The king who bore the sword editionPrevious >>222147995
>>222151106>Ashara Dayne was a massive whore>Rhaella Targaryen was a psycho abusive schizoEddard Stark and Bonifer Hasty dodged a fucking bullet.
People vindicated by the Play leaks:>Bobby B (aside the embarassing THE TIDE stuff)>Ned>Cat>Jon Connington>Tywin>Cersei>Littlefinger/CIA>Aerys>Daemon Blackfyre>Jon Snow (confirmed as the least insane Targ)>Darkstar (now the least embarassing Dayne)>Gregor Clegane>Mirri Maz Duur>Alicent (her line would had never caused such a nonsense madness)>Apple Boy, Ormund Hightower, Lyonel Baratheon (show canon only)People whose reputation was destroyed by the Play leaks:>Lyanna>Rhaegar>Azshara>Arthur>Rhaella>All the dornishmen scum, Elia above all>Dany>Brandon>Jaime>Barristan>Rhaenyra (her line is at fault for all this nonsense madness)>Every in-universe and IRL Targ fanboyAnyone else missing?
>>222151106>every single Martell scheme is the Westerosi equivalent of an Indian getting hit by a train
>>222151136yeah you missed where all the characters are black and george was only attached for paycheck.its not canon, nobody cares
>>222151136>>Azshara
>>222151136>robert>vindicated>destroyed>brandonthis motherfucker is retarded
>>222151136Viserys?
Has anyone seen the new ASOIAF theater play
>*teaches your kids some Dornish*
>>222151106He would had NEVER allowed decadent, scheming and promiscous dornishmen scum to take power in the court, like they did with their puppet Daeron (Waters)
>>222151106>heroically tried to save Catelyn from a life of infamy as the irresponsible and immoral Brandon would fuck half the continent>knew Brandon was not capable of true love, unlike himselfHe was a hero
>>222151106REMINDER:only the books are canonhttps://grrm.livejournal.com/352453.html?thread=18585285#t18585285
rings of power might be better than HOTD actually. dead fucking serious.unironically. at least the music and cgi is pleasant, al elrond is alright, think i'll go watch s2 instead of finishing hotd s3.
>>222151165Yes
>The Daynes made up a story about Ashara having a tragic doomed romance with the honorable lord of Winterfell to hide that she was fucking half of the nobles in the realm and moonboy for all I know
>>222151136>the play I haven't seen vindicates the characters I like and proves the autistic hateborn I have for all these other characters rightAt least try to be serious.
>>222151106>crispy kreme cole>the kingmaker>dies like a bitch riddled with arrows>honorless death>fireball>the blackfyre kingmaker>dies like a bitch riddled with arrows>on the (eve) of the battle where all retards died riddled with arrowsBRAVO HACKTIN
>>222151159Do you feel like you won yet?
what the fuck is wrong with dornish "people", wherever they go they start scheming and sleeping with everyone.
>Eddard's son rules over Westeros as god-king>Eddard's daughter rules over the Norf>Eddard's son (adopted) (hates his Targshit blood) rules the True Norftotal Ned victory
>>222151136Wait how is Jon Con vindicated
>>222151175True but mad dany will also be canon in the books
>>222151106Kneel to /ourking/, Aerys II Targaryen, the Madlad King.
ATTENTION ALL THOSE OF 'HOUSE' BLACKFYREYou will never be a real Targaryen. You have no legitimacy, you have no name, you have no dragons. You are a bastard emboldened by lickspittles and cravens into a crude mockery of Valyria's perfection.All the “validation” you get is a mummer's farce. Behind your back sellswords and whores mock you. Your true-born relatives are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “allies” laugh at your arrow-ridden corpse over their cups.The realm is utterly repulsed by you. Hundreds of years of careful breeding have allowed the maesters to identify frauds with incredible efficiency. Even Blackfyres who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your false heraldry is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get an exile host to side with you, they’ll turn tail and bolt the second they look askance at your nuncle's boiled, traitorous skull.You will never be legitimate. You wrench out a fake claim every single rebellion and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the will of the gods bearing down upon you, ready to crush you into the dust of history.Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll saddle your horse, ride out onto the Redgrass Field, get riddled with arrows, and plunge onto the cold earth. Your supporters will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with no real dynasty, and every Essosian freerider for the rest of eternity will know a bastard is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably not a king.This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>222151202I won already
> He dreamt he was back in Winterfell, limping past the stone kings on their thrones. Their grey granite eyes turned to follow him as he passed, and their grey granite fingers tightened on the hilts of the rusted swords upon their laps. You are no Stark, he could hear them mutter, in heavy granite voices. There is no place for you here. Go away. He walked deeper into the darkness. "Father?" he called. "Bran? Rickon?" No one answered. A chill wind was blowing on his neck. "Uncle?" he called. "Uncle Benjen? Father? Please, Father, help me." Up above he heard drums. They are feasting in the Great Hall, but I am not welcome there. I am no Stark, and this is not my place. His crutch slipped and he fell to his knees. The crypts were growing darker. A light has gone out somewhere. "Ygritte?" he whispered. "Forgive me. Please." But it was only a direwolf, grey and ghastly, spotted with blood, his golden eyes shining sadly through the dark . . .
>>222151174Cat would have dutily let Brandon fuck whomever he wanted as long as he did it in the dl
>>222151230he bore the sword
Lyanna had the power to see that Rhaegar was fighting, why did she have to call him?
THE SLOP CONTINUES
>>222151198>I should drink some water>Oh that's nice and c-ACK!
>>222151218He was right all along about hating Elia and about not trusting Lyanna
>>222151248women are kind of retardedall of them, really
>>222151174Littlefinger is a industrial scale brothel owner.Brandon wouldn't be able to come close to Littlefinger's sexual immorality if he lived for a hundred years and had ten cocks.
