2nd Wilderness edition
>>221064268it's for the best
>>221064268After burning the show to the ground, RTD has heroically abandoned it and now it has no future at all. RTD, you've done it again.
>>221064268MURDERBLOODY MURDER
>>221064296it's for the zest
>>221064268>I wonder why it died...
>>221064268So basically it's for sale to the highest bidder eh? I'll give them half a cheese sandwich and some used toilet paper.
Top fucking kek at all the fags whining for years for RTD to come back despite the fact they were warned he’s always been a shit writer and would bury the show in his second tenure. Be careful what you wish for.
>>221064268>The final image of Doctor Who Hahahahaha
>>221064268Can we have the real Davros back now
Was inevitable, would have happened years ago if disney hadn't given them money.
>>221064375
So, uh. I basically stopped watching this after the david tennant season. Only a little bit on and off with Matt Smith, and then the pilot with peter capaldi.Is it even remotely worth trying to get back into, and if so what parts can I skip?
>>221064375if the show does get picked up again, nobody is going to touch this. another broken link in the regeneration cycle
>>221064268>Classic Who>>Dignified end with a romantic quote about further adventures and that our best days are ahead of us>NuWho>>A nostalgia wank regeneration signifying our best days are behind usLovely.
>>221064375>Billie Piper's bogged face poorly photoshopped over the body of a gay black man, in an attempt to generate some interest in the showThis is unironically the perfect ending for the show
>>221064268Good. They fucked it up beyond repair. Take a decade or two to reflect on how that´s even possible.
>>221064268We joked about because we knew it was possible. Then they actually did it. Now its destroyed and sitting out in a front lawn yard sale
>>221064268It's heartwarming to know that Ncuti Gatwa and Russell T Davies murdered this show without mercy or regret. The death of Doctor Who will always be their legacy.
>>221064417Capaldi's first season (7) and his second season (8) are good to watch. Then maybe just skip to the final episodes of Season 10
DW Twitter spent the past few weeks huffing the copium and managed to convince themselves that the Christmas special was not only going ahead, but had been filmed in secret with David Tennant and the Daleks. You’ve got to laugh…
>>221064356>some used toilet paper.They already have plenty of RTD's scripts
RTD's statement is very insulting
Damn, Tom Baker really did outlive it.
>>221064439
>>221064471Based Big Tom
>>221064440He brought it back to life and in the end he took its life back. Poetic really, better writing than his entire second tenure.
>>221064428sad but true
>“And so GOODBYE from me to Doctor Who” — Russell T Davies Arrogant till the end.
>>221064488It was AIDS
>>221064492mf still acting like he didn't systematically murder the show for his own personal fantasy
>Two outcomes>Either the show is off the air indefinitely >Or they do a soft/hard reboot ignoring all the Timeless Child shit We win either way
>>221064317>comes back>makes it his own gay fantasy playground>make a bogged Rose the new Doctor giving the next person no where to go>collects his check>leavesI kinda respect it
>>221064317Who will be the first previous Doctor Who (not including Eccleston) to publicly criticise him?
If the show ever comes back (big if) Rose-Doctor will just be ignored like when 8 said he was half human
>>221064539Easily Gatwa, he'll probably call RTD a racist too
>>221064492Motherfucker is the Dave Filoni of Who. Smug piece of shit.
>>221064465>And so GOODBYE from me to Doctor Who but HELLO to a big new future for the show, as the BBC announces it’s putting the show out to tender. As a result, there won’t be a Christmas Special - we only cooked that up to guarantee a future when no one knew what would happen, but now we do know, there’s no need for it. You’ll have to wait a bit longer for new Doctor Who… but you’ll be waiting for MORE Doctor Who than a one-off.>So it’s worth it! For the record: there was no script, I never wrote it, and no actor was ever approached to play the next Doctor. You may disagree; fine, sit in that chair and wait to be proved right. You’ll wait a lonnng time Now I’m as excited as anyone to see what comes next! Will they keep the theme tune? Will they lose the blue box? Will they bring back the Drahvin?! It’s all up for grabs, which is so Doctor Who, exciting and unpredictable and new! Here comes the future, vworp vworpJesus you weren't kidding. What a cunt
>>221064488> We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it
>>221064268Holy shit, it's so fucking over.
>>221064417i kept watching through capaldi until clara (coleman) left the show. it was already feeling a bit childish to me at that point since i had already moved away for college but she was really hot so i kep watching for her. anyway it goes full gender non binary queer after that so that's probably as late as anyone normal should watch
>>221064574motherfucker's writing has gotten so bad its bled into the way he actually talks
>>221064574he's so up his own arse it's unbelievable
you know what, i' saying it. Chibnall is no longer the worst showrunner.
>>221064574Kek what an insufferable cunt.>I fucked the show>I screwed it with my fag agenda>I put Rose in last minute for fun>didn’t write a script and had nobody lined up lol >bye!
>>221064585>Still using a photo of David Tennant Kek
so how do we feel about the finale of a 63 year old show being The Reality War?
>>221064527Or they find an even more pozzed writer to drag the show further through the mudNever underestimate the BBC's ability to sell off every shred of dignity
>>221064602Chinballs was never as bad as RTD2, RTD2 was like a kamikaze pilot his entire run was a sabotage
>>221064268
When the show needed him the most, he returns
>>221064574so the christmas special was investor fraud? lmaohe's admitting that no one in production did any work on creating that episode and it was just to inflate the value of the show when trying to sell it
>>221064574This reads like Willy Loman trying to convince you he's still important and [insert disaster here] is a temporary setback and/or part of the plan.
