>There’ll be no Christmas fun for the Doctor this year.> On Wednesday, The Hollywood Reporter received an update on the future of the BBC series, which said that the British public broadcaster has scrapped the previously promised Christmas special and will put Doctor Who out to “competitive tender.”> It’s a formal, open process in which the BBC invites independent production companies to pitch for production rights on an existing series, and they then pick a favorite. Basically, legendary showrunner Russell T. Davies and production company Bad Wolf are exiting the show.
>>221067189Good, I hope Doctor Who gets axed. The fanbase has been dead for years
>>221067189Was it ever good?
>>221067275Nope, only retard ever liked Dr Who. The fact it gay and woke and whatever the fuck now just gives people and the media something to talk about because no one would care otherwise.
>>221067275from eccleston to capaldi, yes
>>221067275i enjoyed the tennant and smith eras as they aired. but i was like 13. if dr who was as good now as it was then i wouldnt watch it, its just not appealinng anymore.
>>221069257>eccleston to capaldii have no idea what you mean, smith was the start of the end
>>221069475nah, moffat era was my favourite. my least favourite was tennant
It's a mercy at this point.
>>221069475thisTennant to Smith is the most you should do if you want to see another Doctor at all
>>221068240>ESL drivelKill yourself ranjeet
>“I know that Russell’s written, I think, multiple versions depending on certain outcomes… So that’s all I really know and I’m not sure I’m even supposed to know that.”https://cultbox.co.uk/news/multiple-script-versions-written-for-2026-doctor-who-christmas-special
>Will it stop anons? Will the desecration of Doctor Who stop?
>>221067275well, it had its moments
>>221067189I'm surprised they're still calling it the Christmas special.
Damn, if I had a nickel for everytime the Rani killed this show
>>221067189I just found out the news that Doctor Who has ended. Congratulations Doctor Who fans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wwnKfpNREs
>Doctor Who finally cancelled>Star Trek finally cancelled>Star Wars has its triumphant return to theaters for the first time in a decade - it becomes its biggest flop yetWhat else's death are we waiting on?
>>221067189>Hire an eccentric British white male>Hire a sexy female assistant >Occasionally add in another male or alien assistant for some banter >Write adventures in time and space featuring interesting locations, concepts and charactersIt's literally that easy
>>221067275https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0I71cnMG1Y
>>221070234MCU is banking everything on Doomsday doing well.
>>221070234Supergirl flopping so badly that it ends the Gunn era at DC
>>221070190>7th doctor>fights rani>kills the showpoetry
>>221070273>The Suicide Squad>Peacemaker>Creature Commandos>Superman>Supergirlwhat an era it was
>>221070260The wheels have been coming off the MCU in slow motion. It still has hits sometimes, but for the first time it has outright flops too. It'll probably be hard to put a stake through it yet.
>>221070234Whatever they try to do with Bond in film.
The Christmas special press release was just a knee jerk response from the BBC to Robert Shearman correctly pointing out that the show was dead. It was never going to happen.
>>221067189
>>221070244The only real question is do you hire an established actor people like and have requested (like Matt Berry), or do you audition lesser known actors. If you drop the whole idea that every Doctor needs to be more "diverse" than the last, but also appeal to the audience (which is a contradiction. Most of the audience feels a guttural aversion to gay race communism), running this show suddenly becomes very easy. >b-b-but then the "chuds" winAnd?
>>221067189>>221066491
>>221067189>shitlibs take over franchise>franchise diesits a tale as old as time
>>221070378>wallypostingStop being a wally.
>>221070373The people in London running this show may as well be from Mars. They’d rather cancel it than let the chuds win
>>221067189>I warned you this would happen, back in 2004. I warned you, but you didn't care to hear. Well, hear it now: I want them removed from canon. RTD1 and RTD2 both, and that fool Chibnall as well. Is that plain enough for you? I want the revival retconned!
>>221070244Paterson Joseph is honorary white.
>>221070373Ideally if you just go on hiatus until the 2040s you can do>starring Mohammad el-Sharif as The Doctor>and Khadijah Mahmoud as Nia>featuring Mehmed Muhammad as The Master>Fatima Mohammad as Prime Minister Aisha>and Ali Mohamad as General Muhammad Ali (no relation)
>>221069675Nuke England
>>221067189How can you scrap a British institution with 50 years worth of material?Just chuck a load of money at Peter Davison to make a stand alone Christmas themed episode
>>221070434hahahahahahahaso funnyyou're so clever and funnysuch a clever and funny post
>>221067189already discussed >>221064268
>>221070192yeah this kek
>>221067189>It’s a formal, open process in which the BBC invites independent production companies to pitch for production rights on an existing seriesMy money's on no one making a pitch
>>221067189I have been watching Classic Who, in no particular order of Doctors, over the last couple of years. Am I going to enjoy NuWho, I stopped when they made him a her, if I revisit any 9th to 12th or will I find it to just be bad and seeing the warning signs for where it was all going?
>>221070700the doctor was always a womxn you stupid chud
>>221067275The people working on NuWho were cowards for never doing The Referendum of Peladon.
Redditors had convinced themselves that the Christmas special had been filmed in secret
>>221070747What's their current reaction?
>>221070747of course kek
>>221067189Show´s been dead for a decade already though. Nobody considered anything after Capaldi Doctor Who already so i doubt this will have an impact at all. Furthermore the franchise needs at least another decade of rest, really wait until wokism is gone for good for any announcement of a comeback to have any kind of effect. People just won´t trust any takers right now enough to give them a chance even if any of them happens to have an actual good idea, which they most certainly won´t have.
