>ruins powerstancing in your pathHaha wow so fun! I love how modern Souls games nerf every build into the ground until there's like 2-3 left by the end.You'd think the point of balance patches would be to increase build variety, but apparently not.
>>683831402Dark Souls 2 was one of the best games of this century
>>683831402Maybe stop using cheese strats?
>>683831402Skill issue
>>683831559>don't use magic or you're cheesing>don't use rot or you're cheesing>don't wield two weapons or you're cheesing>don't jump attack or you're cheesing>don't use bleed or you're cheesing>don't use spirits or you're cheesing>don't use poise breaks or you're cheesing>don't use weapon arts or you're cheesing>don't use greatshields or you're cheesing>don't use heavy armor or you're cheesingWhat else goes on the list?
I'm using a Claymore in a paladin roleplay build, maybe you should just stop being gay and adapt
>>683832173I've used pretty much every type of build in the game already, it just sucks that less of them are good now
???I'm still melting bosses with dual daggers, what exactly happened to powerstancing?
>>683831816Greetings, reddit. Here's your daily dose of validation: "if it's in the game, it was MEANT to be used so never feel bad for using something the game intended for you to use."
>>683831559If you even looked at a screen for a split second, YDBTG
>>683832415This but unironically, if you choose to not use something in the game it just means you're too retarded to figure it out and are seething smarter people found it. Work smarter not harder you dumb ass
>>683832415You'd have a point if you were just talking about one or two exceptionally broken, niche setups like Fingerprint GS + status setups, but if you're at the point where you're literally arguing that a core mechanic like dual-wielding is "cheese" then you're fucking retarded.
>>683831402>>ruins powerstancing in your pathwhat happened? i dont see any issues
>NOOOOO MY DUAL SPEARS RUNNING R1
>>683832551They nerfed poise damage, damage, and tracking on many powerstanced weapons.PS great spears for example are borderline unusable now.
>>683832264I like using underpowered builds, sounds like the game is almost perfect
>>683832520if the dev removed it, then it was never meant to be used. cry about it to mommy Also i got a weird sense of deja vu with this thread.
>>683832520Based. Here comes dose #2: "You totally beat the game fair and square! In fact, holding L1 and poking from behind a greatshield actually takes the most skill. You did it!"
>>683832626im melting everything powerstancing ultra greatswords so wonder how op they were before then
>>683832361Probably made it not as strong so you have to have a little skill to have fun with it
>>683832626spears are gay
>>683832415Reddit and twitch have way more self respect than this place does. They don't say this at all. They actually admit summons and blled are cringe ez mode.
>>683832712very. dual spears running r1 was increidbly strong. all you needed to do was keep spamming it and you had free counter thrust damage Anon says "it is nigh unusable now" is another way of saying "i have to git gud now"
>>683832543>dual-wielding is "cheese"The only people who say that are people who use actual cheese like fingerprint shield, who are trying to gaslight people into thinking fingerprint shield is on the same level as dual wielding, so if dual wielding isn't cheese then greatshield also isn't cheese.
>>683832712They weren't affected in PVE
>>683832446>he installed Elden RingYOU*clapping hands emoji*DIDN'T*clapping hands emoji*BEAT*clapping hands emoji*THE*clapping hands emoji*GAME*fire emoji, 100 with two lines under it emoji*
>>683832712>wonder how op they were before thenyou can see the videos if you want>breakstance every boss in 2 or maybe 3 jump attacks
>>683832869You retarded NIGGER read the thread before replying, the guy who started this reply chain literally called powerstancing cheese.
is it worth playing on PS4 Pro? not getting a PC or newer console just to play one game (also goldhen)
>>683832790I wish Bleed wasn't so OP because I like making things bleed but don't want to make the game easier to do so, They should keep one ability broken though like Rot, and anyone who only uses it gets made fun of but it's still there as a option for people to fuck around with
>>683832973No one takes him seriously, except you. Because you need validation. You need to ensure that everyone you communicate with knows that you are the most valid player in the world. You can't stand knowing there are those who would disregard your wins in a video game. I am sorry for you.Nigger.
Why do half the new weapons in this dlc need 20 odd faith to wield for seemingly no fucking reason?
>>683833105I literally don't care about what you think of my gameplay, the topic of this thread is how it sucks that they're ruining the game with excessive balance updates just like they did in DS3.
>>683832895
>>683832869Case in point: >>683832916Redditors will try to gaslight you into thinking that whoever calls their greatshield poke strategy cheese, calls everything else cheese, so therefore nothing actually counts as cheese. They are very needy.I am ashamed to admit that since the DLC dropped I've been to the subreddit every day and at least once per day there is a top post of someone asking for validation.
>>683833345Dual wield heavy weapon jump attacks honestly did way too much damage. It was too unbalanced.
>>683831547>centurysay a decade and I would agree with you
>>683833425Where does it say that PS UGS are affected in PVE there?
>>683832690>"You totally beat the game fair and square! In fact, holding L1 and poking from behind a greatshield actually takes the most skill. You did it!"and? what's actually wrong with this?
>>683832543you're the retard here my guy, because dual wielding is still in the game, you just cant melt people in pvp which is the point of balance patches. you should not be getting melted in pvp, thats why pvp separate scaling exists also. whats so hard to understand about that, or are you just too mad to think
>>683832980Just pony up for a piss5 like everyone else who didn't feel like taking the leap into pc bullshit. It's way to pricey in the current year.
