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https://www.doctorwho.tv/news-and-features/an-update-on-the-future-of-doctor-who

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ege9lQecazo

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BREAKING NEWS: THE BBC HAVE RECIEVED AN OFFER FOR DOCTOR WHO BY A NEW COMPANY CALLED "BRIGGS FINISH"
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This is now a Nicky Briggs general.
You will praise our lord and saviour Nick Briggs for continuing to make good Classic Who and Nu-Who.
You will circlejerk about Big Finish.
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DOCTOR WHO IS DEAD LONG LIVE DOCTOR WHO

Retcon everything after the Ponds left.
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>>221066542
NEW COMPANION: PETROL
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>>221066491
>"An update to the future of-"
kek when has this ever been good news? Destiny used the same verbiage last week. The update is always "We ran out of money and are shutting down".
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>>221066555
Digits confirm
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God this show is so dead. Russell putting Billie at the end of Reality War has fucking doomed it. They did it because they wanted to strongarm the BBC into letting them write the next episode, and now that they've pulled out, nobody is going to want it. Shopping the show around to people who are going to have to explain why the fuck Billie is there in the first episode is going to go awfully. It's a death sentence to any first episode.
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>>221066541
Don't sully this gem by associating with RTD please
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Can someone spoonfeed me on what happened during RTD's second run? What did the Tennant thing amount to? Is there still a troon in the show? Is there a single good episode?
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>>221066540
High chance Jo Martin becomes the new Wilderness Years Doctor.
No one knows if Billie's the Doctor and she cucked Gatwa out of having that role.
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>>221066562
>Destiny used the same verbiage
destiny what
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>>221066562
Wasn't Destiny 2 a case of self immolation to try and force the audience onto Marathon?
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There's something calming about seeing something you used to love no longer getting raped
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>>221066583
This is all you need to know about RTD2
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>>221066578
Just retcon it immediately, like the scene with the titanic crashing through the Tardis in Tennant's first season
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>>221066597
It's a shitty live service game.
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this show been dead to me the moment they started using ai in the blue ray releases, I still love it but that still hurts
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>>221066578
It needs to be a clean reboot. The canon is spaghetti nonsense that nobody can make sense of. Just start over with a clean slate and bring back some classic villains. The lead needs to be a charismatic British man though.
>>221066608
The game was dying anyway but they made Marathon instead of Destiny 3.
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>>221066583
>What did the Tennant thing amount to?
They brought him back so they could insult him for being a straight white male. Literally. I am not exaggerating.
>Is there still a troon in the show?
More than one.
>Is there a single good episode?
Nope. None of them are even close to good.
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>>221066644
>They brought him back so they could insult him for being a straight white male
and he liked it the faggot
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>>221066583
>Tennant somehow returned
>Celestial Toymaker came back and shot him creating Gatwa separate from Tennant who survived so he could come back for the 2050 anniversary special
>Gatwa sucked dick and died
>Billie Piper is the Doctor
>Show dead

Now you're up to date
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>>221066635
What did they do with AI?
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>>221066621
Anon, that happened at end of Tennant second season and lead into the christmas special
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Lads, you've been chosen to create the new Doctor Who.
Tell me what you'll do.
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>>221066583
>what did the Tennant thing amount to
He's the 14th doctor and bigenerated so he retired while 15 went on adventures

>is there still a Troon in the show
Technically yes, but they have done jack shit and in the last episode they were erased from existence before being brought back and just sits in a chair with no dialogue

>is there a single good episode
Boom and 73 Yards
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>>221066644
>Good episode
wild blue yonder was good, so was lux and dot and bubble but everything else was shit
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>>221066669
make him black and zesty
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>>221066491
IT'S FUCKING DEAD

BRAVO NOLAN
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>>221066675
>73 Yards.
I can't wait for the wilderness 2.0 to kick off so more people are willing to call 73 yards out for the slop it is.
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>>221066678
>wild blue yonder was good
fag
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>>221066669
Plotline of the season is about how the doctor has been trapped in a VR prison simulation, and the nonstop humiliation rituals since ~2013 get completely retconned
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>>221066669
Retcom everything after Capaldi, and not just a vague retcon, literally have the next doctor show proof they are the one right after 12 and never alude to Chibnall or RTD2 ever happening
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>>221066665
Yeah, and at the very first minute of the Christmas special he rewinds and it never happened. Just have a 2 minute scene with Piper that's a dream or regeneration glitch or whatever then the next doctor takes over
It won't save the show, but it's not an unsalvageable ending
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Don't ever let anyone tell you woke killed Doctor Who

For it was YOU the fans and your obsession with fezes and timeywimey allonsyness that killed it
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>>221066661
Ai upscaled the episodes, it looks bad so I stopped buying
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Lads why don't we all chip in and buy the rights to make some who?
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>>221066620
>>221066644
>>221066658
>>221066675
Thanks. Can't believe I was somewhat excited when his return was announced thinking I might finally get back into the show.
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>>221066715
all me btw
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>>221066578
Just start with a new doctor well past regeneration and explain it in like a brief flashback in the finale with him cycling through like a dozen random faces before settling on the new one.
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>>221066678
>Lux
>good
>image related
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>>221066583
Tennant came back for three episodes along with Donna. She got her memories back, and Tennant gets to live with Donna and her family happily ever after, while split regenerated Ncuti runs off on new adventures. Donna has a trans daughter and while she's technically a recurring character she usually has like one line in the episodes she's in outside the introductory one. Russell clearly doesn't care about her.
Ncuti had two seasons, which were overall mediocre with shite finales. The first season has an old lady showing up in the background of the episodes through the series as different side characters. In the finale she is a tech CEO called Susan, and it's revealed that SUE TECH is actually a secret anagram of SUTEKH, the villain from the classic serial Pyramids of Mars, who is now a giant dog. The Doctor puts a leash on him and defeats him. All of this is 100% true btw. The companion of the season is Ruby, who is cute and likeable, but barely developed in most eps. She's an adopted child looking for her birth mother, and she finds her at the end of the season and leaves.
The second season has a new companion, Belinda who is genuinely the most boring companion of the revival. Murray didn't even give her theme music, she's so nothing. The season arc this time is a different old lady called Mrs Flood is appearing in the background of most episodes (not Sue Tech), and she's revealed to be the Rani, trying to bring back Omega who is now a giant CGI creature and immediately dies. Belinda is revealed to have been a mom the whole series, and then the Doctor dies and regenerates into Billie.

There are a few good episodes.
Boom (by Moffat) is decent, not the best ending but it feels like Who.
73 Yards (by RTD) is standalone, Doctor-lite, and very different to usual Who but great telly.
Rogue (by new writers) is a fun "standard" Doctor Who romp if you don't mind gay romance.
Joy to the World (by Moffat) is fun but messy.
I also liked The Giggle from the 60th.
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>>221066669
Do what they did with eccleston with a new doctor keep the last few faces but change their stories so they aren't shit.

