Previous >>4333761Thread for yuri discussion of:>Genshin Impact>Honkai Impact 3rd>Honkai Star Rail>Guns GirlZ>Zenless Zone Zeroand other applicable miHoYo/Hoyoverse games
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>>4352264Kek. Really telling how bad it become when your OP image is from 5 years ago.
>>4350358I seriously doubt anything would happen to a playable character in current year, especially one marketed to hell and back. But I believe preload is available now so spoilers are beginning to surface, definitely stay off the internet if you want to experience 5.3 AQ on your own
I sure hope space greece won't be one big kevin wankfest, but my hopes are not very high.And hoyofair will feature a full on slice of school life animated music video by honeyworks featuring Stelle and the gang, something to look forward to in a few days https://youtu.be/kxaGSMeEOA0?si=unRMjX-9tWaPFb3C
Beiguang spoilers for lantern festival
>>4352545I saw that lore trailer they uploaded featuring some generic dudes face on the thumbnail and didn’t even feel like watching
>>4352552You didn't miss much. Unfortunately it looks like that guy might be the new Sunday. So I've already lost interest somewhat. Hopefully that's not the case
>>4352590More like Aventurine, Sunday didn't had that much screentime at all.
>>4352593I feel like Sunday had more screentime overall than Aventurine.
>>4352635You feel wrong.
>>4352637Nah I'm sure you're wrong here. You're probably a speed reader. You're just stupid
I like that Stelle has a poster of Kafka in her room
>>4352635Nah, that cant be right.Also the bigger issue is Adventurine's forced screentime was smack middle during the main quest, which made it all the more frustrating.
>>4352551More of the same old stuff then, just writing them around in circles to the point where nothing feels changed from 2.4's LR.
>>4352759This is still more /u/ relevant than all of Natlan, so I will take it at this point.
>>4352762Oof! Dark times indeed if we are relying on RWBYfied Beiguang then.
>>4352768It's Hoyo. What did you expect them kissing and saying they love each other?
>>4352768seriously what were you expecting, a marriage proposal?
https://youtu.be/hvC_xn7tr4g?si=zh69kUhGkInyzeuF&t=744kek, Black Swan
So which hoyo games has more lesbians?
I lost interest in playing the game but I'm still obsesed with Kafstel
Stelle is featured in the new HSR trailer and she is hugged by two girls, one of them being Elysia, neat
>>4353531>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XbfpvM2tlcI hope they stay consistent with Stelle throughout the 3.X patches
>>4353610>>4353611Should I start playing Star rail now?
Some good stuff in this hoyofairhere are the most yuri ones:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGkCTg3bgjohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AC4Y6xLbQQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFmITEjbsBU KiaMei that I can't find the link to, but it's In The End (畢竟) by DUSTCELLAnd Trashcan song and Herta's wonderland adventures had some yuri bits but I can't find the links too
>>4353616Some of those links are premieres, here is the VOD linktimed for the most yuri of the vids https://youtu.be/F8ehug0qT-Q?si=Nw4xfoelMckkzWQD&t=3839
>>4353616https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOJQfRlXhjA
>>4353500Genshin by far
Line count for 5.4 event...I can't believe my eyes, it's a miracle
>>4353652We're so back
>>4353616I like how in Stelle's trash song its basically her trying to get Firefly, Kafka, and Fu Xuan to join her in her gross hobby. Surprisingly no March
The 2 in the front should team up and bully the blindfolded one (sexually)
>>4353652>>4353661Is Raiden the most forgotten archon. Or is this not all the characters that talk?
>>4353664This is not all characters and not all lines. But Ei is still outyapping Paimon here
>>4353543>>4353610>>4353611Stelle seems to work well with Aglaea based on the livestream. Harmony Stelle was designed for Firefly, and we saw how big that ship became. I'm hoping this is foreshadowing a possible Stelle x Aglaea ship. At least this is what I'm choosing to believe until being proven wrong
>>4353672Sorry anon my dumb brain didn't even see Ei's name between Lumine and Paimon. Still thanks for letting me know there's more lines. It seems like this will be a Ei and Lumine event
>>4353616Are these official?
>>4353689Hoyo sponsored for the hoyofair
>>4353610>>4353611>>4353616We can say that Stelle is the favorite trail?The band one feel like they were inspired on Sasakoi
>>4353611Unexpected, but interesting.
>>4353500Honkai Impact 3rd and it isn't even close. Helps that there are only like, 8 male characters in the entire game, only half of whom have any sort of relationship with a woman, one of which is explicitly unrequited in favor of her loving another woman.
>>4353610Who this that hugs Stelle here? Have we seen her yet?
>>4353824It's Cyrene, she's from 3.0, so not yet, no
>>4353804I'm pretty sure he meant from the flagship hoyoverse games. Else I'm pretty sure that would be Gakuen anyway
>>4352801>>4352866Honestly, I'd happily take a return to the glory days of 2021 and resume the Qingguang crumbs and actually getting Ninglan interactions.
>>43536525.4 event could be literal abysmal dogshit and it'd still be peak if it gives us Eimikosara content.
I see some people are already shipping them
>>4353921Bestest girl that she got?
From the new years live stream
how is the 5.3 story quest for genshin?
I was lurking on the thread a bit, and it's quite interesting reading about criticisms on the games.I've completed the 5.3 AQ quest and let's be honest. I bet people will criticize it a lot in retrospect. Since I wanna make my own game(a yuri one), I was trying to understand what I found a bit lacking.To be frank, IDK if it's genshin alone or asian stories in general,but I think they'd work way better if they followed western-style storytelling. Eastern-style is good for serialized mangas, endless xianxias, etc... not a story with beginning, middle and end.For example, Natlan's quest would really benefit if it fully followed three act-structure and put traveler on high stakes all the time. There are many times it takes too much leisure ad not enough stakes.For example, take all the hot spring scenes away or make them very short, make Capitano into an anti-villain for the whole quest, so his help at natlan feels strange, instead of him being buddies with Mavuika, and put a solid midpoint.Also, IDK why HyV avoids character arcs so hard. Literally just Kachina has one, which ends by the point she wins the tournament.Take Chasca for example, If we had her show her belligerancy as a peacemaker instead of being told of it, then seeing her sister worry about her, the moment she learns to be more civil and yet Chuychu dies, it would hit harder.But well, maybe I'm expecting too much from a gacha game. That's why I'd rather try making my own story than complain i'm not being well served.At least, with people complaining, it's free material to understand my future target audience.
I just hope when that robot girl from the idols faction comes out she gets plenty of art with Grace, it's only fair
>>4354427>Also, IDK why HyV avoids character arcs so hard.Gacha needs a character to be easily recognizable and easy to sell. If a character has a character arc, it adds complexity and makes it harder to sell to a specific audience
>>4354309I enjoyed it, but the patch's highlight is in the Mictlan tribal chronicle. Citlali gets to resolve her relationship with Huitzilin from 200 years ago. Some quality doomed yuri.
>>4354427I still haven't finished the quest (I'm at the part where Mavuika and Lumine came back from the fight and had another fucking banquet ) and so far Natlan seems worse than a lot of other genshin plots.I didn't play the game from launch, so I'm under no illusion that Mond and Liyue were masterpieces like people say. All Archon quests have several flaws. But compared to Natlan, they all had at least some great ideas and moments, but Natlan so far has been a big fat nothing. There's zero stakes, suspense and sense of danger. Like yeah a lot of people died, but they were all NPCs. Everything just gets solved so easily. The last battle I saw felt like the fake ending in Penacony, from Star Rail. Like everything just went perfectly, but the game kept trying to convince you that something super epic was happening. And if another party or banquet happens I'll throw my laptop through the window.Another problem with Natlan is the characters. Honestly I don't like any of them. Besidest he lack of screentime, none of them seem interesting and make me want to know more, like how I felt for Clorinde.
>>4354512I haven't played the quest yet, but I think your take is pretty unpopular. 5.1 quest were good compared to 5.0 imo and seeing that everyone is saying that this quest is "peak" I want to believe its actually good.But anyways, why are we talking about storytelling on this board, I don't think the quest has yuri at all seeing the reactions (again), which is what truly matters
>>4354482Well, you can still make positive character arcs. This is the sort of complexity that makes characters relatable, shippable, and ultimately, sellableTake my exaple for Chasca. How many people pulled because they liked her character? I didn't dislike her, she's nice, but her lore implied she's very hotheaded and Chuychu was the one always worrying about her.They could postpone Chuychu's death to 5.3, maybe with her being affected by the abyss and dying from it's poison, and have her appear in Chasca's story quest, where Chasca do her chasca thing, being hotheaded, especially when her Qucussaurus family is targeted, and Chuychu is the voice of reason.You'd still relate to Chasca, since it's her family, she would obviosly get pissed of if her qucussaurus family is poached, you have her qucussaurus sister which is a greatfoil to her, since she's a beast and is obviously belligerant, and Chuychu acting as the foil to both, being the voice of reason, but still needing to trust Chasca more since she's already an adult and a important warrior in Natlan. Nothing else in Chasca's story quest would need to be altered.End the arc, Chuychu learns to trust Chasca, Chasca learns to be a bit more civilized even in harsh situations, Chasca's qucussaurus sister learns to trust certain humans, and we creates the seeds for another yuri shipping...until Chuychu's death in 5.3
>>4354512They weren't as good as people say. All the adeptus' part in Liyue's quest, and Zhongli preparing his own funeral could be made shorter.Liyue's quest was about Zhongl's retirement and him giving authority to humans, first and foremost due to the threat of erosion. We never see Zhongli being doubtful of this choice once, questioning if the Qixing could be up to the test.The CN community instead of treating him like a character like everyone else, treated him like Mister China, and we are never allowed to put a single question in China's character.
>>4354482That's not true. Look at Wanderer. He starts out as a villain and goes through a while arc into becoming an anti hero. Now he's an edgy guy trying to make friends and be better under Nahida's guidance. Same with his mother Ei. She starts out wanting to preserve things for all eternity, but soin realizes change is good for herself and her people.
>>4354482Sorry I meant to quote >>4354427 not you.
>>4354512I do love Mualani and Kachina so I disagree with you on the second half of your complaint. This is also not even an issue for Natlan alone. Fontaine had this same issue with its AQ with Sigewinne, Clorinde, Wrio, and Alre. They just kinda existed and offered nothing but stretching out the story. Inazuma and Sumeru I'd argue are the only regions that use the whole cast pretty well.Natlan would've been viewed far if it was the 3rd region in the game. It shares the same problems those two regions share. The lack of urgency, little character development, simple plot, etc.
