>MixedWhat went wrong?
No idea, it did everything right in order to appease to casuals>nerfed movement>killed rage drives and made rage arts longer>heat is a free pressure tool you get once per round and some heat smashes are unseeable >chip damage so matches don't last as much as they did in 7 >armored moves are stronger than everNormalfags are supposed to love it
here's what they did wrong: >nerfed movement>killed rage drives and made rage arts longer>heat is a free pressure tool you get once per round and some heat smashes are unseeable>chip damage so matches don't last as much as they did in 7>armored moves are stronger than ever
>>682894812they copied sf6 scummy business practices but they forgot to copy the paid reviews part.
They came for the customizationfags.
Harada lied, people cried
>>682894812A hit is a hit this is not a hit.
fighting games are dead
>>682895806>0.4 hours on record
>>682895926What did he lie about?
>>682897506he lies all the time and when he gets caught he plays the down to earth friendo gimmick. redditors eat it up.
>>682897968Give examples.
>>682898312let's start with all the cash-shop bullshit
>>682897506He did promise that legacy characters would be free DLC in T7 but that was several years ago.
>>682895135Not to mention nerfing King's endless grab to just 7
>>682898605Isn't that just bandai namco being bandai namco?
Tekken is no longer a 3d fighting game.
>>682899919What is it then?
>>682899919It never truly was.
>>682895806only retards care about customizationonly thing that matters is the default visualsyou are not a fighting game player, but a sims faggot
>>682896521i have three steam accounts and if a game does something that annoys me enough i'll buy it on the other two just to leave a bad review and refund
>>682900915
>>682894812They added heat.
customization is a joke, and it’s funny because that’s a “core” part of the arcade quest, yet pretty much all the customization looks like shit
>>682895135Normalfag here. Im not paying for constant live service shit
>>682898676He also said there would be only one season pass for 7. 8 they just didn't tell anyone about the battlepass shit until post launch
>>682900915and bigger retards expect normies to care about fighting games
>>682902239but t7 had negan.
>Try to appeal to newfags and street fighter players>kills tekkenWow, who could have seen this coming. I will piss on harada's grave.
one of the biggest people go to for tekken, aris, constantly shits on it, and has for years. I do not understand why the creators still kiss his feet and invite him to premiers and special events.
>>682894812The tekken team might actually be one of the most incompetent dev teams in the industry today >purchased cosmetics can be lost if your save data gets corrupted>adds a battle pass consisting which is 90% comprised of reused assets from Tekken 7, can't even manage to consistently support it and has over a months waiting before the next battle pass of reused Tekken 7 assets>Online infrastructure is still really bad and prone to abuse >No functioning in-game report function, have to literally tweet to the developers if you encounter a problem These are all things that people have gotten right for years and they still manage to fuck it up
>>682894812didnt put my nigga Lei in it
>>682903647Why did Asuka get a blepharoplasty? Does she hate her japanese heritage that much?
>>682900451It's 2.3d
>next characters are fuckyourmom and MardukEat shit Harada.
>>682900915>>682902239Guess which demographic are the ones who make these games sell.Protip: Not the tryhard retards playing online 24/7.
>>682895806customizationfaggots are hilarious>WAAAAAHHHH I HAVE TO USE MOMMY'S CREDIT CARD TO PWAY BARBIE DRESSUP!!!! :''''(meanwhile i just recolor the defaults lol
>>682903863Being an already pretty girl and getting a blepharoplasty is practically Korean/Japanese heritage at this point.
>>682898312>I will never charge money for legacy characters
>>682904154I think this might genuinely be the worst season pass I've seen for a fighting gameEveryone I know who saw the datamine isn't happy about it
Can we really trust Steamies (Redditors) to write a fair review?
>>682895135>Normalfags are supposed to love itThis is so confusing to me. Elden Ring is huge with normies precisely BECAUSE it refused to dumb things down for a wider audience. Anybody willing to spend $40 on a fighting game wants it to be difficult and badass and complex because that is what fighting games are. Stop asking normies why they don't enjoy fighting games. They're not giving you the real answer. They might say "Uhh inputs are hard" but that's not the real answer. >b-but they do make hardcore games! they just don't sell! look at platinum!This is a marketing problem. If ER and Baldur's Gate 3 can do it without dumbing anything down, so can you. Please stop asking casuals why they are not buying these games. They're not giving you the correct answers
>>682904351No but in this case it does show the general feeling towards 8 since people assumed they were going to fix the problems with 7 not create new ones and deliver a worse product.
>>682904354are you retarded? ER is THE dumbed down souls with baked in summons and le open world.
tekken 8 is my first tekken and i love it, got to fujin on 2 characters and raijin on one. my first fighting game ever (did auto combos on dbfz with some friends in the far past thats it) put like 600 hours in so farnegative reviews are for the jewish as fuck in game store
>>682904514It's literally not dumbed down in any way. Ashes add more complexity to the gameplay, and so does open world.
>>682904707how does mimic tear add complexity
>>682904514>baked in summonswhat does that even mean.
