half of the problems would be fixed if they actually made an outline instead of shooting it on the fly

>>220638425
Brainlet meme. The reason it's 8 instead of 24 episodes is that this shit costs almost the same as a mid-budget movie per minute.

>>220638425
I think it’s fine how it ended. I would have liked more episodes building up to the climax but whatever. The series is good and I’ll watch it again eventually.

>>220638479
This and it takes so long to get another season that they're probably way over analyzing what they're writing and try to mash in last minute changes and undercooked ideas.

The 24 episode season shows had an episodic format.

>>220638493
twin peaks exists and I would rather forget any of those shows ever existed

Number of episodes per season doesn't matter, what matters is actually knowing how to tell a fucking story and to stop being up your own asshole and thinking you're too good and clever to do something as pedestrian as follow a thematic arc.

Actually plan your fucking story out so you can properly pace it with the allotted time you have each season. 8 episodes that are 40-50 minutes long is plenty when you know in advance what needs to happen in each season. You can plan episodes to follow season arcs that build the larger series arc. That way, even if you don't do anything "daring" or "subversive" you still have a thematically cohesive story with rewatch value. A competently executed story doesn't have to be shocking or novel, because it's something even better for building a brand: it's familiar.

Retarded fucking entertainment Jews fucking forgot how to tell a story goddamn.

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>>220638670
The problem with this is that American television rarely works like that. It operates at the behest of rating and advertising, which dictates shedules, budgets and personnel. If a show is a hit, it gets dragged out. If it's not, it's cut short. As such it's incredibly difficult to determine ahead of time how much of your story you're going to be able to tell, or how much you're going to simply have to make up as you go, and how much money you're going to have to do it.

You just have to accept this kind of bullshit with US shows. It's a miracle if it ever comes together feeling planned.

shows normies hype up are always bad. House of ninja gets canceled by netflix cos noone watched and I am still pissed.

>>220638493
why bother if the effects look worse than smallville.

>>220638425
12-13 is the sweet spot. Any less than that doesn’t give enough time for plot lines to develop, any more and you’re cramming a bunch of filler into the show

>>220638496
You're a retard so it doesn't matter

>>220638425
Stranger things was shit from episode 1
Game of thrones went to shit when they ran out of source material
The boys is the same middling quality all the way through it just ended
I don't really see what this proves other than everyone wants to bitch.

>>220639464
just ended that way*

>>220638425
The issue is a series running too long, not how many episodes each season has. They always start strong but have never planned out how it will end, so just start making it up as they go along.
Walking Dead S1 shits on your theory too by the way, that had 8 episodes vs the 16-24 episodes per season that followed.

>>220638670
>No, we can't have a satisfying conclusion with all loose ends tied up because the audience will expect that!
>No, the twist can't be sensible and seem obvious in retrospect because the fans will theorise and spoil it online before we reveal it! We need to make it something so retarded no one would ever expect it so we can trick the audience!
>No, the characters can't follow their arcs consistently because the audience won't be shocked by it! A thrilling character arc is an endless zigzag!
Subversion and fear of tropes ruined storytelling.

10 episodes per season is ideal

8 is fine but as other have pointed out the fundamental flaw is not having a coherent plan for those episodes. The 3 examples you pointed out are the writers fault for being shit writers

>>220638425
Stranger Things was nowhere near as bad a GoT. Neither was The Boys for that matter. In fact, the latter has always been shit so there's nothing to really write home about Nothing will ever be as bad as GoT's ending, only AoT comes close

>>220639464
>Game of thrones went to shit when they ran out of source material
They abandoned the source material well before running out of it. Technically there's a whole lot of source material they never adapted because they got so far away from the books in their retarded decisions as early as season 2 or 3, and those decisions compounded into totally different events for key characters, plus some characters dying off in the show that are still alive in the books, or some characters simply not even appearing in the show at all.

The Boys is a victim of the previous two seasons being largely filler, setting the final season up for failure. It is also a victim of the creators intentionally sabotaging the final season so they can use it as a launchpad for prequels and sequels. See Soldier Boy's entire role and the V1 plotline.

Stranger Things flopped because they decided to rewrite and retcon everything because of a stage play and spent the entire season on nonsense setting up their new, pointless twist.

Game of Thrones was the creators giving up, deciding they were done and wanting to do Star Wars. Ironically this was the right choice because the Covid 19 hoax would have shut the show down anyway.

All of these shows declined immensely before the final season and only fools were shocked that they ended poorly.

>>220638835
You could say this for early seasons, but when it's a FINAL season, everyone involved knows they have 8 episodes to wrap shit up and they still can't fucking manage to pace those properly.

>>220638479
>>220638542
>>220638670
>>220638835
>>220639535

The main problem is these streaming services (like Amazon or Netflix) usually pause production and wait for audience feedback before making a new season. This slows production down by months.

They will never admit this but writers, producers, and show runners quietly monitor social media to see what fans say. It's why fan favorite characters are suddenly changed in later seasons.

If the writers make a character you are "supposed to hate" but fans love them, then the writers will ruin the character even more and humiliate them in later seasons.

The Man on the High Castle is a great example. It was exploring the alternative history of what if Germany won WW2. The writers wanted you to hate Germany and love the rebels. But the fans started making comments on social media like "Wow German controlled America is so clean. There's no homeless and the streets are clean." and insulting the rebels in the show.

Writers got upset and decided to to just crash the show in later seasons.

>>220638425
>GoT
sucked after S4
>Stranger Things
was retarded gay shit since the start
>The Boys
was evil and jewish since the start
what's with people holding onto the shitty series and not realizing that they're shitty until the very end

>>220638479
First post Best post

>>220639783
>only AoT comes close
If you couldn't tell by the 2nd episode it was a meandering turd, I don't know what to say
Maybe you thought LOST was good, idk

>>220639937
>because of a stage play
What, one of the actors was busy on Broadway?

>>220640440
No, all the stuff about the Abyss and Vecna being the Mind Flayer's pawn is from a play released between seasons 4 and 5 that utterly retcons everything from season 4 and prior, and they spent the majority of season 5's runtime trying to incorporate those retcons into the story.

8 episodes isnt the problem the problem its extending shit that has no need to be extended (Got was just bad writing and a rush for no reason).

>>220639464
>The boys is the same middling quality all the way through it just ended
The first 2-3 episodes were good.

>>220639783
>Stranger Things was nowhere near as bad a GoT.
The finale wasn't as bad, but the final season as a whole was far worse. Second screen dialogue out of the wazoo, and mercilessly overlong. At least GoT had the decency to shrink from ten episodes a season to a mere six by the end.

>>220640474
>from a play released between seasons 4 and 5 that utterly retcons everything from season 4 and prior
I just read the website and it sounds better than the show

even if a show has only 8 episodes per season it's still operating in TV show logic, which is "make shit up as we go based on audience reception"
anything more than a 6 episode miniseries where the whole thing was finished before it even started airing and you're likely not going to get a good ending

>>220638425
8 episode format id superior
24 episode faggots seethe

back in my day seasons had 30 episodes