Previous Thread>>4255745>The main places to read fics:https://archiveofourown.org/https://www.fanfiction.net/>An ancient archive of fics compiled and shared by a kind anon (note that this is not a curated collection, just a very extensive archive)https://mega.nz/#F!oaphAAaZ!6FnZFfH2f-Vx5d9A47pSowPost links to fics and discuss them and fanfiction in general. Link fics you like, your own stuff, it's all good as long as it's yuri.
how do you guys feel about authors turning their fics into actual books? i have heard of it happening in some fandoms but i have never seen it happen personally to any fandoms i am in yet
>>4321543I don't mind it, there's a lot of published mirandy fics that I've enjoyed.
>>4321529As a haggered old sinner, I gotta say it's really nice to come back and see that these threads are still working the same way after a decade
>>4321543I doubt it would work. Either you end up losing the context the original work provided or the work was already an AU to such an extent that I wuoldn't have enjoyed reading it anyway. I've got nothing against the authors doing it, though, I just don't think I'd be interested in such work.
>>4321543Good for them, as long as I can get my hands on archived fic if they decide/are forced to delete it.Just recently stumbled upon one. Title seemed familiar, checked out synopsis and had a brief moment of wait, I've read that fic. Even has authors fanfic pen name in bio. I'm actually curious how it turned out, will give it a go (Truth and Measure by Roslyn Sinclair, turned from Devil Wears Prada Andy/Miranda fic with the same name by Telanu).I've read one or two non-/u/ fanfics that got removed before being turned into books (praise the hoarding compulsion and FanFicFare), but have yet to look them up.
Is it a good idea to edit your work as you write it or do the first draft and then edit itI feel like that's what makes my fics take ages to complete
>>4322786I personally do the first draft and edit later, trying to edit for quality while simultaneously writing the foundation sounds exhausting. It's a lot easier to revise and edit later.
>>4322786The latter. It can be easy to get lost in the weeds while editing. Better to lay everything out and then smooth out the edges, fill in the artistry and all that.
>>4322786Depends on the person. I edit as I go because knowing that something early on is wrong makes me fixate on the issue, and I hate trashing scenes because of possible said issues. But your writing speed will decrease, since it’s both writing and editing.My posted work is 95% similar to my first (and often only one) draft because of the constant polishing.
>>4322786You do you. Both approaches have their merits and pitfalls. Editing as you go can sometimes lead to a writer being stuck rewriting the first chapter of a what in their minds is supposed to be a 600k trilogy. Making it all up as you go can lead to a 600k work desperately in need of an editor armed with a flamethrower and pruning shears. I tend towards editing as I go because when I get stuck, that usually means there's an underlying issue there that I need to address sooner or later. Vomiting another 5k words on top of it doesn't help if I don't address the issue. Writing like this does take long but I don't have to make massive changes between draft and publishing. I work without a beta reader though.
Send me fanfics with the theme nerd x popular girl. With sex scenes.
>>4323221Ask like a normal person would
>>4323221me and your mom (she's the nerd)
>>4323221What's your address?
>>4321543the problem with it is pretty simple, theres a good example of a reylo fanfic that got turned into an original book that spends so long trying to create a shitty facsimile of star wars that it loses anything compelling about the original. These works are so heavily based off another work and so dependent on prior knowledge that they just crumble on their own.
>>4323221I may want to write something like this, got any actual pairs in mind?
>>4323524Ships or pairings? If we talk about ships we have Junna/Nana from Revue Statlight, You/Riko from Love Live Sunshine and Rinko/Sayo from Bang Dream, ChuChu/Reona from the Bandori can also work.
>>4323527I've also read some ChuChu/Rei fics from Bandori, that's definitely nerd x popular girl with a nice height gap to boot. On a side note, is it possible for a fic to be the opposite of slow burn, where it seems like the relationship is progressing too quickly? I started reading a 500K longfic where the characters meet for the first time in chapter one, and I'm only on chapter seven and they're already almost fucking. I mean, it's nice that it's getting to the good stuff pretty quickly (and the battle scenes are really good), but I can't help but wonder if their relationship is going to stagnate over the next 106 chapters. I don't think I've ever read a longfic where things have moved quite this quickly.
>>4323517Junko/MukuroPlease
>>4323744Damn misclickMeant for >>4323524
>>4323744Mikan serves the role of a nerd much better.Junko, Mukuro and Mikan should be a poly threesome, so nerd x popular girl x scary tomboy would be best!
>>4322786I tend to write a whole chapter give myself some time to think about it and then edit. Usually it’s either inclusions or alterations to the plot after I think up something good that should be present. Then I move onto the next chapter. While I’m writing that I may write a story beat I hadn’t planned that requires the first chapter to be altered so I go back and do that. So it’s mostly just a edit as necessary to make the plot consistent process.
I watched Sharp Objects last weekend and spend reading every fic on AO3...any Camille/Amma fics in any other place?Shit was top tier siscest bait.
I got some fanart for my fic and someone just made like a little video edit thing for my fic too. I feel like the belle of the ball
>>4330010holy jesus. How many hits/kudos did you get I gotta know how this manifests.
>>43300133.4k hits and 220 kudos. I think part of it is that it's a small/newer fandom that I'm very involved in, I also do some of my own original art for the fic that I sprinkle around in it. And I've been updating it really frequently, I started posting a few weeks ago and I'm up to 21 chapters. So with all that combined, I've been having some pretty dedicated readers, it feels really nice.
>>4330015What a fandom?
>>4330018The Wild Robot. Fic is "Together in the Quiet", I just updated it actually. It's my first multi-chapter fic, and I didn't even intend for it to be this long. Originally it was just gonna be a smutfic with a few chapters, but I really liked writing it so I decided to prolong the story. Considering both girls are non-human and one isn't even anthropomorphic, I felt like writing them was the most satisfying way to explore their relationship since I couldn't rely on simply drawing human anatomy for making ship material for them.
>>4330037>The Wild Robot>smutuhh wtf?
>>4330652Modern problems require modern solutions
>>4330652we do it because we can
>>4330652It's the 21st century, non-android robots can have sex now. Catch up, grandma
>>4331360with animals a tenth of their size?
>>4330652>that yuri manga about dinosaurs>that thread about the periodic table where people were shipping the elements>and now this fanfic about robotsI finally have all three KEK.>>4331672Where there's 2 girls, there's a wayWhere there's 2 girls, there's a wayWhere there's 2 girls, there's a wayWe don't wanna go to sexualize robots todayBut as their hands touched and their eyes locked we said "Nay, nay, nay" (there's a way)We're gonna ship them all day, all day, all day (where there's 2 girls, there's a way)
I've read partway through worm because of people complaining about wildbow. I'm really surprised at the lack of Amy Dallon/Lisa Wilbourn fics on ao3. Are there any good preferably long ones somewhere else?
>>4332453The worm fandom is pathologically incapable of writing anything that isn't alt!power Taylor, and they can't even get her characterization righy
>ship has thousands of fics on Ao3>99% of them aren't actually fics for that ship, just fics where they appear as a side coupleInfuriating.
>>4332453Well how far did you get in worm? Amy and Lisa don't get along at all. Amy stuff in general isn't really done in the fandom anymore because of her rapeyness.Anyway here's a cute Vista/Imp fic I read recently and enjoyed.https://archiveofourown.org/works/37298656/chapters/93065755
>>4332555>Amy stuff in general isn't really done in the fandom anymore because of her rapeyness.And also because of her character assassination in the sequel.
>>4332556Most of the worm fanfic authors haven't even read worm they're definitely not reading ward.
More good wormfics pls
>>4332557It's for the best. Reading Ward makes me wish I wasn't reading Ward.
>>4332732Why do spend your free time doing something that you don't enjoy? Not judging, just curious. There's lots of things that I've dropped because I stopped enjoying them. I never really felt the urge to complete something that I no longer find pleasurable just because I started it.
>>4332744I was hoping maybe it would get better if I kept going. I reached more or less the start of the second arc when I decided I had enough.
>>4332557That's true about most Yuri. If you're just looking for the GL, there's no reason to watch Supergirl or OuaT or any of the other shows/books that are clearly 100% heterosexual.
