Cosmic Princess Kaguya! (超かぐや姫! aka Chou Kaguya-hime!) released on Netflix January 22nd, 2026. This day marked the first day in history that a feature length original story yuri animated movie was brought into the world. Go enjoy 2 hours and 22 minutes watching a beautiful love story.>Official Music Video with new animation connected to the movie will be releases on January 31st at 21:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=356MRZ6P5h0>Volume 1 of the comic adaptation releases February 10th超かぐや姫!(1) (角川コミックス・エース) >Preview chapters available herehttps://comic-walker.com/detail/KC_008281_S>Light Novel adaptation releases January 30th超かぐや姫! (ファミ通文庫)>Official Guidebook Beyond the Happy Ending releases on January 30th超かぐや姫! 公式ガイドブック ハッピーエンドのその先へ!
After watching this I started rewatching scenes and studying them in a new light. It has really helped me appreciate all the subtle details that made Iroha and Kaguya's attraction so iron clad.
There are only a few days of fanart so far but it is quickly accumulating. This one was beautiful so I made it my desktop background.
>>4520159let's address the elephant in the room: is there a kiss or anything close to it?
>>4520159>I'm expecting you to give me 3 words in response>If you understand then why's my right hand empty?>Come and fix that, won't you please?>I'm not being selfish, I just know what I deserve>I want you to love me from the bottom of your heart and see how cute I amRewatching this scene in particular really makes me smile. The song itself was so romantic on the first watch since it looked like it was about Kaguya getting jealous when Yachiyo gets to sing the part about getting an "I love you" and a wedding ring. Knowing the twist adds so many extra layers to the entire song and also to all the small expressions that they animated in this scene.
>>4520162Just hand scissoring, hand kissing, hand holding, marriage proposal and acceptance, cohabitation, and one very big reason that I will not ruin for you even with a spoiler. If a kiss is a dealbreaker then just watch Sakura Trick first to fill your kiss quota in preparation to brave a movie without mucous membrane contact. The premise of this movie is wildly, explicitly romantic while being too chaste like the hets usually get in their big budget films. Go watch it now so you can experience it without spoilers and then ride the wave of popular yuri artists flocking to this movie with fanart like moths to the yuri flame.
Watching the early scenes again is something else knowing that Kaguya later says she fell in love with Iroha's beauty at first sight.
>>4520162Lol no
There is some damn cute fanart out there already.
I'll convert the hand scissoring into webms tomorrow if no one has any posted by then. I'm hoping the guide book will dedicate an interview question to help explain who came up with this brilliant feat of animation.
>>4520168It's like never saw wives kiss with their fingers before
More than anything, watching this made me so pleasantly obsessed. I rarely get to feel thoroughly hooked by a story after finishing it. I am nearly in disbelief that they were able to pitch a yuri retelling of a japanese fable to big business and end up with a multimillion production budget. The reviews are all positive and I really hope is a hit. This gave me hope that kaguya is only the first big budget yuri movie in a long line.
>>4520159>Official Guidebook Beyond the Happy Ending releases on January 30thHow 'hot' is the book? I'm tightening my belt a bit after whaling on watanare doujins, and I would like to wait at least until next month salary to also whale on this.
I'm always happy for surprise yuri movies. I am also extremely wary of the kind of mainstream stuff some anons here pretend to be yuri. There are idiots out there who claim Takopi's Original Sin is yuri after all. Like unironically.But OP is doing a good job shilling it, so I will give this a go just in case. Will report later whether this is actually yuri or not.
>>4520177I will never see eye to eye with yuri gatekeepers and elitists so it's a good thing general threads exist
>>4520175If it is like other fan/guide books I have from previous anime, it is mostly interviews and concept art. My guess is it will have a few new pieces at the beginning and end, probably related to the MV animation being released. Someone will scan it if you want to save your money. I see melon is already out of stock but Amazon probably has a ton of them. I preordered it along with the other books since the the total is only about $30 for all 3.>>4520177If you can think of a good way to sell someone on the yuri without giving away the ending please share. I would have been so sad if I didn't get to go into this blind. The surprises wrung the tears from me.
>>4520159really a fantastic movie. despite the obvious pacing issues, it's just fun from start to finish with creative animation, a creative story, really fun characters and superb yuri. i wish we got more!
>>4520180Shit... I'm picking it up sooner rather than later then. I'm a paperfag, so this shit is in my alley.
>>4520178I'm not an elitist for wanting explicit yuri. That is the baseline. Takopi has literally zero yuri in it, yet some claimed it was a yuri anime/manga because of 30 seconds of two character being shown as friends by the end.>>4520180>to sell someone on the yuri without giving away the ending please share I gotta watch it before I actually know. Be back in a couple of hours.
So if she never found someone she wanted to marry she wouldn't have been taken? Fucking moon people basically saw her slowly becoming a happy house wife, said "nope", and had her return to her dead end job filing paperwork.
>>4520187They weren't going to let her get away with marriage until she finished her job.
>>4520189She did say she finished all her work and put up a replacement (which if you interpret the picture right was probably a literal bot version of herself), so strangely enough she actually could have gotten away with it. That's probably also why the Lunarians didnt come for her a second time... unfortunately that was kinda bad for her this time.
>>4520199She said she blitzed through her work yet it still took her so long that Iroha was an old lady by then. She would've never been able to free herself of her responsibilities and be with Iroha while she was still young.
>>4520177(me)Well I did watch the whole movie now.Fuck.In easy terms, this is yuri. In uneasy terms, Kaguya's love for Iroha was stated explicitely over and over and I would have to be the worst piece of shit contrarian in the universe to claim after all Iroha did that she does not requite those feelings.There is so much pain in the way things ended, but things are complicated and a lot of things are vague enough to be up for interpretation regardless.My main confusion is why Yachiyo and Kaguya both seem to exist by the end. I mean I could understand that Yachiyo's consciousness was uploaded into the robot boy, but you can only copy, not actually transfer consciousness in data. So technically there are two Kaguya's now. The Yachiyo in the robot body acting more like the original Kaguya might be just some anime magic or it's because body and self-image align like that. Of course it would be cruel to "delete" the Yachiyo inside Tsukiyomi, so she was kept around. At least that's my guess.Of course with robotics and all, eventually Iroha would grow old while Kaguya/Yachiyo wont which feels like a second tragedy, especially because the original Kaguya seemed to be capable of aging properly and was biological despite coming from data. Lunarian tech is fucking weird. But one of the Mirage trio even said he wanted a robot body like his avatar, so I have a feeling this is the beginning of physical transcendence for humanity.
>>4520200Yeah that's why she had to time travel in the first place
>>4520201>boy*bodyWhat a fucking blunder.
I think the Yachiyo still inside Tsukuyomi is simply a copy, we've seen she can split up to appear to multiple people at once during her performances. The original Yachiyo is the one inside the Kaguya bot. You can see several instances throughout the movie where she still acts playful like Kaguya, so once she's back in her body with Iroha in the real world she's just able to fully behave like her old self again.
>>4520206Meant for >>4520201
>>4520206I have some issues with this interpretation for several reasons.Yachiyo directly stated that her "disembodied soul" was stuck inside her space pod. This implies to me that she has an actual data soul. Her ship and thus her soul are directly linked to the Tsukiyomi server which she created. That would mean, in my opinion, that Yachiyo in Tsukiyomi is still the "real" Kaguya who suffered for those 8000 years waiting. Then the question remains whether the Kaguya robot is actually a copy OR a remote controlled drone in a sense. The soul inside the space ship is controlling the robot body through the Tsukiyomi server... something like that?Also in regards to her personality, while I agree that some traces of the original Kaguya were still in Yachiyo, she was clearly heavily wheathered by 8000 years of solitude and loneliness without Iroha. It felt like her happy-go-lucky attitude was mostly an act for most of the movie. I can accept that being with Iroha again, in a body that feels more like herself is a way to rejuvinate her old personality, but in the first place she CHOSE this Yachiyo form to represent her in Tsukiyomi. I doubt it was just to close the loop, she clearly thought of herself as a different person. That's why when her younger "real" kaguya version said she wished she was more like Yachiyo to win over Iroha's love, Yachiyo replies that its Kaguya who Iroha really wants.
>>4520209Ultimately I think establishing which one is the original is kind of a superfluous distinction to make since both the Kaguyabot and the virtual Yachiyo are the same being. For what it's worth, during those 8,000 years Yachiyo says she uses Fuchi's sea slug body as a medium to communicate with humans so it could be that her soul is in the internet and her physical bodies (Fuchi, the Kaguyabot) are conduits or "remote drones". By this logic, her flesh Kaguya body she made in the telephone pole was also just a conduit and not any more "real" than the others. You can tell at the start that her first space ship strikes a power line and turns into electricity until the baby materializes in the pole. Her soul must still be somewhere in the lunarians' internet-like plane of existence.Yachiyo gets playful while interacting with Iroha. I feel moments like when she flirts with her while performing World is Mine and Kaguya gets all jealous are completely genuine. The original Kaguya was still inside her all along waiting to come out.
>>4520211I think the distinction is VITAL actually, because it is the difference between TWO Kaguyas existing and just one existing that controls several forms. I think having two seperate Kaguyas/Yachiyos here would actually cause a lot of problems of identity and also feel a bit uncomfortable. I much prefer the remote controlled body theory.However I don't think that the "real" Kaguya is in the Lunarian network. I think she genuinely escaped from that moon space or she wouldn't have needed to return in the first place. And as the data that went through the powerline created a REAL flesh and blood body, I cannot accept that it is the same as just a remote controlled drone. At first I thought the bangle was like a transmitter, but she could persist without it after she gave it to Iroha. On the other hand, the only reason Iroha's song could reach Kaguya on the moon was clearly because Iroha sang into the bangle.In conclusion I believe that Kaguya only has one soul that actually travels on the space ship and because of the crash landing it is stuck in there.In regards to Yachiyo's actions with Iroha, I will say it again there are clearly traces of the original Kaguya in her, especially her undying love for Iroha is eternal. But I still think her personality shifted after all that time. Enough that she herself felt a distinction between young Kaguya and herself. Even Iroha seems to think so. When she said "Kaguya never made a sad expression like that", it distinctly felt like she was drawing a line between the two. But when she absorbed all the memories of Yachiyo, Iroha also changed and accepted this version of Kaguya as real.I find the sudden personality shift jarring is all, but I am not claiming that it's completely absurd.On a side note, Iroha clearly having a crush on Yachiyo since before she ever met Kaguya was really interesting all things considered.
I'm ngl the fakeout ending almost got me because I'm so used to japanese stories ending with the protagonist giving up on exciting things to become a soulless office drone, so I'm glad they actually stuck with the girls getting their happy ending
>>4520218Typical "I will treasure those memories" garbage. Totally believable for the genre. But then I looked at the runtime left and I knew this movie is better than that.
>netflix logo>expect nothing >got yuri kinoBASED
>>4520226I mean Netflix just buys licenses for good movies and shows all the time. It's not a Netflix production.
The message in their songs makes a whole lot of sense when you watch the movie for a second time. Yachiyo is pretty bold
I love all the quick expression changes in this movie, Iroha just stops functioning whenever Yachiyo gers flirty.
>>4520230What's that absolute shit video quality?
>>4520232Both webrip and webl releases give me shit artifacts.
>>4520233Watch it on hianime in HD if you cant afford netflix.
>>4520233It's definitely a problem with your player. What are you using?
>>4520234>>4520235>>4520232It's clearly Netlfix shit compression issue when it comes to dynamic scenes.
>>4520237Using the same release but in another scene.
>>4520238
>>4520238The movie had quite a few meme faces in it. As in references to other manga and anime. This Bocchi meltdown was funny, but there was also a Jojo reaction face at some point.
>>4520238Iroha the Rock
>>4520237Trix's AV1 release looks nothing like that. Either Erai ripped it at a ridiculous bitrate, fucked up the HEVC encode, or you're using a player without the necessary codecs. Or you compressed the quality out of that webm.
>>4520243Looks like Erai fucked up somewhere then
>>4520230>>4520247timestamp? forgot around where in the movie this is and i want to compare
>>4520254Filename. 1h23m32s
>>4520255thanks. i actually did just compare erai to filename with a different singing scene and yeah, erai's encoding just sucks i guess. will need to rewatch the movie soon to get an even better viewing experience
>>4520258 meso is the nekotrix release the best? or the feibanyama? i see nekotrix says that they downmixed the audio to stereo and converted it to 128kbps Opus but i'm not even really sure what that means. Not very technologically literate when it comes to audio stuff
>>4520259Holy shit just watch it on netflix or on hianime, which just straight up ripped it off netflix at the same quality. This isnt rocket science.
I'm not a vocaloid fan, so I had pretty low expectations and even forgot this movie was a thing until the day it came out, but after watching it I can say that I've loved basically everything about it, the only nitpick I have is the part after the time skip feeling kinda rushed. Nice to see so much yuri fanart too, we've truly hit the jackpot with this one.
>>4520261It helps that the songs are sung by humans instead of robots. The VAs really elevated the vocaloid tracks.
>>4520260i just want the best release locally, man, what's your problem? just ignore me
>>4520266Buy the blue-ray when it comes out then.
>>4520268i probably will, if it gets one
>>4520218MC's original choice was law school, the usual choice expected of smart people and it depends on what you are doing. If you just do paralegal/admin then yes you're a office drone and you could be stuck photocopying- and you're probably getting paid like shit. But if she went on to be a lawyer there's a spectrum. It can be glorified paper pusher/office work like Property. If she got into commercial side there's a lot more thinking involved, lots of stuff to read and litigation. Everyone loves arguing. Criminal. That's the stuff on TV and if you want to be in that glorified role it can work out for you.However, in saying that law can become draining in other ways. In Commercial, if you go high enough you are on call for CEOs at 2 to 4 just to review contracts. Criminal? Well imagine if you're running defense...and you're defending a literal pede. And then you make a career out of defending pedes.And let's not get started on Family.
Wow, talk about playing with open cards. Kaguya even asks Iroha if she is in love with that idol.
>>4520277Who cares?
>>4520280Don't be mean to anon, she just made the wrong choice going into law instead of engineering an android body for her fated lover moon princess.
>>4520282I suppose only someone stupid enough to go into law would autistically rant about it at the slightest excuse.
Is this NTR?
>>4520159Just out of curiosity I watched the movie a second time with the English dub. It's actually quite decent? Like not at all on the Japanese level, but it is very good nontheless. I was also super surprised that all the songs got English covers. For that alone it's worth a rewatch like this.The only voice that I find a bit unfortunate is Yachiyo's. It's an impossible act to follow the Japanese VA who has a legendary soothing voice and the most subtle performances.
>>4520288How could you even come to this conclusion?
>>4520260>streaming>giving money to NeflixHoly shit just shut up.
Feature with the movie's director Shingo Yamashita, fully in English: www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/2099029/Yes, he's the guy from the "My pain is far greater than yours" Naruto Shippuden episode that was memed to death in 2010.
>>4520277Lawyer anon... I fucking know this feel. Me and everyone I know who passed the bar exam didn't pursue the barrister path and instead chose to chill as a public servant lawyer.
>>4520279There's a lot of moments like this that stand out or have new meaning on a second watch. And there's a bunch that I missed just because things went too fast. Iroha's ticket to Yachiyo's first event lists it as a handshake event, hence the Yachiyo copies interacting with the crowd afterwards, and her stopping Iroha to clasp hands with her before she leaves. And then there's this quick scene from the montage where the text is left untranslated: the question is "what would you want with you on a desert island?" Kaguya's answer is Iroha, but it's censored since she wrote her real name: The overlay text is "*IroP's real name" and "is it okay to broadcast that? lol" Cute.
>>4520293I literally suggested a pirate site too you dumbfuck.
>>4520288As NTR as pic related
>>4520294Well he definitely is good with fluid animation, although that episode is infamous for a reason for overdoing it. This movie did it much better. I love how constantly in motion it is.
Sorry folks, it's officially NTR: https://x.com/kz_lt/status/2015017915821723921
>>4520298Anon wanted good video quality and you suggested a streaming site, you don't know anything about video quality so just shut up and watch your collection of pixels on your favourite site without telling others what to do.
>>4520308>can't afford good internet to have stable and high quality streamsSounds like a (You) problem. I literally watch in 4k with no quality loss. Stop making up things to be mad about and shut the fuck up from now on.
>>4520297Personally I like how extremely early on they point out that the tech for artificial smelling and tasting hasn't been develöped yet. Or the reoccuring pancake theme.
>>4520309>thinking high resolution means high qualityWe got it, you don't understand anything about video quality, no need to keep repeating it.
>>4520288Technically it's not cheating if it's your future self, baby.
>>4520311You are literally just barking because you were cornered. High resolution, high bit rate, high audio quality. That is literally all you need to have good video quality. You are just pretending to have an unrealistic standard that doesnt exist to be right. Kill yourself and spare us your drivel from now on.
Please don't summon the Daiz on /u/
>>4520313>high audio quality. That is literally all you need to have good video quality
>>4520317>intentionally ignores 90% of the post to dodge realityYeah you are done. What a waste of my time.
Since we are bringing up barking, can they upload their dog/slug on a baby android?
>>4520319I mean the slug literally exists in the real world and in Tsukuyomi already, so...
>>4520304I feel like buying tons of PS5 games.
https://x.com/710_ao/status/2015349566170927242
I like the part where Iroha's best friends set up a fireworks date for Iroha and Kaguya with zero hesitation. The gay was so obvious they figured it out immediately.
Nice, I love this artist.
>>4520329The redhead deserves a girlfriend.
If they announce scale figures of this I'm going to whale hard...
>>4520332Maybe. The short chestnut haired one is unfortunately total yumejoshi trash, so she is not an option.
One thing I don't get is why they even confronted the Lunarians in Tsukuyomi. The argument was literally "They can't do anything in the real world, so let's fight them online." Like... why? They apparently cannot get Kaguya in real life.
>>4520214Almost every bit of the movie can be looked at under a microscope to reveal so many clues about Kaguya/Yachiyo's love for Iroha, but inspecting the last act of the movie deeply for other details will unwind some of the tightly bound narrative that wrapped everything up so well. We can't decipher the consequences of a time travel paradox while simultaneously unlocking the mystery of the soul. Iroha is in love with Kaguya, and for most of the movie that could be interpreted as two people, but at the end of the movie, there is only one being on Earth that fits this criteria no matter how many extensions of her exist. As for Kaguya-bot, her having the appearance and quirky behaviors even though Yachiyo's experiences changed her is no different than your grandma being more playful when getting to re-experience something from her youth. I do like the idea that this is just the beginning and a rapid technological advancement will allow them to transcend mortality so Iroha and Kaguya will be together forever.>>4520294This was actually interesting. Really can tell they love the work they did creating the movie. The end of the interview gave me hope with how passionate they were about creating original anime too. Hopefully the yuri fans on the team are the ones who will keep leading the way.>>4520297This is too cute, thanks for pointing it out.
>>4520159Sad that they still chicken out of showing anything sexualThe water scene and mood there would have been perfect for an answering and kissing
Manga chapter 1: https://mangadex.org/chapter/dd58ab1a-de3a-47b5-897e-133d3b5d8ecd
>>4520346Kissing isnt sexual, dumbo. Actual sexual stuff isn't appropiate for a 12+ rated movie though. Get a grip.
>>4520346The kissing there got clearly censored It was such as obvious thing that my two little brothers unironically asked why are they not kissing to my aunt kek
>sexual Please do not fist android kaguya
>>4520355She is literally trying to give her back all her senses and making the ideal body for her girlfriend. There is no way she will not make a fully functioning vagina and entrails system. Instead of that absolute trash "Does it count if your first time is with an android?" this is the real android yuri anime experience we needed.
>>4520355Surely by 2040 technology will have advanced enough to make android girls without gears in their vagina.
>>4520346They probably got rid of anything showing sexual attraction. Probably a necessary sacrifice to get pass the suits Wonder if anime originals will ever reach the point of unashamedly gay
>>4520337I had the same thought during the movie. Also why couldn't Yachiyo take Kaguya's place when they came to take her? Or alter the outcome to prevent the same tragic result? I haven't rewatched yet to see if it is the case, but it clearly felt like the dog that Yachiyo pets and apologizes to before it climbs up on Kaguya to get beamed up with her was meant for something more. My pet theory is the dog becomes the decoy that is left on the moon so Kaguya can escape the 2nd time without anyone chasing after her, and I wonder if there is any small detail in the montage scenes that show something like this. I think they went for the classic time travel paradox where the events are causally linked and can't be changed, so knowing the future isn't enough to prevent it and these events had to happen because Yachiyo already exists. It breaks down quickly to scrutiny so I'd rather not think about it. Time travel really fucks with the ability to rationalize a story because it has no basis in human experience unless its the time dilation variety.>>4520353I am 100% positive some level of the production process placed restrictions on what they could show due to the size of the budget/production. However, restrictions help lead to creative ways to skirt the rules, which is why I think the scissor kiss animations >>4520240 were the direct result of the story and animation team wanting to still show more and devised a way to make sure any audience member would connect the dots. The success of this movie should help future teams push back and take bigger leaps.
>>4520363They are literally not hiding sexual attraction in any way (there is tons of physical contact, blushing and love confessions). Not having a kiss is not that uncommon in Jap movies.You expect them to make out and try to suck each others tits in a 12+ movie, but this is supposed to be a more softcore story to begin with. There isnt even a drop of blood in this story either. It's very tame.
>>4520365Inu-Doge goes with Kaguya when she attempts to return to Earth and travels back in time. Yachiyo outright says the accident leaves them only able to incarnate him as the sea slug Fuchi which Kaguya inhabits for the next 8,000 years and then he becomes Yachiyo's pet inside Tsukuyomi who you saw throughout the movie.
>>4520365>why couldn't Yachiyo take Kaguya's place?She is damaged goods. Her soul is stuck in a broken ship. They still respected her and backed off when she threw around some of their drones, showing that they still perceive her as one of them. From all we have seen though, the Lunarians are so technologically advanced that nobody could have actually stopped them in the virtual world. Hence why I dont understand why they had their last stand in the enemy's prefered territory...>the dogThe dog became the seaslug. The space ship only had enough juice to give the dog a physical form. So it became an important intermediary to make sure Kaguya could become Yachiyo. The copy Kaguya made on the moon isnt actually a decoy, she finished her work after all. She just left behind a robot that could deal with any future work.>fate cannot be changedYes, it is clearly implied to be a perfect loop. I think the implication is that the Lunarians would always succeed no matter what, but I just dont get how they could have done so. The movie didnt really try to explain how. That's the only gap I can see.
>>4520347I mean it's just a hyper paced retelling of the movie, so it feels kinda pointless after you watched it. I can't believe I'm saying this, but somehow the MOVIE is more detailed and a better pace. This one chapter only covers 15 minutes of the movie and somehow feels like it skips half of those 15 minutes.
>>4520365>>4520367The lunarians interfere with the internet the first time they show up. If Kaguya never connected again to escape them they'd most likely start causing more and more havoc for humans by disrupting the digital world. Also for the timeline to work at all it's necessary that Kaguya does return to the moon so the time loop can begin/continue. Yachiyo and Tsukuyomi couldn't exist otherwise and the events of the movie wouldn't happen, so Yachiyo facilitates Kaguya being brought back. Kaguya herself knows she can't keep running away forever.
>>4520218Iroha opening all her cabinets after Kaguya is taken fucking destroyed me. Just thinking about the despair they felt being separated makes me start to tear up. Fuck the moon, all my homies hate the moon>>4520367>>4520368Oh of course, that is so obvious now. I just fundamentally made the wrong assumption for the connection between the dog, the slug, and Yachiyo. For some reason I thought Yachiyo created the slug as an extension of herself because she landed in the sea and didn't see anything about the dog there. The 8000 year time skip montage went by too fast and I was crying through all of it so I just need to watch it again.>>4520371That's an interesting parallel to Iroha running away from confronting her mother, and adds more beauty to it because she finds the courage to face this for Kaguya and pursue her truest desire. Thinking about it that way makes reveling in the destruction of "my responsibilities before my happiness" with their happy ending that much sweeter.
>>4520159>【Official MV】Remember – yuigot / 月見ヤチヨ(cv.早見沙織) from 超かぐや姫!>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE1y01q6wzQForgot to include a link for the debut song music video in the OP. Watch it after the movie.
>>4520201>>4520206>>4520209>>4520211>>4520214I think you guys missed the whole time loop thing, it's explained clearly that Yachiyo is not the Kaguya that Iroha knows, she's the one from the previous cycle, which keeps repeating because time travel shenanigans.And that's why there's technically two Kaguyas in the end, because there were two in the beginning as well, nothing's changed in that regard; Iroha makes a body for the one she actually met in person 10 years before, not the one who spent 8000 years navigating history through the slug, and who's now just an AI acting in Tsukuyomi; remember when Iroha specifically asked Yachiyo about her own Kaguya?Yes, the non-granny Kaguya was supposedly stuck in the past as well, so Iroha also managed to recover her consciousness somehow, probably with Yachiyo's moon tech cheats.
>>4520373The overall message of the movie seems to be neither to bow down to your responsibilities and abandon your happiness nor conversely to escape from them to chase happiness without a plan, but rather to focus on building your happiness through effort and responsibility. It won't be quick and easy but it will be worth it.
>>4520378That is completely wrong. Like, just straight up getting all the plot threads confused.The Kaguya Iroha met 10 years ago is currently 8000 years in the past, because she time traveled back and hit a meteor on her way back to Earth. That is the entire point of the loop.Yachiyo is the only Kaguya by the end of the movie. She is literally narrating the entire movie and says at the end how she is looking forward to eating pancakes again, because Iroha is making a body for her. The robot Kaguya is either a copy or a remote controlled Yachiyo. There is nobody else. The loop was unbreakable, but there is a happy ending AFTER the events of the loop. That is what Iroha made possible.I dont understand what place you sucked all of the made up plot points from. Really strange.
>>4520382To be fair to anon the movie really packs everything in the last act. To add to the explanation the movie timeline starts with Yachiyo=Kaguya8000 singing the debut song to Iroha. Kaguya0 lands on Earth and falls in love. Kaguya0 is taken back to the moon until Iroha sings the debut song to wake up Kaguya0 from her OL prison. In this process Iroha realizes the origin of the debut song is only possible if Kaguya is Yachiyo but she doesn't know how so she goes into VR to find Yachiyo. There she learns Kaguya0 left the moon to return to her, but tragedy sent her 8000 years in the past. She keeps smiling while waiting those 8000 years by spreading her love story until she becomes Yachiyo and can share her love directly with Iroha again at long last in the form of the debut song, knowing she can be reunited. Now I'm crying again. That settles it I'll go watch the movie again now.
