Beric Dondarrion edition prev: >>222189727
Realistcally, who can stop her?
>>222194008GOT isn't canonHOTD isn't canonAKOTSK isn't canonThe Play isn't canon>Only the books are canon.https://grrm.livejournal.com/352453.html?thread=18585285#t18585285
>>222194028me and my mightly peepee
Please no dothraki talk in this thread
GOT is canonHOTD is canonAKOTSK is canonThe Play is canon
MadKingbros... they are making fun of ushttps://youtu.be/QJPRYaHgUnc
>>222194028>cersei>blue eyes
WELL?
A bear there was, a bear, a bear!All black and brown, and covered with hair.The bear! The bear!Oh come they said, oh come to the fair!The fair? Said he, but I'm a bear!All black and brown, and covered with hair!And down the road from here to there.From here! To there!Three boys, a goat and a dancing bear!They danced and spun, all the way to the fair!The fair! The fair!Oh, sweet she was, and pure and fair!The maid with honey in her hair!Her hair! Her hair!The maid with honey in her hair!The bear smelled the scent on the summer air.The bear! The bear!All black and brown and covered with hair!He smelled the scent on the summer air!He sniffed and roared and smelled it there!Honey on the summer air!Oh, I'm a maid, and I'm pure and fair!I'll never dance with a hairy bear!A bear! A bear!I'll never dance with a hairy bear!The bear, the bear!Lifted her high into the air!The bear! The bear!I called for a knight, but you're a bear!A bear, a bear!All black and brown and covered with hairShe kicked and wailed, the maid so fair,But he licked the honey from her hair.Her hair! Her hair!He licked the honey from her hair!Then she sighed and squealed and kicked the air!My bear! She sang. My bear so fair!And off they went, from here to there,The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair
>>222194029>The Play isn't canonYeah but clearly a lot of it is from George and it vindicates a lot of established theories, such as Brandon x Ashara. You can’t just disregard everything because you don’t like it how it affects your headcanon.
REMINDER:The play isn't canonhttps://www.westeros.org/Features/Entry/A_Note_on_The_Mad_King_and_Canon
rape
THE RATCATCHERS
>>222194048Are you color blind?
"And who are you?" The proud Lord said"That I must bow so low"Only a cat of a different coatThat's all the truth I knowIn a coat of gold or a coat of redA lion still has clawsMine are long and sharp, my lordAs long and sharp as yoursAnd so he spoke, and so he spokeThat Lord of CastamereBut now the rains weep o'er his hallAnd not a soul to hear"And who are you?" The proud Lord said"That I must bow so low"Only a cat of a different coatThat's all the truth I knowAnd so he spoke, and so he spokeThat Lord of CastamereBut now the rains weep o'er his hallAnd not a soul to hearAnd so he spoke, and so he spokeThat Lord of CastamereBut now the rains weep o'er his hallAnd not a soul to hearand so he spoke(That Lord of Castamere) Lord of Castamere(But now the rains) weep o'er his hall(And not a soul to hear)And not a soul to hear
>>222194058ashara being being with elia? in king's landing? the whole thing is nonsense
>>222193956The whole reason why the village was being rapemurdered in the first place was that Drogo was collecting tons of slaves to sell and buy Daenerys her ships for her Westeros invasion. Everything that happened to Mirri is 100% Dany's fault.
>>222194028Grey Wind
Do you think Brienne had sex with the dothraki horses while waiting for Jaime to arrive?
>>222194062Yeah but it can inform our understanding which is what everyone is using it for
>>222194042your pic say otherwise
>>222194081>ashara being being with elia? in king's landing?that's canon to the books
>play is actually confirmed fake and gayAPOLOGIZE to the Queen of Love and Breeding
>>222194049Not piss off all your allies.
>>222194028sticky little princes
I get the Good Guy Rhaegar, but that's it? He really is just this Silver Prince that was wholly good? fuck he wasn't even the prophecy obsessed one that was Lyanna, he didn't plan the Harrenhall Conspiracy that was mostly Elia, so what was he then?
>>222194093ashara was at starfall when ned went to dorne
>>222194091So you can say stuff like>Lyanna is a greenseer>Lyanna is the Knight of the Laughing Tree >Rhaegar tried to coup Aerys>Lyanna went with Rhaegar consensually >Benjen aided Lyanna and he joined the Wall as penanceect ect
>>222194049heh heh heh *unzips dick*
S8 Sansa was so ooc, they really made her extremely MAGA, I hate to see it. It had such racist undertones too. Whatever happened to courtesy is a lady’s armor? I can’t really imagine book Sansa treating the Dothraki and Unsullied + Dany with such disdain. She’s too compassionate.
>>222194115>He really is just this Silver Prince that was wholly good?That is what the books imply. Everyone that knew the guy loved him.
>>222194095She’s not very good at breeding. Her only child was bastard stillborn from Brandon Stark.
>>222194028stannis because hes immune to her charms
Virginity status: confirmed.
>>222194117yes, but she was a lady-in-waiting to Elia so was in King's Landing with her
HOTD leaks sound horrifying. I may have to quit.
>>222194049Stop alienating literally everyone trying to help you for starters
She wasn’t even a virgin in the books
>>222194157aemond bros ...
>>222194141didn't she jump off and kill herself while she was pregnant
>>222194157If Alicent actually kills Aemond I'm shutting it off and never watching the rest of it
>>222194163I think the people calling the play non-canon are showfags but their knowledge of the books seems lacking
>>222194172no
>>222194156yes but she never had sex with elia or stay with her during the war
>After Jaime kills Aerys and sits the throne, Robert & his men enter from one side of the stage, Tywin & Cersei from the other. Big canon contradiction since Robert isn’t present here in the books.yep, it's not canon
>>222194028made for big reyne cock
>>222194132Bunch of simps.
i'm literally never going to watch it so its not canon
>>222194190There are obviously inconsistencies and this is probably because it’s a fucking play and they need to visually represent things like the tension between the Rebels and the Lannisters, the point is that you can take things and use it to inform your understanding of the books
>>222194115Rhaegar is obviously not an asshole, but I disagree with the reading that he's perfect and saintly. The stupid shit he did with Lyanna still started a war.
