He actually did nothing wrong, other than losing the war.
He's a dickhead backstabbing nepobaby with a punchable face and no balls, bossed around by his whore of a mama. give me a break, Caesar was in the right
>>220622030Enough about Octavian.
and losing a war is the one thing you were not allowed to do as a roman generalyou were not even allowed to play for time or be defensive in your warfareone guy did it and they attacked him so virulently it's still known as 'fabian tactics' to this very day
>>220621948>kill the dictator>leave his 2nd lieutenant>literally not plan for what happens nextyou might be a retard
>>220622356It'd wrong to also murder him. He wasnt the tyrant.
>>220621948Radmure did what?
>>220622030>dickheadI read that as dickheadus maximus for some reason.
>>220622582If the rule brought him to this, of what use was the rule?
>>220622126and what, you're just gonna skip over the fact that Rome did a collective 180 & went back to dick-riding Fabius as if he was the father of all Rome & an absolute mega genius the micro-second after Cannae?
>>220622050burn
>>220621948Why the hell didnt he join Caesar the first timr around? They were friends after all
>>220621948Should have taken that job in Macedonia
>>220621948He wasn't reasonable
My gf could not handle the lesbian age gap followed by the brother/sister sex. Was the show geared too much towards young men?
>>220622748It was geared towards people who think about Rome
>>220622748Shows women will never understand Octavia is perfect in the show.
>>220621948the whole idea, in that show at least, is that he's JC's son. Also they would have made Jesus the son of Titus Pullo if it kept going, but maybe the son of JC and Cleo
>>220622748>I care what women thinkNGMI
>>220621948He was an usurer who took advantage of his role as governor in the province. He was evil and Caesar was good. Augustus was better.
On a rewatch I really sympathized with his character. Put yourself in his position: Your respectable father figure has plotted to overthrow the government. Your family's reputation revolves around stamping out tyranny. When asked to choose sides, you put your personal feelings aside and act upon your principles - choosing wrong. You're humiliated but your life is spared and now you must live with the fact that you betrayed someone you loved as a father. Now your mother, who can't get over the nasty separation from your father figure, is constantly plotting and whispering in your ear to betray him again - not for the good of the republic - but for a personal vendetta. Her desire for revenge ultimately destroys the family dynasty.He was put in a lose/lose/lose situation at every turn.
>>220623753He was trying to save the republic from the Dictator who declared himself in charge for life.
>>220621948I wish the actor didn't mumble his lines every fucking time. He was unwatchable in GoT as well.
>>220623770He should have done this >>220622709
>>220622030The queen of Bithynia was making a move. He had to get it on.
>>220622709>>220624483Even if he had, Octavian was such a cunt he probably would have drummed up a reason to have Brutus killed.
>>220622126The delayer was not some maligned figure.Plutarch Praises him and compares him to Pericles in Parallel lives.
>>220624599That goes without saying since keeping an idiotic backstabbing cunt like Brutus around is retarded.At least Cicero was a good writer and cunningly jewish lawyer.
>>220624660People betrayed by Brutus: 0People betrayed by Octavian: everyone he ever worked with and half his direct descendants.
>>220624694the world betrayed Octavian
>>220624694>Agrippa: dies of natural causes>Maecenas: dies of natural causes>Lepidus: allowed to die of natural causes despite his actions in SicilyWhy lie?
>>220624949I suppose we're pretending to be half learned children who don't know that Octavian sent Maceneas into internal exile after one of his purges and seized the provinces he'd previously agreed to assign to Lepidus as part of the second triumvirate.Fides Octavii.
>>220623071She says octavia looks like a boy lol
>>220624694>People betrayed by Brutus: 0
>>220621948That sounds familiar.
I dunno, he kinda looks like an untrustworthy and annoying bitch.
>>220625810She sounds fat.
>>220627234Ur at least skinny fat althoughbeit
>>220621948I mean he took his dad's car and then wrecked it.
>>220621948would he have done it if he knew JC was his dad?
>>220627650Yes. Cause he did it due to morals (and his family history).
>>220626230Caesar was making a move. Brutus had to get it on.
>>220622653im going to find you and murder you
>>220622030It's funny how all the republicans on the show are thoroughly unlikable>Brutus is a nepobaby coward who had personal beef with Caesar over the Macedonia thing>Servilia had personal beef with Caesar because he didn't want to fuck her anymore>Cicero is a pompous windbag who's constantly shifting his allegiances>Cato is quite literally "old man yells at cloud"Caesar, Antony and even Octavian were more sympathetic
>>220628780>republicansPseud and retard
>>220621948>other than losing the war.sounds like a big thing to do wrong.
