i liked it

>>224205304
How can a film make $600m and be “financially disappointing” what kind of books are they running over there

>>224205336
because it costs 500m to make&market you fumb retarded sack of reditor nigger shit

>>224205336
Thanks to inflation $600 million is basically $400 Million in 2014 dollars

Movie was a flop

What's hilarious is that WB threw a similar fit over Man of Steel not making more money back in the day but they'd be over the moon if a DC movie made $900 Million today which is what MoS did adjusted for inflation

>>224205304
It sucked
Supergirl was even worse
Clayface was a bore

>>224205304
>WHY ISN'T EVERYONE A FAGGOT LIKE ME?!?!?

KYS Tranny.

>>224205304
Superman: The Movie > Superman II > Superman Returns > power gap > Superman > Man of Steel > power gap > Superman IV > power gap > BVS

haven't seen Superman III

there's no place for kindness in the 2020s, perhaps the 21st century in general.

if you saw some girl injured on the side of the road, you'd WANT to help (any non-psychopath man would), but would you physically go over? what if it involved touching her, talking to her?

>>224205908
>Superman > Man of Steel
Fuck outta here, dork

>>224205908
>Man of Steel above anything
Fuck outta here, dork

>>224205908
i completely agree with you, i just want to join in with the bullying. dork.

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>>224205304
Reminder that an Instagram post caused more online buzz than the entire Gunn DCU.

no one cares about Superman, bro

>>224205358
"Oh no we only made a 100 000 000 dollars in profit :("

>>224206049
>Oh no we only made a 100 000 000 dollars in profit
They didn't. It was most likely a loss.

>>224205304
>pop culture impact

Ie it pissed off Zionists

>>224205336
Brainlet- Google what ROI is.
Google what percentage of money cinemas keep and studiots get

>>224206049
100M is not a safe foundation to build a sequel on. Odds usually point to a sequel making less, and with the lackluster reception it would likely still require a massive advertising budget to get people to see it. That would mean they would need to slash the production budget, and it's unlikely people want to see a Superman movie that's devoid of CGI garbage and action. I wouldn't invest in it.

>>224206049
Yes, idiot.
100 million in profit is not much when initial investment is 300 million and a couple of years

>>224205358
Maybe dont spend half a billion dollars on the movie then?

Godzilla minus zero was made with 13-18 million budget and that film looks good and has impressive action. The real peoblem with hollywood is their over inflated production cost.

>>224206062
>>224206141
Hollywood accounting isn’t real outside of reddit retards there is a 0% chance this film didn’t make a profit. Some retarded executive has just pitched a new DCU initiative to justify their pointless do nothing job and used the current movies not making a gorbillion $ that some brain dead analyst said they should have based on social media metrics or other bullshit data.

The whole industry is a scam just like all other white collar work in deindustrialized western countries.

>>224205304
umm.. punkrockers.. did we just lose?

How do you define pop culture impact?

>>224205304
All that Spamming for what LOL.

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>>224207431
fuck... fuck white males...

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>>224205304
THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR GETTING ALL STREAMING PLATFORMS TO ADD "as featured in Superman" TO THE TITLE OF "PUNKROCKER", FAGGOOOOOTS!

>>224207617
God I love it when they lie through their teeth like this.

>>224206185
>The real peoblem with hollywood is their over inflated production cost.
Aka money laundering

>>224207676
Cool it with the antisemitism.

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Why is everybody collectively pretending this isn't 100% about how the most recent Superman movie very clearly made their in universe stand in for Israel the evil bad guys?

It's not a mystery- it's very obvious. It's literally why their family bought tiktok- because videos of the genocide in gaza were getting millions of views and completely turned an entire generation into haters of zionism. They said as much. It's not a secret- they're doing it out in the open and saying out loud why they're doing it.

>>224208219
Who cares? This seems like a basically different mentality between christians and jews. Esoteric judaism lends itself to secrecy and concealment, but the christian knows every truth will be told in the end. It doesn't matter what some grubby mob think for one news cycle, what matters is reality. Either Israel will genocide palestinians and become an ethnostate or they won't, it's not about managing a fucking narrative.

