>It's stylistically designed to be that way and you can't undo that. But we can diminish the effects of it.The fuck does that even mean?
Depends on what he's talking about
>>220628436>we have to polish this turd
>>220628436Fancy talk for "we fucked up big time"
>>220628436It's like a spicy dish. If someone doesn't like spicy food you can add cream to the dish to make it milder but you can't undo the spicy, it's stylistically designed to be that way
>>220628436because it was bold in jerking people around
>>220628436It means NOTHING
>>220628436why do filmmakers go through the added pressure of filming a making-of documentary WHILE filming the movie itself. Cameras pointed at cameras, fucking clusterfuck waste of time.
>>220628468The fuck?
>>220628574It is fun for the dvd watchers.
>>220628436The pacing of the scenes is too abrupt and often comes off as cartoonish, but we can't cut the scenes shorter because necessary info is in those bits. We will have to work around the pacing issues to make things less jarring but we can't get rid of it entirely because the problem is baked into the scenes and would require a full reshoot of the movie to remove.
He means the entire movie is set up to have the four endings and you can't just remove any of them, then it won't work. What you can do is alter the editing so that you spend more or less time focusing on specific parts of the finale so that it flows better and each setpiece distracts from the others less, or perhaps more. It's a perfectly understandable and reasonable thing to say, and I really don't understand why people single this quote out as somehow ridiculous or inexplicable. I think it's because a lot of people are stupid and don't know how to use their brain.
>>220628804This.
>>220628850What's hilarious is they could have easily cut the queen trying to capture the Viceroy. That shit was completely pointless since blowing up the control ship destroys the droid army and makes capturing the Viceroy a forgone conclusion. You could have easily cut out the Gungan army shit too once they start retreating. Hell I don't even think that shit was necessary since they could have attacked the Naboo City and gave the rest of the Naboo guard cover to storm the hangar. Congrats George I just fixed your fucking movie ending and it wouldnt have been that hard to do.
>>220628436>hot DAMN i fucked this thing up
>>220628922I guarantee that three decades later you'd have morons on an incel forum complaining that they didn't show the Viceroy getting captured in that caseI think it's a cool bit, I enjoy the rappelling and Natalie Portman is fun to look at
>>220628922Eh, I think the goonga army stuff has to stay in in some capacity because that's the reason the capital isn't just impenetrable but then again george just wrote off the blockade as soon as it became inconvenient for them to run it a second time so anything could have gone
>>220628574it's the only good way to doc a movie's creationany time it's done way after the movie it's fucking shit, you get a bunch of literal who youtubers gushing instead
>>220628996Then have him on board the control ship and blow him the fuck up
>>220628922The ""point"" of the movie is symbiosis and Queen Amadala saving her people. Removing both Naboo plotlines (Queen and Gungan) would be great for enjoyment, but the messages of the film would be undermined.
>>220629099Yeah and thats still accomplished without the viceroy capture plot. Or did you forget it was the Naboo navy that destroyed the control ship?
>>220629099>tpm>having a messagethe message of the movie is george lucas is autistic and likes goongas and pod racing
>>220628436Behind the scenes of Megaflopulous is far more interesting: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN3ldrop0QXeY7qSf2Jj5RObvj6LPNc9w
>>220628804>the problem is baked into the scenes and would require a full reshoot of the movie to remove.Jesus...
>>220628436>We fucked up by doing too much but we can edit it down a bit to make it less overwhelming for the mass audience. At least we have two more prequels, the next one will be better.It wasn't better btw. All the prequels suck.
>>220628436In a new hope Luke blows up the doom shart. In Jedi he fights the emperor and Han Solo fights the Ewoks to blow up the shield generator while Hand Solo flies into the Death Star all at once. In the phantom the pitch was to make it even bigger by having the story line split into FOUR struggles instead of three or one to make it even bigger. Hollywood studios were all about this at the time. You’ll remember Xman 3 had Magnet lift the Golden Gate Bridge and fight Wolverine or whatever. Star Wars was EVEN BIGGER this time as a cinematic epic. It wasn’t just about the story. It also wasn’t really the problem with the movie actually people generally like the ending. The problem is all the rest of it is boring and the characters are annoying and they don’t spend time on the cool ones like Obi and Kai gone and Darth Mayl. >>220628922He was an early SJW and wanted a woman to do some action shit. Too bad she’s a stale boring character
>>220629821Attack of the Clones is actually the best prequel.
