>I know how I can cope with my flop prediction blowing up in my face >It is good now because a woman doesn't like it!thanks broyou saved so many fragile egos
>>221955612She looks like a troon lolWhy do leftists make themselves ugly on purpose?
I don't care for any take that comes out of twitter or a celebrity. I'm neither a woman nor a fag
>>221955612She's right but also stupid not to understand that's exactly how you're supposed to retell a story; you modernize it and add on your own spin. It's her job to preserve the original, not his.
>>221955612>The Odyssey is about toxic White men doing a heckin' colonialism This bitch is retarded and I hope she gets cunt cancer.
>>221955670She is 55, it's just the wall + tattoos
>>221955662>The Odyssey is so bad that even well known liberals are trashing it>No, the Odyssey CAN'T be bad.>*continues running damage control*Pathetic.
>>221955670Troons look like 50 year old women because they just copy their mom's aesthetic. It's a subconcious thing that you have to actively avoid like I do. I get my style from all the scene girls I hung out with growing up.
>>221955875post your joker tattoo and neovagina
>>221955875No trannies are incels and always dress like the girls want to, but can't fuck. That's why they always dress like anime girls and name themselves Drusilla or Lilith.
>>221955875>I'm a tranny
>>221955612Or maybe Nolan's version just has nothing at all do with the character and isn't liberal or gay at all hence why the feminist libtard is annoyed by it
>>221955612Even reddit and the left are shitting on this now kekThe only fan is Ben Shapiro
>>221955612Incels wonned
>>221956142Ben Shapiro also liked the Barbie movie. He is a faggot little theater kid under all those yarmulkes..
>>221955662kekfpbp
>>221956165Even his sisters breasts hate the odyssey
>>221955612The issues with Wilson's translation are completely overblown.
>>221956188I still laugh at this bitch.
Hahahaha, the glavset is scrambling for this shit and they're making no headway. I'm gonna watch you all die in drone videos once you get fired from your rooster agency.
>>221956188>>221956225you're both pathetic
>>221956165Ben Shapiro's whole family has a background in Hollywood. His cousin is Mara Wilson. That's why he sells capeshit pro-Israel conservatism for a living.
>>221955662Reading Comprehension 404
>>221956250assassination vs self defense >both sides!
>>221956225>forgets to edit out the Charlie Kirk 'jak
>>221956225No one knows who that is ironically enough. It's funny that even the left don't mourn or remember other leftists, they define themselves by their hatred of the right so the right live rent free in their heads
>>221956244Here they come to snuff the Rooster, aw, yeah. Yeah, here come the Rooster, yeah. You know he ain't gonna die. No, no, no, you know he ain't gonna die
>>221956300>celebrating the senseless killing of people you don't knowYes, both of you are pathetic morons.
>>221956300>Influential Conservative commentator vs Random WomanI wonder which was the bigger loss...
>>221955612The daughter of Bill Wilson?Guess she didn't fly so good.
>>221956347>You should only celebrate the murder of people that you do knowWtf?
>>221956347>senselessSmoking insufferable bitches putting the lives of law enforcement in danger all to defend illegal immigrant criminals is good, actually.
I refuse to believe people actually like this movie. It's all performative. Even lefties don't enjoy this nolanoid slop.
>>221956423The shilling campaign didn't work. Even Normies are saying its soulless now.
This can't be real. Her translation is all about shaming Odysseus and making his enemies seem like poor unfortunates.
>someone's whose career is translating text isn't impressed with a sloppified for mass audiences film retelling of a classicno...how could this be........
>>221955612i wont watch it because of the race swap but if he really turned odysseus into a pussy crying about muh war and destruction then its an even bigger abomination than i thought.
>>221956534>the Trojan Horse... le kills people???
>"It feels as if... our age of bronze... is collapsing..."It's crazy how every Nolan movie has a line so fucking retarded that it instantly gets memed to oblivion. He's either a genius and doing it on purpose to create controversy or he's legitimately very stupid.
https://casa-kvsa.org.za/legacy/AC63-Whitaker-18DEC2019.pdf
I really doubt Nolan actually read any translation of the Odyssey. I think he scanned the Wikipedia page.
>>221955692>>221956129fpbps
>>221956423Nolan's movies have always been massive blockblusters. If you are incapable of understanding people have different opinions than you and simply enjoy his movies, then you might unironically be a low IQ retard.