Book Cersei needs either Aegon's army or Robin's
>>222194188>yes but she never had sex with elia or stay with her during the warthe books haven't confirmed this as true or false yet
more off-screen rape
How do playfags feel when they realise they fall for Jon Connington bullshit like muh Rhaegar dreams, scheming Elia, muh Gregor the good, muh Aerys trolling Rhaegar, muh whore Ashara, muh Lyanna went willingly
>b-but muh canonlets not become the star wars fandom pls
>>222194132damn, I thought what with Robert et al calling him a Rapist Murderer, and the others saying he was the complete opposite, that he was literally Westorosi Jesus Christ that the truth was somewhere in the middle. I guess not, this is the one thing GURM played straight
>>222194217I think Lyanna went with Rhaegar willingly, but she was also fourteen. I like the idea that Rhaegar used her for the prophecy. But in the play they straight up fall in love and Lyanna is more prophecy obsessed.
>>222194152lets list the canon things we know about her>intact hymen>unclaimed maidenhead>not bisexual or gay>not into jocks and chads like brandon, very romantic>shes got pink nipples, pussy and butthole>not one drop of rhoynar blood in her veins
>>222194008More like Jobddarrion, but he's based for prefering to die 7 times instead of marrying a filthy dornish whore
how long would Hoshimi Miyabi last in Westeros
>>222194247she loves bbc tho
GREGOR THE TERRIBLE
>>222194238*rapes you*
The play is canon because it makes people seethe for no real reason. Also Aerys The Wise was right all along, everyone around him was severely retarded
>>222194238It's mostly Dornefags and Asharacucks, they've gone full meltdown mode and are spamming the threads
>>222194261bright beautiful candles :D
>>222194238It’s just frustrating because they’re the same people who deny R+L=J because “it’s not in the books” and cripple conversations because they’d rather discuss their fanfictions
>>222194021Let's be honest, what drive and agency did he have before? The books tell us he was a sad autistic bookworm who read some scrolls, suddenly decided he had to become a fighter, and then did basically nothing while his crazy dad was destroying all their alliances and the realm. We're told he was talented at many things, but he has no accomplishments to show for it. He pays some lipservice to the lords by arranging the Harrenhall tourney, but apparently does no politics there and just ruins his reputation by publicly shaming his wife and showing inappropriate interest in a literally who (to him) teenager. You can see why people around him may have been fond of him for his good looks, pure autistic soul, and education, but he never shows anything beyond that.
>>222194277I'm a Bobbychad and this Rhaegar whitewashing is some bullshit
>>222194302bro even Robert admitted Rhaegar won and was the better man
>>222194180BookGOD here, the play isn't canon
>>222194302Robert was absolutely pathetic in the first book, you’re clearly not meant to find him compelling because Rhaegar was actually the good guy. You’re ironically letting the non-canon performance of Mark Addy cloud your judgement.
>>222194314Rhaegar diedTargs diedYou lost
>>222194246I always thought she went willingly, Rhaegar is basically Prince Charming. But this is irrelevant. Willing or not, the two of them eloping started a needless war that killed a lot of people.
APOLOGIZE
I get the canonicity of it, I just think the reveals just suck
>>222194327I've been reading the books since 1996 and declare the play canon
the absolute STATE of JonCon fags lmao
>>222194261no proof she ever met a summer islander. shes so pure its unreal
>>222194348They will work if we ever get the books. You have to remember this will all get revealed in Bran visions or Howland Reed and Benjen loredumps
>>222194357>I've been readingWrong
>>222194245I always though it was anti-Rhaegar propaganda versus the truth.
This play is canon to me because I never read the books
>>222194379That's correct
will asharafags ever recover from this?
The play is theatreslop, of course it's going to be filled with retardation
Gregor is a MONSTAAAAAAAAAAAA.... and Tywin... ... is a whore
>>222194405It’s funny how anons are more concerned with Ashara Dayne compared to more substantial stuff like Rhaegar or Mad Dany
Syrax and Aegon will join the battle of tumbleton. Rhaenyra will die during the battle to Aegon. The two betrayers deaths will be compiled together with Adam's death and possibly Rhaenas. Last season is going to speed run the rest of the story. I dont see it going any other direction with all that's left and only one more season left.
>>222194008How are they going to finish this with only a season and 2 episodes left? There is a ton of stuff post Daemon vs Aemond. I was expecting that to happen in this season finale but I'm not sure with two episodes in and Tumbleton being the main setpiece.
/ourgirl/ still remains /bestgirl/
>>222194425Rhaegar is, by far, the most boring character in all of ASOIAF
>>222193928Lyanna>She's eventually introduced to Bobby B, he talks to him about his grief about his parents' deaths. Lyanna just has all the right words to help him through it, and you can see what fuelled Robert's unrequited love. Robert also tries to kiss her and tells her about soon getting her with child and giving her all the pretty dresses she wants in a castle, she shoves him off and possibly bites him and tells him she's not one of his 'tavern whores', Bobby B is attracted to her forceful personality.>Second half, as we've said, opens with her in the Tower of Joy, after willingly going with Rhaegar. She learns that Rickard and Brandon have been killed, and blames herself for it, but Lyanna's part just gets sadder and sadder from now on.>While Rhaegar wants nothing to do with the prophecy, Lyanna wants to learn more about it. She has Rhaegar teach her High Valyrian and about the prophecies he knows. She reads into the full prophecy about the promised prince's birth, and discovers they should be conceived under a bleeding star. >Time passes, and Lyanna has a baby bump, but she also appears more and more deranged, starting to have waking green dreams, etc. Rhaegar is sent off to war by the White Bull. After this, she starts mistaking the Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy for her own brothers. She starts to go into labour and insists that she is a knight, not a giving a lord his heirs in some castle (as she's pregnant in the Tower of Joy).Similar to Rhaegar, I find Lyanna's story tragic, and honestly a lot more tragic than his is. She starts off so wilful like Arya is, or kind of a mash-up of the best qualities of Arya and Sansa since she's a romantic in some ways. But she then starts losing her grip on the world more and more thanks to her green dreams and the prophecy. In the last half, I'd say she's like if Arya and Sansa embraced their worst qualities; the way it's acted just makes you feel pity for how Lyanna turned out more than anything else.
>>222194456No. He's cute.
>>222194260She would join Stannis and become head of his Kingsguard
>>222194247>Would have been a much better wife for Ned
>>222194473JonConnington...