Also only ONE Tennant
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>>221066729
I'd rather make some poo *Sharts*
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>>221066715
oh yeah they did do that meta fan meetup thing. odd
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>>221066578
You just invent a new Time War style event that happens between seasons, swap to a new actor and then let Biggs handle it like Big Finish handled most of the Time War fluff.
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>>221066669
make it science fiction again. and throw away his sonic screwdriver
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>>221066669
The Doctor wakes up in contemporary London with no memory. He doesn't know what regeneration he's on or how old he is. There. Now you have a sequel and reboot all in one.
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>>221066669
Erase everything after capaldi, doctors are regen locked to be white men. The doc has red hair for a minute before it fades and he's sad about still not being ginger before he crashes the tardis into a fat gay retards house and crushing him and nobody ever brings it up. Hot redhead twins as companions.
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>wins
fantastic
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>>221066669
Park a massive fudge dragon right on RTD's head
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>>221066669
Start the show directly from the end of Twice upon a Time. Show Capaldi regenerating into a new Doctor so we can ignore all the buffoonery that followed.
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>>221066796
>RTD cameos on screen as the corpse of the fat retard
>The twins have a threesome with the doctor on screen in the pilot
KINO
you are GREENLIT, ANONYMOUS
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>>221066669
Serial-based series. 12 episodes, 3 stories of 4 episodes each.
The Doctor is a recurring character but rarely takes the spotlight compared to each episode's incidental cast. No fixed companion - characters from each native story fill similar roles, but typically not in the form of a clear companion character.
Set some incalculable and vague time after nu-who. The presumed regenerations in between don't matter, and everything in nu-who is so long ago that they're not relevant. Address nothing, just make good TV.
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>>221066757
>>221066801
You guys are really into doing poo
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>>221066817
Even better start from The Doctor Falls and ignore Tu(W)AT
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>>221066669
Honestly? I'd do grounded mini-series set in 50's London or something and use Jo Martin for a season, bring Billie back for the Xmas special. Reveal that Jo Martin is Post 14 and Billie's 16. Both merge back together. New Doctor, continue the series from that point on with a time-skip. New Doctor can now go forward with no baggage.
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>>221066828
>the Doctor rarely takes the spotlight
That's not Dr Who, that's a spinoff. You're just using the name of the show to trick viewers at that point. I hate when people do that shit
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>>221066669
Go back to when the 12th doctor regenerates and reveal that the timeline split during it for some bullshit reason so I can ignore everything afterwards

Then I'll immediately ruin it by making the doctor an old granny who runs a children's home in victorian london who takes them on adventures to make their sad miserable life better, all the kids will die in the season finale and the show will return to a contemporary setting
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>>221066669
E. Grant as the master
McGann TV Run set in 96/97
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>>221066828
>Set some incalculable and vague time after nu-who. The presumed regenerations in between don't matter, and everything in nu-who is so long ago that they're not relevant.
Can't happen, the BBC are hacks and can't sustain a story that isn't vaguely set during the current IRL time. They can't even write a time travel plot not anchored in $current_year
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Honestly it's kind of based to revive the show from death in 2005 and then bury it in 2025

RTD has all the power. You're living in his world
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>>221066669
Farscape but with The Doctor
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>>221066787
I maintain leaving his first run on the 'I don't want to go' line was also a fuck you to Moffat
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>>221066669
I bring the Rani back as the big bad at the end of the season except this time she's a giant CGI/AI monster with barely a semblance of the character's original personality.
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>>221066846
>t. hasn't watched classic
The Doctor himself is a minor character in most of the plots. He's the main character in that the camera follows him, but the stories are largely carried by the secondary casts doing their own thing while the Doctor bumbles through them.
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>>221066879
Tennant chose that line, not RTD.
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So the BBC are finally gonna blacklist RTD for this, right?
He's left them with a worse mess than Chibbers did and there's still all the back scene drama that clearly has NDA's hushing people up over.
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>>221066848
>Go back to when the 12th doctor regenerates and reveal that the timeline split
Ironically not enough. They retconned the doctor's and the timelords' poisoning the entire story from literally its earliest moment. You can't reverse this kind of sabotage by just splitting off the timepline
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>>221066879
Also when the pandemic hit RTD published his fanfic about how the Eighth Doctor ACTUALLY died because he couldn't respect Moffat's ending for him and had to contest it
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>>221066872
I think they just don't want to bother with period specific sets and costumes. Historical episodes are always a drain on the budget. It's easier to shoot everything on a soundstage or outside a local pub.
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Bowlestrek won btw
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>>221066895
You are fucking retarded. Tennant left the show willingly despite being offered to do Season 5 and he doesn't write the scripts.

Season 5 was actually supposed to begin with Tennant meeting Amy, on the verge of death and about to regenerate, then the tardis would wink out and a past version of Tennant not dead would meet adult amy and go on adventures.
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>>221066873
He has all the power yet he couldn't save his husband, ironic.
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>>221066669
have some guy monologue about how he used to be a time traveler once but he gave that up and it's been so long that he doesn't remember the last time he went on an adventure. Have the Tardis control room like it was in the beginning of the TV movie and have a new Doctor sitting comfy at a chair. Then some turn of events forces him out and he regains his love for time travel again. Meets a companion along the way too
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>>221066922
Tennant still chose that line, they've literally said as much. It's possible to choose to leave the show and still feel sad about it.
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>>221066849
>McGann
I heard the UK got him on 4k, any word when the US gets a release? I don't want to pay the current import price.
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>>221066872
It can be long ago for the Doctor. Then have some easter egg in the background for nerds that says that UNIT got a budget cut and the Avenger's Tower is gone.
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>>221066669
>Doctor regenerates into a cat
>wipes out Gallifrey Base
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By the time the show comes back unless they go for an older actor again, the next Doctor's gonna be a Zoomer.
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>>221066948
>Then have some easter egg in the background for nerds that says that UNIT got a budget cut and the Avenger's Tower is gone.
See this is just