>>221070747Why? Obviously cope. But why would they film it in secret? How would it even remain secret? What was the exact logic they had to obvious challenges?
>>221070244I would have accepted a black doctor if he wasn't such a flaming faggot.
Thank youThank youThank you Faggot T. Davies for running this long running series into the ground.
>>221070846Doctor Who was always woke.
>>221070846What does a revival or a reboot even look like at this point? A continuation of the show from this just carries all the baggage. If you reboot the show from fresh then it just seems like there is always the open door of them bringing whatever crap from now still into it. And that assumes, whether a soft revival or hard reboot, the creatives on it actually do a good enough job and there is interest besides.
>>221070911I don't know why you people struggle so hard with this. You just hit the backspace all the way back to Capaldi (if not McCoy).>b-b-b-b-but the hanging plot threads1. it's not real2. no one was watching it
>>221070911I agree. I’ll also add that a hard reboot would also have to ditch the good parts of the show’s long history in order to ditch the more recent retarded stuff. I can’t think of another franchise that’s been sullied this badly. There are no good options for where to go with it.
Making the Doctor a woman was the beginning of the end. How good the actress was is irrelevant. It’s a sci-fi franchise with a mostly male fanbase. The minute you make it a girly show (or, more recently, an openly, flamboyantly gay show) you lose most of your audience. You don’t need to be a TV marketing executive to understand why this failed.
>>221070984>I can’t think of another franchise that’s been sullied this badly.
>>221071057>It’s a sci-fi franchise with a mostly male fanbaseThis hasn't been even slightly true in 20 yearsUnfortunately by making the Doctor a woman you also alienate the show's real fanbase - fat weird women who desperately want to fuck a tall skinny dork, who treated David Tennant and Matt Smith, and the likes of Benedict Cumberbatch and Eddie Redmayne as ICBMs pointed directly at their ovaries
>>221071066What they’ve done to Doctor Who is easily worse than what’s been done to Star Trek
>>221071066wtf is Prodigy?
>>221071057I don't think it's impossible. If they wanted to they could definitely make it work. The only reason I personally would mind a female lead is because I know what sort of writing and changes to the show this show comes with. But you can work around that if you want and produce something that people can enjoy. Too bad they didn't even fucking try. And I even tried giving them a chance since Capaldi's second season was already kinda whatever, so how bad could it possibly be?
>>221071066Prodigy is good.
>>221070911>>221070984I am not convinced a reboot (as in completely wiping the slate clean and starting from another First Doctor) is even possible when people put forward that as a easily workable solution. Too much of an idea exists of what Doctor Who, meaning if you deviate from it then you get a backlash. Yet the minutiae of a lot of stuff is not agreed upon either as for what is the best or proper idea or design or explanation and whatever else. The more general risk is they either rehash the old stuff (and whatever problems that brings) or, what is maybe even worse, they try to be too clever and it becomes this stale lore by committee rather than, for whatever faults this also brings, organically developing. I do not see how someone rebooting the show, who is actually trying to think about the wider rules and setting, does not create, whether formally or informally, a show bible regarding a lot of the stuff. Just beyond trying to create a framework for the show, a lot of creatives will want to stamp there mark: they will not be this what the Daleks are like in the reboot, this is what the Time Lords are like in the reboot, this is the rules of regeneration in the reboot, this is baseline personality of the Doctor in the reboot and so and so on. There is just something about the show having once been malleable to being able to expand stuff, to retcon stuff, to redesign and so in a way I just do not see a new show get accepted as being because it does not really have that continuity to it.
With how the UK is going to hell right now the only way to restore Doctor Who in the future would be to not only have the Doctor be a white man but also have him be an unrepentant racist. Have him break the fourth wall to beat the shit out of RTD, Chibnall and all the other retards while yelling>I WAS NOT THE "TIMELESS NIGGER" AND I NEVER HAVE BEEN A TIMELESS NIGGERThen have him kick that fat black bitch "Doctor" into a Supernova of Non-Canon.Seriously though, return the Doctor to his imperial roots.
What if the show gets the James Bond treatment, and some studio makes it as a video game, creating their own Doctor in the process?That could actually be a really good little stop-gap, until the BBC pulls their shit together.Telltale are even "back".
>>221070891There are degrees of subtlety anon. Good writing can keep social commentary and the like in the subtext without breaking immersion. That is very different from openly discussing trans identity or contemporary racial issues in an adventure family friendly fantasy show. >>221070911You honestly can do as this anon>>221070955 says. Quite easily too. You just need a good in-universe way to retcon everything into an alternate timeline/ universe and you are set. Audiences will accept it because all they want is an excuse to do so. To this day many just won´t accept McGann and the whole "half human on my mother´s side" thing. It´s just memory locked or you know, denial.
>>221071159you've never heard "firestarter"?
>>221071057I am against making the Doctor woman on principle, but I am shocked they did nothing at all with the concept. /tv/ is earnestly trying would be able to come up with something that actually explored the idea more than what Chibnall did.
>>221071088No, it is true. Tumblr women confused the discourse by being loud and crass.The mass of Doctor Who fans was always firstly young British boys, and secondly slightly older British men who remembered it from childhood.
>>221071057Nah I was interested in seeing femDoctor. I even gave the 1st episode a try after checking out in season 5. These two are my dream casting for Doctor nig and Doctor foid btw.
>>221067189isn't this like the 5th time a showrunner gets axed? I'm starting to think the problem is the BBC and not Russel T Daviesso when is the next episode scheduled to release now?
>>221071057Doctor Who has always been a queer show.