>>220628827We don't sign our posts here
>>220628827contemporary brainrot.
>>220625810I'm not sure if this is your first gf but after a while you will pick up on a pattern that women say nasty shit about girls they perceive to be hotter than them/a threat/rival.
>>220621948That's right Chadmure did nothing wrong and it was Robbs fault he didn't know the plan to draw Mountain to the west
>>220622356Brutus literally thought all the plebs in Rome would applaud him for being noble and saving them from a dictator. He didnt understand the mob, he never had a chance
>>220622126Retard
>>220622748>lesbian age gapI have no memory of this?
>>220629014Octavia has sex with Servilia (Brutus' mom)
>>220622356The conspirators are in the running for the single most retarded group of people in world history. How they thought making Caesar a martyr would do anything but permanently tarnish the brand of republicanism is a mystery. Especially when they left Antony and Caesar's family alive.
>>220628927I am once again going to bring up my contemporary comparison of Trump to Crassus. He's likely just going to die of a regular non-anomalous stroke on October 26 2033 at 12:04 PM Eastern Standard Time instead of having molten gold poured down his throat, though.
>>220623770Yeah, I agree. Really tragic character. But if he just remembered the old adage, he would’ve been fine Bros before hoes. Even if your mom is the hoe
>>220621948No, Caesar did nothing wrong. The only nice thing that can be said about that little fag Brutus is that he at least set in motion the events that would lead to Octavian taking power, but he obviously would have fought tooth and nail to prevent such a thing from happening.
Republic > Empire, Caesar ruined it
>>220629089Trump is actually Caesar.
>>220629270>Caesar did nothing wronghe went against the SPQR
>>220629278Trump was never a great military general
>>220623770he could just not listen to his roastie mother? he is 100% at fault here
>>220629278Trump had the chance to become Caesar after the 2020 election was stolen, but instead of crossing the Rubicon he ultimately just let it happen. Caesar would've occupied DC with an army.
>>220629278trump is a catcher, not a pitcher like caesar
>>220629278Trump isn't Caesar because Caesar started his career as an outsider and a relative nobody, not a media celebrity and tycoon, while Crassus was the richest man in Rome, and built most of his wealth through shrewd and opportunistic real estate investments. Crassus also wasn't a revolutionary, like Caesar was (as >>220629402 pointed out, if he was, he'd have done what every left-wing political commentator said he did)>>220629355To be fair, the declining role of war as a policy tool and the decline in the glamour of war (arguably much more important) have generally led to the political ruling class and the military class becoming very divorced. Can you name a contemporary leader famous for being a "great military general?" I'd argue not since Eisenhower. There have been US presidents with a service history, but no contemporary one who accomplished a great military victory.
>>220629402caesar worked decades with his legion in the mud to conquer gaul. those men were loyal to himtrump is new york rich fag who partied with jews and raped kids.
>>220629457>Can you name a contemporary leader famous for being a "great military general?no, but thats why I wouldnt compare Caesar to any current western leader, especially Trump
>>220629432Julius caught a few on the Ides of March.
>>220629274Kingdom > Republic and EmpireThe holy tribal kings of Rome were based and then the equestrian families had to fag everything up which led to the Republic.
>>220629457>Caesar started his career as an outsider and a relative nobody,Marius was his uncle-in-aw, he married Cinna's daughter and he was on Sulla's hit-list. All that before he turned 20. "Relative nobody", please
>>220629503you sound like some hipster that only likes a band when they are unknown and unpopular
>>220621948he was a cunt who killed the people's man caesar.
>>220629536There is nothing hipster about the Kingdom Era of Rome. Its pure facts. Before them they were getting bullied by Etruscan libertines and gay Greek colonizers. Thats why they invented the whole Trojan mythos to separate themselves from those faggots.
>>220629497
>>220628780Actually they were much worse irl and the show tries to whitewash them quite a bit. They were nowhere near as principled or good intentioned as the show tries to make them to be. And the conflict is framed as Caesar orchestrating it to assume dictatorial power when irl he was basically pushed to the brink before deciding to retaliate>>220629278Trump is like Commodus but not even that since Commodus at least fought here and there albeit mainly for show. I
>>220629670this is now a Sopranos thread
>>220629796>you're weak, you're outta control, and you've become an embarrassment to the trimvirate and everyone else
>>220629796Go back to plebbit, you ginger knob
might makes right
>>220629867He was gay, Marc Antony?