Too much continuity

Details like the avenger's tower need to just be completely fucking ignored

You don't even have to include UNIT, really
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>>221066938
>used to be a time traveler once but he gave that up
Briggs punching the wall after seeing this
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>>221066917
No doubt that budget concerns are a major reason, but the writers have repeatedly shown that even when writing stories set in the far future or far past they never make the slightest effort to imagine a different cultural landscape than whatever is going on IRL at the time
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>>221066491
When are we ready to admit that NuWho was a mistake?
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>>221066943
don't bother they used AI on it same way they've been doing it to the Classic blu rays since Season 15 and it looks waxy as fuck at certain points, unless you don't care then nevermind
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>>221066747
73 Yards is (for the most part) great TV but it isn't fucking Doctor Who. That's what I felt immediately after airing.
Doctor Who is a rationalist show at heart, about exploration and explanation. Even if it's nonsense about Daleks using mirrors to time-travel or Cybermen running off mercury or whatever, there's always been a sense of having to learn the rules about how this world works and using that new knowledge each episode.
73 Yards isn't interested in actually exploring or ever even really explaining what's happening to Ruby, the rules of the entity, etc. Effective TV in some places, with some genuinely unnerving scenes, but fundamentally it goes against the whole spirit of the show and in the end doesn't amount to anything. Then it loses its way as it turns into this strange redux of Years & Years with a supernatural Welsh ethnonationalist about to become PM, and then the whole story is just brushed aside by the ending magically undoing everything. None of it ever happened and Ruby never remembers it, so what's the use of it?
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RTD won't be missed.
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>been watching entire classic seasons
>realize this shit was waaaaay better than faggy nuwho
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>>221066970
Older actors aren't allowed to play The Doctor anymore. Capaldi proved that when he killed the show
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>>221066970
it's over
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>>221066978
Yeah, didn't they always shoehorn in an interracial/interspecies gay couple into every historical setting? They literally cannot imagine a world where being gay is a giant social taboo.
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so about that Minister of War...
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>>221066915
No during the pandemic there was a lot of old stuff being released and pandemic short stories. That story in particular was written for DWM for the 50th anniversary on request by DWM but went unused when it was found out that the special would address the regeneration.
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>>221067018
capaldi isn't to blame for the shitty scripts he was given
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>>221067018
The show killed itself
Capaldi had a godawful character and writing shoved into his hands and he tried to do his best with it
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>>221066715
That was the Tumblr fans, aka the "woke" ones. So yes.
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>>221067029
That was 73 yards. Also the Capaldi Era isn't canon
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>>221067018
b-but reddit told me he was the best doctor :')
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>Doctor who is on prolonged hiatus.
Cool, I'll go back to doing what I was doing anyway. Watching Classic Who, going through Colin Baker and McGann's Big Finish backlog, sprinkled in with some nu-who Big Finish stories.
And finally watching women cry over Matt Smith's regeneration then proceeding to hate Capaldi's run for being so different to their manic pixie dream raggedy man.
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>>221066971
I'm all for just not mentioning anything at all but there's a lot of people now insisting that things need to be outright retconned so you may as well throw them a bone.
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>>221067040
>>221067044
He had the exact same writing and character as Tennant and Smith and they made it work
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>>221066996
>unless you don't care
I don't. Oh No, it somehow still looks better than my shitty VHS rip, what a tragedy! For a show that began and lived its entire classic run being pretty blurry you faggots sure are precious about the dumbest fucking things.
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>>221066669
Its time to let it lie fallow for another decade or so. Nu-Who is a donkey that beat itself to death with dreadful writing, agenda pushing and showrunners who prioritised their pet projects over it.

>>221067057
I'd recommend the Past Doctors/Missing Adventures books if you haven't read them. Some are amazing, some, not so much, but even their worst trumps shit like the Abzorbaloff or whatever with ease.
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>>221067073
It was a lot less gay than Tennant even
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maybe i make my own Doctor Who then
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>>221067006
I disagree that Doctor Who has any real rules about what it should be. I think the main problem with 73 Yards is that the rest of the series sucks so it feels like the best episode of the series is usurping the actual show. But if it was in a good series, nobody would be upset. The show can be anything, it doesn't even need to have the Doctor in it (not every episode though). Doctor Who doesn't need to explain the entity, it doesn't need to be about learning the rules, and there are absolutely episodes that the show has done that do the same. Midnight never explains itself (fuck off The Well), Listen never explains itself. It doesn't need to have happened to Ruby, The Girl Who Waited never happened to Amy, and we've had entire episodes where the main character never appears in any other episodes. It's an exploration of a possibility of what could've happened, and we absolutely learn more about Ruby and her abandonment fears in the episode, even if she isn't aware it happened. There should never be a prescribed set of rules about what Doctor Who "needs to be".
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>>221067078
I'll look into anon, thanks for the recommendation.
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>>221067084
We get it nigger you hate david tennant and think hes a fag. Shut the fuck up about him already. Jesus christ
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>>221066669
I'd make a new mini-series unrelated to Doctor Who (marketed as such).
Focus it on a group of people who uncover some conspiracy (think something like utopia or x-files).
They'd keep bumping into an old guy (the doctor) who 'works' in strange antique shop.
Eventually they solve the case, but the doctor has to take some of them.
Maybe the ayys were some other rogue galifreyans trying to piss the doctor off, so he takes them to gallifrey or whatever, idk it's not important, as long as for some reason they start traveling with him.
Maybe doc has to regenerate or something at the end.

Either way, used as a starting point for a new series that doesn't mention anything about the previous seasons, odd little references here and there but nothing concrete.
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>>221066669
I cast the Doctor as a heterosexual white Englishman, somewhere between the ages of 35 and 50, with a charismatic yet eccentric demeanor.
Then I write good stories, and put the Doctor in them, alongside some attractive women.

Crazy idea, yeah?
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>>221067078
If Doctor Who and Star Trek go on a decade+ hiatus, they'll have to be written for Gen Alpha.
>Next time on Doctor Who, the Doctor faces his most terrifying foe yet: Skibidi Toilet!
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>>221067084
That's because no one would be attracted to a senile grandpa even in fiction

Not even River could stand to kiss him in the only episode she ever did with him so they just kind of looked at each other awkwardly for a bit
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>>221067118
That's all wrong

No, what we need is something even more diverse than woman doctor and gay nigger doctor.

We need hijab wheelchair doctor
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>>221067118
You're completely bonkers.
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>>221067073
No he fucking didn't. 12 is an angry antisocial cunt who looks down on everyone and doesn't really seem to enjoy traveling at all. It's exactly the opposite of 9-11 who were all adventurous and cared deeply about everyone they met.
None of the previous nuwho doctors would ever say
>are you the same people as before? I deleted you the moment we left
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>>221067118
RTD rape this man
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>>221067144
Yeah man the "stupid apes" guy was totally different.
12 deeply cares about everyone he meets too, he's just awful at showing it. He literally tortures himself for 4 billion years because he wants to save his best friend.
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>>221067118
>35 and 50
No good. 18 - 33 at most. Get a Jacob Elordi and maybe we can talk about a pilot
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>>221067113
15 fucking years of
>David Tennant is the best Doctor
>David Tennant is the best Doctor
>When is David Tennant coming back
>Will David Tennant be the Doctor again
>I stopped watching when David Tennant left
>The show was only good with David Tennant
and niggers like you are like OMG stop talking about him!!!!!!
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>>221067173
No one in this thread has said any of those things.
Get the fuck over it NIGGER
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>>221067168
No 9 cared he just thought humans were too stupid for their own good and it frustrated him, 12 was a whiny little fag who threw pissy fits and rattled off gay speeches every episode
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Doctor Who Series 1 (2029) should just start where survival left off and finish the ace time lord plotline it was going to end on
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>>221067144
>"In small ways, saved some little people, but never someone as important as you. Oh, I'm good."
>"Little people? What, like Mia and Yuri? Who decides they're so unimportant? You?"
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>>221067144
>>221067168
9 was a huge cunt and that unironically made him closest to a Classic doctor. Of course RTD had to make 10 be his homosexual dream boat which affected how people perceived the character. 12 is similar to 9 but "controversial" because 10 ruined everything
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>>221067118
hot take: the doctor can be any race or gender the writing just has to be good
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>>221067195
This is just bad faith characterization. The 12th Doctor only gets pissed off at people for exactly what you're saying 9 does.
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>>221067118
35 is too old
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>>221067200
>episode where the Doctor is intentionally portrayed at his darkest and lowest point compared to every other time