>>222151218Wasn't in the play so people will think that Whent was the homo that did whatever the twink prince asked of him while he fucked his multiple wives.
>>222151106What's next for Orrmund?
Was Tower of Joy a metaphor for gay anal sex?
>Jon Con in art>irrelvant faggot nowhere to be seen in playkekarooo!
>>222151230You let dornish scum take the throne.You are traitors of the realm, scumbags without an ounce of courage or nobility to your souls.Daeron Waters is no king of mine, and his dornish whore is no true queen.
>>222151282
>this fanfiction play by a bunch of gay niggers proves i'm right!!!utterly deranged
>>222151291early grave
Black Aly Blackwood, taking out chuds like the raveny queen she is. To quote fire and blood about her, "She smells of woodsmoke, not flowers."
>>222151230a) he broe the swordb) he was the better manc) daeron was a dornish lover and a nerd
>>222151285littlefinger only became relevant due to his autistic incel rage over cat picking brandon and not himif cat wasn't a dumb bitch and ended up with baelish the war of the five kangz might have never happened
>>222151285Only because when he was a sensitive young man the world rejected himThe Littlefinger ready to die in a duel in the name of pure love is long gone
>>222151317>broe
>>222151285Littlefinger provides downtrodden women with a livable wage in a world that is unkind to lowerborn womenBrandon pumps and dumps girls and pushes them to suicide
For 10000 ships tv showI pinned all locations of Interest.Sothoryos should be interestingI also hope we will see Martells vs YronwoodLets all pray they will choose good cast.
Im starting to think the actual big bad is R'hllor who is actually the Great Other>Targs unlocked some great evil demonic satan figure with their blood magic >Aegon reawakened this demon with his ritual at Summerhall>it rages inside of Rhaella making her crazy until she births it>Daenerys is the actual avatar of this satan like fire demon>she literally is resistant to fire which isnt really a Targaryen trait but caused by this affinity she has with the Great Other>Red priestess are actually demon worshippers >the white walkers were just a red herring>the actual threat to humanity was this fire demon>She is set to fall in love with Jon Snow to give birth to Rhollr the anti christ figure himself but is defeated by Jon Snow who was raised properly by Ned to smell this shit out>A Song of FIRE and ICETHE END
>>222151294Look, all I'm saying is that they didn't call Gerold Hightower "THE WHITE BULL" without reason
>>222151199i didnt realize watching it live that the main baatheon dude looks jeet as fuckHe lloks like he is about to be hit by a train
I never would have imagined something like the play would have turned my views on Robert's Rebellion 180°Fucking madlad cunt aerys fully vindicated, wish he didn't die now
>>222151136>People whose reputation was destroyed by the Play leaks:Martin
>>222151301>Dorne>Kingdom IN Westeros>Never kneeled to the foreign invaders>considered foreigners by retards>let’s rally behind a bastard branch of the actual foreign invaders with nukesDorne is more Westerosi than Targaryens. Cope.
>>222151349I'm so fucking excited for how diverse this cast is going to be!! Finally some representation for people like me.
>>222151367The first mentally sane targ
reminder that Eddard Stark and Jaime Lannister have both only slept with one women their entire lives
>>222151386I'm sure it was the play and not the 20 years or inactivity
>>222151199why did gwayne attack the baratheons? ormund was right about him...
>>222151329>an entire generation of redheads could have been saved from sexual debasement at the hands of a seething manlet if only Brandon hadn't experienced a moment of nobilityWtf, as if I needed more reason to hate him.
>>222151169The Dornish were here first and are more Westerosi than Targshits.
>>222151411So they are one up on you anon?
>>222151291Crashing this Dance, with no survivors
>>222151353R’hllor is Bran. We even see his face when Melisandre asks to see his tool before it switches to Jon’s face
>>222151411its kinda cringe when the only woman you've slept with is a massive slut
>>222151435>>222151399>Dorne is WHIIIIIIIIIITEArt imitates life
>>222151298bro thought he was part of the squad lol
>>222151411Jaime will get together with corpse queen Melara Hetherspoon.Trust the plan.
>>222151334magine if all anime was kino like spacebros, instead of shit made for fags and women
>>222151453but enough about catelyn
Reminder that Aegon is confirmed not fake.
>>222151415I think without the play there's still at least the pretence that he gets his own work, although he'll never directly publish more. With it however he fully becomes a laughing stock.
>>222151471wrong
>>222151466Petyr...
>>222151411Jaime has had sex dreams about Brienne so he is not as pure as you think
>>222151453Jaime is the most terminal case of oneitis in westeros, above Littlefinger
>>222151314Post Khazar milkers.
Reminder that bobby b lost
>>222151411Jon and Samwell tooour male POVs are all betas
NOT BOOKNOT CANONhttps://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1785345272292590.mp4
>>222151450Why does this god want to be king anyway? Whats his master plan?
>>222151466Catelyn has only kissed 2 people in her life. Littlefinger and Ned. Cersei has been fucking Jaime, Robert, Lancel, the Kettleblacks and Moonboy for all we know. And she is moments away from fucking Aurane just because he looks like Rhaegar
After the play I'm 100% confirmed Aerys would have turned into a dragon if Jaime hadn't killed him
>>222151106>>222151136>play made by Duncan mcmillan & Dominic cooke>Duncan mcmillan & Dominic cooke>Duncan & Dominic>D & Dd&d bis, incredible...
