How was this bitch more powerful than Marika/Radagon when she’s not even a true demigod? The lore would also have me assume Azur and Lusat are above even that? What?
>>683471092Have you seen that giant laser beam wizards get to cast? Demigod? Pffffffffft
>>683471092Her sister is apparently slightly more powerful.
>>683471092How is the Tarnished more powerful than everyone
knowledge is power
>>683471092> Not getting Radagon dick anymore gave her withdrawal symptoms and mega depression so bad she became mindbroken and fell from one of the strongest lore characters to one of the weakest.Woman moment.
>>683471092Would Renalla be able to convince her twinsister to do a threesome with Radagon if it could save their marriage?
>>683471092She lost to dick withdrawal
>>683471464Well, the excuse that everyone was broken and battered by the time the Tarnished got there was an excuse, but with the DLC, RadahnMickey is arguably at the top of their game.
She wasn't. Radagon made a truce in bad faith to learn sorcery
elden beast is a star, all the power of the erdtree / elden ring comes from a starrellana and other mages channel power from stars.
>>683471092Who would win>Queen INTfag smart enough to avoid going crazy studying the stars with a super cute daughteror>"""Gods""" worshipping and working for an alien parasite that never cared about them for a moment, with the real cosmic force Roadside Picnicing the planet and leaving the moment it touched down
>>683471092Her sister wanted to fuck her nephew. Her son was going to fuck his half-brother. The whole family is fucked uip.
>>683471092Elden Ring is a cosmic horror settingWith insight into the cosmos/truth comes horrifying physical changes and also going some kind of insane. Thats why Azur and Lusat are both powerful and already dead.Rennala's instability also likely stems from her learning the baby making magic she uses.
>>683471909Normal rules don't apply to demigods. Just look at the Greek pantheon.Hell, breeding with their lessers would have probably fucked the bloodline up worse than fucking each other.
>>683471909Her sister also sided with literal genocide.
>>683471464He really, really, really wants to be elden lord
>>683471464My personal headcanon is that Tarnished is a child of Hoarah Loux.
>>683471092Godfrey was also just a dude if I'm not mistaken. An angry buff dude, but a dude nonetheless.
>>683471308No she’s not. They found the Twin Moons together. The spell is just named after Rellana. Stat requirements aren’t really a good gauge on power either.
>>683471464You have a Maiden that turns Runes into strength, an OP Godkilling weapon made by the best blacksmith in the land and infinite tries
>>683471464You get infinite retries.
>>683471464Because I am a man with a hammer.
>>683472438>Hero backgroundGoddamn right I am.
>>683471092They drew on power from the stars directlyThe Golden Order needed to route everything through faith to MarikaRenalla was such a badass that Radagon had to literally had to bust out Celestial Dew, which forces everyone to stop hating you. He had to resort to mind control to stop the war. (Miriel got it wrong that Radagons show started the miracle, the Nox statue in the church and Larval Tears found in Nokstella indicate they set that up a long time ago)Radagon lost twice in war, so he seduced Renalla to destroy Glintstone sorcery from within. He forced all the guards around them to keep quiet by literally sewing shut their mouths, did something with the Ressurection Rune he brought along for some reason, and left it with Renalla as a keepsake as he left her mindbroken. The decline of the Carian Royal Family is mentioned in many items and of course its confirmed that Sorcery has gotten weaker since the marriage>>During the age of the Erdtree, Carian astrology withered on the vine. The fate once writ in the night skies had been fettered by the Golden Order.Radagon laid the best honeypot trap in the Lands Between.
>>683471464Same as in every other Souls game
>>683471898
>>683473464For me I’m a warrior that Hourah Loux killed in the badlands in a battle, and I’m seeking him out to challenge him again.
>>683471092THE GAME HAS NO COHERENT LORE OR STORY OR PLOT OR ANYTHING IT WAS JUST RANDOM NOTES AND OLD DARK SOULS SHIT LYING AROUND THAT THEY BOLTED ONTO AN EMPTY WORLD GAME
>>683471092Even Marika knew no one can beat the cock though.
>>683473914
>>683471535It's a fucking ntr plotline in the game, which I hate. Just noone really notices or thinks about it because it happens to a woman instead of a man. She even stays broken and never moves on or recovers decades later. Though at least you get to kill radagon/marika later, and considering the egg reincarnation remakes you and her copies look just like kid versions of her, you're probably technically related to her, so in a roundabout sort of way her kid avenged her against marika. Still trash plotline.
>>683471792This. It's the Sun.
>>683471464These games follow cultivation logic. It’s why the RUNE bears are so big and so strong. Given the tools and access, even a Tarnished can match the very gods.
>>683473847>He forced all the guards around them to keep quiet by literally sewing shut their mouthsNot literally. Only the masks. It’s symbolic of their loyalty to him, the Order, and not Caria. He was interested in sorcery, so he created his own loyalties within their rank and file.
>>683471464Because of the power of gid and gud
>>683474675>the kids are her copies
>>683471092She and her sisters may have been freakish magical prodigies "blessed" by the moon, not sure. Azur and Lusat are so ancient they returned to stone, and beyond.
>>683475458Where on earth did you get that idea? The loyalty of the Carian Perceptors was still with the Carians. There aren't any Carians who went to go help Radagon when he left, they're all still aiding or defending Carian Assets not Golden Order ones.The mask thing is just because, being privy to the privacies of life in the Carian court they would have been aware that Radagon is Marika.
What is achieved by posting the same thread?
>>683471535I wish there was a quest where you romance and her get some sorcererpuss
>>683477052Are you not pissed off that the sorcerers get so many retardedpowerful characters?
>>683474675Church of the cuckoo
>>683477240No. Sorcery is cool
>>683477240I don't care about Souls lore at all. It's all shit and Zanzibart tier.
>>683474675>her copies look just like kid versions of herwait what
>>683477240Why would I be?
>>683471092She had an army of warfarin magicians, with even fodder pulling way above their weight.
>>683477494do they have a booru tag?
>Marika gets dissociative Identity disorder because she had to intimately break someones heart to conquer themHmmm. Seems like the theme is losing your humanity in searching for your goals.
>>683471092Comet azur from the filthy fucking tarnished retard you play as can and will absolutely rape anything that won't move away from it, just ask Mohg.
I killed Rellana on my first try spamming Comet
>>683471464The tarnished is a murderhobo in a world where killing makes you directly stronger.
>>683471092She's a jobber and the easiest remembrance boss, I beat her ass no-hit Her sister was tough but she took me 3 tries, I struggled with Mesmer more
>>683471092I like her characterization in the gag manga. Overworked mom too busy taking care of the juvenile scholars/embittered hag with a touch of the egg induced schizo
>>683473847rizzadon of the swag order
>>683471780which he never used after he ditched her
>>683474675> her copies look just like kid versions of herWait a second what the fuck
>>683471092Gods and demigods just have a connection with the Elden Ring or an Outer God that make them more powerful. I think the mages derive their power from the stars which are arguably more powerful than any of the gods.
>>683474675Yeah but the rune of rebirth would circumvent that, right? Maybe? Are you technically her child if the amber egg babies use her dna which makes ranni your sister and therefor incest?
>>683471464The lone Tarnished is canonically blessed by Marika, Torrent and the Gloam Eyed Queen. You also got the Moon or the Frenzied Flame on your side if you pick of of those those endings.
>>683471464he rpgmaxed. travelled the lands between and fought everything and collected every single item, a shit ton of runes, upgraded his weapons to max level and created a broken build
>>683472438>>683471464In my opinion the tarnished is a bastard child from one of the demigods since your guy is a lot like Hercules. And depending on your build is based who he's related to like if you have a blood build you're Mogh's lost son or if you're a faith build you're a happy little accident that Godfrey created in some woman after a drunk night out.
>>683481061>I travelled the lands between and fought everything and collected every single item, a shit ton of runes, upgraded my weapons to max level and created a broken buildnice isekai title
>INT pussies crave FTH cock
>>683481810Radagon uses a INT/FTH build though
>>683481974Radagon is tapping into Marika's power during that fight. Not once does he use Rings of Radagon or any Miquella derived incantation.Golden Spears are most likely Marika's signature move.
That's not weird at all OP. Multiple demigods have been defeated.Okina canonically defeated Mohg and Mohg made a deal with Okina to avoid getting killed. In fact, the entire Land of Reeds lore is filled with nothing but lunatics who became sword saints, demons, and dragons.
So why can the tarnished die and come back but when ever you kill another supposed tarnish they stay dead
>>683482848If you consider the fact that the minor erdtree spell specifically says that it's gold without order, chances are Radagon is order while Marika is gold. It'd also make sense that Marika's line with Godfrey is the golden line.>>683483357Tarnished has grace. All the others either can't see grace, or lost it.
>>683471464The tarnished is a murder hobo with infinite lives.
>>683475668Where is the original pic from?
>>683471464He isn't. dude just tires them out after dying millions of times.
>>683471720I would argue that Consort Radahn isn't top of his game. Radahn's weapon and armor make it clear that this is pre-starscourge Radahn, and his whole gravity capture of the stars and fate is the pinnacle of his strength. His weapons even lack the gravity crest when he's the Consort/Lord.Miquella specifically brought back the version from before Radahn did all his big exploits.
>>683471464Tarnished cannot die and stay dead. As long as he has a will to succeed, he'll push through as many deaths to win.
>>683483935I beat Consort Radahn first try on Ng+2 though, making my Tarnished objectively the most powerful in existence.
>>683471092titles like demigod and god are nothing more than titles people give other people, basically anyone can be bestowed with eldritch power from some abomination sent by the Greater Will, the moon being one of them.
>>683484245Demigod is literally just Marika's lineage. It has nothing to do with eldritch outer gods. That's why Legend slain is more important than Demigod slain.
>>683484338He's right though, even the "outer god" definition is just a title for entities of great power that aren't part of the Golden Order.
>>683484245retard
Something something the unstoppable will of humankind.
>>683473239>>683473364>>683483543>>683483935The tarnished canonically beats some bosses first try, there is no reincarnating if Maliketh gets you
>>683484123>>683471464Why are none of the bosses tarnished?
>>683484629Gideon and Godfrey are
>>683484710But they permadie when we kill them, because?
>>683484538Go ahead, flex your intellect for us
>>683484751You have the rune of death, that's why every demigod feared Maliketh.
>>683484809According to your logic, people would call Midras a god or a demigod because he was blessed by the flame of frenzy. You have to be an empyrean to rise to godhood thanks to the gates of divinity. You're a moron.
>>683484598Even with the whole death and revival with the erdtree thing, the player dying is really barely if not really canonical they play super fast and loose with it but then try to make it relevent with some specific eventsnlole st trina which doesnt even make sense. I can only say that the tarnished does not actually die with each nectar or even die at the start when you get flushed down fromnthe church at the very beginning.
>>683471092They're basically the Starks/Mary sues of the setting
>>683471464The two fingers wills it. Runes are the power of gold, the essence of divinity from the greater will. When you increase your rune level you're becoming a divine being and your weapons become legendary godslaying weapons when tempered by hewg
>>683484629>>683483357>but when ever you kill another supposed tarnish they stay dead>Why are none of the bosses tarnished?Some of the mini-bosses are Tarnished. I think 'most' invaders are Tarnished (or supposed to be) and Vyke (sealed inside the Evergoal) is a Tarnished. To better answer your question: I think the canon plotline is that most of the other Tarnished have gotten distracted, become dejected, or have fucked off to do their own thing and have no intention of becoming Elden Lord - I vaguely remember several npc's admiring, or mocking, your determination on the matter.Hoarah Loux is technically Tarnished, if albeit the first one.
>>683484887You don't need the gates of divinity to have some eldritch alien pick you and channel it's power through you, that's what happens in the Lord of Frenzied Flame ending.
>>683471092fuckin' tiny ass pin head lmaoooo
>>683484338Outer God's are just Kami (forces of nature) that are excluded from the Golden Order.
>>683484887Midras doesn't become a God but it's a Lord to the Frenzied Flame, equivalent to an Elden Lord. The Tarnished also gets this title in the Frenzied Flame ending. Malenia becomes a Goddess of Rot without the Gate of Divinity and without a consort. And if she became the host of the Elden Ring she probably wouldn't have needed the gate either.The Fell God and the Dragon God were also Gods before the hornsent made the Gate of Divinity. There was probably a Serpent God at some point.
>>683472438Wouldn't that make you part of the golden lineage
>>683471092Why does everyone in Elden Ring have a tiny ass head
>>683481810>>683481974>Radagon is STR/INT/FTH (he's God he can triple dip)>Messmer is DEX/FTHhmmm
>>683488281He's cursed and has red hair, him being Radagon's kid is a no brainer
>>683488404I was saying more that Renalla lusts after Radagon and Rellana lusts after Messmer and they're both Faith builds. They're both redheads too though so maybe Carians just crave gingers
>>683487747The Rot God can probably make other rot gods because it's a life entity. The gate of divinity is composed of thousands of corpses, created by a culture that worships the Crucible.