>>682904694Julia fucking when... de gowasu.
>>682900915that's no excuse for bending over backwards and allowing them to buttfuck their playerbase for money you retard. arguments like yours are how these practices are allowed to continue unchallenged. kys
>>682904925ashes
>>682904901Because you have more ways to play the game. Complexity = mechanical depth.
>>682904694My negative review glossed over the store shit and got straight to my problem with the game. Heat removed character identity. On top of that, they went through every character with a fine toothed comb to make sure they ironed out every little quirk that make the characters unique. I can see liking it if it's your first tekken, and I kind of envy you, you don't know what you are missing. I've played every Tekken game. 8 is trash where winning feels like you didn't deserve it, and losing feels like they didn't deserve it.
>>682905143Not him but I'm also a newfag Any examples of stuff they removed?
>>682905117uhuh, and how are they worse than dark souls' summons that make every boss a complete joke? at least with ashes you first have to find them as well as level them up.
>>682905196they masked off as jews and cut all the soul out for the wide audience is my guess. I haven't played tekken since the ps1
>>682894812just scamco things
>>682905142just because you can beat the game with 500 different weapon doesnt mean it isnt dumbed down. its still a game made to please a wider audience, and if you disagree you dont even need to reply back because I'm not discussing something objectively true
>>682905335There's no universe in which Elden Ring is dumbed down. No mechanics have been simplified, nothing has been made easier, the player chooses exactly how he wants to play. In DS1 you could go pyro and breeze through the game. Does that make it casual?Anyway Im not gonna fill this thread up with ER crap
>>682894812Accessibility gone wrong. They dumbed down an already dumbed down game series past the breaking point. It's not even fun to watch because even the best players playing against each other look like an average online mashfest match.
Tekken 8 is the best Tekken.
>>682895135>>682895383but why the exact copy pasta?
>>682905143genuinely skill issue if you cant adapt to heat>>682905196just a bitter boomer upset at the resources for the game being more available and not able to knowledge check scrubs with strings anymore
>Do simple move>WHOOOAAHHH MANDATORY HEAT MODE ACTIVATEDWhat the fuck were they thinking besides twitch streaming bait for zoomers watching the game.
>>682905196basically, there was no such thing as a "guaranteed plus frames" and no "It's my turn" moment you get after Heat-Engager or Heat-Dash.Side steps for 3D Fighters exists to evade those 2D Fightrer's "cornered into a wall with a mid/low/oki mixups" situation.This game forces you to play "2D" and that's why it's shit and feels exactly like playing a kusoge.
>>682904354>"refused to dumb things down"Ignoring the fact that accessibility is quite literally a stated goal of ER:>The horse makes EVERY encounter in the over-world completely consensual>he also lets you run straight to any item on the map with zero knowledge on enemy movesets or level design>Buffed summons, making them no longer increase boss health and damage, while also making them more accessible>removed solo invasions>carried over bleed and poison from past entries, but made it considerably stronger with no counter measure>carried over the ash of war system from DS3 but made all of them considerably stronger with zero counter measure>carried over the posture system from Sekiro and DS3, but made it trivially easy to stagger every enemy in the game, with no counter measure>completely removed the concept of ashes of war being bound to singular weapons, letting you make broken combinations with ease, again, with no counter measure>made the vast majority of the content in the game (non-legacy dungeons) considerably easier than any souls dungeons in the past>has an almost completely redundant compass because they didn't trust you to remember where you dropped your souls>quite literally points you in the right direction if you cant follow the story
>>682906086You said you weren't going to reply, tranny. Guess that was a lie :)
>>682906121What?
>>682905196It's not that they removed moves, it's that they removed options and force you to play how they want you to. The universal mechanics (heat in 8 and armor moves in 7) they added to make it "easier" for noobs. You are playing the heat game, not your character. As a character example, take Jin, your quintessential tryhard character, and my favorite since 3, through buff and nerf. While he always had some good moves that stand out from the rest, a deep knowledge of his movelist lets him really shine. In 8 they made him absolute easy mode. Things that used to take practice to pull off, he just does automatically. Auto electrics? You must be kidding me. What is even the point? Learning to do the stance cancelling and stuff was the fun part. Why? Why?Another example is Feng, always strong, crazy pokes, good mixup, poor combo ability. Now on top of everything else he has, now here come powerful and absolutely braindead combos requiring zer0 execution.
>>682906121and I didnt. thats another person
>>682905653>Just adapt to this shitty mechanic that ruins the gameNope.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIm9HTpMV2E
>While he always had some good moves that stand out from the rest, a deep knowledge of his movelist lets him really shine.
As a newfag I don't see why people say Tekken 8 killed movement when I just did the hardest read by sidestepping Asuka's fully charged RA and launching her. The next round she tried to partial charge it but I interrupted it with my own RA.But I guess I'm just a lowly hardstuck Fujin Jin main so my opinion isn't worth shit.
