excuse me>?
>>683197454You're gay now.
>>683197454op is gay. GAY.
YOU'RE ORGASMING OUT OF YOUR ANAL CAVITY
mimic got him bitch hahahabut still got that stupid symbol on me
>>683198408I wonder what happens if he grabs mimic instead?
>>683198543the mimic falls in love, and now you have to listen to them have "fun" each night while you sleep alone
>>683197454You're now gay.Your new life is Miquella gooning to you being railed by Radahn.
>>683198543either the mimic starts fighting you (cool and based) or it just dies (lame and gay), now guess
>>683198543Nothing, it would've been based if Miquella could turn your summons against you, but they probably didn't want to make the casuals cry more than they already are
>>683197454Cum Stolen
>>683197454>boss can rape you
what if there was a game that was more fun than any game, but it could make you gay in real life randomly from playingsay there's a 1/10000 chance every daywould you play it
>>683198543Same thing it does to you. Nothing on first grab, instakill with the kneeling animation on second grab.
>>683198883I'd play it 10000 times a day
>>683198543I think it just dies.
Miquella is a Griffith analogue. Both are long-haired androgynous prettyboys who sought ascension and have overwheming power in charming random people to their cause. We've had Guts analogues for years now (and there's a new one in the Mausoleum Knight), but finally we get a Griffith analogue.
>>683198945unfortunately that doesn't increase your chance of being gay, maybe i could add it to the shop or something
>>683198976not really analogous. griffith was actually charming, miquella is just a monster that has a charm skill
>>683199001I'll buy 10000 copies/accounts then
>>683198976Surface level analysis
>>683199078based
>>683199067>miquella is just a monster that has a charm skillAnd that's what Griffith is after his ascension and reincarnation from Femto back to Griffith. Schierke notes he has tremendous spiritual presence, enough to force almost anyone else to subconsciously bow to him in his presence. When Guts meets him again he says that for a brief moment he forgot his wrath and wanted to stand at his side again, and he can't have that.
>>683199235yeah you were talking about griffith though. he's only griffith before ascendingit was a surface level analysis as other guy said, not useful or intellectually stimulating
>>683199342Griffith and Femto are the same being.
>>683199390No...they're not. you missed the entire point of the storywhen you make a bad comment and people say it's stupid, just eat it. you aren't winning an argument, your premise was wrong
>>683197454sohow does that "kill" you exactly?same with trina's eternal sleep.you wouldn't be able to respawn
Why does the remembrance use they them pronouns until the very end for miquella?
>>683197454F A G G E D
>>683199437because it's referring to multiple people.
>>683199417Do I really have to buy 900 dollars of books that I have to read backwards to understand any of this berserk shi?
>>683199417>No...they're not. you missed the entire point of the storyYes, they are. Are you retarded or something? Femto is just Griffith without his mortal hesitations. His potential, released. He received the Crimson Behelit because Femto was always part of him. You sound like you stopped at the Eclipse and know nothing about what happened after.
>>683197454Lol imagine not dodging a grab twice in 1 fight.
>>683199437>Remembrance of a God and a LordRemembrance of a duo.
>>683199557no, nobody buys manga, what the fuck. also berserk is only worth reading like halfway>>683199572>bro this demonic character is just the other character without everything that made them human, it's not a different person!You typify japanese-stuff-consumers who don't understand anything they consume. I swear it's like 95% of you.
>>683199572Luckily elden ring isn't berserk you dumbshit.
>>683199638You are both stupid as fuck and have no earthly idea of what you're talking about.
>>683199672>bro it's the SAME GUY, it doesn't matter if there was a thousands of years long plan by the literal idea of evil itself to bestow this guy with near unlimited power>that didn't change his personality at all, he is the same person.
>>683199425thiolier stabs you for sipping on the trina juice
Real talk - how betrayed do the homosexuals feel that FS once again made the ultimate villain a gaymo?
>>683199887You really should stop posting.
>get heart stolen >Have to fight your previous self as an add next attempt > This can stack Yay or gay?
>>683200006Miquella is a good guy and he's not even gay, the consort thing was made up for the English version
>>683200104Gay and a psychological look into what is wrong with you in particular. It like you just told a psychiatrist your dream and it revealed you are a queer.
>>683200184You not a fluent english speaker? Consort isn't sexual you fag. A consortium isn't a collection of gays.
>>683200184>t. griffith
>>683200251>Consort isn't sexual you fag.Consort in Elden Ring is used exclusively to refer to romantic partners.Radagon is Marika's second King Consort.The Tarnished is Ranni's consort, their marriage sealed with a wedding ring and a betrothal gift of a magic greatsword.Miquella chose Radahn, Radahn said no, Miquella wouldn't take no for an answer.
>>683200363lol the queer is still trying. Stop trying to put your own political influence into a story.
>>683200205Interesting, I thought it would make for a more interesting boss mechanic instead of more roll slop
>>683197454faggot, lmao
>>683200013Considering siding with her this playthrough for the talismans. Hornsent's a fag anyway
>play as a woman (i am one)checkmate
>>683197454
>>683200251>A consortium isn't a collection of gays.*lights cigarette* not until you just gave me that idea.
>>683200683The merchant consortium would like to bottle the aroma to sell to the gay consortium afterward. Contact the relations consortium to get it off the ground.We want to exploit you guys asap.
>>683199638It is the same person, you're retarded. He was willing to sacrifice every single one of his friends to achieve his dream. He was always a cunt, he just went pro
>>683197454How do you even get your heart stolen? I've been grabbed multiple times, all it did is add some shit on top of my head and maybe lower my damage.
>>683198705wow what a missed opportunity
>>683200952Get grabbed twice. It only happens to people that are unironically bad at the game.
>>683200013>betraying ansbach
>>683198883Isn't that just FFXIV?
>>683200013>side with her>she still murderhobos you because you dared to approach miquellaStill best fight in the DLC.
>>683201069meant for >>683200478
>first time miquella tries to charm the tarnished it doesn't workFeels good knowing that sissy little hypno-faggot had to witness for the first time in his life somebody rejecting his gayness. I'm sure it caused massive seethe in him.
>>683198883Stop trying to groom people online you creep.
>>683197454What does it do anyway? The grab is so slow I pretty much never get hit by it. And those couple of times when I did - I couldn't figure out what the debuff does.
>>683201129>Feels good knowing that sissy little hypno-faggot had to witness for the first time in his life somebody rejecting his gayness. You haven't beaten him yet lol.
>>683201195But I did.
>>683201123I mean he dies anyway, what do you get out of helping him that you wont get from his corpse? That incant?
>>683201274>Miquella sought to accept all that was and would be, but found one that refused to be embraced.He's used to it.
>>683201164Think after you get grabbed once youre supposed to use his great rune to dispel the charm.
>>683201351Yeah, I read the description of the rune and realized it was a usable item AFTER I beat him.
>>683201287Doesnt that refer to the Tarnished? Who else would it be?
>>683201287>but found one that refused to be embraced.Yeah that's me. I don't care if I'm wrong that's my interpretation and its cooler in my head.
>>683201287>>Miquella sought to accept all that was and would be, but found one that refused to be embraced.that's talking about you retard
>>683201376Same, oh well.Honestly thought it was gonna be a great rune we could fix and equip like any other.
>>683201408Radahn. The player can be embraced.>>683201414no>>683201419no
>>683201129first time makes you homosecond time makes you into him specifically
>>683201130gay response, you have turned gay from saying some gay shit like that to me. sorry bro
>>683201459Still no idea what the debuff does.
>>683201512Yeah but its from something you get from his remembrance which means the Tarnished killed him for that incantation, and such, that revelation to exist.
>yaoi, femboy, mind_control, josou_semedoes japan really???
>>683201527Don't get mad because people tell you not to try grooming on /v/. >>683201621Its still talking about Radahn.
>>683201512But everyone on the chanz was saying Radahn got the sissy hypno'd into fighting you.He doesn't even talk he's just a big dumb retarded mutie.
>>683201563Pretty sure its just an indicator that something bad is about to happen. Like Mohg's Nihil Rings
>>683201647>Its still talking about Radahn.radahn was succesfully charmedkep coping
>>683201647>Don't get mad because people tell you not to try grooming on /v/.the fuck are you talking about retard lmfao...for you to even think in this way shows youre very adjacent to that culture
>>683201713>about to happenNo, you get inflicted with the debuff AFTER the grab. I assume it's like increased damage taken, like form Kalameet's grab attack, or something.
>>683201720He was not>>683201746Why are you seething? Just don't groom here.
>>683201563If you get grabbed twice you get the "Let Us Go Together" gesture, a unique death screen (see OP), and die instantly. If you kill Miquella without seeing that screen the gesture will be lying in a rare drop in the center of the arena. Use Miquella's Great Rune to break the mark and avoid death the second time.
>>683201705He is being hypno'd. Radahn's thing is that he's a warmongering, horse-loving Godfrey fanboy. He has no agency in the fight.In the end, it took Miquella embracing him to keep him in check. Much like Serosh holding Hoarah Loux back. Guess he ended up like his idol after all.
