>>221475371

"Nikki, present your bare feet to me with your soles pressed together creating a footpussy"

Kino.

micromanaging an automaton sounds tiresome

>movie is essentially 2 hours of a QT getting magically raped, concluding with her wails of despair over the ending credits
>makes a gorjillion dollars
What did society mean by this?

>>221475526
I mean, is that not what those robot sex dolls are going to be in the very near future? I'd take one if I weren't so poor

Would you trade your oneitis' soul for 1 wish? She is absolutely never going to love you.

>>221475371
He didn't even think it was real dumbass. He was just talking to himself about how nice it would be to be loved

>>221475371
If he had just said "I wish she loved me" like a normal person and not a spazz everything would have been perfect.

>>221475371
Bear should have just abandoned her and let her get arrested and have her go to prison or the mental ward.

>>221475656
But will she send butthole pics?

>>221475656
i'm not gay so a partner with a soul was never an option

>Nikki, when you need to go to the bathroom you no longer need to use a toilet, as my mouth has now become the only toilet you will ever need

Why didn't they write this into the film?

>>221475371
who is this white jezebel shedevil

>wishing for this shit instead of just infinite gorillion dollars to live the live of the Dubai sheikh flying out ukranian models to be your toilets
Holy fucking oneitis retard

>I wish Nikki felt about me the way that I feel about her

Perfect, then as and when you fall out of love it's a nice easy break up, or you stay happy together forever.

>>221475371
>Why did he phrase it so strangely?
Because he didn't think it would work. Did you even watch the fucking film?
>I wish Nikki obeyed any command I gave her with perfect accuracy.
She would turn into a living fleshlight, unable to exercise anything close to a personality or engage in conversation. People thought he was taking advantage of her as was. This would make it so much worse.

>>221476688
>"I really like the way her pussy feels around my cock"
>"Hey Bear, my strap-on just arrived! Did you look into the gender reassignment clinic I told you about?"

>>221475371
He didn't know that the wish was gonna work, and even after she was acting crazy he still wanted it to work because of how desperate he was.

>>221476741
>She would turn into a living fleshlight, unable to exercise anything close to a personality or engage in conversation.
That seemed to be precisely his goal. Especially in the smash cut (heh) from the restaurant to him fucking her.

>>221475371
>"I wish the girl I love loved me back"
>the girl you love doesn't actually love you back
>she instead gets forced to suffer in the subconscious of a psychotic alter ego
>the alter ego gains the ability to move around in unnatural ways
>it shits and pisses on your floor then eats it
>it murders your friends
I don't think the spell worked properly

>>221475371
>why didn't this stupid movie do smart thing?

>>221475714
That is fundamentally what he said though. He just added a "more than everyone in the fucking world", which shouldn't have changed how the magic worked. Did the genie just not like swear words?

>>221475371
because it wasnt a real wish that he made, he didnt know it was real you stone cold moron. JFC how low has the IQ gotten around here?

> It bothered my how retarded Bear was.
No this is YOU. You are the fucking retarded one

I didn't get why she was moving backwards at seemingly random times.

>>221475656
His oneitis was getting plowed by his best friend.

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>>221475526
nuh-uh.

>>221477196
He wished that Nikki would love him.
That Nikki didn't love him. So a new version of Nikki inhabited her body who did love him. Not that complicated.
>inb4 BUT THAT'S NOT NIKKI!
It's a different version of her
>but why did she murder his friends?
The wish-granting entity was malicious for the sake of banter

>>221477253
Wording it that way meant she loved him even more than herself or her own well being.

>>221477548
>>221477253
A fun twist for a different story could have been her growing to hate him, meaning she had to hate the entire rest of the world (and herself) even more and thus become a psycho murderer

>>221477253
>>221477548
I'm pretty sure all that happened was the real nikki was taken away and tortured while a demon possessed her body and tried to make life a living hell for Bear until he killed himself.

That's why there are those moments of the real nikki regaining control for a couple of seconds and freaking out, or when she is asleep and asking bear to kill her saying 'she's asleep', 'don't wake her up'.

So it doesn't really matter how he said it, the wish was demonic from the start and it would always end up bad.

>>221475371
He didn't want her to be a slave, he wanted her to love him
But what this means really, is that he wants to be someone worth being loved
He's a pathetic cowardly loser, his problem isn't her, it's himself

Honestly I didn't find her demon personality in the movie so bad, but maybe because I grew up around BPD women. I'd strap her into bed every night, never eat any of her cooking, make her apply to the same job as me telling her that if she does weird shit at work then it will reduce the amount of time we get to spend together, problem solved.

>>221475371

So was she an actual semen demon in this film or is that just in real life only?

>>221477614
>tried to make life a living hell for Bear until he killed himself
if that was the case she wouldn't have used her wish to make bear love her back
for all we know the demon loves him genuinely, it's just in its nature to be demonic

>>221475371
dangerously breedable

>>221477905
Oh I think I forgot that part. I think that happens at the very end right before he dies right? So I agree. But the point remains that it was not actually Nikki, just some entity possessing her body. So there is no wish that would lead to a happy ending, it's always going to be a demon.

>>221477984
This is why asking for love was an error. Should have just asked for a massive harem, no personality adjustments required.

>>221475371
Because men are the romantic gender and desire love, not brainwashed obedience like women.

>>221475371
what going on with the scene where he phones support and says you wanna talk to nikki, and he hears her screaming, is it like some kind of exorcist bs where shes trapped in hell with the edemons?

>>221478019
Or y'know, just wish to have a millions dollars of untraceable cash appear in your briefcase every morning.

>>221478529
its a dark comedy, its like a drawn out episode out of something like twilight zone or such, they even make fun of the concept when he buys the willow and banters with the seller about "the wish making his life a living hell".

>>221475526
>ive never touched a woman before
thats what women are you fucking incel.

>>221478892
congratulations, you now have an unlimited supply of Monopoly money.

Is there other movies that makes you as uncomfortable as this? any recommendations?

