>Miquella the shota hypnotizes his brother, unleashes the plague of rot upon the world, and sheds his body in order to gain power:(>Ranni the doll murders her brother, unleashes the plague of deathblight upon the world, and sheds her body in order to gain power:)
>>681186131Ranni won though
>>681186131Ranni is cute so it's okay when she does it
>>681186131They got GRRM to do the lore, but they couldn't get anyone besides the janitor to do the plot.What the hell were From thinking?
>>681186217Miquella is objectively cuter and nicer, this is trap discrimination
>>681186550Miquella only loves Radahn THOUGH, while Ranni loves us
>>681186131Ranni didn't mind control anyone THOUGH
>>681187804>Radahn canonically gets to fuck this
Spamslop faggots deserve to be gutted and left in a ditch
>>681186131Ranni asked for my help and she became my wife, Miquella wanted his brother's dick into his ass.
>>681186131gay son or thought daughter
>>681187913based
>>681186131Rot is much more of apin to deal with than deathblight though. Call me when there's a deathblight swamp then I might side with the shota
>>681187804Better than AIDS.
>>681187804>HRT moobsStop.
So what's the confirmation that Miquella wanted scarlet rot to spread? And why? I see people saying that but I saw no impetus for it
>>681188807>>681188547>>681187804DAT bussy got me acting unwise....
>>681188807>wantedIt was just a byproduct of his careless actions, same with Ranni and Deathblight. Doesn't take away their responsibilities though.
>>681188807>So what's the confirmation that Miquella wanted scarlet rot to spread? And why?None, just an indirect consequence of sending Malenia to kill RadahnJust like Ranni and Godwyn
>>681188807Nothing that I know if, he even made plenty of effort to cure it or keep it at bay. I guess he has partial responsibility if he ordered Malenia to go fight Radahn, but I doubt there's an item description anywhere stating "and when you reach him, go full Chernobyl on that fucker. I want the land poisoned for generations to come"
Ranni my beloved
>>681189168>>681189308Actually that's another huge question. If Miquella is the reason why Malenia attacked Radahn (we don't know this), why would he want Radahn dead?>Because when he's dead, he can take the body of a big omen he's seduced to resurrect Radahn into and then make him king consortOr he could have just asked Radahn?? Radahn wanted to be Lord already, right? So he's getting what he wants out of this. This lore makes it seem like they have even less reason to fight.
>>681189661It doesn't make any sense if Radahn was on their side all this time. If he refused an offer from Miquella than at least their fight with Malenia would make sense.
>>681190161If it did, then at least we'd understand the convoluted steps to force him, but we don't know if he did. But actually no, it doesn't make sense for him to refuse - how could he refuse a femboy who has an uncontrollable charming aura?
>>681189661In Marika's own words: "You fucking shitter parasite brats do your fucking job and try to become gods or you're going to be forgotten like the bitch niggas you are"So no, Radahn and Malenia were still fighting for the great runes and the right to succeed Marika. Sometimes each in their own way like Ranni and Rykard, Miquella is the obvious tradfag following her footsteps. Malenia being a fujo shipper and Miquella being an incestfag are just flavor, they still fought for the greatrunes
>>681188807>So what's the confirmation that Miquella wanted scarlet rot to spread?Why do you think this sister?
>>681189661One possibility is that Radahn's condition for the vow was dying an honorable death in battle.
>>681189661humiliation ritual post.
>>681190498>So no, Radahn and Malenia were still fighting for the great runesWe know this isn't true of Malenia since she spared Godrick.
>>681190498Malenia is litereally Miquella's bitch and she does everything he wants, he last words to Radahn before rotting him were for him to become his consortShe went there to hook them up
>>681190632>>681190636>Dissing on her momdad's words>Shitting on the rot god's simp wishwhat the fuck is her problem anyway?
>>681190697Mind controlled.
>>681190737thankfully once you defeat her you fix her to obsess about you during your reign.
>>681190927When you kill malenia she doesn't really factor into the story again.
>>681191051which makes me as an elden lord giving her a job as a maid perfectly fine offscreen once she blooms again.
>>681191297She already bloomed 3 times she is dead.
>>681191935He should have written the expansion's story instead
>>681191935still one of the best characters in the game and he doesn't say a thing
>goldcuck roleplayerwhen she gets upset she will flip flop between that, being a ff enjoyer, and hating on a woman. It is a rotating gimmick to fill the thread with stupid shit because she gets upset.
>>681191935>understands the fundamentals of creation on a mathematical level>still covers his penisTake note
there's only 1 solution
>>681192214You called it lol
I love Malenia's irony. She's one of the strongest beings in the Lands Between yet is nothing more than dead weight and a complete incompetent that can't do anything right.>Can't kill Radahn and made him a nigh immortal zombie instead forcing Miquella to wait a very long time.>Nuked Caelid killing God knows how many people>Bloomed at the Haligtree of all places, corrupting it with her Rot>Embraced the Scarlet Rot when she gets first beaten by (You) making all of Miquella's hardwork and promises to her useless.So much for being undefeated. Your PC is more useful to Miquella than Malenia is.
>>681191935>do everything >seal the flame of frenzy >leave the puppet at the alter>do order ending >chill on top of your mountain of treasure, going out on adventures to keep the peace with all your freinds and your loving snake wife >be a real human bean
>>681189661>>681190161>If Miquella is the reason why Malenia attacked Radahn (we don't know this), why would he want Radahn deadWe know, it's in Radahn's armor description, Malenia obeyed Miquella's orders.She attacked him because he refused Miquella's proposal.>The golden armor worn by Radahn in his younger years. Proudly adorned with heroic red accents, it is fitting attire for a lion. When Malenia, Blade of Miquella, let the rotflower blossom in Aeonia, Radahn heard a murmur in his ear— "Miquella awaits thee, O promised consort."
>>681192723headcanon.
>>681192635Doesn't Rya manipulate you into killing innocent people?
>>681192936She has no idea what's going on at the manor. She legit thinks it's just a fun club house for noble heroes
>>681186131>murders her brotherFalse.>unleashes DeathblightEven more false.>in order to gain powerAnd that's strike number three and you're out.
>>681193045Cute
>>681192910Based confirmation anon
>>681192910>items description aka literal word of god literally spells it out>headcanonMan, you freaks are something else.
>>681192723I don't get it. She needed him to die to send him to the Shadow Realm where Miquella previously sent himself, after fucking Mohg, to intercept dead Radahn? Why not just have Miquella stay in the Lands Between and brainwash him directly? And Radahn only participated in the war to resist being gay?
>>681186131They're both gigashits that cannot stand nor do anything on their own and constantly requires devoted/delusional servantsForget them
>>681193120He's bullshitting you, Rya is well aware that the volcano manor kills Tarnished, that's the entire point of your first meeting with her. She plays victim and tests you to see if you're willing to kill Boggart, it's also why Patches is nearby telling you to go help herWhat Rya doesn't know is who her mother is and what Rykard truly does to those he meets
>>681193045I want to make a character that looks like Rya but it's not the same without the cute snake posture.
>>681193431Mick was hiding under the shadow barrier in order to complete his pusdo ascension and Frankenstein bf in relative peace as far as I know
>>681193431>And Radahn only participated in the war to resist being gay?Radahn no way fag'd Miquella and he got so butthurt from heartbreak he orchestrated the flesh dildo puppet plan.
>>681186131I can marry Ranni. Miyazaki should have do that to Miquella if he wanted me to be a bit more sympathetic.
lol
miquella brain washing you to be obsessed with getting a taste of his bussyvsranni drives you insane with the possibility of getting a single lick of that blue dollussywhich way elden man
>>681188547I keep seeing this editBut I have no idea what it is an edit of
>>681186131
>>681193905I'm just going to slap that space whale's finger face some time and then sit on my cheap plastic chair in leyndell, thank you very much.
The DLC is not canon.
>>681193995Keep that innocence. Cherish it.Ignorance is bliss.
>>681193905BSCBIG SNAKE CUDDLES
>>681186131>ranni please prepare to be our successor>no>you are forced to>seriously i don't want to>that's fine ur a slave anyways>kills brother, kills brothers soul, kills her own soul, revives herself in some shitty doll bodySHOULD HAVE LET HER QUIT, WOULD HAVE SOLVED THE ISSUE LMAO
>>681193905MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
>>681193839This. I don't care about Ranni's plans as long as she marries me and gives me the dussy. I wouldn't care about Miquella's plans if he gave me the bussy. But he doesn't. Interest lost.
>>681194226>QUITshe didn't want to quit. she wanted to be god. she's just a seething cultist.
>>681193995it's the actor who played Sabertooth in Xmen and his irl femoby son, freaky shitthere is no way dad didn't tap dat bussy
>>681194226There were other empyreans. She clearly wanted something else that involved getting rid of the fingers.
>>681193995Some celebrity trooned out her son I think. So that's the kid and his stepfather.
>>681194332>>681194438the story telling sucks dick, post items or something that tell me i'm wrong
>>681192723Why does Radahn need to be dead? And why does it need to be Radahn? And why do all these convoluted steps need to be taken to do something that's actually relatively simple?>>681193696How? No one can, as far as we know. The only reason we the player survive is because Miquella breaks his great rune before we meet him - and even then, we can be charmedAlso, does anyone actually need to die to enter the Shadow Realm? We don't. None of the party we followed did. Did Miquella himself even die? What about Messmer, Marika and the other characters we know entered the shadow realm? The idea that Radahn has to die first seems completely arbitraryFromsoft are fucking hacks
>>681192910It's a fucking item description, retard.>>681193431If Miquella could have influenced him he clearly would have like he did with Mohg.I don't think everyone can fall under Miquella's influence, I think you need to be predisposed.Also keep in mind the prophecy of the goodhood altar, a Lord need to have a vessel, I don't think you can do it without a soul entering someone else's body but I'm not completely sure about how that works, if it's a necessary process or if it's a prediction of what Miquella will do specifically.Either way it seems Radahn was unwilling.