Really didn't like the whole collegium storyline on this show. I could buy Pullo turning to a life of crime but it just didn't feel believable for Vorenus
>>220629944
>>220621948His ancestor Lucius Junius Brutus overthrew the kings. He had lot to live up to.
How do you respond?
>>220629402He redeemed himself by winning in 2024. Remember the future is gayer than the past so we can't have that level of kino. >>220629457Trump was a political outsider which is the point
>>220630002Caesar came from an established patrician clan.
>>220630002>redeemed Trump's 2024 term has so far been a total 180 of everything in his 2016 term (which has been probably the best US presidency since the 1990's), and I feel like he's genuinely fucking senile. I get if what's her face won things would probably going much of the same way (and worse) but doing better than a puppet el goblina is not a high bar to clear. Also, oh shit, I'm starting a flame war!
>>220628693Based and Sulla pilled
>>220622050Octavian never truly backstabbed anyone who didn't already fuck with him to start, minus maybe Cicero but his murder was basically out of Octavian's control.>AntoniusTried to steal his inheritance and go against his uncle's desires. Never truly paid Octavian back after Octavian helped him gain back Rome after Mutina.>Sextus PompeiusMade illegal attacks against Roman territories. Got what was coming.>LepidusWent against already agreed upon boundaries and tried to illegally annex Sicily, Corsica and Sardinia for himself. Got abandoned by his own men. KWAB.>Julia Augusti (his daughter with Scribonia)Tried doing stupid whore things. Got called out. Got exiled. Still had her lineage descend all the way to the end of the Julio-Claudian dynasty.Even if you say Octavian backstabbed Cicero its still nowhere as bad as Marcus Brutus, who essentially backstabbed (allegedly) his own father by blood.
>>220629988>well, can I have sex with you next?
>>220629071Surely it's because various populares figures had been murdered in the preceding 100 years or so and *nothing happened* so Big C was just another body they could add to the pile and things would return to business as normal as it had repeatedly before
>>220621948
>>220623770He could have easily told his mother off and just allowed Caesar and his legions to fuck off and likely die in the Parthia campaign. Even if Caesar succeeded he would have been well over 70 years old. Even if Caesar tried to install Anthony or a young Octavian in Rome they would have been extremely easy to take out, the former especially.
>>220630051That wasn't really relevant in the late republic. The Julii and especially Caesar were greatly prosecuted after Sulla took power for their relationship with Marius which is the main reason why Caesar's political and military career started much later than Alexander's. For the majority of his life he had to crawl from the dirt.
>>220629278Trump is Honorius
>>220629988>Urkel voice: "Did I do that!?"
>>220629988And I'd do it again!
>>220629278they certainly are trying to make him one
>>220629988>two words: role playing chatroom
>>220622126Because the Carthiginians were pillaging Italy at the time, so avoiding battle was an unpopular strategy but it worked in the end. George Washington went through the exact same thing. It's part of fighting a superior force. >you were not even allowed to play for time or be defensive in your warfareVery false. Brutus did become a little bitch in Roman eyes when he failed to take his own life the first time he was beaten, like Cato and Scipio did. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLJ4hIUGO5IThis was the best scene in Rome imo
>>220629278Crassus*
Was there ever any follow up to the Gauls after they burned Vercingetorix's corpse? I feel like they were going to expand upon that scene.
>Only tyrants need worry about tyrant-killers. And you are no tyrant! Haven't you told me SO MANY TIMES.
>>220630503t. Trash-Burning Gaul
>>220624694>>220624898>Augustus after Varian disaster at Teutoburger Wald
>>220621948>bite the hand that feeds you>have no long term plan beyond the one murder>flee the very city you claimed to love and want to protect at the first slightest hint of political backlash>die as a fugitive in another country because your comrades are too busy sucking themselves off to stage any kind of concerted opposition to the triumvirsBrutus was the biggest bitch in recorded history
>>220629278Drumpf is a G*rmanoid barbarian nigger
I BRING GOOD NEWS
>>220630354They underestimated how much people loved Caesar and how much people already hated them. They were already fucking over the common man and the soldiers in every conceivable way and believed the people and army held the Senate and its authority as highly as the senators themselves did.
>>220630313>minus maybe Cicero but his murder was basically out of Octavian's controlCiceros actions during the Cataline conspiracy put him on the To Deal With At A Later Date shitlist of a ton of people. Once the opportunity presented itself he was going one way or the other.
>>220630067He came into office with an obvious set of things to do and I've enjoyed it
>>220630633He's more a Hibernian Celtoid
Did the Senate ever throw the public a bone and give them any money? Caesar was throwing around denarii like there was no tomorrow.
