.

>>220635043
Why didn't Gauls whiten the Italians?

>>220635064
France has always been Black, racist

>>220635010
yes, most of the invaders of italy at the collapse of the western roman empire were gauls, not germans.

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>>220634969

Remember:

While the story of Adam & Eve is allegory, the important concept it introduced to the human race is the concept of Original Sin, which is a foundational principle of Western Civilization

The other two cut off from pic related were:

Resistance to Tyranny:
>Because no human leader was free from this innate corruption, unquestioning obedience to mortal rulers was rejected. It established the idea that human institutions are inherently imperfect, justifying citizens in holding their governments accountable to a higher moral standard.

Critique of Totalitarianism:
>As political philosophers later noted, the belief that humans are universally flawed prevents the glorification of the state. It rejects utopian political movements that demand total submission or promise absolute perfection on earth, thereby protecting individual liberties from state-enforced conformity.

>>220635064
your reading comprehension is abysmal. northern italy today is noticeably less warthy than southern italy, especially sicily. this is partially due to invasions from other parts of europe at the collapse of the western roman empire in the north of italy, and mass importation of slaves from north africa and the near east into sicily.

you are a drooling retard.

>>220634209
You know that these cool white Aryans were all illiterate villagers until Persians taught them how to write and build in stone, right?
Don't look up the cool stuff about the white Aryan Ashvamedha ritual either.

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>>220635117
But why did Romans send just the brown slaves to Sicily? Shouldn't they have sent the Germanic and Gaulish slaves there too?

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>>220635095
abrahamic cults are demonic inversions of reality

original sin teaches you deserve torture and abuse by default

original sin tells you to accept evil as the status quo

original sin tells you to be enslaved to a jewish war deity

>>220635095
>posting AI explanations unironically

And if the Adam and Eve story was meant to inspire people to resist tyranny, why did the same people accept the divine right of kings?

>>220635163
you're not thinking in terms of numbers and time frames. on top of that people were moving slaves into sicily long after the collapse of the roman empire and these were mainly from the near east and especially africa.

>>220635248
Source?

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>>220635268
It was revealed to me in a dream by the ba of Ramses II
He looked exactly like this

>>220635268
it's not really disputed at all that sicily has been the hotbed of slavery in italy from roman times to late medieval times. you can flip over those rocks if you want since sicilians being objectively darker than north italians seems to confuse you.

>>220635466
So, nothing? Surely you have some genetic studies to back your claim of Near Eastern and North African DNA being significantly present in Sicilians?

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>>220635268
but just because I am generous and you seem like someone who needs some humility, here is a graph for you to ponder over.

the brown means "sub-saharan african"

>>220635510
I posted one even though you don't deserve it. because of how obviously wrong you are. and how motivated you are by something other than historical curiosity.

you are a pathetic human being.

>>220635510
also the yellow in that graph is "west asian"

>source?!?!? source??A?A
redditor debate club faggot who is also objectively wrong.

>>220635514
Look, you suggested that an association with being brown may be connected with bad things. I don't like that. Why can't you let me win?

>>220635569
I actually never did. you projected that onto what I said because you are onions. even though I believe it is true and am now saying it, it has not been said to this point nor even remotely suggested.

>>220635514
how did sub-saharans get to iran

>>220635625
same way they got to many other parts of the middle east. look into the ottoman empire.

>>220635248
>on top of that people were moving slaves into sicily long after the collapse of the roman empire and these were mainly from the near east and especially africa.
You just made this up

>>220635667
so they came during the muslim rule in sicily?

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Civilization was started by White people

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>>220634969
Pretty interesting parallels, anon. Its almost as if Enkidu and Adam were Wizards, and women stole their powers.

>>220635746
jews are white?

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>>220635095
>>220635234
>And if the Adam and Eve story was meant to inspire people to resist tyranny,

Why aren't people inspired by God and instead choose turn away from God like this guy:
>>220635175

That's the story of the Bible: of humanity not being inspired by God, constantly going against God, but that story is still be written

All of Western Civilization is built on two pillars
1) our Judeo-Christian heritage
2) our Greco-Roman heritage

In addition to Original Sin another foundational principle of Western Civilization is the concept of Monotheism (I didn't ask about the concept of Free Will yet)

Ask AI about Monotheism you get pic related plus:

A Transcendent Foundation for Rights:
>Monotheism laid the groundwork for natural rights theory. The conviction that fundamental human rights and liberties are granted by the Creator—rather than being privileges granted or revoked by the state—became a cornerstone of modern democratic thought and constitutional freedoms.

