KINOhttps://youtu.be/fRuWVMhAPnA?si=I_R8zDAv14eCtKyH
>>689262018Neat, how's the demo?
>>689262018They ruined Coppelia!
>>689262018>remake
im gonna romance her saga's
>>689262018Who is the harpy? She is pure sexoooooooooooo
>>689264834Holy sexFace veils are too damn lewd they should be a requirement for all women
>>689262018Why not RS4? What is Kawazu thinking?
>>689265167He and his team are cooking. Let's pray RS4 isn't a mixture of Unlimited and Emerald Beyond.
>>689262018Is this series even good?Provide me the following information:What's the gameplay like?What's the series known for?Are there any directors, studios, or developers that are well known for their quality games?Is the game coming to PC?Provide this information or else...
>>689265276It should be even more obtuse than Unlimited SaGa. We have to return to reading the manual.
>>689265167Romancing SaGa 4 is a part of the SaGa series and is a sequel to Romancing SaGa 3. It stars new character and a new make-believe legend known as the "Eight Pyramid Jewels." It will be released for the Wii U, Playstation 4, and Xbox One in June 2016. It will also be released for the Nintendo NX. This is a part of SaGa's 25th anniversary.- PlotA long time ago, on Earth their was 8 Pyramid Jewels that has strong powers. A devil named, Jaxus wanted to get the power to rule the world. Some heroes defeated him and they placed each in a different position. But, 900 years later, he was revived by the "Four Imperial Hellions." The new heroes have to go through adventures of collecting all 8 jewels, beating the FIH, and destroying Jaxus for good.After the heroes defeated all of the Four Imperial Hellions, they ask a genius, Norman (not playable) where Jaxus was, because he researched everything about the 8 Pyramid Jewels, the Four Imperial Hellions, and Jaxus. He said that Jaxus is in an underground castle under Forgus.After the heroes defeated Jaxus, he went to a rocket and blast off into space to the moon. Norman said that he was planning to bring back the Destroyer from Romancing SaGa 3 back to life. They have to find parts to make the rocket to go to the moon and save everyone from Jaxus and the Destroyer.After they defeated Jaxus and the Destroyer, they left the moon before the Destroyer destroyed the Moon. But Wynne and Koline had the unknown power of creation. So they used it to form the moon again with Jaxus and the Destroyer not there. Then the Earth went back to being in good order.
>>689265276What's wrong with Emerald Beyond? Thought people said it was solid.
>>689265167RS2R -> RS3R -> RS4trust the plan
>>689262018>Final Fantasy Legend and Final Fantasy Adventure are carrying SE JRPGs in 2024As a Manabro, I salute you SaGachads. We're eating good this year.
>>689265354>What's the gameplay like?Janky.>What's the series known for?Janky gameplay and janky visuals.>Are there any directors, studios, or developers that are well known for their quality games?SaGa was always Square's lab rat franchise for experimenting with retarded ideas.>Is the game coming to PC?Probably full of phone-home DRM and day-1 DLC, yes.
>>689265354>What's the gameplay like?Turn based jrpg that is a branch of the old FF battle systems with a few unique mechanics related to in-combat ability learning>What's the series known for?It's the OG open ended jrpg>Are there any directors, studios, or developers that are well known for their quality games?SaGa has a cult following with many of it's ideas being folded to what is considered the modern jrpg>Is the game coming to PC?Yes
>>689262018based
>>689262018>that termites scream at the endHOLY BASEDdo 3 next for the love of god and ill die happy
mmm monster seggs
1. Did they lie about adding new scenarios?2. How's the Demo?3. Ninja is in, so are they going to add stuff from the Remaster, so it's not like the Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster?4. What are the implications of having Dancers to recruit? Can you recruit Blacksmiths as well?5. Termites!
Is this the series where the gimmick is you take over multiple generations of protagonists? I have never played any myself. Would this be a good place to start?
>>689265414It is very divisive. I personally like it but it has a lot of problems.>the different worlds have variants to them depend on your number of playthroughs as well as who the protagonist is make the writing all over the place. It has a few highs but too many lows.>the Emerald Wave pointing out where to go make the worse world variants feel a lot more of a slog as you just go from point A to point B to just get it over with>can't skip events, even the ones you've already seen>slow and clunky UI>there's no normal shop where you buy and sell stuff, you have to trade materials through a menu, and trading what net you what is somewhat obtuse. This combine with the clunky UI makes it a real chore to do.And to be honest, even if I'm not a graphic whore, the whole game just feel really cheap.
Will it have a Rocbouquet rape sim?
>>689265414The only actual flaws with the game are the slow UI and a couple boring worlds. Aside from those it's fucking great
>>689265953It's basically a Scarlet Graces asset flip, that's why.
>>689265910that's only this one
>>689262018>Every single character is a one-dimensional tropeTranime was a mistake. Why can't japs write complex characters.
>Squaresoft>Barrage of new IPs kino>Square Enix>remake remastered resell
>>689262018I still can't believe it's getting a remake. It's such a niche hardcore title. I hope they keep the pure kino ending.
>>689262018is this the first fully AI voiced video game?
>>689262018Can't wait to erupt volcano and kill all lizards.Again.