>>681194526bro? she becomes a god in her ending. she clearly wasn't trying to escape her fate otherwise she could have run after her finger was dead.
>>681193045Yes she does retard. She literally tries to trick you into murdering the blackguard guy
>>681194612I can tell your opinion is worthless thanks to the comments you make, you are actually just shitposting and don't really understand the very basic reasoning of 'FUCK THE GOLDEN ORDER FORCING ME'
>>681193431Miquella wanted to use the gate of divinity and to retrace Marika's steps for """reasons""". A better question is if it's possible to just pluck demigod souls and put them in new bodies why did Rannit have to kill Godwyn? She could have just an-heroed and had Miquella put her in a puppet or something. I'm pretty sure there's some side eye mention of them working together on something.
>>681194529See >>681194608Why Radahn? Because Miquella wants Radahn, he loves his strength and kindness, it was in an item description. If he set his mind on him why change to someone else? He probably also sees it as part of hiw vow to himself and Radahn, sort of a self imposed duty.
>>681194769>'FUCK THE GOLDEN ORDER FORCING ME'that's what I meant by "seething cultist". fuck carian niggers and fuck the moons.
Witch Supremacy.
>>681194832Is it really love if he's willing to have him murdered and brainwash his corpse?
>>681194928Anon, that's a meatball.
>>681194928Witch/Sorceress love!
>>681194871That implies she's trying to make a cult and not just steal power to spite the people controlling her and others.>most of her 'cult'(friends) are dead>tells her remaining friends to fuck off because she's going to space>iji just fucking commits suicide, blaidd goes ballistic, puppet man was literally never a friend in the first place
>>681195101..who is also your teacher!
>>681194928She’s a mass murderer
>>681193431Everything is very easily explained if you accept Miquella a) wanted to succeed Marika b) was doing it by seducing people.Everything falls into place after thisMarika and Ranni killed Miquella sympathizersRadahn didn't like that kind of rule and refused to cooperateMarika shattered the ring to stop the succession Miquella lost the Shattering after Malenia lost to RadahnThere were other alternatives to Miquella ascension except the gate of divinity. That's why he went to the shadow realm
>>681195110>That implies she's trying to make a cult and not just steal power to spite the people controlling her and others.No it implies she's part of a cult as all the faggot moon worshiping carians are. Just like her whore mother she's just in contact with its patrons. However considering around half of the current problems in the Lands Between can be traced back to Carian shits (and red hair but that's another discussion) says the Carians and moon worshipers are harmful, spiteful faggots.>>iji just fucking commits suicide, blaidd goes ballisticIji is murdered by her cult. Blaidd is from the fingers and so worthless, tho I do respect his sense of duty.
>>681195034Yes anon that's Miquella's problem, he's a control freak
>>681195103DAMN my mother in law looks like THAT?
>>681195395nice headcanon, i wish the game was clear enough to state that shitthere is no moon god
>>681195201And I adore her all the same.
>>681193839Funny thing is, the base game actually makes you way more sympathetic to Miquella. The other demigods you face are all established jerks, broken people or megalomaniacal. But not only is Miquella not characterised that way, his actions in the base game's lore seem overwhelmingly benign. I thought we'd be on his side, not fighting him>Created the unalloyed needle that lets you do a side-quest to save Melina without burning the frenzied flame>Dedicates his life to treating his sister's curse>Dedicates his life to treating the rejected of society>Makes an enemy of the Golden Order for trying to understand and spread wisdom, and that's good because we already know the Golden Order is bad>Teaser poster shows he was Torrent's master>Implied to not be physically powerful, so no one was demanding a boss fight from him>Before the DLC, seems he was the victim in his and Mohg's relationship>All Miquella wants is a kinder worldThe player is arguably in Miquella's debt. In fact? The DLC fails to give us a reason to fight Miquella at all.>You fight for the ErdtreeNo, I'm about to burn it/have already burned it.>He is a demigod.So is Ranni but I'm her friend.>He wants to bring about something badHe wants a gentler world and that's all you told me. Even when things were good, the Lands Between was hideous. We could use a bit more gentleness. The Dung Eater and Frenzied Flame endings are definitely worse, and arguably so are most of the others, but you let me pick those>He bears a great rune.He broke and discarded his great rune>He wants you dead.He wants to get along with meHe fields no army against you, he has no disagreements with you, and instead of hurting people you care about he instead has arguably helped them either directly or indirectly.Who made the choice for Miquella to be a fight? And why does so little in the expansion reflect he'll be a fight until we reach Leda fight?
>>681194928>>681195191>>681195201>if you fail to become elden lord you can always come back to meFUCK YOU MIYAZAKI! SHE DIDN'T DESERVE TO BE A MEATBALL
>>681195501It is if you're not retarded. Sorry you had to find out this way.
>>681195034He's clealy willing to make sacrifices for his perceived greater good.
>>681195562then post the items if i'm so retarded, honestly, it would be quite easy to disprove me if it's literally stated anywhere
>>681195395>all this headcanon and seething about CarianBVLLSYikes..
>>681195370I thought Radahn was sympathetic to Ranni. At least that's one of the lore bro theories.
>>681195103If ER was made by George Kamitani.
>>681195494yes
>>681195643One theory I like is that he was preventing the GW from nuking everything like it did to the eternal cities. Stopping Ranni's fate was a byproduct.
>>681195609I don't have to disprove you, retard-kun. The moons being their patrons is accepted regardless of your cope. TRanni is just a seething cultist. Carian genocide best day of my life.
>>681195103>>681195697Radagon wife? My wife, sorry Ranni
>>681195697How would Ranni react if you asked for Oyakodon?
>>681194686She believes Blackguard is a thug, and he did in fact steal her necklace. She isn't tricking you into killing an innocent, she's asking you to slay a villain to prove you're noble of heart and strong of arm. Rya thinks she's scouting for heroes, not moraless Tarnished killers
>>681195559A child has better narrative understanding.
>>681195781Based. This is the Radahn I want to remember. Not the gay zombie.
>>681195559The story was garbage in the base game anyway, the games are nothing but a boss rush where you're supposed to soiface at le epic multi-phase fight at this point
>>681195813Ever heard the term oyakodon?
>>681195875I strongly believe that he was mindcontrolled
>>681195812You're just a basic bitch shitposter, I honestly thought you were just retarded and not a tool.
>>681195818Carians are turbo monogamists, with Renalla literally getting mind broken when Radagon left her and Rellana abandoning everything to just be at Messmer's side. So she'd probably kill you.
>>681196072>Blonde RykardI remember there being some evidence for this but I forget what it was. It also makes me think Radagon was somehow cuckolding Renalla, adding to her mindbreak when he left her
>>681196074Ironic considering you're willing to ignore known-unknowns for your own headcanon.
>>681196269You could literally just post those 'known-unkowns' instead of doing this retarded shitposter dance.
>>681186131Unironically she's a cute anime waifu and can get away with everything.From despite having a huge influence from western art are still deep within the waifu culture. Every souls game has some waifu servant leveling you up.The sole exception is Sekiro, and even then you still have the black haired bitch.
>>681194832>Because Miquella wants Radahn, he loves his strength and kindnessSo? I'm not denying that's what the description says, I'm criticising its narrative.>Radahn is strongUndeniably, he's the scourge of the stars, but if you couldn't have him for some reason, why not someone else? Miquella is charismatic to the point he can get anyone on board, and he already has his sister Malenia. Radahn isn't the only one to fill the role of strong, is he?>Radahn is kindSame answer. And same answer again for the "Strong and kind" combination>Self-imposed dutyWhy is Miquella such an obtuse twat? Does it really matter how he makes the world a better place so long as he does so?>Miquella's an autistic obtuse control freakThen why are there so few other instances of him being an autistic obtuse control freak? If it's a trait that's only there for this one instance, then it's a convenience for the writer and not an actual trait of a characterThe problem with Fromsoft plots is that because people spend so much time piecing together what they're saying, they don't often question if the story they're getting sucks
>>681196369>post those 'known-unkowns'
>>681196492You seem to commit the common mistake people make when criticizing fiction of thinking that everyone is like you.Miquella made a vow, disregarding whether Radahn agreed on it or not, clearly Miquella saw it as something binding.You refuse a narrative because you think you would have behaved differently. That's not how stories work.
>>681196492Miquella isn't a control freak. He's self hating and has a messiah complex. He blames himself and his lineage for things going wrong in the world because Marika was riddled with fear and anxiety after ascending to Godhood. She wanted the façade of Golden Order to be unquestionable, which made her cruel and tyrannical against things she viewed as a threat to her Order or it's image as being eternal. Anything that even hinted at a past in which the Golden Order wasn't the single overbearing Authority in the Lands between had to be quashed.Miquella is willing to go through with everything because he sees it as penance for his lineage.
At this point it's better to wait for the HBO TV show
>>681196492>why Radahn (2x)Because Miquella wanted him to be his consort.>why are there so few instancesYour Bewitching Branch? Also, he wasn’t necessarily as much of a control freak at first. He stripped parts of himself (both physical and mental) throughout the Shadow Realm, including his compassion. Road to Hell is paved with good intentions blah blah.>Miquella is charismaticIt seems that’s more to do with his power than his actual likeable personality.
>>681196072Is that Real Ranni?