>>4520382Anon, the whole 'happy ending' thing in the final dpurt was all about Iroha managing to save her own Kaguya from the time loop of suffering, and she succeeded. She didn't just give up and let her go through everything Yachiyo had to, that's what she achieved, otherwise she'd be stuck with just the granny who is a different person from the one dhe lived with, which wouldn't be a happy ending at all..No wonder you're confused by the Kaguya situation in the end, I'd recommend a rewatch, at least of the last 30 minutes.
It's like Terminator.
>>4520388No, you made all of this up. There is literally not a single scene, frame or dialogue piece that in any way implies what you are saying here. There is no plot device or reason to believe that she is actually somehow retrieving the Kaguya 8000 years in the past to the present. That Kaguya will become the current Yachiyo. The fact that Yachiyo exists already proves the loop happened. YOU are the one who is confused and I will guarantee that every other anon here who watched the movie agrees with me on this. You saw the robot Kaguya looking like that and misinterpreted what happened. Iroha is going through robot iterations to give Yachiyo a body again. You are also mistaken about Yachiyo being an AI. That whole thing was a red herring. She is literally just connected to Tsukuyomi via her spaceship and using a virtual avatar to control the server.How do you explain Yachiyo's narration after the credits in your convoluted unsupported interpretation? Is Iroha making a body for both of them in your fantasy? How exactly did Iroha retreieve Kaguya from 8000 years in the past? None of this makes sense.I highly suggest that (You) rewatch the movie or at least the last hour of it.
>>4520382wow, so you actually came out of the movie thinking iroha never reunited with her kaguya?you're the strange one here
>>4520393You are not convincing anyone by pretending to be another anon...She did meet her Kaguya again. Yachiyo is that Kaguya. How is this so hard to understand? They are the same person. Yachiyo is just an 8000 year old Kaguya. It's like saying if you didnt see someone for 10 years they are not the same person (literally, not figuratively).
>>4520392Anon, I'm not trolling you here, rewatch the thing and I'm confident you'll connect the dots, or don't and keep being stubborn, but I can't make it any clearer for you.
>>4520399I have watched the movie TWICE today, both in Japanese and in English. There is NOTHING in it that supports your theory. If you want me to believe your interpretation you actually need to support it with evidence. You cant even explain the central pillar of your theory. You say you "cant make it clearer", but you havent even explained a single thing yet. You just made a claim and pretended its self-evident.If you arent trolling you are just kinda media illiterate.
>>4520387You are right that the final act rushes a lot, but the plot is not so confusing that I can excuse how wrong that anon is about such an obvious plot point.I have my own reservations I mentioned before like the fighting the Lunarians in the virtual world or why Yachiyo in the robot body immediately returned to her own personality, but those are actually somewhat vague unlike the central premise of the entire movie...
How would they even bring back the recent kaguya when she's stuck doing paperwork till Iroha dies as an old hag.
>>4520404>I have watched the movie TWICE todayIf you actually did that and still don't get it, you have no business calling anyone media illiterate.Maybe the MV next week or the manga adaptation will clear up your confusion, I'm not arguing time travel paradox theory when the story itself makes light of it for the sake of reaching the idealized happy ending.
>>4520409No anon, you don't get to wind your way out like this. You made a very definitive claim, so tell me where in the movie it is supported. What scene, what dialogue, what plot device facilitates your completely unfounded fantasy? You are getting further and fruther away from actually explaining your claim, which tells me you can't. No distractions, no deflections to other media that isnt out yet. What in the actual movie says what you claim? Let me guess, it's all "vibes". Fucking hell.Stable time loops aren't hard to understand in fiction. Unless of course you are media illiterate.
While I can see how it is more ideal that Kaguya never has any suffering, that means Yachiyo is alone forever because Iroha takes Kaguya over her. That is pretty depressing so not seeing how that would be your idealized ending. Kaguya and Iroha are star crossed lovers and Kaguya endures 8000 years smiling alone because she will reunite with Iroha.
>>4520410Nice try, good luck on your fourth watch.
>>4520407>when she's stuck doing paperwork till Iroha dies as an old hag.The recent Kaguya is currently on her way to earth, we did see her set out when Irohas song reached her.I do actually think it feels like a incomplete ending to not interrupt that timeline by not letting her crash 8000 years in the past. And have two.
>>4520413Yup, you were a troll. Shoulda figured the obvious the moment you made your second reply. Same shit as usual.
>>4520414Because time isnt working linearily... due to time travel, what we see is not happening simultaneously. The time gap between Kaguya hearing the song and starting her space ship to leave is long enough for Iroha to actually turn into a granny. It doesnt matter to Kaguya, because she assumes she will travel right back to the point in time where Iroha sings the song. If that wasnt the case there would be no reason for her to time travel in the first place...
>>4520365Well they clearly couldn't get the greenlight for full gay speed but had to made do with what they get
>>4520418Does this imply that Kaguya is going to run into the same accident and end up in a different timeline's 6000BC, and continue the loop by being Yachiyo to a new Iroha? Or will the accident only happen once, and she successfully time travels and meets up with Iroha, Yachiyo, and her new robot body?
>>4520418Its not actually said if it was the song that took so long or the journey, or both. I grant it could be the song. But the point is that Kaguya does arrive on earth before she sets out to time travel, so its possible to avert her fate by Iroha just sticking around long enough thanks to robo-body technology.
>>4520419Having actual love confessions between girls is already far more than most movies have ever achieved.
>>4520423Yachiyo literally says that the Kaguya that Iroha knows is currently traveling through time and will end up 8000 years in the past. The movie literally spells it out after Iroha asks where "her" Kaguya is.It's a stable time loop. Yachiyo's existence means Kaguya traveled back. It is already decided. That's why everyone calls it fate. It can't be averted, but they can go beyond it (aka giving Yachiyo a Kaguya body and living their lives happily together making up for lost time).
>>4520423As it stands it looks like a stable timeloop on the surface, so the Kaguya that we saw is now going to end up on earth 8000 years ago. I will say I think it would be a plothole to have Iroha die of old age with her amazing robot technology, now that she 'knows' there is a Kaguya coming to meet her in a few decades.So I choose to believe the knowledge Iroha acauired from Yachiyo breakd that timeline as the ultimate Fuck You to destiny
>>4520426Sure, but they still specifically had to avoid saying the return We need to level up the yuri movie research more
>>4520427Correction, because it matters she says Kaguya is currently in the same loop of fate, not in the time travel part of that loop. Also the whole "we can't ever escape it" part is clearly meant to be fatalism thats overturned, not a final statement.
>>4520424No... sigh... okay one more time,1. Kaguya escapes the moon and travels to earth, creates an organic body, meets Iroha, has a gay old time2. Kaguya gets taken back to the moon by the Lunarians3. Iroha sends her song to Kaguya on the moon, who then decides to finish her wokr as fast as possible so she can travel back to Earth4. By the time Kaguya is finished with work and making a replacement for herself, enough time has passed that she assumes Iroha is an old lady by now, having wasted her whole life never reuniting with Kaguya5. Kaguya uses the time travel function of her space ship to go back to the point in time where Iroha sang the song so they can reunite immediately6. Her ship hits an asteroid on the way and malfunctions, sending her back 8000 years into the past instead of 80ish7. Kaguya crashes in the ocean, ship is unable to give her a body, so she makes a body for her dog robot pet and turns it into a seaslug which she uses to communicate with people while stuck in her space ship8. 8000 years pass in which Kaguya changes and eventually created Tsukuyomi and takes on the persona of Yachiyo9. As Yachiyo she partakes in the events that lead to Kaguya returning to the moon after her first escape10. Iroha sings her song for Kaguya on the moon, finds out Yachiyo is Kaguya, confronts her and then decides to get their happy ending by studying robotics to give Yachiyo a Kaguya body so they can be happy together in the real world againThis is the whole plot of the movie and how the stable time loop works. Part 10 is the happy ending Iroha creates beyond the loop.
>>4520429kaguya does not know that Iroha and robo-Yachiyo are still kicking around by that time (assuming they even did in the original timeline), so she just assumes that Iroha would be a granny by that point, as that is how time works for humans.
>>4520435>that she assumes Iroha is an old lady by nowThis isn't whats actually in the movie. She specifically says she finds out 'after' she got to earth following the song. It doesn't even imply she pre-emptively knows or anticipates it. Kahguya travels to earth and THEN time travels.This isn't even worth arguing about because she literally says that.
Here, this is the Kaguya that gets the body in the end.
>>4520438This isnt at all stated in the movie. You are just making that up. Yachiyo never specifies that she went back to earth, she just says by the time she finished her work and got ready to return, Iroha is already an old lady.
>>4520439No, that is a flashback to Kaguya suffering alone for 8000 years, waiting. Iroha literally sees all her memories that happen during those 8000 years afterwards and even hears her internal monologue where this kaguya realizes she was always going to be Yachiyo... holy shit, the media illiteracy.
>>4520438Man, there are even visuals showing you she hits an asteroid while attempting to reach Earth. What, you think she got to Earth, saw old lady Iroha, decided to time travel and to do so she had to get back into orbit and that's when she hit an asteroid? Sure, why not? The result is the same aside from the whole sequence becoming comically clunky.
>>4520441You're the one who makes up she anticipated it, which the movie never says.
This is literally exactly what she says in the scene where she explains her origin.Finishes work -> it took too long -> travales to earth with time travel functionTraveling to earth and time traveling are the same step. There is no going to earth first and then going to space again to time travel only to hit an asteroid. She literally never went to earth again before the accident.
>>4520445I checked back and the english version might lead to that misunderstanding, but the japanese only says "a lot of time had passed" it doesn't imply she went back to find out.We are left with the plothole of the lunarians not checking on her despite doing it the entire time for the first trip or why they can't just go and pick up that Kaguya now, but thats a whole different issue. Frankly not worth exploring for the main story and is more for threesome doujins.
Original timeline: Yachiyo doesn't exist, Iroha and Kaguya meet, Kaguya leaves for good, Iroha sings for Kaguya but dies of old age without ever seeing her again. BAD END.2nd timeline: the one we see in the anime. Kaguya is now on Earth 8000 years before but crash landed, has to wait for humans to create VR, creates Yachiyo, has to let physical Kaguya and Iroha to meet and everything to not break the loop and create paradoxes, after Iroha sings she can finally reveal herself, Iroha makes her a physical body 10 years later, they get together. GOOD END.
>>4520453>We are left with the plothole of the lunarians not checking on her despite doing it the entire time for the first tripShe finished her work. It was never stated to be literally infinite. It was still so much prospective work that she got the idea to run away the first time, but after hearing Iroha's song she instead decided to power through the rest of it first specifically so the lunarians wouldn't be on her ass again.
>>4520454>they use Lunarian time travel texh to go back in time 8.000 years ago to pick up this timelines Kaguya and bring her back to their time with a second robot body>they have sweaty gynoid sandwich lesbian sex foreverTRUE GOLDEN END
>>4520454This is certainly how the very first timeline had to happen logically, but that is kind of the problem with closed loops like this. Because if Kaguya actually VERIFIED that Iroha became and old lady and died (from a distance of course), then once the actual loop is established, she would instead see a robot version of herself (assumedly) with a robot bodied Iroha on every loop where Yachiyo exists.So our only way to keep the loop actually logical and stable is to assume Kaguya never checked and just assumed before traveling through time.
>>4520458>So our only way to keep the loop actually logical and stable is to assume Kaguya never checked and just assumed before traveling through time.I see no issue assuming this happened, given her personality.Not sure how we are meant to think the baracelet works that it can transmit the song, but somehow no other information. Especially since Lunarians are provably capable of interacting with earth in 'real time', since they directly reacted to the bracelet checking on Kaguya falling in love.
The dual android threesome is inevitable.
>>4520458I think trying too hard to make sense of time travel stories is a hopeless endeavor. They just don't make logical sense because they're fallacious in the first place. It's a science fiction invention, we don't know if they're actually possible. Time traveling most of the time assumes only the traveler retains memories of the previous timeline. That opens a gigantic can of worms because it implies there are infinite parallel universes. Just stop.I think people shouldn't overthink things, it's just gonna ruin the enjoyment of the product.I thik the gist of the story is the one I wrote >>4520454 and I'm just gonna stick with that.
>>4520454>Original timeline: Yachiyo doesn't existThen why does Kaguya call out to her in >>4520439?
>>4520460Yes, the bangle being so conveniently limited is certainly a bit silly, but we honestly don't know anything about it beyond the fact that Lunarians could track Iroha through it and that it transmitted a song once.Also I dont think the Lunarians reacted to Kaguya falling in love, as Kaguya literally states she fell in love the moment she saw Iroha for the first time.The first time we see the bangle react is during the scene where she sees she wants to marry Iroha, but I feel like those things arent actually connected.
>>4520464Because that is already a loop where she met Yachiyo. By the nature of this stable loop, the loop already assumes Yachiyo's existence is a fact.
Patience is one heck of a virtue. I'm suprise she didn't jump on her the first chance she got.
>>4520467It doesn't matter to the lunarians if she falls in love as long as she rejects her suitors and accepts being taken back to the moon, as she does in the original tale of the bamboo cutter where she still rejects the emperor despite genuinely loving him. Expressing the wish to marry Iroha and thus stay on Earth forever is what they cannot abide.
>>4520463I didnt have to think about it more than that, I literally gave you the solution to the problem in the same post.>I think people shouldn't overthink thingsThat is literally the same thing Yachiyo said. She tells Iroha it's just a "fairy tale" so she shouldn't try too hard to understand it. It just plays into the whole Kaguyahime fate angle. Iroha wanting to understand everything that happened is what led to her getting the happy ending though.
>>4520470She wasn't going to do herself dirty like that, though she certainly revels in trolling Kaguya a little during World is Mine.
>>4520468But you said there were only two timelines, so the anime Yachiyo should be the first one to exist in time, and her flashback shouldn't have her calling out to another Yachiyo?That should only happen for the first time to the Kaguya (young) of the anime timeline, no?Unless the anime is actually the third loop or something.
>>4520470Well frankly, I feel like Yachiyo already gave up on ever having a chance with Iroha. She even hides away from her after Kaguya is taken to the moon. It's Fushi who guides Iroha to Yachiyo after Iroha makes abundantly clear that she will never give up searching for her.In other words, Yachiyo gave up on being Iroha's Kaguya, until Iroha strongarmed her way back in and sweeped her off her feet. It's painful to think that those fleeting moments with Iroha is all she felt she would ever have...>>4520472I never considered the fairy tale angle there, but it makes total sense with the themes of the movie. Very cool observation.
>>4520475First of all, I am not the anon with the two timelines post. Secondly in a stable loop cause and effect are already set in stone. The moment Kaguya went back in time, Yachiyo always existed. It's confusing, but that's how this concept generally works.
>>4520478Yeah, think of it as a loop with no beginning, not in terms of multiple timelines with an original one unchanged by time travel. Yachiyo and Tsukuyomi must be there in the first place or the events that lead to Kaguya going back in time wouldn't take place at all because Iroha would have no incentive to finish her old song. This is also why the idea of breaking the timeloop by preventing Kaguya from being taken back to the moon or time traveling is unfeasible, as once again Yachiyo wouldn't exist if those events changed.
>>4520335Regarding Ayatsumugi Roka.
Rewatching the movie is kinda hard when you notice all those small instances Yochiyo tears up.
>>4520467>The first time we see the bangle react is during the scene where she sees she wants to marry Iroha, but I feel like those things arent actually connected.In the original tale, the people of the moon let Kaguya stay on earth to let her develop material attachments (falling in love with the emperor in this case) because its meant to be a punishment. That is what decides for them to come and get her, when the emperor asks her to come live with him.To me it felt obvious the movie mirrors that in that the lunarians come and get her only after Iroha accepts Kaguya's proposal. Its Iroha recipricating that triggers it, its not a coincidence.
I'd take a whole movie of just them doing everyday married couple things and nothing happens.
>>4520299Damn what happened to this manga I forgot all about it.
I wasn't expecting it to be this good, what the hell. GET OUT OF MY HEAD.
>>4520477I think it is overly harsh to say Yachiyo gave up just because she hides. She spent 8000 years explicitly never giving up in pursuit of their happy ending. She was only hiding after Kaguya left because she was worried Iroha wouldn't be able to requite her love when she learns what happened, and sharing that 8000 year old vulnerability is scary. Instead Iroha stomps over and makes her tell her story. >>4520484I just finished my 2nd watch and seeing everything from Yachiyo's perspective made it so much harder to go through a scene without crying myself. Every moment has a new meaning on the 2nd watch and I recommend everyone do it immediately. Looking back at the very first song Iroha hears from Yachiyo on their fated reunion at the start of the movie is so much sweeter now>Many thousand years>All this time I've waited>And now>The day we meet is finally here>So please>Stay close to me and hold my hand>Don't ever let me go again
>>4520484Careful Iroha, there's an Anti-spiral emerging next to you!
R/u/minating on this movie again and how much I loved it and the gay happy end. Domestic scenes too, these two are a great married couple. Airtight narrative with Yuri start to finish.HONMONO Yuri/10
>check the dub>dubbed songsWe in the 90s again?
>>4520565Let me start by saying I can't stand Vocaloid singing. Miku, Len, all of them just don't sound good. It's why I could never get into ProSeka. But I won't deny the composition is professional and the Producers behind them are serious about their music. It's why their songs end up sounding much better when they go pro and start working with actual people- utaite, seiyu etc. That's why I regularly listen to Vocaloid music covers with ACTUAL people. There are a lot of covers out there, some translated. I'll treat this as a cover but I wonder how a pro dub compares to what the fans have been doing.
>>4520528I mean Yachiyo's literal reaction during the confrontation is:"I can't really call this a happy ending, can I?""I said I would get a happy ending and take you with me.... I messed up."It feels like she overtly thinks she failed already. And seeing Iroha's love for the young Kaguya clearly made her feel even more unworthy of Iroha. I refer again to the scene where Kaguya says she wishes she was more like Yachiyo so she could have gained iroha's love faster and Yachiyo replies "No, it's you she wants, because you are Kaguya". I feel like the movie can't spell it out more obviously.
>>4520565The English covers are pretty decent though. No other dub actually re-recorded the songs, so that makes the English dub unique.Also they only really covered the songs that are actually sung by the cast. They didn't cover Happy Synthesizer playing during the montage or the credits songs.
One thing I find really interesting is how the animators managed to make two distinct artstyles between the real world and the virtual world. The real world is full of thin lines and flat tones and stretchy motions. But in the game world every character model is hyper pretty, detailed and glowy. Everyone looks like they war make up and are idealized pretty.I always subconsciously noticed this, but it's actually a very strong contrast if you pay attention to it.
>>4520634I liked the latin dub. Kaguya sounds adorable, makes you wanna grab her and shake her.
>>4520637Latinos always overstate their dubs. They will praise even the most basic dubs like they are as good as the Japanese or something. Let's be clear, none of the dubs come close to the JP, they are just not as amateurish and bad as they used to be 10-20 years ago. I listened to about 10 languages just for shits and giggles and not a single one came close to replication Yachiyo's perfect Japanese voice. It's kind of an impossible task.
>>4520636Yeah, Iroha's avatar looks like Adachi.
>>4520640Calm down, Iroha.
I just realized... by traveling back in time and telling all kinds of people her story, Kaguya literally created the legend from the Bamboo Cutter herself. She is the origin of the Kaguya myth, which Iroha then shows her in the future and inspires her. Every single thing from the myth happens in a way during the movie.Kaguya crash lands on earth from the moon, is raised by an old man (Iroha is described as being basically close to death and feeling old and tired, they even have the old man visual on her twice in the movie), get super popular with the humans, gets a buch of suitors, which are all rejected (or massacred by IroP to be exact) and even the Emperor ("Mikado", literally the character name of Iroha's brother) vies for her hand. She rejects him too, but when she finds true love the moon people come to Earth and completely defeat the humans trying to keep Kaguya on Earth. Kaguya leaves, forgets everything and never comes back.That's where the tale ends, because Kaguya cannot finish the story until she meets Iroha again. The main difference between the tale and reality is that Kaguya NEVER forgets. She remembers and that's why she can continue the tale. Yachiyo is a refutation of the Kaguya myth that she herself created.
You know it's good yuri when one girl has even changed the other's diaper before.
Also also also also... when Iroha saw the "shooting star" at the beginning of the movie she made a wish for money so she could live on her own without hardship.When Kaguya leaves, she gives Iroha all the riches she amassed as a streamer as a parting gift. She is literally her shooting star fulfilling her wish!HOW DOES THIS MOVIE HAVE INFINITE LAYERS?!
>>4520640Compared to the dubs in other languages, spic dubs are a godsend.
>>4520637Nesciebam Latinam linguam adhuc loqui.
>>4520679Nope, just as bad as any other dub.
>>4520683You haven't heard the Italian dub.
>>4520684Except I did test out 10 languages, Italian being one of them.
>>4520640>>Latinos always overstate their dubs. They will praise even the most basic dubs like they are as good as the Japanese or something.It depends on which country we're talking about or even the era, since we're talking about several countries (including Miami), but let's be honest, dub is made for people who speak that language, not everyone is going to understand it or like it.Personally, I'm sticking with what the movie gave me in its original language and I'm not going to watch any other version, not even in my language (it was difficult enough to find the time to watch it in the first place).>>4520636It makes me think that if this had been handled by other people, the virtual world might have simply been CG.
>>4520673Because Kaguya shared the story of her love for Iroha through the ages, that would also mean that when Iroha names her Kaguya she was unknowingly basically taking the first step. It made Kaguya's extreme reaction to being named by Iroha extra cute on a rewatch.>>4520677It's too rare to have a story with writing this rewarding. Having it all be in service of an yuri love story 8000 years in the making is almost too much for my heart to handle. The more I think about it the more beauty and nuance I discover. I spent the last two days thoroughly consumed by this movie. I want to watch it a 3rd time but I don't think my sinuses can handle any more punishment for now.
>>4520674Wrong this shit was weird as fuck.
>>4520727Wait does this mean that the original story never happened or did the timeline just branched out? Since due to the damaged ship she never emerged as a human 8k years ago.
>>4520729The bamboo cutter story was a result of 8000 years of countless retellings where humans altered Kaguya's story by retelling it until it turned into what exists in the present day. Kaguya spread her love for Iroha across time and everything she did was in an effort to reach her. Watching it again is so tragically beautiful when you consider how much she did to get to the point where she could see her again. If you mean the time travel part this anon explains it simply enough >>4520478.
>>4520725There is a lot of really tasteful CGI in the virtual world actually, especially during the fights. Sometimes its pretty seamless, but regardless their 3D model look so good that it doesn't really stick out.>>4520729By "original story" you mean the literal Bamboo Cutter myth? Anon, mythology isn't real. Princess Kaguya wasn't a real historical figure...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6yAXqs7GpQWorld is Mine is absolutely my favorite song in the movie and I wish they had played the full song in that scene. This remix on the official channel doesn't really hit the same way, but it's still good.
>>4520738This moment where Kaguya joins into the song after throwing a tantrum over Yachiyo flirting with Iroha is maybe my favorite shot in the whole movie.What really makes that whole scene so good is that both songs are describing the relationship of Kaguya/Yachiyo and Iroha so well. The songs are very clearly directed AT Iroha, even though they pretend they are singing to the audience. The way they dance around her and close in makes this even more apparent.
>>4520684I barely lasted through the trailer.>KagÙyaJesus.
>>4520731You can see in the director's feature posted above that they staged the dances and fights in Tsukuyomi with 3D models for the characters then drew over them frame by frame like a digital version of rotoscoping. The director said 2D just feels more intimate to him. The environments and some elements like the giant light fish are CG but they blend in very well I think.
>>4520741Î could still tell I was looking at 3D models in several of the fights, but the redrawing would explain why it felt so seamless sometimes.
>>4520684It's fucking insane how little care they put into their work. AI would do a better job.
wednesday rewatch after work
I love how Iroha acts all upbeat and determined not to let things end like that after the fakeout ending, but once she's faced with Kaguya's situation she just breaks down and admits her true feelings with no more filters. It contrasts her acting tsundere towards Kaguya earlier such as when she accepts her marriage proposal or "holding herself back for the sake of something more important" as Kaguya puts it at the fireworks festival when Iroha and Kaguya herself accept Kaguya's fate of returning to the moon despite it being the last thing they want. Beautiful development.
What else was this dubbed into? I can see Japanese, English, French my side>>4520674>>>/d/
>>4520767Japanese, English, German, Spanish (Latam), Spanish (European), Filipino, French, Hungarian, Italian, Polish, Portuguese (Brazilian), Thai
>>4520767>>4520769I feel like the French Yachiyo voice is sort of the closest to the original Japanese, although I can't understand frog.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nv_WH4OUOdcThey actually did some proper "Vtuber" style shorts for Yachiyo to promote the movie. As someone who used to watch Vtubers, I can say that this is extremely well mad L2D that could fool anyone into believing she was an actual Vtuber. Even the "setting" of being an 8000 year old AI being used as a gag is on point. Editing and sound effects are also very reminiscent of early Vtuber shorts.
>>4520752Why the hell would you rewatch Wednesday?
>>4520775Where is the authentic Windows 95 Web 1.0 promotional website?
>>4520780The movie takes place in 2030.
>>4520782When Yachiyo is narrating her story and mentions how she was able to move her soul into the internet once humanity invented it, they show her webpage from 1995 and a 2ch-style message board from 2005.
>>4520785Yeah but that is part of the plot twist so it wouldn't make sense as promotional material.
Ugh the danbooru bot has made it here too. Actually follow some artists you lazy bum.
An interview with the VAs, from which we learn that, according to the director, Kaguya likes Iroha as a beautiful living creature.https://www.animatetimes.com/news/details.php?id=1769389045
>>4520738>>4520739That song is great and the scene for it is one of the most rewarding ones to rewatch after knowing the ending. It is so moving to understand why Yachiyo was all over Iroha and it adds a deeper understanding to the lyrics from her perspective. I actually enjoyed just about every song except that Ex- one they did at the show together which had the weirdest uncoordinated backing track with a truly terrible 1000 bpm rhythm. I downloaded a different source after the fact just to check my audio wasn't bugged on that copy and I'm still not convinced because I can't understand why someone thought that sounded good.>>4520762My first impression of the last act was overwhelmed by the complexities of a sudden story twist and the fast pace, but after seeing it again and spending more time thinking about it I now see it as one of the emotional highlights of the entire movie. Getting such an unfiltered display of their love for each other and seeing the dedication they have for that love on display through the lengths they go to protect it is gratifying beyond compare.
>>4520890>That song is greatsounds like a cacophony to me, thankfully there were some songs with actual melody too, but revue starlight this was not
Yachiyo's 2ch thread>I'm 8000 years old, AMA>How were the pyramids built?>Just fucking google it.
>>4520926Bet you she wanted to say fluffy pancakes so bad as her fav food.