>>222194425>Mad DanyAnyone who ever denied this is just a willfully blind waifufag, it's obvious and always has been.
>Even after all these years, Ser Barristan could still recall Ashara's smile, the sound of her laughter. He had only to close his eyes to see her, with her long dark hair tumbling about her shoulders and those haunting purple eyes. Daenerys has the same eyes. Sometimes when the queen looked at him, he felt as if he were looking at Ashara's daughter …>But Ashara's daughter had been stillborn, and his fair lady had thrown herself from a tower soon after, mad with grief for the child she had lost, and perhaps for the man who had dishonored her at Harrenhal as well. She died never knowing that Ser Barristan had loved her. How could she? He was a knight of the Kingsguard, sworn to celibacy. No good could have come from telling her his feelings. No good came from silence either. If I had unhorsed Rhaegar and crowned Ashara queen of love and beauty, might she have looked to me instead of Stark?Why did she do it bros?
>>222194478stannis having a foxgirl in his council cracks me up
>>222194489She is pure, loyal and can't live with her love cheating on her.
>>222194238Any actual SW fan I know of knows that nothing Yidsney did is canon
>>222194028I would have fixed her
>>222194505She literally had sex out of wedlock and had a bastard daughter
>>222194462lmao what a cunt. It's poetic how she died in the way she didn't want to live
>>222194524No, she married Ned in the eyes of the Old Gods
jon con bros our play is being dragged through the dirt. however do we recover
>>222194536cuck
>>222194462Welp, fucked up the greentext at the end. It's still the reviewer's POV.Ashara the Slut>Ashara and Elia are definitely in love, though she does seem to be on the more 'open' side of their relationship and has a lot of romantic and sexual experience. She tells Ned at one that point she has loved 'men, women, sometimes both at the same time'. While she messes around, she doesn't fall deeply in love with anyone during the tourney. It's clear she's somewhat enjoying toying with men, playing them for fools, and loving the flirtation game.>Brandon is the only man who she sleeps with at Harrenhal. Both she and Brandon consider each other very attractive, but it's pure passion and not love. She clearly finds Ned cute, and gives him a kiss on the lips to try to give him a taste of something other than duty, and that's as far as it goes between them. When it comes to Barristan, she's mostly upset that she gave him her favour at the Storm's End tourney some years ago and he didn't crown her queen of love and beauty, so she sort of wants to settle the score. She gives him her favour again, but he's unhorsed before the end of the tournament.>Ashara gets pregnant with Brandon's child after they sleep together. At the very start of the second part, she gives birth to a premature, stillborn girl.>Ashara begs Rhaella leave of the court to grieve her daughter and be with family, Rhaella is very hard on her about her morals for having a child out of wedlock, but does relent. I believe Ashara is genuine about her grief for her daughter, but part of it seems to also going to the Starfall area as Elia's agent to really see what's going on in the Tower of Joy.>The very last time we see her, Ashara is the one to tell Ned about Lyanna being in the Tower of Joy. She says she has become 'grief itself' and has now lost her child, Elia, Aegon, and Rhaenys, and is soon to lose Arthur.Moral of the story: fuck around and find out.
>>222194536So the Stark kids are bastards? You realise you’re totally changing the story for a nothing character red herring who is basically your OC?
>>222194524And wanted Ned (who had taken her maidenhead) to marry her. When she thought he had cheated on her, she was grief-stricken after losing her child and killed herself
>Ashara and Elia are definitely in love, though she does seem to be on the more 'open' side of their relationship and has a lot of romantic and sexual experience. She tells Ned at one that point she has loved 'men, women, sometimes both at the same time'. While she messes around, she doesn't fall deeply in love with anyone during the tourney. It's clear she's somewhat enjoying toying with men, playing them for fools, and loving the flirtation game.
>>222194125Yeah I'd say all of those details are correctI'd also add Ashara + Benejen (maybe not the polycule, but definetly this)
>>222194524Yes but it was done for love
>>222194551>>I believe Ashara is genuine about her grief for her daughter, but part of it seems to also going to the Starfall area as Elia's agent to really see what's going on in the Tower of Joy.She didn’t even care about her daughter she killed herself because of Elia lmao
>>222194551thot status: patrolled
THANK YOU GURM FOR SHOWING US ALL DORNSHITS ARE BACKSTABBING SCHEMERS AND WHORES
>>222194572Why does Ned never think about his wife who killed herself because of him and their dead daughter?
>>222194611There's only good man in Dorne. He's also the most dangerous one.
>>222194611this but unironically, I hate brown people
>>222194056>He licked the honey from her hair!>Then she sighed and squealed and kicked the air!>My bear! She sang. My bear so fair!>And off they went, from here to there,>The bear, the bear, and the maiden fairIs it really that easy to get a gf bros?
>>222194551Ned and Cat (aka the healthiest couple in Westeros)>This is going to be a shorter analysis, because there really isn't much that's particularly new about Ned that we haven't seen in some other format.>In the first half, Ned sticks by Lyanna, talks about doing his duty to his family, has some bromance scenes with Bobby B, etc. Has his first kiss with Ashara, as I've said. In the second half, he's unexpectedly inherited Winterfell after Brandon and Rickard die. He and Cat have their wedding night. He he says they don't have to sleep together, but Cat insists that they do so, smiling at him. He also promises to father no bastard Snows when he's away.>Catelyn is pregnant with Robb at Riverrun, she sings the Mother's verse in 'Mother, Maiden, Crone' which is a powerful moment. Ned fights in the war, when it ends, he learns Lyanna's location from Ashara in King's Landing.>He and Howland go to the Tower of Joy and fight the Kingsguard there. The fight happens in a similar manner to the TV show with Howland stabbing Arthur Dayne in the back of the neck, allowing Ned to land the final blow.>He finds Lyanna dying. She asks Ned to promise her that he will keep her son safe no matter what. There is no name given for Jon, not 'Aegon Targaryen' as in Game of Thrones season 6 or any alternative name. He takes her son back to Winterfell where Catelyn is in the godswood with Robb. He introduces Jon to Catelyn pretty much in the same way that's described in the books and gets a very cold reception. This is the final scene of the play.>If there's anything else somewhat new with Ned, it's that he's had issues with praying to the Old Gods correctly since his mother died, finding Catelyn and becoming a husband and father gives him the strength to properly pray again, and this is why he honours Cat by building a sept for her in Winterfell.