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>>681195861Not that anon but you are a faggot unable to accept fair criticism for something that was badly done.Bloodborne gave us the choice to not fight gherman but From didn't even bother to justify not giving us the option to not killing miquella and now you are running in their defense for free for some reason. The dlc is so loosely tied to the base game with shit like rellana, midra and romina that feels like the whole thing is made of previously dropped ideas and you are pathetic for defending it. The dlc is not canon because is fucking dogshit lorewise.
Is there something uniquely difficult for you to understand? A character developed a blind, unhealthy obsession they pursued no matter the cost to themselves or others. If that bothers you, I don't think you should continue trying to enjoy fiction.
>>681197424But it should've been me
>>681196072>Make messmer a snake themed boss when rykard already existWhy?
>>681197303>LET ME BE A FAGGOT FROM YOU HACKSSorry, fag, but you can’t marry a man.
>>681192723but we see the battle happen in the story trailer and she only whispers in his ear and unleashes the rotflower after the fight already started https://youtu.be/K_03kFqWfqs?si=JG6i2C_uKi9LRcCl&t=120>>681194529>And why does it need to be Radahn?because miquella is a control freak and radahn is the only one who can control the stars
>>681197303One makes sense in the internal narrative, the other does not.Again, a child has better understanding of narrative.
>>681197723Yes, that's what the armor says, did you even read it?
>>681197303>The dlc is not canon because is fucking dogshit lorewiseLOL. Your faggot tranny is dead, sorry about that.
>>681197598Fair question. He already had the fire thing going on and the Abbysal Serpent/Original Sin stuff isn't really mentioned anywhere else. Personally I feel they should have dropped the snake motiff and just made him focused on the Fire. It makes sense Marika would exile her children associated with Flame, as they would have abilities with connotations towards the Cardinal Sin.
>>681197604>no argumentI don't even think the dlc was bad but the lore was so incredibly disapponting and for me miquella died when we killed mogh.
>>681195559>RanniGives you reason to fight him as there can only be one Empearean/Lord combo>Frenzy/DungeaterDo I need to put something here>GoldmaskMiquella is an uppity demigod that doesn’t fit into the GE equation>Default/FiaEhh…? Nothing too obvious here
>>681186301How much do you wanna bet "the fingers" weren't meant to be taken literally
>>681198131the question is though, why you need to pick any of those and can't just say to Miquella "wait you're making more sense than any of these clowns, go ahead"
>>681198180>The Two Fingers were probably supposed to be a secretive religious organization composed of Confessors loyal to the Greater Will instead of the Golden Order>Miyazaki makes it a literal giant pair of fingers. Very likely.
>>681189503giant but hole
>>681195559>The DLC fails to give us a reason to fight Miquella at all.Are you retarded? It's repeated over and over. You are Marika's Lord. You are the Lord of this order. Miquella does not want you as his Lord, so he's challenging your Lordship. That's why you fight him.
>>681186131He meant that being gay is for faggots.
>can't summon ranni in the radahn fightactually garbage
>>681198585you don't even have to be Marika's lord even in the base game
>>681198763A shame the DLC states over and over that you are Marika's Lord, Lord of the Old Order, and Lord of the Erdtree in the setting of the DLC, retard.Even if you weren't Marika's Lord, you are a Lord or will be a Lord, Miquella is still challenging your Lordship.
>>681198237Because the game is about (You) becoming a Lord. Going Miquella route would mean giving up that role to Radahn.>why don’t they give a Hollowing ending in Dark Souls? maybe I don’t want to be the Chosen Undead >:(((((So turn the game off after you die. Boom. There’s your Hollow ending. Same idea with a Miquella ending. Get phase 2 grabbed and turn it off.
>>681195559Bro, Miquella discarded all the qualities that made him do the good things for people in the Lands between when he began his ascension into Godhood. That's the entire theme of the game. Ambition Corrupts Purpose. He literally threw away his Love because it would have gotten in the way of achieving his goal of enforcing Harmony on the World.
>>681198324I can only imagine whatever GRRM wrote went through google translate about 5 times.
>>681186131The guy on the left is a dude.
>>681199279Hes my male wife
>>681192554Miyazaki girlbosses are all like that, you should've seen the time Tomoe got half of Ashina rotted because she kept getting her ass kicked by monks
>>681195559>The DLC fails to give us a reason to fight Miquella at all.The MC is trying to either trying to be elden lord or burn the entire world to nothing and Miquella doesn't want the player no matter how much the player might want him. In any case, shed all of his good qualities so why would even want him at that point?
>>681192936Yes, that business with Boggart was straight up staged, she assumed you'd just kill him to the extent she didn't even confirm it when you get back, just assumes and offers you a club membershipThere's a reason Patches is hanging around the area and points you to her, the entire thing was a setup
>>681198938this is more akin to how Sekiro gives you an alternative ending for sticking with Owl and you know it
>>681193505No, he's right. Rya ate some prawn and Boggart took her necklace in exchange, she's just that stupid.
>>681199425Ranni exists though, she genuinely achieves a tonAnd if you're going on about side effects to what she does, same applies to all the male characters
>>681195559You have been emboldened by the flame of ambition. There can be only one.
>>681195103Rennala looks like THAT!? Damn, if only she lost the clown hat, let her hair down and started dressing more provocatively to show off her giant boobs.
>>681199885>she genuinely achieves a tonYeah she probably racked up the highest bodycount of innocent collateral damage out of any of the girlbosses including the most beloved demigod of her timeand then she sits around for 1000 years until (You) come and complete her quest for her
>>681199685No, it’s more like Rykard’s “choice” of becoming a part of his snake.
>>681199685>do nothing ending>actually do something ending>these are the same because.. THEY JUST ARE OKAY!? AND YOU KNOW IT!!
>>681199885She has her simps do all the legwork. Same with Fia. Millicent is the only woman in the game I can think of who actually pulls her weight.
>>681199027Why did he need to do that to become a God? There is no answer to this question. He just did. Bad writing.
Given Miquella's whole thing about abandoning her Love and Compassion, it would have made more sense if Radahn was chosen as Consort on purely practical reasons because he's the strongest, as opposed to Radahn being Miquella's boyhood crush and the whole fiasco being some true love thing.
>>681199885>>681200397Also Nepheli. And I haven't gotten to the new stuff yet so I can't speak for that.
>>681200397We babysit Millicent from beginning to end but its true she's at least willing to do some legwork, even if she just makes bosses tankierThe true girlboss is Anastasia, she's a strong independent maiden that don't need no Tarnished (except for supper)
>>681200029she didn't need (you) in particular though, she mostly needed (someone) to kill off Radahn alreadyHad Malenia actually done the job proper she would have likely gotten away with everything already in the sheer chaos of the shattering and her bodycount of collateral damage is absolutely nothing compared to what Miquella or Radagon pulled>>681200397She slays her two-fingers herself though, and it's not just her who has some other people do the legwork, like Goldmask also is pretty useless unless you figure out the Marika-Radagon connection Every npc needs help at some point, Millicent also doesn't do much if you don't give her that arm
>>681200441If he still possessed his Love he wouldn't have had the compunction to go through with what had to be done to create his New Order
>>681200442>boyhood crushThis is just such a bizzare choice on the behalf of the writing team to have Miquella get Malenia to nuke Caelid just because his half-brother doesn't reciprocate his affection
>>681198907But I'm the Lord of Frenzied Flame, it doesn't matter if Miquella become a god since I'm melting the world anyway.
>>681197169Ranni's corpse has red hair
>>681200760Also kind of raises the question why Miquella couldn't just have inherited Marika's position in a standard fashion. Why go through the trouble of usurping her Godhood?
>>681200613Her laundry list was so ridiculous that she needed a vyke/bernahl tier champion to do it all for her. And Iji/Blaidd/Seluvis was who she was stuck with all this time so she hadn't moved her plot forward one inch.Let's not forget how often she tries to chase you off, you basically have to hound her at every step to let her do stuff for her.Imagine how long she'd be cockblocked by that baleful shadow without the Tarnished. She had NO FUCKING PLAN.
>>681197965>The dlc is not canon because is fucking dogshit lorewiseexactly
>>681200930The entire thing is designed to be a bloodbowl where everyone usurps each other.
>>681200760It's even weirder how Miquella wanted an age of compassion with warmonger Radahn as his consort. I mean, Marika picked Godfrey because he was a psychopath battle autist and ultimately drove him off once peacetime arrived.People will say its proof Miquella is akshually evil/stupid but it just doesn't mesh with any pre-DLC lore. It's just horrendous writing.
>>681200760>Miquelon get Malenia to nukeThat wasn’t necessarily part of the plan, throughbeit. Malenia chose to Scarlet Rot nuke Caelid because her pride couldn’t accept defeat (as stated by Millicent)
>>681196161I think one of his portraits in the manor show him having light hair.
>>681201074but the base game says the God is the one that holds the Elden Ring
>>681195559>No, I'm about to burn it/have already burned it.if that's the case you'd still be against MIquella you retard lmfao
>>681192723>he refused Miquella's proposalHow did he refuse his magic mindrape powers?
I just realised, if you haven't burned the Erdtree yet, Melina is still with you. It's weird that she doesn't even have a single line about it. Hell if they're lazy they could have her say in text only that she can't follow you to the land of shadows.
>>681196161>Radagon was somehow cuckolding RenallaNah, if we know anything about Radagon its that he was loyal, warm and genuine. Unlike Marika. I'm certain he didn't want to cuck Renalla but he's beholden to forces that he could not resist and even his parting from her was apologetic.
>>681201442The entirety of Melina feels like an unfinished and tacked on Storyline they couldn't fully remove because she was in an add.
>>681195559>Heart Stolen
>missed a quest in dlcUhh this mean I have to NG+, get to mohg, and do this all over again?