>>689262018ninja chick is a qt
surprised they even showed clevage
>No loli party memberI'm gonna pass.
>>689265354Ignore this faggot >>689265491See this dude >>689265564
>>689265414Outside of the UI and some middling character design it's really good, but it was still riding on a shoestring budget at it shows, a couple of worlds are clearly underdeveloped compared to others and they also had to cut some of them.Also trading was a really, really bad decision, overall it's a great entry but it's still meant mostly for hardcore fans who vibe with how Unlimited did things, if you don't like that you probably won't like EB, that and there's a lot of throwbacks to the GB games.>>689267405There is one actually, the Diver class.
I have heard stories about softlocking on the SNES version.Also, how is Scarlet Grace Ambitions
>>689267234>Windy has less clothes than in the Romancing Saga mobageBased remake devs
So, I'm confused, the people on the cover aren't the main party/group? The red-haired prince isn't the MC? You can just pick whoever you want to join your party? I've never really played SaGa games; I know that's kind of a gimmick of the games is each character has its own class.
What's with the gross budget 3d graphics?
>>689268494I don't know about SNES version, but in phone/console version you can pick NG+ at any time and keep sjit that you obtained.Just be sure NOT to run from battles.
>>689268371proportions look tall flat and hair looks male. Please confirm vagina and how tall is she compared to an adult male and I will buy the game.
someone datamine the music already
>>689268656RS2 is a game of your whole kingdom and lineage. The game has first prince / king, but after events a time skip will occur and you pick the one who will inherit the throne.The game can end 1000 years after the intro scene.
>>689268494You can't softlock yourself unless you do absolutely retarded shit like completing the mermaid quest with the Final Emperor, which is basically impossible for you to do unknowingly.Also given how much the devs have butchered the game in this remake I doubt you can even do that in here.>how is Scarlet Grace AmbitionsIt's divisive because it plays like a HOMM game, in the sense that you don't have dungeons or cities to explore, other than that it's good, it's a romancing style game with fairly complex campaign and quest design.It suffered from very low budget though so the graphics are pretty bad and the gameplay got streamlined a fair bit, Emerald Beyond is basically a direct upgrade in terms of gameplay but it also doesn't have a lot of mechanics from SSG, and a lot of core mechanics are different as well since EB is like the GB games or Frontier rather than the Romancing style.
>>689268713>>689268371>>689267405If anything it looks like they delolified it from the original design. I had modern Square Enix so much its unreal. Can't wait for this company to go under.
I don't know about you bros, but I already like this game.
>>689269165Don't worry, we all know you don't actually care about these games and are just here to shitpost like you do in the DQ threads
>>689268713This is what she looks like in game.
She's also cute>>689269382Not that guy, but I care and do buy these games. It's pretty gay that square enix feels like changing things for no reason. Luckily it isn't as bad as this anon has shown.>>689269412
>>689262018>Looks like a PS2 gameWTF is wrong with the JRPG genre?
>>689269449They turned every girl into a generic sameface waifu including coppelia on top of making most of them wear less clothes than in the original designs, even Rose looks like 30 years younger for some reason.You should be worried about the gameplay changes rather than XEEN being hacks and turning every female character into cheap waifubait.
>zoomer tries to bait with the ps2 shitpostgrimm
>>689269638How young are you? "waifu" doesn't mean cute girl. It means wife. Go back to genshin or twitter dude.
>>689269886I could very probably be your dad.
>>689270018I doubt that. I'm pretty old too.
hmmm, the redesigns for the final emperors are kinda mediocre
>>689270709That is the concept art for the original for the most part. I'd say it is quite faithful to how Kobayashi intended.
It really looks and feels like a switch game, but I'm not complaining.
>>689271249Same team who did Trials of Mana and Visions of Mana did this. Hence why it feels like that.
>Jams in the first fucking dungeon>Zombies are weak to slash damage for some reasonNot a good start, they gave Therese Life Water for some reason.>>689270963Not really, the final empress in particular looks almost nothing like the original concept by kobayashi, some core details are there but overall it's a very liberal redesign.It's more of a weird mix of the concept art and the SNES sprites, I'm not really into it.
>>689271315visions was made by another team (already disbanded)
>>689271701They're not fully dead. They updated the pc version a few days ago. It's only a small team left last I heard.
>63 posts>4 unique postersGrim.
what's the ingame explanation for everyone coming back after 8 deaths or whatever? I don't really "get" RS2
>>689268971sounds interesting about SaGa Scarlet Grace
>Octopath weakness systemugh, this shit is so bad, this is what happens when Kawazu isn't making games
>>689271580You normally do not have access to any healing spells early on. Also Therese is known for most players to be the FIRST to die off in their playthroughs.
>>689271905Don't care, still gonna have a blast
>>689262018Played the demo for a while and I can confirm it's kino
>>689271958That's what Balms are for, Aries also starts with hydrology spells, not sure why they had to give her Life Water but also not bumping her HP since even in this remake she dies in one hit.>>689271965Yeah, I'm sure most people don't care since they don't play these games and only like mindless shovelware like Octopath.