>>683201821Oh, okay. Getting grabbed twice in the same fight would have to be insanely rare.
>>683200827Every single one of his friends was willing to sacrifice themselves for his dream. He would have been a cunt to have given up and let all their sacrifices be in vain.
>>683201894It's not as rare as you might think.
>>683201793sound like a groomed kid. sorry that happened to you or whatever
Does his rune stop that killing you?
>>683201959what are you talking about?
>>683201793yes anon, Radahn was charmed.Play the game and you'll understand
>>683201984No it makes flowers shoot out of your ass and Melina appears nearby and claps, then disappears
>>683202056No, he wasn't. Radahn and Miquella were always allies.
>>683201984I assume so since thats what it says in the description. One of those items made to counter a boss mechanic like Maliketh and the Blasphemous Claw
>>683202056Radahn couldn't be charmed, that is why the plan to shove his soul into Mogh's body exists clownshoes.Have you not actually played the dlc yet?
>>683202142Yeah theyre such good allies one of the biggest most devastating battles of the war was against his sister and the Haligtree forces. Face if, Miquella saw him, wanted him and wouldn't take no for an answer.
>>683201647Nobody is grooming anyone, you fucking idiot. Can't you disengage from culture war bullshit for five seconds and laugh at "haha gay is funny"?
>>683202290and at the end he succeded to charm him, retard
>>683202447I wanna be groomed by Miquella does that count
>>683202447Why are you still trying to groom him when he told you to stop?
>>683202550I'm gonna crack his egg, xister, if it's the last thing I do
>>683202550He is possessed of an ideology and literally can't stop. Vaca the groomer it is the only way to get them out of here.
>clubbed to death starts playing
>>683202647That chaotic fight was great
>>683197454>>683202509I really wish there was a "hidden" ending to the dlc ala ranni.Siding with miquella after killing his boy toy out of jealousy sounds like a very fromsoft ending.
>>683202741>she thinks ranni's ending is hiddenwew ladess
>>683202915I put it in quotations for a reason gayboy. It's the one that breaks the established mold for the endings and requires you do more to get it.
>>683202741Ranni is the canon ending.
>>683203147Because you are dumb? Ranni's ending isn't hidden in any capacity.
>>683201767the debuff makes it so the second grab causes "heart stolen". you need the item from the sunflower fight to dispell the debuff
>>683203415Explain how someone, without using a guide, would randomly stumble upon her ending.
>>683201894It's pretty easy. He will try the grab quite a bit. It's easy enough to avoid but if you are just tanking him it'll hit you twice prettu easily until you actively avoid it.
>>683204056They go talk to her.Are you special needs?
>>683204056The hole to access Nokron has a map marker
>>683198408>Buy a game>Let the AI play it for youI'm not sure if it's possible to be a bigger cuck, anon
>>683198976Radahn was Donovan the whole time! Hecking kino, just like my butts gerk!
>>683200104>get heart stolen>>>683200251>Consort isn't sexual you fag. Doesn't matter, the first definition that 90% of players think of is spouse
>>683200251Consort is the spouse of a ruler who for whatever reason can't have the equivalent title like king or queen.
>>683206292Everyone knows>>683206193No, they think of Consort since that is the word used. When people think of political marriages they don't think of sexual relationships by default. Its fine if you aren't a fluent english speaker and didn't know.
>>683207171Everyone immediately understood Miquella lusted for Big Radahn Cock
>>683202741Ranni's quest isn't hidden, anon.
>>683207348lol she's still trying
>>683198883That's just H games with female protags.
>>683204638>you have to rest at a specific bonfire to talk to her doll>you have to talk thrice to him
>>683197454You are gay now don't get grab 3 times
>>683211353Not really confusing.
>>683198408does the thumbnail look like miquella about to take a massive shit to anyone else?
>>683197454All this arguing over something fundamentally retarded
>>683212734really lame attempt at getting in a le quirky 4chan screenshot
>>683203291This
>>683204805Did you complain about all the people that love tge necromancer from diablo 2
>>683197454https://youtu.be/VgK4J-szQC8?si=OicvOat5a5_Ebq6d
>>683199437They're literally two niggas
>>683198543I'm curious if he can grab a jellyfish or a rat
>>683200013h-hot
>>683198976>who sought ascensiongriffith never sought acension he just didn't want all the people who died for his dream to be in vain
>>683197454YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT CUMMING
>>683206292Radahn is called King in the japanese version.In fact all Lords are called Kings.
>>683214853>Lots of dumb retarded headcanon in that chart, especially still pushing the idea that the Eclipse is related to Godwyn
>>683207171>marriageso you admit it was gay
>>683198976I think Griffith is a million times cooler than Miquella because Griffith actually suffers to accomplish his goals. Miquella is just handed everything he needs because that's how video games work. Elden Ring is kind of lame when you compare it to Berserk.
>>683198883If you play it every day for 10 years, that's only a 30% chance of becoming gay. If it was actually the game I'd definitely be fine with those chances.
>>683222143>Eclipse shotel that uses Deathblight can be found at Castle Sol>Golden Epitaph has Eclipse symbol at the top of the blade(look at it upside down)>spirits at Castle sol lament not being able toresurrect Miquella's soulless comrade>mausoleum knight carry Eclipse greatshield>highest concentration of headless knights in deep root depths>Death Knights have eclipse imageryThe Eclipse would've made it possible to return Godwyn's soul to the Erdtree. That's what they mean by a "True Death".
>>683214853None of this is correct, it just shows how retarded muh retcon schizosWe already know that Miquella betrayed the Golden Order, and so Radahn broke the vow as his ambition was becoming Elden Lord of the Golden Order like Godfrey. Turtle pope specifically states there's even worse consequences for breaking a vow, implying he knew about Miquella and Radahn alliance.
>>683222792>We already know that Miquella betrayed the Golden Order, and so Radahn[Headcanon]There's the problem with the story.
>>683222792Turtle pope was talking about Radagon breaking up with Renalla
>>683222792Gael was a fun fight thoughperchancebeit. Orphan was good too.Having nobodies for the final boss of the DLC was good actually, including Manus.
>>683222665The Eclipse and Godwyn aren't tied. The Golden Epitaph was in Marika's Gold and before the Unalloyed Gold, Miquella's comrade is the Soulless Demigod near Castle Sol. By using Deathblight he can make them like Those Who Live in Death, pulling the soul back from the Erdtree and back into their bodies.The Eclipse serves to weaken Destined Death, which is the attraction that the Erdtree has on souls
>>683222935>Radahn[Headcanon] lol>>683222952No, he's clearly talking about the DLC>"In the end, Lady Rennala was left alone, cradling the amber egg Lord Radagon bequeathed her. Now she devotes herself to it through forbidden rite; the grim art of reincarnation. You would do well to remember... Severing a vow, strongest of bonds, has consequences ever more dire".Why the fuvk would he say "even more dire" when he did already mention Radagon and Rennala?
>>683222969>Gael was a fun fight thoughperchancebeit. No, /v/ hated it because it was too easy. Now people bitch about the opposite.Gael was a completely new character and /v/ hated itRadahn is an old ccharacter and /v/ hated it.No matter what people will always complain, especially necause Miyazaki specifically writes ahead of time everything and doesn't actually give a shit if the fanbase theorizes an asspull to fight Kaathe or Godwyn (just to name 2 canonically dead characters that /v/ wanted to fight as fanservice)
>>683223041This is pure headcanon, shut the fuck up. None of this is verified by the game at all retard>using Deathblight he can make them like Those Who Live in Death, pulling the soul back from the Erdtree and back into their bodies.Did you even play the game?
>>683223457>This is pure headcanon, shut the fuck up.No it isn't>Did you even play the game?Did you? DID YOU? How do you think Deathblight works? Because how magic works in Souls games is always very tied to metaphysical science and always has an hard ruleset.Deathblight is the anti-Erdtree. The Erdtree pulls souls of the dead back into it. Godwyn's deathblight has the opposite effect, souls return to their dead bodies. The Eclipse can weaken the former so that the latter is stronger. That's EXACTLY how it works.Godwyn IS deathblight, so how the fuck would deathblight work on Godwyn, who has no soul in the Erdtree to begin with.
>barges in>kills everything>kills your few followers>kills yours husbandwhy is the tarnished such an asshole?
>>683223041>Miquella has statue's of Godwyn>Golden Epitaph has his quote>a true death would mean returning to the Erdtree>where Godwyn's soul can then be used>the experiments at Castle Sol was for some other nobody Demigod never mentioned >it had nothing to do with Godwyn at allThe amount of hoops you people have to jump through to justify this shit narrative is insane. The logical and better option is to have Radahn be the reason the Eclipse can't start. Once it starts, Miquella can pluck Godwyn's soul from the place all death washes up or wherever the fuck, put it in Mohg's body and there "Mohgwyn The Promised Consort"Explain to me how Radahn makes more sense in a resurrection plot.