>>221064574>you must forgive the finale. I wrote no continuation on purpose as a joke
>>221064607holy BASED
did RTD intentionally kill the show as a 4D chess move or is he actually just a total retard? question of the century
>>221064680he seems to genuinely believe this show is his to do with as he pleases
>>221064637Yeah but "investor fraud" sounds so negative, let's call it "investor fantasy"
>>221064680Total retard. His fag husband dying + TDS broke his brain, and he went into his second run as showrunner convinced of the narrative that "People only hate the Chibnall era because it's progressive" and tripled down.
ok so 7 Doctors is the limit per run. now we know
>>221064530It's quite the hatchet job alright. For me, it's the way he salted the earth to remove any possibility of a future.
>>221064633>The Girl Who Never Was>Lucie Miller/To the Death>Dark Eyes 1Pick your ending
>>221064680He's husband dying drove him insane. His whole second era is written as a responce to that (death being killed, the obsession with children and having a family). But he's also been living in a LGBTQ bubble for decades so he assumes everyone apart from Gaz down the pub, agrees with him (he thought casting Gatwa would be a slamdunk)
Restart Torchwood after coming up with some explanation for why the American season didn't actually happen. Leave the main Doctor Who property on the shelf for a decade or so. If there really needs to be more than one show, bring back the Sarah Jane Adventures but during her younger years so there's no need to go robbing any graves. That show was youth focused so there won't be too many upset over recasting Elisabeth Sladen.
>>221064775Just leave it, son. We all have a time to go.
>>221064633Storm Warning to Zagreus: the TV specials
>>221064602Chibnall put the show on life support, but I still think it could’ve been saved in 2022 if whoever replaced him was willing to make the right changes. Instead, we got Davies, who decided to smother it with a pillow.
>>221064425What are you talking about? NuWho ended here.
Maybe that wheelchair fella on YouTube can bring it back in 10 years
Stopped watching during Moffats early years. Simple as
>>221064621Truly Omega was
>>221064680I think he genuinely believed he was the only one worthy of running the show. He probably barerly watched Moffat and Chinnballs stuff because it wasnt real Who in his eyes and decided to burn it all down so no one else can take over
>>221064792TAKE ME BACK
>>221064268I saw all Whofags dancing and cheering RTD's return. I just held off and waited. Turns out I was right to do that. The guy isn't the same writer he was before social media fully took off. Almost no politically-wound up writer, left or right, is these days. They're addicted to social media's political arena like everyone else, and it's fucked with their ability to be subtle.
Do you think JMS is knocking on the BBC's door asking if he can have a turn please like he did after Chibnall left?
>>221064792>"I know they'll get it all wrong without me"Capaldi's actual ending seem even funnier in hindsight
>>221064775Leave her, anon, leave herOh leave her, anon, leave herFor the soul’s long gone and the writers blowand it’s time for us to leave her
>>221064792Im so glad I checked out of the show after this.Watched one Jodie episode and it felt uncanny valley like
>>221064817
There is no getting away from the fact that Doctor Who inspires fanaticism is hard lefties and trannies who’ll always take it over and turn it to shit.
>>221064792I remember thinking my dislike of Smith was just hating new things, but Capaldi's peaks are some of my favorites ever.
>>221064792https://archive.org/details/doctor-who-unwoke-s-10e-13-thirteenShow ended here
So Who is dead once again?Something tells me there won't be any silly songs asking to bring it back this time around. What it turned into was absolutely fucking insufferable, I couldn't even stomach watching anything after Capaldi.What a fucking shitshow.
>>221064574Just exposes how little he cares about the series these days. Easy to conclude it was a vehicle for his hang ups and little more.
The future of DW rests on the success of the cbeebies show.
>It's the end, but the moment has been prepared forMoffat dumps a bag of flour over his head and walks out
I'm starting to think that making the Doctor a woman and a zesty black guy was a mistake
>>221064922Its clearly the sexist and racist fans that are the fault
>>221064917Moffat would also be shit and he'd tarnish his legacy like RTD did if he tried. He should stay away.
>>221064330Aye
>Outlives NuWho in youre path
>>221064799Same here, just a bit later. I didn't even like where Moffat's run was going with Missy, and jumping ship then was one of the best decisions I've ever made with Chibnall and then RTD2 somehow being orders of magnitude worse.
>>221064955Jenkins. Chap with the skirt there. Five rounds rapid.
>>221064922Writing was just rubbish. Saying it flopped JUST because of woman or ethnicity makes you sound like one of them. >"only reason my shit film flopped is cause they hate gays!"Nah. It was just terrible all round. Please stop adopting their mentalities.
>>221064953Nah. Moffat would get progressively woker but he would never flat out ruin the show. Moffat genuinely loves Doctor Who and understands it on a deeper level than any of his contemporaries.
damn just as i finnish up rewatching modern who, the show dies
>>221064992>it flopped JUST because of woman or ethnicityWhere's the lie? No one wanted to watch a zesty nigga play a Victorian time traveler.
>>221065007This is your fault.
>>221064992Previous Doctor Whos could carry poor writing. But Jodie couldn't because she was miscast in the role
>>221064439Maybe for 20 dollars, but no more than that
>>221065002If Moffat came back he'd just write as bad as he did for Twice Upon a Time. He has no gas left in the tank either, no way could he do as bad as RTD2 was but it still wouldn't be good.