>>220635778
ancient jews were nordic

>>220635789
ask AI to kill yourself

>>220635669
it lines up pretty well with who was selling slaves, from where they were selling them and the modern genetics of sicily, where it's been estimated at any given time 10% of the population was slaves throughout much of the medieval period. which is a very large amount compared to most of europe at the time.

it's as made up as any other obvious inference a historian writes down on paper.

>>220635746
Atlantis, for certain. But there was also that other Lemuria. The rumors are that Aryans hail from Atlantis, Thoth himself spread the Word to Egypt, Tibet and South America after the deluge. Then, a twin group of rival priests continued the war in secret through the ages; Aryan and Hebrew. One fell deeper into material being and embraced the wild, the other established a system of Lodges.


But those are just rumors...

>>220635682
the question is "how did niggers get to iran"

your response to my answer is a complete non-sequitur

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>>220635746
white people are the nearest to God in their image
and just as God created the universe so do his nearest children White people create civilization

Of course just as Gods light gets obscured by the Darkness over time, so does the White blood get obscured by all the Brown and Black people which is what happened to many ancient civilizations that were historically white like India, Egypt, Sumeria, etc

>>220635806
>it lines up pretty well with who was selling slaves
Jews?

>>220635806
nigga most slaves used to come eastern europe
look up where the word slave comes from

>>220635851
WE

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>>220635851
Actually Egyptian society was male brown bulls paired with white women

>>220635940
Egypt inherited their gift from Thoth, who was a man from Atlantis. The original king of Atlantis was Atlas, the man who carried the weight of the world on his shoulders.

>>220635137
There is a lot of White nigger activity in history. Some of it is at least cool on the surface and that's moreso what I'm referring to. I wouldn't be shocked if these people were retarded and illiterate, I mean, they did get bred out of existence by fucking dalits of all creatures. Granted that was "relatively" recent in history but still, pretty embarrassing

>>220635918
WUZ

>>220635983
Why isn't it called Atlasis then?

>>220635984
I don't think you've even read the Mahabharata. One of the gods is Krishna. Go on, look up what Krishna literally means.

>>220635137
and those brown Elamites got conquered by the 'illiterate' Aryans and if you are an Iranian you speak a language descended from those same people

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>>220636091
and white america got conquered by the 'illiterate' black culture and if you are a zoomer american you speak a language descended from those same people

>>220636108
Then why wasn't the king called Atlant?

>>220618815
No, no it isnt

>>220636132
okay anon :)

>>220634145
atlantis is an egyptian myth, if I remember correctly. it was Egyptian and then a greek guy brought it from egypt to greece

>>220635789
There are no rights, only liberties afforded to civilizations that have mastered nature to a high enough degree. When the necessary attributes no longer exist within a civilization those liberties are lost and nature comes back to drag them into the muck.

>>220635983
>>220636108
Wrong. Atlantis was named after the Atzlan who were the white gods that the Aztecs worshiped. After Atlantis was destroyed, the Atzlan moved to Mexico and founded the Aztec civilization.

Why did a Gilgamesh thread turn into who's white, who's brown?

>>220636329
Right, like said here
>>220635825
>The rumors are that Aryans hail from Atlantis, Thoth himself spread the Word to Egypt, Tibet and South America
>south america
Atlantis survivors spread to three corners and shared their knowledge with the locals.

>>220636360
cause whites can't stop wewuzing

>>220636360
(((you know who))) started calling people retarded and sewing discord. im not sure why

>>220636393
>sewing discord
I only knit discord

>>220636405
oh you

>>220636360
Because all of history is about white/whitish people and east asians. Everyone else only shows up because they come to serve as slaves or pillage.

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>>220636432
This, Sumerians were Chinese

>>220636360
Because everyone thinks he's the only person with access to Wikipedia.

>>220624042
>>220634168
the giant thing is because hunter gatherers were taller than modern humans and early farm cucks were like 4'9"

>>220636457
Ahura Mazda FEARS the YELLOW EMPEROR (augmented by the splendor of Enlil and Enki and coated in IMMORTAL MERCURY MELAMMU)

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>>220618511
We have this, its more than we deserve

>>220636567
The giants were the Nordics who were worshiped as gods by the subhuman brownoid farmers

>>220629622
>>the argument was gilgamesh is not as influential because it was not translated until recently
Translated into what, you idiot? English?