>>221955612
>>221955612it's always cathartic when people who think that problematic elements of something they're a fan of should be removed and get their way and realized they removed what they liked about it
>>221956690with "I ordered my hot sauce an hour ago", "I AM A TIGER YAAAY", and "including my son" being among the most egregious lines in Tenet, which do you consider the worst one
>>221955612I thought she was woke? Why is she mad that Nolan removed all that masculine machismo bullshit?
>>221956831Nolanslop is so gay it's turning wokies into chuddies
>>221956762Maybe he's overrated. I understand that hollywood tries to sell him like Spielberg, but some of his movies are completely soulless ideas.
>>221955683You're a pirate, anon
>>221955692if you retell the story it's not the same story anymore, so the movie shouldn't be called odyssey
>>221955612its insane how mentally ill and neurotic everyone is, just abysmal dogshit all around
>>221955612She got Nolan Fatigue
>>221955612they're eating their own, just as nature intended
>>221957354The title is totally optional. There are reasons to keep it and change it. This is how it always goes.
>>221957384ironically this is exactly what the movie is about and the reaction it got from today's audiences just proves why it needed to be made in our time of social decline
>>221957384Completely unable to take a breath and remember how to build something, or make a decision. Total loss of memory for when we did (or denial, most of the problem is laziness)
>>221955670Because they're demons. A recent press conference with a trump admin person actually shat on the way leftists look. Said they hate beauty and seek to destroy everything and call the rubble equality. Said since they are jealous of things that are normal, like families and church, they seek the exact opposite and destroy their looks. It's crazy. Homey absolutely BTFO leftoids.9:45 is when he starts to BTFO them.https://youtu.be/VMz2iLYRjmE?is=CDWXjVj75ByLofry
>>221956250>>221956250Wrong, these anons are just having fun, you are pathetic.
>>221955875what the fuck!!!!!!!!!!
>>221958525Not my problem, let sexhavers worry about it
>>221958525Tariffs rocked should have learned how to short lmfao
Even she doesn't like it? They just love eating their own, don't they?
>>221955670They don't make themselves that way, physiognomy dictates it.
>>221957354Every telling of a story is a retelling.
>>221955662>>221955612She's mad that he is portrayed as a man seeking redemption and being humble, rather than an asshole who is easy to attack.
women shouldn't translate books written by men.Men can translate books written by women because they need correction
>>221955670If she had looked completely normal you still would have called her ugly because you don't like her politics. Chuds are weird about this for some reason.
>>221955670evil ontologically corrupts one's being.
>>221955692Let me sing you a song of arms and a man that actually maintains the original work while introducing a modern view on the trauma of soldiering:Coriolanus (2011)The Odyssey (2026) is just the raped corpse of a story completely divorced from its original work save for the skin it’s wearing. It is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
>>221958798This. She's mad he's not a strawman White Man Bad character like Homelander.
>>221955692>it's supposed to bed bad. that's called 'modernizing'
Odysseus being ashamed and lame defeats the entire purpose of being tied to the sirens. It was so out of character when matt damon went from dooming to "lol ill be the only 1 to ever hear their song and survive"They could have used this as a pivital moment as he was a prideful dick until the siren song and that changes his perspective on what he has been doing
>>221958821This has never happened, we simp for evil women all the time
>>221956480No it seems right.Women want all the benefits of equality while they mutilate and humiliate men, throw men out of the work force, and reduce men to simps and simpletons so even women can conquer them, but also want men to be a 6'7 muscle chad who will heroically sacrifice his life for her.It's just another case of retarded foid getting what she asked for without considering that what she wanted was stupid and with consequences. She really wanted Odysseus to be a giga chad king of the simps if that makes sense (it doesn't, which is why it's awful).
>>221955692Tell me you're a buttmunching theatrefaggot without telling me etc.Retellings are faithful by definition. If they're not faithful, they're not retellings, they're homages - whether you happen to use the "branding" of the original or not. Adaptations into different media have a limited latitude to make changes, but only insofar as they are literally required and necessary to account for the constraints of the new medium.You can either agree or admit you're a massive gayboy, those are the only two options available.
Her translation is such a meme
>>221955612My mental image of her was much kinder than reality.
>>221959313It's the modern translation we need!
>>221955612Jesus Christ I didn't know she looked like that. Grim.
>>221959313Must from be from the section when Odysseus is with the Phaeacians and their land is basically a utopia.I wonder why Nolan decided to cut out that part. Must have just not had the time.