>>4332958>there's no reasonNot encouraging anyone to waste their time watching het shows (there's plenty of fics around for most people without resorting to it), but this isn't really true. A pretty significant portion of fics assume the reader has knowledge of certain things going in, and even the ones that don't aren't going to hit with quite the same weight if you have zero familiarity with characters and situations. "There's no reason to familiarize yourself with the source material" only really works with AU fics that completely diverge from the original plot (and also take care to introduce various characters) or those fics that are like slightly modified beat for beat retellings of the source material.
As far as worm fics go, I'm rather fond of this onehttps://archiveofourown.org/works/58842772/chapters/149968078Taylor/Emma is stupid rare to begin with and Taylor/Sophia that doesn't involve Taylor being abused and Sophia having a dick is rarer but this fic is pure yuri and maximum drama as Taylor gets to land both girls when they're currently dating each other. Not sure if it'll develop into a throuple or not but the ride is certainly going to be fun.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/42885309/chapters/107905182>this is the most kudos'ed worm f/f fanficHoly shit, why do people like seeing Taylor suffer so much? Isn't she the MC of worm? And she just gets bullied at school or something.
>>4333847because that literally happens in Worm.
>>4333847"Being Taylor is Suffering" has it's own tag for a reason. Girl goes through a lot in canon just to get to her starting point, much less during the actual plot.
>>4333847"And then a bad situation got worse" applies to Worm in general, and Taylor's life in particular.
>>4333847This is a snippet thread basically and it's not very well regarded by the fandom desu. I feel like most often the work with the most kudos in a fandom is usually pretty bad and appeals to the lowest common denominator.It had inspired some decent stuff though, this one is fridge horror and its /u/ in as much as Dragon/Taylor could be.https://archiveofourown.org/works/59731777/chapters/152356189
>>4333983>Dragon/Taylor
There are some Simurgh/Taylor fics as well...
I keep getting these spam messages in my ff.net account about people wanting to make artwork of my fic. WTF is up with these?
>>4334680Scams. There’s been a few where they rattle off a chatGPT compliment, try to get into DMs for a casual convo, and eventually spring up a ridiculous price e.g. $1500 for 10sec animation
>>4334767that's what I figured thx
>>4332555I think arc 24. Lisa and Amy not getting along but Lisa having insight into Amy that no one else does and it progressing into something messy and complicated and probably kind of toxic would be the main appeal. Like this appealed to me for example in spite of taylor being so clueless so often https://archiveofourown.org/works/37131436/On an unrelated note I recently found out mystique has a wife any recommendations to do with their relationship?
>>4321529Any good new Arcane fics post S2? Jinx/Cait, Vi/Cait, Vi/Jinx, Jinx/Lux, etc etc
>>4322786No beta we die like Tara Maclay
Love Live Superstar is such fertile ground for shipping, I feel like I'm shoving my face into a big pile of yuri cocaine, it's great. I'm addicted to idol shit and I don't want to go to rehab.
Is there a name for when a character (or couple) travel to another universe and meet their AU selves from there?
>>4336274Only seen this happen in one fic, so I doubt it.
>>4336274>>4336278Though I guess if multiverse stuff qualifies, you could check for some sort of multiverse tag.
>>4336143Here sis. This one looks really promising https://archiveofourown.org/works/60891349/chapters/155539813
>fic has a good plot>its a damn text chat fic
>>4336379Thanks.
>>4337583>plot>text chat ficYou mean premise?
>Fic looks neat>its a reader ficJust write an OC sisters..
>>4337711They look to be so immensely popular too. I feel like I'm missing out on something, but every time I try to read one, my attempts come to a screeching halt because I just can't get over the intense discomfort that 2nd person narration causes in me.
Why is it so impossible to navigate through a03 and find good fics? Any helpful suggestions for how to wade through the garbage? What should I be searching by? There's no likes/dislikes or scoring system so it's so hard to tell what's potentially good or not.
>>4337840Aren't kudos basically a like system? But anyway, it's annoying but the best way is to find authors you like and sift through their own works + favorites.
>>4337840Find a niche you like and trawl through all of it. Haven't found a better way, really. Kudos can be really weird too, from an author's point of view. I can throw together a stupid oneshot in one or two evenings that'll get more likes than something I spend a month writing and revising with the help of a beta reader.
>>4337840I find the exclude options useful, especially in large fandoms to filter out all the bullshit.
>>4337840First exclude m/m f/m and multi, then exclude crossovers, and finally exclude futanari, girl penis, and trans character. You might lose a couple good fics with this, but it'll get rid of most of the extremely low quality and irrelevant stuffI usually exclude a couple more stuff, like "reader" fics, high school AUs, modern setting AU, chatfics, things like that, but that's personal preferenceUnfortunately there's no perfect sorting method, I prefer sorting by comments, word count, or published date
>>4337840I like to use the bookmarks page and then select the recs and with notes options then filter further from there for whatever fandom I'm interested in.https://archiveofourown.org/bookmarks?commit=Sort+and+Filter&bookmark_search%5Bsort_column%5D=created_at&bookmark_search%5Bother_tag_names%5D=&bookmark_search%5Bother_bookmark_tag_names%5D=&exclude_bookmark_search%5Bcategory_ids%5D%5B%5D=21&exclude_bookmark_search%5Bcategory_ids%5D%5B%5D=22&exclude_bookmark_search%5Bcategory_ids%5D%5B%5D=23&exclude_bookmark_search%5Bcategory_ids%5D%5B%5D=24&exclude_bookmark_search%5Bcategory_ids%5D%5B%5D=2246&bookmark_search%5Bexcluded_tag_names%5D=Futanari%2CGirl+Penis%2CTrans+Character%2COmega+Verse%2CAlpha%2FBeta%2FOmega+Dynamics&bookmark_search%5Bexcluded_bookmark_tag_names%5D=&bookmark_search%5Bbookmarkable_query%5D=&bookmark_search%5Bbookmark_query%5D=&bookmark_search%5Blanguage_id%5D=&bookmark_search%5Brec%5D=0&bookmark_search%5Brec%5D=1&bookmark_search%5Bwith_notes%5D=0&bookmark_search%5Bwith_notes%5D=1&tag_id=F*s*FI find bookmarks to be a better metric of quality than kudos.
>>4337840The sidebar is your best friend, but do remember that each fandom is different and being strong with your filters will commonly take out fics that are longer and have wider scopes. For most situations I find just filtering for the pairing, filtering out any form of girldick, and then sorting by kudos to be the most efficient way to get the widest pool of actually on topic fics but it's really a case by case basis. For some fandoms or pairings are trend towards stories that cover plenty of side pairings. Also filtering out crossovers does a lot ot kill the giant snippet dumps that show up sometimes but if a work is split between several adaptations like some things are a ln/manga/anime then you can't really filter for crossovers.
>>4337919i wish it was possible to exclude all k-pop stars and similar
>>4337723Yeah I don't know when or how this trend of 'reader' started, back in my day you wrote an OC. lol.
>>4337931The k-pop tag catches all groups so exclude that and real person fiction should get celebrities and sports
>>4336143https://archiveofourown.org/works/57638359Another by the same author. AU Odyssey, which is a League space opera skinline. Not really Arcane-related but it's heavy Jinx/Lux
>>4337983>k-pop tag catches all groupsi wish...I had to ask chatgpt to make me a userscript that filters out all works that contain korean characters, or any of my blacklisted tags/fandoms.Much more comfortable than having to exclude it manually each time
>>4338081Thanks sis
Is one kudos per 20 views a good ratio for a first fic? Am I a total loser for even spending time worrying about this?
>>4338459holy fuck yes. Ao3 is not a publishing house, you're not going to get fired if you don't get enough kudos on your fic. It's just for fun, if you want more people to see it then post it around in your fandom spaces or here. I know easier said than done to stop caring about numbers, but you'll be so much happier if you're writing for yourself rather than trying to make the numbers go up.
>>4338459I've seen fics with 1 kudos per 100 views, you're doing fine sis
>>4338459>>4338471And yes, you are a loser for worrying about this
>>4338459No. After all, if your fic receives enough kudos your ship becomes canon.
>>4338470>Ao3 is not a publishing houseFunnily enough the Penguin/Simon & Schuster anti-trust lawsuit a few years back revealed that most of their novels sell less than a thousand copies and a solid 15% sell less than a dozen copies. If a dozen people read your fic you're getting more attention than 15% of professional novels>>4338471Yeah I will never understand this meme that 1:10 ratio is the ideal, the most popular fics on the yuri tags I follow typically have a 1:30-1:50 ratio
>>4338476I knew it....I'm so cooked...what about one bookmark per 200 hits that's even more troublesome isn't it
>>4338491>15% sell less than a dozen copiesWhat the fuck?