EB's combat is far too addicting compared to this
>>689262018Looks good.No switch?!PS5 it is then, but I prefer my JRPG ON switch for maximum comfy
>>689272420it's on switch as well
>>689271848poster #5 has arrived
>>689272420It looks and plays like a switch game. It's very clearly on the switch.
SaGa won
>>689272297It's really shitty and mindless, that Overdrive function is embarassingly bad as well, I'm not at all impressed so far.Not a surprise since none of the people who made this have any experience, this is an Octopath game wearing Romancing SaGa 2's skin.
>>689272192Downloading for weekend enjoyment tomorrow
>>689272495>>689272538Nice
>>689262018>TGS trailer>English dubWhy?
>>689272557>SaGa won>By wasting budget on a shit remake instead of giving it to KawazuSo far, outside of the OST I can't see anything that makes this worth playing over the remaster, which is worrying considering how good the other remakes were, this shit doesn't even feel like a SaGa game for the most part.
>>689272762It's the ps trailer. That audience only want's dubs.
>>689272557Emerald Beyond and its DEI checklist cast losted bigly
Honestly the new SaGa games are so hard to play for me with the ugly 3d and bland world design.
>>689262018Also does anybody else think this looks kind of like the newer He games? 8/9/X
>>689272527https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9skNJnkfSjI
>>689272819Kawazu is probably working on the next game it's known this is handled by the mana guysIf you're still skeptical just wait for the SaGa frontier 2 remaster, that'll be the real test to see if SaGa has went to shit or not
>>689272947>HeI meant Ys
>>689262018How bad is the camera censorship?
Why the fuck are there Gerard portraits copypasted everywhere, in his pajama moreover
>>689272947yes it looks like a dogshit falcom game like cold steel/nu-ys
>>689268713You know only older female children are not flat right? So it's normal for a kid character to be flat.
>>689269412Eh, this is fine I guess. The height saves it, even if the proportions and hair suck. But its nowhere near as good as >>689269165 and I still feel like they changed it to spite me. >>689269382Fuck you. You have no idea how much of my day I waste mourning JRPGs.
>>689273631sure thing poser
>>689273631What do you not like about the proportions?
>SE-fags attempting to convince themselves that this is good artDire.
>>689273826Good art
>>689273721Head, hands and feet are too small proportionately to the body, which grow at different rates. She looks more like a tiny adult than a child like the original concept art in >>689269165
>>689273826Given that SaGa barely gets ANY love, we take what we can fucking get at this point.
>>689265414It has the same problem Scarlet Grace did. It could have been an absolutely amazing game and potentially genre-defining game, but it's held back by its pocket change of a budget.
Just want this game to do well to fund Kawazu and pals for the real shit
Natalie hair seems to be based on her imperial saga design.>>689273981I'd say they tried and they didn't give her tits to make her look older. By the way the concept art is Mariah. I'd like to compare divers to npc children in term of height desu.
Game seems fine and all but this sure as shit isn't another Minstrel Song
Looks (visually) like shit compared to VoM, fucking Switch holding games back. Why didn't they just want a couple of months for Switch 2 so they didn't have to develop for a shitty 2018 phone?
>>689265953Don't lie to the man.
>>689274493How's the camera compared to VoM?
I will play on hardI will make good use of Walrus.
>Butchered literally every single mechanic from the original game>Hard mode is still easier than the original game>New mechanics are all half assed if not downright bad>Completely fucked the balance of the original game where status effects actually mattered>Forces you to talk to people and watch cutscenes to progress through the game>New dungeon layouts kinda suck>Save points in a fucking SaGa game>Viktor's fight got turned into a bad cutscene tooI'm just not feeling this, you can tell at a glance Kawazu had nothing to do with this shit, it feels so fucking wrong and amateurish at all levels outside of the admittedly great arrangements of the original music.
>>689262018looks like a vita game
>>689274856Hard is just normal / old difficulty. Of course we'll play that.
>>689272527I love the skeleton dance!
>>689274703soul...
>Try the demo for that Emerald SaGa game on PC>Godawful dub>Looks like a mobile game >Story seems dumb as fuckPlease tell me that this is the worst intro to the franchise because holy shit did it fucking suck
>look at UI>wow, this looks like a soulful old game>realize that all it took was the devs giving a shit (in the graphical design department) instead of just throwing in stock borderless black window assets and calling it a daygaming really has gone under in the past decade, huh
>>689265910It's not even multiple generations. When your character dies or "ages" you just pick a new heir. The heirs aren't even related to you or anything, could just be a random dude in your castle. I was disappointed by that, but the game was enjoyable.
>>689275984The UI and main menu design is really important, especially in a game where you navigate through menus often. These days you get shit like FF XV and Valkyrie Elysium (god that menu is disgusting), but the game that started this trend was none other than FF X
>>689276304I thought the idea was some sort of soft eugenics thing and you pass down traits through generations? What carries over then as you progress through these different protagonists? Or is just pure unexplained gameplay that doesn't have any actual canonical tie in?
>>689262018I don't like the animu artstyle
>>689276701NTAEverything. Stats, equipment, learned skills. From what I remember, the only thing that does not carry over is LP (life points).Changing / picking emperors of different class is how you learn new battles formation, so never stay with just one class.