>>221478892
This nigga has never heard of the IRS

>>221479959
>I wish the IRS sent me 1 million dollars every day

>>221479959
That's why it's cash bro

>>221477294
Me either. It was creepy but also didn't feel like it made sense in the lore.

>>221475526
>act as if you where in love with me, dont break character for any reason unless i say so
there, problem solved

>>221477196
That was poop on the floor and she ate it? I thought it was the cat she had eaten and then threw up later

wtf did eating her own shit have to do with being in love with Bear?

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I think the point of these wish fulfilment movies is that they will fuck you over no matter what. If you know it's coming, the best course of action is to throw it away and not wish for anything. I learned this lesson after watching Jumanji.

>>221477196
>>221480643
It looked like vomit to me

>I wish Nikki had an nearly-but-not-quite-irresistable urge to piss into my mouth whenever she needs to piss, which after a while compels her to desperately tell me about it and beg me to help her, so I of course do just as a friend who wants to help a friend, but over the course of many pisses we develop stronger bond that ultimately becomes romantic, then soon after we make love for the first time her piss-in-my-mouth urge weakens, not to the point where she doesn't WANT to do it, but just to a level where it's something she prefers to do and enjoys doing. And at no point is she possessed by any demons or anything like that.
Was that so hard?

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Nikki wouldn't have peed and puked all over herself if Bear had allowed her to come visit him at work like she asked him to

>>221480798
its just fetish shit? fucking hell

>>221480798
Love how she immediately starts pissing on the floor like 10 seconds after he leaves

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>>221480798
damn that's a lot of piss

>>221475714
>"I love you... as a friend"
>>221476687
Tatejeet mentality

Well you see he didnt know it was actually magic but he should've known something that has literally never happened before ever would've happened and that makes him irredeemably evil

>>221480881
She missed him!

>>221480706
Thematically, yes, but the lore here specifically establishes that is not the case. The shop guy tells him most people are satisfied with their wish, including him. Its not a curse monkey's paw. Bear just made a shitty wish.

>>221475371
its like youre talking to AI just add make no mistakes at the end of your wish lmao

>boy people sure are talking about this movie, it must be really good!
>putting a dead cat that died some violent and convulsive death in the first 10 minutes just to let you know it's going to be really heckin uncomfortable
Yeah alrighty

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>>221481055
Okay then the best wish would be "I wish I would meet my soul mate and both of us realize it".

>>221481387
Naw, the best play (for this guy) would be "I wish every person I meet wanted to fuck me exactly as much as I want you fuck them." That way you aren't bound to anyone, you can fuck literally anyone you want by definition, and if you fall out of attraction with someone, it's guaranteed to be mutual.

>>221481453
Oh and also you wouldn't be getting approached by fuggos and grandmas, like you would be if you just said "I wish every woman wanted to fuck me."

>>221481453
>>221481478
The first hot married woman will ruin your life forever. Her husband will track you down and murder you in your sleep.

Nice try but you can do better. Stop thinking with your cock.

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>>221475526
>micromanaging an automaton sounds tiresome

>>221481387
>vid
h-hot

>>221475566
anon, you really think women will allow men to have those kinds of bots?

>>221477614
Which would make sense except word of god said it’s not a monkey paw situation. It was supposed to give him what he wanted. So the who,e thing just makes zero sense instead.

>>221481596
Or you could just not fuck married women. You would be drowning in pussy, why would you even need to?

>>221481792
My read was because he stupidly said "loves me more than anyone on the fucking planet," that meant she had to love him more than anyone loves anyone or the planet, not that she loved him more than SHE loves anyone. So, she had to love him more than the most mentally deranged obsessive Bjork stalker. And because the real Nikki would never do that, the only way to make the wish happen was to hijack her body and override her, which she occasionally broke out of for a few moments through force of will, ala the Sunken Place.

Didn't the director of this movie said there was no demon shit?

>>221481850
Fool. Married women take off their rings when they want to cheat. They will seduce you and you will die a fool's death. Don't you watch romance movies?

>>221475542
We like rape

>>221475371
Why stop at Nikki? Wish that any human being obeyed your every command with perfect accuracy. Then just DM Elon Musk and tell him to send you 1 million dollars every month, then travel to Los Angeles and fuck any celebrity you want.

This movie was very confusing. First off, the main character acted like a literal 13 year old. Secondly, what does killing and feeding him a cat have to do with loving him? Thirdly, if everybody's wish came true, how were the wish tree things so obscure? The kids friend literally materialized a billion dollars instantly. This shit was retarded

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>>221475371
>Why didn't he phrase the wish slightly differently
God, you're autistic

>>221481387
>>221481453
>I wish I could enable and disable at will the ability to see auras around people representing the strength of their compatibilities with me - social, romantic, sexual, etc - and have the meaning of the auras known to me.

>>221481933
What else took over her body then

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>>221482666
>666

W T F

>>221482666
The wish did

>>221475371
If the genders were reversed, what would the reaction be online?

>>221482725
We already got Send Help this year

>>221482666
An alternate manifestation of Nikki that loved Bear

>>221481789
Why not? Women men use dildo machines
If that's ok then this shouldn't be a problem

>>221482813
Waifu robots are already within the process of getting banned in multiple robots, anon. Women don't want (You) to have them.

>>221482813
>Why not?
Because women don't want men to be happy without a woman's permission

>>221482666
Wish magic formed a twisted personality or I like the theory it was a Nikki from a different reality.

>>221475714
If he had said, that nothing would have changed, because she already loved him. He was just too chickenshit to find out if it was romantic or platonic

>>221477694
Based filmviewer
I swear half the people in these threads haven't even watched the fucking thing

>>221477694
>he's a pathetic cowardly loser because he desires a basic human interaction
k edgy boy

>>221475371
why is she so breedable bros

>>221483052
You have shit taste

>>221483100
pride month is over buddy

>>221482974
No shit anon, have you seen some of the absolutely retarded things people have been saying here in regards to the plot of this movie? At least I hope they haven’t seen it bevause if they have seen it and missed the point so much that they still unironically have some of the opinions I’ve seen become widespread on this board, there is zero hope for anyone that autistic.