>>4336143I've been reading a lot of CaitVi fics. are you looking for smut, fluff, story...?
>>4338459The ratios make no goddamn sense. I can't help but worry about them, but sometimes they really just make no sense. If you really, really want kudos above all else, take a popular pairing, use some popular tropes and tags, and write between 1k and 3k words - short enough that a teenager with shitty attention span can read it in one go. That format performs the best. Reader fics are another easy option that always performs well. Writing for yourself is popular advice, but if you commit to it, expect to see ratios of 1:100 or something like that.
>>4338591I've been writing a fic purely for myself but putting a lot of passion into it. It's a small fandom, but the ratio is 1:17 (I think), and I've had some people tell me they haven't even seen the source material but they read my fic. Numbers don't matter, but if you put in genuine effort and passion into writing things that you really care about, there's a good chance that the numbers will follow.
>>4338597>people tell me they haven't even seen the source material but they read my ficI hate people like that the most. This has happened to me several times and I would rather the don't even read my fics at all. If you can't even get through the source material you can't appreciate the fanfic properly, so it shouldn't be read.It's fine if a fanfic makes someone interested in the source material, but 99% of fanfics dont work standalone... because that's the point.
>>4337711>>4337956Both of these options are garbage. Stop writing self-inserts you second-rate writers.
>>4338600I dunno, I kind of don't mind it but mostly because it's sort of a crackship so it's not like they even really need the source material to understand the concept. It'd sure help a lot if they knew the source material, but I find it more flattering than anything someone would care more about my crummy little fic more than the original property.
>>4338597A chance, yes, but there's no guarantee, ever. F/F content in general is always starved for attention outside of a handful of fandoms where it is the predominant category. Sometimes explicit fic performs really well, sometimes it seems to draw in readers interested in smut only regardless of the fandom or characters and performs poorly. In some fandoms most F/F fics gets wonderful ratios, in others, they get bad ones. The one constant right now seems to be that engagement as a whole is way, way down compared to what it was 20 years ago. I remember how people used to leave flame comments and just random collections of their thoughts on damn near everything. While that might not have been ideal, I feel like I would take that culture over today's AO3 where people won't say a word about fics that they absolutely adored.
>>4338603Even for a crackship you need to know the damn plot of the original story or the characterisation at least.Don't feel flattered by people too lazy to consume the source material. They have low attention spans and just read whatever random thing they see. They don't care for context or meaning, it's all about getting the next superficial hit.I write long fanfics that usually tie very extensively into the source material, trying to make them fit together, so it's even more annoying if someone comes along and tells me they don't know anything about the source material but liked my fic. What did you like about the thing you can't possibly comprehend? It's just frustrating.I'm sure some wouid call me a snob or whatever, but I write fanfic because I care about the source material and disregard of it just upsets me.
>>4338606>I'm sure some wouid call me a snob or whatever, but I write fanfic because I care about the source material and disregard of it just upsets me.I don't think there's any snobbery there. Fanfic writing should always be written around the source material and it's impossible to escape its influence on fan work. I mean, if your writing is good enough that people enjoy it despite not understanding how it interacts with canon, that probably should be taken as a compliment, but your frustration is also very understandable because such readers cannot understand the amount of work that goes into making your writing fit with canon.
>>4338605You need to have an account now to comment on AO3. Also flaming and spam will all be deleted quickly, so that probably discouraged that kind of garbage. Not that it will be missed.
>>4338600>99% of fanfics dont work standaloneI disagree. Most fics, and their source material, aren't really all that complicated. You can usually get the gist of the source material from any decently written fic.
>>4338613Is that so? I thought it was only temporary back when they had issues, at least I still get asked if I want to allow guest comments when I upload fics.
>>4338602There are occasionally decent OC based fics in IPs where it makes sense.
>>4338614I don't know what shallow stuff you read, but the stuff I play/watch/read generally requires more thought than bumping two dolls together. And even a good fanfic that lays the groundwork is no replacement for the source material.You are direspectful to both the source material and the fanfic by half-assing it like this. Compliments like that are simply hollow. "Your fanfic is really great, even though I got none of the references, don't understand the subversion/expansion of the original story's plot and can't tell if these characters are even accurately portrayed!" Sounds pretty insincere to me.
>>4338617I think you should only ever use OCs for side-characters. Never make the protagonist an OC. And by all writer's grace, stop making self-inserts. That is the lowest form of storytelling.
>>4338622Not to argue in favor of self-inserts here, but there are fandoms where the protagonist is essentially an OC. Many RPGs do that.
>>4338619Well you're right about at least one thing; some would call you a snob.
>>4338624RPGs with a created character aren't what you would call an OC. But those are generally self-inserts. People who write about their RPG self-insert protags baffle me. Like those dumb Skyrim fanfics. The dragonborn is not a real character, don't even waste time on this worthless player insert.
>>4338627>RPGs with a created character aren't what you would call an OCNot necessarily, but they kind of function the same in many ways. You can write about them without making them self-inserts, but I agree, a lot of people tend towards just writing them as such.
>>4338614Nta. You could also watch most sequel (or installment in a series) movies without the context of the earlier entries, and "get the gist". But unless the fic is doing an obnoxious amount of re-explaining source material context, a reader going in blind is not going to understand the majority of referential situations, or the relationships between characters, or motivations, or anything that is even vaguely glossed rather than explained in depth.I don't think it's impossible to read and get some enjoyment out of a fic you haven't read the source material for, but I also don't think it's impossible to like, watch Logan and still get enjoyment out of it if you have no familiarity with X-men. Arguing that it "works" without at least some existing knowledge is a bit suspect though. >>4338622>>4338624My immediate thought when I made the comment was that there are definitely very good BG3 fics with an original character as the protagonist.
>>4338605I've heard that instead of leaving comments, people are discussing the fics they like in private discords
Tbh for some fandoms it's pretty fine, if not outright common, to not have consumed the original work. Particularly if you're reading for f/f as that's commonly not canon outside of fanworks.Worm comes to mind as a fandom with this condition.
>>4338688I've heard that too and it unfortunately seems like wishful thinking to me. I did have something similar happen to me once, though. I recognized a username from the kudos list, asked the same person on twitter if they'd read it and they said yes, telling me how much they'd enjoyed it. It was nice, of course, but left me wondering why they didn't drop a comment after reading.
>>4338605Yeah, comments genuinely mean SO much more to me than kudos do now. I would actually prefer to have not that many kudos but a bunch of positive comments over a ton of kudos but like two comments. Somewhere along the way, fandom culture shifted from directly voicing approval to just hitting a meaningless like button and it sucks.
after I realized that my comments are basically just reciting the author's work back to them I can't think of what to comment anymore. Im a cringe existence
>>4338824Just like say you enjoyed it and which bit was your favorite. Anything.
Did Amor Enim Vult end? I heard someone saying there was a sequel.
>>4338870Unless it jump sites without my knowledge, it just sorta died to my knowledge.Which is sad as it was one of the biggest YS fics that actually focused on Tanya getting a girl. Nearly all the recent shit is gen or het and I've seen too many bi Tanya setups which are dumb.
>>4338716That's retarded. If the source material is so garbage that you don't even want to read it, then skip the shitty fanfics based on a shitty thing you didn't even want to touch.
>>4338818The sad thing is that you are so obssessed with approval in the first place. Meaningless "Nice chapter" or "I like this" spam that used to be common is almost worse than some harsh critic going on a campaigng against your work. At least the latter gives you some valuable feedback in a roundabout way. There is no difference between kudos and affirmative posts. The only ones that have value are those that engage with your fanfic. It shows that someone cares about the writing and subject far more than any shallow compliments.
>>4338871Tanya is a man. There is no yuri in a YS fanfic.
>>4338877Eh, it's a case by case basis. You can't just broadly consider any fandom with more fanworks only fans to be shit. Some works have better ideas than execution and some, like Worm, have fics that easily cover anything you'd want to know from the base story like 99% of the time.>>4338879The last YS thread lasted 2 years and /u/ has had rule 63/genderbending threads fairly regularly in the past. Given that the mods/janitors on this board tend to be fairly diligent I'd say you're wrong.