>>689276701It's inheritance magic, whoever gets appointed as the successor to the throne inherits all of their predecessors' memories and weapon/spell proficienciesThe whole deal is to keep powering up the emperor through the line of succession so that eventually they'll grow strong enough to defeat the seven heroes.
Anyone tried the demo yet? My pc died so I can't right now.
>>689262018So nice of PlayStation to promote a Nintendo seller in Japan.
>>689277231It's about a couple hours long and only goes up to the first fight with Kzinssie.Probably the first time in the series' history where a remake may actually be worse than the original but it'll probably be decent enough on its own right.Might not be worth the 50 bucks unless you really want to support the series
Why does it look like a weeb siht?
>Kujinshi's first fight is actually a legit fight now>Also he ignores your formation and he has bullshit stats too>More Octopath shit with special attacks every couple of rounds and different parts you should target before he nukes youSome people will genuinely think this trash is a SaGa game
>>689277597SaGa was always weeb
>>689277463Is the camera as bad as VoM? Characters disappearing the moment you slightly lower the camera is especially annoying.
>>689277838No disappearing characters but it doesn't go very low
>>689278109That's fine also at this point everything would disappear in VoM. It's also extremely distracting. It was at its worst in DQ Treasure where you'd have even fucking male npc disappear the moment you got close to them.
>>689262018do i need to know anything about saga to play this? or have played romancing saga 1 before?
Yeah, not feeling it.This is not SaGa, it's honestly just a mockery of the original game for the most part but with some admittedly really good arrangements of the original score.>>689278997All SaGa games are self contained, there's no continuity between entries.I honestly don't recommend this remake going by this demo, it plays almost nothing like a SaGa game and got twisted into something else entirely to an offensive degree, pick up the remaster of Romancing SaGa 2 instead because this shit is at best an Octopath spinoff with some Romancing SaGa 2 fanservice.
Man, really? I just beat the 7 heroes. Well I guess I have to do another playthrough, maybe next time I'll grab dark magic.
>>689268806Same did anyone data mine
>>689266369>bravely default, octopath, triangle strategy don't count as new ips because they just don't ok!
The demo was really awesome. The gameplay is not as amazing as EB but then what could ever match up to peak JRPG combat, it's still great and it's a remake so they have to make some concessions to the original. I was gonna get this game anyway but demo convinced me to preorder.
>>689263864It's expected, that's how she looked in the gacha
>>689264417There's also already a remaster.
>>689281405This design wasn't going to play well in 3D.
>>689278109That's much further than Vision of Mana.
finished the demoit was better than i was expecting although i wish i could turn off the motion blur on the ps5 version. Difficulty seems pretty similar to the original too.
Is it normal that I find divers sexy? Their designs make me want to cry.
>>689274703>where muh cinematic cutscenesThe series isn't for you
How do you use unarmed attacks in this remake?
>>689285394main menu > equipment > equip your hands to slot 1 or 2
>>689285484That's odd, but thank you.
I saw a trailer for this game and there was a split second frame of a character with HUGE tits that were barely covered. Is that an important character and if so what is her name?
SO2 Remake was good.
So HD-2D or full 3D for the eventual remake?
>>689262018This style doesn't fit with how I imagined it.
>>689286214Fuck HD-2D, Square Enix can't be trusted to not fuck it up with post-processing somehow.
>>689284002How far does the demo go?
>>689287226up until leon gets soulsucked, like an hour to an hour and a half of gamesave data carries over to the full game
>>689286596sorry for the darkened colors but the art for romancing saga has always been beautiful. would be nice to see an art style that could replicate that.
>>689262018so who are the seven heroes?
>>6892880097 villains
>>6892880097 Jackie Chans
>>689288009
>>689265414I'm sorry but EB just looks like crap. It looks like a cheap mobile game. The game would have to be a goddamn once in a decade masterpiece to make me overcome the horrid visuals.RS2 remake goes a bit too far into kawaii uguu territory but it still has a much better presentation, it looks like a proper video game.
>>689267234This remake is by the same people who remade Trials of Mana so they are based.
I am pretty curious how the 7 fellers boss will look in this version
>>689289208>amazon raidnice>>689289423>rapid streamdisgusting
>denuvoWell shit. Surely SaGa doesn't have to budget to keep it for long.
>>689290791Buy it nigger
>>689262018Why is there a schoolgirl character design in the medieval fantasy game
>>689291313I will when denuvo is removed.
>>689262018Honestly it looks pretty shit
>>689291313>Buy denuvo game>So more devs waste money on denuvo and causing their game to run like shit instead of putting the money into developmentNah nigger. Fuck off.
>>689291313Don't be a racist faggot.
>>689262018>TGSDoesn't it start in a week?
>>689262018Why are the character designs so terrible? Modern anime is ugly
>>689291697Buy it on a console (any console) where there is no denuvo.
>>689262018I played the demo and it was literally low budget slop
>>689291465what's the problemo
>>689265354SaGa games are for pure RPG ADHD schizos. The ones who write spreadsheets and have to keep a notepad on how many times they used X skill so they can build characters properly. The ones who have to keep track of total battles because difficulty scales off an invisible counter called battle rank.A majority of games are ugly as shit, both in 3D and 2D. Again, it's schizo shit. It's worshipped on /v/ because it's filled with schizos.