>>682906184I'm confused why they would do that since I only bought Tekken 8 because I heard legends of its crazy movement and insane endless amount of matchups you have to learn etc.Obviously its a fun game, I'm enjoying it but i don't get what direction they're trying to go in. If tekken is not the crazy movement and insane knowledge check game then what is it supposed to be?
>>682906537You're right of course, 7 is the downturn. For me, it's catching back rolls with b2,1.
>>682906729Games can't have a niche any more, not that Tekken wasn't mainstream, but it still wasn't big enough I suppose. If it doesn't sell more than THE FIGHTING GAME (street fighter) it's a failure in the eyes of business men. Never mind that they are totally different games with different strengths. Tekken is a 2D skinwalker game now. The core fanbase and those who would be fans of actual Tekken just wasn't enough I suppose.My theory, but your guess is a good as mine.
>>682906729In certain ways, I think they have made it worse for new players than it ever was. Lower skill ceiling = less skill expression at every level. I got into Tekken for mostly the same reasons you did, I was excited to dive into the deep end and learn. Which I did, for years. 8 gives me no motivation to learn or get better. The changes made it much less interesting. I dumped this game and just cope with the old ones.
I far prefer watching the wiggling and waggling between two top tiers from T7 than the absolute knife fight you watch in 8 where even pros like Arslan and Knee follow the Heat into jab jab jab jab down forward 1 into jab flowchart or combo into heat into heat into more jugglan into finisher
>>682908004Everyone who isn't retarded agrees with you. I think the "movement is boring to watch" people were actual shills.
>>682895685Thanks Looneytroon!
>>682896521>buy game in an account>family share it to another account and play for more than 2 hours>refund it if it's shit, no questions askedas shrimple as that, you still have to refund within 1 or 2 weeks but that's plenty time to try a game
>>682894812Boomers hate shops and battle passesThey're retarded
>>682905142Complexity != Mechanical depth. It's necessary for depth but doesn't create depth by itself.
>>682895135>>682895383The duality of FGNaggers.
strive has half the players tekken does, I thought tekken was dying
>>682907683I'm a noob. Can't deny I've had fun with the game but it feels fun in the same way a 2D fighter isVery streamlined & straightforward and simple but if I want that kind of thing why wouldn't I play sf6 insteadEsp because sf has huge character variety but t8 is all aggression and it wants everyone to play the same
>>682895685Oh yeah man, Namco a famously pro consumer company until mean old Capcom turned them bad.
>>682895135>made rage arts longerI hate this so fucking much why do I have to watch a 3 hour long full feature film for trying to press a button ON MY TURN? At least invincible moves in 2D games are fast.
>>682894812Why are you being so harsh at your heritage?
>>682904354>>682905231>>682904707>>682905142>>682905439It's really fucking grim coming to a random FG thread of all places, and spotting ER fanboys spew such tripe. Imagine, for even a second, claiming that fucking spirit ashes add to the complexity of the gameplay in any way, or excusing that trash band aid of a mechanic because you "have to level up the summons." I continue to be amazed by the sheer retardation and utter delusion.
>>682910796Giving players more options is always a good thing, especially in single player gamesLet people play the game however they want, it's really that simple
>>682906697people complaining about heat are hardstuck genbu retards so I wouldn't worry too much about it
>>682909557Half? It has 3-4times less depending on time of day
>>682895135That's stupid, because in a game like Tekken making the harder things easier to do just makes intermediate to higher skilled players infinitely more threatening especially to casuals.
>>682908268>>682910397>mad capcultists literally unable to stop themselves from defending their overlordskek
Tekken in general is kinda shit, 8 is just boring and season 1 characters are so shit i don't think i will play it any time soon
>>682900915Get over yourself nigger.I want BOTH things.
>>682894812I like the game but the monetization completely killed my interest in it, don’t feel like putting hours upon hours of work into a grimy greedy product. The additional content also isn’t that interesting so far. Maybe I’ll come back if there’s a new feature or character I like.
>>682910956That's not synonymous with complexity, it's just an empty platitude to justify shit which was haphazardly throw in for the sake of it. The implementation of spirit ashes in ER is marred with tremendously high reward for such a measly low risk, with 90% of spirits being useless filler. Same goes for the open world. It doesn't add complexity, in fact, it actively dilutes encounters. Not only there are way too many boss encounters copy-pasted across the huge world, fighting certain monsters (or simply escaping them) on horse back with Torrent trivializes them.That's not getting into how invasions have become less and less of a factor (being invaded solo isn't even a thing anymore, unless you go out of your way to lure in invaders with an item), the abundance of checkpoints compared to earlier Souls games, no mechanic like World Tendency or Hollowing that makes the game progressively harder each time you die, how easy it is to over-level and clear out "legacy" dungeons with ease, etc. etc.
>>682894812Harada and Murray are faggots.Game is reduced to unga bunga heat spam and heat is probably the most braindead way to implement aggressive mechanics in a game.Most defensive characters can't play defensive anymore due to how strong offense is, and thus have been given rushdown tools so now everyone is a pseudo rushdown character.7 has its problems but at the very least preserved character identity and different playstyles. 8 just made everyone some flavor of rushdown.