>>683833340It’s bullshit, just like all the new weapons that require int and arc for now fucking reason, my faith build could have used so many more new weapons if he just had like 40 extra levels to play with.
>>683833623Nerfing powerstanced naginata in PVP makes sense, nerfing all powerstanced damage was retarded and reduces the amount of viable builds instead of increasing it.
>>683833425Every single line of this is fine
>>683832869>>683833480powerstancing jumps was base game cheese and fingerprint is dlc cheese. No different. Most cheese allegations are purely encounter dependant. Using a shield on Malenia will just give her free heals
Powerstancing was a mistake, giving players more damage in exchange for fewer defensive options does nothing but encourage them to build for cheesy quick kill strats that ultimately invalidate the bosses you want them to engage with.Next game the offhand should be a dedicated defensive tool slot that allows the devs to develop a more robust universal defensive play system>b-but two-handingIs based, just buff the defensive properties of all weapons to be closer to the heavy weapons.
>>683833607the fact you didn't beat the game, yet claim you do
>>683833780Nah powerstancing did too much damage before, glad we have stuff like the two handed talisman to balance it out now. You gotta learn to do something besides jump attacks my guy
>>683833425Good. My baby needed a buff or two.
>>683833835You could actually out-damage Malenia's healing with a good fingerprint shieldpoke build.
>>683833835There it is.
Was this an actual "nerfed into the ground" situation or is it just another "WAAAAAAA MY BUILDS DON'T ONESHOT PEOPLE ANYMORE WAAA I HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME NOW" situation
>>683833480Fromshitters are the most fragile, insecure group out there. If you actually play a hard game like say, Ninja Gaiden, the community actually encourages trying different play styles and weapons out. If you try any arbitrary item in souls games that some redditor doesn’t approve of, they literally shit their pants over it and start calling you names like a schizo
whats a fun to use weapon with a good moveset that isnt too OP ? i just got sote and im doing a new build. last time i ran with zweihander but spamming jump attack got old fast.
>>683833919No it was perfectly fine and fun to use, they really just needed to buff twohanding appropriately instead.I just don't comprehend why someone wants to have less viable options in the game instead of more.
>>683834004Sounds like a you problem, I try new builds almost every time I play and I don’t go online to seek validation about it from retards like you do. Just try the new build.
>>683833715it's halfway into its cycle and still full price. the PS3 was $300 by this point in its life. a fucking ripoff
>>683834024The death knight twin axes are pretty cool and you can get them early in the DLC.The Milady with the wing stance AOW is also fun, but maybe you'd consider it a bit too strong.
>>683833780viable = deleting hp bar in one hit? you can still vigor check people, i dont understand. you make it sound like the game turned all the weapons into foam sticks. stop being disingenuous
>>683833607Nothing is wrong. Literally nobody cares, except you. You imagine that people shitposting and teasing must mean they deeply care about how you beat the game. However, greatshield poking and/or using summons is objectively easy as fuck. They're basically Fromsoft's version of a "skip encounter" button. There's no shame in it; the only person who feels shame is obviously you.
>>683834037Oh but now everything else but powerstancing is more viable, it actually really increased options since it’s more balanced now. Sorry you relied on them like a crutch but on the bright side, you can get good with other things now just like you say you want.
>>683834004Why do I keep seeing fags like you bring up NG in every discussion of what a "hard game" should be? You know whats better for a franchise then be hard? Still being alive.
>>683834037>I just don't comprehend why someone wants to have less viable options in the game instead of more.From a design space the more limited a player's options are the more tightly designed any given challenge can be.
>>683834004>If you actually play a hard game like say, Ninja Gaiden, the community actually encourages trying different play styles and weapons out.Clown post since NG has only one play style: UT spam
>>683833425What was wrong with the Urumi?
>>683834134>viable = deleting hp bar in one hit?Most powerstanced weapon didn't do this, they were just strong options that required you to give up your off-hand slot in exchange.Now they're too weak to be worth that trade-off, there was no reason to do this and reduce build variety when they instead could've nerfed only the few really problematic options.
>>683834248This game still has the fingerprint greatshield and mimic summon in it, they don't care about that.
>>683834272S scaling in Dex and a weird true combo R2 true combo that shits damage, there's nothing wrong with the Urumi which is why it didn't get buffs
>>683833425I love how they keep buffing greataxes in every update even though they were great like three patches ago.
>>683833913but you see the end credits and you don't use cheats?>>683834145>Literally nobody cares, except you.is that why this subhuman immediately started seething? >>683832415 >>683832690
>>683834037>why someone wants to have less viable options in the game>It's not viable unless I can kill bosses in 4 hitsLiteral skill issue.
>>683834303yeah you're just bullshitting nowtell me your favorite power stance buildmy favorite was powerstanced axes. guess what though, they always sucked. even after consecutive patches buffing the damage and increasing the speed and recovery, axes still suck. the powerstance moveset sucks, just complete ass. go ahead and try it, maybe it will give you some perspective. elden ring will make all the weapons somewhat ass-like, if it's too good then it will be nerfed. simple as. This is why I laugh when minmaxers talk about viability in a from soft gameDude its just demon souls with some updates. go outside
>>683834401Show me someone 4-shotting an endgame boss with generic powerstanced straight swords
>>683834379shhh.... I need to rape harder okay?
