>>220624593
Its impossible to pity someone offers to suck dick amd eat turds to live. Eric needs to die

>>220624593
Its emotional whiplash from a character who on paper is an abused child in the body of a superhuman played by a good actor who understands that. But the writers hate him and want you to enjoy him being humiliated. So tonally it feels wrong.

>>220624593
SO I have not watched it because...jews. I bet the series is really bad.
Though I want to know if they killed all the supes?
Did butcher die?

>>220624593
he's getting bullied and killed when he did nothing wrong

>>220624685
Yeah fuck Kripke, Genuinely fuck him

>>220624712
>Did butcher die?
ye

>>220624712
No the supes didn't die and Butcher died kek

You could watch s1 2 3 then skip directly into the final episode of s5

>>220624732
How

>>220624593
imagine being that actor and having to utter those couple of lines like he did in the final ep

I would've quit on the spot but these people are all whores

Butcher killing him so fast was uncharacteristic of him. The butcher they portrayed in season 1 would've taken his time and had a lot more fun torturing homelander.

>>220624777
The Deep has it far worse

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>>220624593
This is the most jeet coded post I've read today. DO NOT REDEEM SAAR *head bobbles*

>>220624777
its not that humiliating, people will remember that line as the writers being scumbags and his performane as being the best part of the show

>>220624813
Yeah it felt very odd and anticlimactic, Very out of context indeed

>>220624777
He was offering his ass to a dog in the last episode. I am sure the millions he gets is enough to forget about it

>>220624593
Fucked up how they show his tragic backstory of the abuse he bearer by the only people he looked to for affection, seeing him genuinely try to be a good hero in the animated series, and constantly belittled for his emotional weaknesses, then we’re supposed to cheer that the broken man is killed just because the writers hate trump. It sends a bad message. Homelander was a villain but he was made to be one after d anyone around him failed him. A child rejected by the village will burn it down for warmth.

>>220624593
He was literally a giant baby that never experienced pain or fear before, just neglect and solitude.
The first time he felt powerless and got an injury (and his first ones were huge ones) his whole world crushed against him and he regressed into a baby at its very first experience.
If the writers weren’t hacks with the whole DRUMPF stuff that could’ve been a great conclusion for his character on paper

>>220624767
he fell from a building and impaled himself on some bars while fighting Hughie and bled himself out

>>220624767
Shot by U E as he tries to release the TSD virus but remembera Lenny.

>>220624924
They burned him alive in a furnace to test his pain tolerance as a child. He knew pain

>>220624752
I watched all the seasons but as you probably know it became a jewish sapbox and I really dont want to watch this last season.
Just wanted to know if they tied it up like the comic but it looks like they just fucked it up, but butcher does die.

>>220624894
Literally this, What's the fucking message ? Even Homelander is more humane than Trump, Like genuinely, I don't understand

>>220624894
>A child rejected by the village will burn it down for warmth.
Don't say this corny shit ever again.

>>220624987
just watch last episode, Shit season it was, it's very empty and depressing

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>>220624593
It's normie sadism to take pleasure on the torture, suffering and death of a traumatized man who experienced severe childhood abuse and alienation.
If you're not a misshapen golem corrupted by the backwards moral laws of our times your attitude towards Homelander should be similar to the Legend's.

>>220625002
the message is that he'll suck your dick and he'll eat your shit and he'll get fucked by a dog

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>>220624593
I just think we're so priveleged to live in a time when the media is not afraid to speak truth to power.

>>220625061
ElPenor

>>220624685
More or less this, they hate the character and want you to hate him too, so they had to make that clear in the writing in the clumsiest way possible. Self serving fanfic shit with a bigger budget and better actors than it deserved. Somewhat similar to John Walker in that Falcon/Winter Soldier show, though Walker is a much better person.

>>220625026
Just because he suffered as a kid doesn't make him less of a cunt.

>>220624593
He was the life of the show and you know the moment he dies there’s nothing but ass left

>>220624712
>>220624752
What was even the point of Butcher? Was he the most worthless character ever?

>>220625133
Watch them do the homelander clone thing and bring him back when the spinoffs tank

>>220624593
>the best thing from the comics was the revelation of Black Noir, because it opened up the possibility of Homelander being a decent guy in another timelline
>the series focus on the characterization of Homelander, and how constant abuse made him the horrible man he is now. However, he also has show some capability for genuine love, first to Stormfront, then to his son and finally to SB.
>no development, no redemption because muh Trump is le bad
>>220624984
pain but not fear of death

>>220624813
Oh Butcher kills Homelander? What a dumb idea the writers came up with. They should have had Homelander beat to death by a mob of angry people or something cool

>>220624852
The Deep getting to kill Homelander would have been cool. They really went with shitty butcher? That dude and his team were embarrassing

>>220624767
It's what Clara would've wanted

>>220625016
I will keep saying it

>>220624894
I waited after seeing s1 to see how it would turn out and decided not to pick it up again, but I did see some of HL's childhood arc and his revenge. I felt bad for him. His choices are still his but he was made, not born. I got the feeling I was supposed to hate him for killing his childhood abusers. It was strange. All I get from this is that the writers are more fucked up than HL is, but without the background to make me pity them.
>>220625016
It's a common phrase and makes the point.

>>220624685
>>220625108
>>220625026
Are you fags being contrarian for giggles? He was a huge asshole who killed countless people for the pettiest reasons. Having a bad childhood doesn't excuse him.

>>220625305
No one said it excused him. Reading comprehension.

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>>220625132
I'm surprised how many people bring up the point that he suffered to feel sorry for him becoming a mass murderer

I know a lot of people that claim shitty tortured childhoods. Can they all just chimp out now and start killing people?