>>682913085>That's not synonymous with complexityLiterally is. It's more variables that alter how the game plays out, which is by definition more complexity.>Same goes for the open world. It doesn't add complexityAgain, it literally does. This game has both old style souls levels AND open world which is more complexity by definition.> the abundance of checkpoints compared to earlier Souls gamesYou are CHOOSING to use the stake of marika retard. The game offers you a choiceI think you honestly have to have a really low IQ not to understand how this works. Did you ever study math in school? You know how adding more variables to functions increases the complexity right?
Only sure thing is pandering to blacks, experts in good ass that they are, and packistanis, experts in being neets without the associated societal guilt induced in Japan and second best Korea, was the right thing.
>>682913746What the FUCK are you even saying here?
>>682894812imagine being more jewish than SF who is selling 20 dollar avatar skins
>>682895135>not a weeb fighter>post 2020massive mistake
>>682914589Tekken is anime as fuck.In fact, as of SF6, it is even weeber than Street Fighter.
>>682913347What is up with disingenuous ER fanboys and their insane attempts at bending fucking reality to suit their arbitrary definitions? Look, retard, I have watched newcomers to Souls games destroy Malenia in a handful of tries thanks to RoB + Mimic Tear. That is NOT complexity, that is just casually using one of the many crutches available that make the entire experience objectively easier. The same way that you would select between Very Easy all the way up to Extreme difficulty modes in a menu, or using a skip feature, that is not what complexity entails in the mind of any sane rational human being.>stake of marika Not even that. To name but just one very small example of what I'm talking about, Swamp of Aeonia alone has about 4 sites of Grace in close proximity to each other. Not mention the fact that you can easily traverse that whole area with Torrent and not get Scarlet Rot or can escape Commander O'Neil's boss encounter like just any regular enemy.But sure, go ahead and say that using Torrent is just an "option" and that it somehow makes the game more complex. Christ, what an idiot.
>>682914347It's illegal in my country to be less obtuse.
>>682914347I think he means that the game panders to hypebeast blacks and nolife paki/korean grinders
>>682915728>panders to hypebeast blackspfffft I wishIf that was the case then the female characters would have an actual ass.Reina has a fucking NEGATIVE ass.
>>682916413haram
Why do people like SF6 so much when it has the same problems as Tekken 8?
>>682917341Capcom has some amazing brainwashing skills.Also, they are bribing people to play their shit game with the promise of those million dollar prizes.
I'm looking for a fighting game to playis there anything to do in tekken outside the 2h long story and online ranked 1v1?
>>682917341You can listen this bumbling fucking moron >>682917492, or consider a more nuanced perspective:Unlike Heat in Tekken 8, there is very clearly the possibility of countering tactics like Drive Rush if they're abused mindlessly by the other player. I am low MR and often check DR attempts with EX DP, for example. There's also the fact that these system mechanics are tied to a resource that leaves you in an extremely vulnerable position if depleted. In T8, not only there is not as much counter play against Heat, depleting the Heat bar just leaves you with a character's default moveset, meaning, you hardly lose anything from just throwing it out. Rage is also arguably very cheap, considering it's a one-button special move that does a ton of damage.In short, Bamco needs to look for a way to integrate their universal mechanics better into a whole so that you feel like you're losing a valuable resource once you utilize it.
>>682917341They're adding characters people like, for one. It's been weeks since Lidia has been mentioned, and that's a character no one gives a shit about.
>>682904694negative reviews are either from casuals getting mad at the jewish game store or vets that are mad at how shit it is at being a tekken game. >>682917592no. most fighting games don't have much outside of playing the main mode against people online or offline. >>682917341i'm honestly not sure. both are garbage fucking fighting games with super scrub friendly systems (drive, heat) but SF6 gets it's dick sucked. tbf Tekken 8 also gets it's dick sucked by the """FGC""". at this point i think nu FG players are just incapable of realising that a fighting game is bad. the novelty of playing a fighting game is still bright with them. >>682911805no ones crying about making the harder things easier. people are complaining that the thing that made tekken tekken (the defensive movement focused neutral with brutal okizeme game ) has been completely neutured in favor of mashing for plus frames and enforcing mix. it leads to a very inconsistent game. T7 also had this problem due to nerfed movement. in T3 or Tag1 beating a scrub was no problem. super easy as they could not play neutral. in T7,T8 it was alot harder as the nerfed movement meant that in most cases i just had to take their pressure or know the EXACT solution to everything they were doing. in nu tekken your fundamentals don't matter until you have labbed every string and set up in the game. which was why everyone under TGP was a noob
>>682903647>The tekken team might actually be one of the most incompetent dev teams in the industry todayEh, all those problems sound like the usual Japanese dev incompetence. Jappas just can't into online, they are unfortunately still stuck in the 80s.