>>221064574
>>221065025I would watch Jodie if they actually allowed her to be sexy, instead of trying to desexualise her as much as possible.
Mrs Brown’s Boys has outlived NuWho
>>221064268How long until he casts himself as the official Big Finish Doctor?
Why don't the BBC make DW?
>>221064268So dramatic... but all fans know this show´s been dead for years. It´s been literally like a decade since Capaldi and we all know it was never the same show after he and Moffat left. Be it because of Chibnal, Jody or the BBC suits and agenda the truth is that, for most of us, it´s been almost a decade without the show.
>>221065038See, if I were showrunner for Jodie I'd just have her flash her tits every episode, scissor Yaz, and get her naked for the grand finale and Doctor Who wouldn't have crashed and burned like it did.Simple as.
The shit has been dead since the non-binary episode
>>221064268>The sad truth is that the cancellation is probably wise. The Season 15 regeneration felt like more of a gimmick than a solid narrative choice, and this Christmas Special was always going to struggle to land well. Davies’ entire approach – banking on nostalgia and deep lore as a draw – has failed, and that regeneration scene left the special no choice but to continue down that path. There was a real danger that we’d wind up with the worst of all possible worlds; a single isolated special that failed to perform, leaving the series’ future in an even worse condition.>The press statement aligns with comments from the BBC’s Director of Drama, Lindsay Salt, back in February. She committed the BBC to Doctor Who‘s future, but insisted the main concern was a sustainable funding model. The BBC finances are currently under heavy scrutiny, with entirely different funding models openly being discussed with the government; Doctor Who is expensive, meaning the BBC cannot afford this on its own. We know other streamers have been interested – Netflix openly want to work on more BBC shows – so a competitive tender does make sense.>The difficult question, of course, is where the show goes from here. Davies intended that regeneration scene as a dramatic, controversial hook that would reignite interest in Doctor Who. Instead, it’s become something of a millstone around the show’s neck, dragging it down; because it means any future series must deal with that cliffhanger. For the first time in Doctor Who‘s 63-year history, it’s easy to see why a Doctor Who reboot of some kind may actually make sense.
>RTD: I’ve got a script that left BBC execs jaws agape >Also RTD: there never was a script. See ya!What did he mean by this?
Why is it hard to find good writers?
>>221065079What could have been....
>>221065096It was just fraud
>>221065096Its called investor fraud and RTD should now face unironic prosecution.
>>221065097Well, it's the BBC innit
next doctor should be an anime lesbian
>>221065130How about a cartoon turd?
>>221065134we already had Gatwa and turned him into a cartoon
show died with peter
>>221064375Were they planning on making Billie Piper a part of the series again? That’s confusing. If I had to produce the encyclopedia for DW from Jodi onward I’m not sure I could because of gobbledygook and throwbacks.My senpai asks me when they are bringing the show back, and I keep saying, I don’t know. I have told them it’s dead repeatedly, when they were making new eps with the ncuti, and I was not wrong.
>>221064268At this point I'd take Moffat coming back for 1 special just to unfuck it then put it on hiatus.Why end the show on Russell's mistake?
>>221064417You could finish with Peter Capaldi or watch more Smith episodes. I cant say its worth going after that.
>>221065171So Doctor Who fans can reflect on the terrible decisions made for the next decade or so
How will this affect RTD's career going forward? Fumbling this bad, especially forcing the BBC to cancel an announced Christmas special is likely to be a massive black mark on your record.
Is there NOTHING good after Capaldi?
A decade ago I was worried the show was gonna get cancelled, now I feel relieved
>>221065045Brutal
So presumably we'll get Dimensions in Time 2 for the 70th Anniversary
>>221064268Thank you merciful god.Woke is dead.
>>221065195
>>221065192RTD doesn't give a fuck he'll keep making shows about fags until he dies
>>221065038Its kind of worse than that, they didn’t give her much to do in the stories except police everyone. And she has plot armor, barely ever in danger. Then written kind of withdrawn. Then she’d be wacky. Pretty crappy.
>>221065192His career will be dead when all the young boys he's buggered go to the cops.
Ending with Billie Piper cliffhanger is brilliant as no future showrunner in the next few years will be ever able to follow up on it.They will have to start afresh. The BEST way to do this (but probably not the way that will happen) is to go back to an alternate thirteenth Doctor and pretend everything since 2017 never happened.
Do you think this guy thought he'd get cast as the next Doctor?
did u guys like male presenting time lord?
>>221065079We could have had more of this!
Once again Briggs is gonna have to clean up the BBC's mess.
When the last Jodi episodes were airing, id come here and there were no DW generals or episode discussion thread. Nobody posted anything it was real dead
>>221065224The character is completely fucked now. They need to do a hard reboot, if they don't they'll have to address things like The Timeless Child, the Doctor’s age, if the Time Lords are dead or not, what number incarnation etc. And as soon as they start addressing this stuff, then it becomes unwatchable fanwank.
>>221065227Not again
>Timeless child>Genocide the timelords again>Flux>Billie Piper>14 and 15These are the key things you're gonna need to retcon or outright erase to fix the show. At that point you just hard reboot.Let it be known. Doctor Who ended on a man fucking a fish.
>>221064417I was you. Series 7, 8, 9 Peter Capaldi all the way, like others said. After the silliness of Matt Smith, there was a semi-seriousness brought back when Capaldi started. That atmosphere lasts until the first few episodes of Series 10, briefly comes back for the 2023 Tennant special Wild Blue Yonder, then disappears forever.