>>221071088the Doctor has been surrounded by women who are more attractive than himself far longer than he has been the kind of Tumblr-obsessed character that 10 and 11 were
>>221069675This is woker than the wokest wokeshit America has ever awoke. Why are brits like this? And why do they elect authoritarian pedophiles?
>>221067275Yes. Nothing like being stoned and watching Tom Baker-era Who at 3am circa 1996 on PBS.
Doctor who was always "woke" I guess it just took them specifically saying it for /tv/ to take offense
>>221071210The biggest mistake they made, beyond just the obvious writing the show shit and the general production being bad, was attacking people pre-emptively misogynists and sexists, and doing the show is not for you and do not watch it cards. All that did was further anger people already against the idea, and pushed plenty of people on the fence to be against the show.
>>221071088They were there during Tennant’s core years. Matt Smith superwholock grandfathered in tumblr girls to liking Tennant.
>>221071316Last guy to play the Doctor openly told people not to watch it
>>221071183for me to poop on
>>221071312Posting an image from the other last season before cancellation doesn't help your argument.
so, believable or not? the cancellation of all planned episodes, the firing of the showrunner, and the fact that billie piper is forced there even if the new showrunner doesn't want her there means the future of doctor who is saved?
>>221071312Doctor Who, like Star Trek, was always racist, sexist and transphobic — just like reality is.
>>221071348what?
>>221071088Le Dr Who was always for Tumblr is revisionist rhetoric and is frankly not helpful. The fact is that the revival was a success was because of regular British folk. You had your dads who had fond memories of watching Jon Pertwee and Tom Baker etc. and going on to encourage their kids (I should know because I was one of those kids) to check out the new show in 2005. The dads appreciate the nostalgia (and Billie Piper), the mums watch for David Tennant and John Barrowman (which is why casting a quirk chungus woman to play the Doctor was such a dumb idea), and the kids watch for Daleks and Cybermen and all that. It wasn't until the Capaldi era that the Tumblr fucktardation really took over the show.
The only good Doctor was the War Doctor and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.I dont care for quirky basedboys being LE ZANY AND WACKY pretending their magic disposable are wands
>>221071057I say you are partly right. A lot of the core fanbase did not want the change, and those that were more open to the idea would have wanted it being handled differently to what it was. A lot of the casual audience and general public never meaningfully supported the idea of the Doctor being a woman; it is the sort of thing people say yes to so they do not get accused of being sexist, or they say yes to because they have not really thought out the consequences, or they say yes to because they do not even watch Doctor Who. A lot of young boys, rightfully or wrongly, are not going to identify with a female Doctor - and it was Peter Davison who made some point about how he is a good role model for young boys and taking that away is wrong. Yet, where you are sort of wrong is regarding is not accounting most women watching the show do not really want a female Doctor.
>>221070373>guttural aversion to gay race communismthe point is for idiots like you to conflate obnoxious "trans rights" activism with socialism/communism, the most hated ideology of the western transnational capitalist class. it's all social engineering.
>>221071376>me when I’m being a lil whacky
>>221071312Doctor Who was always a BBC science fiction show aimed predominantly at children, and only occasionally got infiltrated by annoying ideologues who tried to make it about their own politics.There's very little "woke" in the Tom Baker era, because none of the showrunners were crypto-commies in that era. Instead it's just a lot of monster stories, and Douglass Adams writing flippant nonsense.
>>221071376>The only good Doctor was the War DoctorLol sure if you're a pleb who has never watched anything before 2005.
>>221071441>Peter Davison who made some point about how he is a good role model for young boysbut on the opposite of that Patrick Troughton said that the Doctor could be any race or gender
https://strawpoll.com/ajnE1vzAMnW
>>221071443Calm down dear. Ave a digestive.People are sick of the weird shit on telly, alright?
>>221071461the non woke tom baker era where there's an anti-capatalism story
>>221071501what about the anti-tax one
>>221071483I don't necessarily even disagree. The issue is they were always going to fuck it up in this era, and part of the reason why there was such an aversion to the female Doctor in the 2010s before they even got 13th was due to people knowing it was going to be handled so poorly.
>>221071501Being mildly critical of out of control capitalism is left-of-center at best. It's not "woke". It was never "woke".Woke is downstream from black conspiracy theories, and feminists hijacking their language to talk about how "men bad" because "rape culture" or something.
>>221071483Patrick Troughton who wanted to play the Doctor in blackface.
>>221071547and when does any of that exactly happen in Doctor Who?
>>221071564Everything since Thin Ice?
I dont care about SmithFootfaced weird looking faggot
>>221071564You watched the show at all these past ten years?
>>221067275Eccleson to Capaldi but the woke got bad in Capaldi last season. Im going to watch old who now to see.
>>221071586>>221071574mentioning that the doctor is black or a woman in passing isn't "woke" the doctor talks about how they look all the time
>>221071600my favorite non woke doctor chris eccleson
>>221071610The Doctor being made black or a woman is itself downstream from woke politics, which dictate that it is wrong for white men to have any cultural spaces of their own.
>>221071574There was also cringe misandrist shite in 2015 because Moffat had to self-flagellate.
Nobody cared about Martha being black or Rose's boyfriend being black because they were likable normal characters that weren't just "I'm black and THEN a character".
>>221070260They are fucked. Even if doomsday does well they got nothing after. They are trying to keep the fantastic four post reset and bring in a black Xavier/magneto in the civil rights era.