>>683488462It's the FTH swagger
>>683471092She wasn't. Raya Lucaria was a vassal to the Golden Order. Marika's words on the huge elevator has her threaten the mages that they have to accept vassaldom and the political marriage or they will be destroyed. When Golden Order imploded, Lucaria stayed out of their war, they fought a tiny civil war of their own instead.
>>683471535>to one of the weakestIs she? You can't even kill her.
>>683488675My guess is that the point of a consort is reproduction. But Malenia can reproduce asexually and Frenzied Flame reproduces like a virus. That doesn't really explain what Miquella was doing tho. The Gate of Divinity was probably made to channel the power of the crucible to create a new God, and Marika used it to contact the Elden Beast and become a God herself.
>>683471464warrior blood ruins into thy veins
>>683471092They had Carian knights and Lucarian sorcs at the height of their strength>stronger than giants>stronger than dragonspresumably the Golden Order was already weakened from losing GodfreyAlso the Rennala you fought in p1 only cared about her egg and p2 was Ranni's image protecting her mother
>>683471128C O M E T A Z U R A!!!!!!
>How was this bitch more powerful than Marika/Radagon when she’s not even a true demigod?Souls game + magic + infinite FP / stamina/thread
>>683489587don't forget>academy-sized terra magicathey probably carpet bombed anyone trying to come close
>>683489490Miquella had Marika's divine blood and was an empyrean so he probably could have inherited the Ring, but he shed his flesh entirely so he could ascend to a god on his own terms free of relation to Marika.There is a possibility that Marika was never an empyrean and acquired the ring by force by becoming a goddess the divine gate way.
>>683474675You ntr placidusax after slipping his priestess with some date rape drugs
It says nowhere that they were stronger She and her army were strong enough to successfully hold off Radagon for quite a long while and be a complete pain in the arse to conquer, while at the same time also not having anything that made then inherently incompatible with the golden order or having done something that pissed off Marika royallymaking a peace treaty was just the practical solution, golden order probably could have grinded out a win, but what would have been the point of that?
>>683471092Radagon was likely split off from Marika at the time and far weaker. Godfrey and the Crucible Knights seemingly didn't participate in the Liurnian Wars either. Those conflicts appeared to be a way to do test runs for what Radagon could amount to beyond incest cloning. Heck, Marika might have been trying to get Radagon killed after sufficiently separating him from her.
>>683489769>they just had to cast that shit from higher groundKEK
>>683490174I doubt they ever "separated"
Miyazaki says Trans Rights!
>>683490870Not if I can do anything about it
>>683490870That's a man
>>683491041It's Ma'am
>>683489790I think it says somewhere that Marika was an empyrean. My theory is that Marika was prophetised to become a God, and that's maybe what the term really means.
>>683473847I genuinely and 100% subscribe to the "Radagon was a manchurian agent" theoryOn top of what you've said, there's the fact the academy banned Lusat and Azur, likely again Radagon's doing, and banned the study of the primeval current which was a factor in Sellen getting kicked out as well (even though she was doing graven shit with others)That's 3 out of 4 of the people we see paintings for kicked out of the academy that was responsible for developing the magic that resisted the Erdtree army. And then the fourth was wrapped around his finger and mind broken when he left. And all this during the time a guy hyper loyal to the GO was there. And we're suppose to believe he had nothing to do with it.
>>683488883The union was far more equal at first and only became vassalization in all but name after Radagon was done weakening Liurnia from within. And the implosion was precisely because of the erosion of Carian royal authority caused by Radagon's actions and effects on Rennala. Even had the Shattering not happened, Liurnia had been conquered. Honestly of all the lore, if you think about it in those terms, this is most GRRM shit I can think of.
>>683491229It's clearly something tied with fate, particularly fate written by the fingers considering the lengths Ranni went
>>683488675>The gate of divinity is composed of thousands of corpsesnow that you mention it, maybe the merchant mausoleum is an accidental gate of divinity
>>683491581>The union was far more equal at firstNothing in the lore indicates that, Marika's threats happened before the marriage and at that point it was a massive empire vs one country, they fought back with Rennala as their mascot but the outcome was inevitable. Only reason they weren't crushed like all other opposition was because of Radagon/Marika's curiosity on Glintstone magic. After the marriage the relationship between the kingdom and the empire were more cordial and friendly, but not before that. The entire DLC area and places like Castle Mourne show what happened to all the other factions that tried to fight back at Golden Order, no mercy was given, genocides left and right.
>>683492267Everything we know of the conflict shows Raya was matching Leydell. Home field advantage, the glintstone sorcery and the Carian knights.
>>683488990Because she is being protected by Ranni
>>683492556>Everything we know of the conflict shows Raya was matching Leydell.No it doesn't, they fought one major battle and thats about it. At that point Godfrey had already gone through his conquest of the entire rest of Lands Between and killing all the giants. Then you add in Messmer's crusade and Marika banishing an entire fucking continent to Yu-Gi-Oh realm. Even when Golden Order was in civil war, Lucaria just let Malenia march through their lands with no opposition whatsoever. Lucaria would've lost in long term. Of course by the time the marriage was done, Rennala gave birth to a new candidate to replace Marika with, so Greater Will no longer had interest of purging Hogwarts.
>>683492917>one major battleYou do know that the battle monuments don't represent literally every battle of a given war right? Just the major ones. If the Erdtree could take Liurnia they'd have done it, but they couldn't. Liurnia is the one exception to them just conquering everything. The Carian knight sword says they were superior to the Leydell forces despite numbering only 20 (though that's likely speaking specifically to the elite knights, not every single mook in the army). Even in a civil war the diminished Carians held back the other side from fully taking Caria manor, and the Cuckoo knights still can't properly take the Academy.
>>683492267The Golden Order was low in INT before Radagon married Renalla they would be outmatched easily.
>>683474675There's also thiolier
>>683492917Mesmer crusade was done with the help of Liurnia.
>>683471464the tarnished is blessed by the ability to become intangible briefly when rolling
>>683493292>If the Erdtree could take Liurnia they'd have done it,And they would have, had Radagon/Marika not shown interest in studying their magic. Again, Marika wasn't being cordial in her demands, she threatened Lucaria to accept the marriage deal or be destroyed. If Lucaria was strong enough to oppose an entire Empire that had conquered everything else, they wouldn't have accepted the marriage. Usually Golden Order just made an example of any kingdom directly opposing them, Lucaria was the only exception because they had something valuable that a war could've ruined.>Even in a civil war the diminished Carians held back the other side from fully taking Caria manor, and the Cuckoo knights still can't properly take the Academy.Cuckoo knights are the soldiers of the Academy, you got it mixed. Academy Cuckoo Knights vs. Royal Lucaria (Rennala's and Radagons bloodline). The Academy is NOT protecting Rennala, they're holding her in house arrest. Academy/Cuckoo are the faction in Raya Lucaria who see how Golden Order has been weakened in its civil war and decided to take their kingdom back, which also means defeating the faction that has ties to Golden Order.
>>683493645Marika has a pattern of being a slut tho and getting her way through sluttery more so than force. She was the one who resorted to seduction.
>>683493526>Meanwhile, in America...
>>683471092This picrel is not really flattering, she looks fat.
>>683493716Girl isn't fat, it must take place in France, England or Germany.
>>683471464They soak up runes a like a sponge
>>683471092I bet she has big ass titties under there.
>>683493645>she threatened Lucaria to accept the marriage deal or be destroyedSource?
>>683493503Which still means Lucaria was facing the dragons of Godwyn and lesser Godfrey's family, Messmers army, Radagon's army and Malekith. All battle-hardened after wars for the rest of the Lands Between, genocide of giants and killing their god.
>>683493645>Usually Golden Order just made an example of any kingdom directly opposing them, Lucaria was the only exception because they had something valuable that a war could've ruined.No, Liurnia was the exception because they couldn't conquer them. Again, several lore bits indicate they couldn'.>Cuckoo knights are the soldiers of the Academy, you got it mixed. Academy Cuckoo Knights vs. Royal Lucaria (Rennala's and Radagons bloodline). The Academy is NOT protecting Rennala, they're holding her in house arrest. Academy/Cuckoo are the faction in Raya Lucaria who see how Golden Order has been weakened in its civil war and decided to take their kingdom back, which also means defeating the faction that has ties to Golden Order.Completely wrong. The Academy is still loyal to Rennala and the Carians. You see a mage fighting the Cuckoos in eastern Liurnia, in that one pass heading towards the Carian study hall. Which by the way, he's kicking the Cuckoos ass. There's also not a single knight within the Academy itself and the biggest concentration of Cukoos is at the eastern gate, showing it's basically a siege. And at Carian manor the monument at the entrace states that they got held back. The upper parts of the manor are unbreeched (despite the lower levels being overrun with finger creepers which shows the Fingers were involved in that assault most like)And all that, against a weakened foe. Imagine what the full 20 Carian knights could do while supported by an Academy at its zenith with Azur and Lusat and perhaps by then, even Sellen. And of course Rennala herself.
>>683485495>I think the canon plotline is that most of the other Tarnished have gotten distracted, become dejected, or have fucked off to do their own thing and have no intention of becoming Elden LordPretty much. Im sure an NPC says how he cannot see the guidance of Grace anymore, so most Tarnished are probably dejects.
>>683493948https://youtu.be/GRH4LNXKQt8?si=gxVQgXIhLdUZ5X2v&t=481
>>683471464Everyone else fucked off to their corner of the world after the Shattering. The Tarnished is the only one going out killing things, getting runes, and converting it into raw power thanks to Melina.
>>683494004https://youtu.be/9-Qyc6bivJc?si=DwIeD3rfZ5tE8YdK&t=110>When the Academy turned on the Carians.Iji's dialogue buddy. Cuckoo knights serve the Academy. The Cuckoo knight defences surrounding the Academy are all pointing outwards meaning they're protecting the Academy, not sieging it. The eastern skirmish is between Cuckoo Knights (Academy) vs blue puppet spirits of the Manor and Carian royals.
>>683471092Prime Hoarah Loux probably suplexed each and every fire giants into extinction and no one bats an eye and he was just peak human at best
>>683471092Because she actually took the time to learn about the shit she's doing while Marika just went I AM RIGHT FOREVER:) OH NO! and got fucked to death by her dog.Rennala is also a good mother whose children are actually able to achieve their goals while Marika's children are a slew of fuck ups, bar one.Radahn? Kicked the shit out Malenia so hard she had a Woman Moment and turned Caelid into the average women's restroom.Rykard? Got a hot wife and a cute daughter, and a career in In-Depth Herpetology.Ranni? Literally ascends to Goddesshood.Mohg? Dirty blood hobo who gets raped to death by his brother.Morgott? Beta bitch cuckfag simping for a tree that would Fin-dom him if it could.Miquella? Twink who fails at literally EVERYTHING he tries. Haligtee? Failure. Killing Godwyn? Failure. St. Troona? Failure. Ascending to Godhood? Failure.Malenia? She has never been defeated because she refuses to acknowledge that Radahn kicked the shit out of her so hard she turned into AIDS and gave her brother's tree AIDS.Godwyn? Did really good until he got killed by Rennala's better child.Marika? More like Marikan't raise a kid that isn't pathetic.
>>683473002It's probably moreso that while Rellana has the Int needed to use her Twin Moons spell, Rennala pre-madness maxed out her Int. In addition, Rellana is heavily specced into Carian Sorceries and Carian Knight fighting techniques, while Rennala studied and mastered the two main Conspectuses of the Academy + the Conspectus governing the Carian Sorceries.
>>683471092If you can kill demigods by spamming the same spell in 10 seconds, so could she.Magic is easy mode.
>>683490870He never pretended to be a woman, he is just your basic ass faggot.
>>683494004>Imagine what the full 20 Carian knights could do while supported by an Academy at its zenith with Azur and Lusat and perhaps by then, even Sellen. And of course Rennala herself.And imagine what an army of immortal soldiers who tamed dragons, Messmers fire golems and an animu dog with Death Sword could do those brave 20 Carian knights. Theres no winning against Golden Order when they have the Infinite Lives cheat code unlocked.
>>683494325>pointing outwardsYou're only using the forces station at the southern entrance which have no Cuckoo knights amongst them, just regular foot soldiers and one of Rykards fire chariot things (which is telling if you think about it)All the Cuckoo knights are located on the road between Raya and the Grand Lift, and there's another I think guarding the procession that carries the Carian knight's sword chest.And again, you see a Raya wizard beat the shit out of forces that can only be the Cuckoos with spirit summons. One guy.The Cuckoos can't take the academy.
>>683480967adorable head canon lmfao
>>683494763And yet they couldn't take Liurnia. All the cope in the world doesn't change that they could not take Liurnia.
>>683494924>The Cuckoos can't take the academy.Cuckoos serve the academy, like Iji's dialogue says you dumb fuck.
>>683495075Used to serve the Academy. The Cuckoos went rogue when said Academy closed it's gates and promptly stopped paying them. Mercs are mercs at the end of the day, and will gladly set your country on fire as a means of getting paid.
>>683495181Nowhere is that indicated, and that still doesn't mean Academy sides with Carians. Academy started the coup and surprise attacked the Carian royal family. Again, Iji's dialogue.