>>689292272Better than DEI slop like ff17 rebirth or ff16.
>>689292272Great, means I won't have to see Indian names in the credits
>>689292449You need to play The Legend of Legacy is you think SaGa series is hard lel.SaGa games are not for people who overlevel in the first 15h and then breeze through the game.
>>689284002>LP 0It's the little things.
I haven't played the demo yet (am sick in bed), but from what I've heard there is no MP.I wonder what's the prerequisite for magic school now. In OG you need to have 25 MP on hero, I think. Also, is Hasten Time gonna be OP, again.
>>689262018sell me on this franchise
>>689262018>picSo does Cat have proper panties or is it the same old SE censorslop spats?
>>689262018I live under a rock is that game the one where villain can steal the mac guffins/you can offer them to him and basically make the final battle almost impossible?
>>689294694its like no other RPG you ever played i forgot if its this one or the 3rd one where you can and prob will brick your character if your not careful
>ps4 controller dpad wont work>steam overlay doesnt work properly either>kb+m mouse doesnt worklmao what is this trash
>>689296782Your PC, obviously.
>>689294913can someone answer this before i even bother?
>>689296878Yeah, especially since this is the only game behaving that way. Not even going to bother turning on DS4 for the next lazy Enix slop.
>>689296903Im the trailer the ninja has spats which seems like a design choice for a tomboy. Because the green fairy and the dancer have proper panties if you go frame by frame
>>689297368Imagine buying games for console and being completely helpless when it comes to censorship. Which happens all the time nowadays. PC and switch emulation has mods to fix shit atleast.
>>689297593>I fix censorship by adding tits 17 times bigger>and me likes modsLet's be honest. The only reason why people play on PC is because they can use trainers to beat the fucking game, and then you have the audacity to make fun equally retarded youtubers and revieweres who do the same. But at least they admit it.
>>689296975My DS4 works fine
>>689295354romancing saga minstrel song
>>689297806Dumb nigger why do you even reply with these sub 80 IQ strawman posts? Just look at Visions of Mana, only pc has mods removing the retarded camera fade censor.Plenty games get modded to not have voids under skirts. Enjoy your censorslop on consoles.
>>689298014I will. And you enjoy your mods...I mean trainers.
>>689297806>let's be honest>proceeds to not be honestsnoykeks
>>689297368>green fairy pantiesOoooooooooooh?
>>689298098You people used mods to remove Bethesda logo from Starfield. Tgat nid is one of the most downloaded ones. You can't get worse than that.
>>689272878>DEI checklist castsecondary detected
What are the train station names that the 7 heroes reference again? I know Kzinssie is Shunjuku
>>689298014>Plenty games get modded to not have voids under skirtspost some of your favorite examples, the most I usually see is games where they do already have modeled panties but the camera is locked so you can't pan down see them during gameplay
>>689281939>is supposed to be a doll/mechanical construct>redesigned to a girl with wheels on her elbowsDoubt my opinion matters when I never played these games originally, but I would've preferred to see them try and translate her original design into 3D. Whether or not it'd work, she'd still look more unique than she does currently.
>>689298541Better than void or disappearing characters because it's still possible to try some things.
>>689265414The battle mechanics are fun, but you get locked into worlds and you are guided by green threads constantly. You'd need to be braindead to get lost in Emerald Beyond, and it really hampers the exploration that previous games had. Even Scarlet Grace gave the player more flexibility depending on the character. Also mucho texto compared to other entries. Still a good game, I just rank Romancing SaGa Minstrel Song, 2, 3, SaGa 2, SaGa Frontier, and Scarlet Grace over it.
>>689276304The Final Emperor is probably a blood descendant.
I still don't understand, so like, you play as eight generations of royalty/emperors or some shit? So, each one is a different character with its own story/personality? One anon told me it goes like 1,000 years into the future which is retarded to me since this implies each generation/future emperor rules for at least 100 years, if not longer.
>>689287957I think I understand that anon, if ROT7 artstyle resembled the "painting" feeling of Kobayashi it would be better received
>>689299548> One anon told me it goes like 1,000 years into the future which is retarded to me since this implies each generation/future emperor rules for at least 100 years, if not longer.>Applying realistic logic to cultivator fantasy shitSounds like a (you) problem
>>689265167>Why not RS4?already existshttps://essenceofsaga.wordpress.com/home/book-index/unused-scene-room/
>>689299986That didn't answer my question, but okay. So, you play as like eight generations worth of rulers? It's called the "Seven Kingdoms" and there are seven villains, so I figured each generation has to battle one of the seven villains or some shit. That just tells me it takes 100 years to slay one villain.
>>689300249*not him*Time skip occurs when you retrieve a lost part of the kingdom. It doesn't have to be killing one of the seven heroes.Maybe they changed that in remake, I don't know, but I know it never bothered me. It is a fantasy game, anon.
SNIFFFF
>>689300829
>>689262018Will the ninja babes be in?