>>4354427Gacha games inherently struggle with coherent storytelling because the spaced out patch updates and the constant need to shill the latest characters Ironically, Honkai Impact 3 actually did a decent job of this because most of Part 1’s story was able to stick to just a few characters thanks to the fact that the game’s “new” character releases are actually just different battle suits for the same handful of characters.
i'll be even daring today, and no gacha is ever going to do this shit, fearing it will make them lose says:characters need character flaws. They don't need to be assholes, but they need flaws to be overcomed, for them to be haunted by them, and to create foils with other characters.For example. I really liked Xilonen's story quest. It was a mystery, it had the foreshadowings, and it turned out, Tlazolli was a grief-motivated kidnapper and villainess. She was extremely relatable, and I really wanted her to be "saved" instead of defeated.Xilonen's "flaw" is her laziness. What if in her arc, Xilonen dismissed the consideration that her own master was a villain, and didn't want to push things further, and wanted to laze around as much as she can now that there isn't the imminent threat in the war? It's a flaw. Maybe there would even be the looming question that would she ever finish Traveler's name, since she's lazy.Turns out, her laziness wouldn't be that she doesn't like working, but that she is "lazy" regarding emotional problems in particular, kinda like Oreki in Hyouka whom didn't want to deal with emotional problems of others, and was always forced by circunstances and Chitanda's appeal.She finds out she's wrong, and accepts the responsibility of taking care of Nepecha. It's not a flaw that would make Xilonen an asshole, it's even a relatable flaw for many people, and she overcomes in the end, making her character better. Also, it would set her up as a good foil to Tlazolli, whom was on the extreme opposite of the spectrum, being so stricken by grief, she becomes a "devouring mother", while Xilonen has to learn the motherly responsibilities so at the end, she can become the surrogate, adoptive "mother" of Nepecha.The quest had a good theme of names and what means to have one and having a false one, totally suitable for the name engraver. Of Story quests, hers was the best in Natlan by far, and one of the best in the whole game, but because of Tlazolli.
>>4354427It's not a matter of "Asian Stories", it's specifically gacha, or rather, live-service games, as >>4354625 laid out. While the structure is less common in a way that even bothers trying to tell a story in the West, the few examples like Destiny make it clear where the issue lies.So if you're trying to write your own story, especially your own game, do not even bother looking at such games for things to pick apart, they're so detached from good, consistent storytelling you'll just wind up taking all the wrong lessons from the attempt.
>>4354639The thing is, my target audience is there, so I need to see at least what people want or not. I ain't doing a gacha, but it will be a yuri, harem fantasy. The target audience for that is already low enough, so better knowing their tastes really well.
>>4354632While I don't necessarily agree with the specific example of Xilonen, as I rather like her characterization as a lay-about belying an insightful and brilliant mind, I do agree in general that Genshin has a lack of, desu, assholes. Or at least characters with abrasive personalities. Basically every character in Genshin is the same friendly, helpful, all-around agreeable sort of person, to the point there's next to nothing in the way of interpersonal conflict in relationships. Arlecchino, much as I love her too, comes across as particularly egregious. While I also disagree with precisely how much some fans built her up as a genuine monster based on information that could clearly be misconstrued, and were subsequently disappointed when she was completely benign, the sheer degree the game actually went in the other direction with her is still disappointing. There's some potential for her teased conflict with the Rooster, but given he's supposed to be playable too, I'm pretty sure he'll wind up just as if not MORE cleaned up by the time it's relevant.Ironically, I don't much care for Wanderer or Alhaitham, despite them being two of the only characters who do display any kind of abrasiveness. And I'm not sure if that's me being a hypocrite, or them being so rare causing a dissonance. Or maybe it's just that they're men the wider fanbase obsesses over that I dislike. Who knows.
>>4354625I think R1999 does a great job at writing it's characters. Hoyo games have a terrible problem with shilling new characters at the expense of existing ones. Nowhere was that more obvious than in Fontaine. It's like every character showed up to serve a purpose and then go back to being irrelevant. Lyney and his siblings existed to make Arle see Lumine as an ally in the AQ. Afterwards they did nothing until the prison. They only were in the prison for a fake out Wrio is evil plot. Arle didn't do anything in the AQ at all. Childe just gets forgotten. Fontaine was a mess
>>4354632I think you've mistaken charactrt trait to chatacter flaw. For example Itto is gullible and sometimes acts without thinking. That's a character traits of his but I wouldn't call it a flaw. Same with Xilonen.
>>4354648Anon I'm gonna be honest it does sort of make you a hypocrite. This post comes across more as you wanting a character that appeals to you in particular. It's like watching Fairy Tail, asking for an asshole character, getting one, and then not liking them because they aren't the type that appeals to you. I think you less want an asshole character and more want a character that appeals to your tastes.
>>4354656A trait becomes a flaw when it brings prejudice to others or themselves. Xilonen's trait would become a flaw because she'd dismiss that her master was the villainess because she'd be too lazy to investigate further at first. She'd know something is up with Tlazolli, but let it slide.Remember that she even tried to let is slide when she discovered that Tlazolli planned to rob people's memories to recover Nechca's, which clearly shows a "laziness" with a moral excuse, like "ypu are my master, I trust you, you are doing this shady shit that will affect people in our tribe, but it's for Nechca's recovery so I'll let it slide".It's only when Nepecha herself asks for help that Tlazolli is put as a villainess, which was a really great twist, and it would set well if Xilonen's laziness was her flaw, given Nepecha herself had to act and only then she tried to intervene for once.Of Course, that wasn't the way they did. Xilonen herself was instigating the "seeds" for Nepecha to reveal herself all along, with the two versions of that story and all.As for Arlecchino, I also think she was too "buddied up", and Wrio could become a better char if they went full "Meropide is my turf, my responsibility, and you ain't bailing no one here, even if Neuvilette said it so" and his Remuria boat was set up first as some sort of secret project from the start, but not for úlling a Noah, but maybe to conquer Fontaine or some shit, which would later be revealed that it was to save people instead, and that Wrio did his investigation of the prophecy of his own, but studying Remuria.This way, Wrio could even be a "guide" for 4.6 in Remuria, maybe his weird cat was with him all along in 4.1, which was Cassiodorus in disguise, and Cassiodorus was the one whom guided Wrio to recreate Remurian technology by escorting him to the Faded castle.
>>4354653>I think R1999 does a great job at writing it's characters.I'll agree that it does better than GI or HSR, but still faces some of the same problems. For example, Druvis is initially presented as part of the main team, but she has been completely irrelevant basically since release. Or Sonetto, who is the face of the game, but has had very little screen time lately except for a couple scenes here and there
There are too many points to address without spending an hour writing, but I just have to say you have a weird amount of self-Importance. A lot of these rewrites are either restating what the game did and acting like you came up with the idea, or changing something for "better" emphasis while missing what the original was doing.
DESU, I'm not doing any rewrites, that was never my point, it was just to demonstrate the initial point, which was about character arcs, and how could they played out with material that already exists. Also, it wasn't something I thought that hard really, more of a stream of consciousness from the spur of the moment.In the end, just complaining "oh this story is bad" without trying to imagine how it might've been better in your perspective is just useless rambling. It's kinda like cooking: Just complaining the food is bad, without trying to figure out what went wrong and how would you improve, will never help you become a cook. Maybe that's how it is for most people, since most people ain't going to write, but I stated from the start my intention was to understand the problem so I could learn a thing or two.Also, take your timing writing your answer. I'll take mine reading it all.
>>4354663Fair assessment, though I wasn't expecting to be called out on it on /u/ when the caveat was "Male."
>>4354678Druvis was a big part of the team when it came to saving Vertin.There's a difference between in circumstances to me. I regards to Genshin and Star Rail they introduce characters and don't have nothing for them to do within the arc. In R1999 there's just no need to have Druvis in some of the arcs. It's not that's she's forgotten, it's more she doesn't really have anything to do in some of the later stories. She'd just be showing up just to show up. I feel like when they have a story they want her in they'll go all in with her like they've done already.
>>4354666The issue I have with your rewrites is that it makes the story too bloated. Some of these characters are meant to just be characters we roll for. Giving them too much time and development might hurt the overall pacing. It's like adapting a book. You can't add every detail from a book into the adaptation. Is Wrio a main character to the Fontaine AQ? Not really. Same thing with Arle and Chasca. Could they be written better? Of course but the focus of these AQ aren't about them. Characters like Furina and Nahida are written pretty well and developed well because they are the focus. Imagine if Fontaine randomly took the time to give more background on Clorinde and her relationship to Navia, told us about Arle's past, and spent a lot of time on Wrio's backstory? The story would be even slower than it was at times.
>>4354702I get your point, and I agree with it on most parts, especially regarding AQ in Genshin, since I too said there are some parts that could be taken off for example in Natlan (Pretty much everything that happens in the hotsprings save for the small lore regarding Atea and Mualani's reveal that abyss seems to cater their threats to each tribe almost consciously)However, It ain't the same thing for Story Quests or World Quests, and at least I tried to not add many things it weren't already present in the lore or character descriptions.The thing is, Genshin constantly falls into some writing flaws people repeat ad nauseam herei n the west like Show, don't tell for example. Take Chasca's example: We are told of her traits, not shown them. In the AQ there ain't time for that, but in her Story quest does, and I believe we don't even needed to alter almost anything in her quest, just make her react differently to events, that is, instead of reacting with a cool head since Chuychu's death already "sobered" her, we show why Chuychu was always worried about her, by making Chasca as belligerant as the lore about her implies, and that is better done with her alive. It would even help later when she died, because we could have known Chuychu better for her death to have more impact.I also believe these defects in storytelling ain't due to the game being gacha, time constraints or anything. My assumption was that it is because eastern storytelling doesn't deal with these as well as our modern, western take for these things. I might be wrong on that, but that's how it feels.
I"ll go as far as say, If I were to actually rewrite Natlan stuff, I'd never kill Chuychu. I want to pull for her, and ship her with Chasca.
>>4354722But you're additions are flawed as well. You're changing the characters. Wrio doesn't want to rule Fontaine. Him meeting the cat would ruin the surprise of Lumine meeting the cat later. The issue with your writing is you're trying to write a story where every character is not just a main character but the main character. It's extremely bloated and some of it changes who the characters are to fit your narrative. It's ok to not like something but don't rewrite the story and fill it with some of the same flaws.
>>4354722A major issue but you and Natlan make is that neither make a good complete story. It's just ideas thrown together. Chasca is more hotheaded lead to anything? Does Wrio having a different reason for making the boat go anywhere? Now you've made him a big part of Remuria, which means now a lot of the pacing is ruined because Wrio and the audience will now have to hear info he was given in the AQ. I agree Hoyo's writing has issues but I have to say your rewrites of the story also has quite a few issues as well.
>>4354746I agree the wrio part isn't the best. I was just trying to figure out how to make him more relevant in the quest.Also, what do you mean by bloatness? Let's get on the same page. I assume bloating is to add details that doesn't add to the main plot, character arc or theme.For example, adding the cat would be bloat in the AQ quest, since how Wrio got his knowledge about Remuria isn't important for that moment, but it wouldn't on Remuria's world quest, and would connect both quests.Another example, The hot sprong party quest isn't competely a bloat. The whole dreams' scene was a detail that hinted how Traveler would get help in the night kingdom given the lore said before people there don't have identifiable forms. However, the Ahaw scene, Amina's preparations, etc... are all bloat. How Amina is handling the party and how good Mavuika is to quickly take care of the problem isn't relevant for this quest in particular.
>>4354755The thing is you don't have to do that. You take away the adventure and the discovery of things. Also you're somewhat cheater because you're using the benefit of hindsight in your rewrites. Who's to say they had a full idea of what story Remuria will have? Again I feel like your ideas add unnecessary things and force connections between events that doesn't need to be made.
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>>4354782All writers are cheaters in that regard. It is because someone created first, that we can analise and learn from it, both with their successes and failures. Hoyo didn't invent writing, their writers too probably read others to come with things of their own. For example, I bet my two kidneys someone whom watched Evangelion came with the Fontaine quest. and how that takes the adventure and discovery of things?Well, if some detail has to be added, it can always come with another quest. I think for example we have too few quests involving our playable roster.For example, I'd like to do saurian hunting adventures with Kinich for example, but his quest dealing with Kogamato would be worse if we focused on other saurian hunting adventures.
