How did action games go from this...
to THIS?https://www.youtube.com/shorts/l2GdT4JnNgE
>>683653807All God of War games have those quick time event cutscenes and the first GoW came out a few years after Ninja Gaiden.
>>683654458nah, old god of war looked like this
>>683653787Damn, this game sucks
>>683653787to THIS?
>>683653787What game>>683653807Ueah I never liked that marvel choreography stuff
Nerds said "Erm, where's the story??? This game had a good story, why can't this game focus on the story more?"
>>6836546181 and 2 absolutely did not look like that lmao, they were square square triangle fests. 3 elevated the combat significantly (while still not being on the level of the best Japanese action games).
>>683653787>constant execution mini-cutscenesPeople actually like this?Well it seems like they don't considering how tiny the Ninja Gaiden fanbase is.
>>683653787NG fags are a genuine plague on this god forsaken board.
>>683657067Fromfags*
>>683656509retardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGA7n2luIdM
>>683657067>>683657171both sniff their own farts
>>683657067Yeah, we actually talk about gameplay herethe horror
>>683657192>posts tutorial boss fightAnd all Ninja Gayden is Izuna drop spam that's literally the whole game LMAO
>>683657695It's literally the entire game retard
NG3 was a complete travesty.
>>683657741That's what I said. Ninja Gayden only has 1 move KEK.
>>683659040God of War PAIN is about 50x harder than anything you've ever done shitter
>>683659040This pic never made any sense because both games are dial-a-combo slop.
>>683659718NG isnt
>>683660118Yes it is. Call me when it gets a lock-on with directional inputs (not just forward btw) and delayed inputs/pause combos.
>>683660224Why do shitters always complain about having no lock-on
>>683660224You can delay everything in NG retard
>>683660328More control over combos and it allows for viable directional inputs. Action games without lock-ons are just 3D mashy brawlers. >>683660382You don't know what pause combos are. As expected of Ninja Dog.
>>683660224NG already has 360 moves as well as the ability to delay inputs ALONG with combos.
>>683660671You don't know what pause combos are. As expected of Ninja Dog.
>>683660671I mean with pause combos.
>>683660730Delaying attacks and pause combos aren't the same thing moron. Just another poser faggot that has no idea what he's talking about.
>>683653787>super fast paced game>shit camera angles>out of camera attacksWill japs ever learn how to use camera controls ever? Its over 20 years of hack/slasher dogshit and they never get that shit right.
Any recent 3rd person melee action games that don't use Souls or DMC combat?
>>683660819NG has both.
>>683653787square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square square
>>683659040>DUDE NINJA GAIDEN HAS SO MANY WEAPONS AND COMBOS>proceeds to spam UT over and over
>>683660224Blade of the Archfiend's mid-air Flying Swallow is a pause combo, isn't it?
>>683660912Pretty much. Good riddance to this brainless masher IP.
Best NG to play as a newfag who only played a tiny bit of one of the games at a family members house as a kid and got filtered asap?? Piracy and Emulation included (i have good specs)
>>683660990Sigma 1 Ignore blacked fags
>>683658123the first one was more of an action platformer than an action game
>>683656509He literally just showed you it looking like that. It's getting fuckin ridiculous that contrarians outright deny video evidence.
>>683660990Ninja Gaiden BLACKIgnore smegma fags
>>683661050>>683661246uh oh
>>683655290This came out the same year as DMCV
>>683660982Yes it is. Anon BTFO
>>683655290>someone was autistic enough to make this
>>683657067They're like RTSfags but for a single game series that an hero'd
>>683660990Black or Sigma is fine but Black is a little better.
>>683662481No it's not.
>>683657067"fags" is being generous, there's legitimately like one guy who's been spamming for years.
>>683654618GoW3 is the only game where they let you combo like this and there are are 6 "classic" GoWs
>like Ninja Gaiden>like classic God of War>like DMC >like Bayonetta>like God Hand>like Zone of the Enders 2>like Kingdom Hearts>like TWEWY>like Shinobi>like Onimusha >have to see dumbasses post bait and downplay the other franchises’ strengths multiple times just to prop up their own It’s all so tiresome
>>683664461This shit has gotten as bad as console wars, it’s nuts.
what's the most recent fun action game?
>>683664461>>683664494Fence-sitting centrist cucks. Fuck off.
>>683660224Ninja Gaiden was able to add forward, back, 360, and running attacks WITHOUT lock-on AND having light and heavy attacks (that aren't locked behind a "style")IN 2004DMC3 came out in 2005DMC4 came out in 2008 and instead of fixing ANY issues with it's retarded input layout, they compounded the issue. Then Bayonetta came out a year later and completely crushed it by having EVERYTHING in DMC4 Dantes moveset and more, yes that includes a royalguard/parry input, WITHOUT the need for lock-on. Lock-on still exists but it's use is superfluous, only actually being used to activate witch spear (teleport) and, at least in bayo 1, one of Shuraba's attacks. The state of DMCs controls are absolutely embarrassing but they'll never change because DMCtards think it's oh so fucking epic to hear dante go >le SWOR-TRI-SWORD XD
>>683664764Anon, just because you’re autistic and only play one game series doesn’t mean that you can just project like that.
>>683664853Filtered
There's only two people who cause these autistic shitflinging "wars" between action game series>shitposters that literally don't even play the games>people who are upset when anything negative is said about series they like so they'll deflect by shitting on other action gamesIgnore anyone that randomly starts comparing series with a heavy bias (since every action game plays significantly different) and these threads will be much nicer
>>683653787rpg retards think attacking enemies in any games work the same way
>>683664461>>like Ninja Gaiden>>like classic God of War>>like DMC>>like Bayonetta>>like God Handcare to back it up with your own gameplay or you are just another poser?
>>683664853> Bayonetta came out a year later and completely crushed it by having EVERYTHING in DMC4 Dantes moveset and more, yes that includes a royalguard/parry inputwith none of DMC's depth. truly impressive
>>683654618looks like shitjust stunlocking enemies until they're dead is completely non threatening and hardly more gameplay than a walking simulator
>>683665709Depth such as? >inb4 inertiatroon
>>683665989You do realize that’s a training room, right?
>>683665520no I in fact do not think he's going to spend 5 posts posting webms of his gameplay to prove to some random schizo who thinks he's lying for no reason that he's played the games he says he played
>>683653787>Using ninja gaiden 3 as an example of anythingYeah, I'm out. Have fun with your shitty bait thread.
>>683653807NG3 is literally chock-damn-full of goddamn QTEs, you stupid asshole. Also your video sucks ass.
>>683666172Razor's Edge is a good action game. And normal people are tired of pretending otherwise.
>>683666232Razor's Edge removes QTEs.
>>683666390bullshit, also the game is full of kunai climbing. Remember how cool and fast ninja flipping between two walls was in NG 1 and 2...yeah fuck you replace that with slow and boring kunai climbing that you can only do at kunai climbing specific walls. What were they thinking..?
>>683653787Such spastic garbage, no flow whatsoever.
>>683665732>>683665908Lmao this is so shit>it's le stoic and serious soldier meets a kid for the first time in his life, gets attached and ends up having to save them from danger leading him to learn to care for other peopleSuch a staple cliché. And it still isn't enough to give Ryu a glimpse of a personality lmao
>>683666983t. shitter
>>683655390I stood my ground saying story didn't fucking matter and that gameplay was king.Then everything became movie games and all I can do is bitch that the story sucks because there isn't a "game" anymore.
>>683653787Looks like an autistic hyperactive mess.I love action games but prefer things slower and more methodical. These things need to have a sense of weight and impact to them.
>>683665732>forced walking section in an action gameTeam Ninja was so fucking retarded
>>683666390Bosses have multiple QTEs
>>683667627>posting the shitter version of the clone that a child could beatIt still pales in comparison to the dopplegangers in Black. That was peak action game design.
>>683666317It's mediocre. And simply worse than the first two games.
>>683667867How slow is your brain that this is hyperactive to you
>>683660224>Making more complicated control schemes arbitrarily will make the game better because... it just will ok!?
>>683668160Not him but he's right, NG3RE's pace is pretty nuts.
>>683655290>action game requires the right buttons to be pressed at the right momentwoooooow
>>683653787>people unironically miss this childish edgy shit
>>683653787to this
>>683666059RG:>lets you choose between a guard and a release at all times>works in conjuction with your movement such as jumping and rolling (in 3) both for easier execution and finer positioning (ie https://youtu.be/b3PLU2jRI8M?t=26)>royal release can be used on whoever ure locked on to >guard acts as a tool for animation cancelsall thanks to its control scheme"RG at home":>can just mash the stick mindlessly for regular blocks>perfect block (parry) can only be used in the direction an attack came from>contradicts the shitty design of bayonetta where the player is supposed to maintain the string at all costs to get to the wicked weaves by far the shallowest & most imbecilic implementation of a block mechanic in any action game ever
>>683669375just cringe millennials being nostalgic again
>>683653787>No Rachel>Barely any demons to fightWhat the fuck were they thinking?