>>689263864sex with dolls
>>689276304>I was disappointed by thatImagine being disappointed by roman style emperors
>>689300829>>689300985All the female characters I've seen so far are cute. This team is based and I hope the "ethics department" never gets to them
>>689262018>squeenix can only make demakesGrim. I hope they went bankrupt
>We get to see the backstories of the seven heroes>Kzinssie is a fucking brat like I imaginedwtf, weird to see your headcanon end up being accurate.
>>689303068The game seems to draw from the stage play and mobage.
>remake>starts with the sequelmight pirate
>>689292864>Legend of LegacyMost of the difficulty stems from playing tug of war with singing shards. The final boss is also a complete meme who jobs to counter techs.
>>689303249The first game was remade already, it was also fucking perfect
>>689303249This isn't a sequel, also there is already a excellent remake of Romancing Saga 1 called Minstrel Song.
Played the demo and I can easily imagine purists getting mad at all the QoL. An indicator that shows you which moves are more likely to glimmer? Yeah...
>>689303546>>689303592it's a remaster
Is Akitoshi Kawazu related to this remake at all?
>>689304191retard
Is this game fun?
Tried playing the remaster a few years ago but the shitty controls (sometimes the game goes apeshit during menus) made me drop it. Also the Battle Rank. I know how they change the rules every game, but trying to not raise it and making the game harder is a chore.
>>689304223He's related to everything SaGa. Once he retires so will SaGa. No one in SE cares about this series and just allow him to pump out cheap games to not have to deal with his whining.
>>689264834>Romancing Saga>Has no Romance
>>689304723It's a old time way of calling adventure stories.
>>689304416Except he's not related to this remake and it's actually the Mana bros
>>689304223No and it shows, this shit ain't SaGa, it's an abomination
>>689304241It's a ps2 remaster and not a remake like rs2.
>>689304191Compare Minstrel Song to the original right now you fucking bozo. It's literally transitioned from a 2D SNES game to a full 3d game with voice acting
>>689305232Yes, PS2 version is the remake.
>>689305232Retard-kun I....
>>689304723It has actually, you can fuck fishpussy if your emperor is male.Also romance isn't necessarily about sex and dating you fucking zoomer.
>>689305232Have a (You) I don't believe anyone can be this dumb.
>romancing saga gets everything>even frontier>all I want is frontier 2 with a really expanded gustav scenario
>>689305793Frontier 2 is the plebbest SaGa.
>>689303068He's a bishie because this is nu-SaGa and they used the Stage design.Tomomi's version of Kujinshi is a rugged, handsome gigachad.
>>689262018No muslim women as playable characters this time I'm assuming?
>>689305287>>689305349>>689305626It's still a remaster of a 14 year old remake and not a remake which has completely different artstyle and design from this rs2 remake.>>689305471I'm aware. The issue is that they remastered a ps2 version instead of remaking it like they are doing now
so whats the verdict right now? a good game but a bad SaGa game?
>>689305971>and not a remake which has completely different artstyle and design from this rs2 remake.But that's exactly what Minstrel Song is though???
>>689262018>Gerard's voicehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci8dIpNcyEY
>>689305971The steam version of Minstrel Song isn't a remake it's a straight up port of the PS2 remake.
>>689262018How does the combat in these games compare to The Last Remnant? I used to see them being compared.
>>689306209exactly>>689306134cmon man
>>689306669
Will diver be good? I want to have a loli in my team.
>>689306669This is literally a completely different style and game mechanics from the original. Just like Revenge of the Seven is to RomSaGa2
>>689292205How is saga 2 remaster? The one in your pic
>>689292272At this point I just play low budget square games since they are much better and soulfull than their AAA slop
>>689305793I want that Unlimited Saga remaster that includes a proper manual and maybe a few QoL tweaks to its UI
>>689306038Its too early to tell outside of one guy complaining.
>>689306209>port of the PS2 remake.The PS2 remake IS Minstrel Song, it only had that title dropped in North America because we never got the original localized
>>689306880Great, but new players would probably drop it because sometimes there are no indicators on where are you supposed to go next. Imagine PS1 version of Dragon Quest VII, basically.
>>689307405I see, I am gonna give it a go after the remake I only played the original with a translation guide.
>>689306867yes and it came out in 92 with the second and third game retaining the same styleright now we got a unreal slop remake of the second game and a ps2 port of the first
>>689307749I don't even understand your point anymore. Original post said why did they remake the second game, people replied with the true fact that they already remade the first, but it doesn't count because it was for the PS2? Why the hell would they remake a remake?
>>689306038>a good gameDepends on your standards>but a bad SaGa game?This shit ain't SaGa>>689306867Not really, most of the core mechanics from the SNES original are in MS, just revisited and expanded upon, RS2R on the other hand completely butchers and omits mechanics
>>689265167Kawazu during these years has painstakingly made sure to rerelease most of the series in official format in some capacity, the only three major titles missing currently are the original SNES Romancing (not sure if we'll ever get that one), Frontier 2 (and we know the remaster of that is coming soon) and Unlimited (which let's be honest, is the one needing a remake or at least a fuckton of qol changes to work).10 years ago SaGa was just a forgotten franchise that Square had barely released in the west in all of its life and had only a dedicated fanbase. If back then i was told we would have got annual releases and finally import old ass titles like Romancing 3 which would have given us gems like picrel, i would have laughed in your face and called you retarded. This level of effort earns at least some degree of respect from my part.