>>4354663Anon wants an abrasive character, but that doesn't mean this trait is the only thing that will make a character good. Just like how some of the goody two shoes characters are fun, the jerk types can fail if they don't fulfill other requirements. Alhaithan is a douche, but he almost feels like a mary sue, his plans always go right and the game keeps glazing him. I swear he and Dr Ratio are the same person. Wanderer is a whiny baby who got mad at a kid who died from sickness. Plus everyone agrees his redemption arc was one of the worst things in the whole game.The plot and story can shape how we feel about characters too.
>>4354814You're missing the point of my post. Anyway I'm not really up to talking about this anymore. I'll leave it with this. I dislike your ideas more than Hoyo's ideas.
>>4354819Anon wants an abrasive character that suits their tastes. That's really it.
The thing is, I'm not claiming to be a better writer than Hoyo's. I am definitely way worse, and that's why I have to learn from them, even in the things they didn't do right.Since I saw people complaining about the quests from Hoyo games, I was trying to get what people have in their minds, what parts they didn't like, and try to come with a theory of what made certain parts not good for me in particular, and learn from other people's perspectives on the thing.The main thing is, I think I too am not that good at presenting a character, or how to make it shippable or wife-able, I'm not that good at figuring out what other people like in this regard.For example, why people are so head over heels for Citlali now, and were for Firefly in the past? We can say some obvious things like fanservice, but on a technical, writing perspective, how do you do a good fanservice?
>>4354821A character merely being abrasive doesn't mean it will automatically be appealing to people who are tired of the friendly types. If they just seem like some atheist dude you know irl who thinks he is so intellectual and amazing, the character will be shit. Some characters can act mostly cordial and polite, but still not be goody two shoes because they do questionable shit or are insane, like Ruan Mei.Moreover many people are tired of asshole and brooding men because in media in general these characters are usually male, since a woman who says even 1 small negative thing will be called an evil bitch and hated by the fans. Even Ei gets way more hatred than Sunday, but thankfully hoyo doesn't give a fuck about retard americans and add plenty morally grey women in hsr.
>>4354823Is Citlali popular in yuri? I haven't been seeing much art and most posts are just complaining about the way hoyo is marketing her (and apparently even adding different reactions depending on the traveler's gender in-game).Personally I don't like how Firefly was written and don't think it was even good as romance, but I'll keep it to myself.The one character that many yuri fans seem to enjoy is Jeht, despite being an NPC.
>>4354722>Could flaws in the story be due to constraints of the format and structure?>No! It's those inferior easterns who can't write!This is what you sound like
There might be a lack of nuance too. Lots of people at Genshin fandom are a bunch of teen dumbasses whom are all 8 or 80 and can't understand shit if it isn't that clear.For example, at least to me, Ei felt like a grief-stricken woman. Her Sakoku wasn't some evil plan to punish Inazumans, it was a fearful leader whom made her country recluse to protect it.Character-wise Ei is the best leader in Genshin by far, not in the sense she's a good ruler, but all others are too perfect, and it has to be so or else the idiots at the fandom will think they are worse than Hitler or something
>>4354830I get it now, and it wasn't my assumption. My hypothesis was that eastern storytelling conventions doesn't work as well for stories with clear beginning, middle and end as western ones. Also, wouldn't the very conventions you choose be also about format and structure?Also, I don't think western storytelling is always superior either. Try writing One Piece or a xianxia with it. It wouldn't work.
>>4354829Not in yuri in specific, but as a fanservice char.AS for Firefly, I liked her first appearance, there was this mysterious about why she was hiding, why she wanted to know the Watchmaker's secret, etc... that part I liked.Then she died, then she was actually Sam, then I cared less for her. Firefly was more interesting for me when she was this "Penacony Illegal Alien" than as a Stellaron Hunter.
>>4354828Plenty is a stretch. I can't even name 5 morally grey women in Star Rail. Why are you getting so philosophical with me anyway?
>>4354831>teen dumbasses>8 or 80Pot calling the kettle black I see
>>4354840I didn't get it, complaining about teen dumbasses whom can't understand nuance makes me one too?the 8 or 80 is a common brazilian idiom for always taking extreme sides of an approach in a false dicothomy. Although It's not used outside Brazil, but I believe it's meaning was clear through context.
>>4354846Vi que era BR logo que vi a expressão. É nóis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1AN0S5X2oI>I know your girlfriend just died, but check out these sick flips
I haven't played the story yet but is 5.3 the Capitano show like HSR 2.7 was the Sunday show?
I've always wondered why the wrote Mavuika the why they did. I'm not talking about if her character is good or bad. She just feels off when compared to the other archons and the people who hold visions of their element. Pyro vision holders always felt like rebels that went against the norm. Arle raising the children different from how Mother raised them and being of a now ancient bloodline. Hu Tao being a weird funeral director that scares people and interacts with the dead. Xinyan being a rocker. Dehya being the opposite of your traditional merc. Diluc being more serious and orderly compared to the freedom loving people of his nation. Yoi and Klee loving fireworks and explosions. Mavuika just doesn't feel like she reflects any of their against the norm traits that archons tend to share. I guess her being the only archon human is supposed to be what connects them? To me that's kinda lame, since that's less of a reflection of her and more just part of Natlan tradition.
>>4354930she spent hundreds of years enacting a plan that might not even work and dealing with all the stress of holding into a falling nation stuck in conflict while still being internally human i'd be surprised if she felt normal
>>4354946Eh i still don't see it.
>>4354946Natlan really exposes the biggest issue with Genshin. Why don't nations help each other against the abyss? I get not dealing with each others personal conflicts but Natlan is fighting the same enemy as every other region. On top of that Lumine is there so you'd expect other regions to help. Genshin has always done such a good job at allowing the players to rationalize why other regions wouldn't get involved with each other's problems, but Natlan's issues are literally everyone's issues in the long run. You'd think they would've pulled a Inazuma and said something like once you enter Natlan you can't leave. Something to justify why others aren't there besides this is a Natlan story.
>>4354930>let me die to see MAYBE my plan work outI think she's one of the least normal pyros out there. Her entire plan is a revolt.
>>4354959I feel like Natlan just introduced too much at once.Every nation before it is very....grounded, except for the whole Irimsul world tree thing I guess. In Naltan we're suddenly dealing with all these gods, souls and random conceptual shit, it doesnt even feel like the same story .
>>4354890Durandal is lowkey autistic and I say this super seriously
>>4354890is hi3 ever going to come out for consoles?
>>4355004I don't think they have any plan for it
>>4355004The game is kind of mess and a relic of it's time. Porting it would be a nightmare
>>4354959>>4354959Natlan felt like an apocalypse compared to every other nation and its weird to get something like it in the middle of a story and not the dramatic climax where the abyss is threatening the entire world and this is happening everywhere. Its like the copout in final fantasy XIV where the end times are localized in like 3 areas
>>4354974>I feel like Natlan just introduced too much at once.It's even more jarring because we knew next to nothing about Natlan going in. So not only were a lot of people hit with whiplash when the vaguely described pyro "nation of war" turned out to be a direct to DVD crossover between the lion king and pokemon, but there was very little attempt to ramp up into the themes. And Irminsul was a little out of left field but at the same time, this game had been creating an association between ley line shit and trees since day 1 so it at least felt consistent.
>>4355142>>4355143It hurts
>>4354974You could argue the Hu Tao character quest foreshadowed this.. A LONG LONG time ago.
>>4355167Thank you. It just feels weird. If the abyss was just in Natlan and the other regions weren't aware of it and just saw Natlan as just some war raging nation that would be one thing. Every nation has stories of how the abyss took someone from them. It's just weird that only Natlan is dealing with them here. What I liked about the other regions was how the AQ felt like they dealt with solely that nation. Why would Liyue interfere with the decree of Inazuma's shogun. Why would Fontaine stop Sumeru's akademiya from creating a god. The abyss is all of Teyvat's enemy. I feel like they just didn't know what to do with Natlan's story. Same with the Harbingers. It feels like the Harbingers are all over the place character wise. The hype they had in that trailer is all but gone now.
>>4355168They should've called Natlan the nation of culture. Calling it the nation of war makes little sense when they value culture and their people over war. Calling Natlan the nation of war is like calling Inazuma the nation of civil war during its AQ.
>>4354919No, he only shows up at the very ending. Half of the update is parties and banquets.>>4354959Ei would have so much fun if they allowed her to join the war agains the abyss.
>>4355214I agree some of that stuff were hinted or dripped before, but Natlan still felt like too much at once.
>>4354930>>4355168>>4355260I wonder if the rumor going around that Natlan was rewriten several times holds any kernel of truth. Would explain why they were so secretive with it in the first place.
>>4355338Also maybe that's why Mavuika isn't the aggressive and bloodthristy warrioress we thought she would be especially since most were going by Venti's CBT line. As for Natlan itself, I was expecting medievalized Eastern Ukraine aka stalemate which simply highlighted the blood-drenched insanity of it all and not a mash-up of at least 5 cultures which had zero contact with each with a dash of Pokemon and 90's Americana.
>>4355340>I was expecting medievalized Eastern UkraineBefore 1.0 it was known that Natlan was going to be precolumbian America.
>>4355338The problem is every arc gets accused of being rewritten
>>4355341I meant in terms of combat intensity. There a reason the phrase stalemate that is a blood-drenched insanity is there.
>>4355349Are you pretending that eastern Ukraine (idk what the fuck has happened here) was the only medieval/classical civilization worshipping Khorne?What about the aztec human sacrifices?
All other version of the stream had Swan say something like "some memories are better left unexplored". But the original chinese version was this. English version also degayed the text in the Jade event
>>4355338It must've been. It's the only region that doesn't follow the usual pattern of the archons beliefs being a theme through the story. Venti believes in freedom, and in the Mondstadt story we see his good friend Dvalin lose his free will. Zhongli in the god of contracts, and Liyue's story is basically about him tiring of his contract to forever protect and be the archon of Liyue. In Inazuma Ei, the archon of eternity, uses her power to prevent progress in Inazuma and keep things forever how she wants it. We see how the akademiya twist the wisdom given to them by their archon, which leads them to locking up Nahida and believing they are smart enough to create their own god. Focalor is the god of judgement, and the whole Fontaine story is her and Furina trying to save their people from being judged and punished by the gods. Natlan is the only region where the theme of the archon exists because of the story rather than the other way around. Mavuika isn't the archon of war and that's why there's war in Natlan. No instead there's war in Natlan and because of that she's just the archon of war. There's no internal thirst for battle. No learning that having war has caused much pain to her people. And again just like with Arle Harbingers being allies right off the back just makes them and the Fatui feel lame. Honest question is anyone else less interested in the Harbingers after one of the strongest ones was written like a heroic icon in Natlan?
Every March event is just her and Stelle going on a date
>>4355442It really is funny how many filler events are "March and TB go do something together at an event" TB never does anything with anyone else outside of main/side stories so far
>>4355436>"some memories are better left unexplored"tbf you can almost take this to say they had intense sex, but yeah that's cope.
>>4355448Even in Stelle getting her room it's March that's always there. The cutscenes between each person's chore duty is also just March and Stelle sharing a single brain cell
>>4353610>>4353611They sure do love trailers where hot women touch Stelle
>>4355437Mavuika feels like a repeat of Feixiao to meBadass woman here to take care of business but when the job's done...what is left of her character?