The left's favorite food has always been its own tail.It's so shocking to see that if your entire political ethos is based on increasingly restrictive in-group vs out-group positioning, you eventually alienate everyone.
>i want a sensitive guy>ew, no nevermind. I want a strong guy raping meGET THIS NAGGER OUT OF HERE!
>>221955670Leftists are ideologically opposed to beauty because beauty is hierarchical.
>>22195561292ny is jewish venue. >>221955692Retelling should work to be persuasive. Anyone can string together anachronism or contrarian subversion of the text in a mad-libs manner. Nolan should've gone FULL COMEDY.
>>221956831She's still a woman who likes hot masculine murderers. And she's minimally honest about what the story is even though she tried herself to castrate it.
>>221955692THIS is a great retelling of the 3 Kingdoms, in a way self-serious drama or any Chinese would've told them -- NEW insights that make you consider, yes that's highly plausible while having a chuckle about the nature of HISTORIOGRAPHY.https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8hurnr
I dunno why he's put "colonial invader" in scare quotes. The Greeks regularly set up colonies in foreign lands and understood them in similar terms that we would. "Metropolis" literally means mother city and refers to the people who a colony originally descended from. The incredibly famous Melian Dialogue discusses colonial dynamics between the Melians and Sparta. Alexander the Great's generals ruled over foreign kingdoms as minority rulers who installed their own countrymen as military elites.The Greek 100% had a concept of colonial invaders.
>>221955726Who are you quoting?
>>221955612She’s a contrarian obviously but it’s more likely she is distancing herself from the movie so her work can replace Fagles in schools
>>221959646holy shit kill yourself
>>221959279lmao not even the greek themselves were faithful retelling their own myths which is why there’s a dozen different versions of the same myths. You’re just an uneducated retard pretending to be the guardian of a culture you don’t even understand.
>>221959856Not an argument sweatheart, you are making up shit in your head to get upset over
>>221960792No one is falling for this gaslighting. You care deeply about race in casting.
>>221959631Are you pretending not to understand how leftists used these words?
>>221959279>muh heckkin faithful adaptaionretard, theres like 20 fucking draculas and not a single one of them is faithful to the fucking book
>>221955612>>221959313>>221959391I specialize in a different region/time period, so I can't really substantiate this or argue about it, but as somebody who keeps up with the literature on ancient history and archeology and interacts with a lot of researchers, the consensus among actual Classicists is that Wilson's translation is fine>savagesHer logic here seems reasonable to me, assuming it is true that the Greeks didn't have the same conceptualization of savages/barbarians that people today do, and as far as I know, they didn't: Being savage/barbarous to the Greeks simply meant any culture that didn't speak a Greek language, is my understanding of it, which is quite different from how those terms are understood by people today. "You're just mad because they're a woman/black/LGBT" is obviously used commonly by SJWs to just deflect legitimate criticism, but in this case WIlson's translation really DOES just seem to be something people shit on because she's a woman, and secondarily because it's just not written in a flowery, old-timey type of phrasing. Any time I've seen someone actually try to critique the translation choice's accuracy, I see way more people who seem to know Greek to a greater extent bring up what seem to be compelling counterpoints as to why it makes sense.You can argue i'm not in a position to evaluate that since my area of expertise isn't Greece, but actual experts in the Classics I know think it's fine, and by that logic nobody is allowed to have an opinion on it unless they speak/read Ancient Greek themselves, which would bar like 90% of the people seething about her translation too.
>>221956308? you do know that's not referencing kirk right?
>>221959433>modern feminist is post-wall roastie with bad tattoosThese people come off an assembly line.
WTF I love woke White women now
>>221955838if this goes badly, the future of liberalism itself is in peril!https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg&ra=m
>psychiatric revisionOh? What new course of medication did they prescribe Odysseus? Hard to believe this person is a famous translator.
>>221961922lotus by his granny therapist, Charlize Theron
>>221961025I really do not and I wasn’t even talking about race, we were talking about the nature of “retelling” stories and your argument was retarded. There are dozens versions of the Greek myths and Homer’s retelling is just one of them.
>>221961436Just watch this eceleb explain it. It's a shit translation. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ikF8jQjJunI
>>221955662>peak millenial woes
>>221955662The Odyssey isn’t accurate. You niggers lost. Chuds won, again.
>>221955662Her translation is the primary translation Nolan used for this version of the Odyssey because she was the most subversive, he didn't use the far superior Fagles translation.