>>221071483I think that all sounds nice and good but, at least the gender one seems to actually ignore the reality of it even in the era Troughton was the Doctor. It is compounded even more now if you take the NuWho audience of women wanting to self-insert as the companions but, that is irrelevant to the main point. Ultimately, most young lads watching it are going be more interested in it being a male Doctor, and Davison's actual point besides was it was the Doctor as a specific male role model for boys. Even if say boys still were really really hyped and positively responsive to a female Doctor, it does not change the fact that a male role model has erased. It is even more ridiculous they did so given even back then the media was complaining about toxic masculinity.
>>221071644The Doctor is an Alien who can change their face to anything, there's much more bigger problems with the show than the woke boogeyman
>>221071637It's funny because Eccleston hated Barrowman for being a "bent cunt" who was always getting his cock out.
>>221070373I don't think matt berry would work as Doctor Who
>>221067189>legendary showrunner Russell T. Davies
>>221071667The Doctor is implicitly a British man, and you understand this.It's like saying Superman isn't an American. No, Superman is an American. He's an alien super American. that's the point.
>>221071637Eccleston despises this guy btw. More RTD nonsense.
>>221071659well that's also because the rights obsession with crying about woke didn't exist than
>>221067189>sacked russell t davies>sacked jane tranter>sacked phil collinson>sacked julie gardnerhe won
>>221071719Rent free
>>221067189If I was calling the shots I'd give it to the Inside No9/League of Gentlemen team.And by that I don't mean ONLY Mark Gatiss but the entire team.I think that's the best that can salvaged out of this. I think they'd do quite well with the franchise.
"Gallifrey" is a metaphor for the British upper class. It's ancient and culturally stagnant, they all go to the same school, they have "lords".this franchise is just Britain all the way down. That's the point.
>>221071695Seven and Twelve are both canonically Scottish thoughbeit
>>221071782And?
>>221071782The SNP may not like it, but Scottish is British.
>>221070192We got her done.
>>221067275Classic, yes.NuWho, no. unless you're gay or a teenage girl.
>>221071805That means the Doctor isn't exclusively British, the only actual exclusive thing about the Doctor is that they were a timelord
So what? The Doctor is now stuck with Rose as a face for the hiatus 2.0?
>>221071748This. It's like how Star Trek is essentially AMERICA FUCK YEAH MUH FREEDOM in space.
>>221071859*raises eyebrow like "is this nigga serious"
>>221071655Moffat just wrote his fetishes into it.
>>221070418>conveniently fails to mention Moffat
>>221071719No, it's because characters were written to be characters first and no have their race be their entire character. Nor was bad writing shielded by spouting "bigotry!".Can you really not understand the difference between Chris Tucker playing a gay loud nigga in Fifth Element and the gay nigga in Doctor Who?Or Martha who is a hot chick who just happens to be black vs that weird Capaldi mutt ugly chick and having scenes "England was always black!"?I rrwatch Luther that has a black British cop with a jeeta wife and has an affair with a redhead white woman, and the characters are actual characters.
>>221070434>written and created by Russell T Davies
>competitive tenderI can't imagine any company going for this,unless they get to buy the IP, which BBC won'tdo.
>>221071899>Can you really not understand the difference between Chris Tucker playing a gay loud nigga in Fifth Element and the gay nigga in Doctor Who?One is not a main character and the other one is?One is given a pass due to nostalgia, and the other one isn't?
>>221071944You think one of those jap toku companies will consider it? It's right up their alley.
>>221071899>Chris Tucker playing a gay loud nigga in Fifth Elementruby rhod is superstraight
>>221071748Hell, "The Deadly Assassin" is famous for being one of the only stories with no women (the other being "Mission to the Unknown"), just dozens upon dozens of men. You also have the Earth Empire of the future which is a not entirely flattering analogy to the British Empire. Gotta love how that's all been thrown out of the window for the sake of making everything brown and gay.
>>221069711Well said
>>221071928The "Rose" novelization is strangely nasty and mean-spirited compared to the episode
>>221067189>British public broadcaster has scrapped the previously promised Christmas special and will put Doctor Who out to “competitive tender.”What now? Why are the English so bad at English?
This just sounds like they want to finally do an animated series.
>tfw it is too late for a 8th Doctor miniserieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiZd89WCkpA
>>221071862It's funny to think that there will be no equivalent to the VNAs, it's just gonna be Big Finish continue to wank off stories of decades past. Shit, McGann only had one TV movie and even he ended up having a book series, a comic series and an audio series all running side-by-side before the revival came along.The books aren't a problem since they've been dwindling in releases for years. DWM will probably ditch Fifteen to make comics for older Doctors like that recent one they did with Peter Davison. I wonder if Ncuti will swallow his pride and join Big Finish like Jodie did. We know he's not gonna have any big screen career so he'll probably have no choice in the matter.
>>221067189>BasicallySo Russell is still there, then? Another round of nothing ever happens
>>221070875The IT crowd guy would had been a good Doctor
>/tv/ wants you to believe that this show hasn't always been "woke", and the actual problem with 13 and 14s runs was poor writing and not race or gender.https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1781115762231861.mp4
>>221071944It’s a euphemism for cancellation. Of course, the BBC will never say it’s cancelled, but no serious production company will be eager to touch this show given the state that it’s in and where it left off.
>>221071952No, one is a play on David Bowie types, the loud flamboyant skinny dude who seems really zesty but is aggressively heterosexual with great fun writing, and the other had awful writing that tried to shield itself by calling everyone a racist and complaining about lack of diversity and representation, thinking that everyone should like the new awful iteration of the doctor because WOAAW HE IS BLACK AND GAY!