>>220630639FUCK OFF BACK TO GAUL
>>220630639Need to start Poscamaxxing
>>220621948Brutus was a Plebeian.Crassus was a Plebeian.Cato was a PlebeianPompey was a Plebeian.Antony was a PlebeianOctavian was Plebeian Sulla and Caesar was the only prominent Patrician romans in the late Republic.
>>220630754shut up
>>220630643Killing senate members always used to do the trick before.
>>220630313I think Cicero's death was necessary even if it wasn't quite deserved. his reputation made his conservative opinions dangerous to the new regime, and there was zero chance of reconciling him with the Augustan principate. he would be an outspoken critic of the emperor until his last breath, regardless of how effectively Augustus ruled the empire.
>>220630702All those powerful men spent money to get power. Caesar was in deep debt up to his neck for a long time. Obviously, got disgusting rich in Gaul.
NYAAARGH
>>220630886Crassus was funding him.
>>220630844Antonius gave up his uncle and Octavian had to give up Cicero.
>>220630754>plebs gain power>republic crumblesinteresting
>>220630911>Crassus was funding him.>Crassus was paying off his debts>he owed money to Crassus phrase it whatever you want, his balance sheet was still deep in the red.
>>220630907>when Octavian ragebaits himWhat a goofball
>>220630986>You are Rome's Helen of Troy>A woman's role always suited you best.
Let's talk about the clitoris
>>220631003ANDAND WE WILL DEFINITELY BE SPENDING ALOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT MASTURBATION
>>220630936thats true but plebs wouldnt be plebs if they could understand it
>>220631003How do you know this of my wife?
>>220630936Patrician/Plebeian rank was meaningless by then;Crassus, the richest man in Rome, was a Plebeian.Sulla was Patrician, but was born into poverty.Brutus' family was plebeian, but his ancestor overthrew the king so they were widely celebrated.
>>220629956Vorenus was disgraced by the laws of Roman religion for allowing Caesar to be murdered. He adopted the blessings of Dis. I’m not saying it makes total sense but generally speaking if you are good at killing people and still take orders well organized crime is generally the next logical step once you lose all standard of dignity and your family and friends are brutally murdered. There’s also several big time jumps in season 2 that is often overlooked.
>>220630933Antony's uncle was ultimately spared iirc and Octavian's "sacrifice" was his own stepfather who he believed had embezzled a good chunk of the Caesar inheritancefor Cicero, Octavian had no great love, believing the orator wanted to use and then discard him in the war against Antony
>>220631146gaaaaaaaaaaay
>>220629956>>220631106Vorenus would also basically have been a laughing stock among mainstream society because not only did everyone find out that he had been cucked but that (everyone thought) his daughters had also been raped.It completely shattered the dignitas he had, so he would have been considered almost as lowly as a slave as a free man could get because he had lost his masculine respect and his family had been violated.It's kind of alluded to in the scene when he returns with his kids and tells the collegium that his daughters were prostitutes and the "son" is not his - if the collegium didn't know that Vorenus was a hard-ass who would've slit their throats at the slightest mockery, they would have all laughed in his face for being such a black hole of dignitas.
>>220630639Anyone have a gif/webm of his goofy nod when he starts to get a round of applause
>>220631106>>220631263my boy really was the raped
>>220630503They had a lot planned for season 3 and 4 that explained the events in Gaul through the eyes of Antony’s campaign against Octavian but they were scrapped after the show was cancelled. Iirc season 2 was supposed to be just the triumvirate and the build up of Posca and Timon & his brother, season 3 was supposed to be the introduction of cleopatra/egypt, and season 4 was going to be the civil war, and season 5 was going to involve the holy land and rise of Jesus. Maybe an anon can find the interview I’m misremembering.
>>220631428sad they ran out of money, but the show is still pretty great all things considered
>>220631428>season 5 was going to involve the holy land and rise of JesusDamn, so they'd skip most of Augustus' rule? Guess you already get the broad strokes if you've watched I, Claudius.
>>220631510I think basically the showrunner was going to have Vorenus and Pullo be a forest gump of sorts through early Roman imperial history but the timeline just doesn’t make sense.
>>220631561no modern show plans anything beyond current and next season at most.
>>220621948>AAAAAH! MY FULLY CURRUPT REPUBLIC RUN BY BANKERS AND FLOODED WITH SLAVES MIGHT BE FIXED BY ONE MAN WITH LOYAL SOLDIERS! I'M LOSING MY MIND!I'm glad he's in hell.
>>220621948He betrayed and murdered his friend due to peer pressure
>>220629988She was making a move. I had to get it on.