>>221956211the woman is insane, but her translation is fine.I prefer Lattimore but when seeing how the translation was done, it's clear than he and other translators (like Fagles) added more flourish than the original text intended there to be.
>>221956828>I AM A TIGER YAAAYKek no way, who even says that in Tenet?
They were colonial invaders, tho>Mehmed II, who had followed the Western world closely since an early age, knew the story of Troy. During the conquest of Lesbos, Mehmed II came to the place featuring the ruins of Troy in Çanakkale and examined what was left behind and Troy's location. He also had the graves of Achilles and other heroes searched.>He praised the heroes of the Trojan War, which were also praised by Homer in his work, implying his appreciative feelings. The sultan's historian Kritovulos wrote that Mehmed II nodded his head at the Trojan ruins and said: "God hid me as the ally of this city and public until this time. We defeated the enemies of this city and took their homeland. Greeks, Macedonians, Thessalians and Moreans had taken this place. We took revenge on their bad behaviors toward us, Asians, from their grandchildren even if many ages and years have passed."
>>221963452The Turks killed and raped the actual decedents of Troy.
This movie is about the decline of high-trust societies, which is pretty based for a modern movie. Shame about literally everything else around it.
>>221961436People shit on her translation because she had to mangle the prose into tiny bite-sized words for the most part all so that she could force the entire story into specific ten-syllable lines, because despite nobody else who's translated it ever feeling the need to, she decided she knew better than all of them and this was how it was always supposed to be translated.Hence why we get such classics as her referring to Troy as a "town" instead of a city, which is grossly inaccurate but used solely because it's one less syllable.
>>221963452Very based honestly. Trojans were good people, Greeks were dishonorable fags
>>221955612>Emily Wilson
>>221963452The Trojan War was fought over an insult, the land was already colonized by the Trojans. Odysseus and his men were mercenaries fighting for the Acheans, they didn't colonize Troy afterwards, they packed up and left for Greece.The Odyssey is a story about them trying to get back home, not about them invading anyone. Nothing you posted refutes this, it's just a bunch of Ottoman seething from 200 years after the fact.
>>221955612>>221955670>>221955692Holy shit I had no idea she looked like that. I have this article bookmarked for almost a decade now. Here you go, enjoy:https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/homer-for-scalawags-emily-wilsons-odyssey/#!From what I gather she's not malevolent. If you want to see a really bad translation, look at P&V's Dostoevsky botch jobs.>>221956691wow anon thanks I feel like I'm in Donna Tartt's Secret History now!
>>221955612The wall remains undefeated
>>221963549It doesn't take many braincells to understand why he took that premise and made the world of the movie resemble our gay brown modern world. The movie is actually based and the fact that these fucking retards can't see it is the most pathetic thing I've ever witness from the Right
>>221955612Growing up is realizing everything the far left says is true, their morality is just inverted.
>>221963566>she decided she knew better than all of them and this was how it was always supposed to be translated.No, she decided to translate the work in a specific way that does justice to the original meter. Translation accuracy for poetry isn't a single variable even if we speak about it as though it is.You should look at Alexander Pope's translation of the Iliad for a very different take on how to translate poetry. Instead of using the traditional dactylic hexameter, he uses heroic couplets from traditional English poetry. In a way, translating the meter itself into one more familiar for his audiences.
>>221963670>P&V's Dostoevsky botch jobsHuh? P&V give you the most literal translation of Dostoevsky. Everything else is practically an abridgment compared to theirs.
>>221956831Simple, it's because it no longer benefits her.
>>221963670>From what I gather she's not malevolentMaking political changes and losing a considerable portion of the meaning by trimming it so severely is ultimately a defacement>>>/lit/25405895
>>221963859The best translation of Dostoevsky is the Jovan Maksimovic Serbian one (I can understand Russian and it nearly gets the entire meaning over from one language into another) and the most similar translations to those are of Constance Garnett. What Dostoevsky wrote and how he expressed himself (think of a hilarious overwrought anime that's also somehow the height of literature) has NOTHING to do with robotic PV translation. Garnett's translation of Turgenev is also great.>>221963956Yeah I was too kind.
>>221962639every day, i get bombarded with instances where intersubjectivity is such a fucking meme that it hurts.Gadamer is a goddamn joke.murder ivory tower academics. the fucking scum of the universe. destroyers of civilizations.