>>224205336
Anons can argue with you, but classifying a film that hits 600m as a disappointment is proof that something's fucked up, either the 200m+ budget was needlessly inflated, or conversely was understated, or they spent way too much on advertising. Whatever the case, the fact is they were absolutely fucking delusional if they were expecting a Superman movie to make much more than it did. Superman is a beloved character, sure, but the DC film universe is a mess in general, with extremely low hype levels compared to even the current state of Marvel, and the fact that this was a new Superman actor in a new cinematic universe probably dampened audience's potential hype even further.
They should have gone into it thinking of it as a 500m box office film, not some 1b+ cultural phenomenon

>>224205336
Factor cost of opportunity. If making a movie makes me less money than just buying some safe bonds, I lost that money.
>b-but, muh capitalism is le evil
You want your bombastic cape flicks? You need the Juden money.

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Reminder Superman 2025 was a larger financial success than Batman Begins was at the time and online “industry trackers” would have been calling for the Nolanverse to be taken out to the pasture prior to the Dark Knight based on Begin’s financial performance under the same level of scrutiny.

>>224208298
>nonsensical gibberish
Jesus Christ, how fast were the Ellisons able to brainwash you? They've only owned Warner Brothers for like 10 minutes and now you're spewing out zionist talking points like you work for the idf.

The overwhelming majority of zionists in the world are american evangelical christians. like 75% of them. zionism has absolutely nothing to do with judaism. literally the people that founded it were athiests.

They're literally just racists and want oil. that's the whole thing. it's not complicated or esoteric- it's like if the klan tried to annex a bunch of land on top of an oil derrick in texas and started carpet bombing everyone in Louisiana and then ran around tell anybody that said that was wrong they were bigots.

>>224205358
>it costs 500m to make&market

Found your problem.

>>224205336
I think they went above and beyond with the marketing to try and give it a real push

>>224205304
Yeah?
No shit
Henry was the best Superman, and you cant just fucking reboot and remove him when it was just a couple years ago

>no batman
yeah no wonder it flopped
i only care about batman, the best superhero ever made

>>224206049
A big Hollywood film needs to make 2.5x the budget to even break even.

>>224206049
They also sacrificed the last batch of Snyderverse films for Gunn's sake, they most certainly expected a billy at least from this superman

>>224205304
the punk rock was neither punk nor rock.
In fact, it was very effeminate.

>>224205304
The lack of “pop culture impact” is the real anvil on the head here. Superman’s pop culture impact was just anti-Snyder sentiment. Nobody actually cares about all that hopecore garbage. Hell not a single DCU project would come out without its fan comparing and bashing Snyder’s work and vice versa. You’re just not going anywhere that.

>>224208626
Snyder was out for half a decade before Gunn was brought in. It was either Gunn or the Rock, and I don’t see any reason to think WB missed on out a litty billy under Gunn.

>>224205304
>It's not about the money, it's about restoring faith in the bra-ACKKKK

>>224206015
>Norwoodman

>>224207295
Something that stays with people (real people, who will buy merchandise and will support the next installments) longer than 3 weeks.

>>224208409
You can stop at saying you didn't understand. It's a demographic fact that Israel is already 20% legal muslims and can't add more chunks of land without adding more muslims. They unleashed a ridiculous war in Gaza and supposedly killed less than 100k out of 2.5 million, meanwhile the west bank grows more densely populated every year.

>>224208399
Reminder: 2005 was 20 years ago. Kids still bought toys en masse and home video was a much more lucrative business.

>>224208399
What was Batman Begins' competition in 2005?
What was the proportion of budget/marketing to Box Office + rentals?
What capeshit fatigue was it facing?
Was the "Nolanverse" plagued by other stupid franchise decisions and a questionable lineup?
Did Batman Begins lack cultural impact?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLd4SLcRbZI

>>224208655
The Rock's DC plan was literally "Black Adam beats up Superman and everyone claps" while he quietly ignores Shazam, the only character he's actually connected to. It would've been just as dead, only with more Under Armour and tequila product placement.
WB didn't pick Gunn because he's a genius, they picked him because every other option was a corpse with a spreadsheet.

Will all Superman movies be disappointing if they don't make a billion?

>>224208409
>zionism has absolutely nothing to do with judaism.

lol, lmao even.

>>224208760
Yes. Batman too.

>>224205304
Gunn Jeets lost. Snyder Jeets won.

>>224205380
Correct.

>>224208745
>What was Batman Begins' competition in 2005?
No such thing. Superhero movies at the time felt cheap, tacky and childish, normies didn't hold this genre in a high regard. Anything campy but cool was getting wrecked by GenX mob in reviews.

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Why didnt you listen to him?

>>224208744
This. I remember entire aisles dedicated to just Attack of the Clones in toy stores when I was a kid.