>>683669329No other real action game is a literal rhythm game with fancy animations
>>683665520I have no idea what you're trying to prove
>>683669852Took you over an hour to type this? Sure hope you managed to record some gameplay.
>>683653787>After coming from fixed camera games, go through a lot of effort to design the camera and test it in different scenarios, the player is free to use the face buttons all the time>After coming from 3rd person cover based shooter slop, turn the player into the cameraman and maybe include half-assed Z-targeting that the player has to disengage half the time, the player can never be assumed to be able to use the face buttons so all generalist actions are on the triggersDual analog was a fucking mistake, devs and managers just used it to cut costs and test cases. Hardware devs should've taken notes from 6th gen Nintendo and reduced the right stick to a thinkpad nipple to prevent devs and managers from leaning on it so much.>>683655390The story is the game.
>>683669943No I am just a random guy browsing the thread and your comment really made me scratch my head
>>683669984Just dont understand the logic behind being a fencesitting poser on 4chan of all places.
Ryu culo. That's the post.
>>683670879
>>683671021Ryu's sweaty pits and abs... just imagine the sight.
>>683669712Nigger you could make that DDR overlay for literally any game. It's not a good argument.
>>683669536>contradicts the design where the player is supposed to maintain the stringthat's the balancing factor for them being so easy to perform. it makes standard blocks an emergency option
>action gamesUseless monicker, that includes thousands of wildly varying games.Souls games are adventure games, while shit like NG/DMC are closer to beat em ups than anything else.They have basically no level design to speak of. You just defeat a wave of enemies until you can go forward. It's like comparing Zelda 2 to Golden Axe.I've never played DMC but I've played X-Blades which is DMC like, and to compare that to Souls is absurd.
>>683653787autistic zoomer spergy trash>>683653807also pretty autistic but much, much bettershit thread, OP
>>683653807>youtube shartshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2GdT4JnNgEfixed
>>683671341headcanon. otherwise perfect blocks would keep the current string intact.
>>683661207the video is from GOW3.
>>683672259perfect parry rewards you with a counterattack.
>>683664070>there are are 6 "classic" GoWsthere are 5. ascension does not count.
>>683669375cool, fun games = edgy = childishadults only play madden
>>683653787for me it's the Episode Duscae Demo
Should I grab Ninja Gaiden Black on my Xbox?
>>683669329>b-but muh player expression! Playing action games is an art!
Although I still love team ninja game, but can they make ninja gaiden 4
i always thought the original soi of war games were mediocre, third worlders love them because of their shitty violent nature but the new God of War has better gameplay.
This thread convinced me to buy Ninja Gaiden (it was on sale on PSN)It is extremely slow and clumsy, borderline tank controls, and you need to do fighting game moves for basic attacks. The horserider boss walled me completely and when I died the game made fun of me for switching to easy/v/ contrarians tricked me again. I bet none of you even played the game just watched a letsplay 15 years ago
>>683653807God of war is actually good thoI expected zenless or something lol
>>683654618>half the webm are just quick time eventslmao
>>683664461mixed player who enjoys all the games? based.
>>683661520and DMC 3 came out 20 years ago and wipes the floor with both
>>683655290the moment I realized dark souls was just slowed down 6th gen action adventure combat and was called "hard", I realized shitters were the new videogame demographic
>>683677084>Qtes are badYou are literally repeating memes invented by games journalists who were bad at videogamesSo much for the “superior” hardcore gamer, eats up all propaganda without thinking
>>683677331QTEs are bad and journalist are the ones that pushed them you dumb nigger cattle
>>683677376Games journalists complained 24/7 about QTEs being too hard (most famously for Bayonetta and classic God of War) and now celebrate “Slow time events” like in nu-GoW where the game waits forever for you to press a button
>>683669536Almost like the parry in bayonetta is literally just an accessory you can equip. The entire main point is that bayonetta still has a parry without having to twist it's back to create a way to input it. >perfect block (parry) can only be used in the direction an attack came fromdunno why you say it like that's a bad thing, it literally just means it takes more skill to use. >contradicts the shitty design of bayonetta where the player is supposed to maintain the string at all costs to get to the wicked weavesparrying will interrupt an enemies string and give you magic orbs, if you get a perfect parry you're rewarded with more magic and get an extended witch time (except on NSIC) and in case you forgot, magic lets you perform wicked weaves instantly without having to use a combo finisher.It's an optional, skillful playstyle that doesn't really hurt the core gameplay and lets you do things you normally could never do.
>>683677786not that anon, but i want examples. i remember everyone, journos and non journos alike, complaining about QTEs (your "slow time events" are also QTEs btw) because they ripped you out of the game for a prescripted animation that felt like it removed agency and changed the playstyle in unfavourable ways. players would prefer to be running around and button mashing than watching an animation and waiting for a prompt.
>>683673490>PSP games count but not the final GoW game before the soft reboot??? I mean the game is shit but that doesn't mean it doesn't have classic GoW gameplay.
>>683659040>Jump then x-x-x-yRyu is retarded. Whats that meant to achieve? Kratos had the right idea. He was trying to do X Y X X X Y and ryu wouldn't let him.
>>683677971Yeah, that was the pretentious explanation, but deep down they hated them for being difficult and giving them “””unfair””” deaths
>>683657067Character action game fags you meanobsession with combos in single player games will always be the gayest goddamn thing.
>>683677786haha yeah totally my dude frfrold god of war is bussing
>>683678154>no examples>projectingyes, you aren't pretentious at all. it's all the players who are.
>>683677786I unironically love bayonetta's QTEs and anybody that hates them has no soul.And you're right. People like to say they hate QTEs because they take control away main control from the player or whatever but then everyone claps when you have an extended cutscene where your character fights without your control. Some modern games still have QTEs too except they'll usually give "accessibility" options to turn them off or make them easier and as a result, no one brings them up even though those sequences still take away control from the player. >j-j-just don't add sequences like thatEvery action game has cool sequences where your character does cool shit in a cinematic nature. Every single one. https://youtu.be/QgDcaKjz9ks?si=QlkFRm7PJE3TwVQJ&t=1149Would you bitch if this scene was turned into a QTE? Yes? Then the complaint isn't that the game takes control away from the player.
>>683677331QTEs are FAKE GAMEPLAY. you're watching a predetermined cutscene. the button you're mashing doesn't cause that animation (as it would in normal gameplay), it merely keeps the cutscene going. fail to mash the required button and the cutscene transitions into fail mode (reset to checkpoint, loss of health, repeat of a boss phase, opportunity for context sensitive action missed etc). it's dishonest game design and fittingly you are dishonest in your attempt to defend it. I don't remember journalists ever calling QTEs too hard. that's a bizarre strawman. QTEs are typically quite easy, always have been. what everyone has always hated about QTEs is that they are the worst of both worlds:>not fun like the gameplay because you're not really in control of what happens. you're a slave ordered to press exactly these buttons, else you'll be punished.>also not enjoyable to watch because you can't sit back and get immersed in the cutscene, as you need to be focused on the button prompts rather than the action on screen.if you wish video games were movies you'd want more cutscenes, not more QTEs. and if you actually like video games you wish there was more gameplay, not more QTEs.there is no defense of QTEs, they are simply always shit, no exception.
>>683665989dmcbros.. i think we're cooked..
dmcv is trash
>>683653787>NG3No thanks
>>683679620Razor's Edge is good
>>683659040This shit makes no sense. Jump XXXY doesn't do anything in NG1 or 2. Was this meant to be XXY(hold) XXY?
>>683665520>recording your gameplayi don't have anything to prove, fuck you. i play game and talk about game. i don't need to post videos of me playing game to prove to some random retard that i played. kill yourself.
>>683653787who the fuck plays this dogshit ADHD zoom zoom swish boom bang light trails and particle effects vomit? i'd rather play fucking cadillacs and dinosaurs for 10 hours than spend 2 minutes with this trash.
>>683680550what do you play? cod? fifa? four niggas in a row? just curious.
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>>683653787>>683679861Curious how these webms never show any fights against the RE exclusive monsters, or Alchemists. I wonder why...
>>683679337As a DMC1/3SE/4/4SE fag, I agree
>>683664461I only ever see ng fags attacking other franchises. I'm convinced it's one autistic dude.
>>683680773>only betheslop in the last 4 monthsyou have no place criticizing ninja gaiden.
>>683681057It is. It's the dude who always posts Dead or Alive screenshots. He's a SEAmonkey who's admitted to being into blacked before. I'm sure someone's got the screencap.