>>221069675And the average chud wants me to feel bad for what certain demographics are doing to the bongs lmao, I say good riddance and I hope it becomes more common
>>221072102*13 and 15
>>221072087Like I said before, someone needs to just make a new Doctor. The best thing would be a video game, which can then spinoff into books and what have you.As it stands, the franchise is generating nothing. No one is going to want to buy books about the Billie Piper Doctor. It's a dead end.
>>221072087Is anyone going to actually buy that stuff though in enough numbers as to sustain it. I do not see the interest being there.
>>221071899the main problem of RTD1 and Moffat wasn't racism-oriented wokery but rather proto-feminist deconstruction of the Doctor to make him a wimp who can't behave without an average girl telling him how to.it was still woke, but more insidiously so. and you couldn't tell if you were a kid and didn't already know the TRUE Doctor from Classic.
Richard Ayode or Idris Elba, not memeing, wouldve been perfect acceptable choices for a black doctor, for woke or normal audiences.Instead they get the most broken buck in the world.
>>221072102I also find the third Doctor's era to be preachy and insufferable. That was one of the eras where commies were writing a lot of it. This is well documented. That's why Troughton and Baker were better.
>>221071952Chris Tucker's character in Fifth Element is supposed to be annoying. As a viewer, you emphasis with Bruce Willis, who has to spend time with this annoying pampered celebrity retard.
>>221072102>>221072173I agree with the Brigadier about doing, but always seem weird to me how the Doctor calls what he does get the Silurians genocide and yet is still chummy with him. If the document is the Doctor new Brigadier was only following orders then I guess the Doctor is fine with that Nuremberg defense.
>>221071928Woke shit aside, I really don't like this expansion shit they have a habit of doing in the new novelizations. For instance here, Rose happens to see pictures of literally every Doctor at the time of publication but coincidentally misses the one of Tennant. I much prefer the televised version where Clive is only following the Ninth Doctor. Maybe he has a vague awareness of other Doctors but don't go beyond that, it's better to have these people think they've figured it out when they've barely scratched the surface.Then you have this nonsense from the TARDIS Wiki.>https://tardis.wiki/wiki/LINDA>Overall, LINDA had managed to identify fourteen of the Doctor's incarnations, beginning with the numbered incarnations from the First to Thirteenth Doctors, before gaining knowledge of the War Doctor through second-hand files obtained by Colin Skinner at a UNIT car boot sale. They later heard rumours of many more incarnations including, but not limited to, a woman in Gloucester called Ruth, and a curator at the National Gallery.So apparently the chucklefucks from "Love & Monsters" were aware that Ruth was the Doctor when even she herself didn't know she was the Doctor at that point. These guys were on to her before the Gallifreyan Black Ops. Just lmao
>>221072158I feel like the "guy who focus too much on details and cant see the big picture until a younger girl tells him this and that" has always been a trope, before woke, in DW or not.
>>221071312>it was always gay and fakenice historical revisionism
>>221072102I can agree with most of those 70's "progressive" and "leftist" takes, but modern day "woke" is just too deranged, ill-willed and dishonest.
>>221070373>The only real question is do you hire an established actor people like and have requested (like Matt Berry)At this point Matt Berry is so far above Doctor Who it's almost an insult to put him in the running. And at the same time up and coming actors don't want the brand to kneecap their careers, it's that toxic. The only thing they can do is let the franchise rest another 15 years and then do a hard reboot. No 16th Doctor or any of the mess that this era left behind. By then woke will have blown over anyway.
>>221071859Scotland is in Britain you dumb fuck
>>221072102NuWho has always been ‘woke’, but they only started beating you about the head with it around 2017. Up until that point you could mostly ignore the woke stuff because the plot was semi-decent.
>>221072226Ace was supposed to be a lesbian and the show is indeed fake
eternal forevermore semper aye reminder
>>221072102Depending on what year this is, this is likely about the Irish or Scottish, not third world immigrants
>>221072102I presume this bait in which case here is your (You), but this is the same bullshit argument of trying to pretend 1960s Star Trek is anything like 2020s Star Trek.
>>221072267the doctor is an immigrant!!!!
>>221071958Absolutely not because this sort of shit has never worked out well for them. You have Tsuburaya which had to deal with that fucker from Thailand claiming ownership of Ultraman for decades and then you have Toei signing away the Sentai rights to that jew Saban and living to regret it. They wouldn't do a deal with the Beeb in a million years.
the non progressive/woke classic who era where Romana was smarter than the doctor
>>221072221it's not a "guy" as in thirty-something.it's a 900-year-old alien and a 19-year-old chav. the companion IS supposed to be a foil when the Doctor is around.
>>221072297Romana sucked, 1 and 2. 4 went downhill after Leela left and his tenure was already running on fumes at that point
>>221072322City of DeathKeeper of TrakenLogopolisThe Pirate PlanetThe Stones of BloodThe Androids of TaraThe Armageddon Factorall great post Leela Stories
>>221072297... who although academic had limited real understanding of the universe compared to the Doctor, got put into bondage, and whose actress left after a single season because she felt the character became a damsel.
>>221072362in her introduction episode she's presented as smarter than the doctor , poor writing doesn't change that
>>221072087VNA? What does that mean?
>>221072102This exchange hasn't aged well but the thing to remember is that it was much easier to film something like this with integrity in 1970 than it would be in 2026 while the country is burning.What's also changed is the Doctor objecting to the Brigadier blowing the Silurians. Back then, you understood the Doctor's anger but you also understood why the Brig did what he did, whereas today the Doctor would be 100% right and the Brig would be 100% wrong. Hell, even in 2008 you had RTD throw his hands up and admit that Harriet Jones had a point when she ordered a drone strike on that Sycorax children's hospital.
