Seen a few clips of this on youtube. Is the whole show this good?
>>220644991Made by italian commies so obviously no
>nazis are le bad movie #12726416
Did Mussollini beg to suck dicks and eat shit in the end?
>>220645009>>220645012so much virtue
>NOOOO PLEASE DON'T SHOOT ME I'LL SUCK YOUR DICK I'LL EAT YOUR SHIT
There are some really good pictures of Mussolini and his stupid bitch of a "mistress"* dead but posting them will get you reported by his easily-upset faggot supporters and banned.* she gave him away by using his name at what couldn't have been a worse time
^still mindbroked 80 years later
>>220645009*British commies (based on an Italian commie book)
>>220644991Probably the only one who watched it here, I'd say it's pretty good.Historically it's pretty accurate, tho it has a couple of eyerolling moments like Mussolini saying "We have to make Italy great again".Which IS something he said in a minor speech, but clearly here is used as a reference to Trump.Overall still a pretty good series with good pacing and acting from the main character.
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>>220645097>she gave him away by using his name at what couldn't have been a worse timeEvery day really is a school day. Seriously, I didn't know that.
>>220645155if we can somehow keep it apolitical people like that are great roles for actors who really want to get their teeth into what they're doing. Hitler's another obvious example and so's that over-the-top windbag Churchill
>>220645036You mean like Salo?
>>220645440Clara Petacci, anon, was not noted for her intellectual agility.
>>220644991Fascism is bad because it's an authoritarian one-party system that puts the state before the individual. Now, allow me to espouse the joys of gommunism.
>>220645012you know brown people are the first to go right?
>>220645036Don't think so. Could be plausible in Biden's case though. I mean the family didn't even protect him after he went demented. Family isn't big in Democratic Party circles
>>220645036no but he was rather whiny in his last interview - he complained about the Italians, he complained about Hitler, he complained about Stalin, losing the war was everyone else's fault but his. He did have a last kino quote though:>"Life is naught but a stroke joining together two eternities"
>>220645513ohno not my leftist hero Stalin you take that back right now!ps: fag
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>>220645542>Could be plausible in Biden's case though.When /yourguy/ sucks as hard and as enthusiastically as Trump does with Netanyahu I guess false equivalencies assume an importance they wouldn't otherwise.
>>220645580>>220645599Hit a nerve there
"The Fascist dictator had announced he would receive the press. Everybody came. We all crowded into the room. Mussolini sat at his desk reading a book. His face was contorted into the famous frown. He was registering Dictator. Being an ex-newspaperman himself he knew how many readers would be reached by the accounts the men in the room would write of the interview he was about to give. And he remained absorbed in his book. Mentally he was already reading the lines of the two thousand papers served by the two hundred correspondents. "As we entered the room the Black Shirt Dictator did not look up from the book he was reading, so intense was his concentration, etc.”I tiptoed over behind him to see what the book was he was reading with such avid interest. It was a French-English dictionary — held upside down."--Ernest Hemingway, 1923
>>220645691/r/thathappened
>>220645753you suck almost as much at this as >>220645643. assuming you're not the same person anyway.
>>220644991more importantly, when do we get this version of the adriti song?
>>220644991>fascism is bornnothing like that exists. Italy had "fascist party" which was just a name like democrats or republicans but their main goal was to oppose bolsheviks
>>220646046nonsense, fascism was not a flash in the pan, it wasn't 10 years like nazism, it was 20.Giovanni Gentile gave it a philosophical framework and Niccolò Giani gave it a spiritual framework.It was action before theory, not action without theory
>>220646351Rephrase this in Shakespearian, Claude
>>220646392Nay, speak not such folly! Fascism was no mere spark that flickers and is gone — 'twas not a fleeting ten years as Nazism, but a score of years did it endure. Giovanni Gentile didst bestow upon it the mantle of philosophy, and Niccolò Giani didst clothe it in spiritual raiment. Mark thee well — 'twas action that came before theory, yet never action bereft of it.
>>220644991I'm a Fascist.