>>4520879>永瀬:山下清悟監督がこだわっていたシーンのひとつだったのですが、あそこでかぐやが彩葉に惹かれてちょっとハッとするんですよね。それが気になったので山下監督に聞いてみたら、彩葉がうがいをする姿に見惚れた……というか、ここでかぐやは生物として彩葉のことをただただ綺麗だと思ってしまったみたいなんです。Apparently the director was very particular the scene where Iroha gargles after brushing her teeth. Watching it I assumed Kaguya's reaction was to Iroha's words about accepting fate, but she was just captivated by the sight of Iroha gargling. If watch the scene her eyes glisten and you can hear her let out a little gasp. Amazing.
Is this getting a bluray? The compression artifacts were horrible.
>>4520935There are a few listings I've seen for a bluray from 3rd party sellers. It is either a pirated copy people are making fake listings for, or a SE asia release if I had to guess.
>>4520935Get this release, it's way better than what other rippers put out: https://nyaa.si/view/2068172
>>4520906>thinks World Is Mine sounds like a cacophonyFix your ears.
>>4520932The hell
>>4520932I get it. Falling in love with a random and unadorned human trait is extra romantic. It means she loves all the little things about her too.>>4520938I have copies of every release and all the sources were pretty bad at least the x265/hevc/av1 are improved over the earliest x264 releases. The uncompressed BD release is going to be a treat. Can't wait to see it again with perfect visuals.
>>4520739>The way they dance around her and close in makes this even more apparentit was a mating dance after all
>>4520293Netflix financed this movie. Without Netflix it would straight up not exist. Curb your autism and pay the 5 bucks to see a good movie, poorfag.
>>4520159That music/animation video on the 31st has a thumbnail of Iroha and Kaguya holding hands in a flower field. Notably Iroha is wearing the bangle, which means it has to be after the events if the movie.Getting a bonus epilogue for free is so good. Please give us a kiss!!
>>4521050The director said it's going to show everyone's happy ending so yeah, it's set after everything else in the movie. It will use the first song that plays during the credits so it could be seen as the movie's proper credits sequence with more than just the black screen with names and production art.
>>4521057Praying they don't fumble this.
Unsorted thoughts.Time loops can't just pop into existence, so the initial events could not have Yachiyo. What did happen the first time to lead to this? Unclear.The confusion about "how is there two of them" itself is what's confusing to me, because Iroha outright describes Yachiyo as>分身もできて歌って踊れて8000歳って設定who then proceeds to constantly split into like 100 bodies at a time. This is the one part that's made pretty clear. Now, why her personality reverted or if it did at all, I'm not sure.I get the idea behind the ugly as sin live2d vtumor shit, but it makes no sense for a futuristic (pseudo-)AI to use it at all, and considering the main idea behind the character was "Miku if she real", it's just a disgrace.How and why do they have fulldive VR lenses? I get using something like that for purely visual VR for full FoV, but when it basically somehow brainjacks you anyway it seems unnecessary. And particularly infeasible. I probably shouldn't question the sci-fi elements at all but can't help it.I'm not too familiar with the original story, but seems like the elixir of immortality was dropped entirely here. Then again maybe the synth body project is supposed to be that, in a way. And so it becomes a Koukaku no Pandora successor that we won't actually get to see.Last stretch was kinda underwhelming. Kaguya was already back before she even left, but she really wanted some pancakes, so instead of having to defy time and space somehow to save her while keeping Yachiyo (well maybe that would have been too cheesy), Iroha just had to go research synthetic bodies real quick. But there doesn't seem to have been any real reason for VR not to have taste/smell simulation specifically other than so it could lead to this, and I imagine she could have easily implemented that way sooner if it wasn't already done by someone else during the timeskip.Really enjoyed most of the movie, but the ending felt... not bad but somehow off.
>>4521071The time loop always existed. The moment Kaguya decided to leave the moon Yachiyo already existed because of time travel allowing for multiple paradoxical events to occur at the same time. There is no beginning or end and it kind of fucks with free will, so like Yachiyo said don't think about it too much.There are two of them coexisting at the same time because as I mentioned the way each character experiences time is not linear.Yachiyo isn't a psuedo AI, she's just a soul trapped in her ship. She's no different than someone multitasking like a script kiddie with 8000 tabs open.The VR doesn't provide full sensation. There is limited brainwave feedback and input but they don't have taste or touch. Iroha wants Kaguya to have a body to feel her real warmth, so Iroha will never settle for less.I felt a similar pang over the ending until I slept on it and then watched the movie a 2nd time. Now it makes sense and feels good. If you have the time it is worth seeing it again and experiencing Yachiyo's perspective.
>>4521076Realized right as I posted that I worded that poorly. The characters all experience time linearly but the story events are not explainable in an entirely linear way because Yachiyo's travels occur simultaneously during and before the movie, because time travel.
>>4521076>don't think about it too much.Well I can't. Time travel makes zero sense in the first place, so I need it to make some sense.>There are two of them coexisting at the same timeI'm talking about Yachiyo being in the synth body and in VR at the same time, the reason for which has been clearly established and shouldn't even need to be questioned.>The VR doesn't provide full sensationAll the same. The magic lenses they have shouldn't really provide any sensation or allow for crazy action movement, yet they do. Simulating more things would have been a lot easier, and I can only headcanon that the reason she went for the android approach is because Yachiyo assured her it's doable.
>>4521071>>4521080Oh wait a minute.>【実現したいこと】> サイバー空間の中でも味覚・嗅覚・触覚を得られる技術を作ること> を実現できる、サイボーグボディを開発することSo she did consider it but somehow decided a cyborg body would be necessary to do it. As a prerequisite? Requirement? Nope, still makes no sense.I do at least see now sense of touch explicitly mentioned; if there was any mention/implication of it at an earlier point I must have missed it.
>>4521080I am assuming there's some sort of neural connection, that being said there is no feeling to touch/taste/smell. Yachiyo longs to touch Iroha but it was only after 8010 years that Iroha was able to build a body for her.
>>4521089>(1)サイバー空間の中でも味覚・嗅覚・触覚を得られる技術を作ること>(2) (1)を実現できる、サイボーグボディを開発することCircled numbers got stripped.>>4521076>Yachiyo isn't a psuedo AI, she's just a soul trapped in her ship.Forgot to respond to this one. That's exactly why I called her a "pseudo AI" and not an actual one. The point is that she simultaneously controls multiple 3D models just fine.
The post-credit scene makes me confident enough to make a simple prediction: The MV coming out next weekend will feature Kaguya eating Iroha's fluffy pancakes.
>>4521071I am surprised a moron of your caliber managed to type so many words. It's quite the accomplishment.
>>4521049No, when I like something I buy the BD so the money goes to the people who actually produced it.
>>4520333If they had anything released now I think I'd bankrupt myself scrambling to get them all. Nendoroids and pop up parade figures are probably a sure thing, and since this is a netflix production it should garner some scales. I'd kill for a posed couple figure of them watching fireworks holding hands, or a goofy Kaguya and Iroha pose of them at home together. Really just any new merch that isn't the exclusively using the VR character designs would be nice too. I want real life Kaguya and Iroha acrylic stands at the very least so I can put something on my shelf to look at when I'm not rewatching scenes and scrolling for new fanart.
Is there any reason Yachiyo requires sleep?
>>4521132Maybe the same reason I have to restart my PC every once in a while when things start feeling sluggish
>>4521132Scheduled maintenance time? Or maybe she does it because Fuchi had to regularly sleep during those almost 8,000 years she was inhabiting his body so she's used to it and doesn't want to lose another connection to her humanity.
>>4521133You're just ignoring an underlying issue, a stable system should be able to run indefinitely.So maybe she's just not so stable either. Can't blame her.
>>4521132She needed to sleep as Kaguya too, why wouldn't she as Yachiyo? Just because she's stuck controlling an avatar from inside a bamboo shoot instead of popping out of a utility pole doesn't change the fundamental nature of her existence. I think you are misunderstanding what Yachiyo is because the movie tells people that she is an AI supercomputer when she is not.
>>4521135Off-topic, but I know exactly what the big issue is. There's a memory leak in one of the Windows network drivers that comes out when I use torrents over a split-tunnel VPN connection. It doesn't actually matter which torrent client or VPN provider it is.
>>4521138She isn't but kind of is. It is implied that moon people are basically digital, or at least close to that.
>>4521144They said VR is closer than real life, but that doesn't mean they are literally digital machines. If she is a photon based lifeform or something exotic like that it still doesn't necessarily preclude sleep. She exhibits human traits like sleep because she is effectively human in all ways except origin. Plus it made for all those cute scenes of them sleeping together.
>>4521111>I buy the BD so the money goes to the people who actually produced itNo it doesnt lolThat's not how blu-ray distribution works. And you should consider that the amount of views and hype this movie gets will determine whether netflix will ever invest in similar projects again.
>>4521114>any new merch that isn't the exclusively using the VR character designs would be niceUnfortunately the VR designs are the more iconic visual of this movie and Yachiyo would look kinda weird next to the IRL version for Iroha and Kaguya. So I think they are gonna go for the VR avatars mostly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQVOVUxs9yoIt's kinda nuts how this song both spells out the whole movie's plot and is also a character study of both Kaguya and Yachiyo. All while being a ballad directed at Iroha, rather than the audience.Kaguya's parts are reflecting more on what her life was like on the moon and how she now yearns for life with Iroha. Yachiyo describes her lonely 8000 years looking back on her time with Iroha and how on their reunion she cannot help but want her to realize who she is.
>>4520159archiveofourown dot org/works/search?work_search%5Bquery%5D=cosmic+princess+kaguyahttps://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/超かぐや姫!/novelsIt has begun.
>>4521167I think people should hold off on fanfic at least until the epilogue comes out on the 31st...
>>4521166Right? What is crazy to me is how closely I read the lyrics on the first watch, yet missed the plain as day connection because they hid the twist so well and made us so high on Kaguya and Iroha that we wouldn't think how Yachiyo was right there.
>>4521161They're definitely more than just exotic, and generally tech-attuned. Maybe "digital" isn't the right word, but I wouldn't be surprised if the easiest way to describe them from a human standpoint was "AI", even if it's not artificial either. Hard to say for sure since they don't really go into detail.While that still doesn't mean she won't need to sleep once in a while, I wonder why there's a need for such a strict reverse alarm-clock.
>>4521171I think Lunarians might just be extra-dimensional and cyberspace is easier to pass into.>I wonder why there's a need for such a strict reverse alarm-clockConsidering Yachiyo is still transfering her soul into the VR world I assume she gets exhausted and strained. It's really that simple.
>>4521089>if there was any mention/implication of it at an earlier point I must have missed it.As another anon said, there's this scene.
Kinda nuts how we got two amazing yuri movies in January of this year already... there have been no real yuri movies (maybe Omuuro-ke is sort of one?) at all... and then we just get WataNare and Cosmic Princess Kaguya back to back. Though you might argue WataNare's movie is just 5 episodes strung together, while this is a real movie. If you divded it it would be like 7 anime episode tho.
>>4521175>I keep hopingEven with the way the manga is rushing through the story, at least they show her yearning to feel Iroha's warmth.
>>4521173Doesn't explain why she needs to be told when it's time to go to sleep. It's a strange minor detail, and I believe it only comes up twice?Probably no use overthinking it.
>>4521175>>4521177I find the idea of a handholding event pretty ironic if they couldn't sense it. I think it might just be Yachiyo specifically who cannot sense touch, because she has no human body in the real world to feel these sensations.During the fight with Mikado, Kaguya specifically mentions how getting killed in the game "hurts" (which I assume isnt like intense pain, just a bit of a twinge).
>>4521179It's probably like a basic full body haptic feedback suit... without the suit. Not fine enough to feel texture and no temp support, I suppose. Depending on how the VR world is designed there may not even be anything extra to feel in the first place.
Ex-Otogibanashi...
>>4521186Yeah I posted the song with translations here >>4521166
>>4521185They will fix that.
>be so good you get your wife twice
did she not like the het end?is this a parody of something?
>>4520780 (Me)Not official but some madman actually made it: yachiyo.pages.dev
>>4521162I correct myself, buying BDs the money that goes to the people who actually produced it is much more than the money they get when you buy a subscription to a western streaming service, and you get what you want against paying for a limited access to a catalog you don't care about for a single movie that you won't even own, forced in an interface you have no control over, and the only job they do, adding subtitles, is a sloppy job with localizations, wrong translations, political agenda and no formatting (still using srt in 2026).
>>4521235>cries about paying 5 bucks to watch a movie as many times as he wants for a monthYou would probably collapse if you saw the price of watching a single movie in the cinema or on any other streaming platform where you pay to "borrow" the movie. lmaoAlso Netflix has some other good yuri relevant stuff, like Arcane. You get more than your money's worth if you didn't just blindly look at it through the lens of despising as platform for some tribal mental retardation.That whole autistic rant about localisation is hilarious considering the blu-ray will have the except same type of localisation by the way. Pathetic. You should probably just cry yourself to sleep, because being elitist and a poorfag at the same time is not gonna end well for you.
>>4521235>political agendaMask slipped there, bud.
Speaking of localisation, I am confused by the English dub. Some lines in it are just wrong or say the exact opposite of what is actually being said in the Japanese version sometimes. I can't remember all the examples, but some stuff that stuck out:Iroha telling her friends that she is just thankful to her mother for giving birth to her was changed into her saying something about being healthy because she was born with great genes? That entirely misses the point that Iroha feels indebted to her mother, while not actually acknowledging anything but their most superficial connection.Again, there is that scene where Iroha fights Mikado and he talks about how their Iroha should call their mother back for once and he goes on about how Iroha is always too conscienttious and runs away from her problems. In the dub for some reason he instead says that both Iroha and her mother are too bullheaded and always want to get their way, which is why they keep clashing. This entirely misses the point of the exchange, being that Iroha was always giving up her own desires and her mother getting mad at her for not standing up for herself as indicated by the childhood flashback where she yells at Iroha for giving up her role in the school play. Iroha is living on her own and covering her own expenses and trying to get into the best school exactly becuas she is trying to prove to her mother that she can reach her own goals... while actually still just trying to please her mother and running away. The reasons he never picks up her mother's calls is because she knows she would cave in immediately if she talked to her again. And yet she constantly realizes that she is becoming like her mother in several scenes.When Iroha confronts Yachiyo, the latter ends her explanation with "I guess it would be wrong to call this a happy ending?", but in the English dub she says that it didn't go as planned, but they got their happy ending anyway, which is the exact opposite of the point.
A story about how a girl gets over her older women complex (but not really) by marrying her own daughter.
>>4521254Yachiyo is a granny though? If anything she doubles down on her older woman fetish.
Could some kindly anon give me a hand and explain to me who all the historical figures in Yachiyo's flashback were? I am pretty sure these are all historical japanese figutes that I am supposed to recognize, but I'm not educated on Jap history to that degree...I think the little girl is in the ruins of either Hiroshima or Nagasaki after WW2? But who is the random French dude after that? There are flashbacks to other landmarks across the world too, so are they implying Yachiyo crossed the world?
>>4521248I was just thinking how wild it is that netflix is specifically (at least in part) responsible for some of the most impressively yuri focused stories getting funded. Kaguya, Arcane and She-Ra are among my lifetime favorites now and I have to admit despite how much big companies suck this is basically the only production company that greenlights multimillion dollar yuri epics at the moment.>>4521253I noticed the subtitles and dubtitles were different immediately when I used a different release that didn't default to the subs. Not that anyone should need evidence that subs are the correct choice but the dub and its dubtitles clearly adlibbed some scenes and I can't imagine why they felt the need to do that since they would be working from a finalized script. I am hoping someone does proper subs and styles them for the songs so we can watch a more definitive release when the BD source is out.
>>4521267didn't netflix only do distribution for arcane and it was entirely funded and developed in-house?
>>4521267Netflix's EN subtitles for the Japanese dub are 100% accurate, unlike the EN dub, so you don't need someone to do another sub.Like all the scenes I complained about being wrong are actually accurate on the EN subs for any other dub. I don't understand why dubs keep changing the script (I saw the same happen on the French and German dubs), but I guess that's just never gonna change. I still really like the English covers of the songs though. It gives the movie some extra rewatch value (as if it didn't already beg you to watch it at least twice). I just recommend watching the Japanese dub with subs first.
>>4521276They mainly handle distribution so that sounds right. For Kaguya it looks like they signed a deal to co-produce a 3 movie deal and this was the final movie to be released.
>>4521298wtf how do you get this?
To add to the neverending list of details I notice in this movie... baby Kaguya is weating a wool hat thingie that looks exactly like rabbit ears, foreshadowing her look in the VR world later.Also during their first convo when Iroha makes omurice for Kaguya, in the background the tablet shows a Yachiyo stream in which she talks about AGE GAP relationships and says she likes them. This 8000 year old granny really is honest about her desires.
>>4521248The BD of Hanisuka will be 13200 yen for 9 episodes of 3:30 minutes and I'll be getting it so no, the problem is not the "5 bucks".>seriously thinking I give money to western licenseesI don't care about subs, I brought them up just because that's the only job those services do, and despite being the only thing they do they do a shitty job with it.
Has nobody pointed out that Kaguya's (not Yachiyo's) first song is titled I Love You and the lyrics are her manic pixie dream girl's manifesto to Iroha? It's amazing.>>4521316Iroha reflexively opens all the cupboards in the kitchen while in her broken stupor after Kaguya is taken away.
>>4521318Your mental illness is not actually supporting your stance.
>>4521319>Iroha reflexively opens all the cupboards in the kitchenWhich is a callback to how Kaguya was hiding in her cupboard when she first thought Kaguya left her...
>>4521324>supporting the creators and buying stuff is a mental illnessAbout what you would expect by the average streaming services user.
>>4521319>first song is titled I Love You>私は、わたしの事が好き。I love myself*.
https://www.cho-kaguyahime.com/The official site design looks pretty cool, you should check it out.
>>4521340Right, although it's not Kaguya being narcissistic but rather what she hopes Iroha will eventually say about herself and the lyrics are about how she'll help her get there and be by her side forever.
>>4521351I want a book that has nice images of them together interspersed with the lyrics to a song. It would be a nice experience to have a different format than rewatching the scenes over and over again like I've been doing all day every day.
habda what the fuck https://x.com/i/status/2016236752139386892
>>4521355>week 1 doujinThe art understandably looks like it's being speedrun but that's still amazing. Also, nice use of the scissoring handshake on the cover.
>>4520159Pretty kino flick, i wasn't expecting anything good from Netflix but this was good.Also the whole 'this is not yuri' basically dies when the movie makes a point of having Iroha's friends tell her to 'enjoy her summer' because they have not 'found it yet' more or less.Then to follow such gayshit for almost one hour...I do agree it needed an actual kiss, probably by oldKayuga to teen Iroha, for...eh, reasons.
>>4521371>the movie makes a point of having Iroha's friends tell her to 'enjoy her summer' because they have not 'found it yet' more or less.Best wingwomen, they noticed what was going by the beach trip when they mentioned Iroha had become much more cheerful and asked Kaguya how she did it. Shame they made Mami straight making it impossible for her and Roka to also become a couple.
>>4521371>the movie makes a point of having Iroha's friends tell her to 'enjoy her summer' because they have not 'found it yet' more or less.Do you have the approximate timestamp for that scene?
>>45213781h28m
>>4521379Thank you
>>4521226I don't recognize it and haven't seen nips pointing it out. It seems she really is just seething at the het ending.
>>4521226>>4521401She is disgusted that hetness happened in her presence.
>>4520478Oh fuck, it's like that scene from Interstellar.Now it makes sense.
>>4521256The JP sub names them:>神功皇后>藤原敦忠>淀殿>吉原の花魁>明治時代の文豪>花売りの少女>CIAの男性Can't clarify anything beyond that, though.
>>4521421>Yachiyo made a deal with the glowies
This MV better have a lot of hand holding.
>>4521421>CIAの男性Bane?
>>4521439That MV needs 30yo Iroha marrying teenKaguyadroid.
A naked loli and child abuse within the first ten minutes, I knew I was in for something special. You could tell the seiyuu were having fun and getting really into it.
Kaguya won’t settle for 80 yr old Iroha but Iroha must settle for 8000 yr old Kaguya. Damn brat.
Reading through Japanese discussion about the movie, it's kind of interesting to see how closely it tracks with ours. There's a lot of "Wait, this is yuri? How did this get made?" and comments with the same sentiments of "If this is yuri bait, then Your Name is het bait." A few call it gachi-yuri or do-yuri.There were a few other comments I appreciated.>This love triangle becomes a straight line if you change your perspective.>A lesbian harem where she's not trash for two-timing, but for NOT two-timing.>Iroha looks like a high-spec top, but some wicked lesbians have their sights set on her.Several comments talk about how the in-universe Kaguya/IroP fans will be disillusioned when Iroha seems to move on to Yachiyo so quickly.
>>4521347The loading symbol is Tsukuyomi's disco all moon lol
>>4521226The clear intent of the scene is to prep the viewers for the direction of the story. Same with Iroha blankly rejecting a gift in the opening sequence, Iroha fighting off suitors, and other scenes like it. They reiterate the stark refusal of het at multiple points which further adds to how excellent the writers were.>>4521464>This love triangle becomes a straight line if you change your perspective.I really like this.
>>4521464Iroha tops Kaguya once she gets serious but Yachiyo runs a train on Iroha with her 8,000 years of touch starvation.
>>4521464I dunno how the in-universe shippers could tell unless Iroha started making out with Yachiyo in public. 10 years later they literally have the Kaguya revival concert and I am sure that after thar those two are pretty open about their relationship.That does remind me though.... Because android Kaguya is being controlled by Yachiyo, there is no Kaguya VR version anymore. She cant go to Tsukuyomi without becoming Yachiyo again....Unless she puts on a Kaguya model when she VR dives via that body? I think the pictures on the kitchen table post credits actually did not show Kaguya in the Tsukuyomi pics.
Why does she smiles?
>>4521441I mean even during the concert Kaguya's body already looked the same age as Iroha's. They had been going through several iterationa of bodies, so everything (including post credits pictures) indicates that Kaguya got an adult body eventually.
>>4521470They said it was a simultaneous concert irl and in vr. I think it is safe to say the world's technological advances had leapfrogged what we were seeing in the movie.
>>452146380 year old Iroha doesnt have a luscious eternally young bod like a certain princess. Dont want all the hand scissoring to kill her.
>>4521472Cause she get's to relive the happiest time of her life.
>>4521474I assumed they meant Yachiyo would hold a concert in Tsukuyomi at the same time. She can make clones of herself after all.That whole scene was kind of confusing in general. Was that Yachiyo a hologram or was it just symbolic of her also holding the concert in VR? Cant really tell.
>>4521464
>>4521470Check the pics again, there's one of everyone in Tsukuyomi with Kaguya riding piggyback on Yachiyo.
>>4521479Inshallah
Finally watched the movie and the ending just makes me hella sad. The absolute insurmountable loneliness Kaguya must've felt is heart-breaking.
>>4521464>>4521470>in-universe Kaguya/IroP fans will be disillusioned when Iroha seems to move on to Yachiyo so quickly.I also had this immediate thought when they showed the Yachiyo+Iroha mini concert at the start of the 10 year montage. Because from the PoV of a regular watcher, you had Iro-P whose entire thing was supporting and playing instrumentals for Kaguya, fighting to protect Kaguya from suitors, etc. And then what, like a week later? (the couple days of depression + the few days it took her to binge finish the song) after Kaguya seemingly graduates and quits being a streamer, she's now just Yachiyo's instrumentalist.I would definitely think there had been some sort of drama or breakup behind the scenes, or that Iro-P and Kaguya hadn't been as close as they seemed and were just business yuri-ing.
>>4521491I mean with Kaguya completely disappearing from all social media they must assume that she got really sick or something or wanted to vanish from the public. So Iro-P who already collabed with Yachiyo just continues her passion. Though I bet fans keep asking her what happened to Kaguya.
>>4521476>can craft the perfect body for your waifubot however you want>still keeps her flatI thought Iroha was supposed to be smart.
Oh…
>>4521230>5. What are your hobbies? Thinking about making something and playing games. Always thinking about the person I like.>6. What are your special skills? Waiting~ (laughs)>7. What is your favorite food? Omelette rice! I also love doodling with ketchup>8. What food do you dislike? Pancakes made with just flour and water… (;_;)>9. What is your favorite color? Purple and green! Just thinking about them puts my mind at easeThis makes me want to cry forever. And the gallery is just images reminding her of moments with Iroha and fluffy pancakes. Even the gag website for this story is peak.
>>4521501Iroha knows that flat is justice
>>4521521I dont think that's them chief. That pic has been around for a while.
>>4521501Kaguya isnt even flat. Modest B-cup tho.
I ended up ordering each of the new books hoping to get the a store exclusive but even though they were still showing available it was apparently out of stock so I didn't get any of the cool bonuses. So I just ordered another set from a different store to hopefully get those bonuses instead and now I'll have two copies of each book. I looked at all the other merch and so far the very few unique items are in person exclusives or sold out. There are a lot of new acrylic stands coming out in 4+ months for some reason so we may be getting other new designs later this year.
>>4521529>Purple and green!Thanks doc.
hnnng.
>>4521587How many levels of age gap is this?
>>4521592She gives her an adult body after this. So just one layer of age gap. A gap of 8000 years.
>>4521592Not enough yet.
It's been long enough since release to cool my head. I can confirm they're one of my favorite couples ever.
>>4521579The idea is that the character designer of the movie, which was in production for three years, may have taken inspiration from Iroha and Kaguya for that Yuri Hime cover.
why is kr always so fast https://x.com/i/status/2016443884604416152
>>4521582Which books? The novel that'll be released this week?
Is Kaguya's robot body fully functional? Can she squirt?
Something interesting I noticed is that there are two scenes in which Kaguya's hair and eyes return to their natural muted color. One is when she takes care of sick Iroha. I assumed it was related to her mental state of being worried for Iroha to the point where ahe couldnt keep the vibrant facade.That is kinda interesting because to me it implies that when she has to return to the moon she has genuinely made peace with it and she can stay positive.
just finished my rewatch. still so fucking good, i really love this movie
I think I'll rewatch it in a week. I need to let it marinate.
>>4521421Some of those are pretty vague. "poet from the Meiji era" "courtesan of Yoshiwara "Flower girl". And why us the so called CIA agent flying in a plane with the French flag?
By the way, I read Yachiyo can be read as "8000 years". Subtle.It does put that exchange towards the end of the movie into context though.Iroha: "How? How are you always smiling?"Yachiyo: "Because I am Yachiyo."I think with the name's meaning she is essentially saying her experiences over the last 8000 years have helpes her keep a smile. All the people she met who encouraged her and whose lives she's touched gave her strength. That's also why she seems wisee and milder in age.
>>4521625I feel it actually gets better on your second viewing because you can absorb ao much more information and see the details you overlooked.In fact I find the movie almost endlessly rewatchable. I've seen it 5 times now and still find new details!