>>222151514corny edits won't stop the fact that you got cucked twice robert
>>222151514
>>222151450Meh, my version is better desu
>>222151516Robert doesn't really count because she had to marry himBut Lance and Kettleblack was actual genuine cheating which is why it mindbroke Jaime completely
>>222151537POTTERYYYYYYY
>>222151514>NOOOO i would had won if only Lyanna-sama didnt DDOS my mind with visions during yet another one of her prophecy-fueled schizo tantums. I swe-
will the fat faggot finally take responsibility for this abortion unlike his scapegoating of D&D
>>222151555What about Moon Boy?
>>222151537How does the RSC have so many niggers?
>>222151314>Want to hammer home the point that he died an honorless death>Make him die by a womanWhat did they mean by this
>>222151566What's wrong with it? I like it.
>blah blah blah...
>>222151514The fact people make sweet, romantic art of Lyanna and Rhaegar is still so wild to me.
>>222151555>we were robbed of /ourprotagonist/ Jaime becoming a true knight and saving Westeros in favour of Targshit prophecyfaggotry
>>222151593because you're a retarded faggot
How does Viserys mom abuse him exactly?
>rhaegar sees dany and assumes it's his daughter with lyannaQueen Visenya "Jeyne Snow" Targaryen, the Song of Ice and Fire, and Brotherfucker
>>222151575Shakespeare's plays were written by a nubian queen.
I'm reading previous thread and how the fuck do you all have so much information about the play? I refuse to believe so many 4chan anons go to theaters
SIMPLY.THE.BEST.
>>222151570That was Tyrion rolling a crit for extra psychic damage
>>222151136not canon
>>222151616Maybe you were the retarded faggot the whole time? Ever think about that?
>>222151624people leaked it already my nigga
>>222151592>hammer home the pointhehehehe
>>222151106The play is just an excuse for George to put out feelers for how people will feel about the reveals he planned.
The Whore or StarfallThe Strumpet of the Red KeepThe Slut of the Stark Brothers
>>222151624We're in the rafters, like the Phantom of the Opera
>>222151644where
>>222151620Robb is too pure to fall for that whore
>>222151353Rhollor is the red comet
>>222151575Theatre is a niche artform, and like all niche artforms it's been taken over by people with certain political opinions.
>>222151656>keep putting out feelers for what people think of your idea>time and time again people think they're shit>recoil each time and sulk for another 10 years
>>222151674twitter, look up got_onstage
>>222151593>gives women agency in some bizarre feminist reading that actually makes them all insane and/or stupid>prophecy actually being relevant and unironically crucial to saving the world>Dorne being every negative stereotype imaginable by pure accident>absolutely nobody except Ned, Robert and Jaime being likeable characters>soap opera bullshitit's just HoTD. All the stupid shit in the TV shows has always been George, he's just a master at scapegoating.
>>222151625>diesKWAB
>Born of bastardary>Ory's known as the kings stump>Ormund a useless cuck who can only make daughters>Lyonel BTFO by Duncan>Robert a cuckoldWhy does George hate Baratheon's so much?
>>222151625Chad.>>222151712Tranny.
>>222151704>gives women agency in some bizarre feminist reading that actually makes them all insane and/or stupidWhat exactly were you expecting? The 14 year old girl who ran off with a silver prince was actually not an idiot?
>>222151712love how nobody reacts or gives a shit
>>222151712You don't know that he's dead yet
>>222151147KEK
>>222151131Who the fuck is Bonifer Hasty
>>222151131what's the source for those leaks? wasn't the play canceled or some shit?
>rapist chud bf>autismo sisterwife gfcombo made in heaven
>>222151725>Ormund a useless cuck who can only make daughtersthat's borros but yeah, don't forget that he wrote that rhaena threatened rogar to burn down storm's end and he never married againthough rogar is still pretty good, probably my favorite baratheon besides stannis
Jaime lied about Rhaella's victimhood in order for us to feel bad for him
>>222151136qrd?
>>222151735I think most people had started expecting her to be actually kidnapped and a victim. Actually Rhaegar was the victim lol these bitches be driving him crazy
>>222151751nigger there's a fucking wiki, look it up
>>222151704george didnt write the play retard
>Lyanna convinced Rhaegar to go through with the prophecy So did she just not give a shit about Rickard and Brandon's death's then?
>>222151625Love how this make roasties seethe.
>>222151712>KWAB
I apologize for ever using this image considering Rhaegar's line is the only good hearted one in existence from Nyra's
>>222151735>acktually it was twu wuv>acktually Lyanna was a capable knight>also she was a wizard and had control over her dreams at a level even Bran couldn't manage despite not knowing Bloodravenshe's not portrayed as a retard taken in by a bigger idiot. This Song of Ice and Fire shit is played dead straight.
>>222151773>gets teen pussy>realises that teenagers are annoying>goes into battle to die and get away from them
>>222151625Lol.Hate women.Killed by a woman.Lmao.
>>222151785She loved Rhaegar more than her family because he gave her vagina tingles
based department hello?
>>222151751Some knight from a minor house. Rumor that Rhaella and him had a thing for each other but it could never be.
>>222151783>G-George isn't to blame for this retarded shitwith the plays, there are 4 shows related to ASoIaF and 3/4 of them are fucking disasters and the last is too early to tell.
>>222151802all of that stuff was pretty heavily forshadowed in the novels unfortunately
>>222151712Here, even longer webm to make the trannies/roasties madder.
>>222151504>hello, is this the Rhaegar department
>>222151704>Jaime being likable He's a canonical fraud retard now considering he simped for a mornonic evil bitch in Rhaella and lied about her
>>222151841The first two yeah, but wAs her being a prophecy obsessed warg foreshadowed?
>>222151712>>222151845Based, best character in this shitshow.
It's really hard to see them as bad guys in light of recent revelations
Shartells really are worthless scheming snakes
>>222151811>why do people prefer the guy with an actual characteralso Rhayenra murders kids, and judging him for his alcoholism is ableist and I'm pretty sure he hands out food to the petitioners, also if they were married at 13 what was he supposed to do?