A snyderchad just raped me

>>224205304
How is it confusing that it has no cultural impact? There havent been any memes, no quotes, no anything. This movie blew by like a wet fart and got forgotten by everyone.

>>224208825
I suspected you were an ignorant zoomer, arguing in bad faith. Thank you for confirming it.
The point of the question, for any midwits not grasping it, was that Batman being a limited "financial success" in 2025 was considerably different than Superman (2025) being lackluster in the face of MCU dominance and upcoming Doomsday (however stupid the actual movie will be).

>>224208767
It doesn't.

Theodor Herzl was the founder and chief proponent of zionism in it's inception and he was a secular atheist from Hungary. It's why actual religious jewish people- the orthodox adamantly oppose the state of israel. it's actual existence goes against their religion.

It would be like if during nazi germany hitler had said
>"the third reich is the true state home for christianity, and anyone who disagrees is anti christian!"
and then just proceeded to try and equate nazism with christianity and claimed they were one and the same.

It doesn't make it true- or that it's even something most christians would believe or agree with. It just means a guy with a big army and a bunch of guns is using religion as a false pretense to steal land and resources and commit genocide to expand their territorial borders

>>224205336
You can flip anything as a positive or a negative.
>Superman BOMBED, it's such a strong property that it should have made 2 BILLION
>Superman OVERPERFORMED, doing the yeoman's work of rehabilitating his image and introducing a friendlier Superman after darker interpetations drew criticism
My bet is that WB is in shambles and someone high up wanted to keep their job, so they put all the blame for the bad choices of the previous decade plus on Gunn and ousted him to make it look like regime change was underway, to placate shareholders. Superman made money and the average viewer mostly liked it, you wouldn't drag it like that unless you had a narrative you wanted to spin

>>224208785
*Snyder chads

>>224207295
Retweets

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>>224205304
>all of Gunn's DCU combined couldn't break a billy

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>>224206084
>>224207295
>>224208645
>>224208869
>no cultural impact
>There havent been any memes, no quotes, no anything

>>224208744
I don’t think Batman Begins moved any significant toys. A quick google search suggests it was not a toy mover. And this tracks with what I remember, I was a kid at this time and I don’t remember seeing any BB toy merchandise, mostly stuff from the DCAU. Although Superman 2025 also had rather poor toy sales iirc. I wonder how much they got from the Fortnite skin lmao. As for DVDs, I can attest Batman Begins was a hit. Hard to say how many rentals and subscribers Superman brought in. Something comparable to amount of DVDs BB sold? What about people who stayed subscribed in anticipation for Superman, should that count? Can that even be ascertained? Still not sure Begins passes the “profitability” threshold held by critics online.
>>224208745
I dunno, you tell me and I’ll see if I find your arguments convincing

>>224208321
The reboot of Superman should have been a retro period piece drama, for 2 reasons:

1. The aw shucks boyscout persona just isn't buyable in the modern era. This version of Superman is from a bygone era, and should have stayed there until sufficient character development was made to bring him into modern times.
2. Facial recognition technology is good enough to identify individual Chinese people in a crowd, of all people. It's hard to suspend disbelief about CK not being found out when this tech exists.

X-men: First Class had the right idea - going back in time to the beginning of the characters' introduction, and checking in on the characters every few years as they progress through the decades - except they executed it terribly (shit writing, moving too fast through time).

The next reboot of Superman should take place in the 1960s at the latest.

>>224209143
>I was a kid at this time and I don’t remember seeing any BB toy merchandise
poorfag.
I had tons of BB merch that Christmas. And I specify merch, because it wasn't just "toys" since I was too old for toys by then.
>I dunno, you tell me
Fuck off, lmao. Your argument is shit and you clearly lack the wit to provide any clever or amusing responses.

Hahahahhahahhaha I guess the wElL iM A PuNk RaWkEr YeS I Am faggots got exactly what they deserved by injecting shitty liberal talking points into a movie that didnt need it. I guess all the shitty yt and Instagram reels about how the nu-superman is a heckin wholesome squirrel saving chungus while Cavill was mean and dark didnt pay off, huh faggots?