>>4521660this time around i was paying a lot more attention to yachiyo. the songs meanings were even better on a rewatch too. great movie, will probably rewatch it in a month or so.
>Japanese Woman (27) Charged with Defrauding Investors in Scheme to Build Robot Wife
>>4521674Her main investor is her brother who is all in on his sister's robot wife plans tho.
I cant believe it, but did you know the entire movie is just on Youtube...? Some guy uploaded the whole thing 5 days ago and its still not taken down. Impressive.
>>4521697Prior to release I did not expect the yumebait rival guy to turn out to be the most supportive yuribro in existence. What a pleasant surprise.
>>4521701It's interesting. While het romance and attraction are mostly treated as negative or a gag in the movie, its male characters are actually treated quite fairly. They are inoffensive or downright likable because they are supporting the plot and furthering character development without being villainized (I dont count the suitor war, that was just a funny gag montage).I mean yeah, outside of Black Onyx you only got Iroha's homeroom teacher and her dead father as male figures, but even those two are good examples. Dad was enouraging Iroha's passion, while mom clashes with her. The homeroom teacher is supportive and actually seems to understand Iroha's troubles, but is not so involved that he tries to lecture on what path to choose.I am totally fine with yuri ignoring the existence of males, but I think this movie showed how to integrate them properly. Family is generally also a lot safer than most other positions, so having big bro be the central male figure was smart. Making him very obviously not interested in Kaguya, but rather focus on his sister's troubles alao diffused most of the tension we otherwise would have had. I can totally see an alternate universe where they made him a genuine love rival and it would have sucked.
>>4521607The comic, novel, and guide book. Costs about 5000 yen for all 3. Not bad although the guide book is only 80 pages unfortunately. Hoping for a full art book to come out next.>>4521655All those scenes put a historical spin on the bamboo cutter tale to tie it to real events, showing how people helped Yachiyo travel safely in time back to Iroha. The plane scene takes place after WW2 and the CIA was very active in international conflicts in that era so it is difficult to say which one they referenced from this single image. My best guess was that it is a reference to the "French Connection" which you probably heard of because it was turned into a relatively famous movie in the 70s. It was kind of a stylized movie and the way they showed the CIA guy makes this very likely the reference they used. It basically involved covert flights used to smuggle drugs and other things around the globe, and France was used as a main transit hub hence the name. Makes sense that she would need more sophisticated travel plans when navigating the globe in modern times to avoid being discovered.>>4521657Runami Yachiyo where Yachiyo is a poetic way of saying forever since it sounds like "8000 generations" or years and Runami is written with the kanji for Tsukimi which is moon viewing. Interpret the name as a poetic whole and it is 8000 years gazing at the moon. Such a clever movie in every respect.
>>4521711CIA guy is shown recovering the box with Kaguya's ship from some dark storage room. Since it's right after the post-World War II scene I get the feeling Kaguya lost the box in the chaos of war and got help finding it again. Maybe she even kept contact with the CIA and they assisted with the computer setup in exchange for whatever virtual tech she may develop? It's fun to think about.
>>4521596You're not a real e-celeb if you aren't caught doing stuff with minors
I haven't updated my yuri age gap chart in years and thought this was the most righteous justification to revisit it. I used Iroha's pre-ending age since the majority of the movie takes place at that point in time. Yes I know some of the data points are missing for some series and it obviously isn't to scale or you wouldn't be able to read it
>>4521723If time travel counts as age gap than time loops like MadoMagi and Wasureenu majo should count too.
>>4521725Someone from 1900 traveling to 2000 without experiencing the time in between would not be a 100 year age gap, but Yachiyo traveled to 6000BC and aged 8000 years because time still flows linearly for her. A timeloop usually means that someone is reliving a smaller segment of time nonlinearly until the loop is broken, so 100 years of looping does not increment their age even though they experience additional time. It's a different phenomenon but I'd be happy to make exceptions and chart it with a different color if someone provided accurate sources for the data.
>>4521730Technically, being an entity trapped inside some kind of virtual reality also doesn't make you physically age, it's a mental kind of aging, and that's the same thing that happens with time loops where the characters are aware they are looping.Ayaka said herself a few times during the story that at 16 years is like she's 80 years old because she experienced every day 5 times on average, and then she spent thousands of years trying to save Michiru.
>>4521723Not to mention we don't even know how old Kaguya really was before her first time on earth. She could have been 100 or even 1000.
Be ready to cry
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>>4521587Nice of them to have Iroha showing off that she's wearing the wedding band after the timeskip as well as in the upcoming MV.
>>4521711>The comic, novel, and guide book.Hopeless question, but are they in English?
>>4521740Not yet. I'd expect Kadokawa will since they own the magazine that published the manga. Probably will get announced in the spring if I had to guess but it will be a long wait because translating stuff is always slow. The novel is a lower chance in general although it may happen since this has a higher visibility and budget than your average series. It is my most anticipated release since the novel has a different POV and thus new material.
>>4521711When you'll read the novel please report here how it is. I need to know if there is something more than the anime to decide if it's worth buying it or not.
bruh why are Yachiyo and blonde Kaguya both existing at the end ? I thought they were the same person ??
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>>4521758I think the ending ruined it for me. like there's the whole thing with Iroha accepting Kaguya even though she has changed over the course of 8000 years but then they cop out and create another Kaguya with her original personality ? this shit is so ass, it reminds me of the end of Xenoblade 2 in a bad way
>>4521763No, the same entity (Kaguya/Yachiyo) is running the robot body and the Yachiyo avatar.Kaguya was afraid that Iroha loved Yachiyo more, and Yachio thought she was an old woman who couldn't be who her younger self was to Iroha. But in the end Iroha recognizes that they're one and the same.
>>4521765why the hell is she running two "bodies" and playing two different persona in real time ? this almost feels like an admission that "Yachiyo" alone can't make Iroha happy because she's not the same as beforeI hate this so much. it was a 10/10 until this crap in the ending and I'm depressed now
I'm just going to pretend that Kaguya went back to being a bratty retard when she gets installed in the robot body.
>>4521763>>4521768It's Yachiyo herself who dearly missed being Iroha's Kaguya, it's in all her song lyrics and shown by her deciding to take on Kaguya's appearance in Iroha's old apartment when telling her her story because it felt nostalgic to her. Iroha experimented with several bodies with the previous one being called YC Type, most likely standing for Yachiyo Type, but noted she was more compatible with the Kaguya body, implying once again that it's Kaguya's own wish. And the virtual Yachiyo still existing is necessary to run Tsukuyomi, she can't simply peace out and leave it unattended whenever android Kaguya isn't logged in. Please don't compare it to Xenoblade 2, Iroha is in a relationship with one person, not two oh wait let's make it three because fuck it we were feeling extra fetishistic that day.
>>4521757>>4521768Please stop posting cat reaction pics. This is not allowed on /u/. Pics must relate to yuri.
>>4521734This. It seems aging isn't really a thing on the moon. Or at least time is so dilated that Kaguya can do work for what is like 80 years on earth without aging a day. For all we know she has been stuck at her crappy job for centuries before she ran away the first time.
>>4521622What's the other scene?
>>4521802So she's an OL.
>>4521355>Yachiyo and Kaguya force Iroha into a threesome>Iroha tops bothGenius>>4521601I've noticed in general that this movie seems to attract a lot of Koreans. I see so many Korean videos about the movie and every comments section on CPK videos tends to have Koreans in it. It's strange, because I rarely ever see this happen with other yuri projects. Maybe the vocaloid attracts them?
>>4521781thanks for your insight, that makes me feel better about this endingbut it stills rubs me in the wrong way how the're suddenly trying to make it look like some kind of three way relationship just at the end, intentionally or notlike it's meant to be a love story between 2 people, couldn't they think of a less awkward way to portray it ? why are they showing us photos of the 2 Kaguya together with Iroha, both in real life and tsukuyomi ? am I supposed to think it's wholesome ? >>4521799ok sorry
>>4521819> it's meant to be a love story between 2 people, couldn't they think of a less awkward way to portray it ? why are they showing us photos of the 2 Kaguya together with Iroha, both in real life and tsukuyomi ?I think visually it represents that Iroha has accepted both sides of Kaguya and that neither is invalid. The persona of Kaguya and the persona of Yachiyo both carry different meanings to the outside world, but to Iroha they are one and the same, her beloved.
>>4521440Tell me about this girl. Why does she wear the kigurumi?
>>4521732It depends on the time loop in my opinion. Someone who loops the same day infinitely has very limited capacity to actually grow and age. There is not much you can do in a day. If the loop is shorter it's even more limited. What matters here is AGENCY. You need enough time to meaningfully interact with the world.If you are looping your entire life? Yeah sure then that's actual mental aging.Yachiyo's "loop" is not an actual loop from her perspective. She is just going in a straight line. That's why she is aging progressively. Homura is going through a big chunk of time between each loop depending on quickly things turn to shit, so she has a bit more wriggle room too.
>>4521823"Gee Kaguya, why is your index finger so long?""All the better to finger scissor with, my dear."
>>4521807>It's strange, because I rarely ever see this happen with other yuri projectsI think that's partly an algorithm issue on your end. I see lots of Koreans making fanart for the yuri media I follow
>>4521827Fanart is a different beast, but I don't see this kind of groundswell on youtube usually.
>>4521819If you could control multiple bodies and sandwich your girlfriend between them, why wouldn't you?
>>4521781The first rewatch made me fall in love with the lyrics, and now that I am rewatching individual scenes again it is all the expressive animations for Yachiyo that are melting me. The hidden emotion and subtle gestures she displays speaks to her eternal love and it is so precious.>>4521819Iroha loves Kaguya and Kaguya loves Iroha. They are the most textbook pure romantic display of fidelity imaginable. Their romance was so storied that it was literally written into legend. Kaguya's love and devotion are fabled through time because all manner of ancient peoples were in awe of it. Their story is not over, and now Iroha's dedication to protect their love is the first page of the new cute little doodle book of their life together. If you didn't digest Yachiyo's origin on the first watch you should sit with it longer or watch it again, because the movie is absolutely a new experience the second time around. Now every time I see a picture of Yachiyo, Kaguya and Iroha I only see two people in love.
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>>4521807It's a simultaneous worldwide digital release for a movie, and even dubfags get to ruin it for themselves on day 1, so the hype manifested as a shotgun blast. This seldom happens in general.
The scene would have been even more peak if this had happened.
>>4521178It's like the low battery alarm on your phone. I don't see how this is confusing.
>>4521164Seeing the same trend in fanart. It's like 85% the VR designs. The rest is mostly irl Iroha and Kaguya. Unfortunately we don't see much art from their concert designs, which in my opinion are the best version of all three girls.
Every goddamn frame in this movie is intentional.
>>4521919I wonder if it is just because people are drawing yachiyo more and the VR character design was by a different person than the irl designer so they don't fit together as easily.
>>4521937I mean regardless of who designed what, Yachiyo is out of place in most irl scenarios. So if she appears in fanart you expect it to be with Iroha and kaguya's VR versions.
I can't post the shot here, because this is /u/, but something people noticed is that Mikado actually cheats in the game. Like he is straight up hacking. He isnt using it during fair battles, but during the fight against the Lunarians a console pops up that shows he is raising his own stats aritificially. Also that scene where he recovers from damage is clearly him abusing the system. He is doing it to keep fighting for Iroha and Kaguya though, which is pretty cool. Another instance is when he hacks the game so he can see Mami's username and call her directly as if he knows her. A neat trick for some yumebait boyband character I guess. But it's interesting how Tsukuyomi is structured in a way where people can't just see usernames. Iroha could call herself IroP, because nobody knows her username unless she wants them to. Makes it feel a little more real when you gotta learn someone's name.
>>4521940They show the whole command prompt box with the hacking code if you want to stop and check it out. He eventually gets swatted by Tsukuyomi's cheat detection which is another hint that Yachiyo is guiding things along so that Kaguya gets taken back to the moon.
So can this movie be considered a success for Netflix, Colorado and Kadokawa?
>>4521941I interpreted it differently. I think Yachiyo allowed him to cheat, because she doesnt ban him even after the cheat console pops up. You never see him get defeated either, it's just too late when the Lunarians already reached Kaguya and stopped Iroha. I agree to an extend that Yachiyo is not trying to stop the outcome, because she knows it is inevitable. She already displayed that she can actually fight and subdue any invaders into her realm with ease when they attacked during the first concert. She was clearly lying about not knowing how the Lunarians are hacking into Tsukuyomi too. She doesnt help at all during the final battle, which is a huge indicator that she doesn't see a point in it. But she lets Iroha and the others give it their best shot so that they feel like they did all they could instead of just rejecting their plans.Ultimately if Yachiyo had blocked the Lunarians from Tsukuyomi (if that is even completely possible), they would have just destroyed its servers or wreaked havoc across Earth. This was the safest outcome.
>>4521941They would never be able to win. She wasn't making it happen out of fear it could be stopped
>>4521945>I interpreted it differently. I think Yachiyo allowed him to cheat, because she doesnt ban him even after the cheat console pops up.He does lose the powered-up form.
>>4521951That wasnt a powered up form, that was him heavily injured (you can see bruises all over his body). I interpreted that as him using a recovery cheat so he won't have to respawn.
>>4521952You sure? It had longer horns, a more elaborate armor and all.
>>4521942Due to the fact that it can only be streamed on Netflix you dont really have conventional box office or anything to go by. A success here is mostly how often it was streamed. Which again, is a bit limited by only being on one platform and many people simply pirating it. From Colorido's perspective they got the movie financed by Netflix and are getting very positivie reception and animator/musician spotlights so that is definitely a big success.Kadokawa... I guess that depends on spin-off media and merch sales. We will see about that later.
>>4521954Well when he powered up his looks didnt change, but regardless of whether it was a new form, he was injured and then suddenly fully recovered. Would be a weird side effect for getting his cheats removed imo.Either way it would be odd for Yachiyo to intervene that late into the fight when it was already hopeless.
I can't stop seeing more and more insane connections... remember when Iroha said that the outcome of the Yachiyo cup has clearly already been decided ahead of time?Yeah no shit. Yachiyo knew the outcome for 8000 years.... ahahahhgg
>>4521781>Iroha experimented with several bodies with the previous one being called YC Type, most likely standing for Yachiyo Type, but noted she was more compatible with the Kaguya bodyI thought the same thing and it would make sense, because kaguya's soul seemed to rebirth in the exact same form she had on the moon, but Yachiyo's body is an avatar she created specifically for Tsukuyomi, where your form is doesn't matter too much. Of course in real life the Yachiyo body wouldn't be as compatible with her soul.
EVERY. SINGLE. FRAME.She is doing the gay hand sign on her own while singing about longing for Iroha!! In the first real appearance of the movie. AHHHHHHThis is literally just on screen fo like half a second so it is night impossible to notice tooAHHH
>>4521958Maybe the YC type was just way too heavy, since we do have Kaguya remarking her Kaguyabot version is already heavy.Much as Iroha would want to have sex with Yachiyo's likeness in real life, she knows she would die. Guess they're still stuck with virtual scissoring where Yachiyo's concerned.
>>4521960Which begs the question... now that Yachiyo has a body that she can also apparently log into Tsukuyomi with, can she sense touch in the VR space via the body? That is like 3 layers of convoluted, but it would be neat.
>>4521959It's hard having to read subtitles and not being able to focus on all the visual details, especially during songs.
>>4521961It's possible they implemented feeling simulation into Tsukuyomi in those ten years already.
There's so much fanart.
>>4521967Uh no, I'm pretty sure touch is already a thing in Tsukuyomi. It's just that Yachiyo in particular has no body to feel anything, so she could never simulate touch even if she logged in.
Iroha's research material on robotics.
>>4521975So basically Kaguyabot is her physical rehab machine for her digital brain-soul?I highly doubt this is the case though since she is able to coordinate her movements perfectly when handscissoring with Iroha, which would be really hard without any sensation of touch.
>>4521993The fact that she cannot feel anything is supported by her own words though, just like there is evidence that everyone else feels haptic feedback in the VR world.
>>4521855I don't understand moonrunes
>>4521995And you are too lazy to use a translator too it seems. Kaguya is responding to chat asking her to marry them. She says she is already marrying IroP so she can't. Iroha says she isn't against it, but clearly feels embarrassed about the public declaration.Also a bunch of red superchats gets send right after (implying everyone is confratulating them on the wedding).
Can someone explain to me what the phone call with Iroha's mom was about just after kaguya got taken to the moon and she was about to finish her father's song? it seemed important, but I cant think of what the point of that was, other than showing Iroha being willing to talk to her mom again...
>>4521959That's amazing.>>4521964Yeah, I tried to give the English dub a watch to give myself less to focus on at once, but couldn't get through it. It's not awful, and some of the localization are well done, but it has some script issues. Iroha talks about her parents several times in a way that implies her father is still alive. I think they were trying to show that she wasn't sharing her family details with others, but it comes across as deliberately lying rather than just leaving out information. The proposal is also kind of flubbed. Iroha's response is less shy/embarrassed/happy and more a confused, "sure, I guess I'll live with you."
This movie is so dense with extra things to pick up on. The pink sea creature on Yachiyo's outfit that Iroha also uses for her icon on social media is Opisthoteuthis calypso - the flapjack (pancake) octopus.
>>4522016YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING MEEEEEWhile we are talking about the octopus, Yachiyo's hair is designed to both look like bunny ears same as Kaguya, but also like the ocotopus or other sea creatures.
>>4522016>>4522022It goes three layers deeper than that... The octopus is literally part of the time loop.Iroha uses it as her icon and as her phone keychain because she is a Yachiyo fan and that is her symbol. But the reason Yachiyo most likely made it her symbol is because she remembered Iroha using the octopus as her social media icon and keychain...
I really, really, really want to see Iroha's first log-in to Tsukuyomi. I know the Yachiyo there is supposed to be just a tutorial program, but there is no way in hell she wasn't specifically waiting for her appearance.
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>>4522030>>4522029If that's what happened, Iroha would have made like 100 avatars.
超かぐや姫! 公式ガイドブック ハッピーエンドのその先へ!https://www.mediafire.com/file/3nk0f1wplc2hdkc/超かぐや姫!+公式ガイドブック+ハッピーエンドのその先へ!.zip/file超かぐや姫!https://files.catbox.moe/yz6r9p.epubhttps://files.catbox.moe/im47c4.pdf
>>4522032Is there an epub reader for Windows that can can actually display Japanese LNs with their vertical text? Because I don't know what the fuck Calibre is doing. I can't get it to show more than the first page of every chapter.
>>4522035Nevermind. Shouldn't have tried a version I still had from 2019.
>>4522035Firefox has a downloadable extension.
>>4521936Is there anything dorkier than a keytar?
>>4522032
>>4522046Dorks are the gayest of all. So that tracks.
>>4522047You got any more pixels for us?
>>4522051
>>4522054Back to work, wagie. You can go see your girlfriend in 80 years if you're quick.
>>4521919I have to respectfully disagree. The concert outfits may be peak, but I think each of the girls has one better look. Iroha = summer festival yukataKaguya = princess Kaguya kimonoYachiyo = identity revealed straight hair down look
>“Yeah. I think they still can’t stand the fact that they’re definitely not getting any grandkids.”
>>4522047Machine translation:"A second-year high school student in the same class as Iroha. She loves makeup and fashion, and is also active as a beauty-focused influencer under the name “ROKA.”She’s a striking beauty with a cheerful, sociable personality. She harbors special feelings toward Iroha, and even notices—and worries about—how she uses polite speech even toward others, but she hasn’t been able to take that feeling any further or act on it."Wow.
>>4522059Do you always blog with your mental demons like this? Because this has nothing to do with anything.
>>4522059I do feel bad for their grandparents. Iroha should make science babies both fot herself and Kaguya and Akira and Noi.
>>4522067Can you believe that I did get that vibe from her in the movie?
>>4522067A yaya?
>>4522071Frankly, I got that impression from both her friends. No, listen to me. I know Maki is acting all yume for Mikado. But she has several lines that point out she finds Iroha hot and it feels like they are going for the "bislut who is into both siblings" thing with her.Roka definitely struck me as gay, but I felt it was more a general thing and less specific for Iroha. There is a lot of skinship between her and Mami in the background that made me think she was actually into her.
>>4522068It's a confirmation that Iroha is gay.
>>4522068It's an excerpt from the LN adaptation. Adult Iroha is talking on the phone with her brother about how their grandparents don't like that neither of them will have children now that her brother revealed to them he's dating and living with Noi.
>>4522081How about the part where she dates a girl? Is that confirmation that she is gay?>>4522083Thanks for giving context at least.Wait what the fuck? I thought for sure Noi was dating the taciturn silver haired dude.You are telling me the rumors that all yumebait dreamboys are gay were true? The fujos also won? In my yuri masterpiece? I guess this movie really delivers to all. Yurifags, fujos, Sakugafags, Vocaloidfags and Vtuber scum. Movie of the decade.
>>4522085>taciturn silver haired dudeThat's Noi's brother
>>4522089They literally look nothing alike, but oh well. I learn so much stuff I never cared about. I hope those mysterious grandparents who didn't help their lesbian granddaughter when she was barely scraping by paying for her own expenses in Tokyo will seethe some more about her alien/android/idol girlfriend, while Iroha becomes rich, wins several prizes for her scientific contribution and becomes a top idol in her late 20s for some reason while dating probably the biggest VR space owner in the world.
Anyone knows that official art promo thing that was an illustration of Iroha, Kaguya and Yachiyo doing a heart together?
>>4522090Iroha will win them back by visiting them with her and Kaguya's android yuri baby.
>>4522092Are you sure you aren't mixing it up with fanart? I don't even know how you would do a heart with three people.
>>4522092This one?
>>4522092>>4521298?
>>4522099(me)Saw it show up in few twitter posts and on reseller sites, can't find any announcement on it tho.
>>4522099>>4522101Yeah, it's this one. I saw someone post a better photo, though.
From the novel:>「彩葉」>現実の肩に温もりが乗った。頰が肩が胸が背中が、温もりに包まれる。>かぐやだ。かぐやが抱き締めてくれていた。>目が開けられなかった。これが最後だとわかったから。>膝から力が抜けていく。崩れそうになる身体をかぐやが支えてくれた。>いつの間に、こんなに大きくなったのだろう。あんなに小さかったのに。手の中に納まるほど>だったのに。お腹が空いたと泣いていたのに、外に出たいと泣いていたのに、遊びたいと一緒に>いたいと泣いてばかりいたのに。今は私だけが泣いている。>待って、行かないで。>まだしたいこと、いっぱいあるって…… 。>「…… 大好き」>どさっと何かが配信部屋の床に落ちる音がした。膝が崩れて座り込む。>自分の身体を抱き締めた。その身に残ったかぐやの最後の感触が消えないように。>肌が悲鳴を上げるほどきつくきつく握り締めたけれど、それでも、温もりはゆっくりと消えていった。
>>4522032Novel translation when?
>>4522067Ha, everyone but Mami is gay. >>4522073Indeed, time to update the chart.
>>4522112Goddamn. I was sceptical of a light novel adaptation of a movie, but this is good. The author knew just what to focus on for maximum damage, and it ties beautifully into what happens later.
Honestly someone with good JP maybe can enlighten me, but I have read the LN and the guidebook seems to imply that they treat the bot Kaguya and Yachiyo as 2 distinct entities which kind of contradicts the LN. For the dialogues of what happened prior to the end you only have 1 Yachiyo waiting for her body discussing with Iroha. Then later they want to split her into 2 is ... a choice, I guess?
>>4522104It is an in-store only item at animate. Not sure why it is in store only but JP stores like to do wacky stuff like that all the time.
>>4522104Best pic I have
Justice for Roka. Give her a girlfriend in the epilogue MV, Yamashita.
>「やっと追いついた」>大好きなかぐや。私のかぐや。長い長い時間をかけてヤチヨになっていったんだね。>「追いついたのは、私の方……」> 耳元でヤチヨが囁ささやいた。>「ねえ、彩葉。彩葉の顔がとても綺麗でさ。私、すぐ好きになったんだ」かぐやのような声で囁いた。
is the light novel in person only currently? wouldve loved to buy it but can't find it on cdjapan, though i haven't checked other websites so excuse my retardism.>>4522134holy shit
>>4522153I have it preordered on Amazon JP.
>>4522153It is sold online at all jp bookstores. You would need a forwarder or proxy unless you want to wait for easy shops that do that for you like cdjapan to catch up.
>>4522155link please?>>4522156how much of the merch is sold online?
>>4522157www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4047387347
>>4522157 me>>4522099is it possible to get this one without paying millions through mercari?>>4522158Thanks.
Damn, now I have to rewatch for a 10th time to pay attention to Roka's feelings getting crushed.
>>4522163I feel like some of you are making a bit too much out of "special feelings"
>>4522083So another product that has no problems saying explicitly that two boys are dating but two girls will be always left in the untold limbo?
>>4522165It's explicitly saying that they're living together and that neither Iroha nor her brother will have children. It lets you piece the rest together yourself. With all the "I love you"s it's 100x more explicit between Iroha and Kaguya.
>>4522163While a lot of Japanese viewers complained about it not being released in theaters, I saw some that pointed out how well it takes advantage of the streaming format. Not just the fakeout ending, and stuff you have to pause to read, but how it almost seems to be made with the expectation that you'll watch it twice (and more).
>>4522167So they don't explicitly say they're dating? The LN doesn't go further than the movie?
>>4522165The text doesn't literally say he and Noi are dating. They're treated the exact same as Iroha and Kaguya.>>「正月にお祖父ちゃんお祖母ちゃんとこみんなで行ったやろ。私と二人きりになった時にさあ、「足掬われんようにな」って言われて」>> 静かな研究室の中、私は兄との通話中だ。>>「私もうええ歳やのに、まだそんなこと言わはるん!? て。びびったわー」>>「まああん人は死ぬまでそんな感じやろ。俺もこないだ久々にメール来たから『おーっす!』て返しといてん」>>「もしかして乃依くんとのこと?」>>「せや。未だに孫なし確定なん嫌みたいやわ」>>「なんやそれ~」>> 私たちは声を上げて笑い合って、待ち合わせについての確認をしてから通話を切った。あれから十年。研究者となった私はあれよあれよと気づけば所長の肩書きまで得てしまった。私が自立したと看做したのか母からの長文お説教メールや無遠慮な連続着信電話も鳴りを潜め、あるのはたまに会った時のお小言くらいだ。>> ブラックオニキスは今も変わらず活躍中だ。お兄ちゃんは乃依くんと暮らしてる。雷さんはいろんな国を見てみたいって、オフになるとずっと旅行してるみたい。芦花は大人気インフルエンサーになって、今ではブランドのアンバサダーとして街中の広告に映る存在だ。真実は大学を卒業すると高校の頃から付き合ってた彼氏と結婚して双子のお母さんになった。みんな色々と大変なことはあるけれど、近況を聞けばいつも楽しそうで、心の底から嬉しく思う。
While the novel is indeed very gay it kinda went in a weird direction with Iroha's perception of Kaguya. It definitely can give the vibe/resemble a mother-daughter relationship, while Iroha is also simultaneously depicted as wanting to be/in a romantic romantic relationship with Yachiyo.Given the guidebook and interview I can only say that was certainly a creative choice to combine both the emperor and the parents role into 1 with Iroha and will certainly raise some eyebrows from the average non /u JP fans of this when they contextualise everything and realize it essentially boils down to Iroha wanting to fuck her own 8000 year daughter.