Yeah you really proved your point retard
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Bring back Sexy, I say.
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>>221067191
They were literally saying it in the last thread.
Your defensiveness tells me you want to suck his cock.
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>>221067229
It's a character study of 10's ego, you idiot. They peel back the layers to reveal what he really is.
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>>221067214
>the writing just has to be good
Got it. More quirky dialog and references to Tennant and Smith
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It's a star wars sequels situation

Good writing is incompatible with woke
So we're going to get garbage instead
Either ctrl+v of 2005 (TFA), or a humiliation ritual (TLJ)

At least we still have big finish...
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>>221067171
>Tiktok Doctor
Let's not do that.
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>>221066578
What's the problem with Billie Piper? You do know she has played 3 different characters in the show before this, right? The Doctor choses faces to remind himself of things in his past and what sort of person he wants to be each regeneration.

He has just sacrificed his new bi-regeneration ability to rewrite reality and save a life, of course he would be reminded of the sacrifice he thought he had made with The Moment to end the Time War.

Obviously if you've ever watched Doctor Who you'd know that so this is a useful filter for verifying ifa post online was made by a fan or a trol or bot pretending to be one instead.
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>>221067168
>Yeah man the "stupid apes" guy was totally different.
Yes he was. Even 9, angsty and racist as he was, always cared about all the side characters. In his very second episode he's deeply upset about that plant woman getting burnt, and then there's the extremely memorable
>Just this once, everybody lives!

Caring about his companion isn't the same as caring about every side character he meets. He'll he's quite a dick to Clara too in multiple episodes, it's a minor plotline that he almost drives her away
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>>221066849
didn't he play the doctor in a comic relief episode?
I think joanna lumley did too, might have even been the same episode
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>>221067282
She's not going to play the Doctor, she doesn't want to and only did this cameo as a favor to RTD. The new writer isn't going to want to have Billie in one episode and explain why, while trying to write their reboot of the show.
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>>221066669
>film new special in complete darkness
>shadow drop with a last-minute announcement
>episode starts with the Billie Piper clip
>zooms out to show a man watching it on a screen
>laughs that everyone now hates the doctor
>it's the valeyard
>explains that he meddled with the timeline and past incarnations to turn everyone against the doctor
>have a meta series of valeyard doctor being a complete asshole and shitting on everything

This show is the fucking easiest to write for
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Oh dear, Russell. What have you done?
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>>221067305
it was Blackadder, Richard E. Grant, Slughorn, Hugh Grant and Lumley, yes
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>>221067214
Hot take: a lot of Doctor Who's charm is rooted in it being the British science fiction franchise, and the character just fundamentally is a man

If the show can just be anything, then it isn't Doctor Who anymore, is it? It's non-descript globohomo product #545332, carrying a particular branding that no longer means or identifies anything.

Also, gay people just aren't cool. I'm sorry. They're not aspirational heroes. they're weird and effeminate.
Everyone wants to be the Doctor, but no one wants to be the gay Doctor.
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Sack _____. Sack ______. Sack ______.

So now he can come back?
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>>221067318
>sarah sutton in 3rd
what the fuck is wrong with /who/? She looks like a tree sloth
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>>221067330
>explains that he meddled with the timeline
Oh so Toymaker again
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>>221067293
>He'll he's quite a dick to Clara too in multiple episodes, it's a minor plotline that he almost drives her away
This is just bullshit, did you watch the fucking show?
12 is genuinely confused in KTM when Clara gets upset at him, he thought he was genuinely thinking of her and trying to do what he thought was right by leaving her to decide for herself, and she's furious because to her it felt like he was ditching her. It's not the result of him being a dick, it literally outlines what the whole point of 12 was in series 8, someone who is alien and doesn't entirely understand how to navigate humans, but is always trying to do his best. He echoes her words back to her later in the series, "I walk this earth, I breathe your air," because he is trying to learn, because he deeply cares about her.
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>>221067340
this wasn't even a fucking fringe take Alex Kingston was saying this but we all got prog brain in the 2010s and it was imperative we make the Doctor a woman because, just because
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>>221067282
The Doctor is a man, for one thing.
We did the female Doctor thing. It was a huge disaster. Can we just have a normal one now?
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Just watched the animated restoration of Power of the Daleks

Pure kino even with ropey movement of the characters
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>>221066669
>Tell me what you'll do.
Crop Top Doctor
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>>221067214
The Doctor has to be a british white man and his companion has to be a british white woman so that the audience, british white men and women and their children can watch and relate to what is happening on the screen
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Apologise.
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As soon as pic related happened, I knew the show would get cancelled.
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>>221067385
Make it his daughter instead, and I'll accept.
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>>221067385
Brilliant
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>>221067385
jeet-kun, your slop doesn't have a crop top in it...
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>>221066849
Richard E Grant was going to be the Valeyard but Smith wanted to move on and there wasn't enough time to put that into his remaining episodes (when the great intelligence leaps into the Doctors timeline in Trensalore it set this up along with the conclusion of the Impossible Girl arc and revealing the War Doctor).