>introduced a stable centralized government and tax reform>would setup a standing professional army over shaky feudal "lol get fucked I'm busy m'lord" agreements>harsh but fair, with support of the Lannisters and Tyrell's would've been able to keep the Seven Kingdoms in check>scholar of modern technology (crossbows)>saw the threat of a Dothraki invasion coming, took it serious and would've prevented millions lives lostSure he was a massive shithead in his younger years, but with guidance from Tywin he would've been an excellent king given some time.
This is how I know it was Ned's child and not Brandon:>The tourney was a while before the Rebellion. If she had got pregnant then there's no way the pregnancy lasted that long. >Ned visited her at Starfall and got her with child. >He intended to marry her later because he's too honorable. >But Brandon died and the war began and he got betrothed to Catelyn instead (in exchange for Hoster's alliance)>When Ashara miscarried she was very grief-stricken but was atleast hopeful that he would come back and marry her. That kept her going.>When she saw baby Jon Snow and Ned had to keep up with the pretense, that was the last straw.>She killed herself.
>>222194698cuck
>>222194621Tullypuss causes amnesia
I've never seen a play kill a franchise since Harry Potter
Catelyn won, Ashara lost
>>222194698fuck that, I would not have Ned turned into a cuck by fucking a used dornish cunt
>>222194706Robert don't project your predicament onto your friend
>>222194698What is the narrative purpose of this?Why would Ned have sex out of wedlock and father a bastard with his honour autism?
>Catelyn won
>>222194673Aerys II>The Mad King, though he isn't a primary character. A lot of his mad acts in the second half of the play are taken straight from the books (burning Brandon and Rickard, his succession of Hands, and so on).>Aerys repeatedly says he's more dragon than man, or proof that the Targaryens are more gods than men. He relishes in his power of being able to command people to do anything he wants them to, etc.>As I've said in Rhaegar's section, Aerys tells Rhaegar to end his life, and he seems ready to die in that moment.>His most memorable new 'mad' act is presenting Robert with a model replica of his parents' ship, and it turns out to be a bunch of wooden planks in water for the shipwreck.>Aerys sometimes switches between being mad and lucid, and very rarely some actual sympathetic moments come out, such as his love for Rhaegar as an infant as Summerhall burned. I don't think he's broadly sympathetic or anything, but it's those moments that really show the range of the performance.>When Aerys dies, he seems to think Jaime is Rhaegar and asks him to end his life, as he did in Harrenhal at the beginning of the play.>I don't think Duskendale is brought up, and there's more of an emphasis on Summerhall as where he started to lose his wits all those years ago.
>>222194724the ending of GOT and now HOTD didn’t kill the franchise and you think a play did? And there’s literally a new adaptation of Potter coming out?
Tullysisters rock, Daynesluts shocked!
>>222194749Because he intended on marrying her. But then Brandon got killed
>>222194764SOON
>>222194785>it's already overtullybros not like this...
>>222194778You’ve not answered either of my questions
I will now play CK3AGOT and exterminate every dornshit I will come across
>>222194771Rhaella Targaryen>On the night the bleeding star appears above King's Landing, Aerys orders the Kingsguard to bring her to her chambers to conceive the third head of the dragon. Rhaella shows off her burns from Summerhall to the Kingsguard, also mentions Aerys tearing her back to ribbons and so on.>Jaime tries to shield her from Aerys initially, but the rest of the Kingsguard say they're not meant to protect her from the king. Ashara also passionately steps up for Rhaella and denounces the Kingsguard for what they're doing. Rhaella says her 'womb has a part to play in destiny' or something along those lines. She says she hopes not for a kingly son, but a vengeful daughter who will wake dragons from stone and set the world on fire.>I've seen people say that she is 'abusive', this isn't true or at least straightforwardly so. She says that Aerys started to think her children who died in infancy or were stillborn were 'dead by her hand', and that he doesn't allow her around Viserys on her own, but this is all part of Aerys's paranoia.>She seems to be a woman who is a fierce Targaryen queen at heart but deeply wounded by the abuse she is facing. >Rhaella also talks to Elia and Ashara about Ashara going home after the stillbirth of her child, she does tear into Ashara's morals for getting pregnant outside of wedlock. I think that is at least understandable for Rhaella, a non-Dornish woman, considering Ashara is a lady of the court. Rhaella also eventually gives in and lets Ashara travel to Dorne to mourn, another point that makes me think she's not just mad/cruel.>The actress's performance is very, very strong, the actress has a lot more Shakespeare under her belt than most of the main cast and that definitely translates over to the way she presents Rhaella - which might be part of how people are perceiving her. She's intense, but the same actress plays Shella Whent in a similarly intense manner during the first act.
I fucking hate Tullyrats and rivercunts so much but I have to admit Cat might be the only woman in the series who doesn't fuck around
>>222194800I already did. He had sex with Ashara because he intended on marrying her. He wasn't bethrothed to Cat.
>>222194810And look where that got her
>>222194049attack Casterly Rock and Oldtown with a couple of dragons and extract tribute from the richest enemy houses
I had sex with Ashara before Ned or Brandon
>>222194830That's because unfortunately while loyal she's also completely retarded
Asharasisters... how do we recover from this humilation?
When you realize the play is a gay man's made-up story, everything else will become clear
>>222194838That makes fifteen of us.
A FUCKING WHORE
>>222194823No you didn’t. My first question was what narrative purpose Ned’s relationship with Ashara in which he impregnates her served. My second question was why honour bound Ned had sex with her in the first place rather than marrying her first. You’ve not answered either of these questions.