Hahahhahahahahhahahahaha

>>224209325
how was rebel moon bro

>>224205304
So he were fired unwillingly, he can't even be a graceful loser

>>224208873
That wasn’t me, I’m >>224209143.
> The point of the question, for any midwits not grasping it, was that Batman being a limited "financial success" in 2025 was considerably different than Superman (2025) being lackluster in the face of MCU dominance and upcoming Doomsday (however stupid the actual movie will be).
This is the exact mentality that got Warner into trouble with the Snyderverse.
>>224209270
> I had tons of BB merch that Christmas. And I specify merch, because it wasn't just "toys" since I was too old for toys by then
Anecdotal. Please produce something substantial.
> Fuck off, lmao. Your argument is shit and you clearly lack the wit to provide any clever or amusing responses.
Buddy your argument for how success BB was at moving merch was your parents buying you a bunch of shit at Christmas. That’s a piss poor argument. I’m not going to do your research for you. Every cursory google search suggests BB was not a big merch or toy mover. I’m willing to be convinced but you’re going to need to put in the effort if you actually give a shit at distinguishing Superman 2026 from Batman Begins.
“You tell me” is also a top tier response, iykyk

>>224205336
Gunn cooked the numbers. The movie costed 400m after tax rebates. Plus 250m marketing. It was the most expensive marketing ever for WB, even more than barbie.
Thats 650m.
Now take the cut from theaters, and it lost a shit ton of money. Toys didnt sell. Superman mcfarlane wave was a pegwarmer at ross. Discounted after 1 month. They didnt even finish the charactesr. There are no collector figures of Hawkgirl and Guy for example.
Meanwhile there are 10 upcoming Cavills and Baffleck figures from different brands.

>>224209350
>So he were fired unwillingly
saar

>>224209333
Not as good as Man of Steel, which was simultaneously a mature superman AND proof positive of a live action DBZ film.

And to be fair I don't even have anything against the movie or the new Superman I'm referring to, I'm talking about James Gunn and his shitty social media posts and the shitty social media posted by people who think he's awesome. I honestly legitimately think the movie would have made more money if he would have just shut the fuck up and kept his opinions to himself and hadn't tried to make interviews soundbites about the relevance of "immigration rights" for superman while literally copying Invincible's conquering kryptonian foreigner shtick. And DA BOYZ Black Noir clone shtick too, while he was at it.

Nobody wants to be around toxic positivity retards or the shit they promote.

>>224208746
>The Rock's DC plan was literally "Black Adam beats up Superman and everyone claps"
>Source: My ass

>>224209389
>Anecdotal. Please produce something substantial.

>dunno, you tell me and I’ll see if I find your arguments convincing
>>224209143

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>>224205930
This is weird. Gunnshitverse was aonnounced as a return to optimism, hope and wholesome chungus, but other than Superman 2025, the other media is quite dreary, miserable, jaded, cynic and hopeless.

Creature commandos, Peacemaker, Lanterns (Hal Jordan death is not even avenged or at leas the murderer sent to prison) and clayface. If we see the overarching structure where is the optimism, hope and feel good shit? There isnt, its like a whole universe built by hopelessness. Like 5 out of 6 media is BvS tier dark.

Now the new manager wants wholesome chungus for her grandma, and everyone is going nuts. But isnt that what you wanted from Gunn? Why are you complaining now? because you never wanted chungus boyscout shit.

>>224205336
Gunn Superman movie was unironically lame compared to the Snyder ones. The fight scenes in the Snyder movie alone shit all over gunnverse.

>>224205304
Everything I've seen of Superman was so fucking ugly, with it's weird camera angles and extremely aggressive orange and blue color grading, that it just turned me off completely.

Remember when Iron Man had decent pop-culture impact, and most importantly laid a fantastic foundation for more to come. And they capitalised on that by immediately releasing Agatha-all-Along, and and animated Agents of Shield series, followed by What-IF?

No? They didn't do that? Huh... sounds crazy to me.

>>224209495
If Gunn had been in charge of the MCU it would've been
>Iron Man
>Iron Heart
>Morbius

>>224209416
What’s your point? You could take the time to answer the questions you asked me and make an affirmative argument. Im happy you got cool Batman Begins merch, you should share pics of it in this thread :)
>>224209444
Have a good one

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>>224209495
But who wouldn't want to watch Gunn's self insert and his friends murder people with XTR3ME GORE and SWEARING.

they're just mad that gunn made the villains the jews

how did right wing faggots become the jew dick suckers?

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>>224209459
I never wanted chungus wongus shit, all I wanted was pic related. We were so close too. Oh well

>>224209547
It was russians. Because all liberals where pro ukraine at the time the movie was written. Hell, you have russian buildings and russian language, and russian actors in the movie as if it wasnt very clear.

>>224205304
It's true though. Outside of the terminally online and fags trying to pretend like everyone loved it. Nobody cared.