He could have lessened the effects by removing all the comical shit with Jar Jar. There's no slapstick in the original movies when it matters during the final battles. But in Phantom Menace every scene of the supposedly doomed brave last stand of the GOOngans is undermined by Jar Jar niggering about and Anakin making retarded faces and quipping while blowing up thousands. Imagine if Anakin was deathly serious while flying and suddenly became super mature and focused while in the cockpit instead of going YIPPIEEEE ... WHOOPS. Would have been great character development.
>>220631048>There's no slapstick in the original movies when it matters during the final battles.You're either lying or haven't seen the original trilogy. You're probably just lying though. The stuff on Endor is easily more retarded and out of place than the stuff with the Gungans.
>>220631100Endor came to mind but isn't the battle on the planet basically done/sidelined by the time the big space battle happens and Luke confronts the Emperor? The ewok shit is of course already a precusor to George's later excesses.
>>220628436It's called editing. RLM and their acolytes playing dumb, as always. They're like leftists in that way, pretending to not understand.
>>220628436>Quigon Jinn dies and it's sad>IMMEDIATELY cut to Jarjar minstrel antics on the battlefieldbut remember, sequels bad, prequels good.
>>220628574>why do filmmakers go through the addedIt's an Ego thing. To document their own GENIUS.
>>220628436Editing
>>220631230I don't get what you're saying. He says they can't undo it but only diminish its effects so it can't be editing.
>>220630921>actuallyfucking kill yourse;f
>>220631322Do you think it was pure envy of the artistic brilliance and workmanship of the talent surrounding him that led George to convert to CGI slop?He just stands out so badly in the auditorium full of fantastic talent involved in this film.
>>220631404retard
>>220628436It's like saying>Wow that guy's cape is REALLY red. Keep it red, but turn the saturation down a bitHow is it hard to understand?
>>220631404No, it's just a mixture of laziness and being able to do anything while sitting in a chair and not wanting to be dependent on others too much. If you got some slave doing what you want on a computer you aren't dependent on a bunch of artists who might clash with your vision and have their own ideas. That's why he gradually removed the human elements. The only thing he couldn't fully remove were the actors.
>>220631456Same reason Walt Disney retreated into theme parks. Couldn't stand the clashes with animation workers.
>>220631456Born to early, in this age of ai slop George could have made the real star wars movie
He was talking about the uncensored sex scene with Padme. Ultimately he found that there was too much going on in the third act with the assault on the trade federation space station, the lightsaber duel, and the battle with the gungans. One of the plots had to be dropped for pacing purposes and that's what ended up getting dropped.
>>220631550A film to rival Rebel Moon!
>>220628922You could actually cut the entirety of TPM and it barely would make a difference since AotC basically resets everything anyway.
>>220631368>swearingActually kill yourself.
>>220631550If the original Star Wars film was 100% George no one would have liked it and it would have been some obscure cult movie at best
>>220628436it sounds really retarded but hes basically saying its too late to fundamentally change the movie, the best they can do now is round off the excessive parts
He meant you cant edit the shit out of Menace because the shit IS the movieSo the most you can do is shorten some bits here and there. Stuff like Darth Jarjar.
>>220628436>I wrote a script with 6 stories all climaxing at the same time but we can try to edit it so its not schizophrenic
>>220631793I mean yeah, if it were just a movie of George Lucas dancing to Stayin' Alive or whatever for two hours it probably wouldn't have done so well.
>The Phantom Menace has four endings.>Attack of the Clones has one ending.>Revenge of the Sith has two endings.>A New Hope has one ending.>The Empire Strikes Back has one ending.>Return of the Jedi has three endings.