A DIRTY DORNISH STRUMPET
>>222194852Yeah the room was pretty crowded
>>222194850>the play is JonCon’s smutty fiction he tugs himself off over every nightBet he uses his Greyscale hand and pretends it’s Rhaegar’s too
>>222194568It is knownCatlyn is so obsessed with bastards like Jon but secretly all of her kids are bastardsAshara was the pregnant fisherman's daughter
AND STILL... the purest woman in Westeros
>Genuinely not a single person talking about HOTDGeorge could release a can of his piss and call it "The winds of winter" and it would be the best selling item in every libraryJUST RELEASE THE DAMN THING GEORGE, I DON'T CARE IF ITS DOGSHIT
>>222194876>>222194879ashara had semen from all seven kingdoms + the riverlands within her pussy
Gatehouse Ami? Completely and utterly vindicated
>>222194906JonCon get off AO3
>>222194454hehehe /m'lady/ hehe
best and purest girls:>ashara>cat>cerseiworst and slutties girls:>elia>rhaella>lyanna
>>222194922swap rhaella and cersei
>>222194912A veritable Silent Sister in comparison
>>222194916even Barristan who was Ashara's biggest simp admits she was a skank...
>>222194807Elia Martell>She's a woman proud of her house, and the love she has for her family is very much intertwined with her ambitions for them. Elia respects Rhaegar and wants to be a strong Dornish queen (and get rid of Aerys), but it's clear she doesn't romantically love him. She notes that she came to the marriage just thinking of it as a political marriage, and she already 'loved another'. This is very clearly Ashara Dayne.>As discussed in the Rhaegar section, she's the one trying to do the actual power brokering and setting up the Great Council to depose Aerys, because Rhaegar doesn't really know what to do at all. She asks Rhaegar to speak to Lyanna (as a potential ally) and gets Ashara to recruit Brandon Stark as an ally as well.>Elia gives birth to Aegon. Afterward, it's clear she can't have children, and she has to use a crutch to walk. She is the one who names her son and is the one who presents him to Aerys, who mocks Aegon as a 'half-Dornish mongrel'. She looks humiliated but doesn't speak out against the king.>Elia hears back about Ashara and her sleeping with Brandon Stark, she sarcastically says 'I told you to talk to him, not lay with him' but she's not mad with Ashara.>At the end of the first part, Elia sees Rhaegar crown Lyanna queen of love and beauty and she storms off (doesn't say anything but clear humiliation on her face.) The next part opens with Rhaegar and Lyanna gone. Elia is chained in the Red Keep by Aerys as the war begins. She works with court allies to find some semblance of power over Aerys and his incompetent lackeys. Elia is very mindful about her own position and just how fragile it is now. Even in the first act it's discussed that Aerys's sycophants want Viserys to be the next king instead of Rhaegar and rule as his regent; now that seems all the more plausible with Rhaegar having disappeared, Elia in chains, Rhaenys and Aegon being so young.
>>222194132My big problem is that Robert is so much taller, muscular, and masculine than Rhaegar and he is supposed to have lost a fight and his girl to him? Robert probably has a penis that’s like 9 inches minimum and very vascular. I don’t think they ever mention how big his biceps are, but I’d imagine they’re big as well and he could carry another man with ease. His bench has to be almost 500 lbs. at least. He’s alpha as Hell and, again, Rhaegar took his girl? A man like Robert probably had testosterone levels like a bull shark. You don’t beat a guy like that. That’s the sort of guy who enters the showers and makes even unquestionably straight guys like me insecure. But yeah some anime character beat him, sure.
>>222194937JonCon we are worried about you. You are now dreaming things
>>222194944Cersei thinks Robert was a loser and she was married to him, so...
>>222194944>unquestionably straight guys like meanon…
It turns out, it wasn't Lyanna the realm would go to war over. It was Ashara Dayne, the Maiden incarnate herself.
>>222194944>unquestionably straight guys like me
>>222194217This. The age gap alone is problematic. Rhaegar was like 10 years older than her.
>>222194973That's Katie McGrath in Merlin, bruh.
>>222194939>She learns through Arthur Dayne and Ashara about what's going on in the Tower of Joy, and starts sending letters to Lyanna. Her first letter simply is a request for her to get Rhaegar to come out of hiding and seek a way to end the war, but Lyanna says she can't just do that. Her second letter then brings up the possibility of Lyanna being Rhaegar's second wife in the vein of Aegon the Conqueror. This is the first time she raises this possibility, after the elopement has already happened, and with there being a pretty slim chance she's going to get Rhaegar back on his own.>Elia also meets with Oberyn and her uncle Lewyn, and is the one who convinces Lewyn to fully move against Aerys. She tells them to spread word of her being utterly heartbroken by Rhaegar's disappearance (seems to be why her heartbreak is remembered, not her ambitious personality), and to make sure the Martell host will turn against Aerys if she is ever killed by the king. Her goal is trying to make sure she can come out of the war with her in a position of power and not Aerys if there is a Targaryen victory.>Varys intercepts the letters to the Tower of Joy, and Gerold Hightower is sent to bring Rhaegar into the fold in the war. Rhaegar dies and Elia hears the news, she is shocked, and her main concern is for the welfare/position of herself and her children. She accepts that Viserys is inevitably going to be heir, so plans to go to Rhaella with plans about betrothing him to Rhaenys who can be the strong pro-Dornish queen she will not be. This is the last we see of Elia, and her body (wrapped inside a blood-stained cloth sack) and those of her children are presented before the Iron Throne.She sounds... fine? Mostly just trying to safeguard her position and that of her kids against all the schizo retards around her.
>>222194939>strong Dornish queenlol lmao more like Dornish cuckquean
>>222194049>give dragonriders a lordship and make them cadet branches of Targaryens>demand massive tributes from everyone not contributing to the war effort against the greens>put up graffiti in the streets that paint the greens as degenerate rapists, killers and robbers
>Ned is still haunted by Ashara even when his children are all grown up>Cat literally cowers at how angry he gets from it Ashara still lives rent-free in Ned's mind and makes Cat piss herself
>>222194944t b h this reads like that old homo Useless Osgay talking about Gaemon Fagfyre
>>222195008Please cite the passage where this happens
>>222194990a good casting for her ngl
Ashara the pure virgin
>She is the one who names her son and is the one who presents him to Aerys, who mocks Aegon as a 'half-Dornish mongrel'. She looks humiliated but doesn't speak out against the king.