I really don't mind the changes but I just got 2 of these things. It scales purely off Arcane so what fun builds can I play around with them?
>>683834364Playstyle that gives you offensive and defensive tools are inherently healthier for game design than unga bunga I spam one overtuned attack, which is what powerstance always devolves into.
>>683834482You could always beat these games with the equivalent of the broken straight sword, that doesn't mean the BSS was a well-tuned weapon that should be the standard other weapons should be nerfed down to you stupid tranny.Most of these weapons were perfectly fine and fun to use as is, now they're less enjoyable to use for literally no reason and it makes no sense that you're defending this decision just because you personally have always enjoyed using mediocre weapons.
>>683834384>is that why this subhuman immediately started seething?That's your own insecurity perceiving an obvious joke as seething. You have basically proved my point. No one's attacking you, but your insecurity makes you think people care. Literally nobody cares. Except you.
>>683834578They amplify your Greases, and even Sleep Grease will get arcane scaling for some reason.They're pretty cool, and a good excuse to actually use all those greases.
>>683834613Not if the defensive tool literally auto-wins 95% of encounters in the game by mindlessly pressing one button with zero risk at all, which is what the fingerprint shield does.
>>683834683Yeah you still didn't tell me what weapon you're mad you can't use. Youre anonymous, just be honest.
>>683834804Oh my b, i didn't use many powerstanced weapons actually but my favorite ones were straight swords, which now sadly are much weaker online.
>>683831402Well, they'll just quadruple down on it in every game moving forward.This fandom has devolved into Bethesda-brained fanboys. It's over. No more feedback is allowed. It's always you that's bad, and wrong.
>>683834683>you're defending this decisionYou're an absolute scrub. Patch 1.12 only nerfed dual wield damage against other players. Your PVE is not affected whatsoever. Why are you crying?
>>683831402I'm still one shotting bosses with faith spells.
>>683834685>That's your own insecurity perceiving an obvious joke as seethingconcession accepted.
>>683834117It's STILL full price. lmao. You can blame Microshaft for shitting the bed as always for that price. How they haven't cleaned house at the xbox division is beyond me. Thanks Phil.
>>683835203>Still needs validation
Haven't been keeping up with the DLC discourse too much but the fist palm weapon art seems broken as shit
>>683834963>DUAL STRAIGHT SWORDSLOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>683834384>seethingThis you bro? >>683831816
>>683835367Idk why you're so angry tbdesu
>>683832895so this entire thread is just pvp cucks whining, ok then.
>>683835552i laughed because that shit was broken. i understand why you made this thread. you were throwing around the word 'viable' but actually you meant to say 'broken'
>>683834726"Keep in mind that the only greases that scale with Arcane are: Blood Greases, Poison Greases, and Soporific Greases"
>>683835761It really wasn't, but i'd actually have been ok with a nerf to it. They could've made it weaker without just making it (as well as all powerstanced weapons) just do no damage anymore
>>683835496
>>683835361Nigga did I just catch you having fun?
>>683835875i'm gonna get on and test it just because i'm 100% sure it's still fine
>>683836184Yah do some duels with it, maybe you'll feel differently than me.I'm sure you'll still get wins against random scrubs, but if you're up against anyone who knows how to play, i think you'll feel the lack of damage and poise damage.
>patch dedicated to nerfing shit and removing unintended cheese>meanwhile light of Miquella the spell you get for beating the final boss is bugged and can't be boosted by the seal that boost miquella spells nor the circlet that specifically is meant boost Light of Miquella
>>683835361The actual weapon it's a part of is a piece of shit so it's fine.
>>683836408Half the DLC spells still have bugged damage, Ansbach's spell and that fire rain one are actually entirely useless.
>>683836408Holy buffs in general also don’t work in pvp but it’s whateverIf they make that work they will have to nerf light of Miquella at least in pvp; so many hosts just die to it instantly
what i don't get is why tf FromSoft is deepthroating Bleed as hard as they do compared to other status effects. it's ridiculous.
>>683834512>mfw that weapon is S tier in RAPEbased executioner greataxeGOD
What would you define as "cheese"?in fighting games cheese refers to moves, attacks or characters (with moves) that are easy to execute, but hard to defend against. It works on a spectrum and it's a bit subjective when trying to claim something is easy to execute or hard to defend against.since there is no execution in souls games (spamming L2 on a bullgoat set takes the same skill as rolling and parrying) then does it only apply to pvp?powerstance spears/rapiers/straight swords were absolutely hard to defend against, it ate through shield stamina and could roll catch very easily, as well as dealt much more damagewould that be considered cheesy?
>>683836673They nerfed it repeatedly already, it's not really broken.You can shred bosses far easier by spamming poise breaks or various spells.
>>683836673Indirect jap wank from katana's being the bleed posterboy weapons thus staying FS hand from actually nerfing bleed.
>>683834080>I don’t go online to seek validationNice reading comprehension, I was talking about the effect you get on this board where even talking about different builds gets you retarded reddit bandwagoners shitting up the convo. I can go over to a DMC/NG thread and have a healthy discussion on different strategies but these threads are always full of cancer who can’t into context like (you).