>>683222952He wasn't, it said there's even worse consequences than what happened with Rennala.
>>683199067>>683198976Griffith is a retarded psychopath who ruined the whole world for selfish gain, Miquella actually did nothing wrong and sacrificed everything to fix the world. Griffith apologists are retarded or evil, and it speaks to the ever increasing infestation of the internet by third world trash that they are becoming more common.
>>683223945>>Miquella has statue's of Godwyn Headcanon>>Golden Epitaph has his quote >>a true death would mean returning to the Erdtree >>where Godwyn's soul can then be used >>the experiments at Castle Sol was for some other nobody Demigod never mentioned It was for all Soulless Demigods. Sacret Trees can grow by having remembrancee hewn into it.>>it had nothing to do with Godwyn at all Correct
>>683223748>Godwyn's deathblight has the opposite effect, souls return to their dead bodiesHeadcanon>Godwyn IS deathblight, so how the fuck would deathblight work on GodwynYou're making baseless assumptions that this is what's being done in the first place retard, play the game
>>683201705>>683201869The presentation is entirely opposite of what you suggest. Radahn fully accepted his role and became far more powerful and confident when Miquella came to him in his hour of need.
>>683224083>>Godwyn's deathblight has the opposite effect, souls return to their dead bodies >Headcanon Play the fucking game, retard>You're making baseless assumptionsThe only retard making baseless assumption is you.
>>683224021>Miquellafags are THIS retardedNot even a Griffith apologist but stop speedreading through the eclipse chapters
>>683223748>misunderstanding the lore this fucking hardDeathblight is a cancer retard. The Eclipse has nothing to do with deathblight. Deathblight removes your ability to return to the Erdtree. The Eclipse is what guides souls back
>>683223774The tarnished is canonically Marika's chosen one. And of course that stupid bitch would choose a mass murdering psychopath
>>683224186>schizo fanfiction babble is canonPlay the game instead of treating it as a creative writing class
>>683224263Nothing even slightly vindicates his choice. Even his slightly altruistic bents were ultimately just because he wanted people to praise him for fixing things. He had not a single actually selfless bone in his entire body, as shown by his willingness to doom the entire human race just to force people to move to Falconia.
>>683224178>Radahn fully accepted his role and became far more powerful and confidentHe has nearly the exact same moveset as Phase 1 only there's light vomit aoe everywhere. All of the flashstepping bullshit is Miquella's powers, Radahn isn't changed at all.
>>683224320I thought you kill her when you kill Radagon since they are the sameShe doesn't even appear in any of the endings
>>683224075Godwyn and Deathblight have no effect on how the Eclipse's functions you fucking retard. It's the Eclipse that'll effect Godwyn. What would be the point in Miquella trying to start the Eclipse if he only needed death blight to fix the dead?
>>683224492Yes, she is dead. What she wanted was someone to burn the tree and kill Radagon and fix the elden ring. That this would result in her own death was acceptable to her.
>>683198883Yes absolutely I fucking would. If I were gay I wouldn’t have keep it a secret that I love sucking cock and getting fucked in the ass
>>683224271>Deathblight is a cancer retard. The Eclipse has nothing to do with deathblight. Deathblight removes your ability to return to the Erdtree. The Eclipse is what guides souls backNo it's not you stupid retard. The Eclipse keeps Destined Death at bay, which is the effect of the Rune of Death which makes the Erdtree grant "True Death" by abdorbing the dead.The Eclipse effectively aids the effect of Deathblight which is why Eclipse weapons and Knights all have Deathblight. You fucking moron>>683224343You have no argument and you are a total retard. The game even shows and several characters like Rogier and D openly state that TWLID are like that because their soul returns to their body instead of going to the Erdtree, thus they live in Death, but you are probably so caught up with trying to tie TWLID and Godwyn as the same condition to push the narrative.The Eclipse was a plan to have Demigods return as TWLID, using the same Deathblight that created many undeads. It has nothong to do with Godwyn besides Godwyn being the source of this power.
>>683224569>It's the Eclipse that'll effect Godwyn.Headcanon
>>683198543i wish when he charms summons theyd turn against youi never actually checked but im pretty sure thats not how it work...
>>683225094>more headcanon>straight up ignores Fia's quest telling you the exact opposite>also ignores how Destined Death is sealed and how the Erdtree only even exists because it's sealedPlay the game and stop responding to me.
>>683198883I hate video games so nah.
>>683198883I'm already gay, where's the downside?
>>683225372>>straight up ignores Fia's quest telling you the exact opposite She doesn't. Even Fia calls TWLID Souls. You don't have the slightest clue of how undeath works.>>also ignores how Destined Death is sealed and how the Erdtree only even exists because it's sealed Destined Death is exactly what enacts the Erdtree to suck souls back into it. To stop or keep it at bay, it means that souls DO NOT return to the Erdtree, which was the whole point of the Eclipse. Eclipse weapons use deathblight. The object of the eclipse is to "grant life to these soulless bones" meaning making of the Soulless Demigods in the mausoleums undead, by having Deathblight being their souls from the Erdtree to their respective bodies.
>>683203281
>>683225094>No it's not you stupid retard. The Eclipse keeps Destined Death at bay, which is the effect of the Rune of Death which makes the Erdtree grant "True Death" by abdorbing the dead.>The Eclipse effectively aids the effect of Deathblight which is why Eclipse weapons and Knights all have Deathblight. You fucking moronLord miquella, forgive me.The sun has not been swallowed. Our prayers are lackingYour comrade remains soulless… Destined death is the real "True Death" away from the Erdtree. Deathblight is a half assed version created as a side effect of Godwyn. It just removes you from the Erdtree. The Eclipse keeps Destined Death at bay in the sense it allows souls to return and have a presence. Deathblight focuses on living beings and removes them from the Erdtree. Rogier doesn't become soulless when he's hit by it. The Eclipse = for people already deadDeathblight = for the living
>>683225939>ignores Destined Death being sealed >more specifically how its sealing is literally a pre-requisite for the existence of the Golden OrderYou're so dumb man lol
>>683197454The only cool attack he has and you'll probably never see it. Sad.
>>683226152Headcanon bullshit. The game openly states what the Eclipse does. It doesn't bring True Death, it keeps Destined Death at bay, period.This means it can create a process which causes souls to go from the Erdtree back to their original body.>>683226231>>ignores Destined Death being sealed You are a dumb fucktard. Exactly because Destined Death is sealed, it means that True Death only goes through souls and bodies returning to it with an Erdtree burial, which is the whole point. To halt Destined Death, means removing the Erdtree's power to pull souls, effectively enabling all who died and have their souls in the Erdtree to return to their respective bodies. Guess on what that would never work? On Godwyn who has no soul in the Erdtree. It's literally the only one in the Lands Between who would be completely unaffected by the Eclipse
>>683226624I like the after-images a lot
>>683226832>the erdtree can only pull souls because destined death is sealed>but stopping destined death means removing the erdtrees power to pull soulsYou can't even be consistent within your own retarded little headcanons, stop responding to me and play the game
Was this worth 2 years?
>>683227173yes
>>683198883reddit ass question
>>683197454You gay now
Can someone explain why this mod is the final boss?
>>683227557Micky Zaki had an aneurysm and decided to scrap the Miquella's consort ending because he realized it was mutually exclusive to the Ranni ending
>>683227651who is micky zaki?
>>683227718Forgive micky zakiZanibart
>>683227557to make retarded godwynfags mad
>>683198408he gave you a kiss goodbyeBAH HAHA FAGGOT!
>>683223970He's using Renalla as an example of what happens when you sever a vow, how retarded are you? Even if you wanna headcanon and say he meant something else when he mentioned consequences, then you can say that he's talking about what happened to Radagon in the end>>683223180He said ever more, not even more, meaning long-lasting consequences
>>683226832>Headcanon bullshit. The game openly states what the Eclipse does. It doesn't bring True Death, it keeps Destined Death at bay, period.>This means it can create a process which causes souls to go from the Erdtree back to their original body.Yes and that process has nothing to do with death blight you fucking idiot. In game the people treat returning to the erdtree as "true death". Destined death is the real "true death". Godwyn never experienced Destined Death and deathblight is a side effect from putting his still alive corpse into the roots of the Erdtree. Deathblight doesn't do anything but sever your connection to the Erdtree. Thus their souls return to their dead bodies.The Eclipse was meant to find Godwyn's soul and return it. Deathblight and The Eclipse are adjacent not connected
>>683227812who is that though?
>>683221885YOU'LL SEE THAT MY DICK IS TOO FAST FOR EYES
>>683228034YouMustKillmicky zaki
>>683197454THE SISSY HYPNO IS COMPLETE
I think it's fair to say the mimic is kinda busted, but am I cucking my own experience if I summon giant rats?
>>683197454You're excused... brah
>>683223456I mean also the entire narrative point about Godwyn is that he's dead. His soul was obliterated and now he's more of a cancerous tumor on the Lands Between. He only exists in the context of the story because his death caused the story to be set into motion.