>>224205336
The money laundering didn't work this time

>>224209416
>>224209444
>samefag

>>224209143
Batman Begins was more of a proof of concept for the studio after the abysmal failure of the toyetic Batman & Robin. It was legitimately a different time, superhero movies were not nearly as big business as they were in the 2010s on. There were different priorities, they wanted a more "adult" Batman that could appeal to multiple demographics.

>>224209643
>>224209524
We really need IDs on this board so people can't cry "samefag" the second they get BTFO.

>>224205336
>Wanted to be Marvel for years
>Restart an entire universe to finally be Marvel
>Bring in the "Marvel Guy"
>Expected him do do way better than "that Snyder Guy
>Think they'll finally get "Marvel results"
>Release Marvel Guy's Superman movie
>No where near Marvel
>Mogged by Man of Steel
>Without inflation
>Already falling behind last universe
That's how

>>224205304
Cultural impact now means “Inspired a photoshop trend or TikTok dance”.
But no Superman movie was ever going to have the impact of the irate Dooner/Reeves Superman. There’s no longer a monoculture to support it.

>>224209704
Boomers need to accept that people don't give a fuck about Superman or the Fantastic Four anymore. We're not in the '50s.

>>224205336
The black culture consultants aren't cheap, please understand

>>224209712
People don't have to know any characters. Media and the culture around them tells you who or what they are. Nobody cared for gunns version of these characters.

>>224209704
Superman is plainly a dated character. No one on this day and age is looking up to be a goody wo shoes boy scout

>>224209768
Yeah but there's nothing cool about Superman.
>his power is... he can't be harmed also he can hear a fly fart, can shoot lasers from his eyes and he's incredibly fast and can fly
wow. This shit was hype in the '50s but people know what manga is now. Demon Slayer is worth more than the entire Western comics industry.

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>>224209686
I agree, but that wasn’t me. Why would I accuse that guy of being a samefag when I treated the two posters as different people? If I treated them like they were the same person, then I would have put the post numbers on top of one another.
>>224209680
I get that, but I also see the comparisons between the two insofar they’re trying to “rehabilitate the brand”. I’m not really sure what Warner’s expectations were for this movie, a billy would be ridiculous as Superman has never been a massive box office draw, so what would be considered a win if we assume the real Superman 2025 returns were seen as disappointing? Maybe their expectations should have been tempered in a way similar to Batman Begins in a post Endgame landscape and multiple capeshit flops in the rear view mirror by that point.

>>224209495
Yea, instead, they released Hulk, Captain America and Thor, which were all flops, but they kept going

>>224209800
Kill yourself you weeaboo piece of shit

>>224209823
???
Captain America and Thor were both a success. Norton Hulk didn't do great but it wasn't part of the MCU (yet).

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>>224209853
Shoo shoo back to /co/ fagboy. Comics lost.

>>224209823
>Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) grossed $370,569,774 worldwide against a production budget of $140,000,000
>The 2011 Marvel film Thor grossed $449,326,618 worldwide against a production budget of $150 million

Shut the fuck up nigger. They were doing good numbers for a action movies before the age of capeshit was settled by Avengers 1. In fact even without adjusting by inflation, Thor did more money than clayface, TSS and Supergirl put together. And if we adjust by inflation its 641. So Thor did on todays money 641 millions. More than Superman. When Thor was a C lister. And way before Avengers did the heavy lifting that allowed C listers to pull good numbers. Thor did more than Superman 2025 by itself, as a C lister.

It may be unfair, but the simple truth is the movies were not good. Gunn's Superman was an overwrought, confused mess that stitched together way too many weak subplots, and seemed totally insecure in its depiction of the character. Gunn preferred to move from one scene to the next while letting nothing sit and breathe. Visually it was gaudy and nauseating, like a bunch of tiktoks strung together so you don't focus on any one element too long. When you are dealing with iconic characters you are supposed to consider the moral weight of what is going on.

And for all of the visual mess and expanded universe pandering, what was the message? "Just be kind, that's the real punk rock!" I'm sorry, but no. This is precisely the reason Superman should be a period piece of the 1930s directed by Brad Bird or something like that. Superman was always a power fantasy for people that were stepped on during the great depression. Not an anxious milennial chungus.

>>224209858
No they weren't a success, and Hulk was part of the MCU, you literally see Tony Stark at the end

>>224209800
More people don't know these mediums. There are more, but a lot of it is loud noise. As someone who has worked in the tl field sales haven't changed or gotten better since the 2014-15 days. People online sure like to act like it's "mainstream" though.