>>4522172Writing this and still refusing to explicitly acknowledging gay couples, while they have no problems talking about a minor character nobody cares about getting into a het relationship.
>/u/ - Does the pretty boys are dating -
>>4522173Nah, it just made Eroha a reality, she wants to marry her own adopted daughteru that is a 8000 moon princess.
>>4522177The MV that is coming out this saturday is 5 solid minutes of unsimulated lesbian sex by the VAs.
>>4522186Nobody called them pretty, Sterosaurus.
I don't know if /a/ is trolling or trolling themselves or something else, but the Kaguya novel seems completely gay.
>tfw Iroha compares her dad's love for her mom with her love with Kaguya in the novel.
>>4522195I haven't seen anyone there say otherwise. What do you mean?
>>4522196Why can't they simply say "we're dating"? Why is it so difficult?
>>4522195Everything that's being posted is legit, you can check the novel out yourself from the links on /a/.
>>4521226After the novel info we are getting, this is just Kaguya raging at a het couple.Based
>「ダメ?」>その顔止めて。ライブの後の興奮をはらんだ妙に色っぽい顔で言われても、ダメっていうか、無理っていうか、法律っていうか…… 。
>>4522204Calling it an 色っぽい顔 but it's just Kaguya's regular face...
>>4522206She's probably stuck thinking of this face.
Didn't the het girl say that she was going to "play for the other team" during the one CTF game? I assumed she was referring to switching her sexuality.
>>4522204>法律>no gay marriage in 2030 either
>>4522177>Writing this and still refusing to explicitly acknowledging gay couplesThey literally confess their love, multiple times. That is an acknowledgement of gay couples
>>4522172Well the brother has a ring on his left ring finger in the final scene. Wonder if that plays into anything.
>>4522085>Vtuber scumDespite the clear intention, it felt moreso like sci-fi VRChat + the usual idealized depiction of MMO. Trying to stuff vtubers into a universe where anime girls are already real is always stupid, but when literally anyone can get a high quality custom VR avatar with zero effort, it becomes something else entirely.
>>4522067>Come across the character PV>The first thing Roka says is how cute Iroha isI love how obvious it is, yet how oblivious most of us are toward her feeling for Iroha.I also originally confused why the movie focus on Roka for a bit here, but now it is pretty clear because she has feeling for Iroha and this is one of Iroha big moment.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c_QUMs0xC_Q
>>4522112This is legit more painful than the movie scene...
>>4522200It's just not the sophisticated East Asian way of speaking about things. We tend to beat around the bush even for innocuous subjects by default.
>>4522168The movie doesn't really portray it that way and that's what 90% of people will exclusively interact with, so it's not gonna be a big deal. I haven't read the novel, but eh, it's kinda warranted a bit with her being the creator of Kaguya's body at least. Not that it makes the romance any worse for me.
>>4522173>preferring Yachiyo over Kaguya for sexIt's also telling how in the movie epilogue Iroha specifically tried to make a Yachiyobot first and only fell back to Kaguyabot when that didn't work out.
>>4522177Motehrfucker, do you constantly say you are dating when you are dating? This is just trolling at this point. They confessed and live together and won't have grandchildren. It's all excplicit. The fact that they arent married is because of Japan's stupid laws. They just acknowledged a side-character getting married, because that's what happened. It's not doing it to make the het more explicit.
>>4522202How? Does Kaguya mention her seething hatred for hetshitters? I just assumed this was some adaptation of the Bomboo Cutter myth where Kaguya marries the emperor and doesnt go back to the moon, which she considers a bad ending.
>>4522217No, that was just some random NPC. Mami was already on team IroP/Kaguya. Literally.
>>4522272I don't think that was the point anon was making. Also she obviously wants to fuck Kaguya.
>>4522272Or, it's kinda obvious that Yachiyo is used to her current self, so they were trying to accomodate that. But turns out her soul is still Kaguya shaped.
>>4522272That wasn't the point i was trying to make but I think the movie is consistent in that Iroha was indeed more infatuated with Yachiyo's appearance. Also the first bot is still Kaguya's, Iroha just made many bot bodies along the way. The novel also has some pretty interesting information about the moon, the nature of Lunarian, the 8000 years, why Yachiyo needs to "sleep" in Tsukuyomi.Also did you know before the bots were made Iroha just let Yachiyo kinda control her body / they share sensory experience? That sure makes for some interesting schlicking times.
>>4522295>Also did you know before the bots were made Iroha just let Yachiyo kinda control her body / they share sensory experience? I guess that explains that one shot of Mami having a helmet on that fries her brain... It was actually supposed to overlap senses?But that's weird... in that case Yachiyo inside Iroha's body could have just eaten pancakes and tasted stuff early, making the exchange we see in the movie pointless?
>>4522067>限界でも平静を装うようすを気にかけていたが、踏み込めずにいた。Sounds more like>It always pained her to see Iroha acting like everything is fine even when it was clearly not the case, but she could never bring herself to say it out loudStill gay though.
>>4522298Tbf that part depiction in the novel was kinda weird and is more akin to how Iroha perceive Fushi in reality like in AR.
>>4522302Uhm... ok? So senses arent overlapping, but Yachiyo is just visible to Iroha in the real world? That is not at all what you said previously though.
>>4522298The pancakes thing was handled like shit in general.>that's it, I have to develop a cyberbody so Kaguya can eat pancakes among other things>no compromises>the body is made/revealed (not even the first one)>taste still doesn't work>movie ends with no more pancakes eaten
>>4522304Not really. The point was that there was something to work towards. It's their main promise for their happy ending. I assume the epilogue MV will have the pancake eating scene.
>>4522303Yeah my brain was fried and it was most likely some kind of AR thing
>>4522307That's far less extreme at least. Kinda explains why Yachiyo is visible in the final comeback concert scene. Iroha probably improved the VR contact lens tech to the point where you can perceive stuff from Tsukuyomi in reality. So everyone at the concert who wears the lenses can see Yachiyo on the real life stage.
>>4522092>>4522126That isn't a heart, that's a uterus. Guess they are birthing their happy ending now...
>>4522306It's just that if I am to believe it was an actual requirement, I'd like to at least see it pay off. Would have been a much better way to end it than the confusing live performance opener as if taken straight out of an idol anime. Maybe the MV will compensate, but being an MV I imagine it won't even have any dialogue.
>>4522322Lots of MVs, especially the artistic ones, have pauses for dialogue where it matters. But you dont need dialogue to see kaguya eat pancakes anyway.
>>4522322Oh and might I add that in one of the pictures on the kitchen table at the appartment you can see kaguya drink soda. That implies she can taste by the point of the concert, so the pancake thing probably already happened.Which makes sense, because the body we see in the lab is teenage Kaguya, but the body at the concert is an adult version of Kaguya (with insanely long hair).
>>4522325>>4522329We'll see, I guess. But as for the ending, it's not that I specifically wanted to see her eat pancakes but rather that ending the movie on the opposite of an intimate scene wasn't a very good idea if you ask me.
>>4522339The actual end of the movie is Yachiyo and Iroha goofing around at the end of the narration, laughing together, which I think is cute.
>>4522304Even the after credit scene of the movie is about eating pancakes so it will definitely be in the epilogue MV.
The novel's version of Iroha's gay panic when Yachiyo talks to her personally after the concert is actually divine. She is so obssessed. She literally does a "Ka-waii-su-gi-ruuuu!!!" shout inside her head when she sees loli Yachiyo.
>>4521580Oh well, as we are overanalyzing every single part of this movie anyway, might as well talk about bust sizes.So Kaguya is pretty flat, though by Japanese standards I guess this counts as a B cup.What's interesting is that Kaguya gave herself a visible buff when she made her Yachiyo avatar.And it seems that Iroha also buffed her a bit for her final adult version of Kaguya's body (though we have less shots to compare).
>>4522392On a side-note, I actually really like how utterly this movie avoids sexualizing the girls. They are barely showing off their bodies at all most of the time and they always wear shorts at home in the real world, never gratuitous pantyshots or anything.The most sexual design is the doggirl announcer from the VR world with her gigantic cleavage and she clearly gave herself a hornybait design on purpose for popularity. It's just really nice to see a movie that so clearly appeals to otaku and idol culture with zero creepiness.
So is this the first original yuri movie in history? I can't think of any other movies with explicit yuri that's also original.
>>4522395That depends on whether you consider Utena "original". It is technically a part of the anime series, but it's also an anime original.
>>4520481This joke hits harder now.
>>4522399You think in an alternate universe where kaguya never appeared, Roka would have stood a chance at getting with Iroha?
>>4522400I doubt she can take advantage of Iroha's mommy instincts, so her only chance is going the alluring idol route.
>>4522400All it really takes is for someone to push Roka to actually get involved with Iroha properly instead of longing from the side-lines. Iroha is desperate for any kind of affections and solace and if Roka was a bit more pushy she can probably break iroha's evasive nature.>>4522408>her only chance is going the alluring idol routeConsidering the epilogue said Roka became a make-up model or whatever, it's probably not too far off.
>>4522392Tbf to Iroha, I think to the public most would only know Kaguya as a person, so she would have to give her an aged body. Her lab colleagues and mother would probably have a lot of uncomfortable question had she introduced her 16 year old wife as well.
>>4522419I wasn't really making a statement about giving her an adult body, I was just saying she buffed her bust. There are plenty of adult women with B cups.
Nips on twitter have been going wild about Roka's guidebook description since they woke up.
>>4522429Any links? This yaya never could've seen it coming how hard she'd lose.
>>4522432Check out this one who actually called it: https://x.com/JeO72dq8au33663/status/2016954679629128087
So these are the earlier designs for Kaguya? They decided on more of a dumb baby instead of a hot gyaru?
>>4522442Hot gyaru doesn't really capture the infinity dumbass engine that is Kaguya. They probably wanted cute rather than stylish. Though Iroha still calls her gyaru Kaguya for choosing to be blonde.Also the bangle being a literal chain is just too on the nose...
>>4521936I love how the angle Kagu creates with her arms is perfectly capturing only Iroha. Mastahpiece
Iroha's monologue right before the fakeout ending is a bit gayer.>…… 彩葉。>瞼の裏で、かぐやの笑顔が見えた気がした。>私のかぐや。ありがとう。あなたがなぜ、私のもとに現れたのかは今もわからないけれど、あなたは私を救ってくれた。あなたが私を変えてくれた。>不思議だね。かぐやとはいろんなことがあって、いっぱい怒って、いっぱい腹立って、いっぱい困らせられたけど、それでもずっと、最初から好きだった気がする。かぐやはどう?>瞼の裏のかぐやは、何も答えずに笑っている。>私、かぐやのこと忘れないよ。何年経っても何十年経っても。いつかこの笑顔が瞼の裏から消えてしまっても、絶対に忘れないから。>私、かぐやとの思い出を胸に、前に進むよ
>>4522453I think my favorite thing that the novel adds is how Iroha keeps calling her "my Kaguya". And not in response to finding out who Yachiyo is, no, she says this before that. "My Kaguya". It's so possessive and gay and I guess also a reference to her making a distinction between the myth and her girlfriend, but nevermind that part.Also yeah she just straight up says here that even though she was often annoyed with Kaguya, she actually has loved her since the beginning. Black on white.Okay, she used "suki", which can also just mean like, but come on.
Hmm, now that the novel states that the story start around July, I feel a bit bothered by that. Kaguya leaves during the end of September or start of October, so they only got 3-4 months with each others. I really thought the story started around spring. Then they would have had at least half a year.
>>4522460It was pretty clear that it started in summer, summer break begins almost right away.
>>4522462The movie is always really vague about how much time actually passes. And Iroha also wears her school uniform a lot even when there shouldn't be school, which just exacerbates the problem. I only know that summer break starts and that the Lunarians first appear on the day of the concert which is the middle of September.
>>4522436Found these too:https://x.com/oori_5/status/2017088378496496021https://x.com/kagetane180/status/2017022984691851343
Huh. Characters from CPK! will appear in Virtual Sanrio Puroland. https://x.com/SANRIO_Vfes/status/2017055215430881512Is that a sign that this movie made it into the cultural zeitgeist or what?
https://x.com/yamahasynth_jp/status/2017115561637876058/photo/1No, you don't understand. Yamaha's Creation Store Popup collab with CPK was extended by over a week due to overwhelming popularity. Japanese companies HATE spontaneously changing schedules.Also all merch is sold out everywhere.This is popping off harder than almost any original work has in a while. And it doesnt even air in cinemas.
>>4522500I feel kinda bad seeing nips who mention the stores they went to only received one or two copies of the novel and they couldn't find it. I just popped onto Amazon yesterday and got it and I can't read Japanese.
Reminder that the director pulled several high profile veteran animators from all over Japan and the world to work on this movie instead of their scheduled projects, which is why this movie is absolutely insane visually. That's the kind of pull only a One Punch Man season 1 has gotten in the last decade. And on top of that he got a huge chunk of the most prolific Vocaloid song writers and Honeyworks to collab on the movie. All the covers in the movie were made by the actual creators of the original songs. And ryo/supercell even wrote the movie's original theme song "EX Otogibanashi", which frankly, is the best song in the movie and his best work yet.
>>4522506The "famous shounenslop animator yearns for the lily" pipeline begins here.
And suddenly it became a harem
Iroha can't handle more than 2.
>>4522529
>>4522514Didn't you get the pic yourself? Shouldn't you know?
>>4522482I wanted to set this as my wallpaper but it bothers me too much that she's wearing the bracelet on the wrong arm and I can't mirror it because the beauty mark under her eye is on the correct side.
>>4522537It's... a bangle... you can take it off and put it on your other arm whenever you want. Unlike the beauty mark. It's fine.
>>4520159This scene. Just this scene. They got what it's like to tear up so right. Iroha slowly shaking her head, the deep sigh as the tears start streaming. The crack in her voice.And Yachiyo's response with tears of joy and relief as her face flushes and her voice shakes.Cinema. Cinema! This is the level of care I want from every yuri animation.
>>4522544>Cinema. Cinema!Unfortunately it's streaming. Streaming!
>>4522547That's for the best. If it had aired in cinemas first I would have had to watch a bad recording or a movie rip on dubious pirate sites with the worst quality or wait for months. This was way more convenient.
>>4522539I like to think she intentionally wears it there because it reminds her of how Kaguya held on to her.
>>4522552Speaking of muh parallels.
>>4522548ideally we should have both
So Tsukuyomi has over 100 million users right? How does that stack up against the most popular online games today? Fortnite or whatever. I remember that it was a big deal when Marvel Rivals had like 20 million users around launch. Tsukuyomi itself having that many users is more believable when you remember that Kassen, the MOBA is just one part of its whole thing I guess. You get 20 million players who like that game and then a few million who just like the life sim aspect. And then there are Vtubers and music producers and stuff like that too with all their fans logging in just to interact and watch them? It's also international yet someone everyone speaks Japanese of course.
>>4522560The best comparison would be a whole MMO platform like Roblox rather than a single game. Roblox has 150M daily active user and 380M monthly ones (unique account that log in at least once a month). Concurrent player peak so far is slightly under 50M.
>>4522561Huh, so it's actually pretty realistic, especially when there is a monopoly on VR stuff.
>>4522547>>4522548Actually it had a limited screening on opening day.
KaguYachi, the Forbidden One.
>>4522567Is it incest or masturbation?
>>4522563So limited that literally nobody seems to know about it...
The biggest piece of fiction in this movie is when Kaguya claimed she got those giant totempoles and tiki statues from the friggin 100 yen store.
>>4522571cheep plastic shit made in china
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How are all the artbook stocks online already gone? It only released yesterday.
>>4522591Print quantities for books in japan aren't unlimited like american mass market paperbooks. Most semi-popular series will sell out their first printing around release as well. They'll reprint this though so it isn't going to be hard to get.
>>4522591dammit, i was trying to wait until i got paid but now i have to wait for the restock...
>>4522628Why do some artists upload as a video file now? Is it a new trend?
>>4522638Elon added some annoying features
>bite mark on Iroha's collarboneJesus.
15 hours left to the MV. What are you hoping to see?
>>4522641I don't care about getting a kiss but I do want them to get married
>>4522642You want the thing that doesn't work at all because of the Japanese law and doesn't actually mean anything other than that the government acknowledges you legally, instead of the thing that is easily achievable and emotionally and physically meaningful?Marriage is completely overrated and won't enhance their relationship at all. But we never saw them kiss and that is a really strong expression of love that shows they progressed beyond handholding.
>>4522640>plot twist, it was Fushi
Even if it's not legal/official, some symbolic wedding bands would be nice. Surely they don't need to be afraid after seeing the reception to SuleMio.
Whoever noticed it is right, Akira is wearing a ring on his left ring finger (and no other anywhere else) during the ending. Noi keeps his left hand in his pocket the whole scene so we can't see if he has a matching one. Iroha's comment about Kaguya's marriage proposal not being legal is made in 2030, it's possible that it is legal by 2040.
>>4522641I'm probably going to cheer when it opens with them eating fluffy pancakes. I'm really hoping to see some of their domestic married life with new displays of physical affection like when she was combing her hair or sleeping together. With the amount of care they put into every single tiny animation I'm expecting anything I could imagine will pale in comparison to what they are cooking up though. I wanted to rewatch the movie again before the MV comes out and I'm torn if I should watch the MV the moment I wake up or save it for rewatching right after the movie ends.
>>4522570https://natalie.mu/comic/news/652811It was just one screening session at 6pm in Toshima. Only 20 lucky people got in.
>>4522742That's too goddamn limited! I can do that in a pub's basement by projecting Netflix on the wall and I would have a bigger audience!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaVqeNrfyD4They're releasing a special cast video at the same time as the MV. Probably won't have much since it is just going to be much more than them saying how much they loved playing their characters but it could have some interesting behind the scenes direction revealed.
>>4522795Look through the thread before posting... >>4522513
I feel like we are maybe putting too many hopes on a single music video. It's what, 5 minutes at the absolute most? Music videos usually pass by very quickly. And unlike story driven MVs where a lot can happen quickly, this is just some SoL epilogue, so I can't imagine it being as dense as the movie. Imagine them wasting 2 minutes on random shots or transition animations.Just tempering expectations is all.
>>4522638Otter dislikes twitter but can't stop eating it.
https://x.com/serienfullmoon/status/2017244007978750445This art is amazing. It uses xitter's thumbnail feature to mess with your heart. This wouldnt work anywhere else, which is why I'm posting the link instead.
I did want more live concert fanart, but this is really above and beyond!
So is the reason Yachiyo uses so many Frenchisms because she traveled with the French CIA agent? I always wondered why she randomly used terms like "Non non" and "A la mode".
First week since release Cosmic Princess Kaguya's popularity ranking on Netflix is:Top 7 most popular movie worldwideTop 4 most popular movie in JapanTop 1 most popular movie in Taiwan
https://mantan-web.jp/article/20260129dog00m200001000c.html>中心にあるのはかぐやと彩葉の関係です>At the heart of it all is the relationship between Kaguya and IrohaDirector interview came out. Has some interesting tidbits. Mentions that madoka was one of the sources of inspiration.
>>4522874>also inspired by Your NameLooks like I have high media literacy for making the comparison myself.
>>4522876Even someone who hasnt watched Your Name (because it is het garbage) can tell the inspiration, just visually.
Only a few more hours till the wedding MV.
>>4522874He also cites Summer Wars as a comparison, which makes a lot of sense to be honest.The most interesting part is the motivation behind making the story like this. He says that when characters change suddenly, at the author's convenience, it's really frustrating and makes him mad. But he thinks that a character who strongly changes over time is heartbreaking and sad, so that's how we ended up with Kaguya -> Yachiyo plotline.
>>4522872They really do love yuri in Taiwan.
>>4522827Is there a reason Roboco from Hololive is there...?
>>4522905>Robocowhore
>>4522905I mean, it's sort of a movie about vtubers.
Which songs sound the best to /u/?I'd go with:>Very good:ReplyRay>Good瞬間、シンフォニー。>Okay星降る海>MehRememberメルト >Badthe rest
>>4522910Yeah but... isnt it a bit random? It's not like she is part of the cast or even remotely involved. Maybe if she was the interviewer, but that feels pretty unsuited for a random streamer.
>>4522911There are no bad songs in this movie.
>>4522905She did french kiss a girl before. Twice.
>>4522911>Remember that lowWhen you digest the entire movie that song with Reply basically hold the entire movie together, so I can only say you have shit taste, anon.
>>4522916Don't take the bait. The idiot put Ex-Otogibanashi and World Is Mine in the bad category. He is trolling.
>>4522916As I said, I ranked them by how good the songs "sound" to me, not by how well the lyrics fit the story.
>>4522920Part of what makes a song good are the lyrical skills of the songwriter. Disregarding the song text for some random vibe nonsense is basically a pointless topic.
>>4522921I merely asked out of curiosity, it's a criteria like any other, like comparing which scene has the best animation.
>>4522922Your criteria suck and so does your taste. I also have an inkling you didn't listen to any full version of these songs and are going by the movie excerpts.
>>4522925I ranked by how they sound precisely because I've been listening to the soundtrack since the movie was released, and I noticed which ones I tend to appreciate more.It was just a whim, no need to stress over this.
>>4522928I refer you to the first sentence of the post >>4522925
>>4522929And I refer you to the last of the post >>4522928?Did I touch a nerve or something?
>>4522931Considering you intentionally pretend not to get the point and are using generic ragebait stock sentences now I think you are a bit too seethrough. We are done here.
>>4522932>We are done hereI'm glad.
chapter 3https://mangadex.org/chapter/b0e25657-0743-4a8a-8e8b-56a266cf1fb0
>>4522936The pace of the manga is rushed, but I think a few things are actually a little more fleshed out too, because they are said more directly rather than just being subtle visual information. Some things I like about this chapter:-Iroha is like 120% more gay for Yachiyo in this, which I didn't even think is possible-The framing of Kaguya asking Iroha to play her music and her remembering her father saying music should be about having fun is way better here than in the movie. It really drives home that Kaguya is returning joy into Iroha's world-I mean it's not important, but at least we learn big bro's name in this one. I don't think the movie ever revealed his real name-The scene where Kaguya shouts that she will win the Yachiyo Cup conveys a bit better that it was all about being jealous and wanting Iroha's attentionIn general I think if you just go with the flow of the fast paced events of the movie you might not question what the actual goal is and why it even happens. But the Yachiyo Cup is basically the crux of the movie and the ONLY reason Kaguya goes this hard at it is purely because she felt jealous when Iroha fawned over Yachiyo. It's always about Iroha.
>>4520159The MV starts now!
What the heck was that... there was so much stuff in there that made no sense... like Kaguya hugging child Iroha? Or Kaguya in a school uniform going to school with everyone?Also why did they dig up a Lunarian spaceship?? HUH?
I'm only more confused now, great.
>>4522949This felt more like a collection of deleted scenes and scrapped plot points
Great MV but now I'm super confused lol
>>4522952I feel like at the very least the spaceship on the mountain is canon and has some kind of significance. Maybe... it's the first spaceship? The one she used to come to Earth the first time?What if... they are using the tech from that intact spaceship to create a proper body for Kaguya the same way she did the first time?But if that was the solution the whole robots angle would be pointless. So maybe they are just digging it up as a memento?
>>4522949>Kaguya hugging child IrohaMedia literacy doctor here. It's symbolism for Kaguya helping Iroha get over the lingering trauma of her father's death. Also getting Iroha out of the closet.
>>4522958I get the symbolism, but it's not portrayed like a fantasy, it looks like it was an actual scene.
>>4522958that's what i thought, but it didn't really seem like a "dream" sequence? maybe i'm just overthinking italso could anyone translate picrel?
For reference, she typed out:>回りくどく――>私の真意を率直に述べさせていただ(きます?)>私はかぐやを本当の意味で>人間に
>>4522956In the movie, the mountain scene where naked Kaguya was calling out for Yachiyo was depicted behind a cage if bamboo trees - the implication is that the 'mountain' (and everything else behind this bamboo wall) is within the spaceship, and not a real mountain.
>>4522962still dont understand what 人間に meansMTL just translates it as "To humans"?
>>4522964Probably the start of something like 人間にします, i.e. make her truly human.
>>4522965naruhodo. very interesting and super gay. btw could the missing characters in "回りくどく――" be ない? I swear that the first character after the second ku looks like na
>>4522962>>4522964Basically she's writing that her intention is to make Kaguya into a human in the true sense of the word.For that it seems she needed to dig up the spaceship?Either way we're supposed to assume she'll succeed.
>>4522964It's a common kind of sentence cut-off that's easy enough to extrapolate, so what >>4522965 said.Still up to some interpretation, because she doesn't say anything that would actually translate to "literally".
>>4522968Feels like the opposite. They're burying the spaceship because Iroha succeeded.
Alright, I will compile everything that stood out to me and then go through them one by one...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=356MRZ6P5h0-Iroha and Kaguya go to a mountain with a torii gate and dig up a Lunarian spaceship-Some kind of summer/ocean themed live show with Iro/Kagu/Yachiyo-Mami and Roka are wearing idol outfits/dance outfits so they actually got to participate in one of the live shows-child Iroha is getting comforted by her mother when the dad was still around and she was a lot softer clearly (what is the sticker on Iroha's cheek about?)-a bunch of scenes of Iroha's family when they were still happy-Iroha writing chats to Yachiyo on stream/dms-Kaguya looking out a window from the moon to Earth-Kaguya in a school uniform with the other girls having fun at school-Kaguya is at first jealous of Iroha liking Yachi's streams, but then eventually seems to make peace with it-Yachiyo going through the ages showing even more historical moments she was involved with-dream sequences that show Kaguya embracing crying child Iroha-The scene where Yachiyo is embraced by Iroha shows Kaguya's old self being hugged instead-A scene of Kaguya who traveled back in time seeing the destruction of war and despairing-Some scenes of adult Iroha and kaguya living together at their appartment-The threeway heart finger pose in all its finished glory
>>4522968>>4522969super interesting. i do believe the full sentence would be something along the lines of;>回りくどくない>私の真意を率直に述べさせていただ(きます?)>私はかぐやを本当の意味で>人間にしますgranted, i don't know much japanese, especially kanji to really say so, but it makes sense with DeepL, despite obviously MTL having a possibility of being wrong.I do think that the MV is basically implying what the above text says, iroha wants to make kaguya human in the truest sense of the word, so they go to find the unbroken ship that kaguya originally used at the start of the movie, and iroha will use that ship to try to make a real human, and like >>4522968 says, we're supposed to believe that she succeeds.