>>222151841Lyanna being the knight was, her being a fucking greenseer and prophecy-crazy was notalso that Elia and Rhaella shit is insanity. George will literally do anything to whitewash his retarded incest clan.
So Lyanna Stark really was just a retard huh
>>222151883What are you talking about?This play makes Targaryens look insane, ironically to make Rhaegar be the one good apple
>>222151875they will overthrow the lannisterstrust the plan
>>222151883>also that Elia and Rhaella shit is insanityExplain how. Nobody can it seems, they just say it's bad.
>>222151883Pretty sure her being the Laughing Tree was considered fact for ages, but for me it was always felt on purpose that they left the "true love" question opaque
>>222151435Stone Dornish are Westerosi first MenSalt Dornish should fuck off back to the Rhoyne
George should just admit he's given up and dump the plot outline he has for the rest of the series on his blog to at least give it some finality and closure. No one expects him to finish Winds and bookfags have largely mapped out the rest of the story in their minds based off the show ending anyway.If he wanted to get Super Jewy he could dump his notes in a memoir he charges full price for but that would require work from him too so I doubt he'd go for that.
>>222151861>>222151883preston jacobs had a video about it
>>222151883If the intent was to make the Targs look good they failed miserably because all anyone seems to think is >Yeah those retards had to go
>>222151617>Viserys loved his mother so much that selling her crown is what drove him over the edge>fat man writes some play in which she abused himThis is just sad.
>>222149484I don't see where this redditor is wrong though, making the entire Dornish cast degenerate schemers is ridiculous and they're right about Jaime's relationship with Rhaella in the book being betrayed and Rhaegar being completely whitewashed in this play like the Blacks in HotD.
>>222151919It wasn't a fact but it was obvious like fAegon or Jons parentage.
>>222151938He can still get mommy issues from her being abusive but craving her affection anyway.
>>222151930>and dump the plot outline he has for the rest of the series on his blogAnd everyone would rightly call it shit and he'd have such a melty he'd probably drop dead
>>222151179nyoooooo
>>222151919>the "true love" question opaqueNot really, everybody admits Rhaegar loves Lyanna and only a few people like Robert disagreed about Lyanna loving him back
>>222151933That doesn't have anything to do with book foreshadowing
Gregor Clegane is a hero in this house, end of story
The fucking retards tried to give agency to Elia and Rhaella by making them insane fucksLmao
I don't get it...Is Jon a bastard or is he legitimate Targaryen?I keep seeing people saying a wedding between Rhaegar and Lyanna was implied
>>222151919>muh true lovewhat does a 14 years old hot headed teenager knew about "true love"?
Why are people upset by the play? We won.
>>222151909Elia is supposedly a political player and shrewd but she sees nothing wrong with>putting a target on her entire family>planting the seeds for a second Blackfyre Rebellion>putting the realms in the hands of multiple lunaticsNever mind the fact that her murder was meant to be the original sin of the new dynasty as it was nothing more than slaughtering an innocent caught in the crossfire. With the new lore, Tywin was actually cleaning house and ridding Westeros of a liability.Rhaella, as stated by Jaime and Barristan, was loved specifically because she kept her kindness and love for her family despite being abused serially by a schizo rapist lunatic. Making her also a schizo rapist lunatic is a twist for a twist's sake and lays down the framework for Mad Dany so Rhaegar's brood can be the real jesusbaby.
>>222151991Oh and Lyanna too
>>222151968True love is a two way street anon, a man in his 30s "loving" a teenager is supposed to be taken at least partially as sordid at the minimum
>>222151980Jon is a confirmed greenseer and warg, so I dunno you're so annoyed his mother had similar powers
>>222151992it doesnt really matter, he is their kid he is a dragon
>>222151933Based Preston always ahead in predicting this kind of stuffs
>>222151199Saved his family by the power of gay. This was still somehow the best part of the episode
>>222151936George is an idiot. He accidentally wrote a story that vindicates absolute monarch, blood right and magic bullshit despite yammering on about how bullshit it all was.
>>222152018>a man in his 30s "loving" a teenager is supposed to be taken at least partially as sordid at the minimumRhaegar was 24 when he died. And most enlightened people understand that love isn't stopped by age differences, that's an ignorant 21st century idea.
>>222152012>Rhaella, as stated by Jaime and Barristan, was loved specifically because she kept her kindness and love for her family despite being abused serially by a schizo rapist lunaticBarristan said she was mindful of her duty. Jamie just misheard her cries of pleasure.
This play appears like it was written by a retarded left winger who had to cross off boxes of "agency" and "motivation" to every character we knew only as romanticists or victims
>>222152018>30s22-24 actually.
>>222152021Can everyone whose not a greenseer at this point please raise their hands
>>222152006Bookfags will blindly hate anything GRRM puts out no matter what because they are bitter.
>>222152021What does that have to do with her being prophecy obsessed? Where Ned and Brandon and Benjen all wargs too? What about Cregan Stark or every other Stark? Show me the parts of the book where this is properly foreshadowed and established.
>>222151199>Ormund just stands there like a useless woman>Pukes after the fight like a useless womanKWAB
>>222152018>>222152042age gap discourse is entirely about women protecting their own prospects so they can still secure a high tier male when they get off the cock carousel in their 30s
>>222152060>Jaime is traumatized by hearing a woman orgasm
>>222151136what did Gregor do besides be played by 3 actors in a trenchcoat?
Oh here come the incels
>>222151811the worst part is this type of xierson is who those cunts write the show for. Tom was right when he did everything he could to try not make Aegon a rapist.