>>683836614Shit don't work in the base game either. At least pvp has excuse of making it fair for people.
>>683834180>>683834264Case in point >>683834004
>Be me>Greatsword and sacred seal both +25>Beat everything in the game in a couple of tries>fun.jpg>Check 4chan>People complaining about nerfs and cheeseIs this thread just ragebait? I just walked in and trial and errored the game and had fun. What else is there?
>>683837195That's lowkey one of the comfiest builds in the game and it got buffed like every other patch
>>683837048>replying 40 minutes later to my comment Ninja Gaiden is still dead faggot.
>>683832361lowered the damage in PvP only
> They are still fighting bosses*Skip*
>>683831559The entire point of Souls is to tackle challenges in whatever way you see fit. I'm a magic hater but I've never thought it should be removed from the series entirely.
>>683836728I'd classify as cheese any strat where the boss doesn't get to fight the whole time normally as a result of "normal" in-game actions, like making a night cav jump off a cliff or the Radhan water edge trick, as opposed to unnatural actions you purposefully do to break the game like>ai break (ex: quitting out then entering the godskin noble arena from as far as possible to not triggering his ai)>doing parcour to attack from out of the arena (can't think of one atm)>glitching the map to bypass boundaries (ex: Moghwyn deload)Stuff like using summons, stacking buffs, exploiting weaknesses, stagger builds are not cheese but that doesn't mean I won't look down on you for doing it, like how all the shitters end up doing fingerprint shield pokes with a blood antspur rapier.
>>683831402It only nerfed powerstancing for PVP.
>>683837195>be STR/FTH>DLC drops>walk in with like 80% resist to any one damage type on demand with incants>beat everything under 5 tries, with many taking only 1 or 2I love it
>>683837474yeah good luck doing it on DLC bosses
>>683837287Hell yeah, man. Especially on melenia too. Everyone was telling me how hard it was and it ended up being a cakewalk after 2 tries. I literally just had to roll and run at the right times. I use summons whenever I feel like it and they helped manage aggro whenever I needed to heal or get a nice lions claw
>>683831547>use majestic sword in left hand>get unique moveset>powerstance them>moveset changes>pick two different smelter swords>have unique special attack>3 different Radahn swords in ER>the only real difference between them is AOWWhy did it devolve?
>>683837781> STR/FTHI regret to inform you that you did not beat the game.
>>683837859>I use summons
>>683837573that would be classified as an exploit in other games tho, not cheesecheese by definition requires it to be a valid strategy
heavy great stars + bloodflame + wild strikes + rotten insignia + shard of alexanderyep its gaming time
>>683832415Do you seriously think when they playtest these games they're not using spirit ashes, greatshields, and status procs?
>>683837903it's ok I beat it RL1 nohit already anyway, I can do what I wantRL1 nohit no blessing in the dlc makes Malenia feel like a joke
>>683838083RL1 build doing more dps than most builds pretty pog
>>683834384>you see the credits and didn't cheatjust like someone who watched a longplay
>>683837854>r1r1r1r1r1r1>Wooops half of the hp bar disappearedI already beat dlc with pure int build and it was braindead easy
>>683838259spamming comets sure, I'm just saying the Comet Azur strat would not work on almost every DLC boss, if not all of them
>>683833559Nothing significant will come out of any video game studio for a very long time based on the current way of things
>>683837876Miyazaki is a petty ego maniac. This why half the new idea's in das2 didn't make it into 3, because big M didn't think of them himself. But he has zero problems with stealing from berserk.
>>683838223That just shows the power of buff stacking and also just how bad most people's build are.Like sure this is RTSR with a charge attack setup and 2 perfumes, but that still only gives me like 480 AR.Here's an incant run stacking fire damage for Radagon for example
>>683833095> wants bleed but not as cheap I'd say use frostbite its kind of like that but you can instantly reset if with any fire attack
>>683838223Or even pushing the limits of RL1 weapon for cool kills
>>683838368You can safely say that Messmer and Radahn are flying at you starting from the zero second because they (and the developers) are scared to death of Comet Azur
>>683838057You misunderstand. I don't even disagree with what I said. The point is that I'm saying what the other anon wants to hear.Also, they did not thoroughly playtest this game on release. Did you know that colossal swords and weapons were so slow that most combos from most endgame bosses literally could not be punished without trading damage?
>>683831402I've been looking forward to the collage on Jeremy Eric that anon said he'd make and post in a future Elden Ring thread. Anon where ya at?
>>683837349Next time I’ll reply an hour later just to see you squirm, little pissbaby
>>683838987>Did you know that colossal swords and weapons were so slow that most combos from most endgame bosses literally could not be punished without trading damage?Objectively untrue.
>>683838083ah shit anon is based
>>683838987>Also, they did not thoroughly playtest this game on release.Rain of Fire is definitive proof that they either don't test, or simply don't give a single fuck.
>>683836728If the game obviously doesn't have a solution for you doing it, it's cheese.Chances are if the devs knew you could beat Radahn by just stacking defense buffs and spamming Prayerful Strike or Endure until he dies, they would have designed a more direct counter.