>>221065259at the end of Chibnall it was just depressing but at the end of RTD2 its depressing and comical
>>221064268Wow, on my birthday! Thanks Rusty!
>doctor who gone>star trek gone>star gate cancelled cause amazon sucks what the fuck should i watch now?
>>221065259I checked out the first few episodes of Jodie thinking I could catch up later, then hearing about the timeless child shit I lost motivation to ever watch the show again.I imagine im not the only one
>>221065301Nothing. Culture died when AI emerged in 2022 if you ask me, its all necromancy and trash from here on out.
>>221065301it's over
>>221065227>RUSTY NO! NOT MY BUMHOLE!Well at least he made it onto the show. Bet his arse hurts though.
>>221065259That was largely due to a retarded schizo spamming inane garbage in the generals to be fair, so everyone just left
>Carole Ann Ford wants to come back to the show for ages>Russell finally brings her back>Cuts majority of her scenes>Cuts her entire plot line>Throws in Billie Piper instead>Scraps all future seasons.Feel bad for the woman, especially knowing she's likely to kick it before the show even comes back.
>>221065259To be fair, Jodie wasn't canon
So yeah this confirms RTD had zero plan for Billie DoctorSo everyone pissing themselves over whether she actually was the Sixteenth Doctor were doing that for no reason, as there's literally no answer
>>221065365>the last time Susan appears is begging the Doctor to stop torturing a guy and who he refuses to listen tobleak
The Tardis wiki having a meltdown over it LOLhttps://tardis.wiki/wiki/Talk:2026_Christmas_Special_(unproduced_TV_story)
>>221065312Don't worry, RTD has assured us that the Doctor will not only kill all AI prompters but do so in the most terrifying and humiliating way possible while grinning and laughing and dancing about it.
maybe the real /who/ was the friends we made along the way
>>221065377Makes a hard reboot more likely if the show ever returns, though
>>221065224I think you'd have to have the Doctor never refer to his past between Capaldi and now, or anything touching on the Timeless Child>>221065195It was nice to see Wilf again briefly, but even the filming might have killed Cribbins a little before his time
>>221065365Tough luck whore>>221065377Damn right
>>221064268Haha, more like doctor who cares!
Will RTD finally surpass John Nathan-Turner's negative rep in the fandom?
>>221065227Too busy bumming twinks to write a decent series
>>221065458JNT did fucking nothing wrong and shouldn't even be in the same breathe as Chibnall or RTD2. Dude got fucked over by Michael Grade but kept the show going and ended the show with dignity. Justice for my mans.
>>221064268Thank you so much for your endless toxicity and gatekeeping.RTD has officially left the show and I honestly don't blame him. You have been continuously awful for a long time, and basically all because your Daddy Moffat isn't the showrunner anymore. And now look what has happened. There isn't any Christmas Special on the way and right now no one is in charge.I read RTD's post on the matter and I was genuinely heartbroken reading it. because unlike you lot, I can actually see that, despite the hardships of this new era and a few admittedly bizarre decisions, RTD didn't actively go out of his way destroy the franchise. In fact, there were so many episodes from this new era that were genuinely brilliant, and it's blatantly obvious most of the fault lies with Disney, for not securing the show's future and taking ages to make decisions that, as we know, had detrimental consequences.But instead of being supportive fans, all you lot did was send RTD hateful messages on social media (which he does read btw). Continued to make incredibly stupid jokes like "Haha lol he cries at everything," "Giant CGI monsters lmfao," and "TWATBLAST." And insulted and belittled any fans who informed you that you might need to calm the hell down.So well done everyone. You did this, and you know what? You deserve your fate. You couldn't be happy with a Doctor Who without your Scottish God at the helm, and now it's gone completely. It is probably for the best though, because you were just going to hate whoever was going to be in charge going forwards, and potentially drive them away with a barrage of toxicity, just like you did to everyone else.You were all practically salivating at the idea of another Wilderness Years, and now you've got one, potentially permanently. So enjoy it.
>>221065409>The Doctor's delight in Alan's horrific death>The Doctor enjoys torturing KidZesty nigga had a weird mean streak to him.
Reminder that J. Michael Straczynski has been begging for the showrunner job, and the only reason he never got it is because Davies put in a seething phone call to the BBC frothing at the mouth at the idea of an American writing for the show
>>221065486-1/10 ragebait, better writing than RTD2
I know this isn't a popular opinion but I thought Ncuti could've been great if it wasn't for rtd, he literally made him act more gay on camera for his own personal fetish
>>221065486>TWATBLAST
>>221065489>"Straight white males deserve pain and suffering"Oh thanks Doctor Who
>>221065489He didn't like white men, his inner Karmelo Anthony occasionally came out
>>221065493Nobody actually wants this guy running the show except old people
>Timeless child still canon>Mavity>14 chilling in Donna's backyard >16 is Billie Piper>Susan gets a weird cameo with no follow up>Two Rani's>The Master is still a tooth>Time Lords gone againSave me Briggs. Save me Moffat. Save me anyone with a plan.
>>221065564>Save me Moffat.You niggas sound like the goyims that thought RTD was going to save the show did you even see Twice Upon a Time
>>221065564I have a plan :)
Reminder if Moffat had been the showrunner under the Disney deal the show would be one of the biggest shows on TV right now
>>221065486Hi RustyThanks for everything. I especially loved that one episode where... um... well... nevermind
>>221065584>did you even see Twice Upon a TimeI did and it was still miles better than the majority of RTD1 and all of RTD2.