>>220631870>and he was a good friend
>>220631798>republic is fully corrupt and flooded with slave!>well, better leave for Gaul to wage an illegal war there and bring in a gazillion more slaves! youre welcome, Republic.
>>220631918he had to get it on man, gaul was making a move
>>220631942yeah, Caesar invaded Britain in self-defense
>>220631918Caesar was using war as a business to end using war as a business
>>220629988WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT FROM ME, MOM
>>220632016and here i thought he just wanted more money and more power and legal immunity
>>220629988>Jealous?
somehow the smartest thread on /tv/ in ages
>>220621948many such cases
>>220628927Yeah men never do that to each other (lel)
>>220632645A lame ass redditor always has to kill the vibe of a thread he didnt participate in.Smh my head desu senpai.
>>220632735
>>220632790Take it back to your reddit and discord faggot. This thread was decent before graced it with your presence.
>>220632833fuck you
>>220631561>start of the Roman Civil War - 49 BC>Ides of March - 44 BC (end of Season 1)>Battle of Actium (roughly the actual end point of the series) - 31 BC>Octavian being declared First Citizen and final collapse of the Republic - 27 BC>death and resurrection of Christ- 33 ADEven being generous and assuming that both men were only in their late-20s, Pullo and Vorenus would both have been well over 100 by the time the events of the Gospels take place. Even Octavian, the youngest major character, had been dead for over 20 years by that point.>inb4 they’re the two old men whose blindness Christ heals
>>220632933yeah trying to set things In Judea decades after the rest of the story already took place sounds like it wouldnt have worked
>>220631627Well anon Rome came out 23 years ago when showrunners realized having a coherent plan is what makes a show work
>>220628927>that piclel
>>220621948>Brutus please, I'll suck your dick
>>220633808goddammit
>>220633808lel, first good thing to come from The Goys’ existenceWell that and Boglight
>>220628927>BIBI THEY'RE NOT RUNNING OUT OF MISSILES!>BIBII!
>>220632933Who says they had to be around for the last season or two?
>>220632933>they’re the two old men whose blindness Christ healsThat'd be kino.
What eras or emperors deserve their own show?>Aurelian/Crisis of the Third Century>Julian the Apostate>Ricimer/Majorian>Justinian>Heraclius>Justinian II>Basil the Bulgar Slayer>Constantine XI
>>220634219Stilchohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVsKRi2o2_U
>>220634219>>220634564Goddammit, wrong onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H38CsVmuVYw
>>220621948>willingly joined Caesar's government after accepting his mercy >betrayed his friend and patron>invalidated the tyrannicide by refusing to label him a tyrant to keep his position. The "liberators" literally legally approved Caesar and legitimized the empire to avoid standing for re-election. (Nobles until recently liked to show how their family tree reaches to caesar. Medieval nobility was derived from the roman one. If you defend him from the muh democracy angle, you are literally looking at the guy who signed the act that legitemized a thousand+ years of autocracy)Brutus sided with Pompey when it looked like the winning side, then joined Caesar when it was profitable, then betrayed him when it seemed profitable and then legitimized his dictatorship discrediting the whole "save the republic" act which supposedly justifies his betrayalIt is hard to pass judgement on a long dead character based on snippets of history and the show went out of it's way to justify and explain his actions (just like they had to invent the treasury subplot because the truth - they just left the gold to make some edgy point about how caesar is a dictator if he uses it without respecting their veto, would be too retarded for the audience to accept without explanation)But his role in the civil war involves constant side switching and betrayal. The last one being a betrayal of the very republican ideals that were supposed to justify the first.
>>220634621>Et tu Brutus?
>>220634219>wanting a Rome show in faggot modern times who will shove pavement apes everywhere and go with a MIGRANTS GUD narrative, as they destroy RomeI'm good
>>220633897it's from the Sopranos
>>220630381>>220629390She was a good mother until the Caesar separation triggered her obsession for revenge to overshadow her judgment. She was noble, respectable, and raised Brutus on her own after his father died. Brutus was obviously respectable and amicable himself. Why wouldn't value her judgment.Either way, I guess the (unintended) less is don't listen to women.
>>220624101He forgot to ask the republic whether it wanted to be 'saved'.
when Brutus and Cassius were raising legions in the east, were they made up of Romans living in the eastern provinces or just foreigners drilled as legionaries?
>>220636198I would guess roman citizens with republic leanings that fled the capital, what roman expats were around and the normal auxiliary units for any foreigners.Pretty sure auxiliary at the time fought under their own methods.
>>220622030> backstabbing > bossed around by his whore of a mamaEvery time.