>>683831816playing the game at all is cheesingthere's no hope with those retards
>>683839174yeah he's easy if you have a decent build.This is NG+ for example, 100% brainless gameplay that makes a complete joke of people going fingerprint poke out of rage
>>683839058>Objectively untrue.Lol. Lmao.So when one of the very first patches drastically sped up colossal sword/weapon attacks, it was by mistake? Why say things when you simply don't know what you're talking about?
>>683839367> 100% brainless gameplay And yet your runes lie in the arena.
>>683839482>Why say things when you simply don't know what you're talking about?Great question, why indeed?
Everyone talks about comet azur, night comet, mohg staff, etc, but no one talks about THIS. When are STR shitters gonna come clean about their cheese?
>>683839568yes that's brainless, I died 2 times before winning with this build, my strategy literally didn't change>jump L1>chug as needed>if I think I won't survive I roll until I can healgranted I wasn't dead drunk so I could use my experience from my first run, but you know how it goes>you used patten recognition so you didn't beat the game
>>683839595I accept your concession.
>>683839718why would I use a pvp ash against bosses? It does piss damage and doesn't microstagger anything that matters
What build is canon? What should Tarnished be like according to the developers?
>>683839895>What build is canon?mine
>>683839802lmao, right buddy sure, whatever makes you happy
>>683839895whatever the guy uses in trailers
>>683839930>He still thinks he knows more than the developers
>>683839718Melee has tools. Magic has skips.
>>683840003Speak aloud what you just wrote infront of a mirror
>>683839895Vargram (who wears trailer armor) uses the Godslayer Greatsword (a weapon that can kill a god and represents DD) so it's probably that.Alternatively it's Vyke with his Spear, since he appears on the Box Art.
>>683839793>you used patten recognition so you didn't beat the gameUnironically almost yes. I mean you beat the game but it wasn't nearly as easy as you say if you had to memorize patterns.
>>683839895
>>683840174Vyke has a bastard sword in the cover art however.
>>683840174>>683840336I'd also argue that the default gear of the 1st class is fair game for "canon"good medium armor, a parry shield with 100 phys block, a longsword with square off and a halberd is plain but certainly not bad
>>683836728Cheese is anything that breaks intended functionality. So, back when you could get into Mohg's arena without his AI activating, or throwing dung pies over to wall into Capra Demon's arena.Cheese is not just using easy moves. Fighting game players are notorious bitches, so them calling an easy to use move "spam" are really just hyperbolically saying "that move isn't intended to be that good" but it's always a skill issue. If it doesn't involve breaking the game's functionality or exploiting code/mechanical errors, it isn't cheese, even if it is really good.
>>683839802confession denied
>>683837474This honestly blows against most bosses since they just dodge out of the way, and if you aren't using it in conjunction with the infinite FP tear it rapes your mana bar so fast that it can't be used with any efficiency. Honestly the rot breath spell is a way better use of just dumping all your FP into one big spell since it hits in a wider area and can inflict a strong status on some enemies
How was powerstancing nerfed?
>>683840161>The developers quickly patched colossal sword and weapon speed by mistake. Their lack of punish windows wasn't one of the most prevalent complaints at launch
>>683834753>with zero risk at allThere are many melee attacks that hit around the shield, there are attacks that almost kill you if you're too close with the shield up and many stamina related factors into using a shield. You clearly haven't played through the game with it so I'm not gonna bother replying to you further
>>683832415WOW thanks kind stranger! I love summoning!
>>683840585again you are describing an exploit, such things exist in fighting games too, shit that doesn't work as intended, and it's considered cheating to abuse an exploitcheese is meant to be a scrubby termassuming all players are infinitely skilled and infinitely knowledgeable then cheese would not existyou can simply block low for exactly 16 frames then change to standing block, it covers both options in kazuya's vortex 50/50cheese is a balance issue, bleed doing 10x the dps of normal melee attacks is intended by the devs but it's not balanced
>>683837379So nothing of value was lost
>>683840646>confession Imagine failing so hard, you even fail to samefag kek
>>683839885there are multiple opportunities to use this against most bosses and it's way better to use the full thing instead of a crit when you stun them.
>>683841070ok but I can just RKR CR2 > CR2 for wayyyy more damage on a STR build
>>683836728>What would you define as "cheese"?Anything that allows me to bypass the mechanics of a boss fight such that skill is irrelevant.My last char was ancestral follower / servant of rot themed. You bet your ass I cheesed DTS with poison mist.When I was able to turn any stagger into an infinite on NPC bosses / fights? Cheese. (Riposte -> Ordovis's Sword L2 -> Riposte loop)Using the crucible shield and guard counters to mindlessly beat some bosses? Not cheese.
>>683838057>Fromsoft>playtestlol. lmao even
>>683840893>and many stamina related factors into using a shield.Not with the Fingerprint one, YOU clearly haven't tried playing with it you stupid tranny.
>>683838613>incantation/sorcery only>look inside>it's just the melee spam "spell"
>>683840891They also patched base-game Radahn to be less difficult because people were whining too much, yet most fans see that as a mistake and now he's too easy. Doesn't mean they didn't playtest Radahn, it just means they listened to pissbaby players who whined a lot.
>>683840757> blows against most bosses Objectively not true. I beat the main game yesterday with Comet Azur as my main spell. 50% of the main bosses just die without doing a single move, 45% of the bosses take enough damage to skip one of their stages, and the only boss comet was objectively bad against was Renalla.> infinite FP tearI mean, it's obvious.