>>683227127>>the erdtree can only pull souls because destined death is sealed >>but stopping destined death means removing the erdtrees power to pull souls Yes you dumb fucking retard. What do you think sealing Destined Death means? Why do you think the Golden Order WAS BORN by sealing Destoned Death? Because the one fundamental aspect of the Golden Order is the control of Life and Death. The Erdtree can control Death exactly because the Rune was sealed, you stupid fuck, while before the Golden Order the dead would just due and be burned with Ghostflame instead, and before that be led to Helphen and carried as spirits by Tibia Mariner. The whole point of Marika's Order is the strict control on the aspects of Life and Death. The Erdtree establishes true death by pulling souls and bodies into it, from which new Life sprouts. Everything that rejects or is foreign to this is blasphemous.
>>683228257Who is micky zaki though?
>>683227998>He's using Renalla as an example of what happens when you sever a vowYeah I'm sure he randomly, casually dropped a line about how bad things happen when breaking a voew which has nothing to do about a DLC later revealing that the two poster boys of the game were fighting over a broken vow.
>>683197454You're a nobody now.
>>683198883Undertale already exists though.
>>683223748DeathROOT creates Those Who Live In Death.Deathblight and deathroot aren't the same. Show me a single item description or in-game dialogue that says they are.
>>683228650(Creator of Elden Ring )
>>683228568>stopping destined death, something that the Erdtrees to not be a thing in order to function means that it wont be able to workPlay the game
>>683228758>were fighting over a broken vow.We don't even know what the vow is or whether Radahn agreed to it or not, we have no say from his perspective besides Freyja being chill with it. Hop off Miyazaki's dick, you're putting infinitely more thought into the lore than he did when he cooked up this hunk of shit
>>683197454>Didn't read item descriptions>Didn't dodge the frame 5000 command grab>TwiceYou deserved it.
>>683198543It should turn into a clone of Radahn then betray you. That shit would've been funny as fuck.
>>683200013zoomer cringe
>>683207171>>683206292>>683200251here's what the dictionary has to say about it, pigmutt
>>683197454OP confirmed gay
>>683222935Is it really a problem or can you not imagine going through a story that doesn't tell you every little detail to the world? Is it so hard to see everyone getting cc'd by miquella and then look at the new radahn hat's description and think somethings up there? "Miquella awaits thee, O promised consort". We may not what was going on with Radahn specifically, but I think that alone adds context to the fight scene for the trailer of the vanilla game. I'm sorry but these games have the best stories because of their lack of handholding and giving you specific answers. One of the few types of threads I care to reply to you mutants are story discussion threads. Without that lack of information these threads would be insufferable because then it's just you faggots bitching that it isn't what you wanted even more. Swear its just the tards complaining about godwyn yet they don't remember his soul was destroyed by destined death. And this isn't even item description headcanon, ranni just fucking tells you!
No one can even explain how death works in this game>ib some stupid faggot boldly proclaims his head canon as factIs every demi god you killed before unlocking destined death going to be reborn? Will they look the same? Do they just have the same spul? How long does it take? What happens if they don't get an erd tree burial? And many more questions NO ONE knows the answers to (although they pretend to) and they never will.If you can't even explain how DEATH works in your story, with something called destined death being a major plot point, then your story sucks.
>>683228006>Yes and that process has nothing to do with death blightyes it does>In game the people treat returning to the erdtree as "true death". Destined death is the real "true death". Destined Death is the Rune of Death, period. It has nothing, nothing to do with what death is "true". Death changed multiple times before the Golden Order and there's no real established "true death" >Godwyn never experienced Destined Death You don't know what Destined Death is, you don't have the slightest clie>and deathblight is a side effect from putting his still alive corpse into the roots of the Erdtree.No, it's an effect of his body being alive, growing with no control and reason>The Eclipse was meant to find Godwyn's soul and return it.Headcanon bullshit again.The Eclipse is STATED openly to keep Destined Death at bay
>>683227173The DLC is obviously huge considering it's a DLC and I'm not complaining, but 2 years is a long time and I'm a bit underwhelmed by its length.
>>683227173No and I'm at a loss how this could have taken 2 years to make. They probably had it done 6 months after release and just sat on it this whole time.
>>683231942From was probably pressured by Bandai to make the DLC because of the runaway success of the base game.
Unironically the good ending, what else is there? Kill him then go back and what exactly? Help Ranni just fuck off and help no one but herself? Crown yourself Shit Lord of the The Lands of Shit? Everything in their world sucks almost everyone is dead, he quite literally cannot be worse than what came before.
>>683231442>everyone getting cc'd by miquellaIt's literally all head canon. People who get very close to Miquella fall in love with him. He doesn't even have control over it, it's just passive. He never spoke to Mohg. Didn't command his sister to be an evil retard. Nothing in the DLC says that Miquella is a bad person or hurt anyone. Even Trina says that you should stop Miquella for his own sake, not that he's bad for the role. The only person in the entire fucking game AND the DLC who doesn't like Miquella is Ansbach, who is eternally butthurt that Mohg got turned into a marginally better person after sniffing Miquella's divine asshole.
>>683232205The tarnished is just canonically evil in SOTE. The game outright tells you your motivation, and it's pure selfishness.
>>683233115Morgott has been saying it since the beggining, you just didn't listen.But he also tells you the other demigods are no better.
>>683197454I started ER (reforged mod, since I'll only play this game once anyway it's over 100 hours) but I find it so fucking massive I kinda don't wanna launch it.Ended up fighting the Demi-Human Chief or something by going off-route, I think I can beat him in a couple more tries but the game is just so big I lose all will to continue. Also it continually feels like I should explore somewhere else to not miss on rare resources or treasures that could be helpful when I continue the main route.
>>683233301Morgott's a salty uncle tom. If he could just hold his autism for five minutes we could work together but nooooo gotta protect the big tree, momma who hated me said so (which isn't even true lmao)
>>683233009Cope.Miquella's entire plan involved killing both Mohg and Radahn from the start.The only thing he didn't expect from Malenia is her failing to kill him.The DLC made him a scheming cunt.
>>683233542Considering the tarnished will not speak to him he's right to be defensive because you can be anything from the shit eaters rapist buddy trying to make scat fetishism part of the ring or an edgelord doing the frenzied flame or a simp. He's right to kick your ass for trying.
>>683197454I had 2 grown men basically beg me to try the DLC. Super gay.
>>683197592wtf is that webm?
>>683233620There was no plan. Mohg kidnapped Miquella from the haligtree. Miquella is just dealing with having his actual plans ruined, and cobbling something new together with what he has at hand.
>>683227557Miyazaki reads /v/ and got really butthurt about rollslop memes
>>683231442>"Miquella awaits thee, O promised consort"I bet you like GOT and Modern Star Wars as well faggot. Mystery box writing is not good writing. Malenia and Radahn's reasoning for fighting is so fucking retarded I can't take the battle of the festival seriously anymore. I genuinely look down on anyone who thinks this is good shit. >I'm sorry but these games have the best stories because of their lack of handholding and giving you specific answersEither you're a faggot or a fujoshi. 1/3 of the lore is a fucking mess now. Everyone involved in this piece of shit story for the DLC came out looking objectively worse. A twist with no payoff and we have to do back flips just to rationalize it is garbage. Something straight out of the head of a 15 year old girl. Calling it fanfic tier might even be an insult.
>>683214853Freyja is retarded and is somehow ok with her lord's corpse being raped
>>683198883That's exactly why VRChat is popular
>>683218487He can't grab nonplayer model humanoids even, i fought them with Kristoff.
>>683198883god i wish i were gay, american women are awful
>>683236368The reason for their fight is unchanged. Malenia wanted to prove that she was the most powerful warrior in the world. Just now we know the specific excuse she came up with to justify her random act of horrific violence
>>683237530How long are you going to keep running with this lmao. It's very funny the olympic gymnastics you need to do to justify Miquella being a homo piece of shit to the point you just ignore anything that might paint him in a bad light
>>683231103Did Prince Albert have a sword fight with the Queen on his back?I hope so.
>>683233009The greater whole of information in the DLC tells us or implies that he was a 5d chess player that mind-raped everyone to make good on a promise he made as a little boy.
>>683237810Don't start with him, he's going to list his 10 million different headcanons as to why Miquella did nothing wrong and the stuff he did do wrong was totally justified, and if an NPC has conflicting information with his headcanon they're wrong
>>683227278reddit would flay you alive for implying that becoming gay is a punishment
I still can't wrap my head around how surreal that shit is>Final boss is a character you know and already fought, but he's gay now>You're also fighting his gay husband simultaneouslyIt's like From Software linked up with Blizzard. I can't take that shit seriously, and I can't imagine how people take it seriously, the entire dlc lore is basically just Michael Zaki taking a piss.
>>683201069I find it genuinely baffling the game seems to expect you to sympathise with Ansbach by default.>oh no the lord of blood had his body defiled what a crimeMy dude he literally cultivated a group of murderous psychopaths and had them go out and kill innocent tarnished for no other reason than because he's literally fucking insane. It's so nonsensical to me that one of the major story beats of the DLC is "we have to honor Mohg's body" FUCKING WHY? Why would I give a shit about Mohg? If anything what Miquella wants to do with Mohg is nothing less than poetic justice.