>>221065621Yep
>>221064268This is because it wasn't enough like a children's show. Should have had more goblins and episodes like Space Babies.Oh well now we can retcon everything after Smith left
>>221065621>and all of RTD2The shit I took this morning was better than RTD2 if thats the metric we're using
>>221065486MOFFCHADS WE WON
>>221065621RoseBad WolfParting of the WaysThese are the only rtd stories I don't actively hate.
>>221064417Just go up until the end of Smith and you're fine
>>221065486>But instead of being supportive fans, all you lot did was send RTD hateful messages on social media (which he does read btw)RTD is that you?
>>221065584TUAT was a phoned in episode Moffat didn't even want to make he only did because Chibs wouldn't do a Christmas special that year. You can tell he was exhausted after having spent two years trying to quit the show. He still wrote one of the best episodes of the show literally one episode prior, and wrote two of the best episodes of RTD2.
>>221065423I wonder if it will go through the same cycle that lead to the 1996 special where it's made by an American studio with American actors as a backdoor pilot
What a sorry goddamn mess.
>Yes, yes, I know. They'll get it all wrong without me.
>>221065668>RTD is that you?Depends. Are you a 14 year old boy?
>>221065676No this is the 21st century it will be brought back with AI to save on human labour
now what do we do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ege9lQecazo
Which Classic serial are you watching to celebrate?
>>221065621TwaT was a mediocre episode and that still makes it better than 95% of the dreck that came after it. The true finale of NuWho is The Doctor Falls, and no episode since that has come even close.
>>221064602Chibnall was just RTD2 before RTD2RTD1.5
>>221065692We accept Moffat was the peak of nu-who and that the show should've ended with Jodie's first season at the latest.
>>221065682Him and Moffat knew what was coming
>>221065700You have to rewatch Survival surely, it actually let the show end with dignity unlike RTD2's rectal fluid of an ending
I met a traveller from an antique landWho said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stoneStand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,Tell that its sculptor well those passions readWhich yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:And on the pedestal these words appear:"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"Nothing beside remains. Round the decayOf that colossal wreck, boundless and bareThe lone and level sands stretch far away.
>>221065700
With Russell killing the show and leaving, the only current Doctor getting new content produced (ignoring Big Finish) is Ruth.In the end, the Black Queen stands on top.
It's time for /v/ideo games to revive the IP.
>>221065744>the only current Doctor getting new content produced (ignoring Big Finish) is Ruthno anon we still have the cebeebies spin off coming
I knew this was coming as soon as The Star Beast aired. And if you didn't see it coming, I question your faculties and pattern recognition ability.Hope Russell never finds work again.
>>221065744unironically a better Doctor than either Jodie or Gatwa and that's mainly because they didn't fag her up like those two
>>221065158>planninganon
>>221064744Yeah, even a full reboot won't be able to save it at this point
>>221065754the way Tenshit delivers that line is very annoying. even annoys me on a mute .webm
>>221065747Full on modern Elder Scrolls style CRPG coming SOON for the switch two
>>221065744Does this mean we gotta discuss Circuit Breaker now?
>>221065195We got David Tennant, Donna, and Rose back!
>>221065754
>>221065750>the cebeebies spin off comingI wonder who is the Doctor for that. You'd assume Tennant but he's probably too busy. Jodie seems like she's got the least going on
reminder that David Tennant, the most popular modern Doctor, was brought back into the show just so he could become homosexual and could lecture the audience about how the Doctor is now both male and femalereminder that Donna Noble, one of the most fondly remembered modern characters, was brought back into the show just so she could have a trans son/daughter and so the transness of her son/daughter could be the plot resolution of an episodereminder that the Doctor is no longer the Doctor - previously one version of the character 'regenerated' into the next one thereby remaining the same man underneath, but showrunner Russell Davies has split the Doctor into two versions and effectively cloned him as part of some bizarre gay fantasy re-renactmentreminder that the Doctor went from a dignified but eccentric and anachronistic gentleman explorer into webm related, a trendy zoomer who dances with some rizz at a sweaty techno rave in a dodgy manchester nightclub desperate to get dicked downare the BBC really surprised nobody wants to watch this shit? rest in piss
>>221065744i would uniroinically watch a dctor who series starring her but the BBC is too near sighted to even try it
>>221065754I dunno, they could've salvaged it if Ncuti's run had worked as a solid jumping on point with a clear direction. The Star Beast and the 60th ws just meant to be an event to get back British viewers but it was disconnected from Ncuti enough that it couldn't poison the well.It was The Church on Ruby Road that killed it, not even because it was awful, but it needed to be amazing if it was going to onboard viewers, and it wasn't. Space Babies may have genuinely been one of the worst decisions RTD ever made but honestly, I doubt most viewers even made it that far.
>>221065754if Donna had a kid, wouldn't she be like 13 years old at this point?
>>221065279>Doctor Who ended on a man fucking a fishOh god it did
>hasn't watched the show and doesn't know shit about the character>thinks playing the Doctor means being a horny 18 year old guy dude from Soho>in shrugworthy or trash episodes in a Disney era that won't be remembered for anything good>in half those episodes he's just straight up not even there>most memorable traits will be being black, being gay, crying a lot, and generally acting like Auton Mickey>no gravitas, no subtlety, no sense of age or wisdomNcuti is the worst Doctor by far, so far.