>>683841556Radahn's difficulty is subjective. Boss punish windows are objective. See the difference? Some boss windows were too short for colossal swords and weapons. Why do you From dick suckers try to pretend From doesn't make mistakes? They're my favorite developer and I've never even considered dick riding this hard.
>>683831816So Lobosjr just defeated Messmer in NG+7 RL1 without any scadutree fragments, but he did take advantage of bleed proc so I guess it was just cheese after all.
>>683841874who?
>>683841541>his adhd is so bad he can't even watch a minute long video before postinghilarious stuff
>>683840928NtaConventional fighting tactics (but with a stronger option) are never gonna be cheese
>>683841874Nta but at RL1 you can't proc bleed nearly as many times as a proper level character
>>683840928Nope. Try again
do the faster souls games benefit DEX more than STR? >t. DEX chad
>>683841874Correct
>>683840909>Leave the multimillion dollar corporation alone!
>>683842054>>683842219well then I guess we need a new word to describe tactics with low risk/high reward skewed ratio
>>683841936One of the most prominent Souls challenge runners. If you care about high skill PvE in souls (aka perfect rollslopping) he's worth watching despite the ocassional streamer cringe.
>>683842039>no counter argument
I tired doing a second playthrough of this game and I really don't like the sekiro combos in a game where i'm moving like ds3 and that game was already roll slop
>>683842369>he still hasn't watched the full videolmao
>>683841757>Boss punish windows are objective.Subjectively, colossal weapons were too slow before the patch. Right now as the game currently exists there are punish windows that certain weapon types are fast enough to punish and other weapon types are not. Were the weapons that can't make those punish windows not play tested? Or did the developers think "it's fair for them to miss these attack windows because they do more damage than the weapons that don't miss those windows"?
I grab my Banished Knight GS for the moveset and that‘s it.And Lordsworn SS as my backup side weapon.
>>683842348There's no point in discussing them, really. The only people who bitch about it are just mad they did unnecessary extra work. If you beat it using suboptimal shit good for you, but no one cares. Complaining about it online for validation is just pathetic
>tfw the only way to beat the game is not playing the gameI didn't beat the game.
>>683842358>One of the most prominent Souls challenge runnersThen why have I never seen him suggested, nor mentionned by any of the other challenge runners? I don't recall him in any of the "events" either.I'll stick to Gino if I wanna see high skill runs.
>>683842431Catch Flame and Pest Threads are just spam spells used at melee range. Keep crying bitch nigga
>>683842246nostrength is unironically one of the easiest builds for most of the game. only enemies that have infinite poise and are extremely hard to posture break ever pose even a little bit of a challenge.I'm willing to bet strength fags are the main people whining about the DLC being "too hard" because it has a lot of extremely high posture enemies so they have to actually engage with them instead of just armoring through everything and posture breaking in 2 swings.
>>683841874Does the DLC even get much scaling from NG+s? I thought it was like Melania where it was barely like a few percentages.
>>683839718Spinning strikes is better than whatever this is. Stormcaller is PVP ash.
>>683842246I've used both in all of the games and yeah it does
>>683841541Catch Flame and Carian Slicer are just too good.High damage, fast start up, faster chain casting, short animation, low FP cost.It's silly that Catch Flame is easily arguably better than O, Flame!
>>683842569nice you finally watched the video, but still feel compelled to lie about it because you were caught being a fucking moron. I guess >it's just the melee spam "spell"is now actually 2 spells, with one being cast at range repeatedly.
>>683842348That’s called “overpowered” or “OP” lmao
>>683842639GS of Solitude is Michael Zaki‘s greatest gift to STRfags. Can‘t complain.
>>683842639Honestly it's kind of the opposite, at least if you're willing to use a greatshield. I watched a friend of mine mulch every single boss with Fingerprint+Anvil Hammer.
>>683842205True but it was still not bad at all damage wise for RL1 NG+7.
>>683842292yeah ok
>>683842467>Were the weapons that can't make those punish windows not play tested? Or did the developers think "it's fair for them to miss these attack windows because they do more damage than the weapons that don't miss those windows"?On release, colossal weapons did not do much more damage than small weapons, so it really wasn't worth trading damage with bosses when you could get consistent hits in with small weapons. This is why From increased both speed (attack speed and recovery speed) and damage of colossals.
>>683833340Just don't go into the DLC overleveled.You are doing that, right?
>>683842747star fists or bloodfiend arm?
>>683842729>caught out being a fag>n-no u!!Try again and keep seething
>>683842467If there were bosses that didn't have a single safe window for colossal weapons, you would concede your argument, I assume?I didn't touch colossal weapons on launch unfortunately, so I can't argue that Anon's argument beyond this.
>>683838401When is he going to steal Bonfire Ascetics from the B team?I want to buttfuck a boss again, but apparently I have to wait until 100 hours later for that.
>>683842867see if you had patience you could've come up with something a bit more clever to respond with. but instead in your compulsion to post, you've discarded all wit.
>>683843043If you want to re-fight bosses just make a backup save or use cheat engine to re-spawn them
>>683842742Nah he's still right, it's just that your friend went so extremely yang that he birthed yin.