>>221955612At least she has standards, she does have a PhD in classics and comparative literature and probably promoted that to her students after Nolan touted her translation as the main one he used, so even if she is trying to deconstruct it and be subversive it diverges so much from the story and meanings it is annoying if you like the actual Odyssey.
Emily Wilson is part of a larger symptom of cliques (homosexuals, lesbians, various -ists) getting into academia, taking over departments, museums etc. Everything you see in the western world has long been hollowed out to produce a critique of everything normal and the one thing that will never be attacked is zionism.I wrote about this before, but some 7-8 years ago or so I was in Vienna and visited their modern art museum to see some Picasso, Henry Moore etc. The show was 'reimagined' by a 'resident' tranny artist and that guy took various garish drapes and other pieces of clothing and threw it over sculptures and paintings and you know what was in the middle of the room? A television turned off to full blast playing his throaty moans while he expanded and contracted his anus which took the entire screen. On repeat all the time. The guard looked like he's on the verge of suicide.
>>221963975>Constant GarnettShe's been criticized by bilingual Russians like Nabokov and Brodsky for inserting too much of her own style into the translations.
>>221955612She fantasizes about being taken by the toxic male colonizer Odysseus and Nolan making him a shameful little beta gave her the ick and ruined it for her.
>>221963956>>221963975The only "political" change I see people list in that thread is the same one that >>221961436 already broke down as being justified
>>221964075She's not though. She's an educated classicist whose translation attempts to preserve the accuracy of the ancient Greek meter. Nothing is being hollowed out at all.
>>221964220Well I did not read many English translations due to Serbian ones being superior in that regard when it comes to 19th century Russian writers. Nabokov had a lot of retarded statements though especially about Dostoevsky (his father or grandfather helped send him to gulag, I forget).
>>221955692this is cope, the Nolan version basically fails at the Odyssey's most fundamental themes. Being a 'modern retelling' isn't a get out of jail free card for being a midwit and not understanding the Odyssey
>>221964374The Coen brother also did a much better modern retelling of the Odyssey.
The right needs any little scrap it can get, huh? I mean, whatever helps you sleep at night.
>>221964391True. Jews do know best when it comes to movies after all.
>>221964257nice try>>>/lit/25406156>>>/lit/25406349>>>/lit/25406568and a bonus failure:>>>/lit/25416067There's plenty more in various articles, and I'm sure I could find yet more if I scrutinized the text closely
>>221956095Ohhh tranny expert ova here.
>>221962639Holy shit, I thought she was just a boring lib, she's a actual evil piece of shit ultraleft cunt>the white actors are too white!>lupita would be perfect for Penelope
>>221964594evil women are so hoti bet she rubs her pussy when she sees ancient statues being destroyed or famous heroes desecrated
>>221964643her? no, more like she rubs one off to fucking chat studs calling her a bitch and a whore.
>>221964643Get a grip, retard incel cuck faggot. Nobody likes your internet femdom shit, it's a ugly gross old lady
>>221964683okay well imagine her evil grad students riding BBC dildos and coming up with sick plans to destroy the West>>221964679i could see her being a hermaphrodite, a very Satanic inversion of the gender binary
>>221964496anons in that thread already pointed out how the second one isn't an actual problem
>>221964575If you spend any amount of time online using platforms like Steam then you will become very familiar with the nature of the average troon within about 20 minutes
>>221964909only if you're illiterate and have an axe to grindHelen saying 'They made my face the cause that hounded them' does not indicate in any way that she feels shame or culpability or agency of any sort; it casts the blame on the Achaeans, and indicates that they used her as an excuseIt is not at all an accurate translation from the Greek
>>221964973Or you could just, I don't know, chat to us in game instead of slurring
She subverted Homer to own the chuds then Nolan subverted her to own chuds further
>>221965044This. She’s just mad that Nolan’s Odysseus isn’t the rapey dark romance character she definitely masturbates to.
For people who tradition means nothing, anything that isn't constant and constant progress is a sin. This is why it's a doomed ideology. The left's ultimate goal is complete subversion of reality.
She looks like a washed up meth whore.Who cares what she has to say.
>>221965044She didn’t subvert anything. Her translation is the best translation to date. It’s very pro pagan.
>>221965092The fact mankind has to suffer dog faced cunts who want to be raped and then live on in perpetual nag mode is something that has to be fixed immediatly.>>221965164>paganway to out yourself, trannyboi
>>221964973Kek this zoomer bitch is hanging out with trannys
>>221965177The Odyssey is literally a celebration of pagan values
>>221965177Is this like chuds who hate nonwhites but want to fuck them?