>>689262018>developed by XEEN>look EXACTLY like Trials of Mana, just less cartoonymakes sense
>>689308096>Not really, most of the core mechanics from the SNES original are in MSTrue but they added shit like combos and vortexes, SaGa 1 and 2 durability and weapon customization. The main artist was also different too. Only thing is RS2R wasn't made by Kawazu, but they were basically attempting a Minstrel Song style attempt at 2 by adding in EB timeline stuff and... Overdrive(not sure if this is a mechanic from another game(
>>689308046>Why the hell would they remake a remake?because a ps2 remaster is not a remakesee>>689306669>>689306760
>>689308431>The main artist was also different tooIt wasn't, main artist was still Tomomi.>but they were basically attempting a Minstrel Song style attempt at 2 by adding in EB timeline stuffNo, lmao, this trash has nothing on Minstrel Song and the timeline is nothing like SSG/EB, this is a demake at best made by people who have no idea what the fuck SaGa's even about
>>689308148>one needing a remake or at least a fuckton of qol changes to workNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
>>689308561>see>>689306669>>689306760those are two different games
>>689308804exactly
Isnt the demo up until like the 1st fight against Kujinshi? There's barely enough time to do any real development.
>>689308561>because a ps2 remaster is not a remakeThe PS2 remaster is a remaster of a REMAKE, what part do you not understand?
>>689308986That is the issue. I know about the snes game, but instead of a rs1 remake we got a ps2 remaster while rs2 got a remake.
>>689309139>but instead of a rs1 remake we got a ps2 remasterBECAUSE WE ALREADY GOT A RS1 REMAKE BROTHER, THAT'S WHAT THE PS2 REMASTER IS.
As long as it doesnt do the whole you have to put the enemy in break to do real damage, ill be fine.
>>689262018Shan’t be playing Squaresloppa
>>689309406It sort of does actuallyOD is basically Break in this game but you have to stun manually through the usual systems, generally you still want to charge up a gauge for big damage though, OD is the dedicated burst damage tool much like Break
>>689262018This looks like shite, Shart Peenix can’t make games.
>>689309735In other games, you'd have to fish for break even against trash. If od is just a burst damage tool for bosses, its more palatable.
>>689309362I already said I'm aware of the snes game. The rs1 remaster but it still based on a ps2 game that came out 14 years ago which makes the unreal slop remake look and feel completely different. Now Imagine if they were to use the 2dhd shit for rs3 lmao
>>689306760>the windowsgod unreal engine is so dogshit, I bet it has clipping all over the place too
>>689262018Another Square flop incoming, Barry is too powerful
>>689310178Nothing to do with the engine lmao. You tards should stop talking about things you have no idea about.
>>689309915It's a burst damage tool in general as you keep OD charge inbetween fights, it's not like the actual games where OD is a resource that is built up from neutral.The bosses have been redesigned around it too, you're clearly supposed to grind OD before a boss fight in here.
>>689262018>Buying SBI trashCouldn’t be me
How much does being a square shill pay?
>>689310737None. I'm not a youtuber or "influencer".
>>689310585got proof it's SBI?
>>689310365trueit's just that that engine is often used to create so much unpolished slop that it becomes easy to tell when dogshit devs decide to use it
>Suddenly an influx of schizosBizarre
>>689310910It’s modern Square, of course it’s infested with that shit
>>689311115So no proof, got it
This is jumping quite on my Must Buy list over DQ3HD.Are we back, JRPGbros?
Saga is a kusoge series.SE-shills need to learn the lesson: Be a little less obvious.1,000 threads spammed for Star Ocean of all things.1,000 for the last Saga kusoge.And now 1,000 more for this one.Don't forget the 1,000 XVI threads and the 1,000 per day MMO threads.Simply a blight on this board.Make a general.
>>689311281Retard
>>689311281Cope
>>689311269>Shit remake that is actually Octopath in a thin disguise>Are we backBuy the actual games instead of this piece of shit that isn't even made by Kawazu
>>689311281I fucking hate you Trails & Persona 5 fanboys.
>>689262018How many times will they remake this motherfucking1 game
>>689311812Exactly 1 time which is this time, it was never remade before
>>689311281>fans of different series exist>this is a shock for the tendie
>>689311557>Octopath in disguiseIf you're an idiot then sure.
>One purist already losing his mind because *gasp* the game shows things to the player instead of pointlessly obfuscating everythinglolThis remake will be more successful than Scarlet Grace and Emerald Beyond combined
>>689311812twice if you count the mobile version, which is funny because the first game got a flop for the ps2 and the third one got a mobile port toothis series is a fucking mess
>>689311557Octopath is inspired by Saga and Live a Live in the first place.
>>689311919If there's one thing I will always be happy to see gone it's old intentional obtuse JRPG design or "buy the guide book faggot" as I like to call it. If I have to look up external sources for shit about the game, the game has failed on a fundamental level.