This is a storyline RTD might come back to as he confirmed that Grant was one of the Doctor's faces.
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>>221067396
JNT did nothing wrong and mogs Chinballs and RTDsplooge I will keep saying this
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>>221067396
You're the second worst gay showrunner, well done
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>>221067424
>This is a storyline RTD might come back to
huh
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>>221067363
Except that the previous 3 doctors never had this issue. I'm not saying that 12 is evil and hates people on purpose, I'm saying that his character is a complete 180 from the character of the doctor that nuwho had established up to this point. It's even more jarring when you contrast it with the fact that 11 died of old age after he dedicated the rest of his life to protecting an insignificant small village in the middle of nowhere. How does that 11 regenerate into this 12?
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>>221067430
>gay showrunner
>mandated female companions wear short skirts and have their tits out at all times

our gay showrunners used to be based
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>>221067092
This, only with me instead of you
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I'm seeing way too much optimism around this show

It's still being run by the BBC. Whatever they trot out in 2028 will be even more dogshit and pozzed than RTD2.
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>>221067479
with how gay RTD2 was what is the BBC's issue with him not to keep him on? is it just because his name is toxic?
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>>221067408
It took you that long? I knew the show was dead when this happened
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>>221067423
>your slop doesn't have a crop top in it.
Yes, she does. Stop gaslighting.
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The show doesn't even follow the Doctor anymore, it follows the Doctor's son.
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>>221067428
>the man who publicly went on TV as a teenager and shit talked JNT ended up making an infinitely worse era
That's pretty embarrassing.
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>>221067452
Explain 5 turning into 6 and being the complete opposite of his former self?
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>>221067118
Guards, seize him
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>>221067479
Meh, im not coming back unless the next iteration of the show is a complete retcon of the past few seasons.
I might consider a reboot of some kind, but won't watch until its proven itself
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>>221066669
make it an educational show
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>>221066970
The oldest Zoomers are in their 30s, by the time that happens they will be that older actor.
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>>221067452
11 intended to leave though lmao, he was only stuck there because the TARDIS didn't come back. But that's entirely beside the point. The point of 12's character is that he seems radically different but in reality it's the same character in a different case. Every Doctor has a different personality to some extent but is the same character underneath. Throughout series 8 it's about revealing that 12 is no different.
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>>221067456
You're not wrong
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>>221067428
The implication that moffat was good is cringe. His season storylines in particular were some of the most insipid, cringe mystery boxes in all of science fiction.
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>>221067519
Fun fact, the writer who Chibnall shat on Pip Baker lived long enough to see The Timeless Children air and died the next month, that guy would no go to his grave until he say Chibnall crater his reputation and I respect it
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>>221067532
And 6 killed the show

Just like Capaldi
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>>221066747
thanks for the detail!
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>>221067532
I'm not touching oldwhu, the writing was vastly different and the time war gap firmly separates the two continuities. I'm purely criticizing the character of 12 in contrast to 9-11
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>>221067558
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So did he win the war?
RTD is definitely out but whether Jane Tranter, Phil Collinson and Julie Gardner are with Bad Wolf or work directly for the BBC seems a bit nebulous.
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>>221067243
I'm sure you can point to a single post doing so then.
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>Wasted Sutekh
>Wasted Omega
>Wasted Rani
>Daleks have become stale
>The Master is too recurring
Honestly, who can be the next big bad?
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>>221067168
>tortures himself for 4 billion years
He only experiences a handful of days
The version that does the next cycle has no memory or knowledge of anything that transpired (hence having to piece it together every single time). As far as he knows, he only just arrived from the alleyway.
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>>221067601
Bad Wolf is out, he won
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>>221067601
We just need Barrowman to get his dick ripped off
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>>221067614
Might have to fucking come up with something new rather than trotting out shit from 50 years ago hey
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>>221067617
>But I can remember, Clara. You don't understand, I can remember it all. Every time. And you'll still be gone. Whatever I do, you still won't be there.
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>>221067479
The optimism is about the show being fucking dead, not that it might come back in a year and a half.
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>>221067614
>who can be the next big bad?
Meddling Monk
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>>221067479
Optimism? If you mean hoping post 2nd hiatus Who disconnects completely from the worst of nu-Who, I suppose so.

>>221067614
The Toymaker? Oh wait...
Great Intelligence?
Oh.

Black Guardian again I guess?
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>>221067568
Based
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>>221067614
It's his time to shine
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>>221067614
I always wanted an episode with Sutekh or Omega, but the way RTD handled them was so unappealing, how does that even happen?
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>>221067452
I'm not sure what you're getting at. The 12th Doctor is still heroic, and still helps people. His priorities are still in the same place. The regeneration just reshuffled the part of his personality that made him open and warm, to make him broody and antisocial. Regenerations do that.

Also, the Doctor was fucking right in Kill the Moon. It wasn't his place to step in and kill an innocent baby, even to save his favourite planet. He gave the humans the power to make that decision, and then stepped away. Explain what he was supposed to do.
I swear, I have no idea why people get so ass blasted over this episode. It's an interesting moral quandary.
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>Don't worry, I've already written the script! The BBC execs love it!
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>>221067642
>Optimism?
Just the constant coping that there will be a reboot with a strong script. The only way we see this character again is if some Jew has concocted a new way to humiliate and subvert
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>>221067624
That's bullshit but I believe it
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>>221067614
>>Wasted Rani
name a good rani episode
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>>221067625
>something new
After the tooth guy? I don't think so pal

Bring back fenric
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>>221067656
christ
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>>221067662
I didn't even bring up this episode, I only mentioned that he had been a dick to Clara multiple times. I disliked 12's personality from his very first few episodes, long before kill the moon
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>>221067614
Your only option at this point is the Valeyard and it might be the only way to solve this mess of a continuity.
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>>221066491
WE'RE FINISHED

Oh, you guys heard
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>For the record: there was no script, I never wrote it, and no actor was ever approached to play the next Doctor. You may disagree; fine, sit in that chair and wait to be proved right. You'll wait a lonnng time.
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>>221067729
Or, better idea, pretend this continuity never happened and not drag out another Classic Who villain to fuck up
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>>221067614
The Angels are still good for whenever they need something that can't be conventionally defeated. The Eternals haven't shown up in nu-who either. They're not evil empire types, but there's a lot you can do with the machinations of bored amoral gods.
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>>221067744
>mocking the diehards who were still watching his slop
Unironically based
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>>221067753
>Valeyard
>Fuck up.
You can't fuck up the Valeyard as he was already trite.
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>>221067737
>RTD2 starts with 10 and Donna and ends with Rose
Pottery
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>the Valeyard
Here's his RTD2 redesign by the way
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>>221067744
SHENANIGANS
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Martha's actress really was the only RTD companion to come out of RTD2 looking good.
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>>221067788
fucking kek
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>>221067773
He Jests at Scars is kino
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>>221067793
But she wasn't in it
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>>221067793
Did she appear or get mentioned? I haven't been following the nigger doctor stuff at all
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>>221067811
Exactly.
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BBC confirms CBeebies show is still going ahead
That is literally going to be the future of the franchise
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>>221067737
>the Doctor visibly regenerates into Rose on screen
>to this day there's still monumental cope that she's not actually the Doctor
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>>221067737
this JUSTed still image captured the current state of dr who perfectly
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>>221067793
RTD already fucked her up by making her Mickey's sloppy seconds
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>>221067714
He's not intentionally being a dick. He's pointed and focused on his mission, and he's less of an emotional sponge than his predecessor, so he struggles with the whole part of the arrangement where he then has to carry on a relationship with his friends, but he still tries to.
People perceive this character so strangely. There is no active meanness in the 12th Doctor. At worst, maybe a short temperedness when dealing with fools.
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>>221067818
Now we just have to wait for the Tennant announcement
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>>221067839
That's actually probably why she didn't appear
It would invoke token black guy and the irl actor is implicated in like a billion sex crimes unironically
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>>221067793
>Mickey and Jack both ousted for being sex pests near the end of Chibbers era
>Rose, 10 and Donna all clearly came back purely to bail Russ out to the annoyance of fans
>Once the NDA's wear off, Ruby, 15 and Belinda are bound to have a lot to say