>>222152042>Elia has to be retconned from a innocent that loved Rhaegar because that makes Rhaegar look bad>Rhaella has to be retconned from an abused woman that just loves her family because Rhaegar abandoning her makes him look bad>Lyanna has to be not just a dumbass little girl but also a prophecyschizo because the alternative makes Rhaegar look bad
>>222152097Mad dany confirmed, incels own this series now, go away
So did Ned actually like Ashara? I know she apparently fucks Brandon, has his stillborn child before killing herself, and she's Elia's gf while whoring around.Also apparently Arthur Dayne is gay with another Kingsguard?
>>222152061Are you retarded? it appears to be written by a misogynistic racist chud who thinks all Dornish are scheming bisexuals and all women arr whorish and crazy. If a lefty wrote it Ned, Robert, and Rhaegar would be the villains not the tragic heroes.
>>222151731>>222151787>chad>"roastie!"cole lost the will to live because the woman he simped for didn't elope with him. he's literally an incel of the failed normalfag variety who not only form their world view around gaining affection women but self destruct when their affections aren't returned.probably couldn't describe a weaker person from the show if i tried.
>>222152099>Ha you thought there was going to be depth with Rhaegar, the alleged perfect prince who died too young, but nope it's as shallow as it initially seems, he's a fucking saintt i r e s o m e
>>222151294>Sword of the morningI get those sometimes when I wake up
>>222151592lmaobut desu, being refused a fight by 2 people (more in the book. was it 4v1?) is pretty badass.
>>222152140uh no sweaty he was le raped
>>222151811He didn't starve the smallfolk. I think he murdered a lot less of them than Rhaenyra did with her sowing of the seeds shit, and her starvation plan
>>222152127That's the unintentional way it presents itself Hence why I say retarded left winger. It's completely backwards and unintentionally makes all Dornish look retarded and all female victims complicit
>>222152099No retcons. New info. Why are you so obsessed that Rhaegar needs to look bad?
>>222152090rape
>>222152090His murdering Elia and her children stopped her inevitable rebellion against Robert. A true hero of the realm.
>>222152117Mad Dany was confirmed like 7 years ago and is fairly clearly being telegraphed in the books, did people think otherwise?
>>222152090It's more Elia is revealed to be a scheming dyke whore (the Cersei kind where she think's she's better then she is) so him brutally killing her isn't as much of a crime compared to being just caught in the crossfire.
>>222152099I prefer the retcons, it makes the characters more interesting and wipes away the romantisist headcannons a lot of the lower IQ fans had
>>222152099fuck off robert, you lost and was cucked...twice
>>222152168No one cares about the show but now the queen unleashed her schizo prophecy.
>>222152167>The Mountain as the Operative from Serenity
>>222152165Elia and Lyanna aren't retcons but the Rhaella thing does sort of contradict what Jaime saw
>>222152168Yeah they all thought they took that plot from cersei or joncon and poor d and d took all the blame, and never put it on George. Honorable
>>222152140>incelTranny or roastie?
>>222152178People care way more about the show than some play
George finally found a way to make Darkstar the least gay Dayne, by making Arthur actually gay.
>>222152172She's still caught in the crossfire anon, banging Lyanna and sending the realm into chaos wasn't her idea
Why do people say Dany and Jon were conceived at the same time?Dany was born 8 months later than Jon.Only Jon was conceived on that fated night.Only Jon's birth was shown in the play not Daenerys's.Wouldn't it implied Jon is actually the TPTWP?
What if the white walkers are actually thy good guys?
>>222152165>no retconsI guess Oberyn didn't really know his own sister then. Because he was adamant Elia was the only Martell that was just a decent girl.
>>222151106Why did he ally with the Yronwoods if the Blackfyre cause was rooted in anti-Dornish sentiment?
>>222152099It isn't even a retcon. People believe these theories which are a subversion of a previous theories which are a subversion of a previous theories, and then sincerely believe it is established fact on the level of R+L=J. Then when it doesn't happen, it is called a retcon. It is fucking insanity what has happened to this readership. It is George's fault ultimately, but my god.
>>222152212Literally he got mad about no one liking Darkstar so he made everyone's favorite Daynes in Ashara and Arthur whores and fags
>>222152126He apparently thought her sleeping around was gross and swore to give himself only to his wife. he never had a crush if the leaks are right.
>"When the hammer shall fall upon the dragon, a new king shall arise, and none shall stand before him."Targshits BTFO
>>222152173>romantisistthat's why George is a fucking faggot. Sometimes people are just decent. Not everyone needs to be a bitter dickhead or a gigaschemer.
>>222152220Becauss they play said they were, and they literally made it into a plot point
>>222152231It is very common for people to romanticize the dead people in their lives to the point where they become saints. Oberyn is an idiot to begin with. Why are we taking his word as gospel?
>>222152212Play Arthur isn't gay, that was misunderstanding.Play Whent is sort of gay for Rhaegar but probably because he got merged with JonCon
>>222151802The end of the play has Lyanna talk about he was trying to escape being a princess in a tower birthing heirs for a man only to end up and die as that which is why she asks Ned to promise her to not tell Jon about his parentage and all the prophecy bullshit and to be raised as a StarkShe realizes she was an idiot
>>222152220Because that's what the play implies, that they were both born under a red comet
>>222152238They're the good kind of Dornish
>>222152216Attempting to establish Dornish Law on the Realm by declaring for Rhaenys after Rhaegar's death was her idea though. Not a crime worthy of rape but certainly worth death.
>>222152241Yeah when it takes you 30 years to put out nothing it's no wonder that the fans become slightly rabid recycled fart sniffers. The story is still shit though, might have actually had some impact if it came out in 1999
>lewyn martell and the dornish forces betray the targs and kill jonothor darry>but the rebels kill them all anyway?What happened here?