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>>224209878
>No they weren't a success
What do you get out of denying reality?

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>>224209905
>More people don't know these mediums.
Yes they do. Anime and manga have become incredibly mainstream especially shonenshit.
>People online sure like to act like it's "mainstream" though.
Pure unfiltered /co/pe.

>>224209874
why would it be unfair to call gunn a hack retard? he was worried people would think idris elba wanted to fuck ratcatcher 2 because he said she reminds him of his daughter. the guy doesn't have a clue and is fully goonbrained at this point.

>>224209873
It needs to be 3 times the budget to be a success, the budget you listed doesn't include marketing. Gunn's Superman has a budget of 220M and a box office of 618M and it's not even considered a great success. If DC had those numbers back then, they would have stopped and rebooted before Avengers like the fucking limpdicks they are

>>224209927
It might be unfair because the studio got what exactly what they paid for in him. I guarantee nobody was telling him shit while he was making all of these god awful decisions because he was seen as the golden goose of Marvel. Nobody had the balls to tell him his ideas sucked.

>>224205336
lol everybody take a laugh at this financelet here

>>224209874
The truth is a Superman blockbuster is an idiotic idea when his evil clones (Homelander, Omni Man, etc...) are the ones trending

>>224209905
blvd, you good? anime and manga are more popular now than at any other time in their history lol. fucking korea is having a massive cultural boom off the back of it.
>t. actually works in the tl field

>>224205304
Punk rock Superman wasn't wildly popular? Taking a dig at the viewer within the movie didn't go as planned?
Injecting yourself into the movie wasn't a good move?
Concentrating on humor and irony instead of action didn't fill the seats?
Shoulda had one of those monkeys writing the script... you treat comic Jesus like crap you get the thorns.

>>224206049
wait u deduct costs from gross box office? the studios dont receive the proceeds from the cinemas, they make profit from theatrical rentals which is in the ballpark of 50% of gross revenue

>>224209935
>$449,326,618 worldwide against a production budget of $150 million
>It needs to be 3 times the budget to be a success
450/150 is 3 times, fucking retard. Superman didnt do 3 times and it was an A lister vs Thor lmao, a C lister before the capeshit fad.
On top of theupwards tendency. Captain did more than Hulk, Thor did more than Cap. Can you say the same about the DCU? Is it improving?

>>224209814
Too many extraneous factors. The merger basically killed any idea of people having faith in his vision. They're looking at the Marvel money and it's not happening for them

>>224210008
Also, according to leaked tax files the budget of Superman AFTER rebates was 400m.

The movie itself never had faith in Superman as a concept so I'm not surprised.

>>224209874
I mostly agree with you, except I don't think it needs to be a 1930s period piece to work. Though I find the idea intriguing. The message the movie presented wasn't profound and the plot wasn't expressive of it either. As you said it was more like a series of tiktok clips stitched together, which would hurt any movie. Another thing that hurt it was Gunn's cinematography style looks cheap when applied to Superman style action, especially compared to Man of Steel or Superman Returns. Even the old ass movies had more impactful action where it mattered. They didn't have the sophisticated VFX, but they knew what pieces needed to be where, and how to move them. This movie hardly gets that, and it makes every action scene feel empty. It's like watching Space Jam live action Looney Tunes.

>>224209926
It's not though. More people talk about it, it outsells western shit, but it is not more popular. Some stupid nog stealing chapters online and pretending to like it for attention means nothing. Blu ray and media sales haven't changed much. I sau this as someone whos worked in a big translation house.

>>224209143
>A quick google search suggests
why have Europeans become the dumbest posters on this site?

>>224208745
There were some miserable faggots moaning about comic book movies back then like there are now. By 2005 we've already had in theatrical releases:
>4 Superman films
>6 Batman films, 5 live-action 1 animated
>4 Crow
>2 X-Men
>2 Spider-Man
>1 Tank Girl
>1 Spawn
>1 Steel
>3 Blade films
>1 Supergirl
>2 Men In Black
I'm probably forgetting a couple but there's always been comic book movies and people moaning about them as they masturbate to "Happiness".

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>>224210063
top kek

>>224210031
True. Justice Gang was unnecessary, it should've been Superman vs Lex alone and Ultraman should've been Bizarro.

>>224210072
Yes, but that doesn't matter. All physical book sales are dead in the west. People don't buy or spend anything. You're relying on netflix and streamers to buy and find these mediums who in turn go and make it like western shit.