>>221072173The 3rd Doctor had a better era than 1, 2 4 and 5.
Doctor Who only had ONE good episode and we all know which one it is.
>>221072388She is presented as being book smart yet lacking real experience like the Doctor who is more defined by guile and being a trickster. People do not question her intelligence, she did do better at the academy that than the Doctor, the show very much as the show also very much presents her as lacking real world experience.
>>221072267At the start he says Mr Chin so he's probably talking about Chinese people.
>>221071748The old series was written by a set of writers who were divided between delivering serious critiques of this British establishment and creating apologia for the same. Both in all earnestness. Usually this would mean some episodes showed the Time-Lords as being basically decent, even when antagonistic to the Doctor, even when corrupt or venal, and other episodes showed them as villains, even though they might have a lot of good people or intentions. But the balance between them gave us a lot of the real tension in the old series. The nuWho doesn't have the same dialectic driving it. At the start it seemed like some kind of split between people who were all for the neoliberal world order, and people who would still respect local customs, but it quickly developed into a vehicle for a particular neoliberal message. >>221071865That's a good example of a similar thing. TOS Star Trek was written by some people who really bought into the Pax Americana, and other people who were straight up critical of it. Modern Star Trek doesn't really have a split like this, the tension since Disco is between appealing to the older fans and serving the message they want to send.
People who say stuff like "Doctor Who has always been woke" are prisoner-of-the-moment midwits who can't parse between occasional subtly left-leaning themes in older stories and the more prevalent liberal undertones that intensified since the start of NuWho and eventually became unbearable towards the end of Capaldi's run and beyond. No, the Doctor opposing racism in the 80s is absolutely not the same ideological stance as the modern humiliation rituals he has suffered through (being called "male-presenting", being chastised about pronouns, Moffat's cringiest misandrist lines, etc.)
Imagine the timeline where they decide that after Lalla Ward left there was going to be a Romana III as her replacement.
>>221072362Romana II > Romana IThey were right to ditch the uppity bint for a cutesy blonde bird who was gagging for the BBC (Big Baker Cock). It was borderline bimbofication and I'm all for it.
>>221072467>Mr Ching Chong, England is for everyone!Bravo, Moffat
>>221067275No, honestly. A friend once asked whether he should get into Doctor Who and my response was “there are more terrible episodes than great ones and those in between are barely adequate on average.”
>>221072259
>>221071928>>221071979>>221072218this stuff gives me the ick
>>221072472Would that be Janet Fielding as Romana given she was cast to THE female companion for 5th before that also added in Nyssa last minute?
>>221072472and he should he played by a male actor.
Considering Disney was responsible for the last two seasons can we blame them for this along with how Star Wars and Marvel have turned out?
>>221072501Mary was hotter though.
>>221072521I always Nyssa was, although not like-for-like, basically the same broad idea of Romana again. Though I suppose Romana and Nyssa are also rooted in a Zoe type character.
These fucking bongs can't get anything right
>>221072472Sarah Sutton plays Romana III and Janet Fielding plays bi-generated Romana IV. Nicola Bryant plays Romana V, Bonnie Langford plays Romana VI, Sophie Aldred plays Romana VII etc.
>>221072534it was shit and doomed to fail since 2005. Disney was just a secondary infection on an AIDS patient.
>>221072533No way, no pun intended, they would have had the balls. This reminds me how I think that Dax in DS9 should have become a man when Jadzia's actress left if they really wanted to hammer home the symbiont concept. But I also get wanting waifus for the show.
>>221072467>>221072504I wonder if Mr Ching Chong is a descendant of Madame Ching from Legend of the Sea Devils. It would be funny because it's around this time that The Sea Devils took place.
>>221072567You tell them Craig!
>>221070886He opened it up to a wider audience, and for every chud they lost they gained five queers.
>>221072507If the show remains dead until 2034 she could overtake McGann's "run" with even less screentime
>>221072507If we're counting the Wilderness Years than McCoy and McGann are roughly neck and neck at nine years each. Could she beat that?
>>221072611Time for a Sharpe rehash, bring back ol' Beansy & have him play stern but fair rapscallion general. It'll unify the country again.
>>221072534BBC lied to Disney about what Doctor Who was so they could secure funding. They sold it as another MCU shared universe that was rife for spinoffs and crossovers. Once Disney saw what Doctor Who ACTUALLY was, they couldn't pull out fast enough.
>>221072570If there is bi-generated Romana who is following which Romana exactly. You would need Sarah Sutton to be Romana IIIa and Janet Fielding to be Romana IIIb.
>>221072424It's boring, and I don't like him as a character. He's up his own arse.
The show died with Jack Harkness
>>221072570>>221072650Imagine the lesbian shipping there would be between two Romana's travelling together.
>>221072501I will say Romana II had the superior wardrobe.
>>221072533Somewhat surprising they never did that in Nu. I am sure they would have got around to if RTD2 got another season.
>>221072650Romana IV (Janet Fielding) bi-generates from Romana III (Sarah Sutton) in Logopolis. Romana III then disappears up Romana IV's arse in Terminus or whatever eventually happens to the Fourteenth Doctor and Mrs Flood. Romana IV regenerates as normal at the end of Resurrection of the Daleks and then Planet of Fire opens with Romana V in a bikini.
>>221070911>>221070955Go all Faction Paradox schizo fever dream.
>>221072764I'm surprised Russell didn't get the idea to make Rogue a male Romana and tie him into all his Rani/Pantheon/Susan/Gallifrey/The Boss lore shite. I still remember before his episode aired and the word was that he was a male regeneration of River Song.