>>220624593
It's supposed to be retribution and you're supposed to cheer it because you hate Homelander but it's not really possible to hate Homelander as much as they want you to because we've seen how he's had an awful, torturous, lonely existence.
Could've worked if they spent multiple episodes with him as an evil tyrant killing everyone who disagreed but it just went from gets V1 > hasty episode to set up how he dies > he dies.

>>220625298
The writers are the ones who make the vile shit that happens in this show. It tells on them.

>>220624685
It would have made more sense for him to say fuck it and tell him to kill him, or throw punches, just anything and go out with a "fuck you, I was too good for you anyway" attitude. I have to wonder if the writers use characters as punching bags for personal vendettas, like some guy who fucked all their crushes in high school.

>>220625305
umm his socieoeconomic position was bad at one point in his life and he can do what he wants now to anyone at anytime due to systematic oppression
that how this works doesnt it
oh wait homelander is white and a chud

>>220625334
They're brown children desperate to be upset over everything, even when it doesn't make any logical sense.
The important thing to remember is your ABCs
Always
Be
Crying

>>220624593
So why did he have visions again

>>220625334
>>220625398
>>220625415
Resentful golems with ugly souls and poor reading comprehension.

>>220625434
>can't answer the question
Just admit you're a culture warrior already.

>>220625334
>feel sorry for him becoming a mass murderer

No one said this. People just noticed he's a convenient pinata for people as fucked up as he's supposed to be. What's weirder than being a sadistic psycho is being a sadistic psycho who has a compulsive need to morally justify themselves. Just be a weird sadistic psycho and cut the moral pablum.

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>>220625434
HOMELANDER IS THE DEFINITION OF AN UGLY SOUL YOU FUCKING JEW

I'm tired of sociopathic jewish slop, man

>>220625469
Point me to one post in here that says Homelander was justified in his actions. You can't engage with the ideas we're discussing. You're a child who believes in nothing.

>>220625434
so the jews start doing sacrifices in a temple again but to do those sacrifices they already had control the world with fake and gay ai world brain control and the messiah is gonna come and promise them what they already achieved, supremacy of the goy, to fulfill the requirements of his coming?
what's the plan here moishe? how much more baby dick, blood and sacrifice do you need?

>>220625484
There is a simple, quick, easy solution to your problems.
Stop consuming media that upsets you.

>>220625423
He crazy

This thread is like that comic where people are doing the tug of war with allies and adversaries they don't expect to have

Confusion is good. Everyone should be in a state of perpetual confusion.

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At what age do we expect people to be grown ups that got over their childhood trauma?

>>220624894
>mindless calvinist american drivel
You can only understand this and agree with this if you grew up in a household where bong pipes and crack spoons received more affection and care than children.
So sorry for you anon. You are not excused though.

>>220625484
I love it. The jews just told the goyim that being a homo is the most pathetic and embarrassing thing imaginable.
They didnt try to make Homelander a pedo because that would backfire on them massively.

>>220625508
>so the jews start doing sacrifices
Please stop engaging with the world like this before you throw your life away pointlessly.

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>>220624593
It's not really satisfying to see the only well acted character in the show die

>>220625584
im just a goy
my life is already pointless

>>220625149
he killed omelanda

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>>220624924
>He was literally a giant baby that never experienced pain or fear before, just neglect and solitude.
did you watched this shitty show retard? he was tortured as a fucking child, they had a hydrogen bomb near him 24/7 to go off in case of something, they burned him alive to see if he can take it and also a lot of psychological torture (like humiliation)
He was a monster because he was made that way by psychopaths who love muh science and a garbage corporation, like that saying after all, some monsters are made and some some are born

>>220625305
>who killed countless people for the pettiest reasons
but enough about satanyahoo

>>220625211
Predictable bullshit, There were too many gems to be executed in such a proclaimed "edgy and unpredictable" show, Yet they shot themselves in the foot trying to not take their show seriously only to make it corny

>>220625641
WHY DO YOU LOVE HOMELANDER AND JUSTIFY EVERYTHING HE DOES? WHY DON'T YOU UNCRITICALLY ACCEPT THE WRITER'S NARRATIVES LIKE ME? I AM VERY SMART.

>>220625305
Of course the faggot needs to die, But that brutal death should be equivalent to heinous actions in order to result in a satisfaction.

>>220625628
>my life is already pointless
You might come to believe this after daily doses of unhealthy meme slop meant to rape you and force your hand to shoot up a supermarket but it's not.

>>220625702
why would i want to shoot up a supermarket
are you a fed

>>220624593
because hes a chud and got unalived like yall chuds will be, begging and crying for the mercy none of yall give to trans folx

>>220625724
No, just saying it's a real, possible, logical end to that kind of mentality.

>>220625641
His Character is genuinely Tragic, even the death is tragic

>>220624894
Same with that dude from stranger things, he was a victim just like the gay kid, but then they have Winona chop off his head with an axe and everyone's cheering.

>>220625305
>Having a bad childhood doesn't excuse him
having the worst imaginable childhood in unforeseen circumstances kinda does

The ending was ultimately too predictable, I'd much rather have some shitty plot twist that makes Homelander actually win and the show ends with his vision of America under his boot

>>220624593
>why I pitied him?
kek boys’ fans are all ESL

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Did anyone else think this scene was very similar to the ending of Mandy? Blonde narcissist with god complex rapes/kills grizzled bearded protagonist's wife, gets down on his knees and offers to suck the protagonist's dick, before suddenly regaining his pride and insisting he's divine.

Sorry, ignore my autism

>>220625860
doesn't help if you're a faggot

>>220625702
[Fedpost Redacted]

They should have had Homelander suck Butcher's dick as he says "farkin diabolical" and winks at the camera.