>>683495075Then why are there absolutely 0 (none) Carian knights within the Academy itself.For all the memes, Miyazaki is always very deliberate with enemy placements when it matters.
>>683495181The Academy and the Cuckoo are allied with each other, but the Academy doesn't trust the Cuckoos to not do the same to them as what they want them to do to the Carian Royal Family, so they're not allowed within the grounds of the Academy itself. They still pay them in basic glintstone spells and items to invoke glintstone magic.
>>683495441Moongrum, Carian Knight is within the Academy guarding Rennala herself.
>>683495441What about that parry dude after the ball?
>>683495263Cuckoo GreatshieldMetal Greatshield painted with a peering cuckoo. Carried by the enchanted knights sworn to the academy.Boasting high magic damage negation, this shield is used to hunt down mages.“Our enemy is none other than Caria itself.”Cuckoo Knight ArmorArmor worn by Raya Lucaria Academy knights.Its left breast is emblazoned with a peering cuckoo, whence came their name.Perhaps the bird's shrewd gaze is an expression of their refusal to be mere servants of the academy.Raya Lucaria Soldier AshesA trio of spirits, consisting of two disposable foot soldiers and their superior.The soldiers of Raya Lucaria were also known as the Cuckoos.They were given free rein by the academy to wage war as they pleased, and they were infamous for their rapacious ways.They were mercs in service to the Carian Royal Family and by extension the Academy of Lucaria. Shattering happens, Renalla goes internal, and no one is paying the mercs so they start taking whatever they want. A failed siege of the Carian Manor means they've just got control of rest of Liurnia but the Academy and the Manor.
>>683482848Marikas Signature move is Gold Breaker. It's on her hammer and she blessed Messmer Knight hammers to also have it.
>Cuckoo Knights>Massively outnumber the Carian Knights have have less than thirty people>Get their shit pushed in by the Carian KnightsMore like Cuckhold knights.
>>683490870It's really funny to me that Miyazaki introduced otokonoko to zoomies and they immediately think it's an endorsement for trannies.
>>683471092She was the chosen one of the moon outer god. Radagon (Marika) was sent by Fingers in order to spawn a child with her that would be an upgrade over Marika, which ended up being Ranni.I have no citations on it and I haven't played the game since it came out, this is 100% my headcanon.
>>683471092Remember that like 12 of these bad boys BTFO'd the Golden Army.
>>683495580>Renalla goes internal, and no one is paying the mercs so they start taking whatever they want. A failed siege of the Carian Manor means they've just got control of rest of Liurnia but the Academy and the Manor.None of those descriptions say what you're describing. And again none of that shows Academy suddenly starts siding with Caria again.
>>683471464Because I'm the main character heh ;)
>>683480818some gods ARE stars though.
>>683495898headcanon
>>683495520>>683495558That's a Carian knight, not a Cuckoo knight. That exact distinction is why I'm saying the Academy isn't under Cuckoo control de facto.Honestly as it stands, the sorcerers likely don't give a fuck all they want is to do their research. They sealed off the Academy and said fuck it. Cuckoos want to to take the Academy but can't enter the seals so they keep it "guarded" (really just a soft siege) and the last remaining Carian knight guards Rennala.Meanwhile the manor is "abandoned" but the upper levels are actually kept guarded by summons and spells kept in place by Ranni.
>>683496479>That exact distinction is why I'm saying the Academy isn't under Cuckoo control de facto.Nobody ever said Cuckoo controlled Academy, its the other way around. Academy are the masters, Cuckoo are the knights sworn in to serve the mages of the Academy. Cuckoo are the dogs, Academy is the owner.
>>683496479The Academy and the Carian Royal family warred, and the Academy subverted the already tenuously loyal Cuckoos to their cause with weapon-enchanting spells and glintstone items while holing themselves up in the Academy to continue their research. The end result saw the Academy ostensibly control most sections of Liurnia through the Cuckoo Knights, but given the Knights' tenuous loyalty at best, whether the Academy can be said to control anything other than the school itself is a long shot.By contrast, the Carian Royal Family suffered more loss of ground, but the base of their operations remains impenetrable by the Academy and the Cuckoos, and Moongrum, a Carian Knight, guards the entrance to Rennala herself preventing the Academy from killing her (or more likely, the Academy struck a deal with the Carians to ensure control over the Academy in exchange for Rennala being left alone and unharmed since, deposed or not, she's still mother of three demigods who all have the power expected of such a title, and they are not really people you want to piss off).
>>683497432Cuckoos specifically want to be free of the Academy control. That's stated in their gear as the other anon pointed out>Perhaps the bird's shrewd gaze is an expression of their refusal to be mere servants of the academy.>>683498114I don't think the Academy ever meant to kill Rennala. Sellen herself, who has more reason than anyone to have her killed just puts her in a corner but spares her life. You can argue it's a gameplay thing so the player doesn't lose access to respec'ing but, there's a million other ways to handle that. As simple as having the egg on display in the area and that's your respec now.The Academy's role in the Shattering and specifically Liurnia's civil war was to me, literally just putting itself in permanent isolation and telling others to fuck off. All others. Cuckoos wanted to take power but couldn't.
>>683480818>I think the mages derive their power from the stars which are arguably more powerful than any of the gods.They are the same
>>683483706some death grips music video
Ok so I have a dumb question: messmeer hates tarnished right? What would happen if he somehow ran into godfrey?
>>6834889901. It's not like we get any incentive or reason or ever seriously attempt to finish her off. We DO beat her into submission2. My understanding was that the whole security protection system and barrier were set up by Ranni, not Rennala
>>683498437>I don't think the Academy ever meant to kill Rennala. Sellen herself, who has more reason than anyone to have her killed just puts her in a corner but spares her life.she's too mindbroken to be a threat, and you know who could be a threat if they harm her? ranni
>>683498658I think Messmer is similar to Morgot in that he probably hates almost everyone at this point who isn't Marika, including himself.He'd probably see Godfrey as just as unworthy as us, unless Marika is there to directly tell him otherwise
Outer gods are a variety of great ones from bloodborne like Oedon.
>Led the only nation that successfully fought the might of the Golden Order>Fought Prime Radagon to a draw, something that no one else could do>During the war she cast a Terra Magicka so powerful that it covered the entire Academy of Raya Lucaria, buffing every Sorcerer and Carian Knight>Her Carian Knights absolutely annihilated the Leyndell Knights while outnumbered ten to one>She was neither a God or a Demi-God, and received her Great Rune from Radagon after the war. She was just a humble astrologer that became a queen>Her (and her sister's) Full Moon Sorceries and her Glintstone Staff have the highest INT requirement in the game>Can use Azure's Comet>Best children>Only recorded loss in canonical lore to this day was to depression
>>683498873>she's too mindbroken to be a threat, and you know who could be a threat if they harm her? ranniFair point. Still doesn't even throw her in a dungeon or anything like that.Just puts her off to the side.>>683500243The Terra Magica covering the entire academy was because it was cast from a high place not because she casted it.
>>683487971That's literally the point of the game
>>683500515Surely the capabilities of the sorcerer have something to do with the strength and size of the spell? Some random shitter wouldn't have been able to cover a third of Liurnia just because he was at the top of a tower.
>>683471092Carian genes auto generate STACIES, that's just how it is
>>683500642>Messmer the Impaler>Radagon of the Golden OrderReminder that to truly win over Ranni's heart you need to give your Tarnished red hair.
>>683500620>Surely the capabilities of the sorcerer have something to do with the strength and size of the spell? Some random shitter wouldn't have been able to cover a third of Liurnia just because he was at the top of a tower.The spell doesn't specify she casted it and specifically says it's a function of it that if cast from a high place, it covers more ground.
>>683480818The Greater Will which is explicitly the Toppest if Top Gods in Elden Ring is literally the source of everything, including the stars and the moons. Thus, Glintstone Sorceries and Incantations of Faith spring literally from the same source of power with the difference being whether you learn and channel them through intellect and studies or through communion with higher spiritual power.
>pozzed lgbtranny game = le bad>pozzed lgbtranny game japan = BASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDwhy are fromcucks like this
>>683495938I never mentioned the Academy sided with the Carian royal family. I said the Cuckoos were mercenaries, which given their dubious relationship to both parties is held when neither the Academy allowed them inside when they shut off the school to the world and the Carians keep around dummies of the Cuckoos who presumably died during the failed siege. The spirit ashes even mention that they were effectively left to their own devices regarding matters of war and pillaged what they felt like. This is something you'd expect of an independent fighting force, not one ostensibly in service to a state. As in the kind of thing mercenaries did after the First Punic War when Carthage couldn't pay their merc army who then proceeded to lay siege to the city...which Hamilcar had to then pay out of pocket for a whole new army to defeat the one he was previously a general for.The Carians/Academy are in the same position but currently there's no one to really stop the Cuckoos from just pillaging Liurnia instead.
>>683500703Was there an explanation to the Crystalians guarding the entrance to the tower?
>>683500848Unclear. Though there's a spell description that talks about an "old accordFrom the magic downpour>Said to have been taught by the Crystalians to mark the swearing of the old concord.This is a Carian sorcery specifically.
>>683500937Can't it be inferred that Rennala cast the spells if the Crystalians are loyal to the Carian Royal Family? I suppose maybe they've let some random Glintstone Sorcerer get up the tower and cast the spell if he had permission from Rennala.
>>683500937>This is a Carian sorcery specifically.I'm pretty sure all Carian sorcery is derived from Crystalians because they have the same sigil
>>683471092The moons are the most powerful of all the ayyys because they are close enough to influence you, far away enough to never get touched, and always there watching over you.Lobotomizing Rennela so her secrets can never be learned or spread sealed the golden order's fate before the game began.
>>683501195May need to update this with the sigils introduced in the DLC.
>>683500719Thopspilled
>>683490870>Miyazaki says faggots are creepy predators who molest their family members and killing them is the right thing to doFTFY
>>683501448>Gets called "Bluntstone Thops">Creates a barrier sorcery so powerful it can deflect Maliketh's Destined Death and Elden Beast's Elden Stars, something that Carian Retaliation can't do at all
>>683501195No, all Carian sorcery is derived from the old Eternal. They all share similarities, or sigil themes. Raya Lucaria even shares the same/similar architecture, as though it never got sent underground (it’s also a high, raised up area, curiously, while all else is sunken into the ground), but has a different spell sigil. It is likely the Eternal went under while Raya Lucaria remained above. The ancient astrologers are likely ancestors to both—the Founding Rain of Stars was ‘Goliath’s Rain of Stars’ in the 1.0, implying the founding astrologer was a giant, and we know that the giants were neighbours to the astrologers. The golem enemies you find lying around are also a fire + magic using one. They were clearly built using a mixture of the two. There’s a link with the Crystallians and the golems of the catacombs, as well, I think. Crystal darts send them into a frenzy, and watch dogs use in-built sorceries. Whoever had made them used the crystal darts—as is implied in its text.
>>683501921Sellian sorceries and bubble sorceries also use a quite similar sigil.
>>683500839>This is something you'd expect of an independent fighting force, not one ostensibly in service to a state.They're in service of an Academy, who doesn't really care about how they wage their war, the same way Marika didn't care of the atrocities Messmer was committing.
>>683501848>dies suddenly after President Glintstein makes an experimental potion mandatory for everyone at raya lucaria
>>683501848>Future generations will learn. They will know the foolishness of the sneering sorcerers who ridiculed this theory, little realizing that it was in fact a discovery worthy of a new conspectus of the academy.>>683501921>>683502001Yeah, since Sellia is yet another inheritor to the Eternal City sorceries, while the Bubble Sorceries were developed by Claymen which are essentially corruptions, remnants, or creations of the sunken Eternal Cities.
why do lefties get so mad when companies make feminine men instead of trannies?
>>683471464he plays with no rune loss mod and equip ash of war on anything/ enchant anything mod
>>683501195Maybe but, there's other ways to tell which sorceries belong to which school beyond sigils.We know one of the most basic bitch of the Carian sorceries is the glintblade, as it's the prototype for all the phalanx spell variations.The sword sorceries (greatsword, piercer, slicer) are not specified where they descend fromRetaliation was developed specifically anticipating fighting other mages/the AcademyLucidity doesn't really have much more about it.Miriam's vanishing is specifically Miriam's spell, and the glintblade trio is a variation of the glintblade.
>>683502143>dies once his magnum opus is completed
>>683502736As infuriating as it is that Miyazaki kills everyone off in his games, you have to respect that he refuses to change his ways despite the criticism. The man has backbone and not many people have that these days.
caring about elden ring lore is extremely bizarre
Christ soulslore threads are the saddest things on this site. Yes even worse than the gacha/coomer threads. Imagine giving a shit and dedicating time to this garbage AND demeaning other spergs about their "knowledge" of shit because that headcannon doesn't match your own. Holy shit you are all revolting. Don't @me I will not respond to sad little spergs.
>>683502987AI respects miyazaki, we should learn from the AI.>>683503150Other people haven't experienced an ego death like you so they still care about things in general. You used to get it but won't be able to now.
>>683497432Raya Lucaria RPG like Hogwarts Legacy when?