>>683237530It's a fucking joke now. Either Miquella had Malenia nuke Caelid because he was thirsty or Radahn sacrificed everything he ever knew for a stupid vow. It's so fucking weird and stupid. Everyone involved either looks like a psycho or a complete retard regardless of how you look at it. It's lame and underwhelming compared to literally anything else we could've gotten. If you like it that's fine. Just know that I look down on you and think your opinion isn't worth shit.
I know I'm late to the party but imagine making the greatest DLC of all time and then making the final boss rehashed assets, of which is phase 2 is just a rehashed phase 1 with extra holy explosions on his same animations from phase 1.
>>683238415Because the implication with Ansbach being such a good guy is that Mohg wasn't always as bad as he seems which went over your head because you're obsessed with Miquella's cock
>>683238449>It's a fucking joke now. no it's not>Either Miquella had Malenia nuke Caelid because he was thirsty or Radahn sacrificed everything he ever knew for a stupid vow.The war is the consequence of Radahn breaking the vow since Miquella rejected the Golden Order. This is not new material either. Miquella betraying the Golden Order was known since forever>Everyone involved either looks like a psycho or a complete retard regardless of how you look at it. No, everything we got aligns with the base game characterization of all characters.>It's lame and underwhelming compared to literally anything else we could've gotten.subjective
>>683238514Imagine if the final boss of Old Hunters was Lawrence the First Cleric Beast. Orphan of Kos was completely scrapped and Lady Maria only appears for 1 minute at the very end.
>>683238986Maria is the Messmer equivalent so you'd fight her in some random location that has nothing to do with the fishing hamlet or hunter's nightmare
>>683238415It doesn't expect that at all, merely that you hear him out. You're projecting now.
>>683238652>you just don't... le get it!I understood perfectly that the DLC was trying to sell me on the idea that Mohg is not as bad as he seems but it's utter horseshit. Even if you factor in Miquella enchanting Mohg that still doesn't justify him creating the bloody fingers, a violent murderous group of invaders who kill tarnished for literally no reason, and worshipping a god that thrives on blood and suffering. The only thing sympathetic about him is that he's a product of his torturous upbringing, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a murderous psychopath who would spread suffering to the maximum if he got his way.
>>683201081>fun
>>683229906>We don't even know what the vow is yes we do, the vow is not some unspecified generic term. The base game already defines that the vow is the union of Lord Consort and God/Goddess.>or whether Radahn agreed to it or not, we have no say from his perspective besides Freyja being chill with it.Of course he was ok with it, since the vow is a ritual stipulated in the Church of Vows. What changed is that Miquella used to be an Empyrean chosen by the Two Fingers to replace Marika, but betrayed his father and thus his half-brother broke the vow>>683238449The only joke here is retard having an emotional meltdown over their fanfic not being real while showing a complete lack of understanding of any part of the game.
>>683239124I've gone through the DLC twice and without even intending to the game railroaded me into siding with Ansbach.
>>683239214The bloody fingers sole purpose is to feed blood into Miquella's cocoon, why do you think that is?
>>683239256>The base game already defines that the vow is the union of Lord Consort and God/Goddess.Are you illiterate? Can you see words on your screen? >if we fulfill our side of the vow, promise me you'll be my consortThere's a separate vow that Miquella put forth that if they (likely meaning Malenia and Miquella) fulfilled it Radahn would be his consort. >Of course he was ok with it, since the vow is a ritual stipulated in the Church of Vows.Headcanon, also we get no say from Radahn on this matter in any way. Very ironic to say people don't understand the story when you don't understand English.
>>683239256Empyreans aren't chosen, they are born empyreans.
>>683239319Not a single in-game piece of dialogue or item description says that. Mohg communed with the Formless Mother of his own volition long before Miquella's enchantment.
>>683239513Sure he did, didn't mean he was killing Tarnished for his blood cult until Miquella was involved, we have no clear timeline of events. Why don't you think Pureblood Knights exist anymore?
>>683198883Jokes on you, I'm already Bisexual. Thanks for the best game ever made
>>683217954nigga that's a sharty poster, his dad was in middle school when diablo 2 came out
>>683239592Simply the act of communing with an eldritch horror of blood and suffering should be more than enough to convince any sane rational person that he's not a sympathetic character.
>>683238814>The war is the consequence of Radahn [headcanon] There's nothing saying what they fought over and that's the problem. It doesn't even matter any more because like I said the story is retarded on a fundamental level>No, everything we got aligns with the base game characterization of all characters.Malenia never had any characterization. It was implied she abandoned her pride at the battle but the DLC never elaborated on her. For having such an impact on the story she's practically irrelevant.Miquella was treated as a prodigy in base game who understood the hidden nature of the world and with more influence than anyone in the land besides Marika if you really knew where to look. All of his actions can be traced back to his sister, brother, or a greater cause. In the DLC he seems like a fucking retard who never cared about anyone who wasn't useful to him. Also has Radahn on his mind 24/7 after no hints of their relationship at all.Radahn probably got it the worse. He was cool and had a great sendoff. Him coming back devalues the festival and makes him genuinely pitiful on multiple levels. Because of a vow he agreed on or because he rejected his half brother, he gets brainrotted and turned into a zombie, his land is destroyed, his men are reduced to fighting off mutated wildlife and an uncurable infection in a battle they can't possibly win, and when he finally gets his long overdue rest his soul gets taken and shoved into a repulsive meatpuppet fashioned from the corpse of his step (half?) brother, and finally dies again 10 minutes later in some empty wasteland with nobody even being alive besides the Tarnished to tell his full tale.
>>683239256>complaining about people using their headcanon>half the story requires you to use your headcanon
>>683239509He was CHOSEN as the Empyrean that would replace Marika, stupid>>683239493>>if we fulfill our side of the vow, promise me you'll be my consort He says first that he won't fail, that he will surely become God, so asks him to also become Lord if he keeps that promise兄様私は必ず、神になりますですから、私たちが約束を守れたら私の王になってください…世界を、優しくしたいのですThe cutscene haplens before the war between Miquella and Radahn, when Radahn had already broken the vow over Miquella turning against the Erdtree, which is why he also says that he will make the world a gentler place. At that point Radahn had already broken the deal and Miquella's Haligtree was always a failure, whike you mistakenly attribute that cutscene to the vow being stipulated. We know the vow and Miquella choosing Radahn happened way before that, with Radahn prime.
>>683239303It's almost like Miquella is an antagonist that you absolutely have to kill and Ansbach is the character that facilitates the why.
>>683239737Even in the base game that's not really true, he's susceptible to the formless mother's influence because of his isolated upbringing and complete lack of any love, bloodfiends have a similar story where their tribe was ravaged and left on the brink of destruction
>>683240253>The cutscene haplens before the war between Miquella and Radahn, when Radahn had already broken the vow over Miquella turning against the Erdtree, which is why he also says that he will make the world a gentler place. At that point Radahn had already broken the deal and Miquella's Haligtree was always a failure, whike you mistakenly attribute that cutscene to the vow being stipulated. We know the vow and Miquella choosing Radahn happened way before that, with Radahn primeThis is all headcanon, we have no idea when this cutscene takes place you fucking moron. Also why are you copypasting the JP text as if you actually speak japanese and didn't just run it through deepL or Google Translate?
>>683240253>The cutscene haplens before the war between Miquella and Radahn, when Radahn[headcanon]This is the problem
>>683240278>It's almost like Miquella is an antagonistWhy? Just because he mind controls people? I think someone who mind controls you into doing good things is probably a lot better than someone who doesn't mind control you but murders you instead for a blood sacrifice. Sure you got murdered horrifically, but at least you had you free will, right?
>>683240586Literal bug man mentality
>>683240586Both of those example are rooted in evil.
>>683223456Gael wasn't just a new character you facetious fuck, he was so new he wasn't even mentioned/didn't exist until the first DLC that nobody liked, and these DLC's weren't just some expansion on the lore/tying lose end but supposed to conclude a TRILOGY of games. I don't even really care about Radahn I just fucking hate Gael and everyone that overrates the shit out of him.
>>683239939>There's nothing saying what they fought over and that's the problem. No it's not, the DLC explains that>It doesn't even matter any more because like I said the story is retarded on a fundamental level It isn't, you just lack an understanding of it, while also being salty over your headcanon theories not fitting the game>Miquella was treated as a prodigy in base game who understood the hidden nature of the world and with more influence than anyone in the land besides Marika if you really knew where to look. All of his actions can be traced back to his sister, brother, or a greater cause. In the DLC he seems like a fucking retard who never cared about anyone who wasn't useful to him. Also has Radahn on his mind 24/7 after no hints of their relationship at all. Miquella understood everything. He understood the Two Fingers have been bullshitting anyone, and understood how to achieve Godhood. This is why he is the only Demigod that achieves direct Godhood, not as avatar of an Outer God like the other two Empyreans, but actual GodhoodYour criticism is unfounded and basically boils down to a mix of not understanding the story and being salty over the story going a different direction than you expected.>Radahn probably got it the worse. Again, you don't like it, so it must be bad to you. The game already states that breaking vow has its own consequences. Miquella's ruthless and desperate actions tie to the narrative of his Order being fpunded on violence and imposition, even if based on good intentions, which reaches the narrative peak with the battle against the DLC NPCs. It's a great story with strong thematics and Miquella's characterization is so great many find him morally grey or even right, but since the DLC wasn't some fan service wank with Godwynbart coming out of nowhere that's lame and bad to you.