>>683681274BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING ELSE! EVERY SINGLE FUCKING GAME THAT COMES OUT IS UNFINISHED AND BROKEN OR IN FUCKING EARLY ACCESS WHICH IS ABOUT THE SAME! AND THEN THE DEVS SPEND THE NEXT 5 FUCKING YEARS FIXING THE GAME SO THEIR GAME ISN'T ACTUALLY RELEASED YET, IT'S STILL DEEP IN DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS A REAL FUCKING PROBLEM FOR ME BECAUSE I FUCKING HATE RETURNING TO A GAME JUST TO SEE WHAT THEY MIGHT HAVE FIXED IN THE LAST YEAR.
>>683670658>if you say you like more than one game youre a fencesitter because you HAVE to only like one gamewtf is wrong with you
>>683677275holy shit those animations are bad
>>683681490you haven't even been working through a backlog or anything. fallout 4 is absolute garbage and skyrim is only okay at best. like, you say all that shit but i can see right there that you aren't even playing anything else, so how can you make the claims? it looks to me like you just don't actually like videogames.
>>683679861Why do they keep adding a ton of girls to the games instead of just adding one and giving her multiple weapons? Especially for challenge mode its stupid>do you want to play as ryu, with 8 different weapons>ORRRR>play as a girl with only a single weapon
>>683679861No it is not only Itagaki knew how to make Ninja Gaiden in 3D.>>683681976They should have their own separate campaigns. The girls are from DOA and they function like simple extras yet because these games were not developed by Itagaki you get the BS you described.
>>683682303>>They should have their own separate campaigns.That, and it should be a single girl. Just take rachel or ayane (or kasumi since they're pushing her as the main girl now) and give her a few weapons. Not ryu's weapons, but new ones. Then give them their own storymode. Later if you completed both ryu's path and whatever's path you can play them in eachother's routes. The current implementation just sucks. You dont spend enough time with them to get used to their moveset. Their chapters interrupt ryu's story, and they are useless in the challenge modes since you lack the flexibility ryu brings to the table. Just an idea I had for ayane>handmounted crossbow, can be shot quickly but the reload animation is slow. >regular kunai, stronger shuriken>explosive kunai, same as explosive shuriken>twin swords she already has>some whip weapon>spear, includes moves where she stabs it in the ground and swings around it kicking everyone away and moves like a poledancer>giant shakram she can swing around and slam into people, slow heavy weapon
>>683681842>you haven't even been working through a backlog or anything.Because i don't have a backlog. I only buy games when i want to play them or that i have already pirated. For example i pirated RE2make because i heard it runs like ass, then i finished it and it was fine and later i bought it. Like my actual "backlog" consists of trash like Amnesia 2, Syberia, Layers of Fear, The Bureau XCOM, Homefront and other shit i picked up from free bundles just because they were free. But the games that i actually buy i play right away. Pic related are the games i actually find interesting enough to at least keep an eye on and probably buy when they are actually done and complete.
>>683664853>crapcum>retardedno way...
This weird new crop of NGfags/Electric Underground spamming faggots are nothing to the sheer autism that was KH2FM SchizoHe was fucking unstoppable
>>683682824there are tons of games you can play, you're just being a bitch about it. why aren;t you playing dark and darker, it says "play now" right there. also, most of those look awful, state of decay 3? really? did you even play the second? shit was awful. first was much better.
>>683653787its sad right? Razors Edge is literally peak gaming action but people couldn't handle it, claimed it was the games fault and now ignore it. people cried and cried until they slowed it down til souls now thats all we get, games for mollases brains.
i mean the closest thing we had in the past 5 to 10 years is viola from bayo3 and they crapped on her too so we know what the issue is. what can you do?
>>683684065I only play games that are done and finished because i don't like replaying games. Like just in general, i don't replay games. Only notable exceptions would stuff i played like 20 years ago that i have mostly forgotten like Red Faction or Undying or Nightmare Creatures and the other exception is Bethesda games because there are a million mods that completely overhaul the game so it's never the same.
>>683684367dark and darker is something that is not going to be done for years and years, though, and when that happens there are likely to be less people playing? i don't get why you would wishlist it but then have this attitude.>Bethesda games because there are a million mods that completely overhaul the game so it's never the same.but game updates to a multiplayer dungeon crawler like dark and darker would do this, no? change the game and give you reason to keep coming back?
>>683684147>>>>>>>peak gaming >mandatory walking segments >bosses from older games but with broken AI >teleport dodge sometimes straight up does not work against certain attacks>de-limb rate for Alchemists on Ultimate Ninja>most efficient way to play is to spam SoB (you can consistently bait red attacks by using the self heal ability)When RE is good, it's GOOD, frantic, challenging, with absolutely relentless enemies. But a lot of the times it's average and a lot of times it's awful.
Would have to agree with other anon, when RE is good, it's genuinely the pinnacle of action gamingBut there are times when it's absolute garbage, but NG is a mixed series in every game
>>683684536>dark and darker is something that is not going to be done for years and yearsSystems, dungeons and gear will change but the loop will, probably, still be the same. For example let's say i would have played the first alpha i would have hated the game because it was super bare bones, now i would have to play it again because it's more fleshed out but as soon as the novelty of that wears off i would quit again. I know myself well enough to know that as soon as i've seen the interesting stuff once(maybe twice) i quit. So i figure that if i wait until the game is as close to complete as possible i will have seen the best it has to offer.The game that is, probably, next on the replay block is Witcher 3 because there is now a mod that allows me to play as a different character completely voiced(but same dialogue) and animated so as soon as that whole mod scene develops(maybe in a year) with a couple more mods on that level i might start that project.As much as i hate the company, Capcom are the only ones that push out finished games. DD2 might get a proper expansion but for now it's done.
>>683681490Indies.
>>683653787>people autistically replay sections of single player game countless times to the point they can choreograph fluid actions like this to make a game look EBIN>a majority of people will play through a single player game once then never touch it again, clunkily getting through sections of the game in order to complete it
>>683685093Oh you mean games that sit forever in early access in the hopes that it sells well enough to fund the rest of the development and if it doesn't they just abandon the game?
>>683674374this particle goo makes me physically ill
Why does Ryu Hayabusa have brown hair and blue eyes if he’s an Asian man?
>>683685130It's called replayability.Only good games have it.
>>683685028honestly? you sound gay. far too worried about minmaxing your enjoyment of a game that you'll never actually enjoy the games in the moment that you are playing them.>next on the replay block is Witcher 3very gay of you, absolutely terrible "game". talk to me when there is a mod that lets me skip the shitty wannabe arkham game design with the terrible horse sections from red dead and some of the worst inventory management i've ever had to sit through. when there's a mod that turns it into a telltale game or a supermassive game, then i will finally finish it. combat in OP's webm is FAR better than the shit they've got in witcher 3.>>683685153play noita.
>>683660860Part of NG is learning to manipulate the camera. It's intended design.
>>683660912They block in Ninja Gaiden if you just try to press square.
>>683685028what are your thoughts on the first deus ex?
>>683655290Sekiro just makes me wish I was playing Hi Fi instead. What a fucking snoozefest of a combat system.
>>683684147>Razors Edge is literally peak gaming actionYou mean NG2
>>683687441Reddit: the game
>>683687441Colour coded enemies lol, toddler game design
>>683687081Now? With how mundane and generic government conspiracy theories involving, especially involving shadow organizations are, rather boring. But back then it was the shit. Especially as a kid all that stuff was new and exciting and the presentation of a voiced main character and cut scenes and choices with consequences was mind blowing.
>>683655290A massive improvement over Ninja Gaiden 3 which was so bad it killed the series.
>>683669329>>683671293>It's not a good argument.it is, because sekiro's combat is just "simon says" shitthe player has no real agency in how he can tackle combat challenges
>>683681976to be fair 3RE's girls are actually great. altho that feeling is most likely due to ryu himself being so fucking awful in this game
>>683653807Why would anyone go out of their way to make a video a ugly and unwatchable as possible before uploading it for views?
>>683688862I only like Ayane. Kasumi's attacks feel like a wet noodle and Momiji is too slow
>>683688862Dont misunderstand. I like the girls and how they play, it's just that they feel like selecting a single new weapon instead of another character. And I dont just talk about NGRE, it's the same with sigma 1/2. Its especially glaring with ayane in S2. She has very weak but fasthitting weapons, but they put her against wolves. It feels like your chopping down logs with a butterknife, unless you spam UTs. If she had more weapons you could at least whip out a heavy weapon to kill the werewolves.