Ashara is so pure, she can have sex with a thousand men and still remain a virgin
Kind of funny that Lyn Corbray of all people is the reason Elia got her smashed in by the Mountain rather than successfully couping King's Landing
>>222195026She should have been alys rivers
>>222195060
>>222195045>Aerys "Daemon Blackfyre did nothing wrong" Targaryen
>>222194992>She sounds... fine? Mostly just trying to safeguard her position and that of her kids against all the schizo retards around her.NOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO CHARACTERIZE ELIA SHE'S A SYMBOL FOR LANNISTER PERFIDY
>>222194217And the play presents him as utterly incompetent politically and unsuitable for his role. Just look at this autist.>I'm the chosen one>Wait I'm not the chosen one>This girl tells me she's gonna have magical babies with me, I'm in love>Wait, people are dying because of my choices? I don't like prophecies anymore, I just wanna be a hippie with my psycho gf.>Well that sucks, guess I have to fight now.>ACK
>robert's rebellion was also partly orchestrated by baelishbravo gurm
the reason Ned got so angry with Cat when she insinuated that Ashara was Jon's mother was that the very idea of fucking that used-up Dornish whore disgusted him.
>>222195102He fulfilled the prophecy of ice and fire, saving the world
>>222195102He also had the choice to remove Aerys early but was too much of a pussy to do it.
>>222195111Cat is Dornish?
play bros we're not looking good for ohr legitimacy we need to regroup at harrenhal
>>222195111Also because it reminded him that people think he dishonoured himself by supposedly having a bastard, because he knows Brandon dishonoured himself and Ashara, because Brandon’s mistakes are affecting his image, and because the entire thing is making his wife sad.
>>222194846Reread the books. She's arguably the most accurate observer of all POVs and like 98% of her advice is politically sound. Most of Robb's problems happen when he doesn't listen to her.
>>222195182>Frees Jaime in your path
>>222195182i reread them and they are painfully self absorbed to go through. she believes she's some sort of messiah who knows everything correct when she's clearly extremely stupid
>>222194906First woman who made the eight
>>222195182Waterlogged resurrected fingers typed this post
Reminder that it was Catelyn in the books that persuaded Ned to take the position as Hand. She indirectly caused all this mess.
the prophecy shit is so gay
>>222195182>don’t worry Ned, you can trust Petyr>don’t worry Robb, you can trust Roose
>>222195224It was Catelyn in the books who kidnapped Tyrion which caused Ned and his party to get ambushed which resulted in his week long coma in which time he could’ve discovered the truth and exposed the bastards
If pure, loyal Ashara had married Ned the War of the Five Kings would've never happened.
>>222195060>Lyn CorbrayHe's a pederast.
I just took a massive shit lads, the smell reminded me of Ashara Dayne
Flowery shits? In this economy?
after the miscarriage Ashara went into a coma and dreamed a pov where she's married to a Tully. she killed herself from that experience alone.
>>222195326She realised she could never have the happiness he saw because she’s a whore and dishonoured herself KWAB
>>222195356she realised better dead than married to a Tully and Tommen'd
>>222194008Do you think Ned still owns the cuck chair
I feel so humiliated for making Ashara my waifu all these years
Ned Stark was a saint.
>cat was immediately smitten by brandon>took her years to love Ned>brandon probably deflowered cat before he diednedbros...
>>222195406Cat's pov debunks all this, showtranny
>>222194088no. she can't handle them since she's a pure maiden.
>>222195422>Cat's POVlying whore
Why did they think making Elia yet another “dumber than they think” schemer was an improvement to the character? Her being a nice person destroyed by Targ obsession and autism was much more impactful.
>>222195406Ned wasn’t particularly smitten with Cat either, it was a political marriage just like Robert’s.
>lying whore
>>222195453Jon Connington PoV in Winds will explain why
>>222195451That’s not how a POV works retard
>>222195453It's not an improvement to the character, but rather the worldbuilding: it confirms that Dorne is a nation of scheming evil whores and that letting them at court is high treason, which vindicates the ONE TRUE KING DAEMON BLACKFYRE FIRST OF HIS NAME
catelyn bros... thank god ned is stupid and can't look at his own children when opening the book about noble lineages
>>222195453>Her being a nice person destroyed by Targ obsession and autism was much more impactful.yeah, if you're a boring cunt
>everybody is a schemer
>>222195499>only Dornish woman who isn’t a dumb slut with low iq >yet another Dornish woman who IS a dumb slut with low iq
Is Brandon actually the Robert to Ned's Stannis? Did he cuck Ned every step of the way?
>>222195260Who massacred all the Dornish at the Trident and prevented their dastardly plot. This caused the death of Elia, her children and subsequently Oberyn. Man deserves a statue for his contributions to the extermination of the Martell menace, truly a worthy heir to the Blackfyre cause.
>>222195525>my preconceived notion of a character who never appeared onscreen before turned out to be incorrect, and now I am very offended and upset
>>222194771>When Aerys dies, he seems to think Jaime is Rhaegar and asks him to end his life, as he did in Harrenhal at the beginning of the play....>But when he closed his eyes, it was Aerys Targaryen he saw, pacing alone in his throne room, picking at his scabbed and bleeding hands. The fool was always cutting himself on the blades and barbs of the Iron Throne. Jaime had slipped in through the king’s door, clad in his golden armor, sword in hand. The golden armor, not the white, but no one ever remembers that. Would that I had taken off that damned cloak as well.>When Aerys saw the blood on his blade, he demanded to know if it was Lord Tywin’s. “I want him dead, the traitor. I want his head, you’ll bring me his head, or you’ll burn with all the rest. All the traitors. Rossart says they are inside the walls! He’s gone to make them a warm welcome. Whose blood? Whose?”>“Rossart’s,” answered Jaime.>Those purple eyes grew huge then, and the royal mouth drooped open in shock. He lost control of his bowels, turned, and ran for the Iron Throne. Beneath the empty eyes of the skulls on the walls, Jaime hauled the last dragonking bodily off the steps, squealing like a pig and smelling like a privy. A single slash across his throat was all it took to end it. So easy, he remembered thinking. A king should die harder than this.Yup, noncanon trash.
>>222195540>supposedly plot to overthrow the Targaryens>yet fight with them
>>222195542If all stated information about a character points a certain way it does indeed make sense for you to assume that the collective wisdom is correct
>>222195559Yet none of it is correct.
>>222195566Play isn’t canon anyways.