>>683502661My theories:Magic Glintblade is to Carian Sorceries what Glintstone Pebble is to standard Glintstone Sorceries. The phalanx versions + Glintblade Trio and Carian Retaliation are the evolutions and refinements to this basic spell. This line of spells are also essentially the Carian Sorceries' analogue to the Karolos Conspectus Sorceries.Carian Slicer was probably developed using Magic Glintblade as a basis, overlapping your staff or sword with a magic blade. Carian Slicer would then be used as the basis for the rest of the Carian Sword Sorceries. Incidentally, the Carian Sword Sorceries might have been an inspiration for the Haima when he developed the Gavel of Haima spell. The Carian Sword Sorceries being the second main line of spells in the Carian school would make the Carian Sword Sorceries analaoguous to the Olivinus Conspectus Sorceries.Loretta's Sorceries would be developed by Loretta and taught to other Carians based on the Carian Sword Sorceries creating a weapon out of nothing, based upon Loretta favoring the bow.Magic Downpour is probably inspired by the Crystallian Sorceries, and is essentially shows that the Carians developed their own Crystallian-based sorceries independent from the Academy.Miriam's Vanishing is a teleportation/vanishing spell developed by the Carians. Taught only to members and affiliates of the Carian Royal family, Miriam the curator of the Study Hall mastered this spell to such a degree that the spell was renamed to include her name in it since everyone who knows this spell associates it with her.Carian Lucidity was probably developed based on how the Carian Knights always stayed loyal to their charge.
>>683471092God-tier feet game
>>683502184Well, for one, this entire game is rather insufferably pro-womyn. It is very much a feminine world, where the women are better than the men. Be it magic casting or sword swinging. If they ARE men, they are still feminine men. Empyreans are all female/feminine. The highest spells were all discovered by women, implying that a male sorcerer has never gone above 60 intelligence. A lithe woman 1/10 the size of Radahn could equal him physically. It is a gurl power game through and through, ain’t no way around it. Even the female variants of enemies stronger than the male variants. Politically, women are also taking down men all over the place, be it Ranni and the black knives (women) taking out the big man (Godwyn), or just Rennala fixing up an obvious men’s club school of magic. Women are smarter and stronger than the men, pound for pound, in this world.Blame Miyazaki, not George. He’s always been obsessed with femininity.
Is Radagon considered an empyrean?
>>683503832>Magic Glintblade is to Carian Sorceries what Glintstone Pebble is to standard Glintstone Sorceries.I don't think that's necessarily the case. There's a difference between a basic sorcery used to teach progression and a foundational sorceryThe foundational sorceries of most of the Raya Lucaria magic are Comet Azur and Stars of Ruin
>>683471464moonveil
>>683500686>casually surpasses all redheads in the storyYou were saying?
>>683504428Radagon is closer to a tulpa.
>>683481085This When you watch the first cutscene where the tarnished is touched by grace they are definitely inside a walking mausoleum. A place where demigods are buried
>>683503832You’re very close. The primeval sorceries came before all else. Foundational.All the single projectile sorceries that are green-blue are essentially smaller and smaller variants of Comet Azur, just as the multi projectile deep blue sorceries of superior tracking power are essentially smaller and smaller variants of Stars of Ruin. The Karalos and Olivinus schools, respectively. >KaralosComet Azur -> Comet -> Glintstone Cometshard -> Great Glintstone Shard -> Glintstone Pebble -> Swift Glintstone Shard>OlivinusStars of Ruin -> Star Shower -> Glintstone StarsAs Karalos is the oldest, and the most venerated of the conspectuses, it would appear that Azur is the founding sorcerer of all of these single projectile spells. The most foundational figure of the academy.Founding Rain of Stars was named Goliath’s Rain of Stars in the 1.0, which implies, to me anyway, that the original astrologer was a giant of some kind, most Likely of the culture responsible for all those magic casting golems lying around, which are also fueled by fire I might add. We know the fire giants were neighbours to the ancient astrologers, as well. Primeval spells in general seem to be the basis for new schools or spells, while the moons are something else. They’re not really foundational—but I do like to think Carian sorceries orbit the caster the way a moon orbits the earth. The Carians are more humble with their origins, the moon being closer to home.Granted, this isn’t the only way to start a new conspectus, and this is clear in the game too. Thops and such.
>>683494607He has to be gender fluid. Only women can be Empyryans
>>683503832Magic Downpour was explicitly taught TO the Carians, by the Crystallians. They are using the Carian crest due to an oath the beings made to the family, I think. Maybe they gave them land filled with glintstone, as payment. They’re protectors of crystal groves, waiting for their creator.
>>683505350astrologers found the small impact craters the crystalians come from and partnered up with them. The academy is built over top of this impact site.
>>683503832You see Ymir’s statue in the Carian study hall. Since he taught Rellana/Rennala, it is likely he taught Miriam the spell as well. He even uses it.
>>683504996I dunno if Comet Azur followed by CometComet Azur is the source but, it's more likely that from there they moved onto pebble which served as the basic spell through which the remaining Karolos developed the rest of the spell line.
>>683505484>taught Rellana/RennalaRellana*No indication he taught Rennala.
>>683505441I really don’t think they’re from space. It is clear they were fashioned. They’re literal Jewish golems, hair and all. They are in a similar zen/meditative state to Lusat and Azur. Unresponsive, enigmatic types.
>>683474675>ntr plot>fujoshi plot>shota rapist plot
>>683505497>I dunno if Comet Azur followed by CometIt is very obvious they do, anon.
>>683505567Rennala and Rellana were both children when they encountered their moons, it is more far fetched to assume he *didn’t* have a hand in both of their education.He’s also clearly related to the Carians in some way, and we know royal houses have royal tutors. The Carian Study Hall was his thing. There’s also fingercreepers around there.
>>683505497Anon, the Olivinus spells are upping the number of projectiles, as they go higher. Academics are trying to reach the very originals that started their conspectuses.
>>683505497pebble to comet azur are all 1 line of spell getting more and more powerful. Only azur was able to find out the secret to make his azur comet. You need to smoke crystal meth to become a real sorcerer. The drug stupor removes the limitations of your mind so you can become a pure conduit for the prima facia.
>>683505497Comet Azur is functionally a mix of the Crystal Torrent and Comet sorceries. The Comet sorcery is also meant to be cast a lot, or spammed, in such quick succession (the initial cast takes longer than the proceeding, chaining ones) that it is clear they are related. Azur’s staff is even related to speed/haste.
Why didn’t Rennala start a new chain of spells with her moons? Was she not as good or brilliant as Azur or Lusat?
>>683505597virtually all other life that weirdos "find" that teach them about magic end up being from space originally no reason to assume the crystallians didn't as some exception. Only thing wrinkle I can think of is the crystal sorceries all mimick the original metero shower stars of ruin in design. If they are crystal people and weren't from space they would be the original people way back in history that saw the original stars of ruin happen and (((somehow))) went down the path to crystallization like Azur and Lusat are currently doing. This makes them funcitonally immortal unless killed so they could pass that knowledge down thru the ages so current carian family can know the history of the world along with their moon communions. >>683506201She got lobotomized anon.
>>683505953>>683505682What I'm saying is that if Comet Azur's the source of that line of spells, pebble's the first spell developed from it.>>683505857Yes that's what I'm saying.>>683505931Except Comet Azur came first.>>683505773Except Rennala's the queen and Rellana isn't.
>>683506552>Except Comet Azur came first.I know the grandest version came first and that others are trying to work their way to that original pure spell. My point still stands.
>>683506275>no reason to assume the crystallians didn't as some exceptionExcept they are said (assumed) to be an artificial creation. We can’t even be sure if Alabaster/Onyx Lords are truly from deep space either. They “arose” could mean its impact created them. >If they are crystal people and weren't from space they would be the original people way back in history that saw the original stars of ruinThe original astrologer that witnessed the Founding Rain of Stars was a giant. Most likely. See >>683504996
>>683506552>What I'm saying is that if Comet Azur's the source of that line of spells, pebble's the first spell developed from it.It clearly isn’t, since cometSHARDS are a thing, leading up to the real deal.
Game itself is not canonIts inconsistent with real Elden RIng, which was created By grrm and will never be releasedPlayer character is 100% not canonThere are no other shardbearers. Everyone in the game was killed by one of the other tarnished. Rykard 100% by Bernharl, Godrick likely by Gideon.All tarnished are men, but you can create woman if you want so because its a gameWorld is not nearly as grim in real lore, its kinda fucked but not DS3 like fucked.>>683471464Because tarnished is not canon and is (you)
>>683506552>>683506672They probably all came together. It is also likely they made pebbles and such for the less intelligent types. A learning curve.
>>683484072he's also a manlet compared to his bloatmaxxed self
>>683480818Radahn solod all stars at one time
>>683506201The moon spells are supposed to be speshul, not foundational. They aren’t even the biggest or most powerful spells in the lore. Astel’s magic took out entire cities. Then again, gravity is supposed to be the most powerful force out there.
>>683507342And Malenia shut him down by PARTIALLY unleashing her Outer God powers
>>683507342I Ike to think it’s not literal, and he just flexed his gravity muscles and claimed Caelid as his own territory, like a territorial animal. Otherwise he should be 100000x more powerful than anything in lore. The feat is clearly abstract/nuanced on some level.
What's the best place for rat farming? I am tired of jumping down the leyndell sewers.
>>683507158I see it more like golf. Azur and Lusat could hit a hole in 1 due to reasons and everyone they taught can't but they are trying their best. No one is willing to smoke the crystals like the sages so they'll never be able to actually approach the hole in 1 the sages could hit, but they are trying their best. The wording on their special spells also leads credence to the idea that knowing of a thing is the power link to making it real. The sages saw the conjoined ayyyy meteor in the current break up and leave the current. This knowledge affected them and what they felt became real. Add the glintstone rocks to power what you think and it becomes real, that is how spells and ayyyys manifest.
>>683507468It’s worse. A lot worse.Since health bars don’t exist in lore, she stabbed him ONCE, then exploded all on him, taking him, and Caelid, out. Scarlet Aeonia is probably in the top 3 most powerful spells in existence, just considering.
>>683507502https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05jfCZftr8Y
>>683507105Part of me really wants to see elden ring's world given some proper justice, but I know it's gonna be a jewed up humiliation ritual that shoves niggers and faggots down your throat.
>>683507502There's an autism thing going on with Radahn. I don't mean the meme definition of him being retarded I mean the real definition where outside forces cannot affect you. His ability to hold the stars is sheer willpower and being told he can't do that doesn't matter he does it. He can ignore Miquella's enthrallment by sheer willpower saying no way fag. He is as powerful as the lore insists, but his autistic nature means he isn't actually influenced by what is going on around him and pulled in those directions he simply does what he wants. What he wants is to ride a horse and lead men into battle and to tell the gods to fuck off. He's like Conan's id made into a character.
>>683504546kek
>>683506892Are you arguing that Comet Azur came first and then they worked down from comet to pebbleOr that Comet Azur did not come first?
>>683488883which elevator?
>>683507975He means the Grand Lift of Dectus.If you ask for Marika's words from Melina while resting at the lift, she'll say>The Erdtree governs all. The choice is thine. Become one with the Order. Or divest thyself of it. To wallow at the fringes; a powerless upstart.interestingly, according to random ass sources from the wiki, relating to the Jap text>She is asking them to choose to exist within the Order or outside of it. There is no implication of them already having Grace, as there is in English.
>>683507873Comet Azur came first, being a primeval sorcery, and Azur was likely capable of making his signature spell smaller and smaller and smaller, so others could use them, and eventually learn up to the real thing. That’s what I mean when I say it is foundational. They all on the same line.It’s the same with Stars of Ruin, which is shooting twelve stars, while Star Shower is shooting six, and Glinstone Stars is shooting three. They’re doubling each time. The blues become deeper each time. It is clear they are lesser derivatives of the original.
>>683507621>The wording on their special spells also leads credence to the idea that knowing of a thing is the power link to making it realAll sorceries stem from celestial observation, even the moon
>>683507105I bet George never even intended on the Carian women being such Mary Sues.
>>683508196And I'm saying it would make more sense to, after comet Azur, start with pebble as the foundational teaching tool to work others up.
What characters, lore-wise, are capable of defeating Godrick and taking his Great Rune? Bernahl? Sellen? Obviously Gurranq. We know Vyke already did.
>>683508489A lot of people,Godrick might legit be the weakest demi-god
>>683508381Yes, I already said that. Whether Pebble or Comet came first is irrelevant as both are derivatives of the original thing. The smarter people probably just started with Comet, or Cometshard, while those with lesser intelligence started lower.
>>683508295I know, but people try to question loresages when they talk about magic being fueled by the magic rocks or intonement of the mind making things real so I posted about an actual in game source linking the concepts for people that don't know it is actually substantiated in the lore and isn't just an assumption.