>>222152060>t. increasingly sweaty Barry explaining to Daenerys why he and Jonothor Darry drilled a peeping hole into the royal bedchambers so they could observe her mother being raped
How the hell could Rhaegar have dragon dreams while he was awake? And while fighting Robert none less.
>>222152241>Barristan and Jaime never mentioned the fact Rhaella was batshit fucking crazy>Elia's own brother had no idea she was Cersei but somehow dumber
>>222151751Baelor Butthole
>>222152256Based Ned not falling for dornish whoresRiver pussy is best pussy
>>222152271Especially as he's a rather duplicitous person
>>222152264>Sometimes people are just decent.Rhaegar and Lyanna are strongly implied to have good intentions, they were just irresponsible and made mistakesI don't understand what anons are upset about
>>222152192Because she is still largely an innocent victim that was tortured by Aerys. Her reaction is actually a normal development to the trauma of being tortured. People don't become better people when they get tortured, they usually become more bitter, hateful, and isolated. Her insane rants are her only way of trying to reclaim a modicum of control of the situation.
>>222152177>get to feed Cersei blowjobs every morning>her line goes extinct>my bastard survives as Lord of Storm’s EndRemind me how he lost?
>>222152238They're the Bolton equivalent to the Martell's. Also the biggest dicks of the region besides the Martell's and bent the knee reluctantly, didn't like the Martell's having so much influence over the throne.
>>222151131holy shit I didn't even think about Bonifer Hasty. Wait, was he in love with her before he went nuts? >>222151136>BarristanWhat does he do? He turns down Ashara when she propositions him.>Darkstar (now the least embarassing Dayne)Kek>JaimeI thought he got a good scene?
>>222152173You are welcome to come back and call those among us with a sentimental inclination low IQ when you can spell romanticist.
>>222152332>letting yourself be kidnapped and telling nobody about why so they predictably break out into a civil war are "good intentions"
>>222152299Bloodraven got his time zones mixed up.
>>222152299Writer is a retard Rhaegarboo who didn't like that Bonny B caved his chest in, also made the whole affair Lyanna's idea to whitewash him and said Elia was happy about the whole thing to whitewash him
>>222152238Because people are wrong, the blackfyre rebellion started because two fags hated the targs and tricked Daemon.
>>222152165>No retconsno retcons like Jon and Dany conceived at the same time, Lyanna somehow being a greenseer beyond Bran's abilities with no training, Robert being at KL during the Sack and Robert watching his parents die even though he should be at the Vale
How is this play even considered canon when fucking Jon Arryn and Jon Connington aren't even in it?
>>222152238For all we know, the Yronwoods were pissed the Martells bent the knee to the Targs and sided with the Blackfyres under the promise of Dornish independence again
>>222152366They thought they were saving the world and whatever
>>222152199>reddit spacingt. ranny roastie
>>222151136>>222152099everything is made for the stark and rhaegar at the expense of everyone else.i will say it, they are among the biggest mary sue in all of fiction, and i now hate them
>>222152351The Jamie one is more he was getting all upset about listening to Rhaella be raped but apparently she was actually into it and gave as good as she got, and also abused Viserys.
To be honest the idea that Robert easily killed Rhaegar was always wrong because it was established Robert was too injured to go on to KL after the battle, and had to send Ned before him
>>222152299>fighting robert was so easy that Rhaegar got to take a nap breakKWAB
>>222152385>Lyanna somehow being a greenseer beyond Bran's abilities with no trainingI smell bloodraven again
>>222152395Yeah pull the other one mate, it's got bells on
>>222152385Robert did watch his parents die in the book
>>222152374Its never soley her idea though. Just that she was complicit in the whole thing. And then used the prophecy to justify getting her family killed
>>222152340>Because she is still largely an innocent victim that was tortured by Aerysshe has to be kept away from Viserys out of fear she would abuse the kid. This is soap opera bullshit. In their attempt to give women 'agency' they made them all retarded and evil
>>222152374Well, Bobby caved his chest eight fucking times in the play so I don't think the writer had a problem with that
>>222152395This is an acceptable bit of stupidity for Lyanna, a 14 year old, but not Rhaegar. He should have at least faked her death. >>222152385Actually forgot that last one yeah, they transposed Stannis's backstory onto Robert
>>222152206even normies abandoned hotd
>>222152391Pretty sure this is just going to be george denying it's canon even though he clearly gave the writer info, same as the tv shows
Why Martin loves to potray historically the Martell as strong, if all the current era-Martells are massive failures?>Elia was a powerhungry cuckquean whose coup only ended in her and Kids being GREGOR's>Lewyn was a traitor that murderer a fellow Kingsguard and triedb to switch side mid-battle while facing the VALEMEN, litterally the biggest honorfags of Westeros, that righfull then slaughtered every single dornishmen they met that day>Oberyn gets GREGOR'ed like his sister and couldnt even properly kill his target>Doran Is a bitter and delusional old men thinking is le epic 4d chess master cospirator>Aiyanne is trying to be Elia 2.0: Stormlands bungaloo and will likely share the same fate>Quentyn was a mere plot device that needed to die to justify Dorne being the First of the Seven Kingdom to be destroyed by the Queen of Ruins DaenerysWhat the FUCK is the point of the Martell?
>"George, wake up there's those British playrights who want to make a play about Robert's Rebellion."
>>222152428>He should have at least faked her death."Hello realm, the girl I kidnapped, well, this is a bit awkward, I may have accidentally raped her to death. Sorry, I guess."
>>222152263Bit hard to stand in front of Robert when his paunch enters the room a full minute before him.