>>683653787
>>683688160interesting. and how do you feel about the following>hollow knight>death stranding>outer wilds>fear and hunger 2
>>683689404>NGB>mediocre soundtrackOpinion discarded
i want nioh 3
>>683689435The only title on that list that was ever relevant to me was Death Stranding until i watched some actual gameplay. The others i barely know of. Isn't Hollow Knight a proc gen side scroller? Outer Wilds is that indie skyrim and fear and hunger is some crafting survival game?
>>683689548>I want [shitty action RPG]You Soulsfags are cancer
>>683689836why wouldnt i want [shitty action RPG]?what are YOU waiting on? what do you fucking play RIGHT NOW?you won't answer
>>683689767aight, just checking. anyways, hollow knight is a metroidvania, map is always the same. outer wilds is a walking sim/puzzle game where you explore a small solar system and the sun goes super nova and blows up every 22 minutes and you loop to the start again. fear and hunger is a turn based game, got pretty big for such a small indie title, don't really know much about it other than it is fairly grim.
>>683683943what was up with him?
>>683679337>literally the best DMC game to date gameplay wise>random thirdie on the internet: heh this is shit
>>683690618>the best DMC game to date gameplay wiseHow to spot a poser
>>6836906184 completely mogs it but you're a shitter that can't handle its complex mechanics so you wouldn't know
>>683690618>inb4 inertia
DMC1, 3, 4, and 5 are all great games. we don't need to get into retarded shitflinging matches over which one is the best and how anyone who disagrees is a shitter.
>>683653807That qte looked lame as fuck compared to old god of war.I want more QTE games instead of more soulslikes.Literally give me another Asura's wrath. Please. Cyber connect 2 I beg you. Stop making furry garbage and make 3d anime kino.
>>683690761>>683690827DMC4 is trash kill yourself contrarians
>>6836909345 shit on the series so no.
The problem with action games are the fact their fans have shit taste the most popular one DMC is the worst one it's a boring punching bag simulator without any challenge the first dmc v playthrough is unironically easier than the majority of western games nobody wants to replay the same game multiple times just to get a semblance of challenge and dmc has nothing else except the combat, dogshit mission design, dogshit story, dogshit exploration, dogshit artstyle Action games can only get away with just good combat if they're as good as god hand in terms of challenge and combatHere's what an ideal action game should have>Dark souls 1 level design>Sekiro difficulty and human bosses>monster hunter monster bosses>Bayonetta combos and dodge offsett>W101 drawing mechanic for magic >mini games and fun challenges to add variety
>>683691068If my action game idea were to ever get made it would be an instant classic
>>683690934Only people who have never replayed 1 say it's good.
>>683691068>dark souls 1 level designgay baby shit where you run back everywhere for 20 souls>sekiro difficulty and human bossesrhythm gayme trash that's not even hard>monster hunter monster bossesretards who swing once and wiggle their toes for 5 minutes>bayonetta combosretard button mash women shit>w101 drawingwagglan crap for nintentoddlers>mini gamesbecause the base game is so shit you need to distract yourself from itKILL yourself.
>>683691068God Hand is mediocre crap
>>683681976Without instant weapon switching, multiple weapons are superfluous.
>>683691260i played the whole series a year ago. 1 is still good.
>>683691297>>683691448i understand you're losers irl and the only power you have is juggling punching bags that can't fight back but pls dmcfags stop embarrassing yourselves
I want a monhun action game.
>>683691068>Sekiro difficulty>difficultydamn i didn't know snoy movies are Sekiro-like
>>683691068Action games need characters to interact with and side quests to do. Just running through a linear area and fighting enemies in a closed off arena every 20 seconds gets boring after a while. Nioh has the right idea.
>>683691827>Action games need characters to interact with and side quests to do
>>683691068replace Shitkiro with MGR difficulty and i might even agree
>>683653807this goes pretty hard
>>683692031fr fr shits lit no cap
>>683691703What game would you say more difficult without being unfair? like when you die it's 100% your fault.>>683691827>Action games need characters to interact with and side quests to doNah i think they need exploration and actual level and mission design>Nioh has the right idea.Nope, i liked the combat but i dropped both games of the dogshit level and mission design and lack of variety in enemies.>>683691993I don't remember mgr being difficult at all and i don't think the combat was that good it was hard carried by the characters and the music.
>>683691993>MGR>difficult LMAO
>>683692179in comparison to Kekiro on Revengeance difficulty? yep
>>683654618>hit sandbag into the air>hit it with light pokes so that it levitates there>but you get a combo/style meter so it's heckin' badass!I don't get people who like DMC/slop from Platinum/etc.
>>683692385You tell them NGsister
>>683653787Just play Monster Hunter if you want good modern action games
>>683653787To this
>both DMC and NG are dead>still endless shitposting about which corpse is betterEven UTfags and quakefags stopped fighting at some point
>>683692991they did?
>>683692991>DMC got the best game in the series 5 years ago and is loved by everybody>NG has been dead in the water for 12 years because 3 was such a travesty that it killed the series for goodSure
>>683692991>DMC6 is coming>DMC is le dead...lmao
>>683693152when is the last time you've seen one?
>>683693713Probably the last time there was a thread where OP boasted about playing arena shooters...
>>683692991>DMC is deadYou don't actually believe that
>>683677331deranged post thought up by a schizophrenic>>683677786pic related
>>683669536MGS5 felt bad to play and I even had a turbo mod.
>>683693320>>DMC got the best game in the series 5 years ago and is loved by everybodySincerely kill yourself
>>683688623another fucking retard who only used the light attack forgetting the skill system, item system, prosthetic system... lo and fucking behold the average fucking retard human who thinks their stupid observation holds any fucking water. so fucking tired of you fucking braincucks
>>683695662>use prosthetics>run out 1/4 of the way through the fight because the devs are retarded and limited it too hard
>>683669952What an impressively stupid post.
>>683653787Old action games are so boring, it’s hilarious how they managed to get converted into gacha games with literally zero changes or simplification of gameplay needed (see DMC: “Peak” of Combat on the appstore). It feels wrong calling complex action games like Dark Souls action games, since that implies that shit like DMC is even on the same level.
>>683692031no it doesn't
>>683653787Action RPGs are the future grandpa. They offer more depth and variety than these old games ever could.
>>683694823>mgs5>turbowhat the hell do you need turbo for in mgs5? are you in the right thread?
>>683696380>(see DMC: “Peak” of Combat on the appstore)are you really so retarded that you are claiming an ios combat system is the same as that with a controller?
>>683696729Phones are controllers nowadays
>>683696764
>>683695662>skill system, item system, prosthetic systemwhich are all absurdly limited and even worse is that a significant amount of them are super specific in their utilityhonestly, imo they mostly seem to be a crutch than an actual core component of the combat
>>683659040So xcucks sucked before snoys? what's your point?
>>683696729He said Dark Souls is complex. He's either trolling or legitimately retarded.
>>683653807>shortsfuck off zoomer
>>683696931Limitations are precisely what makes combat engaging.
>>683696662DMC5. I have PTSD from both games.
>>683653787Spastic ADHD action games are lame and I'm glad they're getting phased out.
>>683695662>another fucking retard who only used the light attack forgetting the skill system, item system, prosthetic systemYeah everyone forgot about that because it's fucking pointless. Unless you set yourself an arbitrary goal of using a certain prosthetic or item in a bossfight there's really no reason to do so. The bosses are easy enough as is, I don't need to find a way to make them even easier.
>>683692990that's a beatemup
every boss in this genre suckshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFPRv5Q4REY&ab_channel=jelome1989vergil is the worst
>>683697340>I have no idea what I'm talking about but will parrot the video essays I watch anyway
>>683697918Nioh has good bosses
For me it's The Wonderful 101 - the thinking man's action game.
>>683697494It's okay Fromdrone it's not your fault you have zero reflexes. Go back to your rollslop and ignore all the people laughing at you.
>>683698080>isometric shitHard pass
>>683698181Radahn is harder and requires more reflexes than any Ninja Gaiden or DMC boss
>>683697918Hard disagree
>>683698364The dopplegangers in Black are the only good bosses in the entire series. NG is such trash.
>>683698181>zero reflexesyou dont need reflexes to beat dmc or ng
>>683698364https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9qUS9uLN1s&ab_channel=Retrbunnyyou dont play these games
>>683695662most of the skills are literally useless because the enemies are either too quick or simply not build for it so in the end its simply better to just smash the attack buttonNot to mention prosthetics which out of all of them only like 2 are viable
>>683698181mindbroken by FromGOD so hard he is seeing them everywhere lmao
>emulating ngb>having a great time early-mid game>hate the platforming sections>fucking hate that 2nd alma fight and those bosses with very fast grab animations>encounter THISman what the fuck even is this game
>>683699249cockball tortureI sincerely never really liked a single NGThey are just not fun games
>>683699249Use the flails. You're gonna get fucked by those little shits if you don't.