>>4355459I wish she was a warmonger who had ro learn that her love for battle is hurting her nation. Imagine if instead of warriors being revived it turned out Mavuika was actually sacrificing warriors under the guise of them being heroes in order to keep the abyss at bay. She made a deal with them that she'd give them the lives of her soldiers if they spare the rest of the people. This can be because she wasn't string enough to stop their first attack and now believes losing some is better than losing all of Natlan. It isn't until seeing the Traveler and the others fight that she regains her fighting spirit and decides to stop sacrificing her people and fight with them. Hoyo risks running the issue they have with Feixiao, Jingliu, and Ei with Mavuika. After the story what's left to for her to do? Her whole character was saving Natlan and that's it.
Whatever they do with Mavuika, it could always be worse. They could turn her into a waitress.
>>4355459Both of them even have the same JP VA
>>4355589At least she'd potentially be waiting on hot girls
>>4355461>>4354959The thing to remember is how heavily rooted in the real world stereotypes Natlan is. Cultures living tribal lives but still somewhat modern, heavy in tradition but not in the same reverence for elders like Liyue does, split off from other nations and constantly under attack by outside forces, underestimated by other nations (Citlali's quest is literally prompted by a guy who can't believe the backwards people of Natlan could make a color hundreds of years before he did). Their version of a protector god is a human chosen through battle who is more or less a chief; instead of proper worship of the divine they have rituals to their wayobs. Instead of cities they live in small tribes among untamed nature. etc. Do they really have it worse than us? Or are they just inferior and can't handle the Abyss like other nations do regularly. Now, all of that aside, try justifying to your troops that they get to die for another nation while that nation's people get to come back from life. Why not leave it up to them
>>4355742The last part doesn't male much sense when your people are already dying to the abyss. The abyss isn't a Natlan only issue anon. I completely disagree with this take. What you're saying is the other nation's are basically thinking let the Natlan people keep dying until the full might of the abyss becomes out problem, which makes 0 sense.
>>4355788I dont fully agree with the other anon but what you're saying here very much has real life precedents. WW2 is a perfect example of countries not wanting to deal with the Axis until war came literally knocking on their doors
>>4355788Natlan was handling the abyss well for 500 years. The other nations had no reason to believe it would suddenly get out of control, and much less predict when it would happen. I forgot how many days the huge invasion lasted (I think a couple of days?), but there was no time to ask the other nations for help, and it would take even longer for them to actually send someone.
Can a HI3 sis help me out? What happened to the chronicles/side stories? And to Sakura Samsara? Came back to the game recently and have no idea where they are
>>4355945Attack -> Start -> Open World -> switch map to SamsaraAttack -> Start -> Voyage Log -> ‘Go to Chronicles’ in the top right corner
>>4356007Thanks sis
>>4355871There was time for multiple banquets and a hot spring trip anon.
>>4355788>the full might of the abyss becomes out problemThis sort of takes for granted a lot of things: the knowledge of how bad it is there, the other threats nations have, and everything happening outside of Natlan. The Fatui are essentially a criminal organization embedded in every nation that need to be actively fought.The Abyss Order constantly drops in wherever they feel like it regardless of how it's going in Natlan.Even outside the Order, powerful abyss creatures aren't stuck to Natlan - the golden wolflord is being cautious by choosing Tsurumi Island because there's no people, not because it couldn't simply drop into LiyueHell, all of the smaller islands in Inazuma have existential issues.Fontaine has its own abyssal creatures spawning from the remnants of Elynas that it hasn't taken care of.Sumeru had to deal with growing Withering areas on top of the desert issuesLiyue has the Chasm to manage, its own threat from the abyss that's much closer.Mondstadt is the only one who we could arguably see send a fighting force out in the past. But conveniently right before the story they took like 3/4 of them to go off somewhere else they considered more important.
>>4356055You said a whole lot of nothing here.
I always forget how tiny Sparkle is. It's also funny how Stelle being such a dumb trash gremlin makes even Sparkle stare in bewilderment
It's crazy how popular Citlali is in JP. I'm starting to think she's carrying Mavuika, which is crazy that an archon needs that. The motorcycle must've turned a lot of people off. I feel like such a modern motorcycle design doesn't even fit in Star Rail either. It feels more like a ZZZ thing.
>>4355589Seriously, who thought it was a good idea to make Shenhe of all women into a waitress? She should be something like the sledgehammer of the Qixing or travelling with Lumine, not working in the service industry!
>>4356514As you said it's too modern and sleek. If it looked like the khaenri'ah machines, I'd imagine a lot less people would mind....
>>4355459As divisive as Ei's writing is, to the point there still are daily arguments going on 3,5 years later, they at least gave us yuri to work with. Admittedly, she would've had even more yuri options to choose from had she been properly utilized.
>>4356514Tbf, Granny is the closest thing to a proper, fledged-out character Natlan has.
>>4356534Inb4 ZZZ Himeko is an Amazonian that would've felt right at home in Natlan.
>>4356569Granny is basically Firefly but in Genshin. The only difference is she's more boring and has less of a reason to be into Traveler. Jeht is how you write a story where a woman falls for Lumine
>>4356597Using Jeht feels like cheating honestly. Up until Furina, she was by far the best written woman in Genshin.
>>4356599I'm counting Furina. Furina is great but her writing in the AQ in Fontaine was mid. I thought Fontaine as a whole was mid outside of Navia. Furina only got better in her own story quest.
>>4356654I kind liked the idea of Furina and the plan Focalors cooked upI just think it's really stupid that it all turned out to be a magical whale causing the flood....just kill the damn thing
>>4356514I'm not seeing it. Pretty sure Mavuika is doing twice her numbers.
>>4354725>>4354798Based Step-Sisters
>>4355260They're called the nation of war 'cause they've been fighting a war with the abyss for millennia, far longer than Inazuma dealing with its civil issues.Of course that raises the issue of where that leaves it now that the war IS over. I kind of hoped that would get explored in subsequent patches prior to Sheznaya, but Mavuika's comments seemed to just say, "Don't worry about it," while setting up the Doctor's latest mad science plot as the interlude instead.Kinda lame ngl
>>4356701I doubt this
>>4356716You missed the point of my post.
>>4356664What was stupid to me was having (not)Jingliu easily defeat it. I don't know why people are hyped up for Skirk. She looks like she'll be just like Jingliu. She'll show up, do some stuff, and then be quickly forgotten by Hoyo because her character won't work anywhere else besides her AQ story. Jingliu clones are destined to be forgotten by Hoyo.
>>4356514Sister... there are modern day phones, cars, tvs, appliances, etc on Star rail. There's 0 (zero) problems with a motorcycle.>>4356534That ruin robot is female?
>>4356842I genuinely don't remember a single modern car in Star rail, I could be mistaken, thoughPenacony does have car, but they're flying car, which is a lot more futuristic. Belobog does have a monorail, but that's no car either. And the luofu have plant grown flying ships, but that's not a car at all
>>4356842Star rail is a scifi game, genshin is high fantasy
War is just a stupid thing to theme Natlan around within the context of the rest of the nations. Freedom, contracts, eternity, wisdom, justice, and love are all much more abstract. Could have made it the nation of harmony or something considering how much they emphasize bringing a bunch of diverse tribes together with the heroes.
>>4356851Belobog vehicles are 80/90s style, there are cars, I haven't seen bikes but if they exist they would also be past century style. But I don't see a problem with a bike like Mavuika's one either.>>4356853What a weird high fantasy setting, there are robots since day one, besides cameras, electric guitars, power plants, industrial plastic, etc
>>4356909>But I don't see a problem with a bike like Mavuika's one either.As long as its placed well, maybe it wouldn't be that weird to see in Penacony, but not in Xianzhou craftworlds, for example. Natlan problem is that people still live in huts made of stone and wood along dinosaurs but at the same time they have these modern tech devices. That, or Xilonen is actually something special, she's the one that made almost all of that.
>>4356842Nah the problem is Star Rail has futuristic vehicles. You don't see tesla's roaming around Star Rail. Even the other gadgets you do see all look like exaggerated versions of gadgets we have irl. The only exception being cellphones, and even that doesn't play into the actual story or game. Star Rail would have some exaggerated version of a motorcycle. Actually I think Penacony has those
>>4356909Star Rail having a modern bike would stick out as well. Not as much as in Genshin but it would definitely feel out of place
>>4356883It should've been the nation of culture. They have such high value in honoring their ancestors and continuing on their people's traditions. The tournament is a traditional thing, the heroes gain their power from the ancestors, and their ability to revive is deeply ingrained in their culture and is something the people of Natlan alone can do. Natlan is the only nation called what they are because of circumstances. We see in other nations it's people genuinely hold the beliefs their nation is named for. In Natlan war isn't treated like something the people hold any value in, which makes calling it the Nation of War weird. They are more the nation at war.
>>4356957What sucks is the game could've used that as a way to shock players. Have each nation keep hyping up how harsh Natlan is. That it's a nation of war that no one dares go to. Have Lumine worried to meet Mavuika in the future. Then when that time comes we find out Natlan isn't anything like we were told. That they are people who are kind and doing everything they can to survive. They don't even view themselves as a nation of war and hate the fact that's how other nations view them.
For all the talks about bikes and Mavuika i just want to say i can accept she has a bike in Natlan more than I can accept that some human was strong enough to be accepted by Celestia to become the first pyro archon. Has Natlan just always had Mary Sues and Gary Stus since it's reaction?
>>4356883>>4356883>>4356957>>4356960Considering up until its reveal we all thought Natlan was going to be Khorne's realm but Mesoamerican, it was a suprise to the least seeing basically tropical Pokemon paradise.
>>4357163Let's hope that the 5.4 event finally gives us Eimikosara crumbs. Or at least Ei and Sara actually interact.
>>4356832>>4356957I just think your point sucks.
>>4357170Well sorry you're too stupid then
>>4357207We need some abyss queen Lumine yuri
Are these literally fucking lily flowers? Mihoyo wont fuck us after doing this right
Okay, I get people being a bit mixed on Citlali's blatant crush on Lumine, out-of-nowhere as it is, but I think it's really cute, especially after doing her quest and getting pretty invested in her relationship with Huitzilin. Maybe just the LWA fan in me, but the whole "Stoic Prodigy x Relentless Rival" angle tickles my brain just right. Then Lumine even pointing out an "unresolved tension" after hearing about their history, and the end of the domain drawing a parallel between their past relationship and her blooming one with Lumine subsequently sells me on that ship.And then there's the cutscene! Shame it's presently missing Lumine's voiceline in English.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7phV3A50U0A
>>4357328People are more mixed on Citlali because Hoyo goes out of their way to say it's Aether she likes more
>>4357489Aether was always the one used in promotionnal material for genshin as the canon traveller, it has no bearing in the story, the blush shit was even proved fake
>>4357489If you're talking about that, "her expression is slightly different with Aether in one instance, she totally likes him more!!" thing, it's such a nigh-unnoticeable detail (seriously I'm not convinced people aren't hallucinating), I think you'd have to be actually demented to think it means anything.
>>4357257Depends on what you consider getting fucked. Its gonna be what the Epilogue of 1.4 showed, Belle is gonna be treated as the second most important to both of them. I expect a lot more emphasis on both of them with Belle than with eachother, simply because ZZZ was bleeding before Miyabi and they will try to cater to the normalfag audience right now.
>>4357678>Belle is gonna be treated as the second most important to both of them. I expect a lot more emphasis on both of them with Belle than with eachotherThe other edge of that sword is, self-inserters and most normalfags are going to use that to fuel their harem fantasies with Wise because apparently they all forgot Belle is also a playable optionBut that's just the doomer speaking within me
>>4357675I'm not talking about that.