>>224210089
*fund sorry

Look at how disney keeps pumping money into jp studios. They keep making these things more and more western. You dumb nogs can't understand more tards on twitter talking about it = equal more sales

>>224209979
Ehhh, I'd say they're on the way out. I don't actually disagree with the idea of a "hopecore" interpretation of Superman, that was the element that worked in its favour and what people seemed to respond to the most. It was Gunn's insecure direction, needle drops and tonally inconsistent humour that killed any of it landing seriously.

>>224210072
Manchild pedo faggots like western comics
>Western comics dies
Manchild pedo faggots like DCU
>DCU dies

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>>224210089
>it doesn't sell
>it does
>well actually it doesn't matter
Comics are dead, manga and anime won. You can lie out of your ass pretending your uncle works at Nintendo, but that won't change a thing.

>>224210071
That doesn't really answer the questions asked, and inserting multiple Crow movies, Tank Girl, and Men in Black shows you're being disingenuous. Try again.

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>>224205304
For some reason MCU fans online and on Reddit are upset over this but this is great news for DC fans. James Gunn just didn't have a clue.

>>224210145
>point one saaaar ai
>point two not the same thing

Jap media is more popular, but that doesn't mean more people like it. Most nogs and tards watch whats on netflix. Watch live action shit, or just "follow" for hype. I don't care for modern comics, as I don't like the modern western targeted stuff. I know the language. I've lived and worked there. People like you are why it went to shit

>>224210089
>All physical book sales are dead in the west
Barnes and Noble wagecuck here. This is not true. Business is doing good because roasties keep buying sex novels

>>224210016
> They're looking at the Marvel money and it's not happening for them
Same thing happened with Snyder. I suspect the Gunnverse will limp on for a few more years until the next reboot, maybe with Destin Crettonverse doing a Flash movie reboot or whatever. Then the cycle will repeat.
>>224210070
Trick question, always has been. I’m an American though. Not sure why you expect me to do more research than that for a 4chan argument I’m having while I should be working. You’re welcome to provide other sources that suggest I’m mistaken, as I’ve stated numerous times throughout this thread

>>224210113
I think the action was also a miss, Superman didn't feel so "super" when we see him get beaten in the first 10 minutes of the film then struggling against a kaiju and getting depowered by kryptonite after he gets lured into a trap

>>224210195
True. I guess I meant physical collector books, comics, etc. You can find the giant volumes at ollies for cheap. I even saw the english death note complete volumes there for $6

>>224210198
>I’m an American though
Sure you are eurotard but I get it, I would be embarrassed to be European too

>>224210183
Don't worry, James fixed it. Superman saves a squirrel, then finds out his parents wanted him to create a harem on earth

>>224205304

Superman (2025) was made with a budget similar to the Batman Begins film when adjusted for inflation and brought in similar profit when adjusted for inflation. These guys think everything needs to make $2 billion just to be successful.

>>224210194
You're so pathetic it's unreal.
>it doesn't sell more
>okay just because it sells more doesn't mean that it sells at all
>ok it doesn't matter that anime expo is growing every year
>also I don't even care about comics
>also I literally work at Nintendo.
top kek, you /co/mblerites are something else, I strongly recommend going back.

For the millionth time, I cannot believe they thought rushing out Supergirl from a movie that arguably did just ok was a good idea. I can't believe they thought their most successful movie should've made 1+ billion when Superman has never been that popular and even the most optimistic person had to argue they were trying to build back trust from audiences.

>>224208873
This dumb nigger doesn't remember the surprise when Iron Man 1 turned out to be good.

>>224210253
>These guys think everything needs to make $2 billion just to be successful.
Welcome to the age where every superhero film needs to make Marvel money, every videogame needs to make Fortnite revenue and music artists need to be hot to bring in tiktok audience
it all sucks

>>224210194
>>224210195
A friend of mine got a gig at diskotek. He likes it, but even with the "huge market" they struggle with piracy or people not buying or caring. The digimon release did really well, but lots still opted to just steal it as they did for sonic and other releases. Things can be more popular, but not as lucrative as they seem

>>224205336
Spideman made 2.5 billion this summer.

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>>224205304
>Replaced because of bad box office numbers
No fucking shit? The best performing of Gunn's movies couldn't touch the worst of Snyder's.

>>224208321
I think the marketing budget was huge and that's why it's considered a disappointment. Didn't they pay or million bucks or so to put a Superman statue up on a skyscraper in London but it was barely visible?