>>221475656
I don´t believe in souls so...

>>221483009
It goes beyond desiring a basic human interaction when it comes at the cost of someone elses autonomy. I felt sorry for bear at certain points but after the diner scene where she very clearly wasn't normal anymore and when she was asleep asking to die he stopped being very sympathetic.

>>221483009
He's a loser because he didn't want to put the effort. He simply wished it. Not to mention that Sarah liked him as he was but he himself was too obsessed with Nikki which that "love" was all superficial.

Love is trouble.

Crazy how the unwashed masses think she was some kind of victim, she's obviously a complete psychopath and his only mistake was chosing the wrong girl to love
>oh but it wasn't actually her she was le possessed
That was deboonked by director, there was no "possession" just wish fulfilled - he got her to love him but he didn't know she's a psycho bitch/whore with completely fucked up idea o love (hinted with the love story/romance dissonance"

>>221481630
only if that was his sister

Is this thing out on Netflix? I watched a cam rip and thought it was shit but perhaps a higher quality version would impress me.

>>221483609
HD torrents came out this week

>>221483609
It's out on Digital. I'm gonna buy it.

>>221482797
Who was phone? There was some supernatural entity holding the soul/consciousness of the real Nikki hostage. If not Satan himself, then a demon.

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>>221477614
>the wish was demonic
It's demonic to make a wish like literally every young man or woman has done since the history of unrequited love?
HE DID NOT KNOW IT WAS REAL YOU STUPID FUCKING REDDITOR.

>>221477253
>more than any one in the Fucking World
What star system is the Fucking World a part of? Isn't everyone there pretty unlikeable. It's like the Intergalactic version of Sodom. Honestly Nikki should not have changed much at all.

>>221481293
How the fuck did the cat get into the pills anyway? Why did it eat them?

>>221479841
No you wouldn't dumbfuck. Let us assume that you are the only one with a briefcase at 25 and you live until at least ~65.
>Receiving one million dollars a day for 40 years amounts to a total of $14,610,000,000.

The movie is very j-horror coded i'm surprised you plebs pretend to dislike it this much.

>>221483750
it's called "the fucking world" for a reason, them alien bitches are fuckable as fuck, and she loves him more than any of them

>>221483796
you mean the pills that fell to the ground next to its food? a wizard did it

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>>221479973
>I wish I knew what money laundering is

>>221481387
Wife material right there.
t. lonely faggot

>>221483799
It was great, I'm impressed that a zoomer directed it. I hope he makes more.

>>221483666
>Who was phone?
It's magic! Don't gotta explain shit
Being serious, I don't think anything on that call can be trusted. We know (or it's strongly implied at least) that the original Nikki is trapped inside her body unable to act. The screaming could have been random screaming by someone else. It could have been magically transmitting what she was trying to say. It could've been a magical equivalent of a deepfake voice ai.
>If not Satan himself, then a demon.
There's zero implication that Satan had anything to do with the story. A demon is just a convenient assumption when you conclude that something else is inhabiting her body. But an alternate manifestation of Nikki wouldn't be a demon (or depends how you define demon I guess)

>>221483437
That Hansel & Gretel story was her telling Bear that fucking him was like fucking her own brother, but couldn't stop it because of the wish.

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>>221483895
>was her telling Bear that fucking him was like fucking her own brother
She's going to have to be more specific about what she means by that in 2026.

he should have just ignored Midkki who is a whore and went with Sarah, then wish for a trillion dollars
ez

>>221483666
The customer service voice on the phone sounds very very much like Bear himself to me, but I don't think that's what they intended.

>>221475526
this guy sounds like my wife!

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>>221475371
>ITT: incel media illiteracy

>>221483895
Yes but not quite, that was more of her idea of "love story" in contrast to his conventional idea of romance - she was always a fucked up psychopath he was just clueless

>>221475371
the wish is faulty, you realize that even if he wished for this her old true personality and feelings would still be coming out occaisionally? you retards don't get this
the only winning play is to not make the wish
>>221484010
solved it for them

>>221483986
The voice on the phone was the director himself.

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>>221484041
You can actually wish for someone to love you genuinely by their own choice - and if that wish comes true then it doesn't mean their autonomy was taken away but that they genuinely made that choice on their own, how is this so hard for you predditors to understand

>>221484087
She really does.

>>221484104
that's an oxymoron you idiot, that's the whole point of the story, you can't force someone to love you, it doesn't work, their soul rejects it, no amount of metagaming will change that

>>221484041
>you realize that even if he wished for this her old true personality and feelings would still be coming out occaisionally?
He could wish for her to slowly fall in love with him without realizing it.

Reminder that:

There is actually no moral conundrum at all in this story.
He wishes Nikki Freeman would love him more than anyone else in the world.
The willow didn't grant this wish because Nikki Freeman didn't love him, a demon/alternate personality loved him.
And he didn't rape Nikki Freeman, he had consensual sex with this demon/alternate personality.
Both are corroborated by Nikki's nighttime talk about how Bear never had sex with her.

So the willow doesn't grant wishes at all, and if it could be said to grant them it grants them so utterly different from the wish that it might as well be doing its own thing to begin with.
And Bear didn't rape Nikki.
So he's absolved in both cases.

>>221484122
>you can't force someone to love you
If that were true, there wouldn't be so many women being beaten by psychopaths.

>>221484159
this is the biggest plothole in this movie
its clearly some twisted monkey-paw type shit, but it had no problem granting the chubby dude a billion dollars cash though

>>221484172
that's a whole otehr thing and its not "love" lmao

>>221475371
So, the other Nikki is a conscious being? Wouldn't returning the body to the real Nikki kill the other Nikki?
It seems a bit unfair to me; she didn't ask to exist.

>>221484040
I don't think the poem is an indication of her being a psychopath at all. I think it's more the wish version of Nicky took parts of her original subconscious feelings towards bear (ie considering him like a brother) and perverting it into the poem. It seemed aware that that version of Nicky only existed because of the wish which is why she said a love only a branch of a willow tree could conjure.