>>681201442They gave the doll in bloodborne new voice lines for the Old Hunters DLC. I'm surprised none of the base game NPCs care about your adventure in the Shadow Lands. I held off on burning the Erdtree and finishing Millicent's questline expecting there to be some tie-ins
How my frenzy friends holding up now that the dlc confirms you are a retard? >>681201434He is THAT much of a gigachad, canonically.
>>681201479The only thing we know about Radagon is that he was dogmatically loyal to the Golden Order, because he's probably Marika's faith the same way Trina is Miquella's love.
>>681201479>Nah, if we know anything about Radagon its that he was loyal, warm and genuine>Betrays his wife and drives her insane>Two of your children utterly betray everything you ever stood for>Your little girl, at the least, fucking hates youI don't think Radagon was a good dad.
>>681201442And Gideon is deeply interested in finding out the whereabouts of Miquella, don't forget how much of his motivation is gaining access to the Haligtree at any cost. But nothing. This DLC is total dogshit at a lore level. I'm actually surprised From dropped the ball this hard when they were poised to really go all out this time with all the normalfag cash.Hell we barely get any cutscenes or any voicelines WITHIN the DLC from the important characters.
>>681201269You hold the Elden Ring by ripping it from the womb of your predecessor. That's the true meaning of the Crucible.
>>681201679Radahn loves Radagon. Ranni is just a massive momma's girl and hates her dad for divorcing her mom
>>681201658Frenzyfags completely won, we already knew you were becoming a host to the flame.
>>681200963only because she got Radahn blocked and had to wait ages for someone capable of taking him down and by then the black knives had already caught onto the fact Ranni wasn't really on their sideIf shit doesn't go south and Malenia actually kills Radahn, it's possible she still had Alecto to do her bidding which absolutely would have sufficed as a champion
>>681198131Getting to side with Ranni proves that I don't have to fight every Empyrean I see as if I'm a black man in a TV shop. Regardless, I'm not sure what your point in citing all these is? The mere fact the player can choose different endings, and several don't mean becoming elden lord, proves we're not married to any one fixed order. We can choose. We can value different angles on lordship. I'm not trying to go hyper open-world and say we need a Morgott ending or Prawnman ending, but how hard would it have been to summon Miquella at the end instead and do a lazy ending like all the other endings are?>>681198585>>681198938>>681199941But I don't have to be Elden Lord at all. I can go away with Ranni, or I can burn it all down. If these endings didn't exist, then I'd understand I'm somehow playing a hyper-compelled faggot who must do everything Marika says wait didn't Marika's grace favour Godfrey over me when we met?, but as it is, claiming the player-character is hyper-possessive over it contradicts the base game lore. Which is why I'm saying it's bad.>>681201304Miquella has to burn the erdtree too if he wants to get the elden ring. Everyone does
>>681201806What are you talking about? Radahns entire personality is his idolization of Godfrey, Radahn's predesesccors.
>>681201671You can see from ingame lore that he interacted with his children much more than Marika (who told them all to make something of themselves else they'd be sacrificed) and he left Rennala with a rather substantial consolation gift. Even if his actions were always dictated by the GO, there's personal touches that show he carried them out with a humanity that's totally missing from Marika. Which makes sense considering he is what she is not.
>>681201806>Ranni is just a massive momma's girl and hates her dad for divorcing her momIf a little girl ends up liking her mom more than her dad, then daddy has done something very wrong at some point in raising her. Girls usually simp for their fathers. So Radagon must've been a shit dad.
>>681201706It's actually surprising how unpolished the DLC feels considering it's 40 fucking dollars and they had 2 years to work on it. Not every main boss has a cut scene. Sparse voice lines. No multiple endings or choices. No tie-ins to the base game
>>681195103nice booba. artist? I cant read his little tag there
>>681201220she didn't drove him off because she needed a peacetime rulershe drove him off because even in his Godfrey persona he was refusing to go along with the golden order programHell one of the deciding factors might even have been the fact that Godfrey actually cared about Morgot rather than treating him like the omen garbage he should have treated him
>>681201658Feels bad man. That route exists solely for the Melina being linked to the GEQ stuff now.
>>681201920Yes but he wears his red hair proudly out of love and respect for his father hence his followers being called the Redmanes
>>681201897The DEFAULT goal of a Tarnished is the Age of Fracture ending. The DLC either takes place after you've already done this ending, or you're just a tarnished pursuing Elden Lord.So weird how you quote two endings where you're a Lord as a contradiction to this as well. LORD of Frenzied Flame. You are Ranni's LORD in that ending.
>>681202061I think that was a ceremonial thing, Rykard's troops had the same red hair thing, but he very clearly didn't give a single shit about Radagon's philosophy.
>>681201897You're still Elden Lord in Ranni's ending moron. Just in an autistic space order.
>>681201706>>681201982The funniest part to me is that they clearly used Radahn to try and pander but all his normie fanboys HATE what the DLC did to him.
>>681202127He has dialog where he proclaims himself son of Renalla and red-haired Radagon, he clearly loves his father.
>>681201434>No way fag
>>681202252Who the fuck wants their beloved character to come back as a gay zombie in what is probably the worst fight Fromsoft has ever created?
>>681202138>>681202108Ranni and I fuck off and leave it all behind, what are you on about?And oh yeah, because Marika really wants me to become the lord of Frenzied Flame, tell me more about how that choice makes her happy.>The DLC either takes place after you've already done this ending, or you're just a tarnished pursuing Elden Lord.What's your point with this, if you can be more precise? Because I'm not seeing the problem with this in anything I said
>>681202394An Elden Lord is just the consort of the goddess with the Elden Ring. In Ranni's ending, she is the goddess with the Elden Ring, she just fucks off with it into space with you.
>>681202394Marika wants Total Greater Will Death and she's not picky about how it happens
>>681195559St. Trina tells you to kill Miquella.But that's optional content so yeah, if you don't do the St. Trina quest line it doesn't make sense narratively to kill Miquella.
>>681202394>And oh yeah, because Marika really wants me to become the lord of Frenzied Flame, tell me more about how that choice makes her happyMarika doesn't care. Madness is at the root of her story, if you want to nuke it all you're just finishing what she started.
>>681202394The Tarnished in the DLC is Marika's Lord. Not Ranni's, not the Lord of Frenzied Flame, etc. They are the Tarnished either pursuing the throne, thus just pursuing Marika, or they are a Tarnished that has already become Marika's Lord. And in Ranni's ending, you are her Lord. Are you stupid? I never said LoFF makes Marika happy either, just that you're still a Lord. Your Lordship would still be challenged.
>>681202287Yet he wants to destroy the Golden Order and even helped Ranni in her plan to assassinate Godwyn. If that can still count as "loving his father" then Ranni herself never says anything negative about Radagon. In fact, she says exactly zero about him.
>cross save only works when playing ps4 characters on ps5 and not the other way aroundSo if I play a ps4 character and then play that same character on my ps5 will i lose all my progress if I move back to the ps4 version?
>>681202619Missed opportunity. If we have to suffer through all this retarded god drama at least let there be more shittalking.
>>681202662maybe but why the fuck would you swap consoles like that?
>>681202472>she is the goddess with the Elden Ringwrong
>>681202579I think you're being overly autistic in interpreting the dialogue, they consider you Marika's chosen because you are guided by her grace. Even if you're pursuing Ranni's ending, Marika is helping you the entire way.
>>681202619Radahn did not help Ranni's plans and did not betray the Golden Order. He attacked Leyndell once, but it's being run by a fucking Omen who for all anybody knows is just stopping anyone from becoming Elden Lord.
>>681202719I think you need to rewatch her ending cutscene, because you may be retarded.
>>681202707I suppose you wouldn't, but I downloaded the ps4 version of the game onto my ps5 because that's the best way to play this game unless you have a computer so beefy you can strongarm the shit PC preformance.
>>681202769FromSoft can straight up tell you something right to your face and you'll still be wary because you're an ambiguity slave.
>>681202862I think you just don't' want to accept that Marika is fine with dying as long as the Fingers and the GO get fucked.
>>681202817watch the japanese version instead of butchered english versionher entire thing is explicitly refusing godhood and all the trappings that come with itshe technically has the ability to become a god but she never does
>>681202953Thanks for saying that for me. I definitely said that. Retard
>>681190161Radahn told Miquella to fuck off. The fact he had to incarnate him into Mohg corpse and make him only slightly more than a puppet should tell you as much.
even when i am going to beat radahn i am going to feel 0 happiness, just grateful that rng blessed mefucking retarded shitty boss
>>681202701I do think it's a shame there's no interaction. Ranni should talk about it if you kill Rykard, say more when you kill Radahn, talk about you beating up her mom, and have ANYTHING to say about her dad.>>681202784Ranni literally have Rykard an anti-death artifact to help him in case Maliketh wanted revenge on him.
>>681202784>>681203090Oh, I see the confusion. Anon, I said RYKARD.
Why does Japan love LGBT so much?
>>681202968The Japanese version has her do the same thing? She takes the Elden Ring and fucks off into space.>Rejects godhoodShe does this by fucking off into space with the Elden Ring (having this makes you a goddess) so she doesn't rule over anybody.
>>681202494That contradicts her permitting the Goldmask ending which is meant to perfect the Golden Order>>681202560Then why the fuck would she care about me veering off script with Miquella? You just nuked your own argument>>681202579The DLC has to tie back into the base game which gives choices or reflects past choices. Just to make sure you're not missing the point, a criticism of SoTE is that it's rigidly defining the player's purpose and setting limitations based on that, in ways that contradict potential routes in the base game. If I can do things besides mending the elden ring, and if I can pick routes from a sociopath or chaos incarnate, why is it only sensible to force a fight with someone who doesn't want to fight me based on those things?>Are you stupid?No, I'm just the only one of us thinking things through.