>>221965196The poem is pagan, it doensn't need to be "very pro pagan" as if that's a qualifier to look out for. In whatever manner she did so it's only because of her busted ass rape fantasies and hatred for society near her (christians)
>>221965307yeah, men looooove brown women. Everyone is always searching for indian and black women, for sure.btw latinas dont count, they're just short whites
>>221965189If by "hanging out" you mean being forced to play on the same team as troons because there are so many of them that they're unavoidable, then sure
>>221965364>conveniently leaves out asian womenkekeven then, I've seen (and jerked off to) plenty of WMIF threads on /gif/
>>221965411asian women are basically white in sexual attraction, that's a given. Though not for procreation.
>>221965364>btw latinas dont count, they're just short whitesFat brown latinx sausage fingers typed this post
>>221965587HOW DID YOU KNOW I WAS FAT, SENÕR?
>>221959631There's no evidence Greeks used such phrases in the heavily loaded, moralistic way leftists use them today.
>>221964075she butchered it and it is considered a bad joke in those circles. https://casa-kvsa.org.za/legacy/AC63-Whitaker-18DEC2019.pdfusual suspects https://archive.is/aDZfI
so we are experts on ancient greek translations now?
>>221959499whut
>>221965010No, I don't think I will
>>221955875Lol 4chan trannies are so funny. I bet you're not like all those "hons" right? You're one of the passing, not cringe ones for sure.
>>221955612>Nolan has cited Wilson's work as among his influences for the film, notably Homer's opening line, "Tell me about a complicated man.">tfw this bitch throws you under the bus after you praised her
>>221960792This. There are many differences between Hesiod's Theogeny and Homer's stories, let alone the bard who told greek myth. You think the Odyssey we have now is THE version that was agreed upon? That this was the only one ever told? Or was this one just the averaged out among the hundreds that we similar and close enough to each other but still had differences among them? When this version was written down and made its way from city to city in ancient greece, do you think there were some men who said "Psh, this isn't the real Odyssey, MY Odysseus brought Circe AND Calypso back and had a gang bang with them and Penelope. What is this woke TRASH!?"
>>221966306She's a complicated woman
>>221955612You can be knowledgeable on a subject, want to reinterpret or reframe something but still be annoyed when someone just has an interpretation of the material that is so bastardized is no longer is that thing. I don't think you can really question that she knows about the Odyssey and maybe she is trying to reinterpret it through a more modern feminist lens, but there is still a point where Odysseus is no longer Odysseus and just some generic action man in armor with PTSD instead of the arrogant, deceptive, cunning war hero king he was because you think it plays better with a modern audience.
>>221966322>For you
>>221958882Based Abba Anthony
>>221966095>https://casa-kvsa.org.za/legacy/AC63-Whitaker-18DEC2019.pdfthat's a pretty savage dismantling; I laughed at>I have drawn up an eight-page list of corrigenda that I have sent to Norton. Any reader wishing to correct their own copy of Wilson can get the list from me.However I rolled my eyes at>In a review of works about Greek culture by Arnold Toynbee, the reviewer Frederic Manning commented drily that it was ‘advisable that a translator from Greek into English should know at least one of the two languages with which he [sic] deals’ (Eliot and Haughton 2009:454 n. 4).I see this misuse of [sic] all the motherfucking time in 'scholarly' papers; it is for reproducing errors as they occurred in the original quote, not for passive-aggressive disagreements about pronoun usageI similarly rolled my eyes at his enthusiastic approval of "Demeter with the cornrows in her hair", which is a double anachronism — it's a 'cute' bit of wordplay, but that doesn't make it appropriate>https://archive.is/aDZfI...of *course* they had to mention the Holocaustnonetheless I'll still take a look at Mendelsohn's translation, because the quotation given>on the rocks by the edge of the sea>Weeping and moaning and tearing his heart to shreds in despair>The tears pouring down as he stared at the restless wastes of the sea.does indeed show fine sensibilitythanks for reading my blog
>>221966319If you're going to put your own spin on a classic myth, the lowest hurdle you have to clear is >is my version of the story at least AS interesting as the originalWhich Nolan fails
>>221967418>its not interestinglmao youve discussed his version of the odyssey more than the original
man the jews must rub their hands in glee that not only do goys desecrate their own culture but they also pay money to the jews for the privilege
>>221964594I'm pretty sure Penelope is Helen's cousin, so it's kind of weird one half of the family is African and one isn't
>>221955612Armond White said this albeit more intelligently.