>>221072786The question is: does Romana return in NuWho in this alternate timeline?
Tumultuous? Wouldn't know. Quit watching like a decade plus ago
>>221072644Based BBC bullshitting Disney HARD>yeah so it's like marvel and shit>ratings plummeting? cancellation? nah bro the show's in great shape, honest guv
>>221072644If this was true, you would think with all the money involved, there should be someone to tell Disney people it's a bad idea or that it doesn't work this way.
>>221071661>bring in a black Xavier/magneto in the civil rights era.If this happens the MCU is deadNo one wants negro Magneto or XavierIt's as bad as black Snape
>>221072933>Kill yourself
>>221070234Just waiting for Attenborough
>>221072953Did anyone tell Disney not to turn Star Wars and Marvel into girl power brands? That black Captain America and The Marvels were bad ideas?>>221072975Only Giancarlo Esposito could pull off black Charles Xavier.
except it's actually the previous episode lol.
>>221073077Who killed it?
>>221073013Can't wait to see him narrate his funeral
>>221073102Beauty.
>>221073102its own AIDS that infected it since it had gay sex in 2005. the secondary infections just got worse over time and people thought they could just cure them without identifying the proper underlying cause.
>>221072241they're the same people retard
>>221072644I mean, in theory it is rife for spinoffs.Problem is no one even wants one show from modern day RTD.I could pitch ten spinoffs right now.>slightly grittier grown up X Files type show about UNIT>big grand space opera bullshit about Gallifrey's history>the further adventures of the 8th Doctor (a show effectively aimed at classic series fans, with more of an old series sensibility about it. Less loud music and bombast. More thoughtful, talky kinds of plots)>the further adventures of the 14th Doctor (It's a David Tennant vehicle. Do whatever)>a Victorian paranormal investigations type show>a time agency show>a Starship Troopers style action show about a future Earth empire. The Sontarans are there. Maybe Absolom Daak is there>The further adventures of Captain Jack in America>a show about kids living in dilapidated 60's London. Kind of Stranger Things meets and Unearthly Child. A baddie Timelord is searching for traces of the Doctor.>a show about punks and anarchists in the 80's. Potentially featuring a recast Ace. Cybermen as villains? Themes of rebellion vs order. You get the idea
>>221070234I can live without new terminator movies.
>>221073077Fitting how the man who brought it back was the one who killed it. Wouldn’t have it any other way.
>>221067275Yeah. There are some brilliant episodes. I don't know what happened to it.https://youtube.com/watch?v=L0RHX4to62w
>>221073229Terminator has somehow been on life support for 25 yearsAbsolutely nothing it's ever done this millennium has actually succeeded yet they drag it out and try again anyway
>>221072644Given that Torchwood and the Sarah Jane show happened under RTD it is not that unreasonable of an argument to make. Now should Doctor Who be doing that sort of thing is a different question entirely but, I am not surprised at all Disney brought the pitch.
>>221073352>plagiarised on the EUall good NuWho episodes are like this.
>>221073352Why would you make this short clip of the episode and upload it to YouTube?
>>221067275Aye
They had to cancel the whole show because they couldn’t find anyone more woke than a gay Rwandan refugee with an Equity card willing to play the role
>>221073408she might have lost her boobs but the chav legs are definitely still there.
>>221073437I wouldn't bet on that if I were you.
Doctor Who Will Return…as a CBeebies animated series.
>>221067189Tom Baker has lived long enough to see Doctor Who die twice.
>>221073982Giga Curator-sama, I kneel.
>>221071883>>221072251Laughed very hard for some reason
>>221071312What does eds look like?
>>221073437I was looking forward to seeing how far BBC would take this. Cast a bald black woman as the next Doctor. With a nonbinary little person with Vitaligo as the companion. They thought they were untouchable.
Wtf
>>221073408the flirting with clara was great. i miss her
>>221067189Fuck you Chinball and RTD for running this show into the ground
>>221071348The arrogance that faggot is obscene.
>>221073982based
The funniest thing about RTD’s instagram statement is that you can tell he didn’t leave on good terms. Didn’t thank the cast or crew. Just undertones of seethe.
Man, I still remember all the great memes and /who/ threads from the Matt Smith up to the Capaldi era. SPLINKRose loved drugsDoctor WhoreThose were the days...
>>221074424THEY DIDN'T TEAR UP THE SCRIPT FOR MY CHRISTMAS SPECIAL BECAUSE UH... I'D NEVER WRITTEN IT! YEAH!
>>221067275Only when it was still in black & white
>>221071066>Red Dwarf dead>Battlestar Galactica dead>Stargate dead>Trek dead>Wars dying slowly>Gundam zombying along
>>221071600Missy was the beginning of the end.>>221071702Understandable, Borrowman was literally slapping his cock on things.
>>221074424This whole saga is just him being genuinely shocked over and over that people don't want Doctor Who to become gay race communism. Because to him, it's always been gay race communism. He just made it so people in the very back rows could see it. It's the same thing when Alex Kurtzman was surprised people didn't want Star Trek: CW Teen Drama.
>>221071187Scott Adkins as the Doctor going around beating the shit out of aliens and minorities would get me to watch
>>221074524Where is he?
>>221074477Yeah, that line about never having written a script for the special is such bullshit especially knowing that Russell, going back to the 2000s, has always plotted shit way in advance. Fuck, last year he was saying he had scripts for season 3 and was planning for season 4!
>>221074486
>>221074625"All the times I said I'd written it? That was all an elaborate ruse. Especially the time Marigold said I'd written multiple versions!"