>>220624685
>>220624894
>>220625026
>>220625108
>>220625641
There's an interesting "ignore the childhood abuse, only focus on its results" angle in the show and among some of the viewers. The abusers were depicted almost sympathetically. A bit odd, innit?

>>220625806
yeah, they tried to make people to see his side of the story in the first season and a few scene from later seasons, but then they went retarded in season 4 and 5 in term of writing and story, same shit with Soldier boy

>>220625026
Albert Fish was horribly raped and abused as a child. Does that excuse him going on to rape and murder kids? Fuck no. Fuck Albert Fish, fuck Homelander, and fuck you, faggot

>>220625929
Almost jumped back into this shit for Soldier Boy alone. Glad I waited.

>>220624852
Deep deserved redemption, he was constantly tortured in all seasons.

How doable would it be to edit the series to remove all the bullshit and the filler and have an enjoyable story from beginning to end

>>220625944
>Does that excuse him going on to rape and murder kids?
Did anyone say it did?

You can stop talking to yourself at any time.

DO NOT REDEEM BOYS SEASON SIX SAAR

>>220625334
So victimhood does not grant someone the impunity to act as they feel? And just because something bad happened to someone it doesn’t mean they have a go to start fucking shit up? Is that the stance you are taking here?

>>220625757
bruh im so empty inside i cant even commit evil

>>220625974
Possible, but a massive time sink.

>>220625891
Not really. Barbara and Vogelbaum are depicted as being pure, clinical, detached evil, and the true cause for everything. And Edgar getting away with everything scot free in the end and starting it all over again only further enforces the theme that the problem of Homelander is much bigger than the individual. This is basic elementary media literary btw

>>220625974
Picking through shit and collecting a cob's worth of corn is doable, but why would you?

>>220625981
So what are you saying then?

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>>220625746
What's so amazing is that we live in an age when the entertainment industry isn't afraid to speak truth to power.

>>220626062
boredom, and imagine if it was actually great and it became widespread to the point it dabs on Kripke

>>220624777
iirc he had to tardwrangle Kripke to not make Homelander a parody of Trump, I imagine all he thought about in the end was his paycheck

>>220626062
>but why would you?
Cuz I'm hungy

The problem is that they didn't have Homelander do much horrible shit this season. If they had him actually destroy all new york or something like that, then his death would've felt satisfying. instead all he did was ban vegan milk, kill A-Train and that "french" guy. It's the same thing that happened in Joker 2.

>>220625974
Probably not easy, you’d have to start from the end and work back and finding scenes that are necessary for the plot but aren’t predicated and informed by a previous scene would be a challenge. You’d either have to edit it down to a 30 minute short film or a 12 hour epic which makes it pointless for the goal anyways, and it still wouldn’t be good

>>220625565
We don't even ask entire demographics of people to get over things that never happened to them personally.

>>220625956
Well writers wanted to torment the tee-hee "sigma" archetype

>>220625572
Excuse me?

>>220626122
Having Homelander announce his ascension to a crowds of hundreds of people, and then lasering everyone when they start booing him would've gone a long way

>>220626122
Literally this, His death felt very worthless and valueless and super rushed, so much fucking build up just for the most asinine death

>>220626147
>we
Who in this thread?

>>220625987
You sound racist chud

>>220626087
I'm not gonna manually install my point in your brain. What am I, a writer for The Boys?

>>220625565
There’s an entire industry making sure jews and blacks always remember what whyte peepoo did to them, and reminding them that they are victims. I can’t fault anyone for succumbing to propaganda

>>220626191
Society at large.

>>220625974
You could probably get about 4-5 hours worth of salvageable, cohesive material leading up to the finale. But why would you? It's still going to end like a wet fart. No amount of editing can fix that.

>>220625380
the idea was that homelander was also a coward, because there was only a few people who could hurt him. Once his powers were gone, he have finally learned what real fear is.

>>220625974
>remove all the bullshit and the filler

you'd lose 80% of the series

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imagine if Imhotep in The Mummy was like "oh no please O'Connell, spare me my life, I'll devour feces and pleasure your phallus with my mouth"
what a bunch of jewish filth

>>220625974
A beautiful sculpture made of shit is still shit. There are better things to do.

POST THE FUCKING SUCK DICK PHRASE WEBM!!!!!!!

>>220626265
But was Jonathan who read the book, not O'Connell... Technically Jon defeat Imhotep.

>>220626265
Homelander is a sophomoric manchild bully. Ennis himself likened him to a 14 year old who uses slurs to sound cool. I think the vulgar humiliation is fitting for the character, and not comparable to a fucking Egyptian pharaoh

>>220626323
I like how it reminds everyone doing gay shit is literally the most pathetic thing a man can do

>>220626323
No one cares what Ennis thinks, if the show adapted the comic 1:1 it would be the worst most unwatchable slop imaginable.

>>220625974
kimiko and frenchie's scenes are 50% of it

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>>220626237
>according to many

>>220625757
>mentally ill violent troons shoot up christian schools and mosques, attempt to assassinate Trump multiple times
real
>chuds shoot up... supermarket? definitely not a synygogue or some libtard politician bringing infinite browns into country, it's some fucking random ass supermarket
nice try FBI

>>220626250
That falls apart when you realize Homelander is big white violent Chud.
Yeah he cant fly or throw laser beams out of his eyes but he can still beat up larping niggers by swinging his fists.

>>220626378
Tell it to >>220625565

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>>220626378
You posted a list of stories from publications that you asserting is an example of a widely held belief

Doing this pseudo leftist thing where you pretend to not understand is not going to work here since you over extended into reality and not what this thread is specifically talking about cuck

>>220624767
>"Oi Ryan wanna live me now"
>Ryan: "no lol"
>"That's fine I still have my cute pet dog"
>Dog ded
>"I'm going to release the super virus"
>"OOuIEE YOU SHOT ME CUNT!!!!!"