>>681202968>she technically has the ability to become a godshe doesn't, that's precisely why she killed her bodyit was her empyrian body that could hold the Elden Ring
>>681203090I mean you didn't really beat up her mom, you broke her bubble, then beat up an illusion Ranni conjured as a contingency to defend her mom
>>681203236samurai were famous boy fuckers. they love this shit
>>681202968So what you're saying is her ending is fucking pointless?Because since we cleared the way, somebody can just go to the Shadow Lands and become a God at the Divine Gate and maje their own new world order after the Tarnished and Ranni fuck off into space, if she's not a God.
>>681203280The DLC really fucks the base game over, if you dare to think about it
>>681203280He's just stupid, he doesn't realize Ranni's Age is fucking reliant on her taking the Elden Ring away so people can't fuck with it or even prove it's real.
>>681195395There nothing that states that there is a moon god. Ranni is specifically leaving woth thebplayer character so that the elden ring is far, far away from the lands inbetween so that the people can live free of it's influence.
Impregnating Miquella!!!
>>681203280the DLC is stupid
>>681203271You did smack a retarded old lady in the face a little bit, even if she didn't come to serious harm.
>>681201921Radagon's big joy from Miquella is when Miquella displays a new aspect of Golden Order fundamentalism, which pleases Radagon's faith. The exact reason why he gave Renalla the Rune of Rebirth is unknown.
>>681203250The Golden Order doesn't need the Greater Will's direct influence, in fact that's impossible since the GW has been noncommunicative for ages.Marika wants you to kill the Elden Beast, anything after that is your just reward even if that is melting the world into oneness.
>>681203489He meant the dog.
>>681203585YJK
>>681203236Humiliation ritual post so anons will bully this sister.
I'm not gay but I would fuck the shit out of Miquella, man.
>>681203503Grand. Let me kill the elden beast, then create a gentler world with Miquella. Nobody's mad
>>681203250>a criticism of SoTE is that it's rigidly defining the player's purpose and setting limitations based on that, in ways that contradict potential routes in the base gameSo true! That's why you were saying the same thing when the other games in the franchise had DLC set in the future that didn't perfectly reflect some random ending you might've gotten right? This is not real criticism.I still don't see your point with Miquella "not wanting to fight you" based on the other endings. Miquella wants to rule the new age, and has already chosen his consort. You either yield your Lordship or kill him. It's not that complicated. Every ending involves you becoming Lord, even if the DLC implies the ending it's based off of is Age of Fracture.
>>681195559Miquella coerciones people by making them love/adore him. He literally mindfucks people. His kinder world is going to be accomplished by mass mindcontrol. Its literally spelled out for you. He himself has also lost his ability to love. This is also directly stated. He uses love to control people while not feeling love himself.
>>681203503the Elden Beast IS the Elden Ringyou can see the scar in the Elden Beast because of Marika breaking the ringthat was the fucking entire point of the base gamethe God was whom hold the Elden Beast inside themthat's why Marika couldn't break free from GW because the Elden Beast was a vassal of GW and wouldn't go against it unless someone beat it at the end of the game the Tarnished beat the Elden Beast making it unconsciousthe DLC is fucking shit lorewise
>>681203758>He himself has also lost his ability to loveHe didn't lose it, he abandoned it voluntarily.
Elden ring says trans rights
All i took from the dlc is that miquella is a twink faggot god degenerate that want to be railed by his big brother even if he doesn't consent, that alone is a good reason to end his li->>681203410Holy this theres a new Zako?
>>681203758So what? The second his enchantment on the simp squad ends they all run off randomly and start getting riled up to kill each other. In the end most of them still join him, and the only ones that don't do so because they're even bigger simps for someone else.
>>681203949Sorry but this is a gay pedophile incest necrophile game not a trans game
>>681186131>Ranni the doll murders her brotherHalf brother to be fair. Unless you mean Radahn but honestly doing him a favor at that point he was long gone. I mean in hindsight it's less of a favor now but before that it was kind of a mercy.
>>681203734>So true! That's why you were saying the same thing when the other games in the franchise had DLC set in the future that didn't perfectly reflect some random ending you might've gotten right? This is not real criticism.How do you know I wasn't? Are you listening to yourself right now? I don't wanna waste my time with someone imagining a strawman in their head and attacking that instead of trying to understand somebody>I still don't see your point with Miquella "not wanting to fight you" based on the other endingsMiquella constantly asks you before the fight to walk with him, to join together.>even if the DLC implies the ending it's based off of is Age of Fracture.Can you give some citations to back what makes you think they're implying that?>>681203758Sounds like what I did with Goldmask. I wasn't forced to fight him
>>681203236shotas are taboo, so it gets you hot and bothered "down there" if you know what I mean. Kinda like with how popular incest porn is in the States
>>681203997>Holy this theres a new Zako? don't bother, it's some weird child rape shit. Feel like I'm on a list somewhere after reading it
>>681204161>I mean in hindsight it's less of a favor now but before that it was kind of a mercy.Jerren can never know what occurred in the DLC
>>681204390Could these guys plus Miquella's gank team have killed Radahn?
>>681188807One of his followers is a rot guy like Gowry
how was Radahn so fucking respected that random tarnished are willing to go out and try to put him to rest? Godfrey is actually alive and no one is rallying around him like I feel they absolutely should have
>>681204163I know you didn't because if this ending shit was such a big issue you would've quit. Because it's in every fucking game. >to walk with him, to join together.So are you complaining he's not fighting you motivated by the fact LoFF would go against what he wants? Or what? You are the one aggressing Miquella, you are the one forcing the fight.>Can you give some citations to back what makes you think they're implying that?Maybe the countless times you're called "Lord of the Erdtree", "Lord of Marika" and etc? The other endings wouldn't track as well as the Fracture ending to these titles.
>>681204478>Could these guys plus Miquella's gank team have killed Radahn?prime gigachad Radahn? No chance
>>681204603I mean festival Radahn.
>>681204721oh, probably yea, if they all don't get annihilated by his meteor attack
>>681204569>GodfreyRadhan is in the Lands Between and has a whole fort dedicated to findign a way to kill him. Godfrey was banished with most of his army and then spent centuries wandering and doing whatever people do outside for the land betweens.
>>681204569Radahn can arrest the stars and is so autistic nothing can influence him. He has the ability to no way fag reality itself until we kill him.
>>681204339>spoilergosh, how terrifying. i will be sure to not read it. i'll be back in 20 minutes.
>>681186131https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV12T421e7NB/>"I hereby swear...to every living being, and every living soul.">"Now comes the Age of our Eden.">"A thousand year voyage, guided by compassion.">"Beginning here, love encompasses all.">No living thing will be denied.>"No deed censured.">"I am ready, to embrace the whole of it.">"Let us go together. Radahn, my promised consort.Why is Miquella a plagiarist?
>>681192723Wtf... this is disgusting."You WILL be a pedo""What!?""Did I stutter!?"
>>681204534He took in the kindred because Malenia rejected themOddly enough Gowry and the Kindred aren't truly aligned and the Kindred aren't inherently malicious. Just sort of incompatible with non scarlet rot life. The DLC shows that some are friendly and they're almost childlike.Gowry on the hand seems to be a direct agent of the rot god and is only possessing the body of a kindred, he thinks they're "witless pests"In Miquella's order everyone would get along one way or another and that includes kindred.
>niggas think Radahn is mind-controlled>they still don't know you can get tgis dialog from Radahn by trying to use Mohg's Shackle on him>I am Radahn.>Born of red-maned Radagon, and Rennala of the Full Moon.>A lion bred for battle.
>>681205085>>niggas think Radahn is mind-controlledHe is you'll get how it works when you eventually get to the dlc.
>>681194529The entire lore is about gay pedo incest. Holy fucking shit and they're not joking. What the hell
Imagine getting resurrected in the body of a weird fucked up guy when you were a big muscular guy before
>>681204971They very clearly wanted Miquella + Radahn to be the opposite of You + Ranni, with him mirroring her.
>>681200441You need to be a god to merge with the elden ring properr, as evident by Marika becoming a goddess in the DLC trailer.>But he was an empyrean!His and Melania's Fingers are nuked like all the others probably because they kept their great runes. Ranni was the slated Marika successor, not Miquella.Miquella needed Mohg as a bridge to enter the shadow realm, where as it's likely if Ranni accepted her fate the fingers would have taken her to the gate of divinity themselves.
>>681205047>He took in the kindred because Malenia rejected themCan you blame her? All those silverfish people and rotten butterflies want her to kill the rest of the world with aids.
>>681186131>miquella knows about the festival>didn't send anyone to join inwhy
How do I get a Miquella bf?
>>681205576Nah, early Malenia was probably a nice girlShame we only meet her when she's so buckbroken by the rot god that her own clone thinks she's pathetic
>>681186925imaging having 4 arms like that, think of all the vidya you could playyou could play co-op beat em ups by yourself
>>681202018I’m pretty sure Godfrey’s exile was the first part of Marika’s “Fuck the GW” plan. She needed to make an army of tarnished outside of the GW’s control. Godfrey may even have been in on the plan.
>>681205585You'd think he'd plan to use Radahn's own body and just resurrect him. Sure he couldn't predict Alexander eating him but still, that he already planned for a fucked up omen body to the extent that he'd make such a pact with Mogh makes all this seem like an asspull.>>681205606just be a gigachad demigod and play hard to get
>>681205482And yet Ranni never helps me in battle, against either Radahn and Miquella or Radagon and the Elden Beast.
>>681205585He sent Okina.
>>681205843>GWOr fingers. Really with people barely dying in the lands between or being will bound to demigods it makes sense having a foriegn army die off elsewhere and come back when the hellscape of the shattering calmed down.Apparently this war has been going on for like a thousand years and all the soldiers are pale and mind fucked. The dead clearly aren't staying dead for very long for a war like that just keep going and going.