>>221074619dead
>>221073408
It's okay. They'll have a Ramadan special.
>>221074500The thing is a lot of these "franchises" should never have been franchises in the first place. You have all those movie "franchises" like Jurassic Park, Ghostbusters, Terminator etc. which never needed anything else beyond the first two or three movies. As for TV, Galactica doesn't need another reboot. Stargate and Red Dwarf had a good run and should just be allowed to rest in peace. Especially Red Dwarf, the recent stuff they've done is fine imo but at the end of the day that IP will live and die with those old smegheads. I dread the day that some dipshit gets the idea to reboot that for a new generation, it would just be so cringe.
>>221074598... did they fuck?
>>221074727Russell would love that since it'd give him an opportunity to stick his arse up in the air when everyone prays.
My vote is Karl Urban as Docta 'Oo and Sławomir Sobala as the Master.
>>221067189eclesston era has neat points like last dalek and the mystery behind why he's the last time lord is nice till they ruin that too. Tennant era has some good episodes but isn't bad. Then I stopped watching.
I'm down for a few years of the show being dead and then coming back with a much smaller budget and a more passionate team behind it. Maybe a decade of no new show would be for the best. Besides, I'm still working through Classic Who and there's so many Big Finish audios I need to catch up on.
>>221074743>reboot that for a new generationWasn't that exactly what Rob Grant was going to do before he died? Tangentially there was also something about Dough Naylor doing a deepfake de-aging test with Craig Charles.
>>221074807>ME WOIFE'S SONNcuti's Doctor is already a cuckold.
Thank fuck it's over
>>221071370Off his meds
>>221074854Too bad you missed the best era of the show.
>>221069475Smith was when I stopped watching. Eccleston and Tennant were great.
>>221074948>Too bad you missed the best era of the show.Agree to disagree, didn't like the new actor, stories got worse, writing got worse all throughout tennants run so I dropped it.
>>221074854I see a lot of people on here talk about they tuned out sometime around the Tennant-Smith-Capaldi eras. In my opinion those seasons are worth revisiting to completion but anything after that is not. Capaldi got done dirty with a lot of the writing for his stint (I think his first two finales are pretty poor) but the Smith era in particular certainly has some overlooked gems
>>221071348What's his deal trying to gaslight people all the time?
>>221074969>>221074974RTDtoddlers
>>221074996Capaldi has the best writing of the entire show and Hell Bent is one of the best finales.
>>221074996I dipped midway through Capaldi because his writing was so inconsistent. I felt a lot of his scripts were lifeless and unpolished. And it looks like I made the right call since everything that came after was abysmal dogshit.
Rose was always my favorite companion to be honest with you guys. I'm sad we don't get to see more of her.
>>221067275It was always cringy garbage
>>221075419Which one?
>>221075417
>>221075134Capaldi was better in S8 before they decided to make him into le quirky feminist space boomer
>>221075691He was kino in series 9.
>>221075134Fair honestly, between episodes like Sleep No More and In the Forest of the Night it is true that he has more real stinkers than any prior NuWho doctor. Season 10 is probably the worst individual season out of any NuWho but I think the excellent finale makes it worth watching at least once. It's still the last decent season finale the show has produced.
>>221076638Series 10 > Series 4
>>221075098Hell Bent fucking sucks and is probably one of the most overrated Who ever produced. It totally pisses away the excellent setup of Heaven Sent with this really unsatisfying mesh of resolving both the Gallifrey arc and Clara's retarded Ashildr arc where she ends up basically becoming a Doctor clone despite initially dying because she was trying too hard to become the Doctor. Literal hype moments and aura writing style with such little substance
>>221076704Hell Bent > Journey's End
>>221076704The worst part about Hell Bent is it wastes the perfect setup. The Raven will hunt down Clara anywhere in time and space. Gallifrey is hidden outside of time and space. Clara is safe as long as she stays on Gallifrey, and the Doctor has to decide if he stays with her or runs away alone.
>>221076638They were running out of steam by Series 10. Apart from Extremis and the final two parter that series was mediocre at best. The series should’ve ended with The Doctor Falls.
>mfw no 8 episodes mini series Time Lord Victorious with Tennant as a shakespearean tragic villain figure ruling an ungrateful universe. make it trippy and dreamy af.
>>221071185A show bible is not far off. This and other long-lived major properties like Star Wars are kind of religions with their own mythos at this point. If you tread upon the myths and break the rules, the people leave and establish their own sect of the "religion". You could label it childish and ridiculous, but that is nonetheless what is happening with all this stuff.
>>221076797I still remember being so disappointed with the rest of the Monk trilogy after what was a pretty decent setup in Extremis. I think the Moffat era overall has aged pretty well but he was definitely running out of ideas by that point. Also idgaf about whether kids could buy sonic screwdrivers or not, sonic shades were and always have been cringe af
>>221067275the eccleston season is the only doctor who I ever thought was good and my mom and sisters had tons of it from all over the series blasting through the house nonstop alongside harry potter audiobooks. I saw plenty. literally everything other than eccleston who is lame and feminine and/or gay
>>221077388Even the old stuff?
>>221070911If the new writers could subtly write the recent history of the doctor away by stamping it with a label, an era in the time Lord saga, that was wrought with issues slightly related to the real world (they can do this), I think there's a chance it regains steam with original audience. It has to be an apology. I doubt any Brit company would do it tho. They'll probably just double down until it gets fully cancelled in 2 years
Her silence is deafening.
>>221077691Not a real tranny.
>>221077691Do you expect a widow to share her grief on a podium?