>>220626322
yeah but Rick wielded the sword

>>220625016
Please go back to instagram or Twitter

>>220626323
>Homelander is a sophomoric manchild bully. Ennis himself likened him to a 14 year old who uses slurs to sound cool.

your average /tvpol/ virgin thinks this is based and epic, though, so Homelander's humiliation is seen as a personal attack

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>>220625026
It all comes down to the writer and their own personal tolerance for the monsters they write.

For example, Francis Dolarhyde from Manhunter was a mass murderer whose tortured childhood and deformities branded him an outcast and warped his mental state. He was a clear menace but you could see his pain reflected in how he kills.

Homelander more than likely never deserved the abuse he received. A lab rat from the second he was born. And there was a shred of humanity that was left when he spared the Legend. But he was never meant to be understood, empathized with, or even liked. Homelander is irredeemable because he's Trump and Kripke hates Trump as any sheltered liberal Hollywood ghoul hates Trump. It wouldn't end until he is completely and utterly humiliated.

>>220626491
I donr base my identiy around jewish revenge fantasies. Shout out to the jews for finally admitting gay sex is loser shit.

Homelander was a victim, just like the powerful black folx who are suffering from racism daily and that's why we should understand and sympathize whenever they riot and burn half the country.

>>220626416
>You posted
I didn't post anything. There is more than one person in this thread.
But seeing as how you're already played the "we live in a society" card I question if there will be any potential for further enrichment in this thread.

>>220624593
People being tortured and hurt one-sidely should make a normal human with empathy feel bad even if they’re a baby rapist or some shit.

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>>220625944
Why is Albert Fish such a big deal when hospitals and the state systematically castrate and molest children under the guise of medicine for political reasons? Albert Fish should be in jail yes but so should every public school teacher who teaches children about trans gay weird sex politics and celebrate sodomy for an entire month in SCHOOL (last month of the school year).

>>220625334
>Write a backstory
>It's irrelevant
>We're supposed to forget after 5 seasons of self indulgent crap as absurdist filler is supposed to override our Ritalin addled brains
Yeah naw fuck that, and fuck you

Homelander's depowering was pretty funny, it's good that Butcher ended up dealing the final blow. It was a fair fight, without powers and the depowering aspect was hinted at throughout the show. The finale is extremely disapointing because they didn't really do anything about Homelander's chimpout potential, they could have spent 10 minutes at least showing him do something really atrocious, like lasering a crowd the way he imagined so many seasons ago, destroying a city, hell even something small like he could have been the one to kill Terror and that would make him appear at least slightly evil. Now it really felt anticlimactic for so many people because Kripke thought the Trump parody was enough to make anybody hate the guy's guts, it just didn't work. To me and many others, Homelander was just a mentally ill manchild, all he ever did with his power was kill a few random people and open amusement parks. He didn't really feel evil or dangerous, sure he imagined commiting atrocities and threatened to but at the end of the day, he did not do anything in 5 entire seasons of this poorly written show. He didn't feel like a real villain. He had incomprehensible power and he could have theoretically burn the world if he wanted to, he chose not to so he can have a monologue with extremely weak characters that he had the opportunity to kill 10 times over.

>>220626566
So you replied to a chain without being able to comprehend why i would bring society into the discussion in response to the person posting about it

You are either a lier or just retarded

>>220626543
I didn't hate the ending but the the "writers barely disguised hatred of conservatives and Trump" was so fucking annoying. Homelander as a character deserved better.

>>220626612
Now that I think about it, compared to what he could have done, he was actually very restrained and reasonable.

>>220626570
I don't like seeing people get hurt no matter how evil they are, but Homelander's pathetic begging is undeniably satisfying. Not out of sadism, but just out of thematic symmetry. Like Scar getting killed by the hyenas he sold out. It's karma

>>220626634
>more performative outrage over the srs bsns of a capeshit streaming show you don't even like
Culturewarrior-kun, I've been in this thread since the beginning, no one is failing to understand you, you just make very poor emotional arguments.

>>220626666
Scar was still trying to reason his way out of the situation, not begging to suck dick lol

>>220626543
>But he was never meant to be understood, empathized with, or even liked
Assuming this is true, one wonders if the writer was offended he accidentally stumbled upon a compelling character
Which is obvious considering how many attempts were made to make him utterly pathetic and detestable

>>220626612
>fair fight
Homelander never experienced how it feels to actually physically fight and probably felt like when you're fighting in your dreams.
It was a fair fight as fighting a child with polio would be a fair fight.

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it was a sopranos reference

>>220626688
Scar is a different character. He's a fantastical Shakespearean villain. Homelander is from a completely different world: a crass, vulgar, cyncial, modern American world. "I'll suck your dick" is just part of the language he speaks

>>220626612
>that he had the opportunity to kill 10 times over.

He even says that right before he dies lol

>>220626682
Nta but you did jump into the conversation without the right context. Now it just looks like you're copping out and pretending you're aloof after engaging seriously for a while.

>>220626736
this season felt like every episode had at least two/three scenes of someone insulting him and making him look pathetic

Honestly, he’s been pathetic since season 2. I felt bad for him though most of the series.

Some chuds needed all five seasons to learn Homelander was the bad guy, huh?

>>220626653
I think he didn't do what he could've done was because ultimately he wanted to be loved, not feared. Look at how happy he was when the crowd cheered for him after he lasered the guy who threw a can at Ryan. Trying to build a relationship with Soldier Boy even after he tried to kill him TWICE. Even at the end he was trying to reach out to Ryan too.

>>220626365
The comic is more cohesive and better overall. Still dumb subversive trash though

So the tentacle that came out of Deep's mouth... did it go up his... you know?