>>220631260>>Quigon Jinn dies and it's sad>>IMMEDIATELY cut to Jarjar minstrel antics on the battlefieldis that a complaint? more like based
>>220631779More of a reason for the taxation shit to cause a full on secession and kick of the clone wars immediately.Oh and make the clones the seperatist forces. The republic using clone soldiers was and still is fucking retarded.
>>220631793With 70's effects of courseBut today when a guy with a prompt can go really far?George will land it with ideas aloneDO IT GEORGE YOU HAVE THE MONEYRELEASE THE FIRST AI MADE FEATURE FILM
>>220631260First of all you're lying because he hadn't died at that point, and even if your fictional version of reality that you concocted to say the prequels were better were true it still wouldn't be enough for you to say that the prequels were better, lying psycho. All you've accomplished is showing how far you have to stretch to make arguments in support of the sequels and still fail.
I still wonder what it would be like if he had made the prequels in the 70's and 80's and the original trilogy in the 90's and 00's. I feel like we'd see what the prequels would have been like if they were more grounded and had better writing and structure and the original trilogy would be more lively and off-the-wall but loftier and with not as good writing. It would be interesting to see.
>>220632474Imagine how butthurt people would be if they saw a hero as beloved as Luke turn to the dark side
For some reason I thought we'd somehow get to see Padme in a golden bikini or something similar in Revenge of the Sith. I knew that I and II mirrored IV and V and I was holding out hope.Of course, I also thought that Anakin would be, you know, fighting the clone wars and not kicking around Coruscant for almost the entire movie.
>>220632474The OT was made to captivate children and their parents. The Prequels were made to jangle keys in front of the arrested development children the first trilogy captivated, and harvest infinite Merch $$$.If the franchise started with the PT it would have gone nowhere. They have no heart or soul at all, they are cash-ins.You might as well have conjectured "What if the Mummy franchise started with Scorpion King?"
>>220632577>The Prequels were made to jangle keys in front of the arrested development children the first trilogy captivatedNot really. The fact that gen X had a meltdown when they came out does not mean that they were made for that purpose. Gen X will have you believe that Kurt Cobain made better music than Jerry Garcia. They're the most miserable generation on earth and will throw a fit any time something colors outside the lines. They've somehow decided what is collectively seen as good or bad for about forty years. I was five years old when the Phantom Menace came out and I thought that it was the greatest shit ever until Attack of the Clones came out. Of course it doesn't hold up in adulthood the way the original trilogy does, but for those six years, my friends and I were all seriously invested in the way the trilogy would play out and were constantly theorizing about what the next movie would be like.
>>220632663The PT are a hot burning bag of overexplaining shit. Completely and utterly drains the mystery and magic of the OT by trying to lay out how everything works and why. The more any particular character is fleshed out, the worse it gets.
>>220632663I was also 5 when Phantom Menace came out and it literally put me to sleep.
>>220632663They still came with the largest marketing campaign in history and unprecented commercialization from day one.
>>220628436it means he had 4 story arcs smashing together in a clusterfuck of a climax with mixed emotional tones. jesus watch the reddit letter media review
>>220632712The original trilogy must have put you to sleep too then. As much as a shitshow as the Phantom Menace was, it was far from boring.
>>220632754That's his trademark. He started doing it with American Graffiti.
The Empire is a fucking cool antagonist---until they 'splain how they formed and the Special Origin of the Stormtroopers.Vader is one of the greatest villains in movie history, aura before aura was a term. Every second Anakin is on the screen, he just retroactively becomes less cool.Tying C-3PO and R2-D2 so closely to Vader/Anakin is baffling and retarded, and only done for merch purposes.The Empire having only been in existence for 20 years is pants-on-head retarded.And that's without going into anything like the Force cooties.If anyone but "Muh Daddy George" had shat out the PT, they'd be thoroughly reviled as a bastardization of the OT.
The best comparison I can make is that the PT is The Hobbit to the OT's Lord of the RIngs, in every single way except not switching directors.