>>221065803woke messaging aside Tennant's comeback could have easily led to a revival of the show if the follow-up to it wasn't utterly abysmal dogshit
>>221065754Uhhh but ackshullay anon, Doctor Who was ALWAYS like that. You're just a gammon chud grifter incel if you think otherwise.
>>221065818he isn't really even the Doctor since he didn't get a true regeneration, he's more like the homunculi Doctor birthed out of a test tube of the his semen
Honestly, I'm relieved.
>>221065754>>221065784TROONBANGERSSWEATY GAY BLACK MEN WEARING SKIRTSIT'S FUCKING GENIUSoh wait no it isn't
>>221065818>generally acting like Auton Mickey I kek'd
>>221064444nice quads. however you got the numbering wrong. capaldi's seasons are 8 to 10 inclusive.
>>221065279>Doctor Who ended on a man fucking a fish.qrd?
So now Russell's been fired and are on BBC's shitlist. When will the NDA's about why Millie Gibson's role got downgraded get broken? Even better yet, how's Eccleston taking the news?
>>221065859The War Between Land and Sea or whatever it was called
David Trannant fucking sucks, why do boardies love him so much?
>there's people itt who think rtd1 was 'actually good'couldn't be me
So finally, after all these years, you can stop coping. You don't have to cite over-inflated fake numbers anymore. You can finally admit that, even if you liked it, the show completely went to shit.
>>221065486That was quite an articulate outburst there anon. Hope you're doing okay.
>>221065861Eccleston's having a good day today but he's already vindicated for the past two years after RTD2 began and everyone with eyes realised he was washed
>>221065859The Sea Devil's spinoff had the main character fall in love with a hermaphrodite fish, bang her, gain the ability to breathe underwater and then live with her in the ocean after big tech genocide 99% of her people.
>>221065867Oh god I forgot about that crap
>>221065882Yup, ever since Smith left.
>>221065874Just because RTD2 is retardation overload doesn't mean RTD1 wasn't pretty good, revisionist bullshit come on
>>221065897>Sea Devil's spinoffhaha
>>221065897I love happy endings
>>221065815>>221065867Episode was literally titled "The Deep" too
>>221065588he already ruined it when undoing the doctor destroying gallifrey, that undermined the continuity of the character and set the stage for all the madness that would follow
Wilderness 2 lets gooo
>>221065917you were just youngand still retarded
The actual final scene of Nu-Who everyone. The Brigadier's Granddaughter pulling a gun on a guy because he littered, while she's having a mental breakdown.
>>221065819Bringing back a previous actor and calling it a new incarnation was something the show always avoided doing, and it was never going to work out. It was an admission of weakness.
>>221064422Just reboot it man, why continue from this shit?
>>221065818
>>221065925fuck off russell >>221065874nuwho was always a mistakeclassic > nu
>>221064518Can AIDS cause degenerative brain conditions? That might explain a few things.
>>221065818>no gravitas, no subtlety, no sense of age or wisdomThis was my main problem with him. Even with a good script I think he would never delivery them as good as the previous Doctors. He only has one range which is flamboyant.
I thought the tranny time lord saved Doctor Who?
>>221065925No it didn't. He did it in a way that felt perfectly in character and closed the loop on the Doctor's time war arc without undoing the character growth. It was killing it again in Spyfall that made things go to shit, and turned the whole existence of Gallifrey into a gag.
>>221065486Did this come from Gallifery Base?
>>221065963This. Even Classic Who's lowest points look like fucking Shakespeare compared to Chinballs and RTDsplooge
It's almost as if...shitting on everything that fans loved about a show...makes ratings go down.Woah. Something to think about there.
>>221066007Fuck off Russell Tranny Davis. The 50th anniversary special was a shitshow that completely ruined the mythos of the time war.
>>221065158As far as anyone can tell Billie had no intention on being the Doctor long term.They're so out of touch, this was an attempt to get audiences engaged again. They actually thought people would pog out at seeing Billie Piper again. Instead people just kind of went "what the fuck? That's stupid". Now they need to explain why the Doctor turned into Billie Piper, and cast a real next Doctor, and somehow turn that into an episode.Anyway. Light reboot coming, hopefully. Just jump an indefinite amount of years forward and hit the ground running, like Eccleston. Never mention any of the stupid storylines of about the past ten years ever again.
How will Briggs resolve the Billie Piper cliffhanger?
Gay nig, and you all know whyIt doesn't even matter how hard he criesKeep dicks in mind, I designed this rhymeTo explain in due time(That I'm gay)Camp is a valuable thingWatch the time fly as the BBC swingsTune in at 3AM at the end of the dayAs the AIDS takes all my mates' lives awayThe show gone right out the backRatings went boom then it went -ACKI'm tryin' to spin-off, didn't even knowthat I wasted it all (just to write gay guff)I kept Ncuti inside me and even though I triedMy show went to shitAndrew gaping me will eventuallyBe a memory of a time whenI TRIED SO HARD AND GOT SO HARDBUT IN THE EEEENDTHE SHOW NEVER EVEN MATTERED
>>221066049Russell "The Faggot" Davies came up with the time war you retard actually he stole it from the 90s novelsMoffat undid it, and he was right to do so
>>221066062Briggs won't want to sully the good name of Big Finish with RTD2's bullshit
>>221066062Bad Wolf resets time and reboots the Doctor's lifetime
>>221065486fuck off, Russel.
>>221066062Billy's willing to do a lot of Big Finish so I imagine it'll be a case of like 8 where the majority of her shit is Big Finish. Then she has a regeneration audio whenever they figure out who's playing next.