>>681206016she's a lover (mine) and not a fighter. I have my dragon wife fight with me instead
>>681206016Truth is Ranni can't really intervene which is why she leans so heavily on errand boys like (You)She can instakill you in her own tower and protect her mother sure, but these are both places that belong to her.She is incredibly weak on her own in places outside her domain as the game demonstrates. There's a steep price for ditching your demigod body and inhabiting a sleepy puppet it turns out.
>Radahn dies, body is gone, Miquella wants him as his consort>Miquella makes a pact with Mohg to use his body to revive Radahn's soul intoAm I understanding this right?
>>681206298> makes a pactPretty sure he mindraped him into compliance no
>>681195856>>681193045When she sends you after Blackguard (who is tarnished), she asks (You) (also tarnished) if you have any issue killing your own. She's scouting for tarnished who don't have reserves killing other tarnished. She knows exactly what's going on, retard.
>>681206389Why the fuck did he pick mogh if he could just mindcontrol anyone
>>681206298Mohg probably did not consent to that one.However if Miquella's mind rape powers were what everyone thinks they are, he could have just forced Mohg to go kill Radahn himself.
>>681206515Because Mogh has fallen for the mind control before. His flesh is weak.
>>681206515because hes a big guy
>>681206389But the rest is right? The final boss in the DLC is Radahn in Mohg's body with Miquella?
>>681206515only demigod with remains suitable for using? radahn's obviously out, ranni's obviously out, godrick's obviously out, it'd basically come down to between morgott and mohg
>>681206515he couldnt mind fuck his mother, probably guessing he couldnt mind fuck this particular brother
>>681191935>check this 5nice
>>681206605Messmer's right there and you have to kill him anyway>but the base serpentOmen aren't exactly pristine either and Mogh is full of the formless mother's AIDS blood to boot
So miquella wants to rape his older brother?
>>681204582>Because it's in every fucking game.Now you're equating the plot quality of this game to every other one. DS1 is a much more cohesive game than Elden Ring despite having a simpler world, and Oolacile is better experienced before its actual endgame if you're looking for a narrative. What ones are you thinking of that are forced to be narratively post-game?>Maybe the countless times you're called "Lord of the Erdtree", "Lord of Marika" and etc? The other endings wouldn't track as well as the Fracture ending to these titles.The dialogue I remember all said I strove to become a lord, not that I actually was on. I played on a character who hadn't actually burned the erdtree or killed the elden beast yet. I doubt there are, but are there known differences based on the base game's status?>You are the one aggressing Miquella, you are the one forcing the fight.Yes, because I don't have the option not to. You are this close to understanding me.
>>681206502Nah, she doesn't even know there are other serpents at volcano manor. The necklace description says Boggart did actually steal it, and when she sends you after it she never asks you to kill him, just confront him. She knows knights are supposes to be merciless, that doesn't mean she's enticing you to murder.
>>681207262Naive. Patches isn't there, in the know, coincidentally.
>>681206783I don't think Miquella cares about AIDS since he is fucking gay for Radahn anyways.
>>681207363He is actually, he was just in the area hunting for prawn.
>>681195856You are so painfully retarded, jesus christ.
>>681207262>Nah, she doesn't even know there are other serpents at volcano manor.She wouldn't have to know that to know about the murderous death cult going on>and when she sends you after it she never asks you to kill him, just confront him. You are as gullible as you're claiming her to be if you honestly think she wasn't asking you to kill him>>681207459>>681207363Patches is there helping her scout. You think it's a coincidence he directs you to Rya if you haven't met her yet?
>>681194226weren't all of them supposed to kill each other to find the successor when the time comes
>>681207459If by prawn you mean aspiring snakefood tarnished sure
>>681207262Follow her quest to the end and she says she is going to found other manors and restart what Tanith did.She was always pro-Manor and only cares about champions.
>during the leaksThis is so bad, it looks like a well made mod.>dlc comes outthis is such great lore! 10/10
>>681207386then he shouldn't care about big girthy snakes either because he's fucking gay
>>681204569The tarnished are at least partially motivated by trying to get Radahn’s great rune.
>>681207762>this is such great lore! 10/10you're the only one saying this
>>681206515>did he pick moghHe didn't. He's an eternal child who wanted to become a god (somehow), so he went to sleep and everyone else just did things that worked out in his favour until DLC final fight.
>>681206582yea
>>681207762>this is such great lore! 10/10There's more hate for the lore this time around than From's ever gotten
>>681207762Amazing what not framing something around boy lover shit can do to someone's perception.Really makes you think!>>681207934Only for the gameplay with him being too overtuned for marketing memes. The lore is pure kino.
>>681207762This shit was a 6/10 on a good day. Terrible bosses, mediocre design legacy dungeons outside of shit like the Manse, the lore was okay, new weapons are stuck in the DLC which you have to beat Mohg and Radahn to get to anyways, tons of empty space with nothing in it, just generally mediocre. It was more of the same but with the bad parts cranked up to 11. The final boss was shit in terms of gameplay, at least with Malenia, outside of getting caught in an unexpected Waterfowl, it was a relatively straightforward fight with the gimmick of her health regen. For this shit, you just pray he doesn't do certain moves if you're not light rolling because your likelihood of evading if you're not using the deflecting hardtear is a crapshoot.
>>681208124>the lore was okayNo it wasn't
>>681208186The lore is phenomenal.
Co-op is an absolute crapshoot right now>hosts won't have any scadus>hosts will hide and expect you to beat the boss for them
>>681208565They just keep avoiding every boss and they wonder why they call this game hard. It’s clear many have never played any souls game before this one
>>681207610Yes, Patches really was there by coincidence, and she absolutely does not ask you to kill him. And he did steal the necklace, it wasn't all a setup.>>681207691No I mean giant crayfish to sell.>>681207760She knows nothing of the manor's true nature.
>you get a different hand-to-hand weapon from Dane depending on when you kill himWhat the fuck?
>>681208868he achieved enlightenment under a waterfall (where you find his armor set) and started kicking more
>>681208969what waterfall is this
>>681208565>hosts will hide and expect you to beat the boss for themTrue Reddit culture
>>681209016on the way to abysall woods, the waterfall next to the grace before the spot with 2 hippos
it's up
you belong to marikaend of story>muh ranni>muh frenzynon-canon
>>681208868Do his quest a specific way and you get both of his weapons to dual wield them.
The difference between Ranni and Miquella is that Ranni's very pro-self choice whereas Miquella sees himself as being the only one worthy of making any true choices.RAnni gives you the option to quit at any time and basically frees the world from the Golden Order and the Outer Gods trying to control the destinies of men. They can fuck up but they're free to make their own choices instead of being at the fault of some unknowable cosmic being.Miquella can't take no for an answer and tried killing you on the spot because you could possibly reject him, did the same thing to Radahn to make him an obedient meat puppet, and wants to basically eradicate free will entirely to make the world a paradise.
>>681209267How does Ranni's ending stop outer gods?
>>681209267Humiliation ritual post.
the dlc ruined mohg's character
>>681209491>boypussy hypnotizes a man into becoming a devout satanistnah it makes sense
>>681209397Elden Ring is no longer around which greatly removes the ability of the outer gods to influence anythingMarika sealing away just the rune of death already fucked that over immensely and that was just 1 rune
>>681209397>How does Ranni's ending stop outer gods?You'll get it when you actually do Age of Stars. >gods fighting over ring>remove the ring>???>profit>>681209491Its good that it vindicated him so that he wasn't a gay rapist.
>>681209397Read her Japanese lines.
>>681209267>miquella nuked caelid, turned his "consort" into a husk of his former self that feasts on men, abandoned malenia, and brainwashed mohg because radahn didn't want to rail himwhat was his fucking problem
>>681209397moon powered anti-bullshit shield
>>681208386Ansbach is phenomenal. Igon is phenomenal. The plot of the greater story they're in is awful even by From's standards
>>681209267>Miquella can't take no for an answerThis would be easier to accept if we could give him a yes or no answer, instead of just no
>>681209153>summon hornsent for the messmer fight>he's genuinely thankful and calls you his brother in arms>goes insane and invades you in the scarlet rot areaMan fuck you
so if miquella is supposed to be ER's griffith is st trina as cloase as you can get to the moonlight child
Guys, I'm obsessed.Sincerely thinking of a starting a full new playthrough just for roleplay reasons.
>>681209615It is the same in english (also official).
>>681210254
>>681210163>so if miquella is supposed to be ER's griffithHe isn't. There is no griffith in this game.
>>681210350>I'm illiterateOkay thanks for telling me.
>>681208565>hosts will hide and expect you to beat the boss for themHaha not really, I only had a couple like this and I'd just beat the boss down to 50% and let them kill me. The host would die before the session even ended.99% of my hosts were so aggro I had to be even more aggro to keep the boss from smashing their heads in which usually ended up getting me killed or eating into my flasks way too early.The most successful runs were when the host knew how to play the back and forth game, strangely a lot of these guys beat it on the first try (they watched the midfight cinematic all the way through) and honestly probably didn't need to summon
>>681209582>Elden Ring is no longer around which greatly removes the ability of the outer gods to influence anythingWhy? Malenia was born under the influence of the god of rot.From all the other replies this seems like complete wishful thinking. I mean it's not like anything is stopping someone from going to the Gate of Divinity and becoming a God there either.
>>681208969You find that armor set on a corpse underneath a waterfall, that's not Dane
>>681210441Its fine if you are an idiot anon it doesn't effect me.