>rhaegar forgets about rhaenys and aegonkek
>>222152427Only because Rhaegar had an impromptu dragon dream, that's the whole point of the reply chain
>>222152427They literally make it so Rhaegar would have won the fight if not for a dragon dream and while trying to take Robert alive. >>222152391GRRM doesn't give a shit about Jon Arryn and JonCon was not really part of Rhaegar's inner circle (though him not appearing at all is ridiculous)
>>222152299I'd assume that Rhaegar being a competent fighter was made up just so the play could have some suspense in the battle, even if it comes at the cost of the rest of the lore
>>222152385>Robert watching his parents die even though he should be at the ValeI'm pretty sure Robert was always present to see the ship sink along with Stannis. Maybe he was just visiting or something idk, but that was always a thing.
>>222152391It's not literally what happened because it's a play, an artistic renditionbut most of the information in it is probably canon
>>222152431We're talking about GoT
>>222152450to a prophecyfag, only the third child matters
>>222152292They were facing the side of Robert's army filled with the honorfags Valemen. They rejected the Dornish's trachery plan and just slaughtered them all, Lewyn included
>>222152432So it'll be a case of same outcomes, but "don't worry guys It'll all make sense when I do it"
>>222152168You don't understand how many women had Dany as their power fantasy and how badly it hurt them to find out their self insert was just a loon.
>>222152434>Aiyanne is trying to be Elia 2.0: Stormlands bungaloo and will likely share the same fateYou forgot she failed her initial scheme.
>>222152434I mean George also wrote a Dornish war with the Targs as a total humiliation ritual where Jaeharys burns their entire fleet down
>>222152458Rhaegar was always dangerous, he nearly killed Robert, but the stupid thing is the need to have him be better than Robert. Robert beating Rhaegar is one of the most satisfying things in the series, every single time Targs are killed by themselves or other Targs, for once it was no bullshit no magic just mano-a-mano chest crushing, now it comes down to "oh he was distracted by prophecy! It's almost like he defeated himself!"
>>222152434Dorne is a bunch of plot-armored retard. These is no justifiable reason for them to survive even the first Aegon
>Kill your child Helaena
>You gaslighted her! You unalived her! You gave her a post-birth abortion!
>>222152012The best possible interpretation (assuming she doesn't care about the prophesy like the leaks say) is that she was counting on Rhaegar and Lyanna's child being a girl she could wed to Aegon.Even then she's betting her children and family's lives on a coin flip where if it's heads her son produces 50% less inbred heirs than if she wed him to Rhaenys but if it's tails she creates a new line of Blackfyres who have every incentive to murder her and her children.Of course, this is from a member of the same family whose patriarch staked their entire future on marrying his eldest daughter to a an exiled pauper prince in Essos he had no way of keeping track of on a timescale so long the prince fucking died all while his daughter's eggs dried up as she aged out of the prime marriage age bracket and rejected every marriage proposal from every great house while this happened. Might in fact be the least retarded Martelljeet scheme.
>the ghost of Jasper "Ironrod" Wylde entered Rhaegar at an inconvenient moment and he was reminded that he didn't want to kill Robert, but instead rape
It's one thing to make Elia a dyke but making her a cuckquean is so fucking funny. Ashara is just getting miles of dick.
>>222152485>if the dornish hadn't betrayed them, the loyalists would have won>if rest of the kingsguard had been there, they'd have wonMore humiliation for the rebels
What is Bloodraven's problem?
>>222152385>Lyanna somehow being a greenseerNot a retcon
>>222152526bored innit, you try being attached to a fucking tree for 100 years and see how you like it
>>222152366>wtf, why didn't the characters behave in a perfectly logical way at all times?>wtf, why didn't the lovers think about the political conqequencesThe most tiresome and autistic of literature and film criticisms.People are not rational.
>>222152524based valemen avenging every single person the sandniggers had betrayed in their long history
>>222152385>>222152428Robert was always present along with Stannis to see their mother and fathers ship sink. I always assumed he loved drinking and whoring as is but that made him fall into it even more to cope, while Stannis went atheist. Renly meanwhile was still a baby.
How was George planning on revealing this shit in TWOW
>>222152526He's got a bad case of the Barristans(in love with a whore)
>>222152526Dopamine receptors all fried up for a cuck like him being able to witness Shiera fuck other men with a millennium eyes and one. Has to destroy everything to feel anything
>>222152269>Becauss they play said they were, and they literally made it into a plot pointDid it? Or did Aerys said he would try to conceive a child that night?And only Jon's birth was shown...
>>222152545>I'm going to write any old bullshit and call them a believable character and you can't critcise my work because sometimes people make genuine errors or something Fuck off George, bad writing is bad
>>222152524Half of the "loyalists" being traitors is somehow a humiliation for the rebels.This only makes the loyalists look dumb for trusting brown promiscous degenerates from the desert
>>222152447No I mean faked her death instead of kidnapping her. Like "oh no Lyanna died in a rock slide", then Lyanna can live in a hidden place and go up and down Rhaegar's Tower of Joy.
>>222152434They only really have one great achievement in resisting Daeron's invasion and then immediately marrying into royalty. In the initial invasion they just let every one else in Dorne burn until magic plot device letter saves the day
>>222152565Howland and/or Bran, maybe JonCon for some Rhaegar shit
>>222152565Bran vision via blood raven. It's actually bran who fucks Rhaegar so Bobby B wins.
>>222152565Via interpretive rape
>>222152565Bran visions, Howland Reed lore dump
>feeble>flat-chested>pussy dies after 2 children>failed schemer>father-in-law called you a stinky dornish whore to your face>confirmed cuckquean>confirmed carpet muncher>children murdered>raped and head smashed in>brother tries to avenge your dead 15 years later>he also gets in head smashed inbiggest kwab in the franchise?
>>222152458Several characters call Rhaegar an accomplished knight and powerful warrior. He just didn’t care much for fighting as he did playing his harp.