>>683240656If it were the real world, yes I would agree Miquella is evil. But we're working on fantasy rules with the potentional for eldritch abominations to come in at any moment and fuck everything up and turn suffering and torture up to the maximum. A world mind controlled by one dude who only intends compassion and acceptance for the downtrodden is objectively the best solution for a world as fucked as that.
>>683241057Bug.Man.>become a lord not for Gods, but for MenIf you don't understand the impact of this you might as well cut off what remains of your micropenis right now and transition already
>>683222792Gael is everything wrong with Souls games
>>683231103nicely cut out this part>late Middle English (denoting a companion or colleague)are you forgetting the kind of oldeth englisheth they talketh?
I truly believe Miyazaki was more of an advisor for elden ring than a true director. He personally signed off on everything in dark souls 1, 3, bloodborne, and sekiro, and there's just no way he did the same with elden ring. This is 100% a trannymura project and a spiritual successor to DS2. That Fromfags pretend to love it because they were deceived into thinking Miyazaki was more involved than he was proves what worthless shiteating hypefags they are.
>>683241442No one really talks like that except Tranni.
not read through the thread but i was wondering, in the english translation radahn and mikella are referred to as consort and god but in the japanese radahn is referred to be the king of mikella約束の王、ラダーン (promised king, radahn)ミケラの王、ラダーン (radahn, the king of mikella)the context here is obviously that radahn will be appointed king with mikella ascending into godhoodso where does this consort thing come from? with royalty (as it's used in english) it's used to describe a kind of royalty that holds no power (their partner is the one that's in power, eg., king consort = the queen is the ruling power)
>>683240526>This is all headcanonNo it isn't. Miquella is already specifically stating his plan is to completely detatch himself from Marika's Order and to make the world "kind", so it must have happened way after Miquella abandoned the Golden Order and his father's teachingsI'm not reading beyond that, it's clear that you have zero understanding of the lore like anyone crying over the DLC>>683240578It's not an headcanon, even the base game prpves that, because Radahn is a notorious fanboy of the Golden Order with great respect for his Radagon lineage and for Godfrey, while Miquella betrayed the Order as he began to hate everything it represent. This is the perfect set up to hint what the DLC revealed. Like Radagon with Rennala before, Radahn broke the vow with Miquella to support the Golden Order. This set up the hostility and war between Malenia and Radahn, giving it a meaning/context.
>>683241206>become a lord not for Gods, but for MenYes, I remember him saying this and it's asinine. He's basically saying any of the six endings you pick is better than letting Miquella be lord and that's utter nonsense. You seriously think the Frenzied Flame ending is better than Miquella's age of compassion simply because it has free will and Miquella's doesn't?
>>683237705How long are you going to pretend that if Miquella wanted to force Radahn to do anything he wouldn't have just done it himself? You can't answer this basic question.>>683237810>The greater whole of information in the DLC tells us or implies that he was a 5d chess player that mind-raped everyone Literally nothing in the DLC says anything of the sort.
>>683233951https://youtu.be/r6SZa-Mj-5o?si=wccX2U-4DksYKaWq
>>683238449Malenia fighting Radahn had nothing to do with the vow. That was the excuse she used to start a giant pointless war. She probably didn't even ask him about it before invading. You being a dipshit who relies on redditors for lore interpretation doesn't make the story bad, it just makes you a moron.
>>683241635>No it isn't. Miquella is already specifically stating his plan is to completely detatch himself from Marika's Order and to make the world "kind", so it must have happened way after Miquella abandoned the Golden Order and his father's teachingsSure, the rest of that shit about it being after Radahn broke the vow or w/e is complete headcanon nonsense. Also it's one sentence you illiterate baboon, sorry that you don't have evidence to backup your schizo ramblings and that offends you. The way you people defend the DLC makes me feel like you'd slobber over the genius of Promised Consort Dung Eater, read a book or play a game with an actual story instead of being Miyazaki's honor guard
>>683241579Because the monarchy in Elden Ring is a matriarchy in which the queen holds all power and she just picks and gets rid of her King singlehandedly.
>>683241869There is nothing indicating she acted alone and in fact we have proof of the opposite from Radahn's new armor
>>683239939>Malenia never had any characterization.Yes she did. She's a vicious, competitive killer hiding behind a veil of nobility. And when push comes to shove, she's willing to abandon the later in favor of the former. >In the DLC he seems like a fucking retard who never cared about anyone who wasn't useful to himBased entirely on people ascribing things to him that he had literally nothing to do with.>repulsive meatpuppetPeople keep saying that shit, what the fuck do you even mean? He looks fine.
>>683241748Because he can't, he needs to touch people to mind control them, and he'd rather not have to resort to that to the guy he's in love with if possible. After Radahn rejects him he has a temper tantrum and sends the nuclear option to force him to submit. The three examples we have (Leda, Freyja, Ansbach) all made direct contact with Miquella to be charmed so it's not a hard assumption that the rest were touched by him at some point as well.
>>683233683How can the Tarnished speak to Morgott when Morgott literally jumped him on a bridge and fired the first shot?
>>683242079>There is nothing indicating she acted aloneOther than the fact that she literally did act alone, her and her brain fungus infested knights. All that we know now is what her excuse was to go murder Radahn. We know it wasn't even in Miquella's interests, let alone acceptable to his ideology.
>>683242079I'll save the other anon the effort, his argument is that that's just an excuse Malenia came up with because she was jealous because Miquella can do no wrong and it's just a coincidence that he praised her for her efforts or that his plan to ascend Radahn involves his death.
>>683242079Freyja's entire quest line also puts Miquella in Caelid during the aftermath of the rot nuke.
>>683241874>Sure, the rest of that shit about it being after Radahn broke the vow or w/e is complete headcanon nonsenseNo it isn't. Miquella is already referring to the vow, which shows it was made in the past. And that makes sense, as Miquella used to be pro-Golden Order in his youth, when the DLC also states he saw a King in Radahn due to his honor and strength.We also know what the vow is, it's a ritual between future God and Promised Consort.You calling it headcanon doesn't change that it is the official story, and shows you having no real argument on why it actually doesn't fit/make sense
>>683242241>wasn't even in Miquella's interestsIt was, why do you keep denying this? You are probably the only person in the entire million person fanbase to push this nonsense because anyone with two working braincells can immediately tell how fucking stupid it is
>>683241748>Literally nothing in the DLC says anything of the sort.Multiple things do.
>>683242242People defending the DLCs plot are just baiting at this point.
>>683241442Every other god consort in the entire game is explicitly romantic.
>>683242290You are repeating what you already said, you are so blinded by your own headcanon you can't tell nothing of what you said is actually supported by the game>We also know what the vow is, it's a ritual between future God and Promised Consort.No we don't. There's no point in arguing with you because you are confusing your creative writing course for what is said in the game itself
>>683242089>and he'd rather not have to resort to that to the guy he's in loveAh I see, it wouldn't be ethical to just beguile him, better to murder him and reincarnate him and then mind control the reborn version, that's so much easier and more humane. Also, we're not even told or suggested that Radahn rejected him, in fact at least one item description outright says the only one who ever did was the tarnished.
>>683233683Morgott specifically hunts all Tarnisged on sight
>>683241050>godwyn brainrotGet Miya's dick out of your mouth. The lore is a convoluted mess. Miquella's plan is contrived to all shit. Radahn doesn't add anything to Miquella story besides making it needlessly convoluted and weird. Radahn adds nothing to Miquella's story. Take him out and MIquella's story hits the exact same beats without being so out of left field and jarring. None of that shit hits home about Miquella because we only see him for 1 minute and all 3 of his lines are about Radahn. While the plot at its core is "Miquella needs power" there's a personal aspect to it all that is so unsettling it devalues the conflict by treating it as a one sided obsession and paints Radahn as a total victim who had his life ruined because he had the audacity to deny Miquella.Any potential nuance is lost as it's hard to see the Haligtree being anything but the villains in this scenario
>>683242241Miquella's ideology includes mind raping and necromancy while also using people and throwing them away right down to throwing away his own love and other half. There's nothing in his ideology that says a rot nuke is off limits. The fag even made a sword to permanently kill the undead instead of offering them his kindness.
>>683242242>>683242429Miquella's ascension didn't require Radahn. We know this because Marika attained divinity using the same gates Miquella is using and she did not have to perform some sort of reincarnation ceremony. Miquella reincarnated Radahn because he liked Radahn and thought him an appropriate elden lord.