The mountain also represents Japan's highest peak from the tale of the bamboo cutter. The emperor burns his letter there hoping the embers wil reach Kaguya on the moon. Don't know what its presence represents here.
>>4522968>For that it seems she needed to dig up the spaceshipOr that was just Iroha writing a scientific dissertation before she made the robot body, since there's constant flahbacks and flashforwads during the whole sequence, it might not even be related to the ship thing.>>4522972I didn't notice them carrying the ship around.
>>4522959> it's not portrayed like a fantasy, it looks like it was an actual scene.It notably has a border effect that the others don't.
>>4522972If it's a parallel with the rejected immortality elixir - to signify Kaguya is longer immortal - it still seems like a weird thing to do.>>4522974回りくどくsomething doesn't really add anything to the context, but in a full formal sentence it definitely wouldn't be just ない. And 述べさせていただきます is very formal.
>>4522973>Iroha and Kaguya go to a mountain with a torii gate and dig up a Lunarian spaceshipSo yeah, this anon immediately hit the nail on the head >>4522956Whether the "truly human" part is correct or not, they are most definitely digging up Kaguya's first spaceship, which symbolically landed on a mountain, which fits the bamboo cutter story with the last wishes to Kaguya by the Emperor being burned on the mountain alongside her gifts.An alternate take to using the ship to recreate Kaguya's body is that they are burying Yachiyo's ship because it served its purpose now that Kaguya's soul was transfered into a proper body.Notable about this scene is that Kaguya speaks in a soft and slow voice, similar to Yachiyo. This was something I was interested in from the start. Whether Kaguya would keep some of Yachiyo's mannerisms.
>>4522981>回りくどくsomething doesn't really add anything to the contextThe meaning is pretty clear despite the cropping, she's writing something like "I'll stop beating around the bush and state my intentions clearly: I'm going to make Kaguya human."She's probably writing some kind of professional report or record.
>>4522986Yeah I mean it's just that the full line doesn't really matter when we already have the second one.
>>4522981>>4522984>An alternate take to using the ship to recreate Kaguya's body is that they are burying Yachiyo's ship because it served its purpose now that Kaguya's soul was transfered into a proper body.This was my impression. I think the importance is the reason behind it. In the original, the emperor has the immortality elixir destroyed because it's useless: what good is eternal life without your true love? In this case, they can bury the ship because it's no longer needed, as they're finally together again as humans.If this is the case I'm not sure how I feel about it, I was rooting for the eternal life together route.
>>4522973>Some kind of summer/ocean themed live show with Iro/Kagu/Yachiyo>Mami and Roka are wearing idol outfits/dance outfits so they actually got to participate in one of the live showsI find this one a bit confounding, because Mami and Roka are with them at this ocean concert, but this is clearly adult Iroha and Kaguya, yet Mami has her normal hair instead of her short adult haircut. But this is inside Tsukuyomi, so maybe she just picked that hair. None of them are sporting animal ears so its definitely a restyling of their avatars after all.>Kaguya in a school uniform with the other girls having fun at schoolWhile we are at it, this scene also takes place in Tsukuyomi, so that explains why Kaguya can wear a school uniform and pretend to go to schoolConsidering this is high school Iroha, it's probably in the past.
My take TL note: take means bamboo in Japanese is that Iroha made Kaguya mortal and they're burying the spaceship. Kaguya's soul isn't in the ship anymore and is fully in her body. Yachiyo is just a virtual copy.
>>4522984This screenshot actually perfectly captures an important detail. Kaguya is weaing a phone around her neck with Yachiyo looking through the camera. Why is she doing this? I get that she is both in Tsukuyomi and the body, but is there any reason to bring both? Does she actually need a permanent online connection to move the body?In that case if they were truly burying Yachiyo's spaceship, then who is controlling the Yachiyo avatar in the VR world? After all that thing was connected to the servers so Yachiyo could exist...
>I did it, I killed everybody for the yuriAre the novel's spoilers already over? Isn't there anything better than what's been already posted? How does it end?
>>4522988>8000+ y/o alien not going anywhere>android bodies now a thing>perfect replica of a human body with mind transfer now a thing maybe?>let's bury the alien spaceship and die in like ~60 yearsNot buying it. What's Tsukuyomi running on, anyway? Wasn't the ship/Kaguyachiyo basically its "core"? Is that also not needed anymore?They just had to make it more confusing.
>>4522992This scene is literally from the novel. Yachiyo reminices about seeing all kinds of wars and human horrors and that's one of the reasons she wanted to create Tsukuyomi, a fun world where nobody has to suffer.
>>4522991Maybe it's more metaphorical? Kaguya is carrying the phone because Yachiyo is with her, not in the ship, because they're solidly one person now?
>>4522993Tsukuyomi runs on normal computer servers. The ship was just connected to it so Yachiyo could enter it and play admin.
>>4522992The novel ends stating that Iroha and Kaguya are close to achieving their happy ending. What we see and can infer from this MV is that.
My god anons here had no media literacy. Go read the original Bamboo cutter tale and the ending couldn't be anymore clearer.They are burying the spaceship because Kaguya is a human now and is ditching her immortality - this is a reference to the Emperor burning the immortality elixir on Mt Fuji.
These parts are all at the end in succession, so they're probably all happening at the near present time and related to each other.
>>4523000This isn't a matter of media literacy, it's just a reference that you either have the context for or don't.
>>4522995I dont really get it in the context of the actual scene though. If they are one and the same, then >>4523000Well Mr. Fake Media Literacy, how did Kaguya become a true human then? Which ship are they burying, Yachiyo's or Kaguya's? Why is Yachiyo still with them if Kaguya became fully human?
>>4523001First scene is Kaguya ecstatic that she can finally sit on Iroha's face without risking to crush her under 100kg of robot ass.
>>4522996But how is she supposed to do it now? EoS? "Graduation" and a switch to regular administration (recipe for disaster)? Kaguya digitalized so she's actually an AI now?We can only guess.
>>4523003Shit I deleted the other half of the sentence...If they are one and the same, then how is Yachiyo around? Is Kaguya logged into Tsukuyomi at the same time and has Yachiyo's avatar even though the ending of the movie showed that she has a Kaguya looking avatar too?
>>4522991>Does she actually need a permanent online connection to move the body?They may be just streaming the whole thing.
>>4523006I at first thought the final shot of Tsukuyomi with Yachiyo on all screens was meant to be her graduation stream, but there is no text and everyone is acting the same as usual, so I guess not.Honestly, I am not convinced about the whole burying the spaceship thing myself.
>>4523008Uhm... what? Streaming to who? The fucking public? I don't think they are gonna reveal the whole Kaguya/Yachiyo/Alien thing.And that would still imply that Kaguya is controlling the Yachiyo model to stream this in the first place.
>>4523001>Kaguya's eyesAgain, these are the soft eyes Yachiyo always makes. So they are definitely confirming that she keeps her Yachiyo personality, which does occasionally have some kaguya like moments.
>>4522995They were never not one person. They only exist as "two" people prior to Kaguya's return to the moon because Yachiyo is overlapping what she's already done, and they only exist as two people afterwards because Yachiyo is able to split herself across copies as she does frequently during the movie.>>4523003>Which shipThere's only one ship in existence. The one Kaguya tried to use to return that got knocked off trajectory. The one she used the first time ship "landed successfully" (slammed itself into the power network and converted back into data where it had the energy to create a physical body for her). Which is what the "yachiyo" ship was also supposed to do, but it was damaged and only had enough energy to make Inudoge's Fushi body.>>4523007>how is Yachiyo around?The same way that Yachiyo was constantly in multiple places throughout the movie. She can duplicate herself and be in two places at once.
Can anyone make out the full text here? It's something like Yachiyo comforting her about her mother?
>>4523015>The one she used the first time ship "landed successfully" (slammed itself into the power network and converted back into data where it had the energy to create a physical body for her)Nope. You can see an energy beam coming from the sky which shoots into the electircal lines. The same way InuDoge was turned into a sealsug via energy. The ship itself is probably intact and landed somewhere else. Its trajectory was completely off for it to have landed on the powerline.>She can duplicate herself and be in two places at onceThis no longer applies if you believe Kaguya got a human body now. That ability was clearly something Yachiyo only could do because she had no physical body. If the ship gets buried and kaguya is human, then she can only have one normal avatar in Tsukuyomi. Yachiyo would cease to exist as we knew her.
>>4522973-Iroha writing chats to Yachiyo on stream/dmsNice timing anon >>4523017On that topic, this is also a reference to the novels. In the novels Iroha has inner monologue about how she used to constantly vent and ask for advice from Yachiyo on her streams/DMs.In the novel she makes quite clear that Yachiyo is the only reason her mental health hasn't completely collapsed. It's nice that they are showing this off in the MV. It adds some depth to why Iroha is in love with Yachiyo.
>>4523015>There's only one ship in existence. The one Kaguya tried to use to return that got knocked off trajectory.So they went and retrieved the ship from wherever it was stranded for 8000 years, then carried it by hand up a mountain, and buried it?I suppose lunarians use light materials.>The ship itself is probably intact and landed somewhere else.Even if that's the case, isn't that ship kind of irrelevant? The relevant ship would be the one that holds Yachiyo's memories/data.
>>4523017彩葉、いままで本当によく頑張ったね。偉いよ、ヤッチョ涙でてきちゃう。まず深呼吸してみようか?すーはーすーはー、ゆっくりね。うん、大丈夫だよ。彩葉と彩葉のお母さんは世界の見方がまったく違うんだと思う。それは悪いことではないし、彩葉のお母さんへの気持ちも大事にしてあげてほしい。ただ、一緒にいると彩葉の
>>4523022>So they went and retrieved the ship from wherever it was stranded for 8000 yearsNo, Yachiyo's ship is in the appartment with all the severs... we already saw it in the movie anon.>isnt that ship irrelevantUnlike Yachiyo's ship it is fully functional and should still have the ability to creat a body with data/energy. So as long as they can somehow fuel it, in theory is could recreate Kaguya's body again, using the soul from Yachiyo's ship.
>>4523020>Nope. You can see an energy beam coming from the sky which shoots into the electircal linesThere's no reason to believe that isn't the actual ship hitting the power line head-on and converting into energy based on how the scene is animated.
>>4523026You are literally making this up though. The actual trail across the sky the ship took didnt go down like that, so you are speculating with less evidence than I do. To me it seems Kaguya shot her essence into the power lines from the descending ship.
>MVのとあるシーンの補足ですが専門知識を持った彩葉が許可を取り近未来技術で岩盤を溶解化して掘っているので現代の皆さんは絶対に真似しちゃ駄目ですよ! >許可を取り近未来技術で岩盤を溶解化して掘っているPossible confirmation they're digging it up after all.
Speaking of the concert again, I assume that this screenshot takes place during the summer/ocean concert... which implies that somehow InuDoge and Fushi can exist simultaneously in the 10 years later timeline. HOW??? InuDoge left with Kaguya... it... it literally became Fushi.
>>4523028Not exactly. You need to dig the hole even if you wanna bury the ship.
>>4523028Not really, she'd need a digging permit either way.
>>4523022The ship is in Yachiyo's apartment, where she logs in to talk to her and Yachiyo explains how she is Kaguya. It was retrieved way back in the past, you can see it in the scene after Fushi tells the people to "go west", you see people place it in a box and close the box. It was kept safe by various peoples and then installed in the apartment and hooked up to the internet. >>4523020>an energy beamThe ship IS "the beam". It's just streaking. You can literally see the leftover bits of it (bottom two frames, pic related) as the impact hits, and then the telephone pole completely and totally undamaged afterwards.
>>4523032Ok, I did miss that frame. I guess the ship got fully converted then... That definitely kills the theory.
>>4523029Is it so outlandish to assume Kaguya just got another one? After all this cyberpet thing seemed pretty easy to buy online.
This expression...
>>4523036InuDoge was coded by Kaguya herself bro...
>>4523037She can't fix her.
>>4523030>>4523031So you'd think, but 5ch is saying 掘り起こし確定, and as someone yet to pass N1 it's hard to argue.But 掘る is defined as:>1. 地面や材木などに穴をあける。>2. 土地に穴をあけて、地中にある物をさがし取る。
>>4522973>Kaguya looking out a window from the moon to EarthThis is a reference to something she actually said during the fireworks festival. She looked through the window at Earth and observed how free people were which is why she wanted to flee there.
>>4523036It was just a Tamagotchi, it could even be the same one with a fresh pet assuming Iroha kept it all along.
>>4523038She did upload it to a tamagochi like thing though.And if she made it once she can code it twice...>>4523042It can't be the same one, because it data was taken to the moon with Kaguya.
>>4523043I don't mean the same pet, just another one from the same game system which Kaguya then uploaded to Tsukuyomi. Like how if a pet dies in your Tamagotchi, you get a new egg.
>>4523039Drooling at a L2D talk stream of Yachiyo is pretty next level. What the fuck Iroha? She literally hugged her and held her hands, yet this still gets her excited?!
>>4523039I love the "Yeah whatever" reaction here tough. She seems less jealous the more time goes on.
>>4523039>>4523047Is this even post-ending? They looks exactly the same.
>>4523049No, these are supposed to be during the movie, the first one is even at Iroha's old apartment before the marriage proposal and official cohabitation.
This scene is them rewatching their victory round against Black onyX together. I wonder when the heck that happened...Also lmao, they filmed the scissoring handshake.
>>4523049Not with Iroha at JK age
All nips I see on twitter seem to think they're burying the spaceship because of the connection with the immortality elixir in the fairy tale. I think it's easiest to assume Yachiyo can just fully live online and isn't physically bound to the ship.
>>4523051I hope it’s broadcast
>>4523054They don't know any more than we do, it's all speculation so far. Only official info is >>4523028 from the director.
>>4523054She isnt bound to the ship because Iroha gave her soul a body. But the point of contention here is simply that Yachiyo shouldnt exist in Tsukuyomi anymore after she gets uploaded into said body...
This probably is just an acessory thing, but do you think these rings have any particular meaning? They are all wearing two ring on both middle fingers. I dont know if middle finger rings mean anything tho. I do assume having one on each hand symbolizes their faux threeway relationship maybe?
>>4523059Why is that in contention again? It wasn't before the MV was out.
>>4523060That's where the sleeves for their outfits are attached to the hands.
>>4523061Because before this MV we assumed that her soul was controlling the android body from the ship, which they are not suddenly burying...
>>4520159I've been avoiding this because I once heard there is minimal hetshit but seeing how popular this is on /u/ amd no mention of that now I assume it was just a shitpost right? If so I will watch it
>>4523065there's no hetshit for the main characters
>>4523061Some people assumed Yachiyo's soul was still in the bamboo ship and remotely controlling the Kaguya body and the VR avatar. With no ship then her soul must be in the body and VR Yachiyo must be fully independent.
I kinda would have liked to have this overlap with old Kaguya happen in the scene where she hugs Yachiyo. This is great.
>>4523065Were you trolled by the anon who replies "there is minimal het" whenever someone asks if something is yuri in the general discussion thread? It's just a shitpost, yeah.
>>4523071What the... why after all this... did this collage make me cry...? I didnt even cry during the actual movie...
>>4523009I mean it's not like I expect anything explicit, but to choose this image as the snapshot of their future lie is just too tongue in cheek.
>>4522989Actually these seem to be two different scenes.1. Iroha wears her everyday clothes while Kaguya wears Iroha's uniform. 2. In the Tsukuyomi version everyone wears school uniforms and Kaguya's is colored differently.From this I conclude that the first scene takes place in the real world where Kaguya convinced Iroha to take her to her school once so she can pretend to be a student after classes were over.The Tsukuyomi version is just them putting on school outfit skins in the game.
>>4523076The 'yes' pillow was photoshopped tho
>>4523080I know, I'm just saying even without the yes Kaguya's expression was way too funny
>>4523067>Yachiyo shouldnt exist in Tsukuyomi anymore after she gets uploaded into said body>VR Yachiyo must be fully independent.Dunno why you'd assume either of these things. All that happened was she now works exactly like Fushi, who exists in a physical body in a tank but also was able to remotely access and exist in digital space at the same time. There's no reason to assume they're now disconnected, the ship just became unnecessary after Iroha built a body capable of housing a person, Yachiyo/Kaguya otherwise continues as she was, but now able to interact with the world instead of being stuck in a tank.
>>4523082Really? I interpreted that as her Yachiyo expression. The softness of her eyes. You can imagine her speaking just like Yachiyo does, probably related to the whole burying the spaceship thing. Seemed like a serious convo to me.
>>4523080Them in their pajamas, after a shower from the looks of it, with Kaguya holding a pillow and giving Iroha that look doesn't leave much to the imagination.
>>4523067>VR Yachiyo must be fully independentAfter they got rid of the ship, I think VR Yachiyo will just be Kaguya's avatar when she streams or something, that's what they show immediately after.Basically they got rid of the old "immortal" Yachiyo projected by the ship, in the same way in the story immortality was rejected by burning the elixir.In a way, that makes Kaguya just a normal human.
>>4523083I think you misunderstand how Fushi works. The seaslug in the tank is just a seaslug now. The Fushi in Tsukuyomi is the uploaded data of InuDoge/Fushi. It is like an independent program now and the slug is just a slug.I dont understand your logic. How can Yachiyo exist separately inside Tsukuyomi without Kaguyabot being constantly hooked up to the server?
>>4523086Well uh, clearly you can >>4523085
>>4523090If you think that's her Yachiyo persona, then the aftermath only gets more intense. 8,000 years of pent-up desire for Iroha.
>>4523091They are literally drinking tea, 3 meters apart. Maybe you are projecting a bit too much sexual tension here, when this is supposed to be a relaxed moment where Kaguya opens up about something and is interspersed with the "I want to make Kaguya fully human" and burying the spaceship on the mountain moments.I think the mood is clearly about that important stuff, not banging.
>>4523087Issue number 1: Kaguya still has her Kaguya model in the live concert and they can still exist at the same time. Unless you suggest that they decided that there will be no more normal Kaguya appearances in Tsukuyomi, this will lead to its own cans of worms.Issue 2: Tsukuyomi doesnt seem to be the kind of place that functions well with a constant moderator. Previously Yachiyo just went to sleep sometimes, but otherwise she was always online 24/7. Now Kaguya will be busy in the real world a lot. And is she really going to dedicate all this time to streaming still?
I was kind of annoyed by the symbolic rejection of eternal life here. As a trope it usually feels like an attempt to cope with human mortality by rejecting what we can't have anyway. But thinking about it more, I kind of like the contrast between the symbol of immortality being unequivocally destroyed in the original story, and carefully buried here.
>>4523096>Kaguya still has her Kaguya model in the live concertThey bury the ship after the concert, you can see a picture from the concert in the first screenshot of >>4523001.>is she really going to dedicate all this time to streaming stillEven if she doesn't, what's the issue?She's just like any human now, she can graduate from streaming at any point.
>>4523097Ok, but Yachiyo suffered enough anon. She knows firsthand what immortality does to you. 8000 years of pain. She kept smiling because she knew she would meet Iroha again, but that's about it.Unless they stuff Iroha's soul into an android body (which I very much doubt would work due to her not naving a digital soul like Kaguya), Kaguya would just outlive Iroha... and even if you said they somehow both will become immortal through the former method, I dont think they would want to outlive everyone and keep going forever.
Something to consider:>the original intent was to make a "cyborg" body, so it's safe to assume that's what we see at the end of the movie>in the MV, she states she intends to make Kaguya truly human, supposedly meaning a different kind of body entirely>burying the ship implies that's done>but there's no indication they aged significantly after the ending, so they either:>have aged, it just wasn't made clear>achieved that soon after by utilizing the ship somehow and not just regular tech advancement>are actually now both immortal>are not burying it
>>4523100>you can see a picture from the concert in the first screenshotNo anon, I am talking about the summer/ocean concert from the MV. That is a different one that happens after the redebut concert in the movie.>Even if she doesn't, what's the issue?The issue is that Yachiyo will disappear from Tsukuyomi? The admin "AI" who is responsible for its success and who is one of its main appeals that keeps everything running and who gives people solace with her streams, which is one of Kaguya's main purposes in life since she made Tsukuyomi... you are telling me she would just drop all that and leave Tsukuyomi to someone else?
>>4523089>The seaslug in the tank is just a seaslug nowWe watched it do the programming for the ship interface. It was never "just a seaslug" it was a physical approximation of a seaslug produced by the ship, like Kaguya was never just an ordinary human (e.g. could freely alter her appearance in the real world, or grow exponentially), but rather a near-digital existence that took on human form. How would this even work? It just transformed from hyperintelligent alien intelligence into an ordinary seaslug when it finished setting up the ship's network connection?>How can Yachiyo exist separately inside Tsukuyomi without Kaguyabot being constantly hooked up to the serverHow can she be in a cellphone when the cellphone isn't hooked up? Part of the ship's thing was not having power. It had to use Fushi as a secondary interface because it could not do anything in its damaged state. The new body isn't damaged. There's no reason to assume it was built with no capacity to remotely interface exactly like their smart contacts, cellphones, or the smart glasses we see are able to do via wifi or satellite or whatever more advanced method Fushi and the Lunar retrieval team were using. >>4523096>Now Kaguya will be busy in the real world a lot. And is she really going to dedicate all this time to streaming still?She doesn't need to dedicate time. To begin with she was shown with the capacity to operate in multiple places doing multiple things all at once. It's not like she was hitting pause on all moderation or backend operation every time she went live as a streamer.
>>4523102Look at their heights here. There's no way this is Irohag.
>>4523102Self-correction: I say "they have aged" when it'd just be Iroha obviously, but it's a safe guess Kaguya's body would be made at a matching age.
>>4523104>I am talking about the summer/ocean concert from the MVAnd why would you think that takes place before the ship thing? It's much earlier in the MV, the burying is the last thing that happens chronologically.>you are telling me she would just drop all that and leave Tsukuyomi to someone elseGrowing up and leaving things behind is also part of being human.
>>4523105>We watched it do the programming for the ship interfaceThat was before Tsukuyomi was launched and Yachiyo left the seaslug behind anon. Fushi was Kaguya's medium to interact with the world. The moment she leaves that seaslug body, it's just a seaslug.>How can she be in a cellphone when the cellphone isn't hooked up?Are you stupid? Have you heard of the internet before?No this is not the same thing. A phone being connected to the internet is easy. A supposedly now "human" body, not so much. When she logs off, Yachiyo would disappear. They cant act separately anymore after the ship is buried and Kaguya becomes human. That is the whole issue.>She was shown operating multiple places at onceYou dont get it anon. That was Yachiyo, a digital soul who was directly hooked to the server and could freely move inside Tsukuyomi. Kaguya with a human body can only log in like a normal human would. There is no reason to believe she can still mutliply.
>>4523109The MV starts with them going up the mountain to bury it, but leaving that aside, the MV is not being chronological to begin with... You have no way of telling when it actually gets buried.And I see no reason to believe Kaguya would drop her Kaguya avatar permanently or the erase Yachiyo, when we literally still see Yachiyo stream in the same chain of events the is connected to the burying of the ship.
As much as I like all the lore an interesting additions the MV gave, the lack of a kiss, marriage, couple rings or anything more explicit in animated form is kind of a downer. Was I really expecting too much? The novel is as explicit as it gets and even the main movie is pretty clear about it, so I can't complain too much, but I just kinda want more.
>>4523111>You have no way of telling when it actually gets buriedFair enough, but by the same principle you can't deny the theory by claiming one happened before the other.>we literally still see Yachiyo streamBut we see her Live 2d version in Tsukuyomi, not her in-person avatar going around as usually was the case, so I'd assume that was just Kaguya streaming; maybe she explained the changes going forward to the Tsukuyomi people in that instance, since it's shown immediately after the ship sequence.Anyway the point here is that normal humans don't have ageless digital alter egos, so that's why making Kaguya human in the true sense of the word was related to burying the ship and the parallel with the elixir of immortality, otherwise I can't explain it.
>>4523116Also no pancakes.
If Iroha can eventually make a real human body for Kaguya, then she's just a small step away from creating science babies.
>>4523120Now that is just an actual blunder. How dare they?
>>4523119This whole exlixir thing is kinda being overstated imo. The main part of the tale was that the emperor took ALL of Kaguya's gifts and his love letter to her and burned them on the top of Mount Fuji in hopes that the smoke would reach her on the moon. The elixir was not really the main focus.I think the parallel is a bit tenuous.
>>4523110>The moment she leaves that seaslug body, it's just a seaslug.Anon. It was never just a seaslug. It was a bizarre alien thing that the ship had the power to produce in the vague SHAPE of a seaslug. Seaslugs don't have a face and the anatomy to fucking speak, or hold onto sticks and draw things in the dirt. Nor was she IN the seaslug. She was in the ship, it was explicitly explained that InuDoge was put into the slug. InuDoge (as Fushi) then acted as an intermediary for her to interact with and experience the world.>Have you heard of the internet before?Yes, anon. That was my point. That the body can also connect to the internet just like any other device. Because:>A supposedly now "human" body>with a human bodyShe isn't a human. I don't know why people have latched onto this overly literal interpretation, but Iroha is a programmer and roboticist. She's not a literal fucking wizard who bought a Philosopher's Stone online and performed alchemy to conjure an actual, literal human body. She is in an artificial body because Iroha didn't suddenly turn into god between finishing the bot at the end of the Movie and burying the ship in the MV, so she didn't somehow gain the capacity to manifest human life out of nothing and also installed a digital intelligence into that blank human brain. > a digital soul who was directly hooked to the serverYes, and now that soul is housed in a robotic body that undoubtedly has the capacity to maintain connection to the server. There is no reason to believe she has lost her capability to be in two places at once, especially when the MV continues to have Iroha treat digital Yachiyo as an actual person, e.g. bringing her along on the hike, or watching video footage of their memories (why would you bring along some independent soulless copy whose purpose is just to run Tsukuyomi?) and continues to frame it as the THREE of them being together (see: the heart at the end) rather than treating Yachiyo separately.
Okay, so I really only have two main questions at this point:1. How the hell did Iroha make a Kaguya "a real human"2. How does the Yachiyo situation in Tsukuyomi workThese two are essential, because until we know those none of this can really be explained. The phone with Yachiyo being there during the burying sequence makes everything even more complicated. Maybe whatever android body Iroha created is actually organic to a degree, which would explain how it can function so well, but at that point its less robotics and more cloning and that's pretty nuts. Assuming there are now a separate VR Yachiyo and Kaguya in real life... that would be the worst. Just after finally getting a new body you just create another Yachiyo who suffers without a body. I cannot accept that. So maybe the Yachiyo in Tsukuyomi is an actual AI now. It doesn't feel like that would be be beyond Kaguya's programming skills. Or maybe she really is just streaming as Yachiyo as her main job, but that seems also flawed.Ugh... why cant we ever get straightforward answers?