>>682917883unironically this might be the answer. people only care about reveals and updates to add HYPE tm. we seen the same thing in SF5 and T7 when T7 added geese and SF5 had... abagail. no one gave a shit. >>682917927tekken 8 online gets mogged by free community projects of T3 and Street fighter 2 online
>>682917341Street Fighter doesn't recycle assets from the PS3 era and recharge the customer. Tekken is such a low effort reskin since 5. Not sure how the player base just eats shit all the time
>>682917843OK retard.
do things like game balance and mechanics attract new/casual/normie players?or is that something that only dedicated players care about?
>>682917341>t-tekken is shit B-B-B-BUT STREET FIGHTERMassive cope, SF6 is the best fighting game since SF4, tekkucks keep losing
>>682918559LMAO"""Street Fighter""" 6 is barely a Street Fighter game and it is certainly NOWHERE near being the best fighting game by any meaningful metric, shut the fuck up.
>>682917975>tekken 8 online gets mogged by free community projects of T3 and Street fighter 2 onlineYeah because those free fan projects are made by westerners. There isn't a single Japanese-made game that has good online capabilities, even when a Japanese release has good online, the online bits have been made in the west, like ArcSys rollback netcode for example.
>>682896034never been more alive
>>682894812They shot themselves in the foot with the monetization, they launched the ultimate edition with a season pass and then due to pure greed they decided to drop a fucking microtransaction store and a battle pass (with reused assets from T7). I held off buying it because after 1k+ hours of T7 I wasn't really convinced with the new heat mechanics and general gameplay flow and I'm glad I did, because the game turned out to be shit in the end.
>>682901053>I bought three of the things I hate just to shit on themFaggots like this then go "vote with your wallet, people" and wonder how AAA duds keep printing money.
>>682918623i know. it's fucking embarrassing for the japs. honestly if the same fighting games was made by western devs we could of got so much more. every game in the 360 era and afterwards would have rollback, kof13, SF4, SFxT, MVC3, VF5FS, they would all have PC ports and rollback.but we trusting the fucking japs
>>682899660Put the goal posts back, faggot. He lied about it, I don't give a shit who did it or why. Just don't say anything unless you are certain of it.
>>6829185596 much like 3 is designed for people who do not like street fighter. it's a garbage game >b-b-but tekken shillsTekken 8 is arguably worse sure. but fuck me anon fightcade exists. why would i pay full price for either of the two worst fighting games to ever exist when i can play something good. and when T3 gets added i'll say the exact same thing to tekken cucks
>>682894812Bandai Namco strikes again. There's a reason why they're called Scamco. The game being partially casualised doesn't help.
>>682918857>3 is designed for people who do not like street fighter.How so?
>>682894812Just wait for Lidia
Tekken 8 is like windows 8 of tekken. We had the best one already with 5dr and everything after is just more bloated shit.
>>682918857What even is "Street Fighter" in your view?
>>682918940parries. it basically breaks the core fundamental game state of street fighter. the core of street fighter is the footsies game, and the fireball game. 2, alpha, 4. they all had this in common. parries esentially break this by making fireballs and the fireball game bad. they also change how the risk reward works in street fighter. the way it works traditionally is that jumping is the ultimate gamble. if you jump over a poke or a fireball i get hit and possibly dead. or at the VERY least you get pressure. if i do nothing, you were wrong and get hit by my anti air. in 3rd strike air parry adds a get out of jail free to this. if you jump at a bad time. you can air parry and there is another layer of mix that the defender has to deal with because.... the attacker tried to brute force their way in instead of neutral. look at any A rank 3s player on fightcade. and play them by playing very traditional street fighter. you will lose. but not because of their superior spacing or neutral. but because they are just gonna jump at you and OS parry until they get in. don't get me wrong. 3s is fun if you can roll with the fact it's not a street fighter game. and play it for what it is. but that doesn't change the fact it doesn't play like street fighter. and the people who liked it hated street fighter before then for the most part. obviously there is some exceptions but especially in NA you don't see legacy legends like john choi entering 3rd strike tournaments https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxZ2LGfAqi2bq3Z5zR0nzp7AZcv5XKFI5t
>>682905196Here's your answer because the other anons don't really get it. A character being "easy mode" compared to its previous gameplay is egregious, but not as bad as what they did to the whole game. You can say they "removed" any playstyle that doesn't revolve around pressure. Almost every character now has a string that leads into stance mix up. Devil Jin used to be a character that poked a little bit and had great launch punishes. You could maybe still try to play him like that but you're at a huge disadvantage if you don't abuse his Crow stance mix ups. Same with Jack, even Yoshimitsu inb4 redditfags claim yoshi was only le party characterThe way pressure is added is different. Take characters like Ganny and Hei in t7, their pressure was + moves like df1, jab, or ganny's sweep. Did you know that there's no quick low that's +oh in this game? It's because pressure is not supposed to be guaranteed, it's always a cointoss from stance.All the game is centered around this, non-stop button pressing and le epic moments. Chip damage and heat management obvious endorsements of that.