>>681210826>No ulmao
>>681210254You've had too much cough syrup Trinasimp
>>681210426>He doesn't know
>>681206170cute, i like to think that Ranni knew we could have handled them by ourself
>>681210943>t. Guy who has only seen The Boss Baby
Do you think the lazy Radhan rehash fight will be remembered as fondly down the line as the wholly original final bosses of previous From DLCs like Gael, Orphan, Friede, etc?
>>681210817That's just the usual fromsoft lack of attention to details.It's the only way to get his armor set (excep the hat), and his weapon's description literally said he trained under a waterfall>He acquired these skills by training with the aid of a waterfall; letting the water beat his body, and throwing himself into its basin.Sure if you want to believe this is a different martial art guy who came along and died there while Dane was training then be my guest.
>>681210817If you don't do the emote thing correctly and just attack the dane at the grace he disappears in gold light.The dane we've been meeting has been an illusion.
>Radagon and offspring - Giants' curse>Messmer and Melina - Serpent and/or GEQ's curse>Morgott and Mohg - Hornsent curse>Malenia - Rot god curseSo what's the origin Miquella's youth curse?None of these are just "natural defects", so his has to be caused by some external entity too.
>>681210103Death to all hornsent. Divinity through jars my ass. Buncha dumbfucks
>>681211356That's just something dryleaf monks do retard, Dane's not the only one. Perhaps the only surviving one though.
>>681211125The what?
>>681211476Thollier does that too, I mistook him for an owl at first and bonked him
>>681211673>I mistook him for an owHe only has himself to blame.Its cool his eyeslots are so low on the mask (for reading), it means he is looking at your feet to fight.
>Ranini>100% correct about the fingers being absolute cunts illuminati controlling everything>tells Tarnished she wants to fucking kill the fingers and nope the fuck out of the entire system>actually does what she says she'll do>Miquella>100% angry about not getting his bussy destroyed by Radahn who was too busy holding up the Golden Order and stopping the stars themselves>tells everyone he wants to make a peaceful world for all the losers>lied about it to everyone because he was obsessed with RadahnThat's the difference.
>>681211529>people returning to monke>"they are cursed, lock them away"
>>681186131Miquella is definitely repeating Marika's mistakesRanni is only maybe repeating Marika's mistakes
>>681211476>>681211356>>681210817On a similar note, you get his hat after the duel but he still has his hat in the Leda fight. Could this have been a different monk!?!?!!?!1111>>681211586His weapon's description strongly implies that no, this is his own thing. Not that other monks couldn't train under a waterfall, but that's how they've always did NPC quest.>A technique for hand-to-hand combat without the aid of a weapon. This martial art focuses on kicking techniques. This kick-based martial art is unique to Dane, a Dryleaf and sworn ally of Leda. He acquired these skills by training with the aid of a waterfall; letting the water beat his body, and throwing himself into its basin.
Ansbach was an incredibly chill and fine lad.Maybe Mohg wasnt really that bad after all bros?
I'm farming rune arcs as a sunbro and every other summon is malenia and they all die to the dive bomb on phase 2 start how do I stop them from dyingshould I just start activating dlc summon pools
>>681209145He was pretty straightforward with all of it.The only thing I disagree with is the notion that Metyr and the Fingers were broken and cut off for a very long time.I think the cutoff is probably right around when the Land of Shadow was sealed. With Metyr in the seal, it'd make sense that she, and thus the fingers, would be cut off from the GW.Everything up to that point seems in line with what the GW would have wanted:>Fingers plant the Erdtree in the Crucible>Guide Marika in seducing the Hornsent and getting the Elden Ring>Lead her along to removing Destined Death from the ring so the souls get hewn into the Erdtree instead of dying>Take out the Giants who would be the ones with fire to take out the ErdtreeEverything up to that point seems pretty in line to have the Erdtree secured for eternity. It's just that Marika finally wised up that the tree was all the GW cared about and she started to fuck up it's endless age.
>>681188946RESIST MOHG, YOU HAVE TO FIGHT IT
>>681212012What if he has more than one hat, makes more sense than him giving you a ghost hat
>cant dab on Malenia by showing her Miquella's circlet after you kill him fully>cant save Melina without pissing her off with Frenzy by using Messmers kindling instead>cant unlock a secret Placidusax mega fight where you piss him off by showing up after a Bayle communion>cant reveal Gideon everything>cant alter Ranni's questline after dealig with MetyrWHY IS MIYAZAKI LIKE THIS?????
>>681212016He's lost his trident forehead tattoo and his red eyes are overwhelmingly clouded with graceIf anything i'm convinced he's a civilized old chap now because he's back on Marika's straight and narrow
>>681210254so where does her nectar come from
>>681212052The only way your interpretation works is if the item descriptions and Ymir are both lying. The GW isn't involved in any capacity and fucked off completely leaving only Metyr and the Elden Beast behind.I don't even care what vaati shilled and said, I'm just going based on what's explicitly available in the game.
>>681212047Equip perfume bottle and blow her up in 10 seconds, otherwise there's nothing you can do.
>>681212052>The only thing I disagree with is the notion that Metyr and the Fingers were broken and cut off for a very long timeYou're wrong, the question is why.
>>681212176Ok but Freya gives you her shield yet she still has it in the fight. Surely she doesn't just own/procure a 2nd lion shield.
>>681212301Maybe Mohg was more of a scholar that lost himself in the records about ancient civilizations?
>>681212275>let me add additional conditions Thats why theyre annoying as shit to program
>>681211354No, only other DLC bosses like Bayle and Midra will be remembered fondly.
>>681212474Shields take a beating, why wouldn't a seasoned warrior carry around a spare especially when operating outside a supply line
>>681212392>>681212454Show me where it says that the GW was NEVER in contact with Metyr or the Fingers. The item description specifically says she's waiting for ANOTHER message.I agree with the idea that they've lost contact with it, but my point is I think it was back when Marika started fucking shit up, not some point long before then.There's no way the Fingers just bungled into the Erdtree setup without any input from the GW.
>>681195201Got a version without the pepe? It ruins the pic.
>>681212560Between Miquella's influence and the formless mother, who knows how much of Mogh was even Mogh. Outer gods don't leave a light touch on the minds of their champions.But no, the nature of the bloody fingers doesn't really suggest a priority on scholarship and just reading the text on war surgeon's set suggests what sort of organization Mogh actually ran.
>>681186131They're both terrible people, demigods are all shit I'd rather have a normal human woman like Nepheli Loux or Roderika as my consort.
>>681212718Anon your whole narrative makes no sense from the start because the Elden Beast is the Elden Ring, and other Orders before Marika had the ring in different arrangements.The Greater Will doesn't give a fuck about the Erdtree, Marika's shaman society just worshipped trees so she imported that into her new religion.
>>681201658This guy was a failure without enough strength to become a lord, I did, so I won. This DLC just confirmed I am the optimal one.
>>681212952For me it's Florisex.
>>681212718You're literally told that Marika didn't break the system, it was broken from the start. All of Ymir's dialog is backed up by the item descriptions. Both Ymir and the item descriptions need to be lying for your shit to work.Also you have to ignore the dragon's completely now with your additional assumptions.
>>681212952Good choices
>>681212350Fingers.
>>681212974>Anon your whole narrative makes no sense from the start because the Elden Beast is the Elden RingBig oofs>kill elden beast>elden ring continues to exist and functionBig oofs
>>681213362>It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring.
>>681213362Marika shattered the Elden Ring and the Elden Beast was cracked. It's not 1-1, but the Golden Stars description does literally say it's the Ring.
Dussy > bussy
>>681213241>YmirThe dude is possibly the most delusional batty NPC in the entire fucking game
I just wanted a new ending as reward for getting all the stuff
>>681213754Yet Metyr is right there underneath the church and all the item descriptions back up his rambling. So are you saying that every item description is a lie?
>>681213794we knew in advance that it wouldn't change anything in the base game or endingswhich in hindsight should have been a warning sign
>>681212974How does other peopl ehaving the ring mean that the GW didn't have some specific plan? Metyr was the first one to land apparently. She clearly had some kind of purpose, which was likely in guiding things to the point of the Age of the Erdtree, the eternal age.>>681213241Why do you need to ignore the dragons? They could very well be part of this plan.The biggest thing that happened over the period from the Elden Ring landing to the Age of the Erdtree was evolution.>Way back during the age of the dragons, beasts started evolving into Beastmen>By the time of the Hornsent, most things had evolved away besides horns>And we got Numen/Human coming to be who became the final step as the Erdtree was grown and then shit set into eternal ageMetyr was likely told to wait for the right moment when enough evolution had occured to play the final setup. Hell, maybe she even was cut off before Marika and just had the plan still in line from before then.Ymir claims everything was broken from the start, but he's also a retard that thought he could become a new, better mother of the fingers and abandoned the moon stuff cause "it's just the closest body". He can be wrong about some of it, you know.
>>681213835I'm saying his interpretations may be off, I'm not denying the existence of Metyr you disingenuous faggotAnd item descriptions are complicated, tell me is Loretta an Albinauric or not?
>>681208852Anon, are you actually autistic? She does not literally and directly ask you to kill him, but she is all but implying that she expects you to. It's subtext. You'd have to be a severe autist not to pick up on it, I say that being quite the 'tist myself, but I was able to get it.You are fucking deluded if you think Patches is there by coincidence. WHY WOULD HE BE DIRECTING YOU TO SEE RYA, A FELLOW MEMBER OF THE SMALL GROUP OF RECUSANTS WHO JUST HAPPENS TO BE NEARBY? Retard.
>>681213692That is entirely irrelevant to the elden beast being the elden ring (which it isn't).
>>681213794>one hundred percenters used to get extra small tidbit endings>shitters who dont want to put in the work complained>now no one gets to enjoy anything extra
>>681213987Yes. She ends up in Haligtree for a reason anon.