>>221484122
No it's not you fucking cuck, you wish that someone loves you by their own choice - not that they become a fucking zombie, in fact that should be a common sense thing and the fact the wish giving force purposefully misunderstands it or twists is a big flaw of the film, when it knew exactly which Nikky Freeman despite there probably being thousands of girls with same name it also knew exactly what he meant by his wish, mutual and genuine love not a zombie psychopath.

>>221480706
who was in the wrong here?

>>221484211
so in other words you just admit that there's no way to make it work because the wish giving thing is twisting it intentionally, one of its rules is clearly you can't do shit like this or it'll end badly
no matter how you phrase it it'll twist it fool

>>221482813
>Why not? Women men use dildo machines
lmao dis nigga

Women use dildo machines because sex is abundant for them. They crave relationship drama and excitement instead.
Men (are going to) use sex bots because they crave sex. Drama and excitement is abundant to them and they put up with it in order to get to the sex.

It's not the same thing and banning sex bots is completely logical in women logic, because it keeps them as the number 1 supplier. Imagine if women tried banning sports, cars, and action movies (this is /tv/ after all).

>>221484189
I haven't heard it myself but ive heard people mention that the director says the willow branches aren't monkey paws and when Bear looked up the wishes on the forum they were really mixed. Even the dude in the store said he was happy with his wish.

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>>221480798
was did the pee symbolize?

>>221483884
It was a demonic entity inhabiting her. I don't care what the director or actress say. If it were just Nikki with the shackles off, social mores removed, then the "real"/original Nikki wouldn't be saying it wasn't her or asking Bear to kill her. Why would there be two Nikkis in one body? She was a spectator in her own body who was able to regain control for a moment here and there. The stuff with the cat and Sarah was insane and evil, and making her piss/shit/harm herself was the entity fucking with not only Bear but her.

>>221481917
>"loves me more than anyone on the fucking planet,"
>me
The fair interpretation of his wish is that she only needs to love him 1% more than whoever else loves HIM most. If that's Sarah or his mom or whoever, then that's probably just going to be a nice relationship. But a twist on that could be that Sandy's lingering soul happens to count, and maybe that was one very needy cat, we don't know.

>>221484264
its monkey pawd when you try to use it to manipulate others I feel, wishing for cash or whatever is fine

>>221484210
But keep in mind she's not possessed, so everything she does is by her choice, he only wished for reality where she loves him and this is how she choses to act in that reality.
>>221484233
>one of its rules is clearly you can't do shit like this
Where is that states and how was he supposed to know that? It ended badly because she was always insane he just turned the things so that her insanity is manifested against him, nothing about her character changed since she was never possessed.

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>>221475371
How would it have turned out if he went "I wish Nikki and I could have a healthy and fulfilling relationship?"

>I wish Nikki Freeman loved me more than anyone in the fucking world.
so there are other people that loved Bear, but she out did their love by just a little bit? pretty wild.

>>221481917
So the wish was the worst interpretation of his words, making it a monkey's paw type wish.

>>221484273
>It was a demonic entity inhabiting her.
Yep, that's how I interpreted it too. The fact that the crux of the story is a "One Wish Willow," when willow trees have connections to the spiritual realm across many cultures/religious supports this

>>221484323
I can see your sorta reasoning for why you'd say she's insane but then why would she freak out so much at the end when she's finally released from the wish?

>>221484333
Would turn much better probably because then he would actually alter her psychotic character into a better one capable of normal relatinship

>>221484333
That's what he would have gotten. But the genie/demon knows that most people are desperate, frustrated, or just fucking around when they make a wish.

>>221480798
This movie made me believe that women pee and poop...

>>221484333
It'd still have to be warped for one of them because they did have a healthy relationship to begin with it just wasn't fulfilling on Bear's end.

>>221484323
how you explain shit like the phoen call where her soul is screaming in agony?
the main prob w this movie is how the director harps about le its not a posession but it clearly feels and looks like it lol

>>221484335
No, it means that nicki freeman was now a demon/supernatural entity who was not "in the world".

>>221483797
no, you literally have monopoly money. do not pass go, do not collect $200.

because 99% of horror movies depend on an Idiot Plot

>>221477510
>The wish-granting entity was malicious
Yes, that's my assumption

>>221475526
my micro is pretty good. peaked diamond in sc2 WoL

>>221484365
Plus there are the parts where she's a shadow with red, glowing eyes.

>>221484366
At that moment she was no longer in love and came back to reality imo

Now the bigger question is did someting about Bear trigger her to act that way due to their inherent incompatibility or is she like that in general
>>221484419
For all we know that was just a prank from the company, there's no proof it was her in some other dimension, they could even just replayed a recording of her crazy episode or ultimately even his own hallucinations - there's no clear indications either way

>>221477548
I love multiple people more than I love myself, and I don't hate myself. There are people I love more than anything in the fucking world, and it hasn't driven me to insane acts

>>221483708
I think he means the wish granter was demonic

>>221484419
>the main prob w this movie is how the director harps about le its not a posession but it clearly feels and looks like it lol
I agree. It's all well and good to direct the actress to not play it like it's a possession movie but saying to everyone else it's not a possession movie when it very clearly is i guess just forces people to talk about what was happening to Nikki?

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>>221475371
If Nikki made the wish would she still be the villain like Bear?

The head through the car window drew the first and only audible reaction out of me even though I saw it coming from a mile away. Fuck that timing was so devilish. Also I heard the head smashing kept going for longer in the festival screening.

>>221484522
Apparently the apple store has the uncut version where's there's like 8 more head smashes

>>221480643
I assume she had been standing in that one spot the whole day waiting for him to come home from work. The first thing she did when he left was piss all over the floor. In the few hours that followed she would've needed to shit and eat. I'm pretty certain she did those too without leaving that one spot

>>221475371
how about "I wish Nikki and I begin a happy, monogamous romantic relationship, starting tomorrow"

>>221484522
>>221484551
if bear wasn't a drugged up 50 iq serf he would have held her head to save her after the very frist grab
then killed nikki and lived happily ever after wtih sarah and made 25% asian kids

>message of the movie was clearly to make zoomers more respecting of religion, understand the dangers of paganism/witchcraft and not fuck around with demonic shit like the (Christian) Church has been warning about since forever
>it gets twisted into le incel hate
imaginemyshock.webp. It was clearly demonic possession at work here.