>>4338881>the mods/janitors on this board tend to be fairly diligentHahhahahahhaha, you are a real jokester, eh? Those fuckers have not deleted any of the Ranma threads, so the mods are very much not doing their job. Tanya is slightly less egregious, but stop hiding behind mods laziness and face the truth.
>>4338882Given that said thread has those bitching about it getting their comments deleted, I'd say the mods aren't lazy and it's just your opinion.
>>4338884They don't. Some retarded mod who is clearly a GBfag keeps abusing his power and when it's another mod's turn those comments do not get deleted at all. Generally mods here are very lazy. As long as two "girls" appear in an image they don't give a shit. That isn't actually holding up the rules properly, they are just not bothering. Ranma is a man who is also a man for most of his screen time and very much never thinks of himself as a woman. This shit does not belong on /u/. It's literally just a het romcom. But thanks for admitting that you are a het supporting piece of shit who goes to the Ranma threads. That explains why you are retarded enough to think YS is on topic.
>>4338888Literally never looked at the thread beforehand, just checked it because I had a feeling about what things in it might be like which turned out to be right. I don't care for Ranma as I don't like the flip flopping but at the very least it seems contentions or up for interpretation by some of the posts I've noted in skimming the thread. Also you're crazy if you think that YS and Ranma are at all comparable by any metric aside from being an anime/manga with gender bending being applied to the protag at least once.
>>4338878Nah, you can't seriously think a generic 'I like this post' button is just as meaningful as a handwritten comment.
>>4338491The publishing anti trust suit stats are unreliable because the reporting was incredibly fucky, it's sales figures in the one year after release only, didn't include some distribution channels and also considered some academic and technical writings as part of its reporting. Three people buy a copy of something like "How to survive building a powerplant, 2020 edition with additional graphs." or "The translated correspondence of King Menkare" in the first year, because, for one, the author will typically put a PDF on library sites themselves, and for two, because the audience who need it in the first year is ten people and university libraries sling their copies around all the time.All this results in massive distortions of what the stats say, a masterful case of lying in spirit and telling the truth in numbers.Also it's perfectly fine for a fanfic to tweak around everything about the original until it's unrecognizable if it wants, sometimes you want to turn a fantasy novel into the First Space Punic War, sometimes you want a Fire Emblem fic with a setting that doesn't instantly explode once put in contact with thought. It's fine, people who don't want to read the coffee shop AU won't and one day someone will make one that properly exploits the original work for intertextual comedy like actual Published Novel Harrow The Ninth did to great effect.
>>4338913I'm aware of this. The original claim based on the fucky reporting was that 96% of their books sell less than 1000 copies and 50% sell less than 12, the figures I gave were determined by removing all those confounding factors
>>4338913>First Space Punic WarAlso known as the 'How Many Fleets can the Space Romans Lose Before Actually Engaging the Space Carthaginian Fleet" War.Also, caelum Carthago delenda est.
>>4338890I already said YS is not as egregious as Ranma, a literal het romcom. No, there is no room for "interpretation", Ranma is literally just hetshit and no sane person would allow it on /u/. There are two retards in that thread who love the hetshit and constantly project trannyshit on the show. "Ranma secretly wants to be a girl and is female coded" is one of my favorite quotes from those scumbags. It reveals their true nature. They admitted several times that Ranma is not a yuri anime and that nobody seriously thinks it's yuri... but they still keep the fucking threads going anyway. It's literally just a middle finger to the board.But I gave it as an example of how little the mods actually moderate this board properly. They will not care about GBshit being posted even though it is quite literally off-topic. YS is like the borderline, because reincarnation garbage and being raised as a girl somewhat soften the blow. It's still no good for yuri though. GBfags are generally trannies who project that they can turn into girls on a story and it's sickening. So encourage it as little as possible.
>>4338891It makes zero difference. They say the same thing with absolutely no value.
>>4338918Oh yeah I didn't think those were adjusted figures, well Burgerstan literacy rates are horrendous so I should probably have expected that, and it is true anywhere that publishing is mostly being puzzled by the trash that ends up on your desk and then throwing it at a wall to see if it sticks.>>4338933Well, since Carthage lost and there's very little documentation surviving documentation about it, you can ignore that it seems to mostly indicate they were a slightly different type of awful and make them the good guys and have them win this time.>>4339089IDK, they can have a thread, for morale, it's not like this is a fast board.
Someone left a really nice comment on my super niche fic and it made me happier than any other comment on my more popular works.Though they left it on a guest account and I really wish they didn't because I would have loved to talk with them about out mutual Yuri interest.
>>4339872Congrats, anon. What was the niche?
>>4339894It was content for a ship that I think literally only I have ever conceived of in a small fandom. So getting a really supportive comment really brightened my day.
>>4340072That does sound very motivating to receive. I've created a ship tag for a bigger fandom too, but it's yet to receive any comments.
>>4337840You don't. The sorting function is entirely unreliable. As others point out, most [X] usually just means the most tags or an author with an established following, whereas extremely low exposure texts can blow them out of the water but have trash tags/title/abstract. Fanfiction as a medium is a time sink if you have even a modicum of standards.
>>4337840easiest way is to find a fic you like, find other fics by the author, then find other fics/author that author likes
I've been thinking - what makes for a good summary? I'm still very much stuck in the older style of just writing one or two brief sentences that describe the fic's basic setup and tagging for the most important characteristics of the story, but that style seems to be less common these days. I mean, I do prefer such summaries myself when looking for fics simply because it gets tot the point and allows me to make a decision about whether to read or not, but does anyone think there are other ways of doing it that might work better?
>>4340535I'm in the one or two sentences camp myself as well. I can respect the authors who go for the rich description across multiple paragraphs but I always figured people care more about the tags than the description. The one that kind of baffles me is when they put an excerpt from the story as the description, which is really just kinda spoiling your own work by revealing info out of context.
>>4340535>>4340539>I always figured people care more about the tags than the descriptionObviously I can't speak for everyone but I usually either completely ignore the tags (because I'm already filtering results) or just glance at pairings to make sure there's nothing abhorrent. I always read the description, because it gives both a general sense of the writer (if a description is just horrendous garbled mess that ends with "xD" then it can safely be scrolled past) and offers a more coherent synopsis a lot of the time than tags do. Something like "[Fantasy AU]" means almost nothing because it could be anything from light novel style isekai to Tolkien. "[Vampire Homura] and [Vampire Hunter Madoka]" don't tell me if it's a Vanhelsing, Underworld or Twilight sort of story.>when they put an excerpt from the story as the descriptionI do agree with anon that this is cancer though. It's redundant. Giving me a paragraph from the first chapter just means I get to that thing I've already read and am annoyed I have to either read it a second time or skip through text, it also is often just a very poor pseudo-synopsis.
Hi anons, I don't use this thread so I don't know if recs are part of the culture. But I'm looking for new reads, so—what's everyone's favorite long fic? Novel length preferably, longer is better.To contribute, my favorites are:Increments of Longing (Jaina/Sylvanas Warcraft)https://archiveofourown.org/works/17266448/chapters/40605044Recursion (Max/Chloe Life is Strange)https://archiveofourown.org/works/30165624/chapters/74318262What Defines Us (Ruby/Weiss RWBY) https://archiveofourown.org/works/19867165/chapters/47050123I've read quite a lot of fic, and I consider those 3 to be the best (and better than published fiction for what they are). My preferences do tend toward angst, though, fyi. But give them a try, maybe :)What are your top favorites? The novel-length fics you'd consider 'peak fiction'?
Eh. I've used an excerpt from the story before in a handful of my descriptions, but it's always been a single line of dialogue from the fic and I figure it's a way to hook the reader into wanting to read the fic to find out exactly what kind of underwear she was wearing or whatever. Sometimes I have a very clear picture in my head of what I want the story to be like right from the get go rather than just a nebulous collection of ideas that take form as I write it and those fics are the ones where I used a line of dialogue as the synopsis.
>>4338614Agreed. It's like, if you start watching a show from season 3, can you follow along? Yes, because the very source material you're writing around is reflected in the writing. This character is mad at this character because of this reason, those characters used to be together and just broke up, like, it's all right there.
A summary template that usually works for me because it gives me an idea of the writer's skill level and what the fic is about is where it does have a brief excerpt, usually funny or dramatic, and then followed by "Or: <brief summary>".