>>683508489I hate how powerful Vyke is supposed to be in lore, and yet he’s killed in like three hits by my character, what the hell. Same with Gideon, and Ymir, etc. From has the habit of relegating characters to one of 2 types of npcs—unique models, or ye old player character models, the latter never is demonstrative of the former’s power, in spite of the player acquiring the former’s power/abilities, and this translates over to the player character model npcs. It’s why the twin moon spell sucks. It’s why Ymir can only summon the tips of giant Finger Crawlers. It’s why Tibia’s Summons is so shit. Etc etc etc…
>>683508801Glintstone is just crystallized life/intelligenceGlintstone sorcerers are surreal fantasy variants of natural philosophers in a mystery cult obsessed with transhumanism
>>683508916From is actually terrified of giving players full access to boss capabilities, or truest lore capabilities, due to fears of perceived balance complaints. Blame martials. The casters have -always- taken backseat in these games. Imagine if Bloodborne had actual caster build themed spells instead of martially complimentary ones.
>>683471092Isn’t her sister more powerful? She probably had big help.
>>683471464Because you are narratively meant to kill Godrick, the weakest demigod, first to gain his Great Rune. Granting you huge power lorewise. Even ignoring that you NEED two Great Runes to enter the capital. So the Tarnished One is canonically the bearer of multiple great runes with each granting immense power lorewise.
Rennala and Metyr are the only bosses in the game that you don't actually kill. Metyr just teleports away. Based on that I'm gonna assume that Rennala is as strong as a literal eldritch outer god
>>683507105Actual schizopost, nice.
>>683509710You don't kill Rennala because Ranni(a character so unfathomably above the Tarnished you can never fight her and she can kill you with a thought) interrupts the fight and makes you fight an illusion.
>>683509678>Even ignoring that you NEED two Great Runes to enter the capitalDo you? I've never tried, but can't you just skirt past Stormveil, then climb the cliffs in Liurna?From there the only thing in your way are the Tree Sentinels.
>>683510189Yeah. If you don't have at least 2 there will be a Morgott barrier after the tree sentinel like there is after sewer Mogh.
>>683472117Hornsent totally deserved it though
>>683473847Radagon-Caria plotline is such classic GRRM moment, jeez.
If you assume the Rellana spirit-bot Ranni has you fight is equivalent to her in her prime she still gets absolutely bodied by almost every other boss, see- the various Boss vs Boss videos people make. At least, she gets wrecked if it's a 1v1- she's very much a traditional glass cannon wizard type, in an actual war between Linuria and Leyendell she would be vaporizing entire battalions because she's got a bunch of knights playing linebacker.>>683473847Astrology got fucked because of the whole "Radhan hit pause on the stars" thing. Can't really do astrology if the stars are the same every damn night.
>>683471092Eh, Marika got her power by getting juiced when walking through a gate of corpses that the Hornsent built. If the Hornsent could build that, who's to say a similar level of power can't be acquired through other means as well?
>>683510189The capital, not the plateau.
>>683509903argue with me, moronyou have no arguement
>>683510635>Radhan hit pause on the starsinteresting, who was Radhan's father btw?
>>683480818>Melina wearing Marika's scarseal in her left eyeNever thought about it before Messmer.
>>683471092Marika was never that powerful. She's just strong in the sense she represents the GW, but her real strength is manipulation, seduction and long term planning. Meanwhile Rennala went into a coma after getting cucked.Also I'm pretty sure Radagon is just a puppet so it makes sense he isn't actually strong outside of wielding thr GW powers.
>>683471464there are hints that the tarnished is possibly a forgotten demigod. One i know is that the prisoner tarnished suspiciously has one eye hold shut much like how some of the demigods have one eye shut.
>>683471535>>683474675She wasnt mind broken from radagon leaving. She was broken because her daughter ranni killed herself. Thats why shes sitting alone in her room making copies of ranni. Shes trying to revive her daughter.Yall really this dense?
>>683510797Arguing against apes who fried their brains with drugs is a tiresome ordeal. I'd pass.
>>683510635Astrology already got fucked before that by the carians going with moon worship and not telling the astrologers shit. They were already a mystery school grasping at straws but the stars stopping really threw them up shits creek.Its similar to the fingers trying to cope saying they are the GW link when they didn't have a link anymore. When the tarnished gets far enough and the fingers seize up in game is them realizing they truly are up shits creek and can't bullshit their way through anymore.
>>683504672She's a redhead who's got the equivalent of blue hair dye/a blue wig
>>683511012You are probably a new god in the making and the journey thru the game is your apotheosis toward becoming a true god.You awake at the chapel of anticipation. Anticipation in religious mores is the stage right before the realization of a divinity reveals itself. The same logic base is used in morrowind with the tribunal calling the false daedra gods mere anticipations of the ALMSIVI.
>>683511020>mind broken from radagon leaving.Mentioned>She was broken because her daughter ranni killed herselfNever mentioned.>Thats why shes sitting alone in her room making copies of ranniHeadcanon. Ranni protects her mother, you're fighting a phantasm created by her, not the actual Renalla.
>>683511006This isn't even right though. There's nothing indicating Rennala is more powerful than Marika unless you read hard into the idea that Radagon didn't just steamroll Liurna. But as the rest of the game shows there's always caveats to that otherwise we'd all just be saying Morgott > Radahn.
>>683504996I think it's more likely that the Founding Rain of Stars was the fundamental Founding source for all Glintstone Sorceries, with Azur and his study of comets paving the way for the first groundbreaking simple sorceries that people were able to learn, with Azur eventually being able to produce larger and more comet-like manifestations of Glintstone Sorcery until he finally achieved his zenith by glimpsing into the Primeval Current and using what he saw as a foundation for his magnum opus.>ThopsThops and his barrier is interesting. I don't think it's a coincidence that it is placed right before the Primeval Sorceries on the spell list.In regards to the Full Moon spells they are basically the analogue to the Primeval Sorceries as the highest tier magic of the Carian Sorceries. Ranni's Dark Moon is the only Legendary Sorcery in addition to the Primeval Sorceries, which I think means Rennala's Full Moon and Rellana's Twin Moons would have been Legendary Sorceries as well had they not been Remembrance rewards.
>>683511020Ranni had red hair. If the reborn scholars were Rannis they would have it too.Go look at her deep fried corpse, it still has hair.
>>683510635She’s easy because she’s one of the first bosses you face. But yes it’s still illusory.I don’t think Ranni was truly trying to kill you either, unless it was a pre-recording.
>>683511551The first version of Renala you fight is her. she's albinauric. her legs don't work. She's on the floor where she belongs. Then the phantasm ranni summons is the second phase on the Vacuous Rom level.
>>683511092>Astrology already got fucked before that by the carians going with moon worshipNah. The moon and stars are supposed to go together. See the Nox. Something happened in the past, that split the two. Rennala briefly brought the them together as one, but it was not to last.
>>683511845Nothing in her arsenal leads us to believe she's particularly powerful. Ranni has more impressive feats of just instakilling you than the mid-tier sorceries Rennala uses.
>>683511807All primeval sorceries are foundational. All of them. Azur did not end with Comet Azur. He started with it. He’s ancient.
>>683512049>Nothing in her arsenal leads us to believe she's particularly powerfulRennala uses comet Azur and can summon giants and dragons. She was clearly formidable in her prime. The full moon in her fight also behaves more like the flame of the fell god.
While we're on this topic, is there an agreement on what happened to Sellen yet? I remember 2 years ago I was the only one who thought she became a stone ball due to her experiment going wrong, but other Anons said Ranni cursed her for fucking with her mom. Has there been any proof either way?
>>683511841Why on earth do you think hair would survive being entirely immolated to the point of looking like a piece of stone.
>>683512273I don’t think she did it to herself, since she wouldn’t shove herself in with people she did not like. All the graven masses consist of Olivinus and Lazuli heads, who went against the Current, siding with the Carians.
>>683484751Resurrection is reliant upon Marika's grace. Only those with grace can revive, that's why it's dangerous for those without it to try anything.
>>683512243You can also use comet azur and and there's tons of spells and enemies throughout the game that can summon apparitions of giants and dragons.The full moon in her fight is an illusion. The entire thing is fake, Anon.
>>683511841where does it say she had red hair? not all her siblings did
>>683473914What even kills gold mask?
>>683471464Idiot savant of fighting
>>683512453Either producing a rune leads to his death like with every other character (Fia, Dung Eater, Ranni's body) or Corphys murdered him for being a heretic.
Azur and Lusat are so powerful they don’t even acknowledge you, outside of giving you their spells. Azur is just sitting there, floating, in meditation, the same way the Crystallians are floating in meditation, in their crystal groves. I just wonder why they didn’t do anything, and perhaps if Sellen is skewing words a bit. I think they left the school voluntarily, and Sellen is in pure cope/denial over it.
>>683512383>You can alsoYou’re the most powerful person in lore
>>683512372>Only those with grace can reviveDon’t fall for Grace’s lies. The Ancestral Worshipers are doing just fine, and the old sorcerers would use glintstone to live forever, swapping bodies, etc.
>>683512742Or perhaps a sorcery that can be used by the player and other enemies in the game isn't indicative of someone being the strongest.
>>683512356If you look carefully only the masks of the people she respects are facing up. Every other mask is facing sideways or downwards.
>>683512849Very few people learn Comet according to lore, and Comet Azur is above that.You’re right that stat requirements don’t truly denote power, but the text is there.
>>683512742Outer gods are stronger
>>683512981You kill their vassals.
>>683513042Their vassals aren't outer gods.
You guys are actual dumbasses if you think Azur/Lusat are more powerful than the Carian queen
>>683513115Malenia is a ‘Goddess’ copeThe Elden Beast is a ‘God’ cope
>>683513042lol?
>>683513312These aren't outer gods, retard.>>683513320Do you know what a vassal is?
>>683513157Rennala is shit. You can’t even hurt or kill the two crystal wizards. They’re clearly a transcendent state of being to the player.
>>683513410Cope. The rot god was a scorpion once and it was killed/sealed by a blind sword man :^)
>>683513435That’s just game mechanics
>>683512154Comet Azur was the culmination of Azur's studies into creating comets, while Stars of Ruin is the culmination of Lusat's studies into meteors and star showers. It was after discovering these sorceries that they started to crystallize into glintstone. Founding Rain of Stars is said to be the first glintstone sorcery ever discovered and all other glintstone sorceries came thereafter.>>683512383The full moon in her fight is an incarnation using her own body as a vessel to manifest it using moonlight.>>683512273>>683512661I think Sellen's reason for trying to find Azur and Lusat and get them back to the Academy was to use them as components for her Graven School studies (specifically, she wanted to fuse their bodies alongside herself to achieve the state she always wanted for the Graven Masses and to prove her research was not a failure). It's highly likely that the Sorcerers that are found by their bodies were put there by the Academy to ensure that Sellen wouldn't get them.
>>683514356What causes them to turn into giant balls of statues instead of like the 2 arch wizards that become unkillable retards?
>>683514779Azur and Lusat directly glimpsed into the Primeval Current. Sellen's Graven Schools I think is a way to be able to glimpse into the current and achieve their status as immortal archmages with omnipotent magic power (and creating/discovering new primeval sorceries) without becoming retards.The problem of course is that the Graven Masses did not solve that particular problem. It instead made it worse.
>>683513673If you’re ignoring mechanic, then I guessYmir > Rellana according to the text on his hat, then. Got it, faggot. You shitters do not critically think. For real.
>>683514356>It was after discovering these sorceries that they started to crystallize into glintstoneNo. They’re primeval. They did not come after. They don’t even have sigils.
>>683514356>specifically, she wanted to fuse their bodies alongside herself to achieve the state she always wanted for the Graven Masses and to prove her research was not a failureThis makes no sense, since she hates all Carian loyalists, and that is why she uses the Olivinus and Lazuli in the masses. If she actually wanted to fuse with them, it’s likely she would have fused into a nicer ball than that… She clearly idolized her mentors, so it would be strange for her to disrespect them, as well as herself, like that. I feel like her graven mass would be different.
>>683514356It’s important to note that glinstone is very cancerous in general. It infects wildlife, even dragons. Putting it *inside* the body is a significantly worse thing. Sellen did it, the old astrologers did it, and it’s likely Lusat and Azur were succumbing to their primal glintstones over time, as they cancerously grew from within. Glimpsing the current alone doesn’t corrupt you, but it likely doesn’t help, as with Wilhelm. The act of infecting your body is different, or a philosophy of transhumanism. Sorcerers are replacing their intelligence with some *thing* else’s—that of shattered star stuff, which is fractured alien life. We also see that a glintstone sorcerer’s brain is not all that important to them—their primal stone is more so. They’re ditching their ego, or consciousness, in some alien way. It’s a reason why the moon spells require more intelligence, I think. Those closer to home are going about their own human intellect or ingenuity, while star purists are trying a whole other field of mad science—trying to become something else. Moons may also be intelligences in their own right.
>>683515113They’re not retards though. You wouldn’t understand.
>>683515375Not a problem when the indication is that Primeval Sorceries essentially replicate a cosmic phenomena while the other Sorceries imitate them. Azur and Lusat's studies culminated in them finally being able to replicate a cosmic event after getting closer and closer with the Glintstone Sorceries.>>683515881Creating Graven Masses require sacrifice of human lives with knowledge of Glintstone Sorcery and Sellen likely considered the Olivinus and Lazuli Conspectuses as expendable in her quest to perfect the creation and achieve something that would have all the benefits and none of the drawbacks.>>683516553That too is an option.