>>221484576
the single message of the movie is "you can't foce love"
that's it
anything more or less is stupidity or agendas

>>221484087
do you think it was her or a body double tied to the chair at the end
it was a confusing boner

>>221484472
My question is why was she shocked sometimes upon regaining control of her body (making out with Bear their first night together, Bear's death releasing her) and aware of "her" behavior at others? The movie is inconsistent about when and what she witnesses while possessed. The only explanation is that the "real" Nikki coming through was just the entity fucking with Bear. That was never really Nikki. She was essentially in a coma from the time that Bear made the wish to the moment he died.

>>221484576
True but also to not be naive as a guy should be the lesson, she was basically a whore whom he idolised and that's what brought the ruin on him

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>>221484598
idk
she body mogged nikki so hard the whole movie tho
weird for an asian bitch, nikki had the thin crackhead build

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>>221484627
shes so adorable tho i even forgive the nosering

>>221484588
it wasn't nicki in love with him though. when he wished "more than anything in the world" that could logically only mean a demon (i.e. an otherworldly being) now loves him.
>>221484625
>she was basically a whore
really? didn't get the impression, maybe I missed something.

>>221484651
>"more than anything in the world" that could logically only mean a demon (i.e. an otherworldly being) now loves him
desu good theory, could be smth like that
the help call line didn't allude to anything like that though

>>221484551
I heard he had to cut 6 or 7 smashes to avoid NC-17 rating

>I wish my oneitis [name] loved me to the degree that if I'm not satisfied every magical, supernatural, otherwordly, and/or wish granting entity in every universe, every dimension, every reality, every world, every realm, in all of time, in all pasts, presents, and futures, in every quantum iota of space in all fictional and non-fictional and imagined areas will suffer eternal unending torment tailored specifically for their respective physical, supernatural, mental, and psychological being contained solely to their system of feeling and engagement with what they percieve as existence, and that they all know which entity is responsible for this wish, times 1 googleplex googleplexes what they would experience is unpleasant and painful to a paralyzing degree unable to retaliate on wishers, and time for them moving at 1 googleplex millenia per attosecond of my human time, and that all entities can offload their pain to the original wish granting entitiy behind this wish
it's that simple

>>221484651
>maybe I missed something.
The part where she was fucking his fat ugly friend just for the sake of having sex with someone?

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>>221484651
>really? didn't get the impression, maybe I missed something
she hooked up with the friend for years behind his back, sarah told him

>>221484688
you sound salty
just cause he's fat doesn't mean he doens't have game
clearly has more rizz than the retard MC looks or not, you need it to pull in whores like nikki for sex, mc couldn't even do that, just outplayed and total josh or whatever his name was victory

>>221484671
Also it didn't love him. It fucked with him constantly. I guess that montage where things were normal between them early on was to gain his trust.

>>221484679
>the most atheistic white people since the pagan times aren't taking spiritual matters seriously and so couldn't have possibly thought things through
yeah no shit

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>>221484674
>6 or 7

>>221484609
I'm not sure, but if you actually pay attention to those shocked moments she never actually ends up being shocked, she just says she saw something and returns back to character immediately, could mean that the spirit is reclaiming control extremely fast but that would be very ambiguous way to show it, or in my view far more likely just part of her bipolar behaviour.
>>221484651
Maybe I'm old fashioned by how do you explain casually fucking a guy for years other than whore, plus she hides it so she obviously knows it's wrong

>>221484712
Salty about what? It's slut behaviour, one way or another.

>>221484770
Having consensual sex with one person for years is the very opposite of slut behaviour.

>>221480706
>Popper

>>221484791
Not as part of an explicitly meaningless, purely functional relationship

>>221484791
nigger what? if you hook up for casual sex with one person you'll do it with any other, sarah even said it was no strings attached
trust me he's not the only dude she was fucking
anyways the secondary moral of the story is he gave away sarah which cared for him to chase an unobtainable target, a super common thing in any young peron's upbringing and relationships, very relatable for most

what did Nikki say during the reverse walk scene? I still can't make it out. Sounds like maybe ``real me oh my god''

>>221484902
that was like the creepiest part of the movie for me i am not rewinding that shit

i do wonder if nikki actually liked bear since she sounded defeated/rejected in that car scene prior to him snapping the twig

>>221484957
Yes, she already did. Hence why she was shit talking her 'friend' about liking Bear saying she was obvious. Hence why the magic worked to the extent it did. He made a girl that already liked him, go crazy in love.

>>221484957
100% friendzoned, she'd probably still keep him around as a simp even if she said he liked her

>>221484972
no dumbass, she wasn't shit talking her she was trying to hook them up to get bear off her ass cause it was obvious to everyone how much he liked her but she didn't wanna see him depressed over it, she had 0 romantic interest in him

>>221484998
Oh, is that why she asked him "Do you like me? Because if you do, now's the time to tell me?" Because she doesn't care, at all. Do you even talk to girls, nigga?

>>221484957
It's purposely kept vague. Some scenes they shot twice, one where Nikki was obviously into Bear and others where she wasn't and then mixed them together. The actress says Nikki did have a crush on Bear in her opinion
>"Bear has no idea the way that Nikki actually feels about him. And of course, like me and [director Curry Barker] were doing character work of, 'Where am I coming from?' because I'm playing the character, playing that kind of double-edged sword, playing what Bear would perceive, but also, at the same time, playing what she would naturally feel."
>"So I think, speaking as the woman who played Nikki, I think that Nikki did have a crush on him, because he's a good guy. In the beginning, it's not Ian that she has been hooking up with. She talks about the difference between love and romance and how she doesn't wanna be stuck anymore."
>"She's such a free bird. She wants to go. She can ask for help. But she can only have these conversations with Bear. Of course, that creates intimacy. So there are just so many things that are left up in the air, but that's kinda the point, because it is from Bear's perspective, we're not supposed to know. But if you want to know what I think is in Nikki's mind. I think that she did have some feelings for him."