>>4342572>Or: <brief summary>"Or" gimmick is quite useful.
>>4340682>recs are part of the cultureThey were in the good old days. These days it's more about yapping about comments to views ratios.
I never understood the whole "or" thing. If that's what the fic is about, then why not just put that instead of all the bullshit that comes before it?
>>4342828It's a way to snappily sum up the synopsis in straightforward terms.
>>4342828the "or" is usually 1. a humorous addition to the summary or 2. a one sentence summation to replace the bigger one preceding it>why not just have a one sentence summation to begin withwhy the fuck would you want a one sentence summary. i, at least, want a proper synopsis >why the one sentence at all thenit's just a trend ok? it can be funny or useful to rephrase.
Why would anyone write in a small fandom when you could instead get 20x the comments and kudos in a large fandom?
>>4342924Better pairings.
>>4321529Some Worm yuri.Spectre and Sprite. Victoria/Taylor (new!)https://archiveofourown.org/works/60146341/chapters/153477124Savior Complex. Taylor/Lisa.https://archiveofourown.org/works/58915633/chapters/150175672My Girlfriend Is Terrifying. Victoria/Taylor/Lisa. Even has Amy/Rachel.https://archiveofourown.org/works/46338739/chapters/116666830
>>4342924Because 8 either don't like the work with a bigger fandom or I think the popular ships are shit
>>4342924If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself
>>4342924Why write f/f at all if kudos and comments are the only thing that matters?
>>4343044>https://archiveofourown.org/works/60146341/chapters/153477124Not just an alt power Taylor but an alt power Victoria? That's so different I'll bookmark it.
I'm going to write an Original Female Character/Canon Female Character fic and no one can stop me.
>>4343076Do it!! It's fun as long as you're casual with it.
>>4343077>casual with it?
>>4343079oh like as long as it's not some super elaborate and indulgent I'm inserting my OC into this world so she can take all the focus for herself type beat
>>4343076Just don't make it a reader fic. Please. For the love of all that is good please.
>>4343076>>4343079Don't listen too >>4343080 that's the entire point of fanfiction, to be indulgent.
>>4343076Nothing wrong with that as long aIt's not a reader fic
>>4342924Numbers going up only matter for a bit of dopamine and if you're the sort who writes for commission and want to attract potential customers. The dopamine hits harder when it's for a niche bit of work and those interested in money aren't usually prowling around niche stuff anyways.
>>4343227>The dopamine hits harder when it's for a nicheThis.A hit or a kudos means so much more in a fandom with under 100 fics. Write a comment and I will faint.
>>4343081>>4343085I'd like to know who the fuck started that reader shit
Cherry Blossoms and Chakra Strings https://archiveofourown.org/works/59864989/chapters/152716666Its labelled F/F but no specific pairing, I think its going to be a Sakura/Ino fic.Puppet Master Sakura. I'd never seen such a thing before.
>>4343359me
>>4343571Curse upon your house and bloodline!
how do you guys feel about authors who dont even watch/play/ or read the material they write?
>>4344034I imagine they've had to either read a lot of fanfics of it or at least check the wiki.I'm not sure. I've never watched OUAT but I've read hundreds of Swan Queen fics.
>>4344034I do this for a few works and I've genuinely got yoo I love the way you did her characterization comments. I think with fanfiction the understanding the writer is gonna be putting their own spin on things is pretty common, so as long as you're not wildly OOC (ie you do a bit of research first) it'll be accepted as just another interpretation.
>>4344034It's practically mandatory for Worm fics.
>>4344034It's fine as long as you don't overly contradict the source material in weird ways.>>4344156>I've never watched OUAT but I've read hundreds of Swan Queen ficsWild.
>>4344156>I've never watched OUAT but I've read hundreds of Swan Queen fics.Based
>>4344034Why would anyone write fanfic for stories they don't even care about? Just for attention?
>>4344579Typically because they read other fanfics, like the pairing and want to also write about them.
>>4342924sometimes a rock on the ground is more inspiring than the sky above. and while I'm sure people would love to have more control over what sparks them, we just don't
>>4342924Even in a big fandom I've created a pairing tag, so the end result tends to be the same.
>author writes multiple great 100k+ fics>still doesn't know the difference between your and you're
>>4344662I've seen fics on FFN that have 4k favs/follows and well over 300k words and there's no punctuation in the dialogue."Hello how are you"
>>4344377>Wild.I have watched some clips on YT, mainly Emma and Regina scenes but yeah.
>>4344579I've read fanfics that blow source materials out of the water (mainly ASOIAF fics)
>>4344662I bet that's one of those people who say that only read fanfiction and never books.
>>4344034Do people actually do this?
>>4345057There's a few fandoms I've read absurd amounts of fic of but haven't seen/read the source. I haven't actually written for them but that's because I mostly write original stuff, I totally would've written in them otherwise. So I get itAt a certain point osmosis via other fics totally gives you the requisite knowledge. Well, if you're writing a coffee shop au or something and not something based in canon lmao. It'd be weird if you wrote something that leaned on canon without seeing the source
>>4345057I'd never played League of Legends or watched Arcane (this is back after it just came out) but after reading some Arcane fics I watched the show and read up on LoL lore. I've never watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer but have read many a Willow/Faith, Willow/Buffy, and Willow/Tara fic.Though my favorite is probably the Satsu/Faith/Dawn fic.
>>4321529https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11682209/1/A-Quincy-s-Fairy-Tailhttps://www.fanfiction.net/s/10779632/1/The-Death-and-Life-of-Erza-Scarlethttps://www.fanfiction.net/s/11142741/1/She-is-Omegahttps://www.fanfiction.net/s/10722712/1/Chasing-the-Endless-Sunrise
>>4345019>mainly ASOIAF ficsWhat are the good ones?
>>4345100Most of the ones I've read aren't /u/ and last time I tried to post about em I got bonked. A good /u/ one is Rose Fangs and Wolf Thorns by OUATLovr
>>4344579Why would that be the assumption? Surely it'd be liking the ship a lot, like any other writer? I've often read fics for ships I haven't read, trying them out because they came very highly recommended or I really liked the author's other works, so those fics tended to be quite good and essentially were the source of canon for that ship in my mind. I can imagine someone reading enough to get hooked and picking up characterization and maybe even going through the wiki to pick up events and then, if they were the type, trying their hand at their own.
>>4345097ok other than those first two fics what are some good length crossover fics?
>>4345155Always been partial to this Firefly/Sarah Connor Chronicles crossover that makes use of the fact that Summer Glau played a character in both. It's River/Sarah Connor in the Firefly world, where Sarah is a pilot. A WIP but it's far enough along that the relationship is at a good place when it stopshttps://archiveofourown.org/works/189585/chapters/278855
>>4345132>Surely it'd be liking the ship a lot, like any other writer?What could the writer like about it, if they don't even know the original characters? Just the aesthetics? When creating an (amateur) interpretation based off an (amateur) interpretation, by that point you're writing complete OC, and it's hard to call it a fanfic anymore.
>>4345169>What could the writer like about it, if they don't even know the original characters?Nta, but you are being silly. A huge number of the big typical ships are couples whose canonical relationship material is a handful or couple of scenes. Since many of the "first party" fics are going to feature or reference those scenes, any "secondary" who reads a bunch of fics will already be familiar with the ship-relevant parts of the source material. Furthermore, very prolifically read secondaries are likely to know MORE about the original characters than the average person fresh off the boat from the source material for a lot of fandoms, because the first party fics dredge up little-known canonical details. I think your entire perspective here is fundamentally flawed. Ships are, in some sense, aesthetic by nature. Any fanfic that isn't a one to one retelling is about liking some varying, subjective amalgamation of aspects of the couple and wanting that expressed in new context. A secondary isn't somehow doing something different and prohibitive by copying their aspects from the already curated set generated by first party fans. You might as well argue that a drawing of Mokou and Kaguya can't be called fanart if the artist hasn't played Imperishable Night.
>4345169>Being purposefully obtuse for yousanother day on 4chan
>>4345346>I have nothing to add, but I can't let them take all attention!
Is it weird to think that I have a muse? I get that I'm getting into tulpa here territory but I got a comment on a fic recently from a reader who said it they've never read anything like that particular plot point in a fic before (it was a crossdressing woman, it had no basis in canon but I didn't think it was too out there, it wasn't like tentacle stuff or anything) and I couldn't really explain where the idea came from, it just felt like it was gifted to me by my muse. I just get ideas out of the blue sometimes.