>>4357563I meant more about her having a plushie of Aether and Paimon instead of Aether and Lumine to make it fair. It makes it feel more bias to just Aether, which makes it hard to ship her with Lumine. I mean it's not like Hoyo doesn't use both MCs in their trailers. I don't know why Genshin is the only one where the female MC gets screwed. I'm not doom posting or anything. Personally I don't care for her anyway and I never had any intentions to roll for her. I'm just stating more what I've seen online and how it's weird Hoyo only sticks to one MC just in Genshin.
>>4357693In theory, it really shouldnt matter. It's like someone saying they like Raiden x Itto or something stupid, most people should just laugh that off as ridiculous and stupid.
>>4357711Yeah well, that is, unfortunately, stupendously old news.Though since we're bitching about this long standing bullshit anyway, I really wish they'd at least upload both versions of cutscenes to the Youtube account. It's such crap that it's only ever the Aether ones. It's not like with the anime short where they would have had to do the entire production twice, the assets are already there in the game, they just don't publish them for no fucking reason.
>>4357777The last few ZZZ officially uploaded were Belle’sOr at least the ones I saw were (funeral, Caesar sacrifice, etc)
This is a cute image >>4357782Belle feels like the favored ZZZ MC
>>4357802>>4357782I heard that even in the cosplay event they only showed Belle's cosplayer there with the other cosplayer agents.
>>4357805What was the name of the con?
>>4357693I don't see how thats the other edge of anything, why should you care what fantasies other people are having? They're gonna imagine whatever they want, just like we do.The only real downside is that there likely won't be as much AstraxEvelyn material.
>>4357816You can see their official site on twitter, though.
full v1.5 art has them together at the bottom
>>4357802Mavuika's Story Quest has some nice moments of them teasing each other.
Genshin yuri >>> ZZZ yuri > dogshit > HSR yuri
>>4357967>Genshin Yuri>Lmao
>>4357968What used to get pandering in Genshin is better than what's in HSR atleast
>>4357967Stellefly is better than everything Genshin ever did, though
Holy shit, I wasn't expecting this to go so hard from the get-goThe chapter just started
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>>4357967Star Rail has better yuri than ZZZ.
>>4358013>>4358014>>4358015I'm so glad I came back to HI3
>>4357777Anon Aether is Hoyo's favored MC. Deal with it and move on.
>>4358050Jane Doe's left pinkie is gayer than all of HSR.
>>4358084Yet unlike 90% of Star Rail ladies she's ship mainly with a guy
>>4358084Let's be honest with ourselves. If we're not counting HI3 it's either Star Rail is Hoyo's 2nd gayest game for Firefly x Stelle alone. Jane has some nice moments but it felt more like her flirtatious personality being shown off rather than much else. She's barely shipped with any female that matters besides a handful of art with Zhu Yuan. Genshin has Jeht and those two research ladies in Inazuma. ZZZ mostly also has npc ladies. Star Rail is the only one of the 3 that makes it pretty clear Firefly is into Stelle. Then there's also Bronya and Seele.
>>4358119I love yuri
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>>4358121I love them so much
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>>4358119I miss honkai….
>>4358136Come back, sis
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>>4358141I cantAPHO disappointed meIce herscher story bored meAnd the part 1 final battle ending gimmick (which I only heard about) made sure I'm staying away
it's insane how only 10% of the nearly 200k fics of genshin are only yuri related really thought there would be a lot more
>>4358184People overestimate the yuri presence in a lot of media. They just think there's a lot of it cause they interact in those circles. When you actually look at the numbers, het and yaoi usually win out by a large margin. Hopefully yuri gets more and more popular
>>4358117To be perfectly honest, much as I love it and seeing that Stellefly is equally if not more popular in the fandom as the alternative, it is still a "Choose Your Gender" MC ship, which does dock it some points in my books if we're talking overarching gayness.But I do agree that Star Rail does lead in that department thanks to other ships, like its version of BronSeele. But frankly I think it'd be remiss to say the big point in its favor is anything other than Rondo Across Countless Kalpas. Probably the most homoerotic thing Hoyo's ever done.
>>4358184Yaoi fans dominate all of the Hoyo games. March and Stelle have a lot of fanfics but it's nothing compared to Caelus and Dan.
>>4358195You mean the thing where it looked like one woman was attacking the other? The fact that that is the gayness thing Hoyo has done is kinda sad.
>>4358007Stellefly was a product of playersexual shill - it's also pretty forced IMO. Obviously not knocking people who like it but it's like how Genshin yuri has Aether looming over it in the background.Bronya/Seele and the gay ass Acheron trailer kind of stand in my mind as the "gayest" things Hoyo has done recently. But HSR Bronya/Seele is nothing compared to its other iterations, a downgrade if anything.
>>4358229>Bronya/Seele and the gay ass Acheron trailer kind of stand in my mind as the "gayest" things Hoyo has done recentlyHow is the Jane doe trailer not far gayer than both of those? Also Songlema in HI3 is league gayer in their interaction than HSR sad copy of Bronseele
>>4358232Oh you're probably right, I just don't play ZZZ to know much about its yuri
>>4358229Bronya/Seele is far from the gayest thing Hoyo has done if we're going just off of Star Rail. Also saying StelleFly is forced while praising that shit Acheron trailer that went nowhere is hilarious
>>4358229Why are you thinking of guys when you see a good yuri ship? Nothing is looming over Lumine ships
>>4358232Jane loses points because it's meant for fanservice. In game she doesn't show nearly as much physical attraction to women and is far less touchy with them. It also doesn't help that she's doing it because it's her job and that's her form of interrogation. Don't get me wrong I still like the scenes but it feels more for the sake of fanservice than yuri.
>>4358229Nothing is more forced in HSR than anything involving Acheron. It doesn't help that Black Swan becomes so much more interesting when she's not around her
>>4358245>Black Swan becomes so much more interesting when she's not around herBlack Swan hasn't done a single thing of note in the entire story
kinda sucks that ZZZ looked so promising for yuri only to give a twitch every now and then, not only because there's a feMC choice but also because she has an actual personality
>>4358247That's unfortunately because she's forced to be around a character that has very little reason to exist in HSR besides players recognizing her from Hoyo's other game
>>4358249All Hoyo MCs usually have some personality but not a whole lot.
>>4358241Yeah their complaint is definitely a weird one. I get thinking a ship is forced but why would you not like a ship simply because Aether/Caelus exists.
>>4358254I've said it before, Acheron's an end-game character whose yet to play her real part in the story. They learned their mistakes from Ei and treat her more like Mei.
>>4358117>Firefly is into StelleSo why there are yuri people hate firefly?
>>4358196And Wise's most popular ship is Lycaon.
>>4358240How is Acheron trailer forced? It's deliberately deceptive with what's ingame at most.>>4358245Black Swan is boring as fuck, with or without Acheron. Let's not kid ourselves.>>4358269Same reason people hate Citali. Majority of promo is with Caelus.
Finally got to play sigewinne's story. I wish she got to spend more time with her friend. They were cute together
>>4358273It's forced because it sets up stuff that never happened. Also I'm not just saying her trailer. I'm saying her as a character
>>4358275It played 0 purpose to the main story. Hell besides helping against Aventurine at the last second you could remove her from the story and it'd play out basically the same.
>>4358269Firefly still doesn't have a story quest so whatever hers is, is gonna be a big one or part of the main story itself. Those people are gonna be upset all over again I bet, its so tiring.
>>4358282>he thinks those lazy devs care about retroactively putting in story quests for old characters they don't have to sell anymoreSweet summer child lol. Her only relevance coming up is in the memories TB has in Amphoreus so that's something.
>>4358282I feel like the epilogue to Penacony was like a pseudo story quest for her. It sucks Star Rail doesn't do a story quest that much
>Never deny a woman her dogwife Part 2's Chapter 7 was another exceptional story chapter following the previous. Lots of intrigue, truths coming to light, and yuri.There was so much yearning from Helia and Entropy for their respective girlfriends this chapter, really hoping everyone gets their happy ending.
>>4358249If they don't do anything with the celebrity/bodyguard trope, then even as a fan of the game, I've lost all hope. Miyabi and Zhu Yuan are good, but it's just so paper-thin in shipping material.
>>4358330what do you mean by that
>>4358197>>4358240>>4358245Go back.
A for Star Rail's most shilled yuri pairing has appeared.https://youtu.be/P-kgat5C1JY?si=NNPrunZ4yaqoQDMM
>>4358387Rival. It was supposed to say rival.
>>4358386No why don't you kiss my ass
Why's Herta on the 3.0 banner? This has to be one of the most random decisions to release her now when we're going to a new planet that will.most likely have nothing to do with her. My money is on her being part of a throwaway event quest that people will likely forget within a week or 2.
>>4358393I mainly say this because so many characters have been in random throwaway stories in Star Rail. Jingliu, Ruan Mei, Tingyun, Feixiao, Lingsha, Jade, and Sunday. Star Rail has a habit of hyping up a character is trailers, but writing them like shit in the actual story, because they didn't think about how to use them beyond wanting money from that character's banner
>>4358349Upcoming characters. Their relationship is like crack to lesbians
Seems like star rail has most of lesbian shippings than other games?
>>4358387I know very early on it was said Herta always lets Ruan Mei do whatever but I guess it’s kind nice seeing them as actually close.
>>4358411ZZZ will jump in Yuri/lesbian pairings in a year or two maybe surpass Star Rail.
>>4358411Not really.
>>4358387>there are even smaller HertasThis woman is a genius.
This is cutehttps://youtu.be/CKMllgaDnDg?si=SiBdESx_VrA2DwjN
>>4358393>>4358399She's very likely filler, they love to rehash assets (see Fugue) so she was probably easy to make while they were busy with 3.0 characters.
>>4358428That really sucks. I was hoping for more with Herta besides just a taller version of the Herta we already have. Star Rail really learnt from FGO that they can make more money from players by just slightly altering an existing character. It doesn't help that they never bother to ever do much with the idea. Fugue is just Tingyun, Dan Heng doesn't even use his alternate look, and I get this feeling that The Herta will conveniently disappear by the end of her filler story and will still communicate through the doll Hertas so that the status quo won't change.
>>4358387i kinda love her even more after seeing this, excited to get her.
>decided to skip Herta>she’s yuri nowDammit
>>4358438Is she? Never believe what trailers show you. There's a good chance we might not even see Ruan Mei in 3.0
>>4358434I'm skipping. Never liked Herta. Always found her and her voice annoying.
How was the ZZZ stream
>>4358444kururin~
>>4358505Some white lilies imagery, some cute Astra/Evelyn looking at each other shots.And also there was a scene of Astra about to give Eous a kiss but framing was kinda comedic, we'll see. Belle is the canon Eous "pilot" anyway so it's fine.Besides that there is some kind of new VN mode but I was half listening to that, might be some Belle potential there.
>>4358505The livestream seems to hint at some Belle x Astra content.
Everything for her wife... That's fucking cold
>>4358411No it's the most straight of their games desu with how it only panders to wise. With honkai impact being Yuri central
>>4358535>Belle is the canon Eous pilotGosh I'd love for that to be the case. Is there any sort of indicators for this, other than the fact that Eous resembles Belle's design way more than W*se.
>>4358543Perfect priorities.
>>4358573I mean, the agent interactions between the siblings are pretty much the same no? It's not really pandering to Wise if that's the case.