>>220645774your mom sucked at this last night
>>220646413no you're not, you're a neofascist, a pathetic imitation.You don't even know corporatism and you don't know what organic democracy is
>>220646351Fascism like nazism is a modern invention. Actually none of the original theories of the politicsl parties are ever discussed. So yeah fascist party of italy existed but fascism is a modern bolshevik invention, to smear their opponents who lost ww2
>>220645110>mindbroked
>>220645012nazis are le bad movies make for the hardest edits ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqF1CaenjEg
>>220646551a modern invention of 1927 from the Bolsheviks known as Mussolini and Gentile
fascism is basically synonymous with racism nowadays but the funny thing is there is literally nothing in the original italian fascist doctrines that promotes racism. mussolini didn't even believe in race.
>>220645155yeah i watched the whole thing, too. it was pretty damn good, historically accurate (not counting the make italy great again meme). it showed fascism in a better light than i expected it too.it was a nice surprise.
>>220646805>read about fascism>its actually pretty damn great>sounds like the best possible form of governing>oh hey, a mustached austrian painter wants to talk to me about it!
>>220646805let's be honest: there is nothing in the original fascist doctrine that promotes the later fascist doctrine
>>220646839people need to educate themselves and learn that fascism and nazis are two completely and absolutely different things and ideas. calling somebody a fascist isnt really an insult, why would it be?
>>220646849Neither is calling them a nazi tbf, although both were started by the soviets who urged their "useful idiots" in the west to label their opponents something they disagree with
>>220646849because fascism is no longer Mussolini's.Fascism has been its own messy thing ever since the 40s.Francoism, Pinochet, the Greek junta, and a slew of autocratic idiots alongside moronic domestic terrorists turned it into generic pointless thuggery, vaguely aping Hitler with a contempt for rational thought."Fascist" didn't become an insult overnight, it was a fall 80 years in the making.
>>220645525When jews are in charge? Yes
>>220646896Fascist is nothing more than a meaningless leftist buzzword.„Oh no you don’t want to have hundreds of thousands of muslim rapist coming to your country and feed and house them! You fascist pig!“
>>220644991media literacy retards will tell you their society is fascist
>>220646788now tell us the meaning of fascist from this or any italian dictionary of 1920s and compare it to what is fascist in modern times
non-whities be like: ayo we made a show we uhh we ain't gonna distribute it anywhere XDthank god im a torrent chad
>>220646896George Orwell called out the fact fascist was a buzzword even in his day, and communists kept calling him one because he wrote Animal Farm making fun of themActual fascism had no definition beyond a vague type of socialism, but modern leftists use it to describe anything based or fun
>>220645691>In addition to Italian, Mussolini spoke English, French, and sufficient German to dispense with an interpreter.
>>220644991there's this movie, who wanted to prove that nazis are le bad, you know? ending with people finding nazis are the good guys, just by watching this movie...
>>220647170>Actual fascism had no definition beyond a vague type of socialism, but modern leftists use it to describe anything based or funtrue. anything besides anarcho-communism is called fascism these days
>>220645691>i saw his peepee it was extra small for realz!!!!!
>>220645513I never understood this. Communism is supposed to be about uplifting the working class, right? How the fuck does that work when you're not allowed to own anything and there's a totalitarian government in charge?No, I'm not gonna read Marx's manifesto.
>>220647280Marx was a retard who thought he was building on the work of Hegel, except Hegel would despise the idea that only economics matters.The idea was a capitalist owns the means of creating wealth, so the people would take control of it and share it and the government was simply a means of using force to achieve this, however they wouldn't call it a government it would just be a small commitee of people (aka a totalitarian government).Ironically Marx was funded by Engels, a private landlord
Can we get some discussion of the show in the thread about the show
>>220644991>MAKE-A ITALY GREAT-A AGAIN-A
>>220644991That they cast this sickly looking spaghetti-beta you know it's going to be trash
>>220647280communism is higher wages for the peoples you dont need to own anything when ur wages are high you can reach eudaimonia aka the final stage of marxism directly
I dropped it halfway in. Was recommended by people who usually have good taste, but I dunno. I found it underwhelming.