>>683833425Wow, it's fucking nothing. Thrusting weapons are for faggots.
>>683843007Not him but I find it funny that people act as if every boss MUST have a safe opening for every weapon type.That's why I like Nihil and even wished it wasn't skipable, just so people woul be forced to take a hit.
>>683843096>can't help but keep responding but blames the other's "compulsion to post"If you truly were trying to take the high ground you wouldn't also keep replying but nice try. Try to stop projecting so hard in your little bitchfit
Should I go dex of str for the dlc?All the cool weapons seems dex for some reason.
>>683843043>I want to buttfuck a boss again, but apparently I have to wait until 100 hours later for that.Any% speedruns take about 1h. Surely on your leveled NG character you can reach any NG+ boss in under 2h right?
>>683831402why are you complaining about an update that happened weeks agoalso I beat radahn powerstancing after this update and didn't have an insane amount of trouble with it
>>683843043I just throw down my summon sign and have fun helping other people fight the boss.Ironically that's exactly what I did as an Heir of the Sun in DS2 too.
>>683843219DEX if you want to actually try most new weapons.STR if you wanna faceroll the DLC.
>>683843007I'm the guy he's arguing with. There were no bosses that had NO safe windows. It's just that some endgame bosses had some combos that couldn't be reliably punished, and it was really frustrating waiting long ass times to get a single hit when you could use a katana and get in at least 3x the hits.
>>683843216>can't help but keep responding but blames the other's "compulsion to post"the difference here is that I am doing so to see the triple down, and so far you've delivered. you post without thought or care, going so far to use the same "no u" argument you mocked not one post before this one. Maybe if you keep repeating>u madyou'll get that epic bantz win you oh so desperately desire, but can never obtain due to incompetence.
>>683831402I don't see a single mention of powerstancing in the patch notesAre you dumb, or am I?
>>683833425>when anon said greatswords he didn't mean greatswords but certain colossal weaponI will never forgive From for naming entire group of weapons Greatswords, then making a Greatsword that is colossal sword.
>>683842818>83842818>>683842747(You)Looks like Rakshasa blade
>>683843127That would do for the boss, but it's still not the same as keeping the rewards, getting dupe boss souls and raising the entire area's level to NG+ to make it harder.>inb4 they won't add it because people would cheese it!Nah, I think the only problem would be making the game's progression too complex and unforgiving for normalfags to understand. They would poop and piss about how they accidentally used it at a random SoG in Caelid and fucked that area's difficulty forever.
>>683843219Neither will prepare you for the final boss unless you use some specifically broken shit.
>>683843371Thanks.I prefer to do these facestomp runs after a regular one so it‘s easier to gauge hiw strong some builds can be.
>>683843474That's a lot of words just to admit to being mad. I accept your concession
>>683844019>tell him to keep running the u mad strat>the madlad does itto think you lads ever had the gall to call anyone else npcs
>>683843964keep in mind the dex weapons aren't bad by any means, especially with status effects. They simply don't shutdown bosses like STR weapons.
>>683843471You know what I'd argue was more frustrating? Getting hits in on extremely tight punish windows with daggers and still feeling like shit because your damage was so bad.I remember I spent the entire weekend trying to get my first kill on Malenia with dual daggers. I even got really good at parrying her with dagger parry. With your shit damage you were getting waterfowled multiple times. Every mistake undid multiple hits. And your shit range meant you couldn't pussyfoot. Every time you committed to hitting you either had to stop at one/two dagger hits and be ready to haul ass or just pray she didn't waterfowl. Lose the RNG and fail to get away and the hits you take extend the fight enough that she will do at least another waterfowl.Maybe if the unlock spin tech was well known and understood back then it would've been different. But fuck me I doubt colossals were as frustrating as that.
I haven't played the dlc, is Radahn harder than Malenia?
>>683842742>Fingerprint+Anvil Hammerfucking based
>>683844270I mean, you might be the only person on earth using daggers. Most dex users use dual wield katanas, curved swords or twinblades, all of which could outdamage colossals with higher speed and recovery.
>>683844361I'd say he kills you more easily but he's not as bullshit.People whine about phase 2 a lot because of the visuals but his moveset is basically the same, you can avoid everything by dodging left and he's pretty reasonable if you can take a hit.
>>683842546He's been around since JustinTV and DS and DkS on PS3, don't know what to tell you. He's not into no hit, speedrunning or pvp as much, he mostly does challenge runs and meme runs. IIRC he was one of the first to run ladle only in DkS.
Only two months left until the Elden Ring lawsuit.The calm before the storm.
>>683844270What was your build? A standard multihit dagger build absolutely shreds, even more if you use status effects.>>683844793I guess the algorithm wasn't kind to him. I assume he stays in his corner since he never got into Bingo and Omit events.Call me an ecleeb fag but I've never heard of him despite watching most of Gino, Bushy, Aggy, Captain Domon, Skumnut, Toto, Ainrun, Dist2, HappyHob, Starchrist, Curtis.
>>683844875source or you're a retard>tripfagyou're already a drooling retard but post source
>>683831402Powerstancing is still strong, arguably still too strong, I always hated dual wielding builds.Thank god for the two-handed talisman from the dlc though, really evens the playing field.