>>682919132a simple 2d fighter with a CORE emphasis on the fireball game and the poking game. ofc characters can exist outside of that and even do well. but the core game revolves around those two concepts. parries break this. drive impact somewhat breaks this (the same could be argued for focus but the range difference changes it's application. focus isn't really used as an anti poke as much because of it's weaker range and only being able to absorb one hit. so either i do a poke that i can throw out knowing focus won't hit me or if it will i can use a poke that can be cancelled into something like a fireball) drive rush doesn't break this.. but drive rush also fucking sucks. a mechanic can not break these core principals but still suck to deal with like ultra in SF4 or red focus. parries however is the main offender. granted to 6's credit it hasn't added air parries which is great but having ground parries means that alot of the games design is based around that. take honda vs sim for example. to deal with headbutt sim MUST perfect parry, all his anti airs lose. not even to mention what parry has done to said fireball game of street fighter
>>682919259anyone that thinks yoshi is a party character never played tag 1 or T3. he was a turtling wall due to poison mist, flash and a godlike DF2. https://youtu.be/siLL4Al2skc?t=158
>>682906697Tales from the Green RanksI can't tell if you're trolling but evading a 120f move isn't really a hard read anon. Backdashing and launching an electric would have been, but the backdashes have been greatly nerfed because we all want AGGRESION
>>682906697when people talk about it killing movement. they are talking about backdashing. side stepping was the hard read option. if you labbed every fucking string and set up in existance. this is the one you would go for if applicable. backdashing was the safe option. KBD was essentialy the crouch tech of tekken. it beat mindless aggression by creating space faster than they could close it with strings and at most you would take a small low as a result and reset back to neutral. as a result tekken was a game where alot of interactions lead back to neutral rather than mix upon mix upon pressure upon pressure and the constant turn shifting we see now in nu tekken. noobs will claim this cannot be beaten but it could. as core weakness of KBD was that it lost to more committal offence. deep dash low or throw namely. but in turn this lost to buttons. it had a triangle system. KBD beat buttons, power lows and throws beat KBD, buttons beats power lows and throws. the problem was because of it's heavy emphasis on neutral. spectators viewed tekken as boring at a high level. one of those spectators being harada. he wanted more action. so he removed this and now the only thing that beats buttons is the specific option for that perticular button. meaning that in the modern day. tekken is a game where until you have labbed EVERYTHING. you aren't really playing the game. and we can see this. in T7 anyone under TGP wasn't just bad. but straight up not playing the game.
>>682919259>Did you know that there's no quick low that's +oh in this gameoh my god the sheer irony of you posting jack while saying this
>>682920382my bad, Jack is the only exception.There's no irony though, Jack was all about long range poking and baiting for df2, now that part of his identity is diminished with his gigas stance mixups
>>682894812No Christie, no buy.
>>682900915Kill yourself. Ultimate should always include ALL content
>>682921448This is why I bought tekken 7 and will wait for the ultimate edition of 8 before purchasing it for 15 dollars.
My biggest issue with the game is why the fuck is every match Bo3? I can understand ranked but why casual and your heckin epic and unique avatar arcade?
>>682920934this unironicallymy first crush
>>682920934Putting Eddy instead of Christie in the game was a fucking insult
>>682910796Did you miss the part about Souls already having summons? What's next, claiming that Elden Ring casualized things by having shields?
>>682922450heyat least its the day one dlcthey let us know how its gotta be from the get gosince they had the courtesy, we can just not buy eddy's dlc
>>682914787>Look, retard, I have watched newcomers to Souls games destroy Malenia in a handful of triesMeanwhile Souls let you do that with every boss on the first try. Malenia is objectively harder than any Souls boss, and everyone I've seen who played the game was stuck on her for hours WITH summons. Same with both Radahns (mostly dlc Radahn obviously).>Not mention the fact that you can easily traverse that whole area with Torrent and not get Scarlet Rot or can escape Commander O'Neil's boss encounter like just any regular enemy.How is this an issue? You're saying they should have forced you to eat the scarlet rot swamp even though people have universally hated poison swamps in these games? That's a good design. And "escaping a boss" lmao, I suppose you didn't know you could also do that in souls games by using a homeward bone or simply going back to the title screen?
>>682895135>all that shitWhat about a long and fun story campaign full of gameplay? What about funny or lore rich arcade story modes for every single character with lovingly made cgi cutscenes?
>>682923312That already existed and none of you fags cared.
>>682905304Hey a sphere is the most powerful customization tool for peak cumslut coomery in NGSBut in tekken it's lol
Reading these threads fills me with joy over my decision to drop the genre with Tekken 7 season 1.
>>682895135>>682895383>nerfed movementif anything they made side-stepping too powerful
>>682917883Someone must be really proud of that OC. To me I won't even look at this game without Josie and Mommy Raven. Also Claudio
>>682919142>alphastopped readingneck yourself retard
>>682918757Did you miss the part about refunding?
>>682918118>doesn't recycle assets from the PS3 eraSuch as?
>>682894812I thought this might've been a skill issue and mad cause bad, but looking at SF6 page it has very positive review rating, so that can't be it.
>>682894812DLCs
>>682894812shit matchmaking and surprise MTX bullshitery
>>682918819If Bamco made the decision then getting angry at Harada is retarded and shows you're arguing in bad faith, don't shoot the messenger and all that.