>>220647280in communist states you had "personal property" and "collective property", instead of "private property".>what's the difference?Personal is anything a person uses for life (food, a phone, a bike) - this property is allowed.Collective property is mandatory for everything that is not personal: every factory, every field, every mine - this property is to be administered by the workers within the structure.The Socialist state targets any threat to these kinds of property, and ensures they are administered following the rules and regulations of a socialist society, much like the Capitalist state targets any threat to private property and ensures they are administered following the rules and regulations of the market.The capitalist state punishes things like theft, insider trading, fraud. The socialist state punishes the usage of goods that doesn't benefit the whole ("Wrecking") and other such things.
>>220647468>to be administered by the workers within the structureIn theory, however Marx did note there would need to be a special committee dedicated to this, which becomes a few facto stateHis ideology falls apart very quickly when you start asking how things work
>>220647468You would have to be still in highschool to think having the right to own your own iPhone is a good trade off against owning land, your own house and business
Chuds would love communism. All communist states transformed into dictatorships that were socially conservative and nationalistic. They also all complained about western degeneracy.
>>220647536Marx can't seriously provide a blueprint for a non-capitalist society, he knew nothing of administration and law - socialist countries had to wing it and everyone made up their own weird soup.This doesn't mean the Soviet Union or China or Viet Nam never worked well, it means they essentially had to solve every practical issue from scratch
>>220647280In the case with the Soviet Union the idea was they had to be authoritarian because they were surrounded by fascist and capitalist nations that did not want to see communism become a thing. Stalin was also a humongous dick.The one thing commies love more than fighting facists are fighting other communists for either being too communists or not communist enough.
>>220647595You don't understand your supposed opponents world view at all, embarrassing.
>>220647660It's basically rich people, science, art and women. Outside of the last one it's basically communism.
>>220647170>Actual fascism had no definition beyond a vague type of socialismIt's totalitarian (nothing outside of the state, everything within the state) civic nationalist syndicalism built off of a philosophical background of actual idealism (hegelianism)
>>220646896>fascism>Francoism, Pinochet, Greek juntagoober alert. Fascism isn't just "autocracy" goofball, if it was you could come up with a lot more than these three examples.
>Mussolini walking down a busy street >Accidentally bumps into a guy who drops all his papers>Mussolini helps him, looks at the papers>They're all architectural and landscape paintings>Mussolini chuckles and says "these are alright kid, but I can tell you're gonna do great things with your life">Guy looks up and says "danke"Seemed kind of out of place since the rest of the series was so good but this was just a little too on the nose
>>220648811Which episode?
>>220644991it's surprisingly not that bad, especially since you know the good guy is winning, at least as far as the time period the show covers.
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>>220647280No it's about forcing all of them at the lowest common denominator of homogenized misery, while you are "more equal than them"
>>220647562>>220649098this is not what was written in some marxist book, it's how it worked for 60 years in the Soviet Union, and although I'm not sure it's still how it works in China today as well
>>220647320>>220647330>>220647348>>220647366Why is everything grey-yellow?
>>220647359>Marx was a retardt. some nobody on the internet regurgitating another persons opinions
>>220647966Thats not totalitarianism, it's just socialism
>>220649131It's meant to resemble the expressionist filmmaking and Italian Futurism art styles of the time
>>220649191Marx was a retard, thankfully his handler (Engels) was a genius (and a dashing gentleman)
>>220649125In china you get cases when they respect someone's personal property enough to build a highway around his house but still make it because the highway is collective property
>>220649294>thankfully his handler (Engels) was a genius (and a dashing gentleman)Also a factory owner who raped his 13 year old girl employees
>>220649191Nice argument, bootlicker. Weird you started projecting about other peoples opinions thoughMarx was a retard, he didn't understand Hegel or economics
>>220649344he owned nothing, the actual owner payed him an allowance to pretend to work and fuck off as far away as possible>rapedEngels was loved by all and seen as attractive, she probably asked for it
>>220649344Holy fuck.
>>220647562>owning land, your own houseIsnt that owned by the gov at the end of the day?