>>683697986>nooooo let me spam my ultimate moves with no cost aside from maaaaaaybe a 5 second cooldownCapcomfags, not even once. Also,>because I can’t understand your post, a video essay person MUST have planted it in your head!LOL
>>683697340limitations are only good if they enchance some other elements that are more important to game at handaction combat is fundamentally about making the best possible sequence choices within the pressure of short time frametherefore these games benefit from the player, at given moment, having multiple choices of action - each with their own distinct properties, risks and rewards I particurlarly like games whose moves to have little redundancy between them, which why I gravitate more towards games DMC and not yellow pages dial-a-combo like Bayo (though I still enjoy the latter if the design is fundamentally good)in Sekiro, for most of the game, your only choices are pretty much: "either execute this specific move or die"that's not a choice, it's a "simon says" ultimatumand the skills and prosthetics do not alleviate this problem, in fact in some fights they are the less pratical action to take
>>683698364>boss doppelgänger that uses the player moveset >turns the enemy player into a helpless sandbag that they effortlessly juggle combo until death with zero interaction whatsoever…And you still don’t get why these games are boring? The boss is right there, doing exactly what you do to every enemy in the game. The devs are trying to spell it out for you by having you on the receiving end.
>>683698080i enjoyed it but it is easily among platinum's worst action games. it's got better gameplay than nier automata, and i haven't played babylon's fall, but otherwise it is mogged by prtty much every other platinum game.
>>683659040actually the combo makes sense because if you xxx yyy xxx and yyy then you will be sucked
>>683700526>risksthere are no risks or danger in the dmc gamesi dont like fromsoftware games but i dont like dmc either
>>683655290the webm that destroyed fromdrones
>>683683728>no argumentdamn he must be completely right then
>>683691068>These games are good at very specific things because the game is more or less designed entirely around it>Now lets mash all of those things togetherI genuinely can't tell if your post is bait or not. GENUINELY. If you posted this maybe 10 years ago, I would automatically assume it's bait even disregarding the "sekiro difficulty" bit but this is modern /v/ where retards like this actually exist.
>>683655390I really need to emulate gow 1 and 2 for old times sake. I never even played 3.
>>683698364Damaging example if you really disagree.
Platinum is shit and always has been and I'm glad Trannyetta 3 killed Kamiya's career for good. Get screwed losers.
>>683679861to be honest even though ninja gaiden's combat is very good, every game after 1 is just kinda bland because the combat is ALL there is. ninja gaiden 2 is essentially just 1 big combat room after another and 3 and razor's edge even more so. they lack a lot of that feeling of adventure and level design that you will find in other games, even games with objectively shitty combat like sekiro's. i'd also say that they leaned too much into the flashy combat shit, like everything is just an endless barrage a barrage of special effects, dashes and projectiles, and the enemies are usually nonsensical and retarded instead of intriguing and scary like in 1.the original ninja gaiden is definitely the best game in the series and hasn't been topped since. it plays like an actual video game with a believable world to explore and story to follow. i'd say sigma is the best but it adds the retarded rachel missions for no reason so black is probably the best
>>683700721>…And you still don’t get why these games are boring?You're just dumb actually
>>683699249Platforming breaks up the action (and most big sections have skips. The arena you fight normal doku in for example can be done without pulling a single lever).second alma is kino. The game literally tells you how to deal with the ghostfish. Ayane throws a kunai letter at you when you first see them. All you have to do is use your flails and jump straight up to prevent from finishing the basic string and opening yourself up to them.
>Sekiro still living rent free in the DMCV redditors head for over 5 yearskekaroo
>>683701864So true oomfie, i'm glad there are so many other great devs creating action games such as....such as....
>>683701534Speaking of bait
>>683699249The ghost fish are only an issue in NG2004 where they didn't tell you directly how to beat them.
>>683702021>Platforming breaks up the action>in an action gameThis is always a bad thing
>>683702056Genshin Impact and Hoyoverse
Sekiro mogs everything else.Show me a single game that has better action combat than this. I dare you.
>>683655390Remember as a child I complained about GoW 1 unskippable cutscene a lotThings became so much worse
Why did her games fail?
>>683667612yeah NG3 is specifically the corridor walk "story heavy" shit game of the series
>>683689480i don't remember a single song from ng2 or ng3 but a lot of the ng1 still sticks in my head 20 years later. the main theme is great and i like a lot of the boss themeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O1Al8A_TpYi love this boss was just "lol just fight these two t80s by firing APFSDS cores at them". i love that the first ninja gaiden had magical ninja bullshit but still felt fairly grounded like thattoxic waste is also goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvGatp0vgUU
>>683702512They weren't good and Nintendo fans don't like action games. Bayo 3 got outsold by stellar blade.
>>683702512Nobody wants to play with a roastie
>>683698491Dokku is great too
>>683653787Character action games just have a vile aura to them. Unlike beat-em-ups like Castle Crashers which have a pure, whimsical air to them.
>>683702512Forced witch time. Only the first game is good because that retarded mechanic gets disabled.
>>683702512Kamiya makes more misses than his fans want you to believe.
>>683702438KysCool mod though
>>683702438>Show me a single game that has better action combat than this. I dare you.try this on for sizehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lYsNQH8JoY
>>683691068>>monster hunter monster bossesMH bosses work because, at least for every game besides GU and Rise, you have very limited movement options and high commitment with your attacks. There's a lot of skill in how you maneuver yourself and aim your attacks because of how slow your movement is. Beating a monster fast requires a lot of studying of the bosses attacks and having really good timing and spacing to hit it's weakpoints consistently....well unless you're a nigger bow or gun user that is. >Sekiro difficulty and human bossesThe only thing I can imagine you're saying with this is that you think sekiro baseline gameplay is "difficulty" and that you somehow think the sekiro bosses are special. They aren't, they're just patterns for you to learn and the reason bosses work in that game compared to elden ring, which are on par if not worse, is because of the parry. If you were to have sekiro bosses with monster hunter movement and defense options...it would be extremely aids.>Bayonetta combos and dodge offsetI'll give you the benefit of the fucking doubt here and assume you mean the dial-a-combo and not the actual juggles and shit you can do in bayonetta so....you just wanted wicked weaves...that's it?? okay????>W101 drawing mechanic for magicYou're just trying too hard at this point>Dark souls 1 level designAction games are meant to be replayed over and over, with fairly short campaigns. It absolutely does not need the effort it takes to create souls tier level design whatsover. The closest you can get is something like Nioh
>>683702839>Disney shit>Particle effect spammingPlease
>>683702936Action games would benefit greatly from having actual good level design that isn't a straight hallway.
>>683691068you are pretty close to describing ninja gaiden 1 desu. it probably would've been bigger but it came out at a bad time for "epic hard adventure game" and was also xbox exclusive and its sequels kinda sucked
>OG God of War, set in mythological Greece>Written like a Greek Tragedy>nuGOW, set in Norse mythology>written like a marvel movie rather than an Icelandic sagaMissed opportunity
>>683702021>The game literally tells you how to deal with the ghostfish. Ayane throws a kunai letter at you when you first see them. All you have to do is use your flails and jump straight up to prevent from finishing the basic string and opening yourself up to them.yeah I read her kunai and instantly used the flailswhat I hated is when these lil fuckers or any enemy in general bite your dick off-cam
Just give me action Taimanin, but without the gacha, and Nioh 2 combat.That's all I need.
>>683703267Nioh combat is trash you retard
developer makes a new action game then>A unique take on 3D action with its own distinct identity and feeldeveloper makes a new action game now>souls, just souls, feels like souls or feels like a shittier version of souls, no distinct identity, just soulsShame
>>683702839I enjoy KH2FM a lot, but pretending anything to do with datamined revenge value manipulation is good boss design is fucking retarded. It's also misleading to add things like slapshot and ripple to the list of commands when those aren't manual commands but rather things you equip outside of battle that are done automatically.
>>683703252First, turn on the karma window, you can see when a fight is finished then (the game will display the end of time score)>off-camenemies offcamera are a lot less aggressive and are prevented from doing certain attacks.>>683703267just NGB but with taimanin would be cool. Under eden would make a great tairon
>>683702512They didn't, there wouldn't be 4 games otherwise.That being said, only Bayo 2 is actually bad.>Bayo 1, basically Kamiya's attempt at DMC4 style gameplay but it's kamiya so everything actually has purpose.>Bayo 3, doesn't try to tweak perfection that is Bayo 1, instead goes a different route with gameplay additions that completely change how the game works.>Bayo 2, durrr what if like....we forced you to use witch time and like....we made witch time length arbitrary and like...we gave you this super strong DT game that lets you just mash...You can still dislike Bayo 3 all you want but I much rather them try and go a different route then trying to retread old ground, plus I still think even if you ignore the kaiju mechanic Bayo 3 still has really cool new weapons.