221955662>I know how I can cope with my flop prediction blowing up in my faceA megacorp buying its own tickets is a flop, fake woman.No (You)s for jews.
>>221967752Who?
>>221958294So she's in hell with Charlie Kuck.
>>221955662The fact you have to invent the fact we said it would flop just shows how hard you're coping.
Her translation wasn’t woke. I don’t get why you retards keep getting mad about it
>>221967450No, I haven't. Although the people I have talked to about it actually read mythology and the classics
>>221958294 She looks like someone from Shadows Over Innsmouth.
>>221967878Isn't that Heaven?
>>221968378>Isn't that Heaven?You think charlie kirk went to heaven? HA.
>>221955670>so you stop looking at us chud>every guy that is unattracted to my tats is a bad person and I don't want to be around themis their mentality.
>>221955670they think there is safety in blending into the crowd. safety from being singled out for criticism. contradicts going on tv, but that is the psychological gist of wearing the left-liberal shibboleths
>>221966095>usual suspects>https://archive.is/aDZfIAmusingly Mendelsohn himself is a colossal leftist but even he cannot bring himself to be charitable to Wilson's translation, and that's true of the entire field which is overwhelmingly to the left. They all distance themselves from what Wilson did
>>221956691Jesus ChristOnly one I own is Fitzgerald's from 1961, maybe I'm safe
>>221967418I think it is absolutely interesting to wonder if Odysseus felt any guilt about the way they killed the unarmed, sleeping, Trojan denizens and their infants in the sacking of the city. We know Odysseus felt some Lone-Survivor guilt, this is heavily implied in the Odyssey. We also know he had some sort of sympathies and sorrow for the comrades he lost -- he is seen crying numerous times when the bard Demodocus is retelling the Trojan events. And there are numerous times in the Odyssey when it seems like Odysseus could be heading home, but seemingly avoids doing so. Why did he stay at Circe's for a year? No one was holding him there, he could have left at any time. Perhaps he was avoiding his nostos. One of the things we know is that Odysseus ONLY achieves his kleos, his glory, when he achieves his Nostos and his return home. And at his return home, he must reckon with himself. I don't think that it's the wildest thing for Nolan to wonder: "Maybe he didn't want to reckon with himself. And this is what makes Odysseus acquiring his kleos through nostos so interesting."
>>221961763Holy fuck stop shilling that shitty video
>>221955670>looks like a troonit's almost like trans women are trying to look like women or something lmao
>>221968812and failing every single time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUg64FFmMBk
>>221955612>The subversive is complaining that they got subverted
>>221956691>Another innovation of Wilson’s Odyssey is its handling of slavery. She asserts: ‘[t]he need to acknowledge the fact and the horror of slavery, and to mark the fact that the idealized society depicted in the [Odyssey] is one where slavery is shockingly taken for granted, seems to me to outweigh the need to specify, in every instance, the type of slave’ (pp. 88–89).20 Adopting a policy of what one might call ‘Pan-Slaveism’, Wilson translates as ‘slave' 7 (or ‘house girl / boy’) a whole range of distinct Greek words for non-elite serving men and women: ‘maidservant’ (ἀμφίπολος), ‘steward’ (οἰνόχοος), ‘old man’ (γέρων), ‘(old) woman’ (γρηύς / γύνη), ‘nurse’ (τροφός), ‘chambermaid’ (θαλαμηπόλος), ‘honourable / well-born men’ (ἀνέρες ἐσθλοί),21 ‘housekeeper’ (ταμίη),22 ‘shepherd’ (ποιμήν),23 and ‘guardian’ (ἐπίουρος).24 Wilson is simply wrong, though, when she uses ‘slave’ (as she often does) to render θεράπων (‘attendant’ or ‘squire’) and κήρυξ (‘herald’).25 But when her wrongheaded interpretation of the herald’s status might get her into difficulties, she simply abandons it, though her confusion is apparent from her uncertainty about terms. Thus, at Od. 2.38, when the herald Peisenor handles the sceptre at the Ithacan assembly, Wilson translates κήρυξ as ‘[t]he competent official’26 (presumably because a slave could hardly have participated in assembly proceedings). And she renders Od. 19.244–47: ‘[Odysseus] had a [κήρυξ] … Eurybates … / who had black skin … woolly hair’. Wilson (with good reason) takes Eurybates to be of African origin but translates κήρυξ here not as ‘slave’, as she does almost every-where else, but ‘valet’.Lmao
>>221955662Fpbp.