>>221485017
do YOU dumbass? she wanted to get it off his chest, do you think women are oblivious to when dudes like them? if you do it's obvious you've never talked to them, literally everyone 10km around bear could tell how much he was into nikki, especially her, if she wanted a relationship she could have made a move instead of fucking his friend wo telling him, the entire point of her talk about sarah isn't her shit talking her its to get bear to date her dumbass so he stops annoying her that way, she viewed him as a brother that point is made very clear like 3 separate times

>>221484924
She says rail me, rail my guts

>>221485055
I do, dumbass. Girl's don't fucking ask questions like that without there being a reason for it on her side. If she wanted to fucking tell him she will never be with him, she wouldn't even ask if he liked her. Please stop. The shit wouldn't have come up in conversation. Trust me, I know.

>>221485055
Also, if the point was to talk about Sarah in a good light, she would have just asked "Do you like Sarah?" You're wrong here.

>>221485087
yeah I just said the reason, it was the perfect chance to let bear get that off his chest so she can let him off easy and maybe hook him up with sarah, that was the purpose of the question...

>>221484902
Some Spanish subtitle file read as, "You ruined me. Where are my guns."
kek don't know how accurate that is

>>221485108
She wouldn't have asked it like that. If she wanted to let him off easy, she would have stressed the Brother thing more. But she knows the brother thing is bullshit. She fucking likes him.

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>>221485106
>she would have just asked "Do you like Sarah?"
but she did ask that nigger

>>221485106
Asides from that, she wouldn't say she was shallow/vapid or whatever

>>221485134
Okay, and that's where the conversation would have steered if she was trying to get him to get with Sarah. It would have been all about Sarah. Not even trying to move goalposts, if girls want to get something in your head as much as you think she wanted. They stay on certain topics to get it through your skull and try to hammer the point in.

>>221485161
she was trying to hear it from him that he was actually into her so she can give the "ooh bear you're an amazing guy and you can make someone very happy but I don't deserve you/I just don't see you that way" shpiel and steered him onto sarah
but even so whether she liked him or not before has 0 effect on the wish though...

Your entire premise is "If she sends mixed signals, then she doesn't like you." Which is not even remotely true with humans. But what happens with humans is if they're as adamant about something as you say she was, they would leave no trace of themselves mentioned as being the one that the dude likes.
>>221485191
If she wanted to do that, him liking her (Nikki) wouldn't have come up. Women are straightforward when they're trying to get a point across, and they stay on that topic and never deviate if they want to get something through your head. Almost just like when they argue.

he didnt know it would work dummy

>>221485245
dude the movie itself makes it abundantly clear that nikki does not view bear romantically and literally this is one of the main reasons why her soul is suffering and is rejecting this new state as hard as it did

>>221485326
Yes, well, how he acted when the wish was granted had no bearing on how she felt before the wish, the wish happenings would turn anyone off to the dude.

>>221475371
Did you know she was rooooiped!? Because that's all this film is; Bear roiping Nikki!

>>221485326
Indi Navarrete says she thought Nikki was open to a relationship with Bear if he was honest with his feelings.

>>221485424
That would have started beef with Bear and his 'best bud' that was fucking her.

>>221485406
Yea that's why it's good.

>>221485424
>>221485357
that's the one thing I don't get cause idk how the actress thought that or why, when in the movie istg it was made very obvious that she friendzoned him HARD

>>221485440
You can't read facial cues and body language, you're probably an Autist, sorry.

>>221485432
Yea that's probably why Nikki clarifies the story she was writing was about love and not romance or something like that

>>221485471
you're the one oblivious to the very basics of how women do this shit, especially when trying to get the friendzoned dude to hook up with someone else so he stops bothering you is literally one of the most common situations with coworkers like this you can have, when everyone else in the situation sees that she friendzoned him and she literally spelled it out for sarah in private, she friendzoned him, anything else is bullshit

AGAIN the whole point of why her soul is in such a bad state is because a relationship w this guy goes against her beliefs entirely, if she was open even a little to dating him the reaction wouldn't be so severely bad, bear literally talks about this during his incel rage scene next to the bed

>>221485498
Which is crazy, because dudes die every day over girls/pussy.
>>221485510
Dude, they literally didn't tell him they were fucking. Until after the wish. And it's probably Nikki that wanted it that way. You don't know shit, shut up.

I get that horror movies have to escalate, and that Nikki's obsession with Bear would have to grow unstoppably, but can someone explain the dead cat stuff to me? Early on, the morning after he makes the wish, she sets up a shrine with the dead cat (which is weirdly still in Bear's house). Is this and her lying about her dad's cancer early indicators that the genie/demon/whatever entity is some kind of trickster? I'm not sure if I even buy the demonic angle, but these and posing Sarah's corpse plus other examples make a pretty good case

>>221485533
she wanted it that way to not break up the friendgroup... even in the scene w fake Nikki sleeping and real Nikki speaking with bear incel raging real Nikki makes it super obvious she wants nothing to do w him in that way, but yeah this is kinda irrelevant anyways except if you consider that the main reason she rejected it so hard is cause she never had interest in him to begin with, you said the opposite, that it made the mania double down, which makes less sense

>>221485510
I don't see it as a friendzone more that Bear's inaction caused her to push the issue by her asking if he likes her. He's the one who answers the question by they're just friends out of his own cowardice. I think her trying to bring up Sarah and Bear together could've been done out of guilt from her and Ian hooking up.

>>221485551
it's obviously a demon. there isn't another explanation.

>>221485573
If a girl doesn't like you, she's not gonna give a fuck about the friendgroup. You sure you talk to women, bro? A girl will fuck your best friend and tell you just to make it clear that she doesn't fuck with you. If they don't tell you, it's because they like you and you fucked up in one way or another.