>>222152595Daeron's invasion was far more plot armourish, they get defeated outright, mysteriously all uprise, lose again, then murder Daeron at a peace summit and only the next king being a religious freak pacifist saves them from annihilation.
Also, I imagine Benjen will show up and explain the Lyanna shit
Making Robert be about to lose to Rhaegar is gay. Should have kept him beating him legit but being fucked up after that he wasn't present for King's Landing.Also why does he find Jamie with Tywin over Ned?
>>222152623when you are the crown prince people hit you with kid gloves.
>>222152565He is writing a Robert's Rebellion novella before TWoW
Grrm is hack
>aerys thinking that obsession with prophesy is dumbkek
>>222152580>this is like bullshit bro they aren't acting logical like I would, I mean I don't think that it matches the second hand accounts we have of their personalities Look at the autist. Look at him and laugh.
>>222152496>Robert beating Rhaegar is one of the most satisfying things in the seriesThat is kinda the problem, I don't feel that way at all, and I think this can only be the case if you are viewing this as a sports game where you root for your fav characters that you feel kinship with to dunk on your natural enemies.Robert's Rebellion is largely a good thing, but I think the intent is that Rhaegar dying is one of the necessary sad tragedies to bring it along, yet parts of the fandom feels that is one of the most epicest and basedest moments.
>>222152620It's for sure not House Martell that let the dornish hold out for so long because Jesus Christ they are such massive fuck ups.
>>222152620kek, dornoids will NEVER recover from this
>>222152620what if she had married jaime as planned
>>222152654He truly comes across as a Chas, offers Rhaegar his neck and calls him a bitch too when he doesn't have the balls to usurp him
>>222152590How much time do the two even spend together to concoct such a plan? The best way to do it would for her to go missing back home Norf and then make her way to him (or have him pick her up) that way his hands are seemingly clean and there's no war. But that requires so much cooperation and secrecy plus the involvement of her own servants to get the job done.
>>222152565Weirwood network has always been an obvious loophole to get around the POV structure to show the reader things they otherwise shouldn't be privy to outside of a character vomiting exposition at them.They even reference Ned hearing Bran calling out to him at the Tower of Joy in the play, confirming that plot point presumably was a GRRM original and not something D&D added in.
>After Jaime kills Aerys and sits the throne, Robert & his men enter from one side of the stage, Tywin & Cersei from the other. Soooo why did Tywin take his daughter on a war camping with him again?
>>222152689Wasn't Jamie supposed to marry Lysa Tully?
>>222152697They were chatting through the Weirwood network
>>222152654Gods he's just like me, fr fr no cap
>>222152716Of course, I could have I forgot such arsepulls
Migrate or else THE TIDE will get you:>>222152732>>222152732>>222152732
>GoT makes Jorah less of an old ugly pedo>HotD makes Rhaenyra the goodest of good girls>The play makes Gregor Clegane a heroWho will aKotSK whitewash?
>>222152689Then the two would compete over who's more delusional and cucked
>>222152702Its just a dramatic effect for the play to represent the overarching plot of GoT with both sides facing off
>>222152700I don't get why they can see events happened where there were no trees
>>222152703yes, Lysa was Tywin's preferred match for him
>>222152773birds, innit
>>222152632I can at least see the idea George is getting at here with that one, having these guerilla groups antagonize the occupiers, very Afghanistan war coded y'know. The whole mystery letter in the conquest is still so stupid as it is now, even before that why burn every one except the Martells, you burned Harrenhal immediately just do that again, where are they hiding anyway, caves? What are they eating?
You guys are massively overthinking why a vietnam draft dodger would overrate a guerrilla insurgency
>>222152802>What are they eating?Cum
>>222152802The difference is that Afghanistan or Vietnam (his real inspiration most likely) was half a world away. Dorne is just next door. >even before that why burn every one except the MartellsThis is something GRRM gleaned from the punic wars that Hannibal did to Fabius the Delayer, burning every farm he could find except Fabius's, so people would assume Fabius's delaying tactics were because he was in league with Hannibal.But the difference is that Hannibal didn't have dragons.
>>222152773Bloodraven tells Bran that eventually he can see beyond the trees. The trees are just starter tools The trees will be his mechanisms to time travel and then see beyond that
>>222152839I mean I know exactly why he does that, I also know why it's stupid. It's funny, because you get the "oh GRRM based everything on history" but he's got such a poor view of history. Dothraki are an eight-year-old's idea of Genghis Khan's Mongol Horde. The idea that military historians like Stannis would downplay Daeron I's achievements out of anything but sheer contrarianism is ridiculous (Stannis is also mad that Oakenfist doesn't get credit for carrying out Daeron's grand strategy). GRRM is like the alpha midwit.
It's no wonder Ned is so hellbent on saving Robert. He had literally no one else his entire life.
Why doesn't she fuck Daemon anymore? Who fucks Daemon these days anyway?
>>222152839You faggots say draft dodger as if it’s a bad thing. Why don’t you sign up to die for Israel or Ukraine?
>>222152702>>222152760Wasn't it kind of a plot point that Ned was the first one to enter the throne room after Jaime killed Aerys, and he could have seized it and declared himself King if he wanted? I thought Robert was wounded on the trident and didn't get to King's Landing until after the dust had already settled?
>>222154193Yeah, Robert was badly wounded. Jaime remarked that Ned just had to climb the steps himself, while Ned just went “I dun wan eet”
>>222152883It’s also far more complicated. The Vietcong were completely destroyed and had to be supplemented by soldiers from the NVA. North Vietnam couldn’t be invaded without escalating the war. In a period analogous with ASoIaF nations just exterminated people that tried to wage a guerrilla war against them.