>>220632474Hard to imagine that because Lucas himself did not think his vision of the prequels could be realized on the technology of the time. Advancements in CGI were what motivated him to give it a try. This is where people get the idea that the OT isn't 100% his baby because a lot of what made those movies what they are we
>>220632829>Every second Anakin is on the screen, he just retroactively becomes less cool.Yeah, Anakin is basically nothing like what you would have judging from how the original trilogy painted him. He was definitely the worst part about the prequels. You were supposed to see a great guy get tragically corrupt, not an inevitable train wreck waiting to happen. And the fact that he turned to the dark side as a means to an end to help his girlfriend is so unbelievably fucking retarded. The people who act like the prequels are as good as or better than the original trilogy are so weird to me, and I'm the one who's been defending them in this thread. I mean I like them mainly for nostalgic purposes, and they are entertaining, but let's not lie and act like they weren't a shitshow, especially Revenge of the Sith, which people inexplicably say is "the good one." Vader is smart and weirdly empathetic in that he somehow knows what everyones reason for doing things is. We could have seen the benevolent version of that where he's using that smart, calculated intellect and intuition for good, but the Anakin we got with the prequels is basically an entirely different character. Even when we see him as Vader at the end, he just isn't acting like Vader. And then George Lucas further fucked up the original trilogy retroactively just so that it would match the original trilogy in its shittiness rather than making a better trilogy when he had the chance.
>>220632946Making him Space Jesus and bringing in the force and prophecies etc was a mistake. Took away the human element of a man gone wrong and having become a tool of evil. This paved the way for how the universe has been handled since, everything must tie back to Space Jesus, which destroyed it.
>>220632946Thank you for hitting the nail on the head. With Vader you got the sense he was an "ends justify the means" sort of villain and that he only ever realized the error of his ways when he had a personal part of his life effected by his regime. It would have been cool to see Anakin just double down on what he thought was the morally right outcome until he was doing unbelievably evil things to make right by his view.
Here is your promptComputer make me a star wars movie as directed by george lucas
>>220632813>The original trilogy must have put you to sleep too thenOnly the middle part of Return did. Fuck ewoks.>s much as a shitshow as the Phantom Menace was, it was far from boring.My general feeling as a kid watching the PT was "I should enjoy this, but I don't" and I couldn't really articulate why. There's a lot of shit going on, it's very dense etc, but somehow it's boring. I liked Revenge of the Sith a lot more, probably because the characters actually show some emotion in that movie, even if it's dumb.
>>220632884Are there any details about when he started planning the prequels in his head? Not any official stuff from the mid nineties when tpm was already happening, but random snippets from interviews and stuff during the eighties and early nineties where he drops ideas he has. I've heard stories about how Luke was originally an old man named Mace and all sorts of other things in the og script and his earlier drafts that got changed, so I'm curious about the evolution the prequels went through.
>>220633209He claims to have written two movies in 1973. One would have been the same story as the original trilogy, and the other would have been the same story as the prequels, but he realized when making the first one that the stories were too dense and had to be broken up into trilogies. He even alluded to a third trilogy around the 80's, but he stopped talking about that when he was making the prequels.
>>220631364it is editing. he says this in reply to editor ben burtt pointing out how quickly the movie changes tones during the climax. you immediately go from wacky jar jar comedy to qui gon's death, etc. the first cut of this stuff before they figured out the best placement for everything was probably a disaster.
>>220633281Yeah the sequel trilogy was originally gonna be about Luke turning to the dark side, right? And the at that time unknown sister would redeem him throughout the movies. Seems like not being able to do that after making Leia his sister in Jedi killed his motivation for that trilogy
>>220633385People complain about the complexity of all the different battles overlapping but ever since I first watched it I thought they edited it together well. It stays engaging and leaves you wanting to know what's going to happen in each location.
>>220632829>Tying C-3PO and R2-D2 so closely to Vader/Anakin is baffling and retardedYeah, that was unbelievably stupid. I know that he did it because the saga is supposed to be seen from the droids perspective, but he tied them in in the most illogical way possible. And why does Owen seem to have no idea who C3P0 is when buying him in a New Hope? He apparently lived with him for ten years.