>>221066024Even AI knows
>>221064633>2027 McGann is back.>Full season that slowly builds up to a finale set during the time war>Final episode title: The road not taken
I've said for years now that the show needs a soft reboot.Cast a white man, drop him through a hole to another universe where the Doctor doesn't exist and its ambiguous in the first season or two whether Time Lords exist at all, and just start over.Can bring back classic villains at will and ignore all the shitty fucking writing of the last decade and a half
>>221065229I still haven't watched any episodes of RTD2's run because of webms from that first episode.
>>22106606215 wasn't the real Doctor. He was just a copy that eventually becomes the Valeyard. The Doctor's real timelime continues on from the 14 that was still around after the bigeneration. He quickly snapped and tossed Donna's trandaughter into the Eye of Harmony and left on another adventure. The series will pick up several regenerations down the line.
Apologize.
>>221066123>>221066137I cannot sanction this toupee buffoonery
>>221066137For what? Chibnall was the same incestuous BBC-rot as the rest. Absolutely foul company and always has been. Would highly recommend Harry & Paul's Story of the Twos for a mockumentary about how BBC operates
>>221066123Wouldn't even be hard to write a Christmas special around it. Just have something like Autons infiltrating a toy store as a base for their invasion. The Doctor is a mall-santa. Low budget, low stakes. Sure it might feel like a retred of Rose but at this point given the mess Russel's left the show in, he deserves it.
>>221065038Same, she was kinda cute too.
>>221065038She's like 45 years old anon. One day you will have to get over your attraction to your mother, it's sickening
>>221066115I'm so sick of the time war.Considering McGann is also grandad tier at this point, if they ever do bring him back for real, they should make him an alternative Doctor from a timeline where there wasn't a war. New stories, c'mon. No more Daleks doing shooty explosions. It's trite.
>Both gay and over the top>Both written by the same man>But one is likeablehow?
What's he thinking right now?
>>221066108I don't think even Billie Piper wants to flirt with actually being the Doctor especially for a long series of Big Finish stories, she only did the end of Reality War as a favour for RTD
>>221065516He genuinely does seem to care about the show unlike Jodie, he's been at a few conventions this year and was very clearly holding himself back from sperging out like Eccleston when asked about things like how it felt not to face the Daleks. Give it a couple years he'll be shitting on RTD the same way. Off the top of my head a few things he was asked;>How did he feel about never getting a Dalek story?Millie Gibson tried to laugh it off while Ncuti was clearly annoyed>Someone asking about Ruby's ending"I suppose it got wrapped up in a nice... bow... so..." (before looking off stage to someone as if to ask if he can say anything further, bashed his head into the microphone)>Belinda's endingJust started laughing before answering "Poppy's cute so I'm sure Belinda's happy">Someone asking about his costumeSaid he wanted a more defining outfit, suggested a flat cap and tweed jacket that RTD deemed "too boring"
>>221066219Barrowman was a cool 00's gay. It's different.
>>221066219RTD barely wrote Jack. Moffat wrote his debut episodes which shaped what sort of character he was. Chibnall wrote the bulk of Torchwood. Russel only had him for his appearances in Doctor Who and Children of Earth, and while Children of Earth was amazing, it wasn't really like it redefined Jack's character.
>>221066219Jack isn't gay, he's omnisexual. He'll fuck anything that moves and even some things that don't. It's thoroughly played as a jokeNo, I didn't and I won't watch Torchwood
>>221064539Davison
>>221064268SHOWNICE AND DEAD
>>221066209I just think it makes for a good break off point to start aknew and get rid of all the nuwho damage. The timelords aren't all dead and actually win the war, keeping us in the classic framing.
>>221066137why? he's a boring retard
>>221066219One didn't have to be lead rolePeople tolerate the odd gay side-character, it can be good for a laugh, but no straight person actually wants them as a lead role. Even in Torchwood Jack was significantly de-gayed and wasn't even a main character in a lot of episodes, it was more of an ensemble.All you have to do to make a successful show is give people what they want instead of giving them what YOU want and telling them it's the new normal and they have to like it.
>>221066243when Gatwa actually starts unloading on RTD (not in the way RTD wants him to tho) it'll be kino
>>221066267Gwen is the main character of Torchwood.
>>221066267Just saying, Jack got way gayer in Torchwood.
>>221064539Gatwa, or McCoy. But McCoy will do it in your friendly grandpa shade kinda way.Capaldi's too professional to ever comment on it even if he'd likely have words to say.
>>221066259End the 70 year franchise rightly with your pommel
>>221066219Barrowman has charisma. Gatwa was chosen simply because he is a hard-left wog bum-boy.
>>221065229I wonder what the dovtor was thinking in this moment, he just looks befuddled.
>>221066267Torchwood was made for older audiences so they were allowed to get a lot gayer with Jack. and that was a good thing
>>221066281And RTD was bumming him. Would not at all be surprised for him to end up as the British Weinstein
>>221066243Poor bastard had no chance
Never forget what they did to the classic Doctors
>>221066243Are there any videos of his con appearances?
>>221066219BBC actually served as RTD's tard wrangler back in the 2000s instead of giving him free rein
>>221066300They made the Seventh Doctor a fan of fucking Stalin in one novel.
>>221066250And RTD also had Jack in Miracle Day which was a bag of shit
>>221064417I got fatigue towards the end of Matt Smith, but I hear Capaldi got some good episodes.