>GODWYNGODWYNGODWYNWhy are Godfaggots so fucking delusional? The game beats your head over with the plot point that he's absolutely fucking dead, his corpse becoming a parasyte feeding off the Erdtree and creating deathroot, how the fuck are you gonna resurrect him? What's even there to rez?
>>683242506Can you not read? He wouldn't want to compel someone he genuinely wants to be his consort, but now that Radahn is against him it's not exactly easy to get close to a 30 foot tall flying demigod that can snipe him from 10 football fields away so it's time to do it by force. It seems that you're finally getting it, that Miquella's love is just a farce for his obsession. You don't think it's weird that he abandons his love yet is still obsessed with Radahn and dies embracing him?>Also, we're not even told or suggested that Radahn rejected him, in fact at least one item description outright says the only one who ever did was the tarnished.He doesn't say a single word and he doesn't even have his own body back, not to mention that Miquella's ideal world of compassion and love is at complete odds with Radahn's love for war and combat.
>>683242713There are two kinds of Godwynfags. People that understand the base game, and people that ignore the base game.The people that think that Miquella was all about Godwyn and that the DLC was supposed to be Godwyn are in the camp that completely ignore the base game.
Reminder that young Radahn isn't prime Radahn. Miquella specifically brings back the version that precedes Radahn's ascension to the starscourge, which was the prime Radahn.Just like all souls games we'll never actually fight anyone in their prime.
>>683242329Yeah, Miquella was really helped by Malenia destroying Radahn's body, forcing Miquella to wait for years just hoping someone would eventually be able to finish him off, and also just hope that he could find some way to bring him back to life with a normal body again. >>683242559Handing out benzos isn't mind rape, straight up reincarnating people isn't necromancy, and Malenia wasn't "thrown away", she was the one who threw away the aid that Miquella gave her. >The fag even made a sword to permanently kill the undead instead of offering them his kindness.Those who live in death are not sentient. You may as well offer kindness to a bacterial plague.
>>683242559You forgot to mention (as that anon conveniently ignores) that his charm makes you forget your purpose in life in service of him. His notBand of the Hawk immediately dissipates after the charm breaks to do their own shit, they come together again because they think he can fix their problems which they couldn't do on their own, but the complete erasure of their purpose is a massive red flag.
>>683243057>Those who live in death are not sentient. You may as well offer kindness to a bacterial plague.lmao you're such a fucking lorelet
>>683242885>>683242934The story at it's core is fundamentally shit. Out of all the interesting plot threads Miquella had, they chose the most inane one with no build up
>>683243057He thanks her for her deeds and says she'll be remembered as a hero, you're arguing against your idol himself at this point. And yes, Miquella is a psycho who doesn't care about the means as long as the results work out in his favor.
>>683243239No shit. Miquella should've never been used in the first place. He has zero relevance to anything in the land of shadow. He has next to zero relevance in the base game. Even his cut content from the base game was so barren it's no wonder they cut it all.The problem will always be Miquella is a worthless and empty character.
>>683242489>You are repeating what you already saidNo I'm not, I'm just pointing out base game lore>No we don'tYes we do, the base game itself already states what a "vow", but you don't know that
>>683242713Irrelevant.
>>683243497You're a delusional little faggot, it's like trying to have an argument with my local crack fiend
>>683200104should be that if you get your heart stolen next fight miquella is riding on you instead of radahn
>>683242885So your argument is that Miquella's plans got held up for an entire era because he couldn't think of a more intelligent way to get physically near Radahn, and not that Malenia disregarded the purpose of violence in favor of doing whatever it took to achieve victory, even though the first explanation is completely out of character and the latter is literally the point of said character? >You don't think it's weird that he abandons his love yet is still obsessed with Radahn and dies embracing him?Obviously Miquella sees Radahn as emblematic of the future he wants to create, more so than a personal interest. Is that worth criticizing? Arguably, but it's not evidence that Radahn spurned the role, especially when we are explicitly told otherwise. >He doesn't say a single word Neither does Rellana. From being lazy (or more likely there being late rewrites) is not a lore argument. But finally, if Radahn DIDN'T want to be Miquella's elden lord... why the fuck did he attack us? The Tarnished is canonically there to kill Miquella, and Radahn, standing by himself, stands in defiance of our attempts, and doesn't look surprised or apprehensive, let alone coerced, when Miquella completes his apotheosis and shows up to help Radahn in the fight.
>>683243249Faggots like you ignore the issue. We have to do several back flips in our heads for the story leading up to the DLC to make sense. Then we have to completely rely on headcanon for half of the story the DLC actually gives us to make sense. The plot is just fucking dumb.
>>683243213I'm right. The patron god of those who live in death is literally a person who had his mind and soul destroyed but continued to live. They aren't alive in any way that actually matters. Fia is actually insane.
>>683242713>foreshadow Godwyn's visual imagery>foreshadow the character he has the closest lore relationship to>don't put Godwyn inImagine a Dark Souls DLC called "Artorias of the Abyss" and it's about flame god Flann, literally fucking WHO
>>683242546>The lore is a convoluted mess. nope>Miquella's plan is contrived to all shit.it isn't, it's quite straightforward >Radahn doesn't add anything to Miquella storyIt does, and Miquella adds to him by giving Radahn better defined motives and explicitly stating his allegiance for the Old Order>Take him out and MIquella's story hits the exact same beats without being so out of left field and jarring.No it doesn't, because the Battle of Aeonia and Miquella's violence wouldn't be there.>None of that shit hits home about Miquella because we only see him for 1 minute and all 3 of his lines are about RadahnMiquella has more than ample characterization and backstory in both DLC and base game>Get Miya's dick out of your mouth.Get a fucking grip, faggot. Just admit you are mad the story didn't go where you wanted/predicted it to go, like it happens for the majority of players for every Miyazaki DLC.
>>683243878>>foreshadow Godwyn's visual imagery>headcanon>>foreshadow the character he has the closest lore relationship to>headcanon>>don't put Godwyn inBecause he's GONE.
>>683243610play the fucking game dude
>>683243485It's almost as if, he had his own DLC planned before being scrapped. His curse being eternal nascency makes sense the more you think about it(lol not really). Nothing related to him ever gets finished
>>683241928and what does that have to do with mikella becoming god and appointing radahn as the ruler of the lands between?
>>683243882>It does, and Miquella adds to him by giving Radahn better defined motives and explicitly stating his allegiance for the Old OrderRadahn's motivation was to win The Shattering and continue to keep the stars at bayThis was completely adequate as far as characterisation goes and nobody ever said otherwise. Nobody asked for Radahn's secret gay backstory (made up after the fact).When people say fanfiction-tier it's not just an idle insult, it's describing the absurd nature of any of this writing and recontextualising obviously closed loops in service of insane retcons.
>>683244110They're gonna fuggg
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>>683244181>Radahn's motivation was to [HEADCANON]LOL>But my headcanon fits my headcano kdea of a character
>>683243694Yes, the plot is very, very stupid with more holes than swiss cheese but that is the most logical explanation as much as you shit your pants about it>even though the first explanation is completely out of character and the latter is literally the point of said character?No, this is just your own bias for Miquella clinging to your own headcanons and your personal hateboner for Malenia ignoring her actual characterization (exceedingly loyal to Miquella and does everything he tells her to do). Even the biggest Radahnfag who hates Malenia for what she did would think you're talking out of your ass. Still ignoring that Miquella thanks her I see>Obviously Miquella sees Radahn as emblematic of the future he wants to create, more so than a personal interest. Is that worth criticizing? Arguably, but it's not evidence that Radahn spurned the role, especially when we are explicitly told otherwise.We are not explicitly told otherwise, there was one who would not be embraced because Radahn was eventually embraced (by force).>But finally, if Radahn DIDN'T want to be Miquella's elden lord... why the fuck did he attack us? The Tarnished is canonically there to kill Miquella, and Radahn, standing by himself, stands in defiance of our attempts, and doesn't look surprised or apprehensive, let alone coerced, when Miquella completes his apotheosis and shows up to help Radahn in the fight.Because he's Miquella's flesh mecha at this point. Can you stop posting? You're really stupid and it's hurting my head. I don't know why you keep trying, since you are the only person to ever push this theory you must be at bottom 1% of human intelligence. Stop, go outside and stop being gay for femboys.
>>683243981Irrelevant.
>>683244351Do you even know what The Shattering was?Do you even know what Ranni said about Radahn?Did you pay attention to anything?