>>4358573I think you got your games mixed up. ZZZ has Wise. They said Star Rail. I do agree that StarcRail definitely doesn't have the most.
>>4358574Considering Wise is a stay at home tech support second assistant, what do you think?
>>4358576Not really, if you pick Belle, Wise is just a guy who often gets shit on by FairyBut if you pick Wise, Belle goes full 'onii-chan' on him
>>4358578If Wise is tech support if you pick Belle, wouldn't the opposite be true if you picked Wise? Is there something more concrete?
>>4358579Does she really go full onii-chan?! Or is that just your perception of it? I mean, Belle still has tons of yuri moments.
>>4358574They pick her for the official cutscenes videos instead of Wise so there. You can hear Belle's voice when she inhabits Eous.
>>4358591Honestly, that's good enough for me. Thx sis!
>>4358411Behind Honkai Impact 3. ZZZ and genshin are absolute shit holes that objectively pander more to the male MC, and the side pairings are barely there, and HSR is just a 50% of a few subtext pairings and MC couples. mihoyo has had quite the fall from grace on the yuri side of things.
>>4358505Pleasantly surprising. This is the story art for 1.5My nitpick with these are Belle/Wise are with different poses, couldn't even enjoy how majestic Evenlyn looks when I first saw the image. The hell did they do with Belle.
>>4358589That's definitely just thrur perception
>>4358620Belle absolutely goes onii-chan all the time if you play Wise.
>>4358609HSR is way less than 50%. It panders to like 3 side pairings with any romantic subtext. Even then Bronya/Seele is a pale imitation of their HI3 versions. Then Acheron and BS feels like they're just pandering to fans rather than actually caring about it in game. Herta and Ruan Mei will most likely be the same. I'm 100% sure in game we probably will barely see Ruan Mei in Herta's story.
>>4358623Yeah, I said they're just subtext, what is your argument? the other games have even less or nothing at all. It's a sad situation for devs that could have become a yuri titan, but they were chinese, so doomed to begin with. You're also forgetting a few smaller ones like pela/lynx and hanya/xuei, etc. In the end, you either go with Hi3 or accept that you're just going to work with your headcanon.
>>4358624Did you just use two sisters as an example of yuri? Anon are you ok in the head?
>>4358624Keqing/Ganyu, Shenhe/Ganyu, Beidou/Ningguang, Navia/Clorinde, Jean/Lisa, Mona/Fischl, Candace/Dehya, Ei/Miko, Ei/Sara, Sara/Kokomi, Amber/Collei, Jeht/Lumine. I'm probably even missing some. If you're gonna talk out your ass and say there's no subtext or yuri ships and the game just panders to males in Genshin at least try harder to do so.
>>4358633>Doesn't like wincestThe absolute state of /u/
>>4358640Everyone's got their own preference, but I'd really say that Eula/Amber and Collei/Sucrose have gotten more tease than Amber/Collei.
>>4358640I didn't say there's no subtext ships? Work on your reading comprehension.
>>4358633Yep, and I'd put Yukong/Tingyun there too, now that I think about it. What are you gonna do about it?
>>4358645You're first post said that in Star Rail there's subtext in comparison to ZZZ and Genshin. Did you just forget that or are you that dumb?
>>4358646Your mama
>>4358624This idiot thought he was cooking with this stupid take
>>4358647There's...more? quantitative, you know? not that there's nil for the others. Although I'm not too sure on the ZZZ side of things. From the ones you posted, stuff like Keqing/Ganyu, Sara/Kokomi are pretty much fancanon. If I were to put fan ships for HSR, the comparison would look worse, also add in the fact that Genshin has been around for 3 years longer.
All good and fun but I want more ships that actually get to be used with each other, like Herta x Ruan Mei is not good with each other.
>>4358652Anon every ship is fancanon.
>>4358656From what I've seen Herta isn't great with quite a few characters. Funnily enough the only character I've seen people say she's really good with is Herta. Why would I roll for Herta just to use her with the Herta I already have and don't use
>>4357967Posts that aged like milk
Im really suprised Ruka here didnt freak out over being pantless
>>4358682o shit my bad wrong thread
>>4358663For the sake of the doll she made to be in love with herself, obviously.
Cautiously optimisticWill see how the hang-outs go
>>4358443She's always been yuribaited with Ruan Mei the game, even before her 5*.You're right in that HSR is deceptive and they might not actually interact outside of that trailer in the game, kek.
The problem with HSR is that it likes to bait yuri more than actual develop it. Stelle/Firefly, Bronya/Seele and Lynx/Pela are the only really developed ones in the actual game. Herta/Ruan Mei don't interact much onscreen. Stuff like Acheron/BS is pure marketingbait, such a let down. Genshin kind of fell off after Sumeru with yuri if you don't include Lumine ships. And I don't know about ZZZ but I'm pretty sure they bait the girls with Wise too.
>>4358710gacha games are inherently shit at proper character development. even worse when it comes to relationships
>>4358241Because Genshin is more obvious about showing girls only with Aether. Nobody wants yuri for Lumine, even Lumine stans only want her to be fucked by the men.
>>4358712I have the complete opposite take:I dont give a shit about Genshin "official" media at all because they made choice to stick with one-protag since the beginning and I'm fine with that since I have no expectation. What actually annoys me is when HSR/ZZZ trying to flipflop back and forth.
>>4358710This is sadly true, HSR has a serious problem in the way it handles a character story, sometimes you get a character with a proper arc like Yunli or Rappa that shows enough about their character, even though Rappa had to share a good part of it with boothil, but other times you get something like Feixao or Fugue that are very shallow and most of the story actually focus on other characters, it's a mess.
>>4358716Worst offender is probably HSR for those award show ads.>>4358704Even the 1.5 PV was promising. Please don't fuck this up Hoyo (huge cope).
>>4358574They're always use Belle even when they're showing their new update.
>>4358576This is true, the only difference is same sex is not legal to marry each other.
>>4358585Belle just knows how to interact people more than Wise.
>>4358704So Wise always stays on his computer.
ANUS PEEK
>>4358704Hold on Belle's hand are at a pretty interesting spot. Either she moved as soon as they got up or Belle's hands were on her butt as she was sitting
>>4358710Unfortunately as long as people keep buying into the bait they won't stop. Look how the ones they actually develop don't get half as much trailers or light cones as the ones they bait for marketing. I'm hoping the new planet gives us something
>>4358711R1999 just released one of the gayest characters to date with Anjo Nala, who just so happens to be voiced by Kokomi and Burnice's VA.
>>4358720I don't think 5 people can name you a single scene in the Rappa story.
>>4358886What? Some of the stuff she did on Penacony was really weird and stupidBut her backstory of being experimented on, being attached to the ninja manga as a result of that, and then finally escaping thanks to that one doctor's help wasnt all that hard to remember.
>>4358891I'm gonna agree with the other anon. Rappa was so boring
Not to be all, "You can't critique the game!" or whatever, but legitimately, why play a game you don't like even like, predicated on the presence of fictional lesbians, just to go on 4chan to complain about the lack of fictional lesbians in the game you don't even like either way?
>>4358704I like how they made it look like wise sitting in a cuck chair unironically. Hilarious.
Citlali's background with Huitzilin is great. Citlali's characterization in the scene where Huitzilin is old and near death and Citlali is outwardly impassive while trying to nudge Huitzilin into challenging her again was a really well done way of showing how much Huitzilin meant to her. It kind of reminded me of Arlecchino and Clervie's last conversation where Arle wasn't outwardly emotional but you could still tell how much she cared about Clervie. Wish they had some fanart.
Oh and it's cute how Citlali brought up Pretty Please, Kitsune Guuji in her quest and actually has a copy of it in her house. There's only three unique novels sitting around her place and the eimiko yuri is one of them.
>>4358910It's weird to assume someone doesn't like a game just because they complain about a specific thing in the game. Can people not criticize things now?
>>4359000All her fanart is with Aether unfortunately. Blame Hoyo on that.
>>4359021You're preaching to the choir. If I was rich I'd break the bank commissioning a deluge of Citlali yuri
>>4359062I know i'd personally be dangerous with a lot of money because i'd straight up just commission anime studio quality animations of yuri pairings i like.
>>4359101It's crazy that with all the millionaires in the world not one of them is a yuri fan that has done this already
>>4358710I actually think that's fine, but I personally like the games because I prefer to have imagination fuel for yuri ships where there's lots of room for fan interpretation in art. It's nice to have some serial media with fun yuri ships to ship, if I want an actual romance with a ship at the center I'll just play an actual VN instead.
>>4359005i wish we could go back to eimko days....not just for the yuribut genshin as a whole, and the community, were still exicting back then, and things were still novel.
>>4359111There are so many millionaires its crazy we dont get more stuff made because of millionaires sponsors for studios.i 100% would spend my wealtth to various studios to make media i would likeIts kinda crazy we dont see more stuff like that.What do they do with all the money just buy houses ? lame
>>4359289No they were not. Ei bad so much unnecessary backlash for both her design and not working with Beidou. Then there was the whole Kokomi crit situation.
>>4359292I would spend so much on Gushing Over Magical Girls OVAs.
new trailer is out and its caelus....and he's on the thumbnailbut the stelle trailer had the elysia-expy on the thumbnail...
>>4359323They gotta pander to to yaoi fans now.
>>4359323>>4359332>Implying>When caelus lost his bat to not!KevinStelle still had a better trailer. Though I'm not looking forward to the asspain about caelus getting "bad treatment"
>>4359323I am glad they used him for this gay ass trailer. Especially since that means next one will feature Stelle cause they alternate MCs all the time.If anyone still doubts that Stelle is meant to be the preferred MC after everything (not even talking about new content) it's on them. But the lowest common denominator teens who pick Caelus have no awareness anyway.
>>4359348>Stole his batLol
>>4359323If you actually look at the trailer, you'd be insane to actually want Stelle on this trailer, jesus. So far for the 3.0 region, I can only give thumbs up for the HSR trailers.
>>4359323Yeah I agree with everyone, the trailer just made Caelus look bad.
>good newsThe Herta/Ruan Mei is getting lots of fanart>bad newsThe Herta is getting overshadowed by teasers for new characters and will likely play an extremely minimal role in this new story arc
>>4359492I bet she'll play next to none. None of her trailers connects to the new planet at all. Hoyo just wanted to make more money off a banner like with Tingyun
>>4359492Star Rail's marketing right now is kinda weird. They're marketing Herta a lot but not with the new planet. Their marketing the new planet but not Aglaea, the first character banner for the new planet. It's very confusing
>>4359588They're marketing the entire new planet story, and neither of those are important part of it
>made the mistake of going to the /vg/ thread because I needed help with something lore related >It's nothing but cuckposts, seething, gender wars, and tribalism between gamesMaybe /u/ can help me here, I'm trying to understand some lore stuff. So is penacony completely in IPC control after what Robin's brother did and don't they still have to worry about the stellaron stuff. Also what in the hell are doing with the SH, I don't think Kafka has shown up in two years, ack is MIA, and FF despite all the shilling she got at the start of 2.0 and 2.2 is completely absent past that
>>4359595The stellaron was sealed off screen by the Astral express, like they do at the end of every arc. The SH are MIA, and there's no indication as to what they're doing. And, no Penacony isn't completely under the control of the IPC, but they no have shares of it, but so do the Astral Express
>>4359590That's what I was saying
>>4359595>So is penacony completely in IPC control after what Robin's brother didNot complete control. They're major shareholders but not (yet) majority shareholders. That balance is part of why Himeko got those 5%.>and don't they still have to worry about the stellaron stuff.There is a single line about how it got sealed after Sunday was defeated. Sadly kinda brushed off.>Also what in the hell are doing with the SHWouldn't we all love to know? Optimistically, every planet gets some SH screentime. But who knows.I'm still holding out hope Kafka will come back for Nihility MC.