>>4346611Not exactly the same but sometimes when I'm really into it I can invoke the character who's voice I'm trying to write in. It's as if they're speaking through me and I am merely a conduit of their voice.
Didn't read
Worm sisters. I can't stop thinking about turning Purity into a teenager and making her gay.
>>4347264Do it then, you won't.
>>4347264Go for it but the fandom really dislikes redeeming Purity so you might have to deal with some annoying comments.
>>4340682I’ll have to take a look at that white rose story.
>>4347397Which is always ironic to me since nobody seems to care when Lung gets written as le wise ole asian boss
>>4347396>you won't.Have to figure out how and why she's a teenager first.
>>4347397People don't seem to mind it in ack1308's Another Way fic.Now for some /u/.https://archiveofourown.org/works/24280306 Adora/Catra oneshot.https://archiveofourown.org/works/36528271/chapters/91092292 Caitlyn/Vihttps://archiveofourown.org/works/33802405/chapters/84030496 Yae Miko/Lumine twoshot.
>>4347952>https://archiveofourown.org/works/33802405/chapters/84030496 Yae Miko/Lumine twoshot.Hnnnnnnng fuggggggg
>"This is -easily- going to be the darkest story I've ever written">in actuality is filled with sexual tension from the second chapter onwards and features more full-blown sex scenes than gorey fight scenesbueno, mucho bueno gusto
>>4348231I've had the reverse issue>get a neat idea for a sex scene>want to write porn without plot just to do the sex scene>end up writing an extended melodramatic romance with a sex scene thrown in at the end
>>4348231>>in actuality is filled with sexual tension from the second chapter onwards and features more full-blown sex scenes than gorey fight scenesHello, based department?
>>4348257Yeah, I should have used the meme format to convey it properly.>read fic description>'this is my spookiest story yet!!'>look inside>VtM, but with an even more of an emphasis on teenager on creatures-of-the-night sexAve, imperatrix. We, the gooners, salute you.
>>4348291Kek
>>4347264Do it, if for no other reason than to piss em off.
>>4348244it is a curse.>write pwp, I am happy with the scene.>but...but...they have feelings. Strong feelings.>ends up with 10k of notes for an epic story to explain why they feel this way.>oh no, now I must write it. Fuck me.
>>4348244>>4348336I can barely do oneshots. 98% of my ideas must be 50+ chapters 200k+ words. They must!
>>4348338kissing before 50k? Get out of here.
>>4348345kissing before 50k? What do you take me for? If they even acknowledge each others existence before 300k the fic is trash!
>>4348445Any fic that introduces the other half of the pairing before 500k words is entirely unreadable.
>>4348450If the main girl even realizes she's a lesbian before 750k words its a disgrace.
How did you guys get into writing? I really want to write fanfics (about these two) but can't write for shit. I'm good at dialogue but awful at articulating myself and describing scenes and I really want to improve.>took me 10+ minutes to write this post
>>4345132>>4345199This is fucking stupid.
>>4342924Because not everyone is a pathetic attention whore and most writers write a story because they want to write that story.
>>4348970Wahhhhh wahhhhh wahhhh baby want a binky? Only faggot that mentioned het is you, retard.
>>4348959Practice is pretty much all you can do to get better aside from reading other authors' work. You can get pretty far with liberal application of "money see, monkey do". That and try to just shit out a rough outline of word vomit and try to beat it into shape. Though that's mostly my process, everyone is different.
>>4347264>PurityWrite E88 as LGBT friendly as long as the LGBT person is White, Would be hilarious.
>>4348959>best thing you can doWrite. Write a lot. You don't get better if you don't write. Write as much as you can without getting burnt out even if it's just to get something out of your head. Seek criticism from fellow writers/friends if you have the guts for it. >second best thingRead books. Anything at a high enough reading level is fine for this purpose but staying away from genre schlock is advised if only to broaden your horizons a little. You don't really have to read closely (ie examining the writing techniques themselves) for this either, you just end up passively absorbing ways in which you can improve your writing by reading stuff made by better writers.
>>4348959Started writing. If you want to do it just for fun, that's all there is to it, but if you want to improve, you should look into learning materials, read widely, write regularly, and try to find people capable of giving you useful critique.
>>4348959Rather than going deep into a long work, it may be more helpful and encouraging to write short scenes or stories. It’s easier to practice a specific aspect and finish a piece, allowing you to practice or try another thing. Whenever I read and get immersed, I do make a quick note to later check why exactly I felt that way (be it specific phrases worded beautiful or the unveiling of mysteries)
>>4348959unironically use ChatGPT. Before you all start screaming, let me explain. Feed the scene you wrote to it and ask how you can improve that. Then ask it why it changed certain things. It can be your personal writing teacher that never gets annoyed.
>>4348975Bullshit. Anons in this thread talk about het series all the damn time.
>>4349098That's retarded. No AI can teach you how to write better.
>>4349098Fucking idiot.You people are getting lazier and dumber by the day.
>>4350196>>4350213>took me 10+ minutes to write this postIt is a tool and maybe anon needs a little help? Can it replace your creativity? No.Can it write the story for you? No.Can it help you with grammar/comma rules etc..? Yes it can.
>>4350224Making a robot do all the work for you, will make you stupid. You already have stuff like auto correct, being this lazy isn't helpful for you, you cannot grow or improve if everything is done for you.
>>4350225It can help you, if you ask the right questions. Not everyone has a beta and if it can help our ESL frens to write better why not? I use it to brainstorm mostly.
>>4350225I did try using chatgpt as a creative writing coach of sorts once, but I found that it mostly just regurgitates common writing advice with zero regard for how it applies to the text it's supposed to be helping with. It did help me with the writing process anyway, but I haven't used it since.
>>4350240I use it to write a fic and it got better after I feed it a lot of background details of the world.
>>4350245Fanfiction is something people write out of love, if you're using an AI to be lazy, you shouldn't even bother.You're useless.
>>4350267I write it out of love. I don't say write me 5 pages of AI slop, I use it to help me get better and to give me new ideas. Always assume the worst I guess.
merry Christmas to me specificallyhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/60878500/chapters/155503375
Any sistercest kino fics that aren't Frozen or Worm related?
>>4350724This Danganronpa one is my favorite fanfic that I've read:https://archiveofourown.org/works/1124573/chapters/2266799
>>4348959Find works that you like and see what they did. Some authors simply don't bother with a lot of detailed descriptions unless it's plot relevant and I myself couldn't care if someone is standing or sitting when they do something. It's more relevant if they jump up out of excitement or anger or sit down shakily because they've had bad news.One of my favorite authors who's great with descriptions imbues them with personality, e.g., "There had been a great deal of snow that December, followed by hard frost. A few days before Christmas a thaw set in, temperatures rose steeply, the snow became slush. The sun greedily sucked up the moisture till it saturated the air and impinged on all the senses. Fog.You could smell it in the great industrial towns, its edge of carbon and sulfur biting into the windpipe.You could see it clearly wherever you looked. But it was all you could see.You could taste it if you walked out in it without a scarf or kerchief wrapped round your mouth. You could feel it, damp and greasy, on your skin. Almost under your skin.And you could hear it. No sound passed through it that it did not muffle and crush and make its own."Just creating at atmosphere of, well, cold and foggy, but it's a pleasure to read by itself before the characters even enter the story.And here are descriptions of actions:"Conversation stopped for a moment when Fallowfield came into the common room. He moved swiftly to the coffee-table and waited till Miss Disney had poured herself a cup. A smile played around his lips as she replaced the coffeepot firmly on the table and moved away without a glance at him."When you're writing something, WHY are you choosing to include it? If you can't answer, and there are a huge of number of acceptable answers, maybe it's not necessary.
>>4350754Would check
>>4345169>What could the writer like about it, if they don't even know the original characters? Just the aesthetics?If people are loving a ship from just fics, usually it's not for the aesthetics but the characterizations.However much a writer skips exposition and presumes canon knowledge on the part of the reader, what they do include in terms of the characters' actions and dialogue still conveys so much about them. This character is ambitious and scheming, this character is naive but resilient. The more fics you read, the broader your impression. If you also go into wikis and watch clips, how much more do you need to be able to write fics?>an (amateur) interpretation based off an (amateur) interpretationDoes it matter that much if it's (amateur)? Not only do we live in a world with Rings of Power, or a Wicked movie based on the Wicked musical based on the Wizard of Oz movie based on the Wizard of Oz book, we have a million different comic writers, different MCU individual movie and TV writers. It's interpretations all the way up and I wouldn't really care, for example, if someone's played all the WoW games when they're writing Sylvaina.