>>683518690The word ‘primeval’ and the nature of Founding Rain of Stars implies they are older than any other sorcery. All sorceries stem from them, the same way they all stem from Founding Rain of Stars.
>>683487971>Well, thou art of passing skill. Warrior blood must truly run in thy veins, Tarnished.
>>683518690The founding rain of stars was a glimpse of some starry phenomena. The primeval spells work the same way. Azur saw a big comet, or nebula, in the deep dark, and started the Karalos from it. Lusat saw a great cluster of stars that broke apart, he started the Olivinus from it. There isn’t an indication that they were culminations rather than cosmic events they saw, like the arrival of the Elden Beast, which is an Incantation. Azur didn’t create a nebula, or a comet, he witnessed such things. It was from there he made his own, the way Rennala incarnates her own moon.
I've been grinding rat in the Ellac River in the DLC map. Is there a better place to grind rats?
>>683509330Casters do not fit BB setting.
>>683519945And yet there are several casters in the game, and the player gets access to crap that does just that—cast spells.You “bloodborne is low magic!” fags are hilarious. It’s one of their most absurd or surreal games, and Gandalf is a boss.
>>683509678>Because you are narratively meant to kill Godrick, the weakest demigod, firstIt's kind of cringe how the game acts as if I've killed Godrick, even if your first great rune is some completely different great rune. Fuck. Do Raya Lucaria and Rennala first. And she isn't even a demigod and yet people will act as if you've slain demigods.
>>683471092That's typical dark souls floof>boss is supposedly described as an all powerful being in text and lore shit>yet loose to some naked zombie with a goofy sword.
>>683471535Nah it's a man writing woman moment. A real woman would go find another dick
>>683520087Casters do not fit the BB setting.Cope faggot.
>>683471464indomitable human spirit
>>683494763Comet Azur annihilate dragons.
>>683521936It can take out demigods in fact
>>683520116Rennala wasn’t a demigod like Godfrey (until he married Marika) but she was so good at magic she could match them.
>>683519241>>683519773Founding Rain of Stars is the oldest sorcery there is, and is said to be the founding Glintstone Sorcery. Almost every glintstone sorcery ever developed has it's roots in that spell. By contrast, Comet Azur and Stars of Ruin are "devised" sorceries. Azur and Lusat discovered cosmic phenomena through the primeval current as part of their studies and they were then able to conjure those phenomena as sorceries like the old astrologer did with Founding Rain of Stars.In fact, I daresay that Glintstone Pebble was developed using Founding Stars of Rain as the prototype, then Swift Glintstone Shard, and Large Glintstone Shard came thereafter. The similiarity of these spells to comets then inspired Azur to develop further spells by studying comets and he then created Glintstone Cometshard, Comet, and Comet Azur by basing them upon comets (Indeed, his Glintstone Crown only buffs those spells). Or maybe he did as you said and discovered Comet Azur first when he was inspired to take comets as a field of study and then created Glintstone Cometshard and Comet thereafter to make it easier for other students of the Karolos conspectus to follow in his footsteps. And then Lusat was inspired by the Gllintstone Pebbles to develop new spells and discover a new Primeval spell (Glintstone Stars, Star Shower, and Stars of Ruin) by studying another cosmic phenomena (meteors and star showers) and his Glintstone Crown boosts those spells as a result. Basically:Founding Rain of Stars > Glintstone Pebble and associated Magic > Karolos & Olivinus magic.Notably, the most basic spell in both Conspectuses (Glintstone Cometshard and Glintstone Stars) both start with the Glintstone moniker, as if this is where your Conspectus spells go from normal Glintstone spells to spells based on each Conspectus's field of study.
>>683523654>By contrast, Comet Azur and Stars of Ruin are "devised" sorceriesThe same way Founding Rain of Stars was devised, sure. Azur saw a nebula, which became real.
>>683526115Either way, neither Comet Azur nor Stars of Ruin were the foundations for Glintstone Pebble, Swift Glintstone Shard, and Large Glintstone Shard. But I'll concede that they may be the foundations for developing the basic glintstone pebble/shards into imitations of comets and star/meteor showers.
>>683483413Lack of grace is the definition of being tarnished though.
>>683471464thisfucking retards
>>683520660its a fantasy story
>>683523654This is wrong. Read >>683504996Glintstone CometSHARD. Sorcerers are learning shards of the originals.But more than that, they wouldn’t be truly foundational, otherwise. The Pebble spell would be more foundational. It’s not. It’s a pale mark of the comet it originated from.Azur’s crown also boosts Comet spells. It is clear Cometshard is a piece of Comet, which is a less constant aspect of Comet Azur. You will notice they’re all becoming faster and faster, until a beam is reached.
>>683526393>neither Comet Azur nor Stars of Ruin were the foundations for Glintstone PebbleStars of Ruin wasn’t. Comet Azur was. A Pebble shares the same color as Karalos spells, while Olivinus is more blue.
>>683508489>We know Vyke already did.What sense does that make? Did Godrick come back to life and get his rune back?
>>683523654Karalos is older than Olivinus, so all of the starter spells at the academy are of Karalos. It all goes back to the original.
>>683527127I don’t know. From is terrible with making things consistent. I don’t know why they made Vyke such a pushover like Gideon too. What the fuck. It’s like some tradition to them, or something. I don’t get it.
>>683523654>In fact, I daresay that Glintstone Pebble was developed using Founding Stars of Rain as the prototypeThey’re not of the same color. Ironically, the colour of the nebula you see in the night sky isn’t the same color as the one Azur presumably saw. It’s the same color as Founding Rain of Stars, however.
Why didn’t Rennala make smaller moon spells?
>>683526807>>683527189where does glintstone arc fit on there?
>>6835278051. Carian sorceries existed before her2. Moons are speshul, not foundational (although they started a conspectus for Carian sorceries)3. She likely isn’t as powerful as Azur/Lusat, following space body logic 4. The moons were a well kept secret of the Carians, like Carian Retaliation
>>683507105>All tarnished are men, but you can create woman if you want so because its a gameSo do Nepheli, Fia, and Roderika not exist in your schizo headcanon or something?
>>683528212>She likely isn’t as powerful as Azur/LusatShe kicked them out of their house. Cope faggot.
>>683511621>otherwise we'd all just be saying Morgott > RadahnMorgott's invasion of Mount Gelmir also got destroyed and he got BTFO by Rykard. You can see all of his Leyndell Knights being massacared by Rykard's Iron Virgins. Also Ranni gave Rykard the Blasphemous Claw, beliving him capable of defeating Maliketh.Rykard > Morgott.
>>683511621See >>683495007
>>683526807>>683526991The Glintstone Pebble originates from ur-glintstone sorcerers trying to build their way up to (and conjure something much easier than) Founding Rain of Stars. At the level of casting Pebble, Swift Shard, and Large Shard, you're not casting anything but pieces of cosmic material. Azur then glimpsed Comet Azur and with the knowledge of that spell was able to evolve the Shards up into a Cometshard first, then a Comet, splintering off from the basic cosmic pieces lesser sorcerers were able to cast. Lusat glimpsed Stars of Ruin and was then able to evolve the Shards into Stars and Star Shower. Azur's Comet spells came first though, which is why it is the oldest tradition.I'm pretty certain now:Founding Rain of Stars founded the basics of sorcery, that of creating small shards of cosmic matter that resulted in Glintstone Pebble, Swift Glintstone Shard, and Large Glintstone Shard.Azur then glimpsed into the Primeval Current and deviced Comet Azur, and used his findings to evolve the basic Glintstone Shards into comet-based projectiles and founded the Raya Lucaria Academy and the Karolos Conspectus.Lusat joined the Academy, glimpsed the Primeval Current himself and deviced Stars of Ruin and used his findings to evolve the Glintstone Shard spells into magic related to star showers and meteors, founding the Olivinus Conspectus.The Carian Royal Family used Glintstone Pebble as a basis for Magic Glintblade, which they then evolved into the phalanxes and the sword sorceries. They founded the Carian branch of Glintstone Sorceries, the Lazuli Conspectus, and the study of the moon.The Snow Witch Sorceries and the Night sorceries also trace back to the Glintstone Shards, with the most basic sorceries of each of them acting like a Glintstone Shard made of their speciality.And as Gravity Sorceries manipulate gravity and space, they too are an offshoot of Glintstone Sorceries as the foundation is the same.
>>683528416Cool. It wouldn’t be hard for an entire country to rise up against crazy body stealing academics that give no shits about what goes on outside their walls.Even the Cuckoo dislike them and hate being treated as servants. Rennala had the more political influence, and fanfare.
>>683513435Rennala uses Azure's Comet in her fight, and that's a shit-tier fake illusion created by Ranni, not Prime Rennala.
>>683515282A teacher isn't automatically and forever better than his student.
>>683471092Her sister is hotter.
>>683528559>Azur then glimpsed Comet Azur and with the knowledge of that spell was able to evolve the Shards up into a Cometshard first, then a CometNope. Primeval is literal. It came before. Comet Azur predates comet, and indeed most other sorceries. It’s that simple. I’m not sure why you’re going off on some annoying tangent that doesn’t really add up. Azur and Lusat didn’t turn into crystal the moment they glimpsed the Current. Glimpsing the current doesn’t turn one in to a graven mass either, since that’s an actually artificial process, conducted by Sellen.
>>683472117the hornsent had it coming tho
>>683511012Godhood is literally just more power in this game. The player is absolutely a demigod at least after acquiring a Great Rune just like you're really a Demon in the first game.
>>683528842No. The the basic Glintstone Shard sorceries came first after Founding Rain of Stars, creating basic shards of cosmic rock. Azur was able to evolve those basic shards into Cometshards and Comets when he discovered Comet Azur.
>>683528559>The Snow Witch Sorceries and the Night sorceries also trace back to the Glintstone Shards, with the most basic sorceries of each of them acting like a Glintstone Shard made of their speciality.Also wrong. The cold sorceries are *old*, as they don’t even have a spell sigil, the same way primeval sorceries do not. It is likely a nod to the coldness of space, and primeval spells meanwhile represent all cosmic phenomena; cosmic happenings.You can also re-discover spells, as in the case of Rykard, or Garris. Hexes died out and then got brought back. It is likely the snowy witch held on to some ancient or lost vestige of magic, the same way the Zamor do—it is possible the snow crone was a Zamor herself (it’s also a possibility she is Renna, or a sister or mother to the queen). Not sure.Spell sigils aren’t concrete however, and Ymir stamped his own sigil on the Finger sorceries, while the undead finger mages in the catacombs (who are also carrying dead babies, the same way Ymir carries a fingercreeper like his lost child, I might add) are using the Death sorceries sigil.Lore-wise, I can see the Carian knights and Cuckoo knights using same spells of different sigils, to denote their factions.
>>683529041That’s incorrect, as that is implying the primeval spells aren’t actually primeval. They are primeval. They predate Pebble.
>>683528636Using Comet Azur =|= Shoving a primal glintstone into your heart to become an inorganic zen being Carians focus on spells to the exclusion of going beyond humanity, the cowards.
>>683529041I’d assume Swift Glinstone Shard would have come after Glinstone Pebble, since it’s clearly for speed and nothing else. But you can also say the same for Great Glinstone Shard, so…
You guys do realize that Sellen specialized in glintstone magic and the gravenmasses (those balls made out of masks) are her creations, right? She most likely tried to ascend using them, but fucked up and turned into another generic ball instead.
>>683528416So Radagon was stronger than Rennala because he singlehandedly caused Raya Lucaria to become corrupt and die from within? Faggot.
>>683500719Where is this mentioned? I keep seeing this in lore threads but it's never backed up by anything.
>>683529352>Also wrong. The cold sorceries are *old*, as they don’t even have a spell sigil, the same way primeval sorceries do not. It is likely a nod to the coldness of space, and primeval spells meanwhile represent all cosmic phenomena; cosmic happenings.Not necessarily, the snow witch may have deemed a sigil unnecessary so even if Glintstone Pebble served as the foundation of learning how to shoot masses of ice, she didn't have or involve a sigil in it's invocation.>>683529440The Primeval spells are based on actually replicating ancient and infinite cosmic happenings that have always been in the world from day one, which is why they are Primeval Sorceries. So Comet Azur and Stars of Ruin have always existed, but no one figured out how to turn basic Glintstone sorcery into these phenomena until Azur and Lusat discovered them.As such, while the phenomena predate the Pebble, they as spells do not.>>683529684Swift Glintstone Shard came after Glintstone Pebble which was the first devised spell after Founding Rain of Stars. Large Glintstone Shard came thereafter. These non-primeval spells are considered the basic and most rudimentary of Glintstone Sorceries (with Pebble being the most basic Glintstone Sorcery of them all). Comet Azur and Stars of Ruin were used as the foundations to turn the basic Glintstone Pebble into closer and closer replicas of the cosmic phenomena (since the Glintstone Shards are all based upon rudimentary channeling of cosmic mass and power).