>>221066300that's the fandom wiki so there's a non-zero chance that quote is just fanfiction
>>221066322RTD only has two writing credits on Miracle Day and one was a co-write.
>>221066330Capaldi himself was pretty good, but the scripts were shite for the most part. His entire first series spends too much time on Clara falling in love with a black man.
>>221066330Capaldi is a prime example of a good character and actor carrying the show through bad episodes
>>221065486lmau
>>221066300Troons really do ruin everything
>>221066348This is a meme. Capaldi had good scripts minus the occasional shite episode that every season has. Also the idea that Danny had too much of a focus in series 8 is insane lmao, compared to other companion boyfriends like MIckey or Rory, he's barely there. He never even travels in the TARDIS and dies for real at the end of the series.
>>221066358This. Most of Series 10 is ass especially the Monk trilogy.
>>221066330Smith to Capaldi is the big shift imoSmith has more good episodes than badCapaldi has more bad episodes than good
>>221066276>Capaldi's too professional to ever comment on it even if he'd likely have words to sayHe recently did an interview and he was shitting on the show in such a professional manner (eg "its not the strange little show i remember from childhood. It's this giant franchise now")
>>221064417Just watch the one good Capaldi episode which is Heaven Sent. It's self contained.
>>221066303No recording allowed at the con those quotes were from, they're backed up by a bunch of people on twitter who were there though. Same event was supposed to have Eccleston but they never paid him so he didn't show up.
>>221066300Same energy
>>221066415>It's self containedThis is an insane take holy shit. That episode literally hinges on the Doctor and Clara's relationship and what happens to her prior, and directly leads into the next episode with a huge cliffhanger.
>>221064633He was great in Alien 3, very underrated actor and a very underrated movie.
Modern sci-fi television is what happens when you kick out all the mildly autistic white guys from the writers' rooms. Every show turns into feelings, trauma, and being gay. It's a shame because these shows used to be optimistic and encourage imagination.
>>221066320definitely
>>221066425stuff like this is why EU is never taken seriously
this show was always stupid boring and childish but when that blonde cunt became a doctor that shitty shows became even worse
>>221066425It's all so tiresome
>>221066428Yeah, I don't care. It's the only Capaldi episode I watched besides the pilot and I enjoyed it. It's a self contained mystery with a cool twist.
>>221066435What is gayer between nu-Who and nu-Trek?
>>221066458How do you know it's the one good episode if you only watched it and the pilot? Also I can't help but feel like you almost definitely missed a big part of the episode if you watched it without context.
ELI5 what this is.What does tender mean?
>>221066136More the zesttard than the valeyard
>>221066475Series has been shitcanned.
>>221066428Not entirely related the end of Clara's arc has grown on me. I used to hate Face the Raven for how fucking stupid the plot is, but ultimately Clara getting into more trouble than she can deal with due to overestimating her own cleverness, and the doctor completely breaking all his rules to save her, is way too fitting an end for their time together
>>221066330You heard wrong
>>221066435>picrelBut this is based. It paints poly people as terrible parents.
>>221066428Hell Bent is trash though so I pretend it was a one-off
>>221066208My mom is in her late sixties.
>>221066475They're putting the show up for "sale" aka seeking someone else to make the show for them like Bad Wolf did while they keep the rights.
>>221066462I can't speak to Who but I don't think there was a single heterosexual couple in Starfleet Academy. Both Klingon characters were in same sex relationships.
>>221066230>Thank Christ it wasn't me
>>221066475it's canceled but the BBC will sell the rights to someone to make more episodes if the offer is there.
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>>221066484Based. I don't love Face the Raven either, at least I think the writing for most of the plot just feels off. I at least appreciate that Dollard knew to make Clara's death the result of her own actions, but it definitely feels like a first script from a new writer.
>>221066137It's his fault this happened in the first place.Bringing back the Master, Jack and Destroying Gallifrey again was the beginning of the end
>>221066478>"Must we listen any further to the milkshake-brings-all-the-boys-to-the-yard?"
>>221065025She was hurt by new ownership, she was hired to take the blows of criticism they knew would come. That they gave her far too many sidekicks didn't help her establish.
>>221065025she's a good actor as well but they just had no idea how to use her properly
Show was brutally murdered. I particularly like the false hope of the non-existent Christmas special, only to have it cruelly snatched away after waiting for over a year.Thanks for nothing, assholes.
>>221064268brown girl sex
>>221066662Make mine a Yaz
RTD is such an asshole to leave it on that cliffhanger without even explaining if she's the 16th doctor to future showrunners
>>221066348you're retarded
>>221066425>the Jedi are all about transcending thingsAre they though? They seem to be a dogmatic religious order who separate things into a distinct binary of good and evil, from where I'm standing.
>>221066435I partially blame the ST nerds. They were always the ones saying SF is about progress and social change. Someone just took them up on their word. They still wont admit that maybe they exaggerated and maybe Star Trek was more about the adventures and the philosophical quandries than it was about being black and gay.
>>221064268>competitive tenderPut me in coach, I have a billion pound idea. Dr Who is back and now he's a vampire and he teams up with Sherlock Holmes for buttfucking adventures.
>>221067388You're hired
Introducing Christopher Ecceltone as the Audio Doctor
>>221065486Who is now fucking lame and gay why shouldn’t I be upset
>>221065949meanwhile she wouldn't dare aim the gun at that guy in belfast
>>221066040"if you dont like it, dont watch it!"and then nobody watched it lol
>>221066070Reminded me of this:https://youtu.be/2i62oNmyEyw