What do you think about dialogue for (you) in second person stories? On one hand it seems like you should avoid it to let the reader imagine the exact wording, on the other it seems hard to have much of a plot without someone talking. At first I tried having unquoted dialogue to suggest that wasn't necessarily the exact words but everyone ends up looking telepathic instead so i don't think that works well.
>>4350931>second person stories
>>4350937It's how the original is written, though.
>>4350931The second person fics I've read just include it like normal dialogue
>>4350884>Does it matter that much if it's (amateur)?Yes, because a hobbyist writer's ability to understand and emulate the original characterization is obviously worse than a professional's. So by writing fanfics based on fanfics, you're not writing the original character, but that fan's personal, often idealized and distorted perception of that character. It could even be that if you read the original work later, you'd actually end up hating the character.
>>4350991>a hobbyist writer's ability to understand and emulate the original characterization is obviously worse than a professional'sThis is easily disproven by comparing many cases where one HAS in fact consumed canon and fanfic both. Not to mention, the many intentional differences in canon. If a person wrote Harley Quinn, who would be in a position to say she's off? Conversely, as you've said, there are fic writers who've fully watched and read canon and are still shit at understanding and interpreting it. Even if someone is writing off another hobbyist's version, it's still fic of that version (and in practice, usually an amalgamation of multiple fics and other research), not original
>>4350931Normal dialogue is fine. A good amount of people who read second person stories, be it reader-insert or an existing character, view it not as themselves but as another. Like roleplaying. Having specific dialogue aids clarity and can help immerse the reader, particularly when followed up with a hard-set response. People’s interpretations can vary, even when given the same prompt or limited meaning, and there’s a chance of it clashing with what comes afterwards.
>find ongoing, regularly updated fic with 232K words and 53 chapters>seems cool>skip to last chapter to get a feel for the author's latest stuff>"pinkette"
>>4351010A writer being bad despite having first-hand experience is wholly unrelated to writers with secondhand information, and proves nothing about their ability. Also, using multiple fics as sources without the original reference will likely take the writer even further away from canon, not closer to it.Not that any of this has anything to do with my original confusion of how a writer could be so fascinated by a pairing in fanfics that she'd write her own, but somehow doesn't care about the real work or characters. This mental split just makes no sense to me.
Why is it so hard to write inappropriate flirting that isn't complete garbage?
>>4351172Inappropriate how?
>>4350224>Can it help you with grammar/comma rules etc..?So can fucking Word.
>>4351141I'd say that as you read more fics, you get more of a sense of canon events so at least in that sense, the picture becomes clearer. As someone who reads fics for ships I haven't watched or read or played, the first (good) fic of that ship I try essentially serves as the canon. Usually I try at all because I'm going through an author I like and finished all the fics from fandoms I'm already familiar with and, since the f/f community is still relatively small and the number of popular ships even tinier, I look at a fic from a ship I've already scrolled by a few times and the summary sounds good and... I click. In those cases, I've already made the decision to not watch GOT (for Sansaery) or play WoW (Sylvaina) or watch every relevant MCU movie/show and read every relevant comic (BlackHill--in this case I did go watch Winter Soldier, but a lot of the fics reference comic events I only realize are canon because they're repeated so often). Each of those has a bunch of fics, so I guess it's also just about finding something to read, but it still has to win you over and if you're lucky one of those first few fics does. Not every ship will and most others, I will actually read/watch the source first. And then if you really get into it, especially if you comment and get into back and forths with writers, I've seen people get into writing ships because their tumblr/Twitter friends are majorly into them and post constantly about them, the investment from all that reading can be turned into writing.
christ wtf is going on with ffnet. I'm getting constantly bombarded by scam art offers. Not a single actual review among them
>>4351427It's time to move to ao3 oneechan
>>4351439Oh i've been there for many years. I cross post all my fics to both sites and ffnet has gotten progressively shittier
>>4351237Thanks, influence from friends and community does make it understandable. I didn't consider that angle.
>>4351668Glad to be of service. :) Lol, out of nowhere I suddenly remembered the Disney crossover ship Amelia (from Treasure Planet) x Jane (from Tarzan) from years ago. This was before Once Upon a Time had people mash together different Princesses like dolls, one really liked them and wrote fic for them and then there were manips and fanart and more fics. It is crazy what an enthusiastic community can do. Like that one artist for Jessie/Ash's mom created
>>4350538and a happy New Year. another lewd update
https://archiveofourown.org/works/50806108/chapters/128346823The Max whump in this fic is delicious. First LIS fic I read. What are other good ones with a great deal of angst?
>>4321529Any mind control /u/ fics?
>>4356481there are a bunch of Kigo ones, obviously
>>4344034It's insane. I've tried a few times before because I'm curious what other people are getting out of it, but it just doesn't work. I can never tell what's going on because fanfic is written with the idea that you already have knowledge of the source material.
>>4357046Reading most HP, WoW or Avatar fics would probably be rough with zero context, but all you need for the majority of Elsanna fics is to know they are sisters, maybe that Elsa has magic ice powers, but you are likely to still get told that in a fic anyway, so going in blind is not a problem. It's really a fic by fic or fandom by fandom thing.AU fics obviously require less source material knowledge, though a reader will miss out on references to original events that are made and might find some characters flat without the additional characterization brought from the source material.
>>4357084I see. I don't normally read that kind of AU fic, so I guess that makes sense.But that raises more questions- the reason I read fanfic is because I enjoy the characters and want to read more about them, or I thought the author messed up the character or setting in some way and want to see it done "better"/differently. If you're just reading AUs, why not read original fiction at that point? Not like there's any lack of lesbian romance out there at this point, it's not 1996 anymore.
>>4357084I've been able to pick up multiple doorstopper WoW fics without looking at any of the source material. I've got some gist of it over the years from all the ranting on /v/ about how they took a massive dump on Sylvanas over time.
>>4357084There's not much context to Avatar, to be fair. Planet of blue ayy lmaos, humans came, a human betrayed the other humans for blue alien pussy, a couple of battles happened, humans lost because of a literal Deus Ex Machina.That's all the context you need.
Does anyone have any recommendations for Kannazuki no Miko fics? Mostly looking for post-canon fic about the main couple's life together. I haven't found much that's good.
>>4357202>If you're just reading AUs, why not read original fiction at that point?Fanfic is cheaper and more accessible
>>4357238Can't argue with that. That's half the reason I read fanfic more than original fiction as well. Still, don't you want more out of your fanfic than "it's there?"
>>4357202> If you're just reading AUs, why not read original fiction at that point? Not like there's any lack of lesbian romance out there at this point, it's not 1996 anymore.Volume for one thing. Even if you don't know Frozen, if you read some Elsanna AU fic and like it, you can then go read a hundred other fics, when you come across one you don't like, you can just drop it and find another. When you feel like drama you can go read an angsty one and when you feel like fluff you can find that. A book is just a book, you read it and then unless there's a sequel, you move on to an entirely different story with completely different characters.It's like fan art. If you don't know the characters, then fan art is effectively the same as original artwork, but has the added benefit that if you like the aesthetic of MadoHomu, there's thousands of pictures to enjoy.>>4357209The other Avatar, dork.
>>4357250Okay, that's a good reason, can't object to it at all. I understand why people read those fics a lot better now (although I still don't understand why people would write them).Anyhow, thread tax:https://archiveofourown.org/works/26300071/chapters/64034947
>>4357204Like 4th War stuff or like Third War/Quel'thalas AU fics? Because I could see the latter, since most of those are just "Jaina is from the human kingdom and moves to the Elven one", but I feel like deposed Sylvanas fics would be a clusterfuck for someone who doesn't have the surrounding context of who various characters are and what events led up to the war.
>>4357202>Not like there's any lack of lesbian romance out there at this pointif only there was some central page that lists all of these, preferably with tags so you can filter out the shit you don't wanna see, without having to read through pages of goodreads comments
>>4357259do I need to know Toradora for that?