>>221955612She's 100% correct, btw
>>221964643>i bet she rubs her pussy when she sees ancient statues being destroyed or famous heroes desecrated>>221964719>okay well imagine her evil grad students riding BBC dildos and coming up with sick plans to destroy the West
>>221956690Wait, that line is actually in the movie? I thought it was a joke made up by this board.
>>221955692What a faggot take. Not with a work like this. It's a window in time 3,000 years ago. It's much more interesting to understand how those people felt and what was important to them instead of using it as yet another vehicle for modern concerns. Go read fucking reddit if you want to know what people today care about. Leave the classics alone.
>>221969618That's quite retarded of her. All those people attached themselves to service for the powerful as that was presumably an easier and preferable way of life for them than toiling on some pasture as a sheepherder. It's crucial to make the distinction between free servants and actual slaves.
>>221969618It's incredible how lack of giving a fuck with these people is combined with extreme attention to gender and race ideology.How the fuck od you manage to be both sloppy and agenda driven at the same time
>>221970564Yes, it's an actual line from the movie.
>>221955612>>221963634Bitch looks like Jarvis Cocker
>>221971596Being agenda-driven requires being sloppy. Pushing the message, which is hecking noble because they say it is, completely absolves one of having to care for such insignificant things as intellectual rigor or hypocrisy. Leftists believe in relativism so absolutely anything can be justified within their worldview.
>>221958981>Coriolanus (2011)nice taste
>>221959313>I really hope this faithful translation of a poem from thousand of years ago was compromised by the translator Why are women like this?
>>221972004Group narcissism
>>221957354nothing is realpeople recreate memories and add in shit that never happened when telling them years latersthe mind just makes shit upmovies are an illusionall stories are fabricatedit's just flickering lights on a screen and sound waves
>>221959499it all depends on their cycle>not ovulating = femboy>ovulating = the hulk
>>221955670She's a post-menopausal woman.Did you expect the autistic classicist to look like a supermodel?
>>221964594why are conservatives so hateful
Fable 5 said shes at best freshmen tier college intro worthy. Gemini and Chatgpt said shes the greatest ever, if you needed any clue to who won the inference war
>>221971689 the right has zero intellectual rigor cause they don't read books or go to college
>>221972483The left is just illiterate thirdies at this point.
>>221972483>>221972502credentialism has been exposed, its unemployable and indicative of nothing of substance. Lattimore has the superior translation. Emily may be justified in her research and reasoning but big fucking deal in the age of modern compute. Her version sucks and Nolans film is likely supremely mid, like his career.
>>221972483Both sides of this debacle have revealed themselves as subliterate baboons for whom the history of bronze age and archaic Greece is secondary to writing poorly conceived screeds on politics.
>>221955612Leftist will devour each other like a jeet eating fresh cow shit.It is what it is.
>>221955670the ugly truth is their genetics fucked them over from birth, the loudest leftists are simply the ones that decided to reforge that biological setback into seething hatred and a quest for bloodthis is why any intelligent person doesnt take politics *too* seriously, it's all dictated by biology and technology anyway so the best thing you can do to help "your side" is simply not become ugly
>>221963634Eh, honestly, would
>>221955670I wouldn't say troon. More hag + tattoos.Show this to every zoomer girl littering their body with tats.
>>221955670Consensus filter
>>221955692>that's exactly how you're supposed to retell a story; you modernize itKill yourself
>>221955612Who?
>>221973638>>(hey autists!)mfw the delusional genetic dead end retard thinks he'd unironically get a seat at the roundtable were his own hypothetical "Chad uprising" to take place
>>221973638>word>but not the literal meaning of the word>other word acshuallySame with people saying twink instead of fag
>write the most faggy and hilariously bad "translation" of The Odyssey ever>still think Nolan's version is too gay and retardedlol
>>221959646Retard.
>>221955670She has a manly face.
>>221974706All twinks are fags, but not all fags are twinks.
>>221972562>Richmond Lattimore's translation Lattimore was born in China, so he's Chinese according to liberals. Support minority translators!
>>221958882>evil ontologically corrupts one's being.and its just a middle aged woman