>>222195542The preconceived notion was better than what it turned out to be so yeah, I will criticize it>EVERY dornish is an evil schemerIs not very compelling
everyone in asoiaf is obsessed with prophecies now
Griffin's Roost agents working overtime
>>222195530Job Arryn’s parenting impresses me more with the understanding that the other start siblings were all fucktards, including apparently Benjen, at least in this
>>222195599If Ned gets outshown by his brother and sister at every point Jon's parentage wasn't that great either
>>222195242>don’t worry Ned, you can trust PetyrPretty much everybody in the realm trusts Petyr except for Stannis, that's his whole shtick. He was also her childhood friend and he was a normal kid then. You're blaming her for not being psychic.>don’t worry Robb, you can trust RooseDa Norf trusted Roose just fine back then, and Greatjon had been retarded enough to pull a sword on his liege lord because he got insulted, among other things. That's objectively a terrible match against Tywin.Cat's only truly dumb (as in something that you can see will have bad consequences at that very moment) decisions are taking Tyrion hostage and releasing Jaime, though in Tyrion's case nobody had expected that Tywin would immediately go into total civil war mode, not even trying to resolve the issue lawfully.
>>222195453Making every dornish character ever into an inept schemer is pretty funny.
>>222195559>If all stated information about a character points a certain waythe only information given about Elia in the books is that she was clever, sicky, and she died, not of that contradicts her having political ambitions
the lore reveals in the play wouldn't have been received so divisively if THAT FAT FUCK released TWOW as he should have
>The worst Dayne they said Apologize to the Sword of the Evening
>>222195610>You're blaming her for not being psychic.The last time she saw him was in the aftermath of being humiliated in a duel for her hand>though in Tyrion's case nobody had expected that Tywin would immediately go into total civil war mode, not even trying to resolve the issue lawfully.And that was stupid
>ned cucked>robertdouble cucked>catelyn cucked>eliacucked >benjenwalledonly rhaegar and brandon won. who writes this shit?
>>222195585Schizo Targshits and one chuuni Stark girl are everyone now?
>X isn't canon
>>222195643Brandon died like a bitch
>>222195546IMAGINE the smell.
Aside from the ironborn raids, Lannisport looks nice to live in
>>222195648seven hells
>>222195643>Benjen>wonWhat, dying like a retard? Dishonoring himself?
>>222195648HotD is canon btw. A faceless man will probably die in Rhaenyra's place and she will survive in secret
>>222195643When was Ned cucked?
>>222195664The city resembles Kings Landing slums from all the descriptive images I have seen
>>222195664Is Lannisport more like Gironde, Bretagne or Cornwall?
Is there a single man in the kingdom who did not enjoy the private company of Ashara Dayne, apart from Ned
>>222195687it’s Corpus Christi
>>222195694Barristan
>>222195680>brandon, petyr and hodor for all i know
>>222195664Looks like syphilis and scurvy.
>>222195681Lannisport is rich city with organized plumbing and good roads
>>222195706I totally forgot that it’s just dropped at the end of dance that he was in love with her
>>222195668and the lesbian teashop in Essos with Alicent?
>>222195694Arthur Dayne. He couldn't get it up but Lord knows he tried.
>>222195704Lannisters=Oil barons who own the Dallas cowboys
>>222195719it's not canon
>>222195694Ned did thoughever
>>222195680Never, it's the Ashara schizo spamming nonsense again. Ned married a loyal fertile redhead and had the happiest marriage in Westeros until Lysa and Petyr ruined everything.
>>222195704>westcoast like eastcoast
>>222195118Arya killed night king
>>222195722The play makes Arthur gay. He was getting his back broken daily by Whent
>>222194157which ones?
When you play the Game of Corner Thrones, you either cuck or be cucked. There is no middle ground.
I don’t care for lyanna and rhaegar as a concept
>>222195637The only good Dayne.
>>222194157The Alicent killing Aemond ones, or the Rhaenyra killing Helaena ones?
>it's not Lyanna, she was the one saying "Promise me, Ned"
>>222195745Failing to breed his dear sister drove him to the opposite extreme, yes.
>>222195762The concept is fine, but a lot of it just doesn’t make much sense. There’s no actual reason why he couldn’t have sent ravens to the starks or to the vale or whatever to explain himself. Rhaegar didn’t even really try to avoid a conflict because he was spending every hour in the Tower buried in Stark cunny down in Dorne
>>222195771Alicent kills the witch during her failed attempt to kill Aemond
How big of an ass and how supple her tits had to have been for Ned, Brandon and Barristan to all fall in love with Ashara?
>>222195762Dragons dreams
>>222195811Ned never fell in love with Ashara, for Brandon it was a pump and dump
>>222195811Her beauty is described as “haunting” or ghostly or whatever iirc so I think it’s less that she had big boobs and more that she was a stunningly beautiful face + mysterious elf queen vibes
>>222194048Shut up deckard
>>222195811she was a big girl
>>222195811>>222195833I hear it’s because she did anal
>>222194771>When Aerys dies, he seems to think Jaime is Rhaegar and asks him to end his life, as he did in Harrenhal at the beginning of the play.wait...WAIT A MINUTE !if i remember correctly, aerys NEVER said that and only said BURN THEM ALL !jaime talk about this, so it's another bullshit from the play.ofc, it's if i remember correctly, someone remember that too ?
>>222195848Dornish sand pussy is fantastic but you really do just have to keep them locked up all day when you’re gone to keep the flys off
the cunt that ejaculated a thousand cocks
>>222194837>attack a giant cavernous mountain fortress Lmao. Try it dragon bitch.
>>222195546>AAAAAAAH JAIME WAIT DON'T KILL ME I'LL SUCK YOUR DICK YOU WANT ME TO EAT SHIT I'LL EAT YOUR FUCKING SHIT oh wait it's you Rhaegar, you giant nerd, what took you so long? Fucking do it you pussy, i want to meet Egg again
>>222195809B-but muh House Whent.
>>222195867>roasted inside like Harrenhal
>>222195867>burn the top>manga flows insidethat was really hard...
>Jaime goes for his sword and nearly draws on Arthur and Hightower at the same time when he sees Rhaella getting beaten/raped That’s why Young Lion is the GOAT
>>222195891You can’t burn down a mountain dumbass.
>>222195857No, you're right. This is clearly a play invention to drive home the ambivalence of Aerys and Rhaegar's relationship in short form.