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>>221475371
See, that's exactly why I don't mess with wishes. Right there. That's the reason

>>221485600
? she doesn't like him romantically, she still wants to keep him as a friend and not fuck up their group, this is called the friendzone, are u sure ur not the autistic one lad

>>221485551
I thought the cat thing was way too soon into the movie as well.

There was no indication that shit actually works, so all "why did he X?" is total bs.

>>221485551
>>221485634
The sandwich thing was purely for audience shock kek

>>221485618
You're literally saying she would do all that if she didn't like him, but not tell him because she doesn't like him but also she likes him in her life? Nigga, shut up. Sarah didn't give a fuck about friendgroup dynamics, it was clear she liked him. Or do you think "romance" doesn't bring others apart too?

>>221485651
are u retarded or did you watch tiktok during the 2nd half of the movie?

If you wished to be a cute little girl would that be 3 wishes or 1?

>>221485664
she liked him as a friend, it's not the same fucking thing, she had 0 romantic interest, but still wanted to stay friends, you're the type of dumbass to ask women out after they show basic kindness lmao

>>221475371
>character rightfully doesn't really believe the wish will work to begin with
>character also rightfully doesn't realize he is in a le monkeys paw horror flick
>becomes huge point of discourse surrounding the movie
Tiresome!

>Why did he phrase it so strangely?
Did you not watch the movie? He was frustrated

>>221485510
>the whole point of why her soul is in such a bad state is because a relationship
do you guys seriously believe this? her soul is in a “bad state” because she’s literally in the hell dimension lol. You sound as retarded as bear when she is begging to be killed. It’s not because she is fucking bear it’s because a demon has replaced her body and her soul is probably frying in some hellscape world.

>>221485737
how did you come to that conclusion? Sounds like headcanon to me.

>>221485672
>second half
What you talking about? There was no indication the wish works prior to making the wish. Thats like throwing a coin in a fountain and making a wish. He didn't know its actually real

>>221475371
>dies because you forgot to tell her to breathe

>>221485654
I still don't know how to take the sandwich thing, if it was 'trapped' real Niki protesting or 'demon' Niki either fucking with him out of spite or 'wish-controlled' Niki simply not understanding what's appropriate

>>221485760
>bear calls number on box of magic willow for support
>hears nicki screaming in agony
how do you people this scene and reject the demon possession hypothesis

>>221485779
She wasn't fucking with him
All she knew about him was that he loved the cat and loved food enough to be a food critic, of course she would combine them

>>221485797
because you're making huge leaps with no concrete evidence.

>>221485797
I take it as the real Nikki being a prisoner in her own body not literally being tormented.

>>221485691
>ask women out after they show basic kindness
Asking out whomever the fuck you want is the chad move, beta bitch.

>>221485691
There is no thoughts of him as a friend when she asked "Do you like me?" If she only liked him as friend, why did she jump to get an answer from him, why did she turn back? If it was just friends, and she didn't like him as more than a friend, why the fuck did she gage whether he liked Sarah? If a girl likes you as a friend, then she won't have intimate convos with you about things she cares about. You obviously don't know how girls view friends, if she didn't care about him as more than a friend, she wouldn't the fact that she was fucking the friend to herself. You wanna use the excuse of social cues, like bro, get some bitches. Women don't care about hurting a friend's feelings, nigga, they're just friends. Men and women have different ideas of what friendship is. Women talk to their friends about relationships.

>>221485760
are you retarded? There is no “huge leap” to make when bear literally hears Nikki screaming in agony in some fucked up world when he calls the number on the magic box. They couldn’t be more clear about this scene

>>221485605
kekd

>tfw a girl would rather shove a broken bottle in her face, shit and piss her pants and eat her own poop before she would even consider giving a nice guy a crumb of pussy
It's like they WANT me to assassinate a major political figure.

>>221485831
Imo she isn’t a prisoner in her own body because otherwise she would be aware of what’s going on when the demon is in control and that isn’t the case and that’s why she is so shocked and confused whenever she manages to “break free”

Wait did she really eat shit? that was just puke niggas, she did shit on the floor I thought tho

>>221485929
But then she also has lucid moments where she screamed at the party that it wasn't her and then asking Bear to kill her while the other Nikki was asleep. If she was in some other dimension why was she able to get through at all? It makes more sense to me that it was like she was trapped in her subconscious like in Get Out.

One thing that supports the demon thing is the way she killed Sarah, she has some kinda super strength

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>>221475371
>>I wish Nikki obeyed any command I gave her with perfect accuracy.
>Haha, Nikki, I love you, but don't understand. I can make you do anything I want. If I said, "go kill all the Japanese" for exa-

It's crazy to me that there's a debate about what "Nikki" was. Oh, it was an alternate-reality version of her that fed the guy she loved his dead pet and brutally murdered and psychotically posed the corpse of their friend and nonchalantly shot their other friend! Totally not a malevolent, supernatural entity. How preposterous.

>>221486055
the director said it wasn't possession in some interview, source for half this discourse

If you watch this movie and think there's anything to dissect beyond it being a dogshit rehash of a 2000s era twilight zone episode level morality play made by a retarded YouTuber with no actual skill you're retarded and deserve to watch bad movies forever and be raped by dogs

alright guys I have my wish
"I wish I was drowning in pussy"

>>221486073
It's a moot point plot-wise and analytically-speaking.

>>221486082
Shut up fag, best horror movie in ages, so many unnerving scenes, actress knocked it out of the park, creepy bitch

The director of this movie sounds like a retard. His YouTube videos are nonsensical so I doubt he put much thought into the logic of his movie

>>221486091
*A magic disembodied pussy drips gallons of grool into his mouth til his lungs get filled and he dies of drowning*

>>221486082
so fucking real

Wanna hate them more?
They already did this as a fucking skit that lampshades the "wow you're a creepy fucking loser trying to force women to love you" 2 years ago.
It is proof that is 100% the intent behind it and nothing more.
It's just a "kill gross "nice guy" incels for not respecting female autonomy" movie.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jOryRNgfkww

>>221486103
>, so many unnerving scenes
Like what? Standing in the dark making faces?