>>220624593
Same. The guy got tortured every day as a kid. He didn't deserve it. But I guess his circumstances and the mental health problems he got as a result of those don't count because he's white.

>>220626746
I mean, he's still a fucking grown man. He can make a fist and swing his arms. But putting him up against an SAS (or is Butcher Royal Marines? Don't remember) war vet probably isn't very fair

>>220626837
Yes! His butthole! Hahaha stuff going in butthole haha poopoo peepee dickbutt fuck shit cunt fuck fuck

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>>220626837
up his ASS!!!! HAHAHA
and then it went OUT HIS MOUTH LMAOOOOOOO
you know what also happened? HE HAD HIS BALLS CRUSHED BY THE OCTOPUS HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

>>220626736
They made the same mistake with Soldier Boy in S3 which explains how schizo he was in this season. They legitimately did not know where to put him and they can't make him as aggressively macho because he get a shiny new spin-off, they're complete idiots

The fact that this could have happened in Season 3 and decided to meaninglessly drag things out sucks...
Where did the budget go anyway? Season 1 had some pretty gnarly effects and felt satisfying.

>>220625305
Almost all the people he killed were directly or indirectly responsible for making him who he is and were just generally making the world a worse place.

>>220624732
jesus

>>220626887
I also forgot to mention, penis butthole anal anus asshole cock

>>220626906
Yeah that child he killed on that plane and that blind guy he discombobulated were really such menaces to society

>>220626887
i'm convinced this guy is unironically immature

>>220626952
Oh no not the hecking blind superhero trying to get a job at the evil megacorporation!

You couldn't even come up with two examples without tripping up halfway.

>>220626837
How does he die to a regular octopus anyway? Whilst I like it more than him getting mogged by the bogged its still a pretty lame way to go out.
The Deep was genuinely their friend. They give him shit for the oil stuff but that was 100% Black Noir 2's doing and it angered the deep to the point he was willing to kill a member of the seven about it.

>>220626596
Albert Fish is only a big deal to true crime faggots that take his schizo confessions as cold hard truth. He killed that girl he kidnapped and might have killed the little boy but all that cannibal shit was pure crackhead delusion.

was I the only one who didnt care about any of "the boys"? I was watching it for homelander and his tight crew

>>220626988
>he only murdered like ONE child, like get over it dude, is that the best you can come up with?

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>>220626964
Truth be told it's just some weird fetish with jews - they absolutely love toilet humor and find it the funniest shit possible
I mean, I do enjoy toilet humor myself but the amount of it we got in the last season was simply off the charts so it starts being annoying instead of funny

>>220624632
would you pity your wife's rapist?

>>220627022
Killing one innocent only makes him as evil as Starlight. And sucking cock to get into the Seven is not quite as good of an excuse as getting tortured every day.

>>220626682
How is any of that related to me coming into the thread and replying to a person most likely you who posted about the serious business of trump and not excusing people behavior due to trauma?

Wtf is this a bot?

>>220625305
Obama killed more people than Homelander. Washington killed more people than Homelander. Mao and Stalin killed WAY more people than Homelander, both are still popular in China and Russia. I don't know what country you are from but I can guarantee that you have very real national heroes that killed more innocent people than Homelander. Imagine how many young guys were just drafted off the streets of America during the civil war and died in the most gruesome ways later just because Lincoln needed cannon fodder

>>220627055
Bystander here. Did he really rape her in the show? I thought they just fucked.

>>220627061
The blind guy was also innocent.
>he was trying to join Vought, which is le evil!!
Starlight also joined Vought. Good people join Vought, they don't know any better. He also murdered Supersonic, the suicidal girl, and raped Butcher's wife

>>220627090
There are people who are indistinguishable from bots so I wouldn't get too worked up over it.

>>220625305
That's literally their libshit world view, trauma does excuse being horrible.

>>220626988
Blindspot was probably a scumbag anyway. All the young superheroes were twits anyway, why wouldn't Blindspot be the same way?

>>220627122
Starlight is an extremely evil cunt, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.

>>220627061
Oo got em

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>>220625026
TRVTHNVKE

>>220627131
No one here said this, and the ahitlib writers themselves clearly don't believe it either.

>>220627061
you wanted to say child so bad

>>220627099
A politician writing an executive order that ultimately results in people dying isn't comparable to personally killing someone with your bare hands. Like, let's compare Hitler and Ted Bundy. I would argue that Ted Bundy is infinitely worse, despite having 0.00005% the body-count, because he did so out of senseless cruelty and sadism and looked them in the eye as he did it

poltards crashing out hard

>>220627141
I'm talking about season 1 Starlight here

>>220627172
Lol >>220625825

>>220624593
I think it's because the actor is very good.

>>220624685
they gul dukated him

>>220625305
>Having a bad childhood doesn't excuse him
Why not? Would you blame a cannibal raised by cannibals in a remote cannibal tribe for being a cannibal? The character was raised in a lab, abused by the scientists that were closest to parental figure he didn't have, fed the narrative he's the strongest being in existance from the get go. People grow up to be more fucked up with much better childhoods.

>>220624593
They fumbled the character development and rushed things too much. They humanized him a little too much. I get that without his powers they want to portray him as a sniveling coward at the end in the face of death, but they really went wrong with the level of humanizing.

His killings of the Vought scientists who tortured him as a child were justified. Including that just humanizes him and allows you to feel sympathy. Also, he cares for his father and seeks his approval. He often shows mercy which is uncharacteristic, and doesn’t make sense for the character.

They also crammed so much in toward the end that they easily could have stretched it out for another season and made Homelander really start doing increasingly heinous shit. Full scale acts of genocide would make his inevitable death actually satisfying. Yes, he is a piece of shit, yes he has killed innocent people, yes he deserves to die, but you can’t humanize someone like that if you want to make their humiliating death sweetly satisfying.