>>4523123Then what did burying the ship accomplish?It was the main happening of this epilogue, you'd think it'd have more significance than just being some commemorative ritual.
>>4523124No, you completely misunderstood everything about Fushi.Inudoge was given a BODY because the ship only had enough juice to give one to it. Inudoge is not more sentient than an actual dog. It isnt sapient. Kaguya was REMOTE CONTROLLING Fushi via her soul. She is directly interacting and talking through it. Fushi without Kaguya's soul is just an animal.Fushi is not actually talking for Kaguya, Kaguya is DIRECTLY talking through it. All the people she met and talked to were talking to her, not Fushi as its own entity.The Fushi in Tsukuyomi is just a bundle of code that Yachiyo transfered. That Fushi is connected to her soul, that's why it can project her memories into Iroha's brain.>she isn't a humanI dont understand the point of the whole thing then. If she is an android then nothing actually changed between the ending of the movie and this MV. What is even the point of showing Iroha saying she wants to make her a real human and then doing literally nothing to achieve that?Have you considered that they could have restored the function of Yachiyo's ship to create a human body? After all its main issue was that it didnt have enough power. We dont know what the hell powers Lunarian tech, but I assume there is a way to repair/recharge it. That is one option.>the body has the capacity to maintain connectionYou are just making that up though. No reason to assume even as an android she is constantly connected. The more human Kaguya allegedly becomes, the less this kind of insanity would actually make sense. If they were gonna keep the status quo that way, she might as well have kept the ship hooked up.>or watching video footage of their memoriesThat happened in the past. Kaguya and Iroha both have their high school era models.What is the point of having Yachiyo and Kaguya both around in Tsukuyomi if they are the same person just copied, even in private rooms?
>>4523127If it is no longer necessary then it is just burying the past. It has emotional and sentimental value, not an actual purpose. If Kaguya is still an android, then she will not stop being immortal just because she buries the ship.
>>4523124>continues to frame it as the THREE of them being togetherThere haven't been three of them since Kaguya left in the movie though.I think pic-related is actually the final outcome, Iroha x Kaguya-bot, while the final image with all three is just the main characters of the story, note that Iroha doesn't wear the bracelet in it.>>4523132>If it is no longer necessary then it is just burying the past.But how does that relate to making Kaguya human?And if it doesn't, what was the point of the pic in >>4522961, just some random scene?>If Kaguya is still an android, then she will not stop being immortal just because she buries the ship.Well, it's future science fiction, if Iroha can do tasting she might as well do aging.I think what the MV was trying to sell is that Kaguya isn't just some AI android controlled by a digital coscience, she's someone like Iroha, who can spend a normal human life with her.
>>4523139We've been speculating about the android and its functions since the movie came out, but the ideas range from Iroha starting the human transcendence movement by letting everyone get android bodies instead of dying to just somehow Kaguyabot being able to live a normal lifespan, which seems... unlikely.Like this anon said >>4523126doesn't it feel like Kaguyabot is kind of organic? Just how sophisticated can the robot tech be to simulate all human bodily functions?
>>4523142>Iroha starting the human transcendence movement by letting everyone get android bodies instead of dying>Kaguyabot being able to live a normal lifespan, which seems... unlikelyThe first one seems much more farfetched to me, but what do I know.>doesn't it feel like Kaguyabot is kind of organic?The thing with science fiction, especially when it's pretty much just a plot device like in this story, is that you can't use logic to assume what's possible, it's there precisely because it allows things that normally wouldn't be.We've already seen lunarian tech creating an organic baby body that aged in two days, I think we should let go of common sense with this one.
>>4523146Moon tech might just be half-magic, but then you have the VR lenses that at the very least can be manufactured on Earth by humans, even if we assume Kaguya helped them figure some of it out. So yeah.
>>4523146Space magic and human tech are not equatable in this movie. Iroha is using human tech to achieve her goal, so I am allowed to question it. Yachiyo obviously having some advanced knowledge of technology could of course have aided in this, but it still feels like Kaguyabot is pretty organic. Drooling, tasting and so on are extremely sophisticated brain functions that would be hard to simulate with something that doesnt even have a brain.Also we know through the novel that Iroha first tried AR tech where she could see Yachiyo in the real world, though that is a far cry from actually having her in there. Seems she tried several things.
>>4523131>No, you completely misunderstood everything about Fushi.>The Fushi in Tsukuyomi is just a bundle of code that Yachiyo transferedAnon. We literally watched Fushi actively defy Kaguya's will/instructions and it comments on Kaguya's mental state as a third party. It, on multiple occasions, acted in clear dissonance with Kaguya/Yachiyo. I am not the one misunderstanding what Fushi is. It is not a mouthpiece it is a secondary entity that acted as a go-between. There would be zero reason to say "InuDooge got transferred into the body" if it was just a body for Kaguya to speak through.>What is even the point of showing Iroha saying she wants to make her a real humanPeople are just misunderstanding what qualifies as "real human". It is not about her being in a 100% authentic flesh and blood body. It is about giving her human experiences. Like the capability to taste and eat pancakes that was not yet obtainable when she "finished" the version of the body seen in the movie's ending. Or like the capability to have sex. It's about making her more real, not suddenly conjuring an actual human being.>Have you considered that they could have restored the function of Yachiyo's ship to create a human body????? So you think that the bot body being incapable of remote access to the rest of Yachiyo is implausible but now we are talking about utilizing a fixed ship to 3D print a normal human body, something it was never even shown as being able to do, because again, original Kaguya was very much NOT an ordinary human.>You are just making that up thoughI am operating on the assumption that the Kaguya = Yachiyo beat that the movie and MV just constantly hammer in is not being awkwardly completely undermined by introducing a poorly evidenced "actually they are not the same now they are separate people and we have zero idea who or what new!Yachiyo is, or what level of intelligence and self-awareness she has or how Iroha feels about her".
For all intents and purposes, whether there's still an actual virtual Yachiyo AI going around in Tsukuyomi or not doesn't really change much considering this is the end of the story.The director wrote:>『超かぐや姫!』の「本当のハッピーエンド」の様子をお届けします。自分の短尺映像史上一番気に入ってます!Basically, the MV is the happy ending, its core message is obviously that Iroha and Kaguya found a way to be together and happy ever after, which is all that matters.
Why can't sci-fi yuri just be normal
>>4523156>Fushi in Tsukuyomi acted on its ownOr maybe it's just Yachiyo's subconscious acting rogue. And anyway, like I said, VR Fushi is a program. It is sophisticated enough to talk and do things like project memories into Iroha's brain, but that's most likely because it is part of Yachiyo.>it was not a mouthpiece, it was a secondary entityIt was fucking not. Yachiyo literally says it was her talking to those people and that she was speaking through the seaslug. Watch the movie again.Inudoge did not get "transfered" into the body, she stated that the ship made a body for Indudoge, the comparately easier pile of code that could be turned into a small creature. Inudoge, who I remind you, is not sapient. It wouldnt have a personality, be able to talk or do anything VR Fushi does. Kaguya is the one in control who spoke. >it's about making the android have human functionsThen there was no point to burying the ship. It would still contain Kaguya's soul and still be needed.>original Kaguya was very much NOT an ordinary humanAside from being able to alter her hair and skin color there is nothing that proves she wasn't a normal organic being. Her accelerated aging was just a side effect of her rebirth. Even the conversion of energy was actually considered, as the reason Kaguya was so hungry all the time at first was that she was burning through energy for her quick growth.It is clear that by any metric, Iroha would consider the original Kaguya human enough.>I am operating on the assumption that the Kaguya = YachiyoAnd nothing being argued here contradicts this by default. The question is how, not if.
>>4523163Core message or whatever, that doesn't really change that he put a bunch of vague, yet very specific information into the MV that had a purpose other than just showing they are happy. If he wanted that he could have actually just shown them dating, living together and making out. Instead he clearly followed up on the movie's ending and added more questions. Let's not pretend otherwise.
>>4523167I'm not pretending anything, I'm also not a fan of vague symbolism and the likes.I'm just saying that no matter how you interpret the details, the important part remains the same, it's not like whether this happy or not, or whether this is yuri or not, is hanging in the balance.
>>4523169Yes, it's not in doubt that this is yuri or that this is a happy ending. Those things have been clear since the actual movie's ending. But understanding what actually happened sure would be fucking nice, wouldn't it? And like some anons here suggest, the Yachiyo situation is a little precarious. A happy ending for Kaguyabot and Iroha does not necessarily mean a happy ending for everyone.Like where the hell is Roka's girlfriend??
>>4523170>A happy ending for Kaguyabot and Iroha does not necessarily mean a happy ending for everyone.But those two are the main characters, the story is about them.Who are you worried about being unhappy, Roka?Sure she and all side characters getting closure would've been nice, but that's splitting hair.
>>4523174Uh, I quite literally mentioned Yachiyo's situation being up in the air. That's a main character.Also every side character got a happy ending already, except Roka! Why do only the lesbians suffer? This is outrageous, it's unfair. Give my make-up model gyaru gal her autistic girlfriend that looks suspiciously like Iroha!
>>4523177>I quite literally mentioned Yachiyo's situation being up in the air. That's a main character.Yachiyo is Kaguya.
>>4523179No shit, ya numbskull. But is the Yachiyo in Tsukuyomi the same Kaguya in the body or is it a copy or is it an actual AI now or is she retired?Doesn't seem like anybody fucking know, now does it?
>>4523180But anon, (old) Kaguya is Yachiyo, and this is a happy ending for her, so it automatically is for Yachiyo too, did you somehow interpret that she split into two personalities, one of which was left unhappy?There's farfetched and then there's this.
>>4522392>(though we have less shots to compare).I think we can now confidently confirm that adult kaguya got a substantial upgrade. The real question is whether Kaguya begged her for bigger tits or if this was Iroha's own preference.
Is it seriously supposed to be Iroha inside Fushi when Yachiyo kisses it? Its ears and tail never glow blue in the movie or the rest of the MV unlike Iroha's.
>>4523183They buried the ship which housed Kaguya's soul, which implies the soul is fully transfered to Kaguyabot's body, which means she can no longer maintain the Yachiyo inside Tsukuyomi at all times, which means the fact that Yachiyo is still supposedly active by the end of the MV would suggest something is afoot.I literally just told you all the possible theories. One of which also includes the possibility that she retired, which would probably be the least problematic.
>>4523185....what?
>>4523166>it's just Yachiyo's subconscious acting rogue\>Yachiyo's subconscious actually dislikes InuDoge>Yachiyo's subconscious calls Iroha a brat, or stupid and tells her it's hopeless555-come-on-now> she stated that the ship made a body for IndudogeNo, what she says is "同行してたInuDogeだけが体を得ました." i.e. Only InuDoge, her travelling companion, obtained a body". The story then also describes her as being able to interact with the world via the net despite being "just a soul", which she wouldn't be if she had a small working body she could interact with humans with, and talk with humans with AND FEEL HUMANS WITH, because if Fushi is just her then why would she turn off her working life-form body that can eat and feel Iroha's body warmth? It's just InuDoge, who likely got upgraded from "barky dog" to higher level being when it was translated into the Lunar existence and brought that upgrade with it.>human aside from doing things that no human can do>an organic beingPutting aside that you're now shifting goal posts from "human" to "anything organic", what then, was even the entire point of Iroha's plotline with regards to the body? Literally all Yachiyo had to do at any point was source enough of a power connection and repairs to have the ship do exactly what it did the first time.>And nothing being argued here contradicts this by default.I'm not talking about the basic premise where Yachiyo turned out to be Kaguya, anon. I am talking about how the ending becomes extremely unstable as soon as you approach the idea that post-robot-Yachiyo is somehow some other wholly independent existence distinct from Kaguya. All it does is pile up all sorts of questions and throw everything including the fundamental relationship's dynamic into doubt, when there is an occham's razor explanation that the movie outright explains 15 minutes in, and that is highly consistent throughout, that Yachiyo can make copies that are all just Yachiyo.
>>4523186Even if another Yachiyo was still active in the VR independently from Kaguya, it would obviously be some kind of NPC like Inudoge, I don't see why you'd worry about it being "happy".
>>4523188The theory comes from people noticing that when Yachiyo kisses Fushi in the MV, its ears and tail are glowing blue like those of human avatars (and notably Iroha's) are shown to do throughout the movie but never Fushi itself, not even in other scenes of the MV. In the top pic during the summer concert for instance, all human avatars' ears are glowing but not Fushi's. It seems like a meaningful distinction.
>>4523189Fushi is just acting grumpy/tsundere towards Inudoge for taking Yachiyo's attention. It's supposed to be an endearing character quirk that is programmed into it.It also never called Iroha a brat. It called Kaguya a brat.>only inudoge obtained a bodyStop pretending this is now what I said.>she managed to interact despite just being a soulNow you are acting retarded on purpose. She is refering to being able to have a humanoid body, being able to interact and touch people normally. Not being a weird seaslug that can barely do anything but talk. It's like remote controlling a drone. Do you feel anything your packge drone feels? You can attach a mic to it and move it however you want, but that isn't literally you. >what was the pointThe fact that Yachiyo didnt have the ability to actually work on her own ship is a pretty big factor here. Also we dont know what powers it or how easy it would be to recharge it. Maybe it feeds on lesbian sex, who the fuck knows?>post-robot-Yachiyo is somehow some other wholly independent existence distinct from KaguyaNo they are both Kaguya, for fucks sake. The only question is whether the Yachiyo inside Tsukuyomi is still the same one. And there is absolutely no indicator she can still make copies of herself nor would it make sense if she truly transfered her soul completely into this body.
>>4523190Like I said, her being an actual AI is a possibility, but... that feels pretty bad. An AI could never replicate the real Yachiyo or what made her such a source of happiness for so many. Also imagine how weird it would feel for Kaguya to log into VR and see a copy of herself that isnt even a real person act like her. Freaky.
>>4523191I did wonder why the hell Yachiyo was kissing Fushi. It seemed really odd and random in the MV: But why and how would this be Iroha?Like I can see how they would want to sneak in an actual kiss, but they didn't even try to give it any context, so it's not very substantial.Iroha's avatar in the game doesnt have blue ears or a blue tail. It only glows blue during the concert in the movie. The only blue thing about Iroha are the streaks in her hair. So if glowing is not required that would maybe overlap.
>>4523194>An AI could never replicate the real Yachiyo or what made her such a source of happiness for so many.Then, too bad for those guys?Though AI can already do crazy shit nowadays, so I doubt it couldn't entertain crowds in futuristic science fiction.But the point stands that literally nothing indicates a whole new person was somehow created/split to become new-yachiyo, this argument is inconsequential.>how weird it would feel for Kaguya to log into VR and see a copy of herselfIt's literally like seeing her vtuber avatar animated and dubbed, you're worrying over nothing.
>>4523191I think people are suspecting it's Iroha because it matches her color scheme.
>>4523196>But why and how would this be Iroha?To do it in front of everyone in Tsukuyomi without them realizing.>howYachiyo sets Fushi as Iroha's avatar for that session, same principle as Yachiyo inhabiting Fushi at times.
>>4523197>Though AI can already do crazy shit nowadaysNot it can't, because no actual AI has been created yet. Mediocre and shitty large language models or glorified image creation software arent actually intellgient. AI is not a thing yet.>nothing indicates I already told you exactly what indicates it, you just choose to ignore it.>vtuber avatarNo. The real 3D person, acting like a person and making decisions.
>>4523199Why do you think they want to kiss in public? And if they wanted it so bad they could just publically start dating. Otherwise just kiss in their private rooms.>Yachiyo sets Fushi as Iroha's avatar for that sessionThat is quite the stretch. We have no reason to believe actual people can just inhabit non-humanoid avatars. That would lead to so many issues with the haptic feedback and perspective...
>>4523200>AI is not a thing yet.All the more reason to not doubt that actual (science-fictional) AI could easily provide light entertainment?>I already told you exactly what indicates itWhat? You mean with:>the soul is fully transfered to Kaguyabot's body, which means she can no longer maintain the Yachiyo inside Tsukuyomi at all times, which means the fact that Yachiyo is still supposedly active by the end of the MV would suggest something is afootAs I told you before, that's incredibly farfetched, there is nothing in the actual content that indicates a new person was somehow created, it's all in your head. And even if that somehow was the case, this new magical person wouldn't be Kaguya, it would be a marginal character that barely even appeared.Worrying about it getting its own happy ending is the realm of lunacy.
>>4523193Anon I am going to present three situations to you. Which of these sounds more narratively coherent and also fundamentally compatible with "a Happy End".1) Kaguya transfers into a new body where she is disconnected from Tsukuyomi unless actively logged in like a human being. She makes an AI "Yachiyo" to continue to run things and stream. For some reason they inexplicably, bizarrely bring the placeholder who is not Kaguya (now disconnected) with them to important stuff for the two of them, like a very meaningful hike to bury the ship, or watching important memories, and they feel the need to include this placeholder in Kaguya's return to the stage rather Kaguya/Iro-P. The AI's sentience and continued role in their trio is unclear.2) Kaguya transfers into a new body where she is disconnected from Tsukuyomi unless actively logged in like a human being. She makes a copy like she had the capacity to prior to this transfer, to act as Yachiyo. That copy now spends the rest of Iroha's (and/or Kaguya's) natural life in the perpetual torture of constantly watching her other self be able to actually experience things Iroha, and also watches Iroha slowly age up and eventually die while still stuck in the hell that the entire end of the movie was about escaping.3) Kaguya transfers her core processing from the ship to a new artificial body equipped with wireless capability. She continues, as Yachiyo was shown doing the entire fucking movie, to be able to operate Tsukuyomi parallel with other stuff, which now includes Kaguya. Iroha and the two halves of Kaguya (now able to both live as Yachiyo and have human experiences with Iroha) hike to the top of Fuji and bury the now unnecessary ship as a sign of having overcome the hurdle of the botched time travel and found their happy end. Much like how the movie literally ended with Physical Kaguya, Iroha and disembodied Kaguya as a trio stepping onto their happy stage.
I'm not well versed in flower language, but I saw someone on futaba say that apparently daisy flowers mean true love.https://hananokotoba.com/marguerit/
>>4523208I thought it was common knowledge that white daisies are used fore weddings.
>>4523202Man, you are quite stupid, huh? It's getting a bit embarrassing to keep indulging you.
>>4523213I accept your concession.
>>4523203>1)You got basically everything wrong, which is quite impressive, even for someone as low IQ as you appear to be.Everything I was talking about would happen AFTER they disconnect the ship from the servers, so the concerts, the interactions all the way up to burying the ship are all still the original Yachiyo.Also I will tell you this only one more time, but them watching "memories together" was from before kaguya was taken back to the moon, dumbass.And yes, the AI's role can be unclear, like almost everything in this MV: That is not an argument against it.>2)This is the whole thing I said would be pretty bad. The thing you basically suggest yourself, even if you are apparently too low IQ to understand your own implication.>3)That is not possible, because Kaguyabot is not connected directly to all the server infrastucture like the ship was. The android absolutely does not have that kind of processing power. Stop deluding yourself.The movie ended with the trio, because the soul was still in the ship controlling both the physical body and the Yachiyo avatar.remotely.You completely disregarded option 4-5. One of which is that Kaguya just logs in as Yachiyo and treats it as her day job or that Yachiyo retires as the owner of Tsukuyomi.
>>4523214I have already accepted yours, though you weren't even capable of stringing enough braincells to make it.
>>4523222>No, you!Okay.
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>>4523237Sometime drew this before the MV which ended up having a scene of Kaguya in school uniform so people are calling her a yuri prophet.
>>4523238The only thing she got wrong was Mami's hair (because it happened around high school in the MV I guess), but the general principle holds up.
So, questions at the end everyone is waiting for answer- Were Kaguya and Iroha digging up or burying the spaceship? Seems like the growing theory is that they were actually digging up a "real" spaceship from the Moon with the technology to truly make Kaguya human in the truest sense of the word, which was left behind by the Kaguya hime from folklore.- What would happen to Yachiyo if Kaguya were to become human? Who pilot Yachiyo in Tsukuyomi, a copy of Kaguya's consciousness, shared consciouness or an AI imitation coded by Kaguya?I do want to know the answer but honestly I'm content knowing they will grow old together and Kaguya will die as a human together with Iroha.
>>4523220>That is not possible, because I arbitrarily decided it couldn't be because then I would be wrong>this android has the processing power to literally house a fucking fully sentient person with 8000 years of memories, but it couldn't POSSIBLY also connect to Tsukuyomi's servers and let that person do what they were doing beforehand>it's tOtALly ImPoSsiBle for a remote, wireless connection to do what cables can do, even though Yachiyo was able to interface with the internet using 90s and 00s earth-sourced techlol, okay anon.>you completely disregarded my made up extra options that are not indicated by anything at allYou're right. I also didn't include option 6 where the two friends take turn logging in as Yachiyo or option 7 where Kaguya's little sister from the moon drops by and becomes Yachiyo.
>>4523240>which was left behind by the Kaguya hime from folkloreThat's absolutely stupid and misses the whole point of the movie. There was no original Kaguya. The myth started because of our Kaguya going back in time and telling her story.They are digging a hole and burying the spaceship. You can literally see how it is placed inside a perfectl dug hole. If you dig something out it doesnt look like that.>I'm content knowing they will grow old together and Kaguya will die as a human together with Iroha.We have no actual proof for this either.
>>4523234>>4523235>>4523236>>4523237was super cute but it pissed me off that Sometime used furigana for the zettai and then just didnt for the other kanji.
>>4523242This post is too braindead. You are not worh my time anymore.
>>4523244That's a rather specific hang-up...
>>4523247according to my buddy that knows japanese, there wasn't even a point in using furigana for zettai because they weren't even rare characters. it was my only hang-up because that entire 4 page fanfic is phenomenal, i loved it a lot
>>4523243Eh, everyone would have agreed that they were burying the spaceship had the director didn't come out with his comment though. His comment and the difference in Kaguya's spaceship (the one hooked to the server) and the one shown here made a lot of people swayed to the 2nd theory. They are actually still debating that now.
>>4523240>>4523251Can anyone actually confirm that' what he meant though?>※MVのとあるシーンの補足ですが専門知識を持った彩葉が許可を取り近未来技術で岩盤を溶解化して掘っているので現代の皆さんは絶対に真似しちゃ駄目ですよ!I thought 掘って could literally just mean digging for a hole and not specifically excavating?
>>4523220>Kaguya just logs in as Yachiyo and treats it as her day job or that Yachiyo retires as the owner of Tsukuyomi...then why would Yachiyo be with them in via cellphone when they bury the bamboo sprout?
>>4523257Apparently it does only mean digging in general, so the comment didn't add much, though some argue that the comment being made and the wording chosen is of some significance.
I avoided the internet all day to avoid getting spoiled on the MV and just watched the movie for the 3rd time. It really is endlessly rewatchable and somehow keeps getting better every time. I notice more every time and their love story grips my heart every step of the way as though I never experienced it before. I sob heavy tears at their parting and happy tears at their reunion. It is perfect. There are so few things in this world that have ever taken me so completely. I wasn't expecting to actually get more in the MV but essence that they are happily together was delivered directly into my heart. I do like the pet theory that the fushi kiss was a standin for Iroha. Maybe we'll get lucky and this surge in popularity will free up another $50k needed to animate the MV for Melt and we can finally get to see them eat those fluffy, happy pancakes together.
>>4523203>That copy now spends the rest of Iroha's (and/or Kaguya's) natural life in the perpetual torture of constantly watching her other self be able to actually experience things Iroha, and also watches Iroha slowly age up and eventually die while still stuck in the hell that the entire end of the movie was about escaping.I understand many things weren't explained clearly (to say the least), but what degree of insanity does someone need to imagine this is how it ends?It's a "happy ending™" ffs, it was the whole point of both the movie and the MV.
Please I need more cute domestic scenes.
>>4523343it could've been something like:>finally, after 10+ years of insane efforts and expenses, i have successfully created a human-like body for you yachiyo, so you won't have to suffer anymore!>thanks iroha! i'm so happy that i already created another yachiyo to handle tsukuyomi in my stead!>...
>>4523251Nothing the director says remotely implies your insane leap in logic to an original mythical Kaguya existing or this being her ship. What kind of sense would that make? You would think that Kaguya who experienced those 8000 years would have been aware of another Kaguya from the moon popping up and going through the same shit she did. She was literally there in history. It didn't happen.>>4523258Nobody knows.
>>4523343The first days after the movie came out was unbelievably fun. Everyone was working together to share all the hidden details they found and were using clear references to identify how insane it was that every moment of the movie was dialed in on supporting Iroha and Kaguya's love. The commentary is starting to shift now that more people are aware this exists, and my guess is they only watched it once and are filling the gaps in their understanding with vibes instead. Simple to disprove with picture based evidence in almost every case and easy to ignore otherwise because it is so outlandish.
Hah. That's one way to have sex with both versions at the same time.
>>4523343>Which of these sounds more narratively coherent and also fundamentally compatible with "a Happy End".
>>4523372>frames everything in the wrong way on purpose to force a conclusion
>>4523374Present a logical alternative.
>>4523236My favorite part is chat going insane, because Yachiyo just randomly flirts with Iroha mid-stream.
>>4523376There were plenty. You've proven to be too braindead to get it.
>>4523378>there were plenty >can't give one
>>4523379They were already posted. Scrolling up too much for your fried brain?
>>4523380>still won't give one
I have no idea what is being argued about so childishly or why time would be spent on that that instead of just watching the movie again. If anyone is genuinely curious to learn something that wasn't clear enough then ask and I'll dive through the movie to show where Yachiyo hid it in plain sight.
>>4523390It's just a shitposter baiting. That's usually the case with people who just reply with a greentext one liner. Just ignore it.
>>4523343I watched this movie for the first time today and while there are still some parts I'm confused about that I'm sure a rewatch can fix, it's most definitely a happy ending. Even the movie hammers on about it too, not sure what that other anon's still yapping about.With how Netflix is, I really hope this movie gets a physical release.
>>4523397You don't have to samefag just because ou got BTFO'd.Nobody said it wasn't a happy ending. Stop trying to force some narrative on the convo.
>>4523402I am >>4523203 no one is samefagging. Some anons >>4523397 >>4523343 just struggle with reading an entire post instead of just skimming and so misunderstand what was being claimed.