>>221485993
It's not quite like Get Out, but I believe it to be similar. She's not sitting in the back of her mind watching the "entity" control her body, she's just periodically waking up and then going back to "sleep", like coming up for air and being dragged back under the water again. By the third or fourth time, the confusion is gone and replaced with pure bitter agony.

>>221486103
You probably liked iron lung too you fucking retard, get fucked by dogs retard

>>221486082
I liked it, but the discourse surrounding it is absolute faggoted AIDS.

>>221486108
Makes sense, that one guy got his money without a catch too. I think it just doesn't like incels.

>>221486082
I think people just love Nikki because she reminds them of their oneitis and the movie presents a what-if of a scenario most people are familiar with, unrequited love.
The movie fixates people who didn't have the courage to ask out the girl they liked (most people, mathematically).

>>221486125
Yep, that scene freaked me out so much, she was like morphing or smth in the corner, creepy as shit, the walking back, anything w the strange movement, and not knowing where niki is for any scene where the Mc isn't with her, all rly creepy stuff, the acting carries it ofc, if u didn't even watch the movie u wouldn't get it

>>221486073
Human beings don't move or speak in reverse or have superhuman strength or exist as shadows with red, glowing eyes. He's full of shit.

>>221486132
It's Aladdin rules, as referenced by the first trivia question.
You can wish for most things but you can't wish for love. If you wish for love then things get fucky.

>>221486148
Well none of that was creepy to me

>>221485993
I feel like her being in another dimension makes more sense when you think about how she couldn’t take full control of her body at times when she would bleed through again like when she was asleep for example.

>Do you think anyone can beat the One Wish Willow? Is there actually any wording in your mind that could get someone what they want without any of these extra ramifications?

>BARKER: I think yeah! That's the thing that's really funny is that everyone kind of treats the One Wish Willow like it's this cursed thing, and I understand why, because of the context of the movie, but the thing is, the thing that Bear wishes for is cursed. Like, taking away someone's autonomy, taking away someone's self, that's cursed. It's just that the wish itself is a very cursed thing.

>So, I do think if you you chose your words wisely, the One Wish Willow doesn't have to be… I mean, you see the crystal shop guy. He's like, “I already used my wish, man.” He must have gotten away with it.

So the willow isn't evil and doesn't necessarily mean its demonic.

>>221486156
>tfw I would have avoided this because autism makes me read every label of anything I buy
Out of curiosity at least especially with such a trinket

>>221486168
You're so cool.

>>221486156
Did the packaging have a warning stating that? Why can't you wish for love? It's just brain chemistry. The stick should've refused to snap if wishing for love were impossible to achieve successfully

>>221486178
Yeah, pretty straight forward, just don't fuck with other people. The proper wish would have been "I wish I was the perfect man for Nikki Freeman" or something along those lines. Free will is a big deal, you know?

>>221486178
>He must have gotten away with it
what does this mean coming from the writer and director of the film? what does he mean by "he must have"? does he not know? I don't think he gave too much of a thought to the rules of his magic system

>>221486201
Because it's immoral to manipulate others like that

>>221486230
>You do that very, very well in this movie. My lore-obsessed brain does make me want to ask you though, do you have a full One Wish Willow bible?

>BARKER: Nope. And that's the thing, right? Same thing with The Chair, all my horror films, and stuff. I know that there's some crazy lore behind it, but it's almost not my job to figure it out. It's up to interpretation.

You're on the money in that he doesn't give a shit about his magic system

>>221486253
There was no indication it would actually work.

>>221485860
like >>221485831 said. You're sticking too hard to your headcanon.

>>221486198
Being "scared" or "creeped out" by anything in a low budget horror film, especially one as unimaginative and contrived as Obsession, is reserved for the lowest common denominator of society and anything other than people like you ending up as cattle sent to a grinder should be considered a injustice

>>221486253
It's just an excuse for a malevolent being to torment and wreak havoc on the living, like the Smile entity. It doesn't mind the occasional successful wish, because most wishes are not thought out or worded carefully. Also, even if you think Bear deserved what he got, he died non-violently. What did his friends do to deserve what happened to them? Two of them were killed horrifically and the other has to live in the confusion of what the fuck happened while incarcerated/committed.

>>221486326
>your head canon
I’m directly referencing the fact that the dude on the phone has direct access to Nikki screaming into the void. How do you exactly think that is happening and where do you think she is? You think he has access into nikkis head and not wherever her soul may be?

>>221475542
Reminds me of this one doujin I read about the devil working at a fast food joint. He brainwashed the girls to be whores then snapped them out of it to goon to their despair as they remember everything they did. Then he brainwashes them again and it ends with them all pregnant in a dungeon getting raped, and he snaps them out of it again and they're freaking out suddenly remembering months of being raped.

>>221485073
oh fuck I read in the script Nikki just walks away and says that. I didn't realize it was the exact same scene. Wonder if Inde came up with the reverse walk idea

>>221475399
>cuts off feet, presents as requested on a silver platter.
why not just ask her out instead?

>>221486277
>>It's up to interpretation.
And there you have it. Nikki was possessed by a supernatural being and it doesn't matter if the filmmaker says otherwise.

>>221486391
What the fuck's the name of it?

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>>221475371
>condemn an innocent person to hell because you were too much of a coward to confess
What the fuck is wrong with you people?

>>221475656
souls arent real and neither is free will. i don't see any difference between a person having a personality programmed by natural circumstances that all boil down to random chance, genetics, and chemicals in the brain, and a person having a personality programmed into them by other means including magic.

>>221486375
>You think he has access into nikkis head and not wherever her soul may be?
Honestly yea

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>Being "scared" or "creeped out" by anything in a low budget horror film, especially one as unimaginative and contrived as Obsession, is reserved for the lowest common denominator of society and anything other than people like you ending up as cattle sent to a grinder should be considered a injustice

>>221486468
*tips bowler*