>>681198180>>681198324Seeing the actual two fingered Two Fingers was kino
>>681213862>How does other peopl ehaving the ring mean that the GW didn't have some specific planThe Greater Will planned for Bayle to be a huge asshole?It does not make sense for all this runabout just to reach the age of the Erdtree, when the age of the Erdtree isn't even eternal. Not to mention your idea the GW was cutoff by the veil doesn't track with the fact that the Fingers did nothing against Marika when she did that.
>>681214109Not him but I'm not seeing the problem here. Look at this sword, this sword is Radagon.
>>681213862Because the items back up Ymir's entire deluge of backstory exposition.You're literally just making up a bunch of shit because you want to ignore what you're being explicitly told. Everything you say is just you assuming shit.Is the dude nutty? Yeah, because he thinks he can be a better finger mother than the finger mother. It's a pretty common thing in the game where people think they can do things better than the previous person.But since you're so fond of making wild assumptions. If the GW fucked off only when Marika sealed the Shadowlands, why didn't it just contact all the two fingers that weren't sealed off?
>>681213862>Ymir claims everything was broken from the start, but he's also a retard that thought he could become a new, better mother of the fingers and abandoned the moon stuff cause "it's just the closest body". He can be wrong about some of it, you know.But Ymir does actually birth fingers in the end...?
>>681214178Why that's just an absurd rumor Anon, according to the item description of her shield.
>>681214301That, again, has nothing to do with the elden beast being the elden ring (which it isn't).The ring continues to exist after you kill the beast. The ring existed before the beast was a thing.>>681214407Look mang, Gideon wanted me to find the ALBINAURIC WOMAN so I did.
>>681214494>after you kill the beastDo we kill it? Not everything defeated in this game is dead. Especially when it takes place in a funky dimension that may be spiritual in nature and the thing we're fighting may be immortal to a degree.And its not like death means much in this setting (Thanks DLC)
>>681214069Stop pretending to know the lore just because you played a spinoff video game adaptation.
>>681214239>The Greater Will planned for Bayle to be a huge asshole?Actually, been thinking about Bayle and his whole deal.He's the one that birthed all the newer wyvern type dragons, isn't he? Saw a video showing his model closely and it made me consider something:Isn't his face really close to an Omen's? Like he's got the same ton of horns covering it a la Mohg. And when he hits 50% and goes into this second phase, he gets magical wings that just appear on his back, very similar to Crucible incantations.Tinfoil hat theory, but could Bayle have been something intentional of the Crucible? Like a thing born to end the age of the dragons by fucking up Placidussax?
>>681214109the Elden Ring IS the Elden Beast
>>681214359And you'll notice they are finger creepers because he is just 1 guy. It took all the merchants together in an unified merchant cope to make a 3 fingers.The system is broken, the only thing that actually works is people willing ayyys into being so Metyr can try and impress the GW and get it to return, which it never will.
> Ranni caused DeathblightNah, whoever buried Godwyn at the roots of the erdtree did. Should have known better than to try and rebirth an undead demigod that way...
>>681214815>Do we kill it?Yes. >>681214920This is incorrect.
>>681187939
>>681201658Pic related can't even burn his mansion, probably not even his room.
>>681214494All available information says the Elden Beast is the Elden Ring. Prove it isn't.
>>681192373Based
>>681214882>Isn't his face really close to an Omen's?It's too symmetricaland omens don't have a monopoly on crucible features anyway, see misbegotten and hornsent
>>681192635Snek :)
>>681215206>Prove it isn't.Elden ring exists after you kill the elden beast.
>>681215019Nah, Renalla is fine after allWe even get her remembrance
>>681215362>God SlainYou clowns have to ignore the game for your stupid theories.
>>681215459Radagon
>>681214882>>681215256I mean, there's also his heart specifically saying it has "horn-like gravelstones">The biatrial heart of Bayle the Dread. Dotted with horn-like gravel stones and glistening with deep-red liquor.
I think I've got it. The solving of all the lore.HE was The One Great. The GW was his initial vision for the Lands between. Metyr and the Fingers are the ones that made it so, but he stopped guiding them leading to everything being a mess.
>>681215497"no"
>>681215559horns aren't unique to omen its just basic crucible shit
>>681215497Come to think of it the Elden remembrance gives us radasword or marika's hammer huh
>>681215742Yeah, that's what I'm pointing at. Not particularly Omen, but rather Crucible ties.Bayle's from the age of dragons, when Placidussax was Elden Lord and nothing really seemed to talk about the Crucible. Isn't it odd that the guy that took him out was specifically a new evolution of dragon that has horns all over and uses magic wings similar to Aspect of the Crucible stuff?
>>681215953Radasword is understandable but Marika's hammer was presumably just a normal hammer beforehand. I would have expected it to give the sword or Elden Stars, with the hammer being found by the anvil in the arena after the boss kill.
>>681216274I mean it fits if the thing being slain here is Marika/RadagonAnd regarding Elden Stars which as you noted specifically doesn't come from the remembrance>It is said that long ago,>the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between,>which would later become the Elden Ring.
>>681216179Anon the ancient dragons also have horns all over.
>>681216490Yeah I'm just saying what felt right at the time. I hadn't found Elden Starts in Deeproot yet, 1 weapon and 1 spell seemed like the obvious rewards from the remembrance.
>>681215256>and omens [...] and hornsentLiterally the same thing, just different names depending on the culture.Both omen and hornsent warriors even wield curved greatswords similar in structure with identical stat requirements. There's also a hornsent bairn just like the omen bairns.
>>681216179Oh I seeIs the crucible a thing that has will? I thought it was just the nature of mutations appearing as a force of nature, sort of like Godwyn being a thing that is not driven by will but mindlessly replicates and corruptsDespite birthing all these drakes, none of them share his unique properties and they all look like GreyollHe's certainly an odd drake though
>Mogs every fromsoft female.
IS Marika even a Numen? Her hammer says it was made in the home of the Numen, outside the Lands Between, but the tower message in the Shadow Lands say that it's the very center of the Lands Between.
>>681216884The hornsent npc's hat or head or whatever it is looked like the inside of Messmer's eye socket during the boss cutscene.
>>681217064ENTER
>>681186131>ranni murders her brotherIncorrect, most evidence points to her knowing about the assassination but not doing it, with evidence lying with either Miquella or Marika herself ordering the hit>unleashes the plague of deathblightIncorrect, see above>sheds her body…Correct>… to gain more powerIncorrect, she shed her body to escape the glownigger control of the Fingers, as far as power goes she gave most of it up when she lost her body.
>>681217162She literally says "I did it all" when you bring up the night of the black knives.
>>681216884We don't even know what omens truly are and the GO believes it to be a curse as it strikes humans and demigods and turns them into horrible flabby masses of horns and tails.Yes of course they're related to hornsent but the DLC only cements that they are indeed the result of a curse as the hornsent certainly have cause to curse Marika and her lineage. But while hornsent are something fairly natural..as natural as a eugenics driven society could be, omen are something that strike peoples who are if anything, aggressively practicing anti-crucible eugenics.
>>681217283rannifags get all their lore from youtube
>>681217064At being shit maybe
>>681217064He'll go down in history as being the worst bossfight in Fromsoft history
>>681217118DS2 had more love put into it from a B team than the DLC to From's best seller game of all times
>>681186131Miquelsterg: you WILL suck this boycock tarnished!Me
>>681217959But B-team made Elden Ring's DLC
>>681186131It means becoming the Lord of Frenzied Flame is the morally correct choice.
>>681217064god s(he) is so fucking hot
>>681217118>not including the crow girl
>>681219321directed by hackazaki
>>681219740Nope it was all TanimuraThis is his work
>>681219440enjoy your commie hivemind, because there's nothing left of (you)
>>681186131FGO lookin ass
>>681186131Ranni didn't unleash that plague, whoever had the brilliant idea of burying Godwyn in the Erdtree's roots did.
>>681219915Isn't Frenzied Flame just Surtr?
>>681220148Every citizen (of good standing) of the GO gets an erdtree root burial you dipshit
>>681220229>SurtrThey couldn't be more different honestly. It leans heavily into Hebrew religion, not to mention how the Flame of Frenzy operates, with our knowledge through both Ymir, Hyetta and Midra, the frenized flame eliminates personality, you become a host for it. The end goal is to extinguish all life, even spirits shall vanish in the heat of the frenzied flame. but you fail at this as Melina is still alive, for example. It just shows that the frenzied flame is a continous concept in action, a cycle in of itself that doesn't end.
>>681186131how do i get to this part of the map?>ehehe to get there you MUST do stuff for me and marry me >:3333i hope miyazaki doesn't ever lock content behind forced serving and marriage ever again.
>>681220684It's based, we must all kneel for the doll.
Lorelet here, whose great rune breaks when we approach Shadow Keep and why? I found Miquella's rune and it seems to work perfectly fine, doesn't even need a divine tower to activate.
>>681220843you are not lorelet, you are simply unable to read, he discards it, doesn't break it.
>>681220843It's Miquellas rune that breaks and no it doesn't work perfectyl fine.
>>681220270Well maybe they should have done something different when they saw that Godwyn's corpse was fucking doing wierd shit.
>>681220938>>681220928The duality of man
I hope the new DLC focuses on Godwyn
>>681220950They put all the other dead demigods in walking mausoleums that moved around too much for deathroot to take hold?
>>681221029He discards his rune and it shatters, hence breaking.
>>681221147There is no new DLC after this
>>681221206Damn
>>681220229>Surtrqrd? Didn't study that slop in school
>>681221752Look it up yourself, retard. Must've been a shit school.
>>681221752you sound like the kind of guy to not study anything, even the shit you're interested in