>>4523395Lol, spot onAnyways, I can't believe we finally got our first original yuri movie
>彩葉の歌が聞こえて、地球のことを全部思い出して、自分の複製を作って、それから姫と協力して船も作って、歌いながら出発して。>姫とIf we assume that this 姫 isn't supposed to just refer to Kaguya's copy, and that picrel is actually a reference to the classic Kaguya-hime (meaning that tale was NOT simply a warped interpretation of chou-Kaguya), the Fuji ship might be the original that got buried there after a failed attempt to destroy it (if there was such an attempt at all).Also worth noting that while the ship in the MV might be too clean for something that was just unearthed, it also looks noticeably more intact than the one at the apartment.
>>4523397https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/scs-78/dp/B0GJDBRFYTThere is a physical release from china but I have no idea if it is legit. I'm seeing copies of it floating around auction sites as well. If it is real hopefully someone gets a copy to rip so we can have decent bitrate and audio quality on the next rewatch.
>>4523409I still think the Utena movie counts.
>>4523411Chinks are infamous for not giving a shit about copyright law. It is most definitely a bootleg, because they dont have easy access to Netflix.
>>4523411There is nothing wrong with the audio quality of the Netlfix verison though?
>>4523410This theory is seriously way too stupid. There is literally no point to having there be another Kaguya who went through the exact same thing Yachiyo went through.>it looks noticably more intactI think you are reaching further than the straosphere here. There is no way you can tell anything like that at all. And even if that was true somehow, it just supports the theory that they repaired Yachiyo's ship to use its body generation function.
Aside from the fact that lighting and animation quality can create an illusion of differences, the only thing that seems different is that the buried one is a bit more shiny, which could have just been because they polished it before burying it.
>>4523418It's more artificial looking (you can see the one in the tank has frayed edges like an actual plant) but this is likely just a stylistic choice.
>>4523416>the exact same thingBut it's not the exact same thing. The original one got kicked out as punishment or just got sick of the same paperwork she had to deal with, formed attachments, and got picked up later on. Hardly a stretch that both would happen.>There is no way you can tell anything like thatIn this shot here it looks quite frayed, maybe not so much in >>4523418But even if they repaired it, what need is there to return it to perfect condition? You have to remember it collided with a rock at high velocity.Both theories are plausible, I'm just trying to make note of anything that might be significant instead of dismissing everything that doesn't add up in relation to one of them.
>>4523418We are also seeing the tank at a profile and the fuji angle is much more at a top down look so a 1 to 1 comparison isn't possible. To my eyes something that bounced off an asteroid would have significant and obvious physical damage so I take it to mean the the abilities were damaged more than anything.
>>4523429>But it's not the exact same thing.No, it is basically the same thing, because it repeats the entire fucking plot. For what purpose? The Lunarians give literally ZERO hint that they would kick anyone out as "punishment", because that's clearly not how they work. The only reason they wanted Kaguya back in this movie is because she apparently served and essential function. Who the fuck is this imaginary second kaguya you are conjuring up for no reason? Instead of throwing out random completely unsubstantiated theories that complicate everything for no reason, back your retardation up.In the first place, and this is the most laughable part, you are basing this ENTIRE nonsene on a single image of a woman in a kimono staring at the moon, who is not in any way confirmed to be Kaguya and who might not even be an actual person, but just art of Japanese mythology in the first place.Come on.>what need is there to return it to peak conditionIt was just suggested that they used it to make a new body. If that is not the case, then they just polished it to make it look better, which is not "restoring it to perfect condition".>You have to remember it collided with a rock at high velocity.And yet it seems perfectly intact from the outside. Just some scratches.The depiction of the ship is incredibly inconsistent at all times in the movie. It also looks very different when it first lands on Earth and when it enters the atmosphere in the flashback. >both theories are plausibleOne is entirely made up with no actual evidence in the movie, so calling that "plasuible" is quite a stretch.
>>4523439The ship also can transform which is shown when it creates a sprout and forms fushi, so it is known not to be immutable. It is no surprise that the physical container of Kaguya would look all pichi pichi after all the VR sex they were having while waiting for kaguyabot to be built.
>>4523439>because it repeats the entire fucking plotIf it was the entire fucking plot we wouldn't be trying to figure out all this cryptic shit here. The original is a lot more simple.>The Lunarians give literally ZERO hint that they would kick anyone outThat's in the original story, what hint do you need? Did they seem so friendly that they would never? I don't think so.>Who the fuck is this imaginary second kaguya you are conjuring up for no reason?Try reading. We still have no idea who this "hime" Kaguya built the ship with is supposed to be.>a single image of a woman in a kimono staring at the moonAnd why is she there? There may not be a reason, and it could be unrelated, but the excerpt I saw alongside this theory was>七月十五日の月に出で居て、切せちに物思へる気色なり>The depiction of the ship is incredibly inconsistent at all times in the movie.Fine that's fair. The one in the MV is the cleanest one we've seen though, even shiny. Which can contradict either theory.I won't reply again because you're obnoxious.
>>4523452It also can open and extend, like it did on entry into the atmosphere to slow down its velocity.
>>4523453>original storyTHAT THIS MOVIE IS SUBVERTING.You have to put the fucking myth into context with this movie if you want to pretend it happened! The entire point of this whole movie is to give the story of Kaguyahime a happy ending. Would be fucking stupid to then say there was a second kaguya who went through the actual myth and didnt get a happy ending. Are you stupid?>who this hime Kaguya build the ship withThis whole plot point doesn't exist.>woman in kimono staring at moon in a flashback of Japanese history/mythologyYes, what an insanely unusual concept that surely leads to only one ultra specific and conclusion... what was the point of showing the Samurai by the way? What super important purpose did he play and why was it important to show him? Did he help build the ship too? The most obnoxious thing here is how you just act like this nonsense is actually just as plausible as things that actually are evidenced in the movie...
>>4522973I still need an explanation for what that sticker on child Iroha's cheek is about. If we figure that out it will probably give context to the whole scene, even the part in the closet.
>>4523470I wish I could make it out, but it's too small
もっとがんばりましょう
>>4523478It's really hard to read, but I think it says something like "Let's try harder"
>>4523478>>4523482>>4523483Is this something teachers do to grade schoolers if they fail or something? Sounds like mental abuse.So is the context of her mom pointing out she wears earrrings and necklaces to make a joke about how the sticker could just be seen as an accessory? That's a pretty bad way to comfort a child. Not that it would surprise me from that woman.I mean the whole thing about how she forced Iroha to either try to be competitively good at playing piano or giving up on it if she just wants to play for fun shows that she actually cares a lot about results. But if she used to take this kind of thing lightly, that might have just been a change once the father died.Clearly Iroha is still affected by this anyway, hence her hiding in the closet. And then Kaguya appears to hug her, which symbolizes Kaguya's presence healing Iroha's childhood trauma of having to measure up to impossible standards.
>>4523017>>4523023I have seen Japs on xitter suggest that this is a hint towards Yachiyo giving Iroha the courage to go to Tokyo and live on her own. Whether she does it to make sure Kaguya and Iroha meet or whether this is her genuine advice being kinda misinterpreted by Iroha is not clear tho.
Will you calm down already picture spambot...
Seriously, stop.
The new watercolor painting scenes from the MV were so nice. I want to print them all out on canvas and put them on my wall.
>>4523511This one with the sparklers is also new. Maybe a cut scene.
Oh my fucking god, the "Cheat detection" pop-ups, because going nude inside Tsukuyomi is probably not possible unless you hack the code hahaha
In the cast interview the voice actresses said that in the scene where Yachiyo tells Iroha about her memories from the last 8000 years they actually recorded and entire conversation about fishing and preparing food. So what is getting fast forwarded in there is actualy real dialogue.Yachiyo's fishing stories uncut when?
>>4522827This doesn't have auto-translated subs but I am trying to watch it and improve my listening skills. Hopefully youtube lets it generate subs at some point. Anyway here are some interviews that are new, although nothing that interesting in them that we didn't already knowhttps://mantan-web.jp/article/20260131dog00m200000000c.htmlhttps://mantan-web.jp/article/20260131dog00m200001000c.html>>4523522They also sped up the audio when she explains how she made rice porridge right? I was wondering if anyone had tried slowing down the playback speed on these scenes to see if the dialog was still discernible enough.
>>4523523The rice porridge thing was only slightly sped up so you can totally understand when you slow it down. But the Yachiyo backstory part was fast forwarded so immensely and has several cuts between topics in it that it's not possible to restore. I think our only option would be if they uploaded the original recording.
>Piano Sonata No. 20 in G Major, Op. 49 No. 2: I. Allegro ma non troppo – II. Tempo di Menuetto.I couldn't find anyone who looked into this so I clipped he piano song Iroha plays at school and fed it to a music recognition site to find it. An interesting parallel is that this sonata was never intended to be released because beethoven thought it wasn't good enough until his brother found them and published it. With how much thought went into every decision in this movie I thought this concept fit in nicely with the themes surrounding Iroha's songwriting. Her music class is right before the scene where Iroha hesitates to play piano again until Kaguya's happiness spurs her on, and of course there is the unfinished song she was composing with her father.
>>4523531Iroha wrote a bunch of songs for fun, but never felt good enough and stopped making music, so she does indeed view all her old songs as something that shouldnt be published. Music class at school it the only time she feels like she allowed to play music without having expectations pushed on her and it makes her feel at ease... it's terrible how something so integral to Iroha was cut out of her life, because her mother made her feel incapable of continuing music if she doesnt strive for the top.Kaguya just enjoys Iroha's music, which encourages her to play, but indirectly all of Iroha's songs become real and really popular thans to Kaguya. And Kaguya even creates lyrics for the song she never finished with her father, so Iroha wouldn't feel the overwhelming pressure of having to finish it on her own.It's beautiful.
The vocal tracks are obviously all great, but I really need the rest of the soundtrack now. ESPECIALLY the track that plays during the flashback of Yachiyo's 8000 years experienced by Iroha. Those notes alone are actually making me tear up now. I think it is an instrumental remix of Reply?
I can't read Korean, but the translation says this is about touch being implemented in Tsukuyomi and Yachiyo's reaction to it.
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>>4523542
>>4523541saucy
>>4523537it's out as well, but might be region blocked. I've listened to it on youtube
Might be my favorite fanart yet.
>>4523553artist?
>>4523554https://x.com/kiyuiyume/status/2017844661159923956
>>4523556thank you:)
>年は十歳ほどだろうか。流れ星が二つ飛び込んできたような美しい瞳が、驚きを湛えて爛々と輝いている。>腰まで伸びた艶やかな髪の毛といい、暗がりでもそれとわかるほど白い肌といい、形のよい唇といい、造形だけ見れば美少女だが。 >She was probably around ten years old. Her beautiful eyes, like two shooting stars, shone brightly, filled with surprise.With her lustrous hair that reached her waist, her remarkably fair skin that was noticeable even in the dim light, and her well-shaped lips, she was a beautiful girl in terms of her features alone.Iroha please
>>4523571/10!
>>4523571choroha can't help but fall in love with beautiful moon princesses
>>4523571Iroha: I like older women, but...
>>4523343>what degree of insanity does someone need to imagine this is how it endsthere was literally a single anon forcing this because he didn't like the idea of AI yachiyo for some reason
>>4523588Nobody was forcing this, youf absolute retard. There was a LIST of several possibilities and this was one of them. A possibility that many people actually believe outside this thread right now, because they arent too bright.Much like you.
>>4523593>and this was one of themit's never been a plausible possibility to anyone who isn't retarded, not even worth mentioning
>>4523579In the handshake event, Yachiyo sent full-sized clones to everyone else but personally went to Iroha in her loli form. Maybe she knew...But also she might be insecure about being an 8000 yr old granny while her actual younger version is standing right there.
>>4523505It's the latest popular pairing, so of course there's gonna be a lot of new fanart every day.
I don't want to do anything today besides watch everything again. At some point I'm going to have to start doing things other than this, but it isn't going to be today.
>>4523541well thank god we can use chatgpt nowadays (though the accuracy might be dubious)Page 1Tsukuyomi can now simulate touch......How does it feel, Yachiyo?Now you can properly feel warmth too!Of course, it’ll need a lot more refinement work before you can feel things more delicately than you do now...But hey, we managed it, didn’t we? All those nights we stayed up working on this for months were worth it.page 2……Yachiyo?Are you okay? Don’t tell me something bugged out—Whoa?!You don’t have to pinch just to test it!H-Hey… Yachi…?!…Warmth…I can feel your warmth, Iroha…Page 3 To make up for 8,000 years of hugs… I’ll need a little more time…
Kaguya/Yachiyo chose the name Yachiyo herself, while Iroha gave her the name Kaguya. I'm not sure if this has any deeper meaning but it feels deliberate.I missed this the first two times I watched, but after Mami passes out and Iroha tries to wake her up with food pics, Kaguya pockets the bun from the front of Mami's outfit. Later she feeds it to the sky serpent thing to tame it.
>>4523688Runami means moon viewing and Yachiyo means forever or 8000 generations so a poetic translation would be gazing at the moon for 8000 years. A very deliberate name someone would choose when making a username in the early internet.
I made a quick little 100mm wide 3d printed picture frame to put in a little angled stand and keep it on my desk. Next I'll start on making something better to hold me over until official merch arrives, even if it takes 10 years.
>>4523718>even if it takes 8000 years.Ftfy. Very cool though.
>>4522874>Mentions that madoka was one of the sources of inspirationUhm, Iroha x Yachiyo...
>>4523738Their tag is absolutely nuked because of the Kaguya movie lmao. That ship absolutely got hijacked.
>>4523762Most people tag the CPK pairing with Sakayori Iroha/Kaguya | Yachiyoso I kinda doubt that.
Now that we ostensibly got all the possible material around this story (barring some surprises by the manga down the line), I think we are more than ready to finally get into fanfics. Write away anons! Or post your favorite ones. We are eating good.Although I do feel like this is the kind of fandom that only get short one-shots.
>>4523800I still don't know what's the fandom consensus on the explanation of burying the ship and making Kaguya human.
Finished my 4th watch. They zoom in to highlight how Iroha and Kaguya have sweat dripping off them during the concert but try to pass it off as the same thing for Yachiyo when it was just from her tears>And I know for all eternity I will always long to meet again
has the novel been translated yet
Knocking the discs into a tower in kassen is like how Kaguya sniped the middle of Iroha's pancake stack. A stretch but the towers in the game were also super elaborate just like the tanoshii kingdom pose they did during fireworks. Tsukuyomi is shown to be literally shaped like a table set with a plate of stacked fluffy pancakes. Yachiyo's mascot chara is a flapjack octopus. And yet no pancakes in the MV. If they don't make new animation to fix this I won't know what to do.
Don't leave your yuri babies alone with Earth women.
>>4523819After developing a sense of taste, Kaguya prefers Iroha's pussy to pancakes
>>4521711
So how is this ranking on Netflix?
>>4523811No, a human did not translate an entire book in the 1 day it has been out. If you want to read it just run it through mtl.>>4523825https://www.netflix.com/tudum/top10/films-non-englishIt is in the top 10 non-english movies with over 1 million views. This is what it said earlier in the week and netflix doesn't share accurate numbers publicly so I expect it is closer to 2 if it isn't already above it.
>>4523811The group translating the manga said they are doing the LN
>>4523571>She was probably around ten years old.Did Itou Hachi work on the script?
>>4523825>>4522872
>>4523835She is 10 years old for a single night. The next monring she ages up to Iroha's age.
>>4523819>the tanoshii kingdom poseSpeaking of which, you can see adult Iroha do that in the concert photos. Cute.
>>4523889>Roka:At least I'll be next to her in the group photos
>>4523807No body to sweat, yet can cry tears. I dunno if this is smart or stupid.
>>4523893Yachiyo displays the physical or emotional expression she is feeling because she is experiencing VR as her reality.
>>4520159>>4523800Here are some recs. We don't got a lot and it's mostly one-shots, but some authors here really capture either the profound feeling of the story or the fun hilarity of it.8,000 years (and a bit of loose change) https://archiveofourown.org/works/78519346The spacing in this gives me cancer, but the way the awkwardness between IroKagu is expressed is really good.Together Againhttps://archiveofourown.org/works/78392006This one makes an alternate ending where instead of going for robotics, Iroha recharges Kaguya's spaceship to create a new body with it. Aside from the fact that many people suggested this as a good alternative, it's also really tightly written.Before The Happy Endinghttps://archiveofourown.org/works/78706241This one takes place somewhere in the 10 year timeskip before Iroha perfects the Kagubot. This one focuses way more on Yachiyo and Iroha, but still captures what makes her Kaguya. That first kiss is actually genius.Eight thousand and Ninety Years (and not a second to waste) https://archiveofourown.org/works/78239086You want smut? This is smut. I'm not too interested in reading sex scenes, but here you go. It's at least emotionally charged instead of just horny.
>>4523917The descriptions are interesting but I tried reading a couple and the prose knocked me out of continuing. Not getting the rush of seeing them again since they don't act or talk like they did in the movie so it feels like a random story with their names in it. Maybe it is partly because the voice acting was superb and nothing can ever replace that perfect delivery, but fanart at least can capture the essence of the character. I wish I could enjoy fics.
>>4523928Hm, well I can't claim that all of them manage to capture the characters perfectly, but I think some get pretty close. Try "Before The Happy Ending" maybe? It captures a few of the speech quirks at least. It's definitely the only one I've read that uses the "Yaccho" thing Yachiyo calls herself.There is also AfterLive which I think captures the banter pretty well at least.https://archiveofourown.org/works/78716511We are too early for people to copy the novel's style yet, so they are adapting the movie's way of doing things, but that does not exactly translate perfectly to the written form. This is a very visuals and sound focused movie, more than scripting, so it's a tough act to follow. I'm just happy if a fanfic captures the personalities right and has some introspection that actually makes me feel something.
>>4523928I recommend listening to the movie's OST while reading. Helps a lot.
>>4523797I mean the twitter keywords, for pixiv I think it's fine.
>>4523932Xitter is useless for trying to find anything, so that ain't surprising.
>>4523931I didn't know the OST was out yet. That settles what I'll be listening to on permanent loop all week. I can already tell I'll be wishing that borrowed motherhood track was the endless version. I can't find a physical CD for it anywhere which is crazy, did they really only put it out digitally? Let me whale on something that isn't lazy solo character acrylics.
>>4523934Who the heck buys CDs anymore? Are you some ancient otaku artifact? Get it on spotify or wherever they sell it.
Imagine crushing on your bae with yourself. Do you think Yachiyo and Kaguya have different things they prefer about Iroha? 8000 years is a lot of time to refine your tastes. Kaguya would go like "her face is hot" and Yachi would be like "Yes, but that mole is the height of traditional Japanese beauty".
>>4523934I just finished listening to the OST. Lots of great tracks but they are all so short. All it made me want to do was watch the movie again too.>>4523935Not only do they sell CDs, they apparently like to also sell merch of fake CD jewel cases to use as a keychain which is one of the funnier things they decided to make available. I only still buy CDs for yuri and I mainly do it for the jacket art so I can have something on my shelf when there isn't enough other merch to satisfy. I have a few mega dust jackets which are super sized cover art from the CD. I was disappointed the single for Ex-Otogibanashi sold out of the extras it had before I had a chance to get it for example because I desperately want to put up artwork for this movie on my wall as soon as possible. They are definitely going to keep releasing new merch because of the popularity so I guess I just need to be patient.
The more I watch the movie the more I just really wish they had made a Yachiyo body instead of a Kaguya body. I feel like they are denying Kaguya's development by trying to make her look like her old self a bit. I also like the slightly more mature dynamic between Yachiyo and Iroha.But well it's still Yachiyo in the body regardless. And ultimately that Kaguya body is what she is meant to look like. So I understand it logically, but it feels off.
Oh some MV art is finally popping up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1O_i9nZEPIThis song isnt even in the movie. They just made a cover of this for the official channel as a promotion...
Very curious that the Fushi kiss is used as the thumbnail for the official youtube shorts version of the Ray MV.
>>4523963Instead of the intense hand holding one? Lame.
if buyee cucks me out of getting the first release then i'm going to be very upset
>>4523967The main video also changed thumbnails to the summer live concert shot of the main trio.
>>4523948Iroha would open a can of worms if she make Yachiyo body the final host. I guess the end goal of her research is to make avatar body anyway, but you need a "real" persona too, and it's way easier to pass Kaguya as a human by just giving her an aged up body. I imagine the tsukuyomi otakus would be in quite a stir to catch winds of the news that their beloved IroP, known to be devoted to Kaguya got herself a Yachiyo look alike wife.And i mean you can see trace of Yachiyo in the Kaguya at the end so it's not like that part is lost.
>>4523970I don't even remotely understand how this logic works. Nobody knows Iroha in real life. And whether they see her hang out with Kaguya or Yachiyo in real life, it would immediately get her doxxed by association as everyone knows what real life Kaguya looks like, so it's not really making much of a difference.
>>4523979It's not an issue of Iroha getting doxxed. By the end Iroha is a famous scientist and performs concerts both in real life and VR. People seeing her with Kaguya irl is normal since as far as they know they're two regular women who log into Tsukuyomi with similar-looking avatars. If Kaguya had Yachiyo's body irl and someone spotted her with Iroha, it would definitely raise some questions starting from the nature of Yachiyo herself since officially she's just an AI idol and not a real person herself, to her (and Kaguya's) relationship to Iroha.
>Hey, onii-san, I finished that taste sensor for Kaguya. Could you...Could you for spot me a few tens of millions of yen for something else for Kaguya too?>What is it? Just something to help her feel a little more human. It would make both of us so happy.>Bill of materials: self-lubricating faux-flesh duct, optional vibro-clitoris, iPS-capable internal incubator
>>4523948It's implied Iroha already tried making a Yachoyo body, but settled with the Kaguya body, saying something like "looks like the Kaguya body is a better fit than the YC (Yaccho) body after all." If we couple that with how Kaguya comments it's heavy perhaps the YC type was simply too heavy for Kaguya to move in.
>>4523989I got that already, but here is a look behind the curtain: Someone wrote it to be that way. I am saying I don't like that writing choice as much.
>>4523987I am quite certain that if her android tech got this far that there are certain groups that would INSTANTLY sponsor the development of that kind of tech. Yes, Iroha invented sex bot tech so she could do it with her wife.
So something to note is that Kaguya is wearing that weird sun hairlcip that she also wore during the ocean concert in real life.I... really don't know what that is supposed to symbolize. There is a contrast with her "Kaguyahime" outfit she wore on the moon, because that one had a moon hairclip. Sun and moon? Yeah I got nothing.
https://x.com/aax5UUWL7UNoXuc/status/2017943038375719095ANONSThe flapjack octopus doll adult Iroha is holding in the epilogue... it blinks. I don't know why, but it blinks and it took over a week for someone to notice.EVERYGODDAMNFRAME
>>4524019Probably just a much simpler robot doll she made, big deal.
>>4524019You can't really tell from the quality of that video, but it blinks almost in perfect sync with the Live 2D Yachiyo. It may be another bot she's controlling.
>>4524021This opens up about 1000 new possibilities in a single 2 second moment. Mother of goddess....This means Iroha is actively hugging Yachiyo right then and there. I assume at least the touch feedback is already finished by this point as she says she is at her "final breakthrough".So she is just hugging Yachiyo like this all the time.AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHMy... my last strand of sanity...
>>4524021There's a clear delay, and it doesn't blink the first time she does.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n7FPdpitHPz75cl7zJrxYNrqgG8OhoFMcHere's the movie's OST btw. As in the non-vocal music.
It's even funnier because the MV confirmed those seaslug ear hairbands are real.
>>4524030
>The Yachiyo model stays on during sex
The doujins are going to be wild...
>>4524017I kinda like how artists are now using the sun hair piece to distinguish post-ending Kaguya from original Kaguya.
...the entirety of Tsukuyomi is just a giant pancake with a fork and strawberries...I think I am done. What else can I possibly extract out of this madhouse? This movie is too much. Let me rest...
>>4524048holy shit i never noticed this
>>4524048We were robbed of seeing her eat pancakes again.
>>4523948I don't agree at all and I'd use your same argument you are making against that. Kaguya is still Kaguya. She only had to called herself Yachiyo sometime after the early internet (earliest date I saw was 2003, so 22 years ago). And she didn't get the Yachiyo appearance to disguise herself from Iroha until Tsukuyomi existed which was probably 5-10 years before the movie begins. Both sides of her still make up the entire whole that is Kaguya. my captcha was to select a moon crescent
>>4524048I even tried looking up these to see if they hid any references. I didn't find anything unique though, it looked like ordinary fake brands and normal store messaging other than the new release/limited time message making it stand out more on the shelf.>>4524115*28 years ago
>>4524115The change was internal first. The external was simply a natural response. Kaguya is Yachiyo now. She cant go back to being her old self. Too much happened and her priorities have changed. I think people overlook that while Kaguya will forever love Iroha and give her priority, Yachiyo cares deeply about people in general. Tsukuyomi exists to make people happym Yachiyo exists for the same reason. Iroha loves both sides of Kaguya, but it feels like giving Yachiyo the Kaguya looks is a step back that would make them regress.Though I am not saying I hate the canon outcome. I love Kaguya and she deserves to be in the body that feels best for her. It just feels thematically wrong. If anything the "Kaguya revealed" straight hair down Yachiyo feels like the final stage she should have gotten.
>>4524134>giving Yachiyo the Kaguya looks is a step back that would make them regress.I guess my only problem is that while I agree with your other statements on principle of being reasonable expectations for someone who spent eternity longing to meet their love again, I just don't see where this assumption is being made that Kaguya's appearance somehow represents that she gains or loses her lived experience. She was always Kaguya, and always Yachiyo. It is the same Kaguya. I could just as easily believe Yachiyo's form represents the Kaguya who was waiting without fulfillment, and Kaguya's final form adorned with a sun is her discarding the 8000 years gazing at the moon now that she has attained that awaited love. Anyway it is fun thinking about it.
There's an endless amount of new fanart every time I check my timeline. What a blessing.
>>4523917>>4523930These were really cute. Thanks sis.
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>>4524251The idea that she hugs her all day while working is a ridiculously cute detail to add in. Also noticing she has "study of real[...]" and "tactile sensation" tabs on screen. I can almost see the mathematical formulas and I wouldn't be surprised if they are accurately sourced from a document on electrical feedback sensors or something similar to that.
>>4524251I seriously hope you don't think that's close enough to call "almost perfect sync". Here's a less disingenuous webm.
>>4524264I posted that to support your claim dumbass
>>4524267Well you should have included the other blink then, instead of making me do it. It's harder to argue against than the delay.
>>4524271You should have done it yourself in your first post you lazy pos
>>4524251they forgot to make the l2d flapjack blink baka
>>4524273I considered it but did indeed decide not to because I couldn't be arsed, because if anyone wanted to confirm it they can personally go and check the relevant part in this digital-only movie.
>>4524023>There's a clear delayeasily explainable by the tactile feedback processing delay.>and it doesn't blink the first time she does.easily explainable by yachiyo disengaging the link in front of the guests.