>>224207431
>*coughs* at least... we mildly annoyed... the chuds...

>>224210145
Anime and manga lost a long time ago. It turned into pure faggotry some 15 to 20 years ago, aimed exclusively at effeminate, submissive, anti-masculine simps and trannies. It's just a different kind of faggotry than capeshit.

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>>224210301
And Supergirl was expected to beat it.

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Based

Some anons here thought it was his Halloween podcast that got him canned and after listening to it I think they are right

>>224205304
but trannies said if i didnt like it i was brown???

>>224210338
no way this is a real article

Then why did they replace him with someone whose never had a hit?

>>224210250
huh

>>224210162
Try what again? Don't get me wrong I understand the exhaustion, but I've always felt that the problems are within the industry, not the genre of film. Once Hollywood has drained everything it can from comic books it will leech itself to whatever makes it the most money and suck it dry once they find it. In 25 years time people will be bitching about "gameshit" or "toyslop". It wouldn't surprise me if the moment Bill Waterson drops dead Hollywood announces a Calvin and Hobbs movie with a poster of Calvin pissing on Waterson's headstone.

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This was the killing blow

I honestly don't care who does what with Superman anymore. Gunn or anyone else. Man of Steel got me interested in a more grounded portrayal of Superman in the vein of Nolan's Batman movies, but Snyder didn't go that way either and it's been nothing but disappointment from there.

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>>224205304
Snyder shit the bed with the DC universe.
Gunn shit the bed with the DC universe.
Latcham is also going to shit the bed with the DC universe.

DC for some reason just can't make a good proper live-action DC universe.

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>>224210501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33ok5w8vlzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej87I9dPmig

>>224210526
>toyslop
We got a shit ton of high quality cartoons thanks to it. Respect the toyslop.
>gameshit
No such luck with games tyhough

>>224210526
Also I forgot:
>2 Mask films ;)

>>224210072
THE WEST HAS FALLEN!

and that's a good thing

>>224209055
I can only remember three memes from this movie:
>Superman flying and people put filters on him to change his expression
>The end scene where Superman is remembering his family
>The stupid punk rocker song
And all of this were forgotten within a month.

>>224208993
>Couldn't break BvS, the film that suposedly tarnished the DC brand

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James Gunn never mentioned Supergirl in his farewell letter.

>>224205336
>How can a film make $600m and be “financially disappointing”
Including marketing and revenue splitting with the theaters they probably broke even, which is disappointing.

>>224210526
AI-ass reply.

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what is Safran's job? the fuck does he even do?

i also love how he seems to be completely dodging all the bad press, the trolls, any negative attention whatsoever even though he's co-head just like Gunn.

>>224210607
>I can only remember three memes (15 months later)
>And all of this were forgotten within a month.
>this were forgotten

>>224210301
>every movie that doesn’t break sales records is a financial failure

Gamer accounting has reached film. Say it ain’t so

>>224210566
So many bad decisions went into this movie, it should be studied as a college course.

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>>224210317
BvS made more money than the DCU(Dead Cinematic Universe).

>>224205336
the budgets simply aren't sustainable

>>224210682
The first was expecting jeets to follow a story with themes instead of explosions

>>224210682
Not a single though about intentional corporate sabotage?

>>224210566
I understand the intent but a squirrel was the wrong animal to go with. If it had been a cat or a dog or even a rabbit, then it would've worked fine. Him saving a squirrel is just over the top dopey.

>>224210707
Turns out the sabotage was coming from the directors chair!

>>224210655
He’s a Gunn’s yes-man, no one takes him seriously.

>>224210682
>college is already a massive waste of time and money
>"someone needs to make a course on Superman movies!"

>>224210705
so now its Indian's fault for the movie being garbage and not being success?

>>224210682
It's still far from Disney destroying the SW with poor quality slop for an imaginary target group.

>>224210253
I don't care for the budget/revenue debate, but I think the big picture there is that Supe 2025 was their "high hitter" of the universe despite barely doing good. That works for Nolan making an odd film in 2005, especially when the movie had a big cult following. It does not look good in 2025 where superhero movies are a giant film industry and with how WB staked everything on Gunn's DCU. Also the movie itself having no cult following, having all the significance of lukewarm tap water compared to everything else. And that is kind of the gist of the DCU. It's just lame. There is no aura to it. It is the same problem MCU stuff is having in recent years, but they earned the right to rot while Gunn did not.