I’m not sure who specifically is to blame; Kripke, Amazon, Rogen, maybe all involved? Either way, they really fumbled there at the end. It’s evident they hurriedly wrapped things up because they know the popularity of Soldier Boy is the biggest selling point, and they’re just rushing to cash in on that with Vought Rising.

>>220627185
He is not comparable in your eyes but he is in mine. What's the point of being evil if all your "evilness" is contained within your head, just like in Homelander's case? A single politician accomplishes what thousands of serial killers never could, yet the politician lives to tell the tale and laugh on his way to the bank while the poor shmucks whom he indirectly murderer get to enjoy the privilege of saying "at least he did not kill me with his own hands!". I am sure when you die of starvation becaus I stole all the food and money from your home, you will be happy that you died a slow agonizing death instead of a quick and violent one, right?

>>220627269
>They humanized him a little too much.

Only retards who think TV shows much be black and white think this.

>>220627252
"It's all he knows" is bullshit. If an innocent person is looking you in the eye and begging and screaming at you not to kill them and you do it anyways, you're clearly lacking in the basic fundamental empathy that makes humans human. No amount of childhood abuse will condition that out of you, that excuse can only be stretched so far

Why is there so much whataboutism in this thread?
>X is bad
>Well what about Y then?
Yeah retard they're both garbage.

>>220627290
Obviously I'm not denying that dictators are some of the most evil humans to ever live. I'm just stating the obvious undeniable fact that it's a very different flavor of evil from the visceral senseless cruelty of a serial killer who gets up close and personal. There's also the fact that every politician believes what they're doing is for the betterment of society. Hitler, Mao, Stalin; all of them believed it was for the greater good. While there's no sincere delusion in the world that could convince someone that raping and killing a little girl is making the world a better place

>>220627338
There’s a big subset of humanity that doesn’t even experience emotions like the median. Besides ethics are wholly subjective on how someone is raised/conditioned.

>>220627102
A bit

>>220625641
and season 1 he gets off on being a serial killer and raping later hes this attention seeking faggot the writers had no idea what they were doing with this guy

>>220627338
in the majority of cultures throughout human history, killing an 'innocent' person who is pathetically begging for their lifes was considered extremely cool and based. only christcucked cultures consider it wrong and talk about 'muh fundamental empathy that makes humans human'.

>>220627338
You don't think the majority of cannibal victims did not pleade to not be eaten?

>>220627318
That’s not black and white, that’s just how you properly set up a humiliating and satisfying death for your villain.

>>220627425
Contrary to your juvenile understanding of history and anthropology, there is no culture at any point in human history that thought murder was okay. In all human society, there exists the concept of "the tribe". Yeah, cavemen were allowed to smash the babies of rival tribes to pieces, Romans were allowed to crucify those who weren't Roman, but intratribal cruelty is a universal human taboo. If you have no tribe and are capable of dehumanizing anyone by default, that is dysfunctional antisocial mental illness that even ISIS militants and cartel sicarios would condemn

>>220624883
Was that real? I assumed it was like a dream from the dog's perspective or something

>>220627523
moving the goalposts hard by suddenly pretending that you weren't talking about 'fundamental human empathy' but just about in-group taboos

>>220627525
The actor still did it, retard.

>>220627561
In-group taboos IS fundamental human empathy

>>220626988
Nah Homelander was a piece of shit, Just think of what he did to the Deep, And also killing Noir and many innocent people just because he felt like it.

can't believe there are people unironically defending Homelander's actions. maybe Kripke should've made him even more comically evil.

>>220627601
no, its not. you either incredibly dishonest or you don't understand any of the words you are using.

>>220627629
they could have just written Homelander as he was in the comic and nobody would have sided with him.

>>220627595
Yeah he was acting retard.
The issue is that the actor did stuff out of character in the final episode. The dog thing was the dog's character retard.

>>220627645
I hate how they instead created a compelling character that was fun to watch

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>>220627629
Should've adapted this scene

>>220627269
Kripke to be blamed, They even humanized him in the last episode with the Ryan scene and also Humanized him with The Legend scene.

The value cost of his death was outweighted by his human moments, So his death felt very very depressing

>>220627688
That would have made him even more like Trump though

>>220627677
this but unironically.

>>220627629
It is impossible to satirize fascism. No matter how absurd you make it look, fascists will always think it is cool.

>>220627688
They should've done more heinous shit with Homelander in order for that Death to be all sensible and satisfying, But they literally humanized him and fucking bullied him

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At least comicbook Homelander went out swinging. It was unironically a better end than what the TV show did.

>>220627601
Your logic would dictate most murder does not exist since anything outside of killing your own was just culture.

>>220627629
I am a literal communist and I still think Homelander is less terrible than many real-world politicians. He barely impacted anyone's life, even his indirect kill count is below 10 000, which is pathetic for an """ultimate evil|"""

I've only watched season 1, what happened with Butchers wife was she actually raped or what? Doesn't seem like Butcher has all that much to avenge if she wasn't

Also I think I read that Butchers wife eventually gets killed by homelanders son, so does he kill the son?

>>220627718
This can be applied to homosexuals and leftist.

Two men swimming in eachother feces wearing diapers and rollar skates is just hip to them.

>>220627793
>poo poo pee pee lol

Grow up, Kripke.

>>220627629
If Homelander was actually evil then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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>>220627767
We needed a scene like this. Or like the ending of the Elfen Lied manga. Just full-blown disaster movie shit. But of course, the budget couldn't allow for that

So why is homelander a bad guy?
He only killed bad people?