>>682922860Spirit ashes don't work like summons do, they don't increase the boss's health, and don't require you to be in human/body/embered state. ER has NPC/player summons ON TOP of having extremely powerful spirit ashes.>>682923237Your post is utterly baffling, like you literally forgot what the crux of your argument earlier was. >How is this an issue? It's an issue insofar as you claim that ER didn't dumb things down by making environmental hazards a complete non-factor. People didn't like that? Oh, I see... then let's accommodate their whining by giving them a tool to completely bypass that obstacle. This, in your mind, is what you call "complexity."They also removed weapon durability. Because no one cared about that. What's next? They should also eliminate weapons bouncing off of walls because that has to little to no impact on the overall gameplay. And honestly? Losing Souls/Runes on death should be another thing on the chopping block, because running back to that shit is just tedious, and pointless too, because you can just farm it eventually.You can rationalize all you want about why your currently preferred game is the bestest of them all, anon. I'm just here to tell you your logic isn't sound at all.>And "escaping a boss" lmao, I suppose you didn't know you could also do that in souls games by using a homeward bone or simply going back to the title screen?I sure did. Now they've added Torrent, an extra option to escape bosses in the overworld. Incredible, so much complexity!
Rank inflation. Everyones at Fujin and its just a fuckfest of actual Blue rank players and Tekken gods on their subs.Your blue rank winrate will be <50% because of TGP on their subs owning you
>>682894812>story truly ended with T4>past DR, the devs keep doubling down on juggles, it should be no more than 2-3 hits>customization is ass, peaked at T6>haven't had a good original character since Dragonuv, and even then they turned him into a joke character>turning serious characters into joke characters all the time (Paul, Marduk, Drag).>quality in both graphics and music has been taking a dive since T7>game modes that are highly requested (Tekken Force) and yet some game modes that have been a stable in the series are questionably absent (Team Battle been a thing since T2 I believe)>turning the series into animeTekken lost the serious tone it had going for, this is what the intro' used to look like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OViNqWFF6whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvtUxEFQaUAncient Ogre holding up a severed fucking head (used to be believed it was Jun)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT35HDqhHqEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szKwGKPSldQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqms1K6Gm6sTekken just isn't the same, the story peaked at T4.
No one thing but it's fuckup after fuckup that soured a lot players on the game.>surprise MTX with ingame money revealed shortly after launch>dragging their feet with balance updates>pluggers>one-and-doners>atrocious, unexplained rank system that artificially boosts player ranks until it just stops>questionable and clear favoritism in balance decisions (Jin and King are both popular with casuals and are both top tier and escape nerfs)>performance issues>network issues>a completely braindamaged season 1 character dlc lineup featuring 2 extremely disliked characters>going after mods and modders' social mediaAll while having terrible PR skills even for the gaming industry standards, Murray is basically a manifestation of anti-PR, all he does is be rude, condescending, arrogant and always projects an aura of hating Tekken players, he should never touch social media.Harada is hardly better, he rambles on about shit and he sometimes comes off as demented at times, both Murray and Harada post on twitter way too much.
>>682924802If anything tekken has never been more serious or else they would have given us Dr. B, Gon and Roger Jr.
you know there are all these problems with the game but the real reason why I stopped playing is rankedin 7 you would find that one guy that you never saw before and deathmatch him for an hour straight. that was something unique to tekken and it was amazingim t8 not only they removed that, the game is also plagued with one and doners. that shit completely sours the experienceand as if that wasnt enough, the game is infested with pluggers now. I can remember getting plugged in t7 like twice in the 3 years I played. in t8 you play 10 matches and 5 of them are one and dones and 2 are pluggers. no reason to play
I like tekken 7 and refuse to touch 8.What virtua fighter game would u guys recommend for playing online with my friends?
>>682895685It got roughly the same review scores from critics as SF6 did
>>6829253143tb is on fightcade iirc
>>682923946i meant to say alpha 2 specifically. alpha 3 is weird af. >>682925314assuming your friends will actually play it because VF is dead in the west. VF4FT is on fightcade, it's the more popular one ( i say popular but i just mean there is 10 people on instead of 2), vf3tb is also on fightcade but i personally found it weird due to shit like side step being on a button.
>>682925350sf6 got great reviews despite having the same + worse business practices than the ones tekken added that pissed everyone off.
>>682910956>Giving players more options is always a good thingnot true at all, that's extremely dependent on what type of game it is and whether the obstacles the player's going up against have been adjusted accordingly. there are any number of sequels in which the developers consciously removed an option from the predecssor to impose interesting limitations on the player or sequels/remakes considered worse than their predecessors because they thoughtlessly dump so many extra mechanics on the player's head without adjusting levels/enemies/etc to accommodate them that it trivialises most of what you're engaging with
>>682924741owned lol
>>682925845That would suggest either that both got paid reviews or neither did
>>682923585lolhttps://streamable.com/ogpupk
>>682925845people keep comparing the mtx store to SF6 but SF had the online store in there before the game even came out and people knew about the shoptekken store was out of nowhere and pissed people off because those things they're selling on their shop used to be FREE unlockables and included in past tekken games, and tekken 8 is fucking 70 dollarsthe stupid default blender ball they sell is literally per character fucks sake
>>682926293They fucked it up man, you always SSR Lidia (to her back) not SSL
>>682926287no, tekken added them AFTER their launch. scummy companies have been doing this on purpose lately to avoid getting bad reviews.