>>4351172Flirting in general is legitimately harder for me to write than the sex. Something about trying to construct a saucy and playful dynamic when you're in charge the demeanor of everyone involved is weirdly tricky.
>>4357617I don't think so. It's postcanon, so you'll be totally spoiled if you go in blind, but the canon is het romance, so no loss there. You probably will want the wiki handy, though.
>>4357238>>4357247Ao3 has an original fiction tag
>>4357262NTA and you'd think so, but even then, a fic written well enough gives me the context anyway. If a character is included and they're being angry or flirting or seem like an angel (valkyrie...) that can apparently bring back someone from the dead, like, okay, that's what I need to know about them. Fic actually gives me one thing a lot of modern sff is bad at: a lack of unnecessary exposition. A lot of books, /u/ or not, think readers are dumb and need everything explained. I, personally, would rather get thrust into an ongoing world with ongoing dynamics than have them all slowly explained.Another thing fics have going for them is that a very small selection of people want to be a published lesfic writer and are willing to go through the steps needed to release a book. To write fic, you just need to be moved by fiction that already exists. The pool is so much larger, and the ratio of good/bad is probably not that different, a lot of smart, talented people choose lives that aren't "try to make money from the least lucrative literature niche there is". Nowadays there are so many adults from any field who'll write a fic. One of the best fics I read was from someone who was clearly DEEPLY embedded in the (legal) pharmaceuticals world. People with stories worth telling can take existing worlds and characters and play around with them where they might not have the time, energy, or inclination to create a whole new everything.
>>4358131>a lack of unnecessary exposition.This is why I can't read a lot of modern original fiction. I can easily pick up the nuances in something like WoW without any familiarity with the setting/characters. I'd rather just jump right in and not have things explained and slowly figure them out through context whilst the plot and romance runs at a good pace. I don't need an autistic lecture on how the magic works thank you very much.
>>4358157Obligatory plug for our lord and savior gideon the ninth. They barely attempt to explain beyond context clues there which is disarming at first but way neater than heavy handed exposition.
Is there a way to get feedback on what you write? I've tried a few Discord servers and it's proven useless beyond the usual "sure it's great" shallow engagement.
>>4358394Ideally you'd have a friend or two also into writing who are able to go over a WIP and give serious detailed feedback. That's really the best way, people do tend to be blandly complementary if they're just commenting.
>>4358394You're going to have to cold call writers in the same fandom after putting out a few one-shots. It's literally the only way that's ever worked for me.
>>4358396>>4358424It's so over...But nah I've got a couple friends IRL who were interested in chatting about it, I'll see where I get with them. The predominant fandom I write in is comically small, and I'm already doing an AU with a protracted series. Never thought it would turn out this way but I'm seeing this bitch through to the end.
>>4358426Which fandom? Gotta be a million to one odds but if I'm in it I could read for you.
>>4358427Oxenfree. I've got other stuff in other fandoms, but that's the majority of what I've put out. I posted the first piece in one of these threads way back and got good responses, but it's so enmeshed in the plot action now I don't know if it would keep /u/'s attention.
>>4358432It's been over eight years since I played Oxenfree but I remember liking it. Am I misremembering that there was some vaguely yuri dialogue in it?
>>4358432Damn now that really is a niche fandom. I've got zero familiarity but I wish you the best with finishing it up.
>>4358426>>4358432If it's a really small fandom, it's probably worth a shot to try the cold call anyways. I know I would be thrilled if someone came up to me asking to beta for some of the smaller fandoms I'm in.Although I can't help you with Oxenfree. I've never even heard of it until you brought it up.
>>4358439If you really dig for it you can find some naive fawning kind of subtext around the mc but that's a stretch. My AU just rips it right out with hidden unrequited feelings that get a chance to bloom in the horror plot.>>4358440Thanks, it's been a lot of fun and good writing practice, should be over 200k words when I'm done. It'll get really nuts when I animate it.>>4358441You give me hope, anon. Dangerous. I'll give it a shot.
>>4337723I know we've had these debates in these threads before but I don't think 2nd person is objectively bad - 'real' authors have done good work with it, but also I know I've read at least a few good pics that were 2nd person too (in particular I remember once reading a Mio/Ritsu fic that was 2nd person and very good).I think the issue is that Reader fics are wish fulfilment and purely masturbatory, like VR POV porn. If you have a shred of decency or self-worth/self-esteem, self inserting into these stories is pointless and uncomfortable, and the writing is never good anyway due to the self-serving nature of the work.
>>4358131>One of the best fics I read was from someone who was clearly DEEPLY embedded in the (legal) pharmaceuticals world.pairing/fic?
>>4352888my trips have gone criminally unchecked, sisters. please read this crazy AU I need someone to suffer with me https://archiveofourown.org/works/60878500/chapters/155503375
>>4358805you've got a bajillion kudos and comments though....
>>4358805Is this genderswap?
>>4358545It was Katie/Effy from Skins, an AU called Conflict of Interest but the author deleted it, as well as the incomplete sequel. I saved it here, though, if you're interested https://www.mediafire.com/file/9404ah5ctqhj3yp/unexpectedmocha_-_Skins_-_Conflict+of+Interest_(Ch_45)[F].epub/file
>>4358440>niche fandom>320 worksDamn, I must be writing for microscopic ones. I always considered a fandom with more than fifty works to be big for me.
>>4358958I'm actually kind of surprised at 320 but I suppose it has been around for a decade. It's all about how you characterize fandom I guess, compared to the huge ones with thousands of fics there's not much difference between 320 and a few dozen.
>>4358958It looks like Oxenfree is split between het and F/F, so it's fairly small in /u/ terms.
>>4358394If you're extremely desperate to get eyeballs on your work, the fanfiction subreddit has beta exchanges and concrite exchange threads, but be warned that literally no one writes FF so you may have to read some Batman mpreg shit. I've never participated because normies have the worst taste in everything and I have no interest in reading Harry Potter or Marvel fics even if I get advice in exchange.
>>4359973Honestly that's what I find on the Discord servers already. People don't touch /u/ fics with a ten foot pole, and it's even worse if it's not straight up sappy romance.Fugg it, I'm posting my series here.https://archiveofourown.org/series/3670996Leave a comment, reply here, or DM me, however you want, if you're interested in critiquing it. Hopefully someone gets some enjoyment out of it.
whats with most frozen fics having elsa and anna not be related??
>>4360689Mainstream writers who wanna do f/f but get squeamish at the idea of incest.
>>4360689If you write incest, you kind of have to focus on the existence of the incest. Not sure why you would write Elsanna in the first place then, but presumably they like the community?
>>4360689Normies always turn away from greatness because it makes them uncomfortable and feels problematic.
>>4360689I don't think it's completely valueless, because you can still have Anna's characterization and Elsa's characterization and have them hook up (along with the surrounding cast), but it does feel like it's losing the biggest part of the pairing. I have seen it successfully replaced by other similar things though, like there's a pretty decent fic that has teen Anna falling for Elsa, a new teacher, so the taboo element is still there.
https://archiveofourown.org/works/52292470/chapters/132282058#main>trapped in a room, forced to do sexual things to your gf or be tortured by her in progressively deadlier waysThis setup is inexplicably hot because I like whump/ryona
>>4361620sounds stupid. at least make them hate each other or be related or give them any reason to not just do the sexual option you'd do regardless of being trapped.
>>4361620As a ryona appreciator, it's been great to see it getting more popular and normalized over the last few years. Like 10 years ago it was impossible to find outside of insane fetish sites.
>>4360250>DM meeh?
>>4361840Is there a DM option on Ao3? I just assumed there was lol
>>4361661It's humiliating to be fucked while your captors watch. Also I didn't phrase it accurately, they aren't together in the fic, but they have liked each other for a while.
>>4360870>there's a pretty decent fic that has teen Anna falling for Elsa, a new teacherLink please!
>>4361712Oh yeah we're feasting these days.
>>4362282>mildly inconvenient thing vs torture
>>4362289nta, but it is Language of Love by walard
>>4362384She can take it
>>4361712You are disgusting.
>>4362642It's not like ryona automatically means crazy guro explosions or anything. A little romantically charged violence isn't even in the top 50 sickest things on AO3.
>>4362189No dm option, the closest thing would probably be turning on comment moderation so only author can see a comment before choosing to publicize it, but even then it’s a clunky bypass
>>4362642Ooh we got an actual puritan here. On fucking 4chan of all places.