>>220627845
>if I wasn't retarded we wouldn't be having this discussion
yeah. anyway, I understand seeing him as a tragic character and understanding and how he turned out the way he was, but that's completely different from the outrage I see from some posters here over him getting the death he deserved.

>>220627909
Name 5 evil things Homelander has done.

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>>220626016
Edgar Nick Land speech on the inevitability of capitalism was the highpoint of the show.

>>220627914
lol

>>220627824
Lol good point kripke is a perfect example of one of the leftist I am talking about.

>>220627914
1. Murdered child on airplane
2. Murdered suicidal girl
3. Murdered blind guy
4. Raped Butcher's wife
5. Murdered guy who accidentally hit his son with a water bottle

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>>220624685
Shitty American writing, you need your 2 dimensional good vs evil like Jofrey from GoT. Funny seeing it bleed into 2017 when brainlets litterally thought Hillary was stupid and evil and Trump 4d gods chosen. Id love to know how many QAnon posters were to cowardly to kill themselves and are still here.

>>220627994
There's no hard proof that he raped her. On the video footage shown in the show she leaves the room completely fine, she is not crying, not running away, not calling for police, her clothes are not torn apart

>>220628030
>lists 5 things
>only refutes one
I don't understand how people don't realize that they're shooting themselves in the foot when they do this

>>220627994
>1. Murdered child on airplane
Fair enough.
>2. Murdered suicidal girl
She killed herself.
>3. Murdered blind guy
He was a superhero trying to get a job at THE evil corporation.
>4. Raped Butcher's wife
It's ambiguous.
>5. Murdered guy who accidentally hit his son with a water bottle
>>>accidentally
He deserved it.

You got 1 out of 5, want to keep trying?

>>220628049
I am another guy. I don't give a shit about other points, I am just stating a fact that the rape is dubious and we have to believe that it was rape only because the characters say so, not because of what we see.

>>220628030
It's rape in that there's no way you can say no to Homelander.

>>220628075
Yet why she did not cry after "the rape", why she did not run away? You get raped and you are not even upset? Again, the show has literal recording of the wife leaving the room and still she acted unfazed there, as if she were getting raped every Monday

>>220627994
Crazy how many of those "murders" were people who were going to die anyway.

>>220628056
If you're gonna make it that obvious, you may as well have just said that murdering the child was justified too. At least commit to the bit

>>220628162
Huh?

>>220628249
you are replying to a schizo/schizo larper

They should have put the scene in where he drops a car with a family in it from the sky

Would've been kino if he were depowered and forced to live as a wagie for the rest of his life.

>>220628501
Um, sweetie, we don't do this here. The Adolph Homelander (killed less people than Obama, btw) HADto beg to suck dick in the White House, it's like his whole character resolution, m'kay?

>>220626601
>tell you my backstory
>i am now exempt from all consequences for my actions
>just feel sorry for me already you CHUD

>>220628213
Did you even watch the show? It can't possibly be this hard to name 4 more things.

>>220627857
>like the ending of the Elfen Lied manga
i don't remember that at all, I only remember mc marrying his cousin and then having tears of joy because two loli appeared

>>220628603
I could name a hundred things but you'd just come up with a bullshit meme justification like "actually that was based" for all of them. What's the point?

>>220628688
I don't want you to name a hundred things. I only need 5. You already got 1 down. You're almost there, pup, come on. Just a little more.

>>220625956
No he asked a human woman to have consenting sexual relations with him. That's disgusting and he deserves to be loathed, derided, and brutally killed.

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>>220628687
Lucy's vectors grow to the side of reaching past the atmosphere and she causes a magnitude 9 earthquake that kills thousands of people. She was actually trying to destroy the earth's core so she could literally destroy the planet itself, but her body melted before she could expend that much power. I'm getting a fucking apocalypseboner describing this btw

>>220625572
>kids who grow up in fucked up households have a tendency to be fucked up adults and that’s probably not good for society

You really think that’s a hard concept for people to grasp?

>>220624685
It's not even because they hate him. It's because liberals have TDS and they are obsessed with Trump so they made homelander Trump.

>>220628560
I mean, can you blame him? They make him a psycho.

>>220628702
6. He murdered Supersonic
>erm actually he worked for Vought
7. He murdered Anika
>erm actually she worked for Vought
8. He gave Compound V to terrorists
>erm actually ISIS is based
9. He pretty much murdered everyone on that flight
>erm actually that was the terrorists' fault
10. He rounded thousands up in concentration camps
>erm actually I like eating my own shit
Thank you for sharing

>>220628743
oh fuck i remember that, and she turns into a creepy blob

>>220627688
Doesn't he rape his Dad?

>>220628809
You make Homelander sound like the US government, ngl. Not only the US in our timeline supplied the ISIS with weapons, it's also responsible for the whole Afghanistan Mujahedeen movement + the US has private prisons with forced labour, which are worse than the concentration camps depicted in the show. The writers really could do much more to show the HM being evil but they fucked up and made him look like a generic US official with God complex on top

Invincible did a better job in the last episode of season 1 where Nolan indiscriminately kills hundreds of people to prove a point while beating up Mark. We couldn't do something as simple as that to establish Homelander as irredeemable? Nah, let's give him another childhood lab abuse scene.

>>220624593
Because it made no sense.
It felt like watching an AI generated ending

>>220628809
>worked for Vought
Why is this not a good justification for you? Killing everyone who works for Vought is genuinely a good deed.
>8. He gave Compound V to terrorists
Though ordinarily I'd judge this by the actual consequences and the reasons behind them, I don't remember this storyline nearly well enough so I'll just give you the point.
>>9. He pretty much murdered everyone on that flight
Destroying the panel was certainly his mistake, but it wasn't intentional, and neither can he be considered a bad guy for attempting to stop the hijack and simply not succeeding. Yes, the terrorists were responsible for that shit.
>10. He rounded thousands up in concentration camps
Sure.