9 and Martha won.. They fucking won..
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>>221067839
Imagine giving up this for Rose's sloppy seconds
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Some people really got traumatised when they were ten years old and their le happy smiley friend on the telly turned into an emotionally complex Scotsman, didn't they?
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>>221067874
he's oogleh
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>>221066540
I like her because she looks like she could return to the based genocidal Doctor years
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>>221067874
>emotionally complex

emotionally complex is when asshole that gives gay speeches
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>>221067614
>Honestly, who can be the next big bad?
Full Lovecraftian.
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>>221067874
The negative effects of casting David Tennant
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Isn't it interesting watching the faggots who played defence for the show for the past 10 years turn around and admit it hasn't been good since moffat left?

Just go to reddit and scroll. Why are leftists like this? The doublethink really fucks me up
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It amuses me the people from Moffat's era are the only ones who really went on to do better things.
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>>221067874
>turned into an old and ugly Scotsman, didn't they?
Ftfy. We would have been fine with James Macavoy
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Smith announcement tonight 7pm
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>>221067913
what?
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>>221067788
Perfect
Here's Rassilon
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>>221067817
kek
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>>221067922
Oh yeah people are really rushing out to see the latest episodes of devil's hour and criminal record

Oh wait there was also that bit part in a black mirror episode
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>>221067922
They're also the ones who seem happiest with the show. Ecclestone is open about how much he hates RTD and Ncuti's making jokes about it and voicing his disappointment at not facing the Daleks. It's funny how few of RTD's actors you actually see returning in his other shows, while Moffat just made a show with Karen Gillan and Alex Kingston, and another with Capaldi and is making one with Jenna Coleman at the moment.
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>>221067922
>Karen Gillian
>the guy in Morbius

Yeah real superstars
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im going to piss myself laughing if they bring eccleston back as 16
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>>221067978
yeah man house of the dragon was tiny
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>>221067569
Revisionist bullshit. Season 22 had about the same ratings as Season 21. Audiences were fine with Colin Baker.
It was the 18 month gap and BBC propaganda that killed the show. And Seasons 23 and 24 being shit, of course. But 24 was McCoy.
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>>221067978
Damn those niche movies called Guardians of the Galaxy and Avengers Endgame.
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>>221067899
Fundamentally caring and trying to do good, but also being in some regards difficult to get along with, and operating on an entirely different wavelength to humans, yes.
>Noooo! He should le smile, and cry, and solve complex moral problems by waving his magic giggle stick! he should be MY best friend, and my boyfriend, and have babies with me, and and and-
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>>221068001
it was because Colin Baker fucked Michael Grade's wife and Grade couldn't fill the hole he left so he demanded he be fired
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>>221067962
The core cast from Moffat's era seem to be on good terms still as well. Karen and Arthur are doing a podcast, Arthur and Alex are back doing Big Finish together. Smith's always talking praise about his co-stars during the era.
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>Doctor Who (1963 - 1989)
>Doctor Who (1996)
>Doctor Who (2005 - 2022)
>Doctor Who (2023 - 2025)
>Doctor Who (2029 ~)
lmao
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>>221067962
Tennant and Tate love RTD
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>>221067318
holy mogged
I knew you guys were based
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>>221067913
Some people are just obsessed with enjoying the current thing, or pretending to.
They have to feel like they're "with it". It's an insufferable normieism.
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Moral of the story?
Don't sniff your own farts during Covid.
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>>221067908
No one is willing to admit this
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-FQ3KM3ABU

Still one of the peaks of the show imo, I wish the soundtrack for this scene was out in a non-shit version
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never forget this was the first thing they did post RTD2

the writing was always on the wall...
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>>221067874
Some people really got traumatised when they were ten years old and their le happy smiley friend on the telly turned into a sexually complex African Ame- British man, didn't they?
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>>221068161
I just didn't watch it. lol.
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>>221067544
Oh right the original concept where the eps alternate between history and science lessons and not sponge rubber aliens using vocoders
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>>221068001
>Audiences were fine with Colin Baker
Then how is it that we never reference Fatty
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>>221068214
Besides all the times we do?
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>>221067773
after watching S22 and Trial in their entirety for the first time in my life, I can safely say that while S22 was kino, Trial was utter utter utter shite and bollocks or whatever you britfags say. Can't believe they did my boy so dirty.
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>>221068256
Mindwarp is good especially that ending
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>>221068256
>Bob Holmes dies suddenly halfway (no one even knew he was sick)
Why did this seem to happen a lot during the 80s?
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>>221068325
unironically more personality than RTD2 had
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>>221068340
aids
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>>221068370
>aids