>>683197508>>683197498>>683197552>>683198653Traps aren't gay
>>683244181>Radahn's motivation was to win The Shattering The fuck does that mean? >and continue to keep the stars at bay Which is really a metaphor for opposing change and anything subverting the Golden Order, which actually ties to his conflict with Miquella
>>683200013Leda my cutewife
>>683244353>Yes, the plot is very, very stupid with more holes than swiss cheeseIt isn't
>>683243882>nopeyes>it isn't, it's quite straightforward It's quite retarded actually>It does, and Miquella adds to him by giving Radahn better defined motives and explicitly stating his allegiance for the Old OrderNo it doesn't>No it doesn't, because the Battle of Aeonia and Miquella's violence wouldn't be there.Take him out of the DLC and the story remains the same>Miquella has more than ample characterization and backstory in both DLC and base gameNuh uh>Get a fucking grip, faggot. Just admit you are mad the story didn't go where you wanted/predicted it to go, like it happens for the majority of players for every Miyazaki DLC.So headcanon is bad even when the story is objectively left up to interpretation?You see how easy it is to argue like you? You say nothing of substance while treating everything you say as fact. You literally type like a fucking woman. Where there's smoke there's fire. If this many people are still saying it's shit after a month of lore hunting then clearly something is wrong
>>683244362Yeah just like your mum's uterus after I was done with it.
>>683244697discount saberscratch that, retail-store saber clone. there are already discount saber clones in fate itself, this is like a bootleg knockoff made in some former soviet block country
>>683244228the japanese text says otherwise
>>683244751The amount of headcanon needed to have the plot make any sort of sense and how divisive it is to even the normally slop consuming ER fanbase says that at the very least it was presented extremely poorly. People who defend the DLC are literally below even most onions chugging slop consuming redditor in intelligence, are you not embarassed?
>>683244918post it
>>683244989already did
>>683244606>The fuck does that mean?I don't know, probably to win the big fucking war. The literal premise of the entire story of Elden Ring, the literal centrepiece event of the first story trailer. Just a tiny little lore detail, the one with an expensive CGI trailer that Malenia is in. No biggie.>>683244606>Which is really a metaphor for opposing change and anything subverting the Golden OrderNo, he's literally trying to stop more aliens coming from space. No more retarded Greater Will babies or other assholes from the void. The carians read fate in the stars but that doesn't mean it actually affected anything, merely that certain characters had motivations related to celestial events (The Eclipse being one, Radahn's moon shit being the other), only for Radahn to interfere with those.Radahn isn't holding back other outer gods, just the space assholes.
>>683244947The Miquella shit is bad but the rest is good. Marika's backstory was well done, and Shaman Village was a kino moment
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>>683244889
>>683245137>I don't know, probably to win the big fucking war.>The literal premise of the entire story of Elden Ring, the literal centrepiece event of the first story trailer.Lol neither Radahn nor Malenia cared about the Great Runes. Radahn tried to seize the throne for Morgott, Malenia tried to seize Radahn for his brother. Your headcano bullshit can be disproven by tracing the actions of each Demigod. Their agenda is not up to debate.>No, he's literally trying to stop more aliens coming from space. No more retarded Greater Will babies or other assholes from the void. The carians read fate in the stars but that doesn't mean it actually affected anythingHeadcanon again. Radahn went to Sellia SPECIFICALLY to learn gravity sorcery to halt the Stars, it has nothing to do with aliens or saving Sellia. He did it for fame and reknown especially in anticipatipn to becoming Elden Lord
>>683246046>for*from
>>683198883only if the gayness meant being attracted to manly men, getting pandered to and not having to deal with women sounds fun but id hate to have to deal with flamboyant men just as much as women.
>>683233683>I will never allow a tarnished to enter the erdtree as my mother wants but I'm still serving her will somehow>instead I will keep everything just as it is right now, a doomed land filled with horrible zombies>everythingisfine.jpgANY ending is better than the lands between staying as they are forever, even dung eaters ending has life continuing in some manner even if it is going to have suffering as well.
>>683246492>>I will never allow a tarnished to enter the erdtree as my mother wants but I'm still serving her will somehowThe point was that he wanted to become Elden Lord himself, but he couldn't because of Radagon's fuckery.
>>683197454>didn't use the item the game gives you to break the curseskill issue + your gay
>>683246046Anon's problem is that Radahn and Malenia's motivations were better left vague then the nonsensical shit we got in the DLC and he literally only learned gravity magic to keep riding his horse"The Red Lion General wielded gravitational powers which he learned in Sellia during his younger days.All so he would never have to abandon his beloved but scrawny steed."Play the fucking game
The "spiral" shape that they say will one day reach to the gods is probably a Birkeland current type event. The finger ruins are not impact craters they are remnants of electric discharge produced BY Birkeland current. You can see the round bolas around that happen when welding with plasma.
>>683247037They are 100% impact crates. Read Stars of Ruin.
>>683247037bro wat
>>683247161>hey are 100% impact crates.nope what crater leaves that type of scar?
>>683239604Then it still makes you gay, dummy.
>>683247161says nothing of the sort
>>683198543ntr
>>683247330One that causes fingers to sprout out of the ground. Post a crater causes by this phenomenon though, it sounds cool.
melania nuked because she couldn't stand losing
>>683247037retard.
>>683247037too advanced to have been concocted by japanese devs (and george martin too)
>>683247037Guess you haven't played elden ring lol.
>>683247523>Post a crater causes by this phenomenon though, it sounds cool.Yeah about that one ... a strike of those proportions would leave continent size scars on earth. Some say grand canyon is one of the scars and also Romanian spiral mountains.You can also watch this if you want your mind blownhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRV1e5_tB6Y
>>683247808>posts google earth screenshotoh no, a flat earther
>>683247243bro it's basically a print (not stylized like in game)
>>683200013LOVINGLEDALOTS
>>683247037Didn't know about these. It's really cool. Though question is would Miyazaki know about it to include it
>>683248476she looks like she takes needle cock
>>683249543That's why she's my wife
>>683249596you have a nice cock dudepeople might try to get you down on account of your cock but dont let them
>>683197498lol
>>683197454Truly a fate worse than death.
>>683251937NOOOOOO NOT THE CUTE FEMBOY TONGUE KISSING ME EVERY NIGHT WHILE WE RUB OUR COCKS TOGETHER AHHHHHHHH
>>683201287>>Miquella sought to accept all that was and would beWhy does it say this when he threw away Mohg's soul?
>>683223041>, Miquella's comrade is the Soulless Demigod near Castle Sol.Which demigod do you think the Eclipse Shotel refers to, retard?
>>683231103So, nothing sexual
>>683243882>it isn't, it's quite straightforwardNo plan that involves brainwashing somebody to kidnap you--without telling your subordinates--so you can use him as a gateway and then waiting for somebody to kill him so you can use his corpse can be called straightforwardOf course it's to be expected when the planned kidnapping thing is undeniably a retcon since the kidnapping was in the original version of the game where Miquella didn't go to the shadow realm and his body could be restored to the Haligtree, earning Malenia's friendship.
>>683249816based
>>683252461Mohg's black so its fine.
>>683252461How did he even do that? Is moghs soul in the erd tree? Does your character kill moghs body? What if you don't have destined death yet? Wouldn't moghs body be undying like godwyns?
>>683241442nicely missed the "verb" part, muttie
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>>683255409We kill mogh. DD doesn't matter, no his body isn't unkillable.Have you played elden ring?
>>683231619If the Eclipse keeps Destined Death/the Rune of Death at bay, and Godwyn's soul was killed with the Rune of Death, wouldn't it bring back Godwyn's soul?
>>683257103It doesn't, the rune of death is sealed in Maliketh's jewelry. Have you played elden ring?
>>683257284Yes, the Rune of Death, the Rune of Death used to kill Godwyn, that Rune of Death? The Rune of Death guarded by Maliketh, who bemoans the thieving of Destined Death. Destined Death, kept at bay by the Eclipse which strips souls from the Erdtree's lips?So Miquella uses (tries) the Eclipse to undo Destined Death caused by the Rune of Death and restore Godwyn's breath (or grant him True Death) which might be equivalent anyways due to resurrection shenanigans.
>>683258546Wait, you haven't played elden ring?
>>683258546
The Eclipse was meant to be used to bring back Godwyn's soul and Radahn was preventing the Eclipse. It doesn't fuck with Fia's questline because that involves Godwyn's body. The DLC is about resurrection and would've made a far more cohesive narrative with Godwyn and the Eclipse than Radahn ever could. On top of Miquella's already pre-existing relationship with Godwyn, you literally don't have to change anything about your understanding of base game lore as oppose to Radahn who's inclusion makes the order of events a convoluted mess.
>>683258897lol
>>683197498That's my attack.
>>683253291>original version of the game where Miquella didn't go to the shadow realm and his body could be restored to the Haligtree, earning Malenia's friendshipwas this from data found in the game?>>683258897It would have been cool as a twist that the resurrection ultimately failed to restore Godwyn's soul but animated the body so you had a literal zombie demigod to fight, there's so many interesting things they could have done if the DLC was focused on Godwyn. Or just about anyone else, imo.
>>683260015Nah she's shitposting for attention.
Miquella is a bitch
>>683260330lol
>>683233402>I started ER (reforged modyou did not beat the game
>>683197454skill issue
>>683262685lmao
>>683197498>now
>>683224492Which brings up even more stuff. How controlling was Radagon?