>>683703321Sifu doesn't look anything like a Souls game to me.
>>683703084You don't know what you're talking about
>>683703497>Yeah, man, the game is great>*posts a clip of someone juggling a defenseless, mindless sandbag*Every single time with you people. I wish there were more Ninja Gaiden-likes instead of this DMC wannabe garbage.
>>683703321Try and tell me how this is a Soulslike
>>683701975these bosses are a jokehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj5AoSnnw8c&ab_channel=CanalRandomdeAguilarEdici%C3%B3nyou dont play these games
>>683703743Bayo 1 pure platinum NSIC is much harder than any ninja gaiden except maybe 3 just because of how fucking long NG3 enemies take to kill without SoB
>>683653787...to this?
button masher grannies, nigger gayden faggots, and dmctroons are literally eternally and utterly mindbroken and assraped beyond salvation
>>683704097>cooldownsPure cancer
>>683654618>half the weapons are just variations of the blades of chaosfuck god of war 3
>>683673106Yes I am aware, thank you. Wouldnt really call it a reward though given how poorly implemented it was with no consideration for the rest of the combat mechanics, on top of making the perfect parry fail at the only thing it sets out to do. Wow its as if the hacks at PG were obsessed with the idea of just shamelessly ripping off things Itsuno had brought to DMC and dumbing it down to unthinkable levels rather than creating their own unique take on a blocking mechanic. End result: dysfunctional perfect parry in a game with a dysfunctional melee that is meant to be played like TPS>>683677916The real main point here is that Bayo will never have an ounce of DMCs mechanical depth, just like trannies will never substitute for real women. And just like MoMT cant do all the things I listed for RG, trannynetta trannies will forever be incapable of giving birth to children. >it literally just means it takes more skill to use.>less control is good! less depth is good!peak fromdrone mentality. >parrying will interrupt an enemies stringdamn so skillful... >and in case you forgot, magic lets you perform wicked weaves instantly without having to use a combo finisheryou dont need the parry accessory for that, it's already designed to be played like a shitty third person shooter.
>>683704769>DMCs mechanical depthha ha hagood jokejuggling pucnhing bags is not depthplay a fighting game or an rts
>>6837034973 is utter dogshit bro.
>>683703923>Bayo 1 pure platinum NSICtruly the ultimate challenge LMAO curious why you chose to omit the fact that all bayofags just cheat the PP by restarting a verse whenever they get hit lmao.
>>683703923NSIC PP isn't hard, it's just tedious>get hit>pause>go back to the title screen>restart encounter>repeat until you PP the verse
>>683704951i want a fair contestno glorified guessing game
>>683703267Is nioh any good
>683702043retarded bait
>>683702438>one weapon>one attack button>30 (THIRTY) frame parry that is spammable with 0 downsidesand before you reply to me with that charm shit, you only get it on subsequent playthroughs and its basically a self restriction.sekiro is an embarrassing excuse for a pure action game, from should stick ARPGs
>>683705664>that is spammable with 0 downsidesthe parry has diminishing returns.
>>683705664Did you even watch the webms?It's obviously a joke.
>>683655390The original ironically has a better story and better writing than 2018. It also isn't padded to hell and back.
>>683706681this boss fight is so fucking overrated desu
>>683653787>>683653807>>683654618Look at what they need to mimick a fraction of our power...
>>683706954>game for literal toddlers
>>683706293Putting XVI in anything but F-tier instantly discredits your entire list.
>>683705664It's 12 frames you moron. Quit spreading disinformation.
>>683707032>A game for toddlers remains the best action game for the past 20 years.HOLY KINO!
>>683707057>console warrior in 2024embarrassing
>>683707279no one cares abour your kiddie series for MCU tier fans bro
>>683704769DMC will never have an ounce of bayonetta challenge enjoy beating punching bags that can't fight back >>683705495Do you people actually listen to yourself ? there's nothing fair about beating up punching bags that can't fight backliterally the only reason i sometimes get hit in dmc is because i forget that enemies could actually attack me.
>>683707426>no one caresyour entire genre is almost dead because nobody cares about your favourite games
>>683707343I own a PS5, XVI is literally a dogshit game and an even worse "action" title. An "action" game where all enemies are damage sponges that DO NOT react to being hit is beyond terrible.
>>683705361>hey guise look at me bullying 2 ardors in an early fight lmao this game is ezgood luck with the alfheim PPs bud, im sure you can tear those "only wicked weaves" ones to shreds, dont forget to reset!
>>683707426>checks list of top games of all time>KH is still on it>DMC and NG are nowhere to be foundUh...
>>683706905That's just the first phase of regular old Genchiro, it's the second phase that is awesome.
>>683676983Kill yourself zoomer troon
>>683669712fighting games are action games with rhythm
>>683705406>nah guys video games aren't hard you can just restartwow anon you cracked the code
>>683701207not if you keep on Human, no
>>683707894Namefag is retarded as always
>>683707667>im sure you can tear those "only wicked weaves" ones to shredsYeah? Just spam PKP with the katana
>>683708038Rage of the DragonsKing of FightersGuilty Gear StriveMortal Kombat 1-9Melty BloodTekkenThey all require rhythm, and extreme forms of it too.
>>683655390>left: 41%>right: lumberjackRight is better.
>>683704951This is always said by people who've never played DMC, and have certainly never played it on DMD. Even on easy mode when enemies just stand around, it still has more mechanical depth than whatever games you like. Mechanical depth means mechanical depth, not "How much does the game force you to do specific things" like some retards try to redefine it as.
>>683707719>literal whos loved their baby's first action game and put them on their listslol journo tier ranking
>>683707928even on dmd enemies are not dangerous at allyou are an idiot
>>683708580>baby's first action gameWe're not talking about DMC here
>>683707667So does the challenge in question lie in trying to not fall asleep while hitting air like a retard only to shit out charge modifiers and wicked weaves while the enemies cant do anything, or what? >>683707667Every single Bayo enemy is fought in the exact same way, by shitting out ranged attacks, and it's literally how the game is designed to be played instead of a design oversight/cheese method.
>>683708338fuck yougunz the duel is deeper than your crappy franchisehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqb-tQVfuDs&ab_channel=Remix
>>683707774No. It's the first phase of Isshin.
>>683708883The first phase is Genchro, second phase is SS Isshin. Did you even play the game?
hey guys what games have combos in em
>>683709167Combos are for scrubs
>>683674374I can't even tell what I'm looking at.
>>683709306okaywhat games have combos in them
>>683709382Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel™
>>683702438Based mod https://www.nexusmods.com/sekiro/mods/403
>>683708823>doesn't reply to anything I said>lists a game totally unrelated to the argumentYou haven't played DMC and you don't know what mechanical depth means.
>>683709078You're arguing semantics.Genichiro is the first phase of the isshin fight.
>>683709167Fight 'n Rage
>>683680002It's the izuna drop input (the air part without the launcher)
>>683709621Kasumi was probably my first vidya waifu.
>>683709713You're the one arguing semantics, I was talking about the gameplay in the webm.
>>683703912unlike you I didnt look up an online guide to cheese a boss and instead had fun fighting it. I bet you killed cerberus in DMC3 by standing in the back of the room shooting it until it died too
>>683709645>mechanical depthgunz the duel requires much more mechanical skill and good aimyour crappy franchise is nowhere near the same level
juggleslop games are trash, dont kid yourselves
>>683710140Fair point.
>>683710376>much more mechanical skillThere you go again confusing mechanical depth with "does the game force you to do things?" like an absolute cock sucking retard.
>>683710586>jugglesloplmao
>>683710316>I bet you killed cerberus in DMC3 by standing in the back of the room shooting it until it died tooblah blah blahdmc bosses are a jokehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOjnkjFvV9c&ab_channel=DevilMayCry5GamingWorld
>>683653787was the hate for ninja gaiden 3 justified or a gaming press contrivance? I can't off more steep falls from grace than ng3 off the top of my head.
>>683709621>>683705664>>683702839I beat sekiro exactly like this and was suprised to find the internet praising it as the height of action games.
>XVI almost ends up good>has a variety of humanoid boss fights>you can't launch them at all, they're all grounded all the time and even if you break their stagger meter completely they are still glued to the groundHeavily limited experimentation, creativity and player expression for those fights and it honestly really sucked.
>>683710808Base NG3? Yes, it's retarded in just about every way possible. NG3RE scraps it together into a good game but there's shit you just can't fix without completely remaking it like the retarded story.
>>683710613>There you go again confusing mechanical depth with "does the game force you to do things?" like an absolute cock sucking retard.you dont need these advanced techniques if you have good aimyou are a shitterstick to single player games dumbass
>>683654618>GoWNice try anon, that's clearly a Tales of game.