>>4359660>There is a single line about how it got sealed after Sunday was defeated. Sadly kinda brushed off.The stellaron are just plot device to create event in the world we visit. It's the third time that a stellaron is getting sealed off-screen, I don't expect anything anymore
>>4359661>It's the third timeBelobog used them so well, I didn't really care the sealing itself was off-screen. The next two were the letdown for me.
>>4357967I'm gonna have to agree with this solely for the fact that Star Rail's yuri is more bait and Hoyo is too scared to commit in game. That and most of the yuri feels extremely forced. I know people bring up Firefly but let's not act like Bronya/Seele's relationship doesn't suck in Star Rail and exist solely because of their relationship in HI3. Acheron/BS bait really serves no purpose. Not only does it go nowhere in game both characters are so underdeveloped it feels like that's the only part of their characters people still cling to. Same with Himeko and Kafka. After all this time Himeko has been such a disappointment in HSR. She adds very little to each story, has not grown as a character, and feels like she's just there to connect HSR to HI3 sometimes. It's gotten to the point where the Kafka ship is the only reason why some people of the fandom even still talk about her. Ruan Mei and Herta suffer from similar issues. Herta hasn't grown as a character to justify us needing another version of her. Ruan Mei also hasn't really grown as a character for me to care to ship her with Herta. Compare these characters with how Hoyo is writing the ZZZ characters and you can see the improvement. HSR is decent at telling stories but bad a making most of the characters really leave a mark on the player and developing many of their characters. It's why the ZZZ ships and Genshin ships are far better to me.
>>4359289I wonder sometimes how Genshin would've been as whole if had nailed the Inazuma AQ and not fuck up the 1st anni.
>>4359321TBF booba sword was the only reason people ended accepting Ei's design.
>>4359321I mean tbf Ei's outfit is pretty ugly. I wish Gacha devs learned some actual fashion
they better not screw this up
What's more gay, the implication Miyabi was in a compromising position with Belle or that Nicole gave her mouth to mouth
>>4359755I mean it's not as ugly as Nicole's skin in ZZZ
>>4359768Both but more so the former
>>4359734Genshin is fine. My main concern is with Hoyo getting beaten every month by the husbando game Love and Keeps Deepspace will they start to give male characters more prominent roles. The male characters have been features heavily in the next planet in HSR. I hope they don't take up all the attention.
>>4359778Oh yeah that shit is awful, and it's gonna be paid lol
>>4359760I feel like they will somehow. Idk it's some nagging feeling
>>4359760With that group pic of astra and wise, i bet they will.
>>4359760I'll play ZZZ if they don't, but I just don't trust Mihoyo marketing enough to do it now.>>4359732Yeah, precisely. I do like Ruan Mei and Herta's relationship though, especially after the recent marketing because it's proof that they actually care about each other outside of work/story related stuff and that's actually pretty rare. But the majority of HSR yuri are just so mediocre because they have no presence in game. It' s fine to ship for no reason or for shallow reasons like 'they're hot' but when you compare it to something like Eimiko where their relationship played a pivotal point in the arc's conclusion, it feels like dogwater. HSR really doesn't try.>Himeko x KafkaThis isn't even bait, this is crack. Very popular crack. Kafka/Stelle is the more relevant Kafka ship but it kinda got mogged by Firefly/Stelle and I worry about it in the future.
I don't expect anything good to come out of space greece. I hope I am wrong.I don't want 7 patches of Kevin wankery. But if that happens, maybe caelusfags would fuck off forever, Small mercies.
>>4359910Line count is out and Phainon, just in 3.0 has almost as much lines as Firefly from 2.0 to 2.3
>>4359894For me I can't really care for Herta x Ruan Mei because the game never made me care about Ruan Mei outside her ship with Herta. Who is she as a character? Why should I care about her or Herta? The game never bothers to answer these questions. It's been over a year since we've met Ruan Mei and she isn't more of a character now than she was then. Regardless of who you ship in Genshin or ZZZ at least those games make you like the characters. HSR is too quick to move onto the next banner characters.
>>4359914Shit. Hopefully he is not at the same level of pandering as she was. Even laughing at gaylus is not worth this suffering
>>4359920Ruan Mei is a genius (obviously) but she is quite detached from other people and is quite allof in her interactions. Her drugging Stelle with that truth prevention nonsence, her demeanor to the creatures she created, all point out at. From the bits and bobs of lore we got we know that she is quite enigmatic and wants to transcend mortality and become the new Aeon.She makes up a great dynamic with Herta and I want more of those two.
3.0 spoilersExpect good things if you like Firefly Stelle
>>4359964That tells us nothing about her but surface level details. For me Star Rail is too much of that. They don't flesh out some characters enough for me to care. I am glad you do anon. I wish I could feel the same but I've never been told to really feel anything for Ruan Mei. She's like Emilie in Genshin
>>4359964My issue with her and Herta is they lack a why they're doing things. Star Rail gave us hours long detailed stories for Aventurine and why he does what he does but couldn't bother spending anytime on Herta and Ruan Mei. They act the way they do because they're geniuses is as far as Hoyo was willing to go.
>>4360017Herts is driven by the joy of finding new things she doesn't know and can figure out and Ruan Mei is a control freak who gets a kick out of making designer life but is never fully satisfied with what she makes. Thats their touching point too, they're both not looking for answers they're looking for more questions. Ruan Mei likes Hertas spontanity and drive (and beauty) and Herts likes Ruan Mei's meticulousness (and beauty)We know quite a lot about both of their hobbies and character as well. They're not as unexplored as all that.
>>4359997I'm hoping that we get more March lore sometime soon. The trailer teased that we might. March is the only 4 star character I'll roll for if they get a 5 star version.
>>4360021Anon you are saying these things like I don't know this already. I play the game. I'm just saying they're underdeveloped, which is why I'm not that invested in them
>>4360029I say these things because you said there is a lack of why they do stuff, so apparently you didn't know. Because we know why and how about their motivations.
>>4360035I mean character development within the story. Not personality wise.
>>4360035Take Seele for example. She's a hothead that distrusted the overworld and protects people around her. We can see she distrusts them but we learn more why in the context of the story as things play out. That gives us a better look at her character and makes us like her more. That's something lacking with Herta and Ruan Mei. The geniuses all have been pretty one note to me.
>>4360038>She's a hothead that distrusted the overworld and protects people around her. We can see she distrusts them but we learn more why in the context of the story as things play out.Thats as one-note a description as people made for Herta and Ruan Mei too. I would actually agree that yeah Bronya and Seele did have (extremly rushed) character development in the very short slice of the Belobog story, but that explanation makes it sound more like you just like that type of character and don't like the other, since you didn't even talk about the actual development she had.And we could also talk about the development of getting Ruan Mei to start thinking a bit more about her little creations during the event, while we're grasping at straws.
>>4360041How the hell did you get that from what I said? Now you're just putting words i my mouth kid.
>>4360041Since you missed my whole point I'm saying, for good or bad, Seele's character played a role in the story. We get why she acts the way she does through the story, other characters, and the world around her. With Herta and Ruan Mei (these aren't the only two characters i feel this way about) Hoyo pretty much tells us who they are and how they act without really showing us through the larger story. You said Ruan Mei likes Herta's spontaneous nature right? I'm saying the game never tells us why, especially since she's not the only spontaneous character. Take Ceasar and Lucy in ZZZ. The game writes out a whole story for us to understand their characters and why they act the way they do. They don't just tell they also show. That's my issue with HSR. The game tells us rather than shows.
>>4360049>I'm saying the game never tells us why, especially since she's not the only spontaneous character.It actually does, Ruan Mei specifically points out that Herta's unconventional ideas make working with her interesting.I might as well say the game never tells us why Seele is a hothead either. Its narrowing it down to a truly irrelevant degree.
>>4360057It does tell us lol. She's like that because of the harsh living conditions that we literally see in the Underworld. Did you not play the game?
>>4360057>Ruan Mei specifically points out that Herta's unconventional ideas make working with her interesting.So like I said it's just tell and never show. Thanks.
>>4360029>I play the game.I'm wondering about this, because for good or ill Ruan Mei and Herta have more dialogue about eachother than most conventional pairings in HSR.
>>4360059>She's like that because of the harsh living conditions that we literally see in the UnderworldNo, it doesn't. Other people are cautious under those circumstances, it never says why she is a hothead instead. You're making a connection the game doesn't show.>>4360060We literally see them working together though. Their cooperation is a major recurring content feature....
>>4360061So it's say but don't show. Again thanks for proving my point anon
>>4360063Oh my god you're trolling at this point. I can't anymore.
>>4360028We’re supposedly getting ’dark M7’ in the latter half of 3.x; you can see her silhouette in the Amphoreus teaser released a while ago
>>4360063In all seriousness anon you're a fucking retard
>>4360066That sounds interesting
>>4360063I think anon is just being petulant at this point. There is no arguing with someone pretending the whole SU doesn't exist.
>>4360066You're talking about this image right?
>>4360065Nice argument. >she lived in a cave, thats why she's a hothead duhAstounding reasoning.
>>4360069Sorry for giving my opinion. I'll save a fuck yourself when you decide to do the same
>>4360071>gets told all they do is tell us they have a relationship but never show where it's come from>gives arguments of them just showing their relationship but not how it's formedYeah and you're the smart one here.
>>4360074Bronya and Seele formed their relationship from>oh you were in the same orphanage btwThis is really not a glasshouse to cast stones in.
>>4360075I never said it was a good example. I said at least we saw it play out and weren't just told it exists
>>4360074You didn't actually answer my question, but I accept your concession.
>>4360075What i find funny is people can crap on Acheron and BS and Firefly all they want with no issue yet the moment I do the same with a ship they like that's when some people get pissy
>>4360077I'll answer your nonexistent question when you prove me wrong. Wait you cant.
>>4360078The funny thing here is people seem to agree HSR relationships are super anemic, the BronSeele one is just being put on a pedastal and used to shit on others.
>>4360080Not this person >>4360057
>>4360076Thats a really stupid argument as you are essentially saying all relationships formed prior to the story are inherently worthless because we didn't see them begin.We know and can see why, for example Ruan Mei and Herta get along. Literally what more are you actually asking?
>>4360083No I'm saying is don't ship characters that the story doesn't take the time to explore their relationship rather than just tell us they have one. Your whole point falls flat since I used Ceasar and Lucy as an example. I guess you just skipped that part since it doesn't fit your narrative
>>4360083I literally can't tell if you're trolling or just so heated that I don't care for your ship personally at this point. I'm not sure why you're so invested in my opinion of a ship you like. I even told you that you can enjoy it all you want. I've never even bashed it and even stated I hope Hoyo develops them more.
>>4360084>that the story doesn't take the time to explore their relationshipThe story does not, actually, take time to explore Bronya and Seele's relationship either. Which has been everyone's gripe with it since Day 1. It suddenly manifests and they are soulmates from then on.>Your whole point falls flat since I used Ceasar and Lucy as an example. I guess you just skipped that part since it doesn't fit your narrativeNo it doesn't matter because a.) we are talking about HSR and b.) no one said Lucy and Caesar don't have a cute dynamic.You're the only desperate to proof something here.