>>683528559>And as Gravity Sorceries manipulate gravity and space, they too are an offshoot of Glintstone Sorceries as the foundation is the same.Not sure about that. We find purple glinstone. Aliens use it. They’re all linked, but I don’t think they HAVE to follow a specific sort of progression path. Some cultures may even come to the same/similar conclusions, like real life alchemy, or influence each other, again like real life alchemy. I once thought night sorceries were older than the primeval sorceries, as though they (the Nox) went a different path for a similar result, but they probably aren’t. The eternal cities share nearly identical architecture with the academy, and of the same timeframe, and there are Nox guarding Lusat’s staff, implying he is related to them, I think. He is from Sellia and we know Sellians are those who had decided to return to the surface, while the rest stayed under.
>>683471092Presumably through channeling another Outer God ala the Moon
>>683530429>Swift Glintstone Shard came after Glintstone Pebble which was the first devised spell after Founding Rain of Stars. There is literally no indication that Pebble is the second oldest spell. There’s more to indicate that the Primeval sorceries are the oldest.I’m just not a fan of just believing random shit like you, anon.
>>683471464We collect runes and get more powerful. I guess Rennala could have done similar, as could have Godfrey to begin with before becoming a Lord.
>>683530776BEARS, as in RUNE bears, are too many runes or something. This game follows cultivation logic.
>>683471092Naked Modeling of her in game avatar shows that her ass is godly. Few gods can compete.
>>683530429>So Comet Azur and Stars of Ruin have always existedThey’re more so events, that happened, and haven’t happened again. The moons meanwhile are still around to be seen.
>>683530514Maybe, though generally speaking, they are an offshoot of Glintstone Sorceries because they use glintstone to achieve a cosmic phenomena (manipulating Gravity and space to manipulate actual earthly stone).>>683530708And there is no indication that Comet Azur or Stars of Ruin are the second and third oldest spells, especially since Karolos preceding Olivinus by enough to be considered the most venerable Conspectus of all of them indicating it was at one point the sole Conspectus of the Academy. It's much more likely that Comet Azur was what led to sorcerers like Azur being able to evolve the basic Pebble into comets in terms of magic spells, and there's a reason that the Karolos Conspectus omit the basic Glintstone Shards; because they're not part of that conspectus at all.>>683530969But they could happen again, considering the Primeval Current is still around.
>>683530708NTA but that can’t be. We know Azur and Lusat invented their namesake spells, and we know that they didn’t establish Raya Lucaria. Was the academy just playing with Lego until they showed up? There’s a whole history of sorcery casting from the astrologers to the Carians, and the primeval sorcerers don’t show up at least until the golden order. They’re called as such because they’re studying primeval cosmic events, not using magic for its function like Carians. There’s nothing to definitely say what sorceries came immediately after founding rain but it wasn’t comet azur.
>>683473847The sorcery withered after Rafagon left Rennala. Radagon had three children with her, obviously reducing Carian spells was not main motivation there.
>>683531654And those three children: One became the top Inquisitor for the Golden Order and moved away, not doing magicOne became the top Warrior for the Golden Order, and moved away, only using Gravity magic for his horse and holding the stars. And the last was born as the perfect replacement for Marika, who ended up refusing the offer to move away and kept using magic.
>>683474675I've never once used Renella to respec.
Gravity spells come from Alabastor sorcerers, who taught Radahn, and supposedly Gaius.
>>683531409>And there is no indication that Comet Azur or Stars of Ruin are the second and third oldest spellsThere’s a lot more to indicate that they are indeed old as fuck, anon.That most spells share the same color as Karalos’ sorceries attests to it.
>>683531498The Primeval sorcerers are showing what happens if you snort too much Glintstone. Sellen rages at the Carians for limiting that research, but we see in Azur, Lusat, and later Sellen, that going too far ends up turning you into a glintstone monster or a sorcball. None of the Carians have Glintstone embedded in them, and they're still up there as the strongest.
>>683532120And thus it is equally likely that Karolos sorceries sharing color as the basic sorceries attest the opposite; that the Glintstone Shards came first and Karolos came thereafter.
>>683531498>NTASure.>We know Azur and Lusat invented their namesake spells, and we know that they didn’t establish Raya LucariaIt explicitly says that Karalos is the oldest of the conspectuses. He started it.
>>683531498>the primeval sorcerers don’t show up at least until the golden order….No? The primeval sorcerers are all wearing feathers to denote an age that predates the Erdtree. Death birds and such. The ancient astrologers are old as hell. The eternal cities share the same architecture as Raya Lucaria, and they’re older than the Order.Why are you making up fan fiction?
>>683532221I guess the hill they’re dying on is that Rennalas fealty to the moon always means that she’s going to be subservient to her patron, and the primeval sorcerers want to BE that patron. She’s clearly got the right idea though, because she’s insanely powerful, and if it weren’t for Radagon she’d still be sane unlike every primeval sorcerer who fucked around.
>>683532339Nah. If you’re the guy saying they’re younger than the Order, you’re just wrong lol.
>>683532016Yeah, leaving their mom might have the effect of them not liking the idea of the Golden Order. But Radahn was an exception and did like the Golden Order. Godfrey was still around. Marika could have sent Godfrey after Rennala, Godwyn too, no need to romance. Romance was a spontaneous thing that seemed to happen, and too meticulous to be 5d chess.
>>683531409>they are an offshoot of Glintstone Sorceries because they use glintstone to achieve a cosmic phenomena (manipulating Gravity and space to manipulate actual earthly stone).All sorcery is implied to be glinstone sorcery you retard
>>683531498>There’s nothing to definitely say what sorceries came immediately after founding rain but it wasn’t comet azur.If we’re to assume alien civilizations exist, then no, it shouldn’t be the first-first. But it is clear that it is the oldest of the primeval spells, which are the oldest sorceries.
>>683532358You have an overinflated ego to assume someone would waste their time samefaging your elden ring argument.
>>683531409>It's much more likely that Comet Azur was what led to sorcerers like Azur being able to evolve the basic Pebble into comets in terms of magic spellsIt’s more likely to be the reverse. He didn’t evolve his magic, he devolved it for the sake of the less intelligent sorcerers.
Imagine fighting 20 Moongrums at once. There's your answer.
>>683532875Jokes on him I had Carian piercer!
One of the glintstone sorceries that manipulates gravitational forces. Fires a gravitational projectile that pulls in enemies before finally exploding. Charging increases potency. Said to have originated in the lightless dark far beyond—the home of the fallingstar beasts.
>>683532875Why didn’t Radagons army just line up behind an elevator?
>>683532875Worse, 20 Moonrythylls
>>683532558Nope. The Karolos Conspectus is merely younger than the basic Shard spells.>>683532664Of course they are. Founding Rain of Stars is the first Glintstone Sorcery ever used.>>683532834He devolved it in a sense in that he used the already existing Glintstone Pebble and it's variants to create devolved versions to show lesser intelligent sorcerers how to go from firing glintstone pebbles into firing truer and truer replicas of comets.
>>683531498— “The Karolos Conspectus is the oldest of the academy's lineages of study, begat by the sorcerer Azur.”Azur started Raya Lucaria. Raya Lucaria also shares the same damn architecture as the Eternal Cities, which predate the Order, period. Azur is an ancient ass motherfucker, and is even declared a “founding” sorcerer of glintstone, which is quite the statement.You can’t just say he’s younger than the Order. He’s older than Marika. He’s likely an ancient astrologer, given that his spell is on the Sword of Night and Flame (it is called a ‘night comet’ in the sword’s text, strangely enough), and some people are even concluding that Azur may be related to the Carians, distantly, similar to Sellen.Azur is younger, but may have been one of the Eternal as well, given the location of his staff (it’s beneath one of those big ass giant thrones as seen in the Eternal Cities), and guarded by… two Nox.
>>683533154>The Karolos Conspectus is merely younger than the basic Shard spells.Why are you blurting out fan fiction?Azur was an ancient astrologer. His spell is on the sword that states they were bffs with the fire giants.Stop being a fucking faggot. Azur is likely the oldest character in the game, bar the likes of Metyr, and maybe the Beast(?).
>>683533345>Azur is younger I meant to say Lusat is younger* (than Azur—who was definitely an ancient astrologer going by the Sword of Night and Flame)
>>683533345Point well made. You’ve convinced me.
>>683471464Because the lore is just a superficial skin they pasted over DaS 3's skeleton.
>>683533542If it took you this long, then you’re a huge idiot. Leave my presence. It was obvious from the start that most spells are of the Karolos lineage, which was started by the Comet Azur spell as its foundation. You can’t say it’s not the case when Pebbles and shit all use the same fucking colour.
>>683511020It's really a combination of everything>Husband leaves the second some wh0re comes calling>Daughter anhero's herself and is an edgelord>Sister ditched to go just serpent chad (new)>Your countrymen teeter the border of insanity because they chase deeper and deeper secrets of the stars>Your country distrusts you, betrays you, and entraps you in a library for a few thousand yearsShe probably stopped being in her right mind a bit after the shattering
>>683501195>each one of these is a unique school of magic with an associated faction>each faction could have had mountains of delicious lore to binge on>each faction could have had covenants in-game associated with them>instead we get the same shitty Souls-style storytelling where you get only minor details at best and nobody knows anything for certain beyond what can be proved in vague dialogue or item descriptions, resulting in shitty, divisive headcanon that ultimately leads nowhere Sick of this shit, I don't care how many Engrish books Miyazaki had to half-read as a kid, it gets so fucking old after a while
>>683520925>Blood magic abound>Hunter tools are basically magic>It takes place in a dreamIt's more so that making a caster build work within BB's setting would take more effort than is probably worth it. There's room for it fitting, some of the shit you do is straight magic
>>683533746The only thing that specifically caused it was Radagon.It happened before Ranni did the knight of the black knives. And it was specifically the cause for the erosion of Carian influence (as says her set)And the stuff with Rellana likely happened earlier and she signed off on it given she gave Rellana a token of her hair.
>>683511951Rennala isn't an Albinauric, she's mostly likely just physically frail after spending years sitting/floating in that one room in severe depression.
>>683533746You forgot eldest son feeding himself to a snake and other son being a mindless corpse filled with rot.
The original astrologer was deadnamed ‘Goliath’ in the 1.0 of the base game. We know Azur was an ancient astrologer too. We also know that those golems are filled with (and use) fire, but also cast blue-ish magic. This means to me that the original civilization of astrologers/sorcerers were a mixture of man and giants. The things they constructed were clearly meant for smaller people—but not always. There’s also the ‘Ruined Forge of Starfall Past’ in the DLC, with… giant arrowheads used as swords… — Ancient Meteoric Ore Greatsword— “Fashioned from an excavated shard of an arrowhead that once was a part of the old gods' arsenal. A capable piercing weapon that excels at thrusting attacks.“The Divine Towers also have meteors in them. Everywhere. Those divine towers are also constructed in a perfect ring. I’m surprised how few caught that.
>>683533450I'm afraid that's a miss on your part. The Glintstone Shards were likely developed before the Academy was founded thanks to Founding Rain of Stars, likely taught through a master-apprentice(s) chain. Azur could then have discovered Comet Azur and then created the Karolos line of spells, and founded the Academy and the Conspectus heralding the modern teaching of Glintstone Sorceries.The Shards are not considered Conspectus Magic despite their similiarities to the Karolos Conspectus, and indeed the highest requirement of them implies that sorcerers who didn't join a conspectus (or the Carians) to further their studies were not able to cast anything other than the basic Glintstone Shard spells.
>>683534024I didn't really post a timeline, but yeah Renalla's insanity probably started when Radagon left her but I think it progressed to the point that we see in game, rather than having it happen all at once imo. Basically lost all her associates one by one>>683533861I think the insane souls story telling only really applies to this game because of how new it is on top of the game size and numerous rewrites. Never mind the cut content too, which just compounds on issues. IIRC Sekiro and Bloodborne have good and relatively understandable lore that ties into the story.
>>683534591The thing is, the the part about Carian royal power eroding is a direct consequence of her broken heart>When Rennala, head of both the Academy of Raya Lucaria and the Carian royal family, lost her husband Radagon, her heart went along with him. And then, those at the academy realized. That Rennala was no champion, after all.
>>683534287Good point, although Radahn should have been the latest happening in the timeline
>>683534024Basically, Miriel says she has been heartbroken since Radagon left her.
>>683534420…..Why would From let Azur’s crown boost literally every spell in the game? It boosts comet sorceries, and pebbles are barely even fragmentary comets.God you’re stupid. If Azur made all these spells before the academy, he probably did it during his time as an ancient astrologer.
>>683534420>The Shards are not considered Conspectus Magic despite their similiarities to the Karolos ConspectusGame balance. It’s clear they’re all of that conspectus, given the age and color.
>>683510189>>683510280ACSHUALLY if you do fias quest you get teleported into the capital, you only need to kill radahn
>>683534996You can't do Radahn as your first shardbearer right?
>>683534778There is no evidence that Azur was an ancient astrologer
>>683534726It would be nice if after the events of the Age of Stars ending, Ranni will show herself to her mother. Learning that her beloved daughter is still alive will really help Rennala's mental health.