>>683710586>>683710679>few seconds offsamefag
>>683707625XVI is pretty fair in the b-tier ngl. A lot of enemies react to getting hit, but only enemies on your size, then everything that has a stagger meter, including bosses your own size does not react outside of pre-determined stagger meter thresholds and even then only have super limited reaction, but on most regular enemies there is a ton of room for creativity and player expression.
>>683710998because its mostly praised by people who got actually filtered by the other Fromsoft games because they couldn't spam L1 block button and just follow simple simon says commands
>>6837070322FM is a genuinely great action game and so is 3 ReMind to a certain extent.>b-but DisneyYeah, I'm thinking jap autisimo chuuni kino
>>683688623and you do in ninja gaiden? lmao, it's spam your insanely generous iframes or die
>>683653807>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/l2GdT4JnNgEthat's not a game, that's a movie
>>683710808base NG3 was complete garbage. walk/talk scenes, bunch of quicktime event shit for things like ropeclimbing, only 1 weapon, bone on steel being completely broken. Ninpo is just a single screen nuke. The whole thing was just stupid. NGRE is okay but it is still built on the NG3 foundations, which means the story is still an issue, as are some old bosses. The fixes are alos them bringing back old weapons, instead of giving you new ones.
>>683711447>Sekiro>Press 1 button to parry>Ninja Gaiden>Have a wide variety defensive moves and offensive attacks with i-frames to maneuver around an enemies attacksNG is the opposite of simon says because you have actual options
>>683711791>plenty of options, but can't use any of them aside from a few because you're forced to spam iframes due to poor designso simon says
>>683711953average ng hater reading comprehension
>>683711078Are you an ESLfag? Everything you say is a non sequitur.
>>683711953>i-frames are bad because....BECAUSE THEY JUST AREAre you stupid? being able to attack with i-frames is what makes ninja gaiden combat so aggressive and fun. It's specifically why NG enemies are allowed to be as aggressive and relentless as they areAlso, blocking is very good in NG and absolutely necessary to use. The only punishment for blocking attacks is just having to release and press the guard button if you get guard broken. You also have a parry/counter button too and in NG2 especially it's a very good option against certain enemies.
>>683708716why do you lie?
>>683712397you can play gunz the duel however you wantyou are an idiot
>>683712397No he's just a schizo poster from /shmupg/ on /vg/Ignore everything he says
>>683712798>/vg/ schizoMakes sense. Also that means he definitely is an ESLfag.
>>683712557their aggression doesnt matter when they cant hit you out of iframes and their ai just turns off during cutscene attacks like ot and ut
>>683712798>>683713016talk all you wantjuggling braindead enemies is not depth
>>683653807Shouldve posted stellar blade that game is actually shit. God of War was fun
>>683708338Then explain the exact definition of mechanical depth. Because I would define depth, in general, as the variety of options or interactions something has that are actual meaningful. Depth can come from one thing being capable of doing a lot of things or it can come from several things offering a lot of different options with distinct, meaningful purposes. The more well balanced, the more depth. Again, note i'm defining depth in general, not mechanical depth. Your turn.
Ultrakill is the best modern action gameYou can't deny this
>>683713039You don't play ninja gaiden if you think you can literally just spam one attack that has fully invincibility back to back infinitely.
>>683713513>more parryslop
>>683713039>their aggression doesnt matterIt does matter because if you aren't playing the game right it's very easy to get stomped.
>>683713570https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWHVyyXHT-o&ab_channel=Whiletrue1you can do this
Why are action game fags such miserable people?
>>683713924>one boss
>>683713570every high level ng2 gameplay is just a flowchart that consists of using like 4 or 5 relatively safe moves IN TOTAL, including your movement options and shitters like you use even less.
>>683713484>Then explain the exact definition of mechanical depth.Lots of interacting mechanics that can work independently or with each other in various, often unscripted ways. They give the player the opportunity to approach problems and gameplay in different ways and come up with different solutions by using multiple interacting gameplay systems.>Because I would define depth, in general, as the variety of options or interactions something hasVery good.>that are actual meaningfulAnd this is where you turned into a retard who thinks your arbitrary standards of what counts as meaningful matter for mechanical depth. You handwaving something as not necessary or forced by the game doesn't make the actual mechanics any less complex.>The more well balanced, the more depth. Wrong. Balance and depth aren't the same thing. A game like MvC2 has absolutely no fucking balance whatsoever, but it's a mechanically deep fighting game.>Again, note i'm defining depth in general, not mechanical depth. Your turn.Yes, and I also defined it while pointing out that your arbitrary "but only what I say is meaningful" qualifier is nonsense that only literal subhuman retards bring up in the context of talking about game depth. I'll say it again because it bears repeating: whether a game makes good use of its mechanics or forces players to learn them has no bearing on the depth of those mechanics. Depth and challenge are not the same thing.
>>683713924Alexei is one of the most loopable bosses in the game, and even then it's much harder to execute than it looks
>>683713513Can’t even tell what’s going on
>>683671495U can't jump in a beat em up, thats the main diference, also beat em ups have a timer,meanwhile dmc and the liles doesn't
>>683712557Games built around i-frames suck. Having it on some moves and animations is fine, but on demand iframes you use to avoid all damage is shit.
>>683714007They attach their ego to video games and think beating a single player game on the highest difficulty means they've accomplished something. And the first game they did this for MUST be the best because it was their first impression.
>>683714152That's what makes it fun
>>683714023You can loop most ng2 bosseshttps://youtu.be/HYwmYoYa4U0?si=-93pXV5od43qfuCGhttps://youtu.be/kOyTCq3D_3A?si=ERLND8qRTdwz4Te3https://youtu.be/fr4yuGk8nXY?si=71LpVZvfrGZEIK75
>>683702512Despite what obnoxious drones want you to believe, Bayonetta has shit design, she's just "Japanese Glasses Fetish: The Character".
>>683714421We get it, you're gay. Just say that next time.
>>683711228>I-it's b-tier if you ignore all its gameplay flaws and the fact that it isn't a real FF titleYou are literally the problem with games past 2012
>>683714421Ngl, if you wouldn't at least have sex with Bayonetta you're gay. Hating the game is one thing, but she is undebatably hot.
>>683715205>she is undebatably hotShe looks like Slenderman in drag, nigga
>>683714104>Depth and challenge are not the same thing.thats irrelevantjuggling enemies in the air is boring and jump cancel is not an interesting mechanic either
>>683715331>>683715205I think she looks terrible in 2 but her hairstyle in 3 makes her hot.
>>683715383Quiet, subhuman.
>>683714104agree with you wholeheartedly anon I am rooting for you in this discussion. also I like to call people subhumans too
>>683715331You are gay. Full stop. Don't even bother explaining why you like men to me.>>683715416You are gay but trying to become straight. However, once you're gay you can't come back to being straight.
>>683714087just because you play in a flowchart doesn't mean everyone has to play a flowchart.
>>683716017>You are gayNo, Bayonetta is just ugly. Hope this helps.
>>683653787A bunch of borderline QTEs?
>>683714198No it doesn't because it allows enemies to be much deadlier than they are allowed to be otherwise.
>>683654618Did they ever explain why he forgot how to jump in the new games?
>>683716205except I was not talking about myself there but the ng2 fags who post their gameplay on youtube. also feel free to post a few samples of your gameplay as well to show how not flowchart it is.
>>683716393This. Enemies in RE just sit around and wait for you to finish combos unlike 2.
>>683716524RE enemies actually fight back instead of lurking in the background and throwing projectiles
>>683716673>RE enemies actually fight backlol
>>683716873>thread is full of shitters who complain that you cant spam izuna drop or some braindead move for instant delimbs and that enemies dare to block and dodge your attacks like they did in the first game already
>>683716264>NO, I am just heterosexually-challenged!You are gay. Nothing to be ashamed of, everyone already knows.
>>683716524>>683716673>>683716873Are we playing the same Resident Evil games?