>>222195904>nearly>almost>wantedthe useless goat
>>222195894>manga flows insideDamn they even got entertainment
Aerys knowing about the plot the entire time and it just sort of being an open secret that there is a coup being plotted is actually really funnyAt one point straight up dares Rhaegar to do something and he pussies out lol
>>222195891Don't look up why Targs didn't pursue Loren Lannister after the Field of Fire.
>>222195809No fucking way lmao the copers are not going to like this...
>>222194056It's "And there, there was a fair bear"
>>222195894The Lannisters have been preparing since the field of fire. They can handle a little magma flow before the lizard abominations get tired.
>>222195749The horrible sex scene ones.
>>222195749can you post it?
>>222194850the play is made by duncan mcmillan who is a closeted homosexual
>>222195965Who’s Arya supposed to inherit the power of anime from now?
>>222195833>stunningly beautiful face + mysterious elf queen vibesThat anon was right. Young Jennifer Connelly or Liv Tyler is a good casting
>They would kiss for hours, and spend whole days doing no more than lolling in bed, listening to the waves, and touching each other. Her body was a wonder to him, and she seemed to find delight in his. Sometimes she would sing to him. I loved a maid as fair as summer, with sunlight in her hair. "I love you, Tyrion," she would whisper before they went to sleep at night. "I love your lips. I love your voice, and the words you say to me, and how you treat me gentle. I love your face."
>>222195993got and hotd are not canon? I thought you knew anon...
>>222195833>>222195994she was a dago from dorne so probably had a big nose and brown nipples
>>222195858>dayne>dornish
Of course S8 is canon. Of course Bran is king
>>222196008She’s still a little anime gremlin in the books.
>>222196025Daynes are very white. They are pre-First Men
>>222196004Where do whores go?
Cersei x Rhaegar really was the good ending huh
>>222196004Wherever whores go....
Joanna Lannister with green contacts
>>222195833all that just to be a whore
>>222196046>Daynes are very white.just like Northern Italians, right?
>>222196025As much as I love brown nipples no
>>222196069northern italians are literally germans
>>222196064I still don't get the difference between Joanna and Johanna Lannister
>>222196064Tyrion killed THIS?
>>222196046they are proto valyrian, as white as the targaryens
just how much more will grrm allow asoiaf to be raped
>northern italians are literally germans
>>222196050Cerseis rhaegar boner might be big enough to love being part of a harem as long as she can keep fucking Jaime on the side.
>>222196091he will rape it himself. this play is proof of that
>>222196087Nobody knowsWe have top maesters on the case but they cannot distinguish between the two
>>222196004his chapters are so sad on a re-read
>>222196123It's a lost cause then
>>222196050I could see Cersei being decently happy with a sad, politically retarded autist as long as he's faithful to her and doesn't publicly embarrass her.
Dornish women are insane
>>222196087Yea I forget sometimes to. But Joanna Lannister (Tywin’s wife) actually has the same name as Charles Dance’s ex wife. Johanna is the one who wrecks the iron born.
>post yfw people thought the play was canon
Tysha had to be mad ugly to go for Tyrion. That or it's alcohol fuelled hallucinations
>>222194078>>222194056Now lets hear Ser Cristian's song
>>222196152>ack!
>She will never wash the stain away, no matter how hard she scrubs. Ser Kevan remembered the girl she once had been, so full of life and mischief. And when she'd flowered, ahhhh … had there ever been a maid so sweet to look upon? If Aerys had agreed to marry her to Rhaegar, how many deaths might have been avoided? Cersei could have given the prince the sons he wanted, lions with purple eyes and silver manes … and with such a wife, Rhaegar might never have looked twice at Lyanna Stark. The northern girl had a wild beauty, as he recalled, though however bright a torch might burn it could never match the rising sun.Kevan knew
I wish winds of winter existed
>>222195935Why didn't they just fucking poison Aerys. Are you telling me Elia was so stupid she forgot that her brother was a master poisoner?
>>222196162The idea of a nice, not cunt Cersei is pleasing enough ig but she pushed Melara Hetherspoon down a well when she was like 12, so I’m not sure she was ever mentally stable to begin with
>>222196204Rhaegar didn't want his father dead
>>222196181It does. When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, when the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. Then and only then will it be released.
>>222196135So, Ned then. Because Rhaegar is an even bigger danger to everyone around him than Cersei
>>222196208>but she pushed Melara Hetherspoon down a well when she was like 12she was asking for it, she wanted Jaime
>>222196204>>222196217Varys was too smert.
>>222196135Cersei wanted to be Queen. She isn’t settling for some nobody.
>nice, not cunt CerseiUnironically Myrcella, as remarked upon a couple times. Has Cersei’s beauty but not her evil.
>>222196238not smart enough to not give dany 3 eggs jej
Damn I know this Cersei would be down for a good shagging.
>>222196229He was by all accounts harmless until he met Lyanna and they started feeding each other's schizophrenia.
It’s all Egg’s fault btw
>>222196244Rhaegar was the crown prince, anon.
>>222196245One ear at the time
>>222196248They should have died holding hands desu.
>>222196162>Ser Kevan remembered the girl she once had been, so full of life and mischief. And when she'd flowered, ahhhh … had there ever been a maid so sweet to look upon?Damn.
>>222196277I didn’t realise Rhaegar was the autist being referred to. I withdraw my comment.
>>222196279Yee yee ass haircut.
>>222196245>will be killed by the DornishActually Ironborn-tier
>>222196301>>222196301
>>222196292>Gods my pubescent niece has a cracking bodyNo, I really mean it, why is George like this?
>>222196279>Cersei when “younger and more beautiful” refers to inner beauty instead of shallow physical looks
>>222196305Tristan will love his veiled bride for the rest of his life even if she doesn’t think she’s pretty anymore. Darkstar is going to get gelded.
>>222196318This is just an uncle appreciating his niece’s beauty. If Tywin had chosen someone else for a wife maybe he would have married Joanna.
Victarion gets hard when he thinks Asha wants to marry him, though he does put that away quickly mentally
>>222194944Gayest thing I've read today, congrats
>>222195917yes, that shit play isn't canon
>>222194944Lyanna was smol like Arya. She didn’t want to be bulldozed by a whoremongering stag. Only a true whore size queen like Cersei is fit to take it every night and she would have if Robert was not a drunk piece of shit.
>>222194125>randomly turns Lyanna into the series' biggest Mary SueBRAVO GEORGE