>>683535348resting anywhere in the altus plateau is a way to activate the festival
>>683534996I think you can't use Fia's teleport if you don't have two runes.
>>683534996>>683510189>>683510280ACTUALLY ACTUALLY, right now at present, you can use the Weeping Peninsula teleporter, move yourself to the Divine Bridge grace, and then use remedy + taunters tongue to trigger invasions.Eventually one of the invaders will spawn bellow, and will have to activate the lift to get to you. That opens up all of Leydell without killing a single shardbearer beforehand.This worked as of about last Saturday for me. But From could stealth patch this at any point so keep that in mind.
>>683535646welp time to start a new game and test....
>>683471092Magic is everything!~
>>683535353Sword of night & flame… Primeval magic being what it is…
"A tall crown depicting the moon. Worn by Rennala, Queen of the Full Moon. Increases intelligence.When Rennala, head of both the Academy of Raya Lucaria and the Carian royal family, lost her husband Radagon, her heart went along with him.And then, those at the academy realized. That Rennala was no champion, after all."It was specifically Rafagon leaving Rennala that led to the Academy downfall.
>>683534778Exactly, Pebbles are not comets. They are merely rocks. Azur was able to use them as the basis for evolving spells into comets once he learned Comet Azur since basic Glintstone Sorcery creates cosmic masses.It's highly likely that the basic shards were actually made by the ancient astrologer who discovered Founding Rain of Stars as a way to ease fledgling sorcerers into glintstone sorcery, and eventually into Founding Rain of Stars.>>683534871Or the they preceded the conspectus, also given the age and color.
>>683536419>It was specifically Rafagon leaving Rennala that led to the Academy downfall.The Academy is better off for itAlso, don’t pretend she wouldn’t be extra mind broken, 3x over, just from looking at the state of her retarded children.
>>683471464kek i have seen some fucking people play while cooping. the average tarnished is weak as fuck
>>683536443>Azur was able to use them as the basis for evolving spells into comets once he learned Comet Not sure about that. It’s possible, but he could have also just started with the big Comet Azur. We can’t even assume that Pebble existed during the time of giants. They may have used completely different spells, as you see with the golems, which all use the same color as Founding Rain of Stars. It is likely they used blue magic, just like Lusat. Azur is turquoise, or blue-green, in comparison. Not sure.All I’m saying is the colours are important and it’s likely Azur had a hand in most of the turquoise spells we see. They’re too eerily like comets, however pale, so too.
>>683536712>the average tarnished is weak as fuckThis. They can reach the level of gods if they have the necessary tools/opportunity to take advantage of.
>>683472438the child that was created when Hoarah Loux had butt sex with that retarded lion perhaps
>>683536443>basic Glintstone Sorcery creates cosmic masses.All spells are living lifeforms if you pay attention, and what are stars here in this universe? Aliens. Bugs. Gods. Lifeforms. And then you remember that both Sellen and Ymir say that glinstone sorcery is the study of the stars, “and the life therein”. Even the moons, are low key intelligent.
>>683473847I'd give up sorcery to get fucked by Radagon too.
>>683536579Most of their retardation came as a result of Radagon leaving her though.
>>683471464Tarnished is immortalHe's not stronger, just more resilientYou can kill him a thousand times, but if he manages to get the drop on you once, you're done
>>683536443>They are merely rocksAll meteors are merely rocks. This is the ‘wisdom of stone’ we’re talking about.
>>683471092Mages are just the best, pleb
>>683536579The academy was plunged into researching rebirth and artificial humans, which is what incited the Cuckoo war. The academy had to walk back that shit and lock up Rennala over it.
>>683537254She got depressed. Then her tea servers casually told her “Your son got ate by a snek”, and she dropped her cup. Then a “Your other son got turned into a zombie” and she drops her cup again. THEN she is told “Your daughter just committed the big sudoku” and you think she wouldn’t drop her cup?She’s probably mind broken from several different tiers of pain, as she lost ALL of her family. Her sister probably didn’t visit either.
>>683536874It's possible, but I believe it's extremely likely that it was the ancient astrologer that discovered Founding Rain of Stars that devised Glintstone Pebble and it's other Glintstone Sorcery variants. They would comprise the most primitive, basic form of glintstone sorcery learned by would-be sorcerers while Founding Rain of Stars would be the highest primitive Glintstone Sorcery that they were capable of casting. I suspect the ones who were capable of casting Founding Rain of Stars were the craftsmen of the primitive glintstone sorcerers, using their understanding of the spell to infuse glintstone magic into Golems and giving them life, as well as the capability of channeling it.>>683537327And the shards are the most basic of rocks.
>>683537539Rykard let himmself get devoured by the gresr serpent in defiance see of Marika. Ranni offs herself because she hates the Golden Order which Radagon left their mother for. Radahn dies because he idolized his father and saw him self as the red Lion cub of the battlefield and he doubly idolized Godfrey.
>>683537569>I believe it's extremely likely that it was the ancient astrologer that discovered Founding Rain of Stars that devised Glintstone Pebble and it's other Glintstone Sorcery variantsYou can believe that, but there’s more in game, *visual* evidence to the contrary.And, again, the original astrologer was a giant, most likely, and the magic their toys are using aren’t turquoise—they’re blue. There are also sorcery variants that make use of faith and arcane (highly redundant word considering all magic is arcane), so I don’t think the original astrologer would be into that…HOWEVER, the nameless culture that built the divine towers also built the forge of the giants, and both appear to share heavy serpentine motives if you care to look closely—and what sorcery tradition makes use of faith + intelligence? Magma sorceries! Those of serpents. As well, the feathers on the primeval sorcerers also denote a time when birds (cuckoos in the sense of the sorcerer) symbolized death, and what did the old astrologers do when they got old? They would kill themselves as a form of rebirth, as Sellen did.— “The old sorcerers would slice open their hearts with these blades to imbue a primal glintstone with their soul, and thus did they die.”I’m not really agreeing with you regarding the turquoise nuance, but I’m not still not opposed to tossing a few lore tidbits that may affirm *your* particular stance in the lore, either. So cheers.
>>683473239this, basically
>>683538259I forgot to mention that death sorceries make use of faith + intelligence, as that is the link that intrigues me the most. Birds and such are linked to sorcerers, but also death, and death sorcery is a thing.
>>683538259but I’m still not opposed*
>>683473847Damn, guess you really can't trust a man not to break your heart.
>>683471092Moon magic nigga
>>683471464the literal first elden lord is also a tarnished you baboonthey even changed his name because he was a literal who from the badlands
>>683539264>the moon is more significant than deep space Bravo MiyazakiTruly you pulled a female logic
>>683538259Arcane in Elden Ring seems to be inherent divinity. You need to to commune (wound) with Formless Mother, derive power from consumed dragon flesh. It also resonates with Silver Tears.The fact that it's the only stat to raise holy defense and vitality (resistance to deathblight) says a lot about its nature.
>>683538259Works for me. I managed to establish the possibility that the basic Glintstone Shard spells could have predated Comet Azur and Stars of Ruin as spells.>>683538589Hm... considering Magma Sorceries and Death Sorceries/Necromancy bnoth use Int/Faith, and that both are described as ancient hexes... let's see.Glintstone Sorcery and it's offshoots are essentially manipulating cosmic life. The hexes of Gelmir and death/ghostflame might be divinely related... but the channeling of life is still present in the form of the vitality of the earth itself (magma sorceries often look like phenomena of volcanoes and lava) and the vitality of dead spirits (self-explanatory), so the practice of channeling cosmic vitality through glintstone is closer to how you channel hexes than incanting is.Also, now that sorcery and incantations have been revealed to be two sides of the same coin, it's possible that magma sorceries and death sorceries/necromancy and sorcerous catalysts was considered magic from the gods in ancient times and their utilizers were expected to be the community priest as well as the loremaster/scholar of their community.
>>683511020pope dog literally confirmed she was mind broken when radagon left her, even the item descriptions day her heart went with him, she's lost all will
>>683501829I'm guessing you don't question the whole "Marika gives you unlimited lives" thing the game is built around? The elden ring base game with the erdtree and the tarnished is cringe, the gospel coded dlc is based, and the only erdtree fag in it is a allegory for satan
>>683535778Isn't there also a way to kill yourself mid-jump down the lift shaft with the exploding physic tears to spawn in Leyndell?
>>683539767>the moon is more significant than vague nothing in spaceunless you are pointing to specific bodies in space then yeah, that is obvious
>>683522530Gods allow their bodies to be controlled by Outer Gods as seen in the case of Malenia, or the Elden Beast in the case of Marika and her spawn. The mages seek to understand the stars and don't let themselves be controlled by forces of nature.
>>683500719This is exaggerating.
>>683471464Zanzibart powers
>>683483706Mc rides into cailed
>>683541073>staring at the moon takes up more brain power than staring into deep spaceBRAVO MIYAZAKI
>>683539767The Serpent is deep space.
>>683471464You are a savior avatar ie Jesus
>>683541925What are you staring at in deep space? Elden Beast is a specific body, and its smaller than the moon. It's pointed out that all beings celestial or otherwise are Greater Will's children, this includes the moon.
I see I’m not the only one weirded out by the color of Comet Azur. There are NO green nebulae to be seen in the night sky, just one that looks like the founding rain of stars, which is the same color as stars of ruin. WHAT the fuck did Azur see?
>>683542194You’re still not getting it. Stay brain rotted by female brained logic, anon.
>>683532664>All sorcery is implied to be glinstone sorceryUhhhh Death, Volcano, Blood?
>>683474675>Still trash plotlineWhy? What makes it bad? Why is a bad thing happening to a character a trash plotline?It sounds like you have a weird hangup about it, especially since you're refering a fetish term like NTR.
>>683542194Anon, the Elden beast isn’t literally the Laniakea supercluster, it just looks like itRennala isn’t literally turning into the moon
>>683542381Blood sorcery and magma sorcery both use red glinstone in their staves. Yellow glinstone/amber is used in the death staff.
Fingers seemed to be able to have some manner of influence over Empyreans, and we learned that fingers are just humans who swallowed space parasites, and Carians seemed most associated with the Fingers, perhaps this is part of how there was a stalemate between the Golden Order for a bit.
>>683520925>no u!
>>683542689>humans who swallowed space parasitesSmoked finger shaped mushrooms actually Typical tranny behavior The idea that Ymir is turning into Fingers is hilarious to meNot sure if he’d turn into a meteor and land into another prospective Lands tho
>>683542381Manipulates lifeforce and vitality like the standard glintstone sorceries and offshoots do. There is more evidence that sorcerous catalysts work with blood/magma/death sorceries than incant catalysts do.>>683542689The Two Fingers and Fingercreepers are direct children of Metyr. The humans who swallowed space parasites likely evolved into the Lampreys that you see around the finger ruins.
>>683541972hmmm
>>683542986>ymir turns into a delusional tranny for finger parasites>pathetically tries to kill you when you find outIt was so funny when he invaded me. It was like fighting an angry 2 year-old.
>>683542986>>683543170Him turning violent literally ruined the quest for me. Why ruin his mystique like that? The guy is supposed to be the old teacher of Rellana, and presumably her sister by association. What the hell were they thinking? The text on his hat even implies moon magic isn’t all that.
>>683543170>>683543395Someone should make the tranny reveal meme but with Ymir.
Had a pretty good talk about our hypotheses on how glintstone sorceries as it is in present Elden Ring evolved. Would argue with you guys again.
>>683543027Much doubt that they are the lampreys, it's called FINGERprint nostrum."A secret medicine of those who attempt to turn their humanbodies into fingers. Ingesting causes something to wriggle within."The lampreys are likely just aliens who came down with the finger meteors and the Falling Star beast"Nailstone with shining fingerprints floating above. Craftable item. Uses FP to fling a magic nail that crumbles during flight. The lampreys that guard the finger ruins resemble fingers far more than they do humans, and so the finger-weavers imitated their sorcery.'Metyr can give birth to the multi fingered hands we know at the very least as we see in the boss fight but it seems humans can be straight up turned into finger creatures as well, as Ymir was attempting, he certainly did not become a lamprey. Metyr for all we know, started of looking more humanoid."A finger sorcery of Count Ymir, aspiring mother of fingers.Surrounds the caster with a mesh of hefty fingers that wards all manner of projectiles, whether magical or physical in nature, away from the caster. Charging enhances potency.The dear fingers look after their mother, or perhaps that is merely what the mother wishes to believe."
>>683498658>I know who you are, Messmer, but see I calls you MMmmm-ASSSmerWARRIOR
>>683544978I think Metyr looked like how she does when you foght her. Ymir attempted to turn himself into a Metyr knockoff than your run-of-the-mill finger.
>>683543170>"Iam the New Mother">Ok, Immediately Scarlet Aeonia his ass
>>683545260Sure, explain all the fingers around Caria Manor.
>>683543027>and FingercreepersI always thought they were trimmed off' FAMILYman, but OHNO they got shat out by a fucking ayylmao and some fuckers thought it'd be funny to put bling on them lil' grabblers
>>683533672I wasn’t talking to you anon