>>683714104>Lots of interacting mechanics that can work independently or with each other in various, often unscripted ways. This is just a blanket statement that can honestly be applied to virtually any game that has more than 3 options for a given mechanic. >They give the player the opportunity to approach problems and gameplay in different ways and come up with different solutions by using multiple interacting gameplay systems.You just described complexity. Complexity =/= depth.>And this is where you turned into a retard who thinks your arbitrary standards of what counts as meaningful matter for mechanical depth. You handwaving something as not necessary or forced by the game doesn't make the actual mechanics any less complex.This sounds like you coping and trying say complexity ACTUALLY means mechanical depth. You're a retard.>Wrong. Balance and depth aren't the same thing. A game like MvC2 has absolutely no fucking balance whatsoever, but it's a mechanically deep fighting game.Glossing over this to fit the text limit, FG depth is not comparable to single player depth. >that your arbitrary "but only what I say is meaningful" qualifier is nonsense that only literal subhuman retards bring up in the context of talking about game depth.You getting so mad about this just really makes you sound like a seething retard who has to come up with a cope for how complexity is actually MECHANICAL depth. DMC has a lot of complexity but it doesn't have a lot of depth because the variety of weapons and abilities don't really offer a lot of differences that meaningfully change your playstyle or offer a lot of unique interactions. Calling it "mechanical depth" is literally meaningless because your description of what that means is literally just the definition of complexity. You say "meaningful" is arbitrary because you don't want to admit that all of combotism in DMC has no purpose other than personal gratification
>>683653787>>683653807People conaider nu-GoW a movie game, not a action game.
>>683716017Bayo looks weird and Bayo 2 looks like shit. Bayo 3 is the only hot one.
>>683717056>dodge your attacks like they did in the first gameThey never dodged attacks like this
>>683716393No, it's just a crutch for bad developers who don't want to make tight hitboxes or have spacing and positioning matter as much or come up with utility moves.>>683716524RE4 remake has the most aggressive enemies and instead of using shitty iframes, it has ducking to actually avoid moves and parrying on certain moves.
>>683717578Very unfortunate for you because I have just the webm to prove that wrong
>>683653787What in the adhd? Just play fightan if you feel the need to press a bunch of buttons to get adhd combos bruh
>>683717650you haven't played NG if you think positioning doesn't matter.
>>683677275yeah after playing ninja gaiden sigma i no longer think souls games are hardand i only played on normal but at least kept my manhood intact by not abandoning the way of the ninja
>>683717530Sometimes I think /v/ is full of straight men with high-testosterone and then I see posts like this which let me know you all pump estrogen.
>>683717731He only dodged twice and then punished you with the shurikensHe wasn't flipping around like a ballerina
>>683714309these are literal bugs (i.e. a programmer's oversigth, not intended game design)
>>683717465>This is just a blanket statementCorrect. It's a blanket statement about mechanical depth in games.>You just described complexity. Complexity =/= depth.Wrong. Complexity and depth go hand in hand.>This sounds like you coping and trying say complexity ACTUALLY means mechanical depth. You're a retard.This is you not knowing what words mean. For something to be deep, it needs to be complex.>Glossing over this to fit the text limit, FG depth is not comparable to single player depth. This is you handwaving again because in talking about mechanical complexity in games, I made a pertinent example and you realized you can't actually reply to it. No, depth in single player games is not inherently different than multiplayer games. They're still built on the same idea of interacting mechanics.>You getting so mad about this just really makes you sound like a seething retard who has to come up with a cope for how complexity is actually MECHANICAL depth. You're a retarded subhuman. Games don't magically lose depth because you say "well the game doesn't necessitate those mechanics so they don't count." You're a retard who doesn't understand game design on a fundamental level.>DMC has a lot of complexity Yes.>but it doesn't have a lot of depthNo.>variety of weapons and abilities don't really offer a lot of differences that meaningfully change your playstyle or offer a lot of unique interactionsAnd now you're just making it clear that you don't actually play DMC, which is ironic given your choice of reaction image.>Calling it "mechanical depth" is literally meaningless because your description of what that means is literally just the definition of complexity.Trying to divorce complexity from depth won't give you a point. You don't get to redefine words.>You say "meaningful" is arbitrary because you don't want to admit that all of combotism in DMC has no purpose other than personal gratificationNo, I say it's arbitrary because it's arbitrary.
>>683711109you got 3 heh's from me
UT > quake
>>683717530So, when did you find out you were attracted to men?
>>683665732Pregmata.
>>683718512>fight meSorry, I don't hit women or fags.
>>683718597>--I will remember that.
>>683718092>>683717465Oh and just to head off your next reply,https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/deepDeep and complex are quite literally synonymous. You don't get to redefine words because it makes you mad. That's third world ESL retard subhuman behavior. If you're only "argument" is that complexity isn't depth, then save yourself the embarrassment.
>>683717578Mages will literally dodge all attacks when they are in neutral, cats can dodge the entirety of the 360y and so on. Also in the clip he's not dodging the attacks per se. >>683718004Dont see an issue here.
>>683718092>depth in single player games is not inherently different than multiplayer games.dmc and fighting games are nothing alikein fighting games you have to predict and guess what your opponent is trying to doin dmc you are fighting against a braindead punching bag
>>683669536Jesus fuck. DMC5 is so fucking ugly. Especially compared to DMC4. It's weird how DMCcucks shit on Bayo 1 for having a dark color palette but then ignore the fact that their own games like dark vomit mixed with shit
>>683705509YeahDon't be one of the bitches skipping 1 either
>>683719681>posts ugly man-face Kyrie
>>683667612>And it still isn't enough to give Ryu a glimpse of a personality lmaoRyu has a lot of personality... in the Dead or Alive games.
>>683717090>.t
4chan fixation on fictional women and fictional men is so strange
>>683716264>retarded tranime jeet is a faggotShocking.
>>683720562I'm trans btw
>>683665732>>683665908>Ninja Gaiden 3 was literally about Hayabusa becoming a cuck simp with white feverholy kino
>>683720634why are replying to me?i dont care if you are trans or not
>>683720817 (Me)also I have bpd haha :P im a silly dog!!!!!!!
>>683720817whoops... meant to reply to >>683720193
>>683720217even there he's a superautist.
>>683653787Simply mogs genre.
>>683720756That girl is Japanese though so you know Ryu wants nothing to do with her
>>683719635Quiet, subhuman. People are talking.
>>683720756miyazuki is a jap girl
>>683721082mehsam is even more pathetic than vergil
>>683720756Ryu has Irene, he's not a cuck
>>683653787Bloody Rage and Steel on Bone are some of the worst mechanics I've ever seen in an action game.
>>683721120What games do you like anon?
>>683721243They are much better than UT spam.
>>683721185>Mid-game boss isnt as complicated as end-game bossGot any other gems to share?
>>683721120you are the subhuman who likes easy games
>>683721425more like mid game, lmao... also the fuck are you on, he's in the second to last mission
>>683721268Why do idiots use this as some sort of gotcha moment? Are you hoping for a list that you can pick one game out of you don't like so you can handwave everything I said, or are you just trying to change the subject?>>683721497You've never played an DMC game on DMD mode. You wouldn't last 2 missions. I know you're a third world subhuman newfag, but when DMC3 came out it quite literally made its reputation on being the really hard cool action game. That was long before your time here.
>>683721425>3rd to last boss>mid-gameHow disingenuous
>>683718092I would reply to you but thread is gonna hit bump limit so I don't care and didn't even read this post. Complexity =/= Depth. DMC is rich in complexity but your actual choices of weapons or weapon combos do not have any meaning beyond personal player preference. You don't need to use any specific weapon to defeat a specific boss, using more weapons does not have any impact on scoring (other than making it slightly easier to keep your score up) and you can S rank DMC4 and 5 on DMD exclusively using trickster. I am not saying these are bad things or that DMC is a bad game, I am simply pointing out that 4 and 5 lean much heavier on complexity than on depth
>>683717941The first NG on normal is easier than Souls games. It doesn't get more difficult until Very Hard
>>683721635>Complexity =/= Depth.see>>683718796You're objectively wrong. You do not know English, and you don't get to redefine words so you can pretend you have a point. There's no argument here, just one retard trying to insist he knows what words mean better than the dictionary.
>>683721608>DMC3i beat that game on dmd years agoyou are a moron
>>683721719It's very hard until you understand the mechanics, which are poorly explained and unintuitive
>>683721608I am curious because I have the same views on the matter
>>683718543kek
new thread is up lads>>>>683722220
someone make another thread pwease
this nigga pulled a dictionary and said they're synonyms. If you're at that part of the argument, you might as well give up
>>683715105>it's not a real FF title because I said so
>>683722120Then narrow it down by genre or something quickly before the thread dies because I've been playing games for 30 years on pretty much every platform and in every genre so I like a lot of them.>>683722054No you didn't. You're a retarded third world child.
>>683722440>this nigga knows what words actually mean and isn't trying to redefine them on the fly to fit his shitty argumentThe ultimate weakness of the ESL shitposting retard.
DMC V > DMC1 > DMC3 >the restMGR > every other non DMC action gamecope and seethe
>>683722867Mostly meant action games, since it's an action thread. Myself I like NG and DMC the most
>>683723340DMC. NG is cool. I've only played a bit of God Hand and it's more beat em up, but it's got a lot of cool shit going on. If you're willing to step into RPG territory then DD is probably my favorite game.