>>220644991>Is the whole show this goodyes its incredibly consistent all the way throughits just like a very long film
>>220649234next question would be: why does anything made nowadays resemble the expressionist filmmaking and Italian Futurism art styles of the time?
>>220647280>explain this thing to me>no I won't read about it myselfgoyim mindset
>>220645513communism is not autoritarian, as matter of the fact intellectuals during communism debated and opposed authoritarian oligarchisms who used the comunism label.
>>220651238so they were retarded, it's impossible to apply what they wanted without authoritarianism
>>220651238The purpose of a system is what it does.
>>220645012>we dindu nuffin
>>220644991it's forced kino
>>220647280>How the fuck does that work when you're not allowed to own anything and there's a totalitarian government in charge?It rather laughably suggests that a few people at the top that serve the people and are voted by the people, have everybody's best interests in mindIt also supposes that diverting all assets into crushing opposition is somehow magically going to be converted into a utopian maintaining entity when all opposition is crushed
>>220645691>dictatorDictators get deposed and arrested by the kings ruling over them? Or is that just another buzzword?
MVSSOLINI mentioned
>>220649125>it's how it worked for 60 years in the Soviet Union... And chinaAh yes>Lie to the people>Confiscate land from farmers who have tilled the land for centuries and put it under management of some asskisserChina diD retarded shit like murder all the "flying vermin" and had a locust plague Russia lied to everyone that they had radioactive airborne waste actively ejaculating out of ChernobylCommunism doesnt work because it puts zero value in negativity and actively avoids making or acknowledging mistakes, which is incredibly dangerous for meaningful social progress and incredibly dangerous in STEM
>>220652355I'm not really phased by the failures of communism, every country every government is capable of lying to and fucking their own people, not that that disproves what you said, I'm just sayin'
>>220652444It's not the failures I'm worried aboutIt's the blatant non acknowledgement of them or refusal to permit them that I don't like
>>220645009>>220645012Who cares? They made Mussolini and fascism look awesome. God knows why that makes you cuckold conservatives scurry out of your nests to moan about them not including scenes of him hugging puppies and proclaim his undying loyalty to the state of Israel.
>>220652355communism brought Russia from feudalism to first nation in space and on Venus and second strongest nation in the world, and China as the best economy in the world.>but Western propaganda says they killed le people!oh no! Not the poor innocent people without le freedom!
>>220645513Leftists HATE when you point out that fascism is just an evolved form of socialism, arguably the first historical example of a post socialist ideology.
>>220649125>I'm not sure it's still how it works in China today as wellChina is literally just doing fascism but calling it "socialism with Chinese characteristics".
>>220653667>communism brought Russia from feudalism to first nation in space It's genuinely embarrassing when people say dumb shit like this. I'm being serious you should feel embarrassed.
>>220644991It's great but a little repetitive at times. Reminded me a little of a stage play, not just with the fun over the top performances but also the sense that we're never really gonna leave the small sets
>>220645691Just read A Farewell To Arms. Hemingway is God, obviously. Fuck all you seething worms LARPing as puffed up Italian fascists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSXketmKyAYMussolini was spitting here
>>220644991You know Look Who's Back? Just like that, it supposedly tries to paint fascism as bad but just makes it look cool.It does portray Mussolini as a politician over an idealist, but that's not an incorrect portrayal, Mussolini definitely threw many truer fascists under the bus to get ahead.It's *extremely* well acted and absolutely worth watching. The guy portraying Mussolini, in particular, is great.
I stood up, shouted eia eia alala, and clapped every time D'Annunzio and Marinetti were on screen.
I think murdering your political rivals is bad.
Blackshirts scenes were pure kinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB1YAsxETqs
>>220644991I enjoyed it, though I'm a sucker for period pieces, especially 1920s-30s. Though for what it's worth, Duce himself wasn't really all that likeable or inspiring. It/he is presented as such from the outset, but he or the actor just isn't able to sell it. And I don't mean from the perspective of his politics, but simply the man himself isn't charming or charismatic enough to win your favor (if not your allegiance) even though he's a right bastard. And given the subject material, you kind of need that I think.