>>683839367>dodging>bleedyou didn't beat him
>>683844361Malenia has two 'bullshit' moves that you'll need to constantly be mindful of, play around, and position yourself to avoid.PCR has like five of them. Plus a couple that functions like a quick startup hit-confirm into long combo chains that is very likely to kill you if you play without a shield. Still not unmanageable but expect longer practice attempts.
>>683837349Two good games with one bad game is better than 2 good games with 4 terrible ones
>>683837560Powerstancing blatantly doing 1,7x the damage compared to using one weapon is retarded and a threat to the balance of the game, the fact that they balanced the game by nerfing powerstancing instead of buffing lone weapons means that they want the game to be challenging not easier.
>>683845112He's done collabs with dist2 since like 2015 or so , and Ellajaz, Ouroboros and HappyHob. I learned of dist2 through Lobosjr in 2016 when dist2 was routing ASS to ASS in DkS3. He's one of the OGs and in his late 30's now so maybe younger zoomzooms and gen A missed out on him.
>>683844361Malenia break some in game mechanics to get the upper hand, at first it catch you by surprise but you can get used to. Radahn on the other hand directly attack your frame rate to make avoiding his attacks impossible.
>>683831402Embrace pirated offline, white man.
>>683845296Powerstancing colossals never felt that that strong to me, it requires way too much stats to be usable compared to a basic charged R2 build. Hell you can get a CR2 build mostly complete in Limgrave without killing any boss and you don't need to level a whole bunch for it.>determination>charged attack tear (and you get the stamina one as a bonus, perfect for this)>charged attack talisman>large club and greataxe are both free pickups in limgrave>knight armor from roundtable for that 51 poise>>683845595I guess I just memory hole'd him. I vaguely remember some PVP stuff that was maybe him
>>683845475eh, you get 1.5x str bonus + 10% more stance damage + Guard Counters + two-handing tali. I'd say it's pretty fair. PS weapons also consume a lot more stamina than one hand or two hand weapons which is very risky for learning bosses. Damage isn't everything.
>>683846149>eh, you get 1.5x str bonus + 10% more stance damage + Guard Counters + two-handing tali>powerstancingu wot m8?
>>683834578>>683834726A shame they got nerfed pretty hard
>>683841360>Riposte -> Ordovis's Sword L2 -> Riposte loopYou consider this cheese? I thought its intended way to play as Crucible Tarnished. Crucible horn to close distance and send flying any humanoid, Ordovis AoWAlso, you can call Nox twin puppets for a lore reasons or Mad Pumpkin Ez game.
Hi /v/ what should I make sure I do before burning the sealing treeI don't want to get locked out of 6 questlines AGAIN like I did in Base game
>>683846819the npc quests that aren't pre-messmer and that's about it
>>683834004>FromshittersYou sound salty. Why would anyone care about your retard opinion when you start your post with something so seething?
>>683846819Grind grave keepers cloak/duelist set it becomes inaccessible
>>683847164wrong area m8
Power stancing's lame. Using two different classes of weapons in each hand to have a variety of options of attacks is way cooler.
>>683846819You should be done with every npc's questline post Messmer except Thiollier. They should be either dead or missing from your game world by the point you burn the seal.
>>683831402>bleed still prolapses enemies anuses>mimic tear still SSS+There's literally no problem. Right now I'm using Cock Skull Guillotine greatsword from the homosexual skeleton knight that protects the loli bitch and I'm having a blast. If anything becomes a problem I'll just switch to the ol' reliable. The real problem is: you fucks don't know how to have fun with a video game.
>>683833425GREATAXE CHADS…
>>683847296I'm done with Thioller since I did all the Trina stuff
>>683847519who cares greataxes are goated
>>683832520trvthnvke. all of the 'this game sucks because you have to look up the meta builds' crowd are genuinely too retarded to come up with powerful builds themselves
>>683833480I never saw such things said on reddit. This kind of shit comes EXCLUSIVELY from /v/. /v/ is not only is gay, it's also extremely retarded.
>>683840304Wish we got an unfingered Vyke set.
RL1 no blessing no hit, I cannot for the life of me handle Death Knights if they open with a simple walk forward,I hate the spinning lightning slash and the blinkbolts.
>>683832415>play Quake>bunnyhop>Rocket jump>YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAMEHow about you stop being gay for once?
>>683837859>cakewalk>used summonsnow go back and actually beat the game
>>683848720I wonder how stats would be like if ER didn't have spirit summons,I bet the boss kill rate would be much lower.
>>683848990If ER didn’t have spirit summons the bosses would be slower/do less damage/have less HP so
>>683848990Spirit Summons shouldn't get upgrades. It makes no sense to Mimic Tear tank 20x more damage than you.
>>683849042you can nerf bosses by 30% in exchange for no spirit summons and I'd wager it makes no difference.Shitters will be bad regardless of boss stats
What's the sneediest build for invading?
>>683849461probably dex/int with gravity sorceries and DLC dex weaopns & ashes
>>683849461Endure/Infinite poise flask Madding hand into whatever oneshot method you prefer.Or Rock Heart double DC seal Dragon Breath
>>683831816>don't roll or your cheesing>don't attack or your cheesing>don't move or your cheesing
>>683847597yes and we got buffed. for me, it’s greataxes and hammers