>>682894812>doing 2012 tier DLC scamming after launch instead of warning people beforehand>doubling down by removing stuff from 7 and selling it later>2D mechanics bullshit that made fucking Japan come out of the graveyard and even win tournaments now>nerfed backdash>every character has a retarded plus on block range 3 mid with 0 thought >added a lot of bullshit canned mixups from stances from characters that never even had it (Jack for example)>ft 2 ranked>online filled with cheaters and pluggers and they'll do nothing to change>shit optimization>worst season pass in modern fighting games so far, even worse than MK1 for some insane reasonand now>broken top 5 chars that they won't fix until next year with now 3 incoming p2w DLCs
>>682926293play Lili then
>>682895135>>682895383They made this game dumbed down for the lowest gooners in the world and became so shitty
>>682894812ueslopit's just worse than ps1 and ps2 era tekken and has less content
>>682928610I don't get it.
>>682928743here
>>682928743they made her face fatter and fatter with each game
I'm playing tekken 3
>>682928843Looks fine on my end
>>682929465she wide.
>>682928743she ate too much sushi
>>682894812Too many people suck at the game.
>>682929535japanese people are wide, that's why people call em pan-facedunless you're trying to tell me this looks better?
theyre adding scorpion
>>682929697I prefer that look yeah, at least she's not an ugly fatass.
>>682929752Bonus for actually looking japanese too and not a caked up idol with bug eyes like in Tekken 8.
Chip damage and heat ruined this game. If you fight Dragonuv, the faggot playing him can easily take you down to 1 hp even if you block everything thanks to chip damage.
>>682904354>>682895135Normies / zoomers aren't interested in fighting games and never will be because they don't like 1v1 PvP
>>682930567False, normalfags love SF6.
>>682904707>Ashes add more complexity to the gameplayHahahahayes I guess hitting mimic tear button at the start and letting him solo the fight is complexity
>>682930641No. Fighting games are niche since years and that's not gonna change.
>>682930731Yes they do, stop trying to pretend your genre is niche when fighting games sell millions.
>>682894812As a former Soul Calibur fan I curse Tekken to keep getting worse and worse as long as Soul Calibur is stuck in the limbo of forever reusing SC4 assets in bad sequels.
>>682914787>Look, retard, I have watched newcomers to Souls games destroy Malenia in a handful of tries thanks to RoB + Mimic Tear.What does this prove? You know these games have had cheese options since day 1 right? Most people won't find RoB or Mimic Tear unless they use a wiki, you could trivialize the difficulty of dark souls 1 with so much less effort. You cant say the game is casualized when they have always had this shit
>>682930641Normalfags might know who some of the characters are like Ryu and Chun Li but actually playing the game? Not a chance.
>>682928610leftmost is best
>>682930950The games sell millions, they're not niche by any means, we're not in the 90s.
>>682930814Compare that to fortnite / lol / valorant / whateverFighting games are ridiculously niche today and it's sad you don't even realize it
>>682931014Yeah they sell millions and 95% of the playerbase drops the game in a month after getting their ass kicked online.
>>682931032I knew you'd come up with this dumb argument. To you, niche means anything that isn't at the top of popularity like Fortnite. Sorry, but there's a large spectrum inbetween, and selling millions proves normalfags play it.
>>682931014>we're not in the 90s.Yes in the 90s those millions were the mainstream of all of videogames. These days that is less people than some gacha shit and makes a fraction of the money.
>>682921448No. regular edition should include all content
>>682931163Nope, SF6 is still populated.>>682931202>yeah but what about this other popular thing, huh? doesn't look so popular anymore huh?Dumb. Other things being more popular doesn't change the fact that it still sells millions and means normalfags play it.
>>682931431You were talking about mainstream, retard.
>>682931431SF6 looks and plays like dogshit though, no thanks.
>>682894812They introduced a bunch of brain dead offensive mechanics and now they will have to spend years adding new defensive mechanics to balance them.
>>682931782Did you reply to the wrong post or what?>>682931738Since you can't read, let me show you how this conversation started: >>682930567 >>682930641It's like saying normalfags don't watch horror movies because they only make 100 million bucks at the box office instead of 2 billion like avengers.
>>682929465>moddedOpinion discarded.
>>682894812The game is mostly fine.The DLC character decisions are completely retarded.The customization options are shit, and they're even too lazy to update their jewish battlepass.They randomly buffed the shit out of the unreactable 50/50 lord because someone called michael murray a nigger.
>>682933107>The game is mostly fine.until you go online
>>682923312Juggle has never had good single player content.