So 3/5 (with pity). Want to keep going?

>>220628809
>I willingly watched the show past season 2's ultra-cringefest
>erm actually I like eating my own shit
bruh. NTA, but get some taste faggot.

>>220628911
>establish Homelander as irredeemable?
Err, the entire Invincible show since that episode, has been slowly trying to rehabilitate the image of Nolan ever since that moment in time. While i agree with your sentiment, thats not a good counter-example per se.

>>220628743
Based, I love Lucy

>>220629080
I agree, but the thing is that's the difference between an evil action done in season 1 vs an evil action done in season 5. "Homelander's gonna lose it at any time and go school shooter" is the dumbest tease this show did for 5 fucking seasons.

>>220628878
I know he rapes soldier boy but he wasn't his dad in the comic

Only you fucking retards would spend an entire thread trying to defend a murderous psychopath with a god complex by claiming that he was "too humanized" to deserve a brutal death.

>>220629130
fair point, thats why i quit watching in S3 when it got super duper faggoty. I don't think i've missed anything except Soldier Boy being occassionally based.

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I saw all 5 seasons just for this moment, what a disappointment

>>220629156
I stopped at season 4 and wish I hadn't watched it.

>>220624685
They always intended him to kill him and pretending he is trump

>>220629160
>not "my wife's son!"

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>>220629160
I just wanted to see this done in live action, fuck. Sure, you don't have to do the black noir clone twist but satisfy the revenge story

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>>220625334
It's not about removal of consequence or even consequence in proportion to one's sin because honestly in relation to the sins he has committed he deserved to suffer for far longer and far worse
It's about how the showrunners are so visibly obsessed with humiliating and making a joke out of the character in a way that's outwardly reovlting and visible to even the most normalfag viewer that it creates pangs of dissonance in their brain. When you have a guy groveling, offering to literally eat shit, it transcends what you're watching and you just wonder who the fuck the writers are mad at.
It's the type of pointless low-class content that tries to be raw and edgy but in reality it's pointless and self-serving for the writer's fantasies.

>>220628560
Worked for A-Train.

>>220628957
>Killing everyone who works for Vought is genuinely a good deed.
Amazon is an evil company but that doesn't mean all 1.58 million of its employees deserve to die. Anika was literally just a crime analysts clerk. Did Hitler's secretary deserve to get skinned alive? If you want to be really retarded, Becca worked for Vought too, so you may as well go full retard and say she deserved to get raped. Supersonic was never shown doing anything bad, he was just a supe who fell for Vought's propaganda, like season 1 Starlight.
>neither can he be considered a bad guy for attempting to stop the hijack and simply not succeeding.
While it's ambiguous as to what exactly Homelander could've done on the flight, his behavior during it is unambiguously meant to damn him. He could've tried Maeve's suggestions, he could've tried to save at least a few, but instead he just immediately gave up and threatened to kill them all because he didn't care. Totally something a hero would do. He also deliberately lied about it to the media as a casus beli

>>220629221
they sooner spend the money on the cocaine party while throwing darts at trump pics

>>220629258
>Amazon is an evil company but that doesn't mean all 1.58 million of its employees deserve to die.
It does.
>Oh but I'm only helping the evil organization a little bit, you can't blame me!
Yes I can.
>Becca worked for Vought too, so you may as well go full retard and say she deserved to get raped.
I still don't believe she got raped.
>his behavior during it is unambiguously meant to damn him
Being mean is not bad enough to count for his 5 evil deeds I'm afraid.

>>220624593
Coz he was a product of his environment. Same reason I feel bad for pitbulls despite them being little baby eating machines.

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So what happened to Gus Fring? Did he end up becoming the CEO in a "haha things never change" ending?

>>220629347
Even if Homelander did absolutely nothing wrong EXCEPT killing that single child on that plane, that still fucking makes him evil. If you met a guy who murdered a child, wouldn't you want him to have a life sentence at the very least? Where does this arbitrary number 5 come from?

>>220629414
>Even if Homelander did absolutely nothing wrong EXCEPT killing that single child on that plane, that still fucking makes him
only as evil as Starlight, who killed a complete stranger to steal his car.

>>220629406
Yes

>>220629221
Notice how this guy didn't offer to suck Butchie's pocket rocket

>>220629441
Strangers are not the same as kids.

>>220629453
I don't give a shit if the innocent person is 9 years old or 90 years old, it's still an innocent person and it's evil to kill them.

>>220629441
>missing the obvious joke of Starlight getting abortion
You really need to step up your game

>>220629258
>Anika was literally just a crime analysts clerk
And a cute

>>220629449
Homelander in the comic is literally a faggot who fucks men lol. They made him and Soldier Boy LESS gay in the show
>inb4 'that's Black Noir in that picrel, you tourist!'
Yeah and Black Noir literally raped Hughie, they're all faggots

>>220629498
Homelander also says the nigger word in the comic.

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hehehehehe butts
hehe...poopoo
hehehehe butts pooping
hehehehe

>>220629498
>Yeah and Black Noir literally raped Hughie,
Pitching, not catching so it's A-OK

>>220627994
1. Murdered child on airplane
whatever
2. Murdered suicidal girl
she was jewish
3. Murdered blind guy
He was evil ass
4. Raped Butcher's wife
debateable
5. Murdered guy who accidentally hit his son with a water bottle
Accidents happen

>>220625229
This phrase reminds me of, only Ymir knows.

>>220629467
Obviously Starlight killing that dude was wrong, and one of the worst writing flaws of the show, but to act like the situations are 1:1 comparable is absurd. Starlight's murder was an accident, Homelander's was cold-blooded

>>220629534
>Bald
>Short
>Attached earlobes
Yeap