Unlike currently sacked showrunners, Robert Holmes wasn't gay
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>>221068041
Isn't Tennant a rawdogging troonhound now
I heard he diddled some kids and they trooned out
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>>221068370
I could believe that's how Ian Marter died
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>liked by ncuti gatwa
lmao
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>>221068325
>Doctor Who canceled right before Avengers DOOM'sday
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>>221068404
Eccleston liking it would be funnier
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>>221068369
It was a simpler time
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>>221067857
>>Mickey and Jack both ousted for being sex pests near the end of Chibbers era
The fish rots from the head. I'd put $50 on RTD being a Jimmy Savile, and like with Savile "everyone knew" but it won't come out until after he dies.
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>>221068369
You would literally never see a display like this for ANYTHING nowadays, let alone Doctor Who
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>>221068452
Stephen Fry is another. If you ever read Fat Chance by Simon Gray he brings up how Fry would be a nonce during rehearsals of Cell Mates and it made Rik Mayall hate him
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>>221068476
Consumer culture of this magnitude died after the 2008 recession
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>>221067744
>bafflers
>winternox
>village
LIES
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>>221066644
14 was gay though.
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>>221066678
The Giggle > Wild Blue Yonder
Rogue > Lux and Dot and Bubble
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>>221066620
>Based RTD putting gamers in their place. Classic episode for sure. Just a pity it wasn't canon.
>Using every ninth word, Alan communicates to them that he is in pain. Belinda touches her version of the certificate to Alan's, which causes them to experience all of time simultaneously. The Doctor rescues Belinda while Alan reverts to a sperm and egg, which is cleaned up by a robot.
>Ncuti's rapturous reaction to the rather casual murder of Alan really brings into sharp focus the full horror of this abomination of an incarnation. This is no longer a man of compassion and kindness filled with awe at the wonders of the universe. This is a man boiling with hatred and consumed by cruelty. A man who cackles with glee and does high kicks when his companion's friend is HILARIOUSLY murdered by insane robots a thousand light years from home. Ncuti's Doctor sees human life as disposable indeed. Particularly the lives of white male gamers, who just so happen to make up the vast majority of Doctor Who's fanbase. It is in moments like these (and there are many in this series) that the showrunner drops the mask entirely and Ncuti's Doctor becomes merely a barefaced avatar for RTD to spew forth a disturbingly comprehensive torrent of bile and fury at a fanbase he so clearly despises. One can practically feel the poisonous contempt the author has for his audience burning right off the screen. Genuinely frightening stuff and certainly not for children.
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>>221068657
TRVKE
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>>221066678
>The fact that these are now considered "good" episodes in comparison to the mileu of slop produced in the last 9 years of the show
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>>221068325
what the fuck was that?
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>>221068732
it's even better (worse) with sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i62oNmyEyw
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>>221067827
kek what is this image
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>>221068770
early 2000s point and click PC game cutscene
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Kind of actually crazy how you can be the hero putting stuff out there like "Just this once, everybody lives" to becoming the villain that pretty much shit talks & trashes the fans for having the audacity to expect better & to even expect a Christmas special.
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>>221068801
>"Just this once, everybody lives"
Moffat wrote that, not RTD.
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>>221068801
You're gonna realize at some point the majority of the best characterization from RTD's first era came from other writers.
You're not getting a guy who wrote just this once, everybody lives.
You're getting a petty gay manchild who wrote shit lke
>Don't you think she looks tired?
And
>WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN!
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where are we meeting up to record Doctor in Distress 2 then?
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>>221068879
/dmg/ - dead meme general
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>>221068911
Dugga dugga doo was supposed to save us..
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>Next December, I’ll be here to trumpet and toot about the 2026 Christmas Special. It contains these three words.
“Baffles”, “Winternox” and “Village”.
In hindsight, what did Rusty mean by this? Looking increasingly like he did write the script but was fired desu
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>Final line in Classic Who
>There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, where the sea's asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke, and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, and somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace, we've got work to do!

>Final line in NuWho
>[bogged Billie Piper] OH HELLU!
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well we'll always have the good times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAhnulFTYo8
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>>221068959
There are two possibilities:
>He wrote the script, it had those words in it, and he is lying now to save face.
>He didn't write the script, made those words up and thought he'd find a way to put them in later.
Both are credible for him.
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>>221066620
Incel twink as the Doctor would’ve been better than African twink as the Doctor
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>>221068966
No, the final line of Nu-who is
>I said, pick it up!
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>>221066541
came here to post exactly this lmao
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RTD2'S DEAD!
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>>221068997
BBC begging someone else to fund the show.
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>>221068948
Alas, t'was not to be
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>>221068966
>Final line in NuWho
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>>221068997
a Kate Stewart villain arc could've actually popped off if RTD and McTighe weren't gay incompetent retards
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>>221068997
she points a gun at litter dropper but wouldnt have dared pointed it at the bloke in belfast yesterday.

the hypocrisy is ASTONISHING
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>>221066669
Go back to basics with it. Creative monster of the week stories that take themselves more seriously, lean away from camp and more into sci-fi/horror. Cast someone with a hard edge as the Doctor. Someone like Eccleston or maybe Philip Glenister. Give him an attractive female sidekick and keep the writers’ politics out of it.
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>>221067479
bro its not coming back in 2028. I doubt itll come back until the 2040s AT LEAST
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>>221069083
Or better yet keep the writers' politics in it but one week it's left wing and the next week it's right wing, like Classic was
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>>221069015
I bet they were hoping people would use it as a meme to show their support
>Pick up Doctor Who, Disney/random corporation! The fans demand it!
I'm sure whoever at the BBC came up with that thought they were geniuses
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Main problem with RTD who is that unlike Classic Who and Moffat who were a lot of shit ages like wine.
RTD who (when he's writing at least) ages like milk and feels outdated by the time it goes into filming.
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>>221068404
Kek He's just counting down the hours until he can make some snide remarks about RTD in an interview
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>Moffat actually did reach out to Eccleston for the 50th
>everyone who fucked him over was gone
>he still declined, albeit politely
I still wish it'd been different
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>>221067347
Aye
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>>221069199
Eccleston was the best. Was good in Cracker too.
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>>221066491
I went on Reddit to see some spurging out about the news, but nobody really cares or seems upset. That's how badly RTD fucked it. The most ive found is someone saying "now all the alt-right anti woke people will pretend theyve won"
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Bowlestrek won
Nerdrotic won
Tharries lost
MrTardis lost
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>>221068966
The Piper stuff was apparently only added a few weeks before air date. Before that it was open-ended. I’d love to know what went on behind the scenes on that last series. What a shitshow.
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thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_O2QDBIQsY
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Is it too late to retcon the Timeless Child shit
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>>221069421
can't retcon something you dont consider canon in the first place
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>>221068675
Amongst stiff competition, the “AI generator” turning out to be the “AL generator” because the guy’s name was Alan was a low point for this era. Ironically felt like RTD wrote that episode with ChatGPT.
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>>221069421
That whole thing is so funny because they turbo raped the entire lore of the show but had already alienated 95% of fans so nobody even gave a shit
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>>221069320
Yeah he basically poisoned the well. I think most of us are just breathing a sigh of relief. Not necessarily happy to see it dead, just relieved we won't see it made to wear a dress, have the shit kicked out of it and get run over anymore.
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>>221069391
>Well, I suppose….one more lifetime won't kill anyone. Well, except me.
shows what you know