People in Sumer knew it and it spread all over the region, contemporaneously to its original composition. It was THE myth everyone knew about, when these other guys you're talking about from other cultures like the Israelites started making their own.
The idea that the Persians and the Assyrians and all of these other cultures which sprang up later in the region didn't know of Gilgamesh is retarded.

>>220634744
t. pretending the Ottomans did not exist

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>>220631537
The Mahabharata is an epic about two branches of a dynasty and a devastating war of succession between them over the throne. It also goes on a lot of tangents on philosophy, religion, state craft etc. The characters are more complex than most and the individual journeys they go on and events and characters from generations before the main charaters were even born all figure in cool ways in the main plot.

It's up there with the Iliad imo because if you look at more and more epics from around the world, most of them are just this warrior/family/tribe going through a series of fairy tale adventures that have very little narrative connection between them.

This is a pretty good prose adaptation

https://archive.org/details/mahabharata-willim-buck

>>220636718
>you idiot
fuck you. eat my shit

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>>220631680
Looks a lot like Athens

The Anu District (White Temple)
>Located in the older, western sector of the city, this district featured the monumental Anu Ziggurat. Atop this massive platform sat the famous "White Temple," a striking structure made of mud-brick and coated in bright white gypsum plaster.

>>220636795
>Ottomans were in Italy

>>220636874
It sure does. Neat. Its fun to think about the universality of life and how humans develop. Did the Athenians build the Acropolis because it was the highest point and it revers the Gods? Or did they build on the highest point because it was defensible? Are they one and the same? Life, Death, the Gods (((or God for the monotheists)))

>>220636360
/pol/trannies literally cannot think about anything other than race

>>220636913
>ignoring greeks
>pretending that a major military expansion that went all the way to France had no effect on Italy

>>220636811
If it's not based on the BORI Critical Edition, it's trash

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>>220637014
>Ottomans spending a day in France meant Italy became brown overnight
Why are people like you so hellbent on making history about white women getting fucked by brown men?

>>220618511
>he doesn't even debate between sheep and grain

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>>220636874
The temple there in Athens is devoted to Athena/Minerva
>The Parthenon

>>220631680
The temple there in Uruk is traditionally thought to be devoted to Uruk's equivalent of Zeus/Uranus
>The Anu Ziggurat
>With a height of 13 metres, it overtook the Tower of Jericho as the world's tallest structure from its creation around 4000 BC until around 2667 BC when it was overtaken by the Pyramid of Djoser in Egypt

>>220637062
>overnight
strawman because you have no actual argument

>>220627913
That painting is amazing.

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>>220637013
>Ironyposting

>>220625454
>much of the OT is based off of Babylonian, Sumerian, and Egyptian mythos
Absolute cope. Is much of the OT is based off of Babylonian, Sumerian, and Egyptian mythos? No. That's like saying if there's God and gods then it's similar and therefore based on.
>spirits
>ghosts
>demons
>heaven
>hell
etc

>>220621475
It's funny that you're literally too retarded to understand how influence works.

>>220638783
why are you so mean to other people?

>>220638605
I know. I need to visit the Achilleion someday.

>>220620164
nah

>>220625418
The bible has good moments, but then it repeats the details of the tabernacles construction, colors, and content over and over and over again in an autistic fashion that forces you to skip pages
>>220626344
The spirit of the story is more important than random details

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>>220625418
The Hindu Ramayana and Mahabharata not only continue the same story but also has genealogy linking all the characters together as descending from the first man.

Not only do some immortal characters from the older Ramayana appear in the Mahabharata but the descendents of Rama, the hero of the Ramayana, appear in the Mahabharata and are fighting on the antagonists side and get their asses handed to them by the heroes of the Mahabharata.

Yes, it's very rare for ancient epics to have a coherent, continuing story. The Hindu epics did it much before the Bible even.

>>220635793
>who never lived in nordic sphere neither originated there
>They are all tribes of israel who settled in north

>>220622858
>how? every culture has a flood myth
Yeah, and every culture has at least some proximity or origin related to a floodplain.
It's a story that relates to all of agricultural societies because it's the most common side effect of relying on the sea or rivers and it's even a catastrophe that deserts are susceptible to.
Even if there was a common origin to all the stories, it's just the story that all farmers will relate to.

>>220639106
>The spirit of the story is more important than random details
I entirely agree!