>>4360087What? OK you really are a fucking retard
Seriously you try to say I don't ship people that have prior relationships and when I show an example that I don't now that example doesn't count.
>>4360086No one is really heated besides you, who feels the need to respond to posts twice for some reason.You asked a question, people gave you an answer and then you started arguing the answer doesn't count.Thats all that happened here. I don't care you don't like this ship. You could have taken the answer to your question and left it at that instead of spamming aboout it.
>>4360091I didn't even ask a question. I gave my opinion. Stop anon you're getting dumber with each post.
>>4360092>>4359920>Who is she as a character?>>4360017>My issue with her and Herta is they lack a why they're doing things.
>>4360095Someone doesn't understand rhetorical questions. Sorry I thought you were smart enough to know i wasn't actually asking you that
>>4360096Okay so basically you just wanted to make wrong claims and not be pointed out that you were wrong, got it.Sorry, but if you say wrong things on the internet, people will correct you.
>>4360099You never pointed anything out.
>>4360101>Who is she as a character>She is this>They lack why they do things>They do it because of this>Noooooooo it le heckin doesn't count and I didn't askDrink some tea imouto, you lost your marbles a bit there.
>>4360103So you're whole thing is you answered questions no on asked to prove a point no one made? Genius
>>4360103In all seriousness anon I'd respected you if you said "fuck you I ship them". This bitch fit and acting like that's not the sole reason you're doing this is sad
I don't think someone who gets so mad he constantly double posts has much reason to accuse others of a "bitchfit".
>>4360109And why not?
The problem, at its core, is that most nu-Hoyo characters feel more like cameos than characters. Even the ones that have stuck around since day 1 like Herta.Kiana, Mei and Bronya felt like actual characters in Honkai Part 1. Are they all perfectly written? Far, far from it, but they were with us throughout most of the story.
>>4360139>Are they all perfectly written?Make sure you say that this is a rhetorical questions before anon wastes time answering you
>>4360139Considering Mihoyo all-but killed Kiana/Mei, I'm fine drowning myself in the meaningless fluff. There is no point pretending any of them are better or more meaningful than others.
>>4360146Strongly consider medication. And maybe some ointment for that butthurt.
>>4360149Yeah sure I'm the one that's butthurt.
>>4360148>Mihoyo all-but killed Kiana/Mei>Litteraly the latest event releasedDon't talk about stuff you're clearly not knowledgable about.
>>4360139It really is just big cast story vs. small cast story.I would have preferred a stronger focus on the AE crew too, but Mihoyo moved away from trying to tell the story of two girls and to selling a product. And its more profitable to let fans fill out the blanks. To be fair, that does have its advantages as otherwise KafHime or RobiFly would not exist. It allows for variety. Charitably I could call it 'sparking the imagination' rather than telling a story.
>>4360162It will never be the same and no amount of noncommital pandering will make up for giving up on their love story halfway through to wank Elysia.
>>4360165Yeah, yeah, whatever you say
>>4360163I'd argue many ships would've existed regardless of filling in the blanks or not. If two characters exist people will find a way to ship them. I don't think Hoyo's writing is what sparks variety and imagination. People would write these fanfics on their own at some point anyway.
I can't say I'm unhappy with how much Mihoyo has been feeding us over the years.Other games don't go out of their way to set up ships like this, just look at any later chinese gacha. Wuwa? GFL2? Fair to say, we wouldn't have most of these ships.
>>4360179Most of the complaints about substance are blatant "my ship is better than yours" coping anyway.>Lucy CaesarHilarious
>>4360181>Lucy Caesar>HilariousIt'd be a cute ship in an alternate reality where they do anything at all with eachother.Even ZhuQing got off better.
>>4360179>Other games don't go out of their way to set up ships like thisWhen one of your biggest ship is a crackship between two characters who had exactly one line of dialogue together, not even remotely close to filtratious, you should really consider how well you're getting fed.
>>4360192That exchange of gazes had enough sapphic tension, nothing more needed to be said.
>>4360192Happy little accidents hardly disprove the point.
>>4360168Off topic but those thighs are crazy. And I haven't played HI3 but why does she give off March vibes.
>>4360179I don't understand how people can keep mentioning Chinese gacha games and using Hoyo as the prime example for yuri fans. R1999 is legit right there. Yuri? Check. Canon female lead? Check. R1999 blows Hoyo away mean it comes to writing good yuri content. This isn't a stab at Hoyo just I can't agree that they should be held as the standard
>>4360192I think there's a lot of games that do the enemies to lovers tropes ship way better. That's basically Texas and Lappland's whole thing
>>4360199At the end of the day, for most people here, the most important thing is consuming fan content. Hoyo games are popular, so they generate a lot of fan content. So even if the games have less yuri content in them, you've more yuri content to consume due the large amount of fan content.
>>4360202Sure but AK's story is dogshit so that doesnt help.
>>4360204If you can go through HSR, you can go through anything
>>4360204True but tbf Hoyo's stories are no better. One game is just boring yapping, another is boring characters doing stuff, and the last is just interesting characters doing boring stuff
>>4360198>why does she give off March vibes.They're similarly genki and retarded
>>4360203You're right. I just hope R1999 keeps getting more popular in 2025. I don't want it to be the gacha equivalent of a yuri anime that gets 1 season while yuri subtext anime gets multiple. It's so rare to have a female mc in a gacha without having to first pick the female gender. I will admit sometimes fan content makes me a fan of certain ships. For example I didn't at first ship Dehya and Candace until fanart came around. I wonder if Hoyo noticed them too, since now they can't be seen without the other.
>>4360199Thats actually a fair point, but given how niche R1999 is compared to Hoyo stuff I think its still fair to say Mihoyo remains an exception. Sure, R1999 is also one.
>>4360179The ship you just posted was just bait with no substance, I think you just enjoy eating scraps. Which is fine, really.
>>4359755Or give armored skins to the professional warriors at least. Tosei Gusoku for Ei, Gothic plate for Eula and Mameluke armor for Dehya to name just a few.
>>4360070Yes
Context of the firefly leaks today which are confirmed realFirefly and TB 100% were close before the mind wipe, and made very loving promises with eachother. Which is cute because it justifies their instant chemistry on penacony together despite one sided memory of their relationship
>>4360273Imagine if dark March ends up being March Alter and is just an event thing for the Fate crossover.
>>4360276I wonder if this was always the case or something Hoyo reconned in after the feedback from Penacony
>>4360277Highly unlikely with her being a silhouette on the Ampho cast list + Dan is also getting an alt form + Fate patch is supposedly Saber and Archer.>>4360276This makes me wish FF joined the AE instead of that faggot even more.
>>4360278No way to know for sure but i guess this is why Firefly never got her story mission yet.
>>4360278i don't think so since theres a lot of things in 2.0 that really signal boost it like how Firefly always instantly smiles when she sees Stelle or how Firefly makes Stelle show way more emotion than any other character so far in the story like its natural
>>4360278Knowing Shaoji? It was intended but he's a shit writer so he gave zero foreshadowing to it
>>4360304That's why I question it. Firefly has so many flashbacks of her own that it makes me question if this was always the plan. There was no subtle hint or any slip of the tongue from FF that would imply anything. At moments like this I'm reminded of how little story Stelle has regrading her past. It reminds me of Genshin, where Lumine is reminded of searching for her brother only during specific event stories. Reveals only work when there's good foreshadowing being built up.
I might just uninstall if they make Castorice as reliant on Sunday as Aglaea is
>>4360330literally who cares about gameplay synergy? i dont even care if i miss a star
>>4360334I want basic playability. All of Aglaea’s kit is in her ult and without Sunday your uptime dies and you’re stuck doing basics. HH doesn’t ult frequently enough to compensate for not having that faggot either.
>>4360345Tingyun?
>>4360329Penacony in itself was rushed and underutilized the characters (Firefly's backstory is only seen in marketing) so I just get the feeling he had the idea of Firefly being an old friend but didn't hint at it. I mean, if Kafka and SW were, then Firefly would be too. It's just weird this is never hinted even a little in Penacony.
>>4360278There was zero mention by Kafka on Sam and Stelle being close when talking of their time together, despite her relationship to the other Stellaron Hunters being explicitly brought up.So they made it up for Penacony.And then forgot to actually introduce this point meaningfully while they were busy completly botching Firefly's character alongside Penacony's entire story from 2.1 onward.
>TribbieWhat were they thinking?
>>4360313These two are quickly becoming my favorite pair
CN 2025 New Year Special ProgramEvent: New Wish Garden TourThis paradise has no worries or sorrows, only happiness and hope... Wait! How come someone dropped a little pearl?! (Cried)Domination TheaterWill discuss behind-the-scenes topics related to Kiana and Mei The newest event in Cn will be a Kiamei one, and we're getting a Kiamei stigmata as well
>be Hoyo>version 1.X>introduce bronseele>never mention againthe state of yuri in Hoyoverse is very grim
3.0 tonight, kinda excited
>>4360594still cant decide if i want herta or notthe ruan mei stuff is nice but its a very small bonus that rarely gets mentionedin fact her voice about her already leaked and its very tame
>>4360594Same, if only for Herta.
>>4360713>and its very tameBy what standards?
>>4360594Let's see if Shaoji can stick the landing without causing a mass casualty event this time.
>>4360730what do you even expecthoyo story is more about some big set piece/cinematic than actual coherence
>>4360732They say that hope dies last. But then again, expect nothing and you won't be disappointed.
BlackSwan doesn't even go to the planet that she herself sugested to visit pfftthahahahahahaha fuck this game so much holy shit.
wish i played hsr so i knew what the hell you are all talking about also the archon quest for genshin sucked
I accidentally got the HertaI guess I will pair her up with RM and Himeko...
>>4360821How do you accidentally get a character? Did you pull on her banner when you meant to pull on a different one?
>>4360713For me it's that I don't really need her. I'd be wasting rolls on someone I probably won't use
>>4360769Why show her in the trailer or even have her suggest it? As usual Hoyo makes weird writing decisions
>>4360821I heard she doesn’t run well with Ruan Mei. Unless you're looking to make battles unnecessarily longer I'd just use Firefly with Ruan Mei instead.
>>4360831It always looks like a classical case of too many writing teams fighting with different priorities in every Hoyo game.
Just started the new quest>March is sick and stays on the train>Stuck going together with Dan>Instantly introduced to the smug bastard who effortlessly disarmed Stelle and Dan, can't even argue against it>the prick also uses 'boku' like an insufferable fag he is>Tribbie's voice is miserableit's been like 15 minutes and it does not look good from here.
>>4360842Sounds like more yapping. Yay!!! Seriously HSR's writing keeps getting worse
>Herta is entierly irrelevant to the story and is shoved in, in a filler side quest in the last 30 minutes of the story>They're pushing together the Elysia expy and Phainon Well, that was a waste of time.
>>4361046>spoiler2Haven’t done the story yet, can you elaborate? That’d be an arc ruiner for me
>>4361046lol, it's HI3 all over again
>>4361046This might be the first patch many people are calling boring and pretty bad. I haven't started it yet but it seems way more split than Penacony was. Shame Star Rail dropped the ball so badly.
>>4360842There will be an even more insuferable prick in a few minutes>>4360769I knew this would happen when I saw the line count. Jesus fuck, my expectations were low, but they managed to disappoint me. Maybe Black Swan was asking if Acheron would come cause she is bored out of her mind.
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