>>221069421
probably. RTD2 went and doubled down on it
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>>221069379
Funny how leaving an open ending due to unforeseen cancellation has happened to nuwho twice
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>>221069421
I would assume its dead now. I can't imagine a future reboot (hard or soft) would carry it forward, when having the Doctor just be a normal Time Lord is a much easier set up (and doesnt get audiences bogged down in retarded continuity)
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>>221066849
McGann’s a bit old now desu. Having said that, if the BBC really is out of ideas, they could always just adapt some of his better audio dramas for TV. At least that would bypass any of the damage that’s been done to the show post-2017
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>>221069490
Why the fuck would someone do a soft reboot? I've never met a single person who liked post COVID Who
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>>221066762
I pitched before something like this. The gist is the event itself occurs at the end of the universe and directly results in the state we see in Utopia, and it begins rewriting everything that happens before it to ensure its inevitability
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>>221066747
Don't forget
>fucked up Susan's return
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>>221069490
A soft reboot would just be like the 2005 one where they slowly reintroduce the old lore (picking and choosing which bits to bring back). I could see some production companies pitching that to keep the show's history etc. But I agree they just need to do a hard reboot now. There's too much baggage and while it was cute seeing old Doctors referenced, its lost it luster now (especially because there's like 15+ incarnations now)
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>>221069483
If the last minute Piper cameo was meant to strong arm the BBC or Disney into continuing with the show, it’s had the opposite effect. Who would want to take it on at this point?
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>>221068325
I would straight up blast that lil nigga in the ass
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So how the fuck do you retcon the Timeless child shit?
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Remember when old/who/ memed the McGann minisode into existence?
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>>221066762
Just stick Doctor Who in an alternate universe where you can reset everything and then slowly bring in your reimagined Daleks, Cybermen etc. That why you dont have to reference any of the character's history (beyond being a Time Lord)
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>>221069644
Have you even watched the show man? Cataclysmic shit gets retconned all the time. Often in the same episode it's introduced.
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>>221069612
Its very funny to me that RTD was so desperate to force the BBC to continue the show, yet he says he also hadn't written anything past that...
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Like wine
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>>221069539
honestly between this and her being Poppy's daughter this was the best option
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>>221069665
>Just stick Doctor Who in an alternate universe
As messy as this is, I don’t see another clear alternative. Didn’t Big Finish do something like that with David Warner?
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>>221069719
Replace the leading man with a nigger
Viewership plummets
Executives baffled

Why have I seen this happen like a hundred times? Is there something in the water? How do you get in charge of millions of dollars if you're this fucking retarded?
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>>221069644
The same way you retcon the time reapers from Father's Day or literally anything else. Just don't mention it and replace it with something new (and ideally better)
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>>221069659
good times
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>>221069771
>>221069659
not using mcgann as "the war doctor" was the dumbest thing they ever did.
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>>221069815
actually nevermind it isn't, but it was the start of the dumb shit

actually nevermind, the fact the time war was set up to be this insane thing in the RTD era and then it was just dudes with lasers in the 50th was just baffling
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>>221069815
He was literally written to be Eccleston
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>>221069695
I’m sure he’s also spoken in interviews about having written the script? Murray Gold mentioned having seen it too. So either they were just saying that to keep interest in the show alive, or Rusty has been sacked.
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>>221069746
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>>221066491
Has a single episode of television ever done more harm to its show?
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>>221069843
He 100% got sacked. You can read the bitterness from his response. Now he's trying to save face by saying he didn't have a script ready to begin with, over BBC rejecting his script and sacking him so they can search for someone else.
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>>221069593
Nah, the 2005 style reboot is exactly what we need. I think flat out rebooting the character from square one is stupid.
You just need to reset to a more standard form, and then never mention the more questionable aspects of continuity again. We all moved on from the McGann movie declaring the Doctor is half human. We all moved on from whatever the hell the Valeyard was supposed to be foreshadowing. We moved on from the idea that the Doctor has a secret name that opens a door or something. It doesn't really matter that much.
And then at some point, when everything is stable and settled you just lampshade it and say "remember that time the Master convinced me I was a magic space baby?", or something. You make it a joke, and you move on.
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>>221069872
All I remember is farts and a guy made out of snot
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>>221069885
We also moved on from Brains of Morbius implying there were previous incarnations of the Doctor before Hartnell, when The Five Doctors firmly said he was the first.
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I don't think you could pull off a reboot anymore

Something like Dalek, or the original master 3 parter, that's off the table. The audience knows what they are. They're not unfamiliar, the show is much bigger and it's much easier to re-watch old classics.

You can't redo 2005 you need to actually go further and innovate and bottle lightning. In 2026...when 95% of tv shows are irredeemably shit. I doubt it bros. I really doubt it
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>>221067318
>Zoe second
based Zoe appreciators
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>>221069872
those poor kids
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>>221069926
A hard reboot would just be another in a sea of remakes, and it would be pure nostalgiawank. Frankly they need to either find a way to retcon all that shit or just kill the franchise for some 10 or so years and do nu-nu-who later
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I have just got here. Why is this thread, that is about 3 hours old, so active. Has there been news or something?
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I'M HALF HUMAN, ON MY MOTHERS SIDE
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>>221069995
Read the fucking OP you fat retard
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>>221069885
The casting is a major problem now (along with the writing). They’d rather cancel it than go back to a straight white guy in the role. It needs to go on ice until the pendulum swings back again.
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>>221070004
Would be more kino if it was his father's side.
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Looking forward to some youtube videos full of schadenfreude
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>>221070004
When the glorified fanfic writers for BBC Books took that and this one fat chick inserted herself as the Doctor's human mother.
It was NuWho before NuWho.
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kek

https://x.com/OldRoberts953/status/2064742288354386052
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>>221070013
>until the pendulum swings back again.
nothing ever gets better
Things only get worse

I know that you've learned that by now. It's an unavoidable fact
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>>221066669
we'll have to deage natalie, obviously
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>>221070040
I 100% agree with Gareth on the tranny menace but he didn't need to have a meltdown and destroy his career
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>>221070040
Based Gareth.
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>>221070040
That's Gareth!
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>>221070047
Alan Moore Showrunner was be kino
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>>221069873
Yeah I agree. Just found the Murray Gold interview quote and he doesn’t sound like he’s making it up.
>“I know that Russell’s written, I think, multiple versions depending on certain outcomes… So that’s all I really know and I’m not sure I’m even supposed to know that.”
https://cultbox.co.uk/news/multiple-script-versions-written-for-2026-doctor-who-christmas-special
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>>221069926
So stop bringing back legacy villains. The 90's books more or less thrived on this format. I think out of those eighty-so books, a handful of them have any returning villains, because Virgin wanted people to bring new ideas to the table.
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no more regeneration for a new thread?
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>>221070093
Doctor Who is dead

time for /who/ to do the same
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>>221070093
>>221067189
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>>221070118
See you down the line /who/
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>>221066835
You betcha chickybabe *winks*
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>>221070013
I say stop caring, and hire a more traditional Doctor anyway.
About two loud people will get upset, and other people will just watch it and be happy.
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>>221070086
Unfortunately the BBC books went crazy with returning characters and villains
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>>221070142
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>>221070131
>>221070118
looks like that is not /who/
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>>221069873
>>221070085
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!
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REGENERATE!!!!!!!
>>221070329
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>>221070211
because /who/ is dead
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RTD raped me
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>>221070516
me too
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>>221070516
And me
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>>221070516
Good.
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>>221070516
We know, Chris
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>>221066669
hard reboot. people won't want to hear it but what reason is there not to? there are no side characters worth bringing back and the doctor himself is fucked beyond repair.
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>>221070606
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>>221066669
Reboot the timeline, make the show scary again
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>>221070646
>Chris' face hearing the news this morning
FANTASTIC
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>>221070702
RTD loves sack
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>>221066669
The Abzorbaloff comes back
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we're finished



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