>>689262018im so fucking glad romasaga rs is still printing them big money. square enix is finally giving them the budget they deserved
>>689262018Never played this series, but watched the trailer and the game looks based as fuck. Sexy beautiful women and high testosterone men. I looked up Romancing Saga 1 on Steam and it looks all chibi though. Can I skip 1 and just play this one? Are they self contained?
>>689312531>Can I skip 1 and just play this one? Are they self contained?Yes
>>689312531Yes they are separate games you can play any of them without prior knowledge. All of the games have a totally different art style in-game, some are nice looking and some look retarded. Just pick one you like the style of.
>>689312740>>689312746awesome. thanks anons, i'm excited
>>689311919it was more about the clashing visuals also the fucking snes game in english running on an emulator would sell more than that mobile garbage
Why is this looking better than DQ3-HD?What's going on?
>>689262018Who is this? New character?
>>689312919SE has no control over DQ it's made by a separate company and SE only has perpetual publishing rights.
>>689307405What about the input delay? I heard it's terrible on switch for RS2. Is the physical version somehow different?
>>689262018I just wanted to start romancing saga 2 for the first time. Should I wait? Only educated and not retarded answers please.
>>689313390it's out in a month (2024/10/24). I'd wait for the new game unless you're a pajeet and can only afford $15 games. from what I've seen they fixed a lot of the "fuck you" parts of the original and made it a smoother experience without having to run across the world and back just to recruit one party member
>>689274703
>>689311919You don't play these games
>>689313226It's Sagzaar, the guy in the phantom oasis, Noel's childhood friend.The old dude is the great priest from the ancient civilization that fucked over the Seven, he's also Oaive's father and Wagnas' mentor.
>>689311281SE needs to make they're shilling less obvious
>>689312919A shame it won't sell as much. The flopping saga continues
>>689313493alright ill wait
Is this same as the minstrel song on ps2? That game was janky af
>>689311115The camera isn't censored and there's a sexy little girl in it.
>>689262018Wait so theyre adding new content with the seven heroes before they turned evil?
>>689314671minstrel song is a full remake of RS1. this is a remake of RS2. it's basically the difference between FF3 and FF6RS2 original was kinda jank but not *nearly* as bad as RS1 original, the devs learned a lot over the process of making the two games, and it looks like the remake is addressing and improving a lot of the other old pain points (awkwardness of reforming your party after a new generation, slow traversal of the world, utterly opaque sparking system, etc)
no, rs2 didn't come out for the ps2
>>689266552It's not niche in Japan, it even got a stage play.
Expect to see a lot more Saga-slop, the gacha players for Saga are one of the best audiences for SE's pockets
>>689266552>>689315347I mean SaGa *is* niche in Japan but it's still very beloved and has a lot of hardcore fans despite not doing as well as more mainstream, broader-appeal games. The continuous experimenting and pushing-boundaries on RPG mechanic design meant it's very memorable compared to other, more standardized RPGs.
>>689315474All I want is a full storybook-visuals remake of SaGa Frontier II
>>689315628Well, you should look at the gacha to see what you will get instead kek
>>689313495Is there any character that can even TOUCH the Marketta Man, let alone defeat him?
>>689315741Siugnas (Rey de la oscuridad forma verdadera) mid diffs him
will there be a bikini dlc?
>>689315526Too bad this remake has none of that
>>689316278guess notgachuds won then
>>689296782Seriously what the fuck is this garbage?
>>689319909skill issue
>>689313672Shut the fuck up retard. Imagine getting mad that a game isn't hiding 80% of its own mechanics anymore. I sure don't feel more skilled when I have to look up a guide for a list of glimmers and how to get them
>>689321560>He thinks people are mad about what the series has been doing since decades instead of this demake being turned into an Asano gameYou don't play these games
>>689321841Through in some more buzzwords next time so we can all see how much of a fucking moron you are.
>>689321560obfuscated systems suck only if you're metagaming. i play these games normally and let random shit happen in the background because it makes the game interesting.
>>689322191What buzzwords refer to what the series has been doing since Minstrel Song you fucking glue eating retard?This demake sucks because the new mechanics are garbage, not because it's more "transparent", which is technically isn't either.
>>689322737Dumb nigger
>>689322375That seems like a dumb excuse because the more you play, the less a game can hide from you. If the game isn't as enjoyable after you've played it a lot vs the start, then it isn't a well designed game. So obviously, if they explain or show basic mechanics in a well designed game, that doesn't make the game worse to play.
>>689322852Whiter and more intelligent than you
>>689323287ok dumb nigger
>>689300249So generation skipping is mainly for gameplay, past the intro and final scenario, all the Emperors consist of the generic classes out of the pool you've unlocked. So, the Emperor could be a Fighter, a Wizard, a Moleman, a Nereid, a Lobsterman, a robot, whatever you get out of a selection of 6 characters. You shift Emperors whenever the previous one dies from a TPK, gets perma-killed, or the in-game timer pass on (usually reclaiming/conquering about 2 sections of Avalon or getting into ~50 fights. SaGa games hate you grinding). There can (and most likely will) be more than 7 Emperors.You enter the final scenario once you kill six out of the Seven Heroes, giving you the Final Emperor (whose gender you pick at the start of the game) and tasking you to finish the job, take out the last one and their final form.
>>689315014From what we've seen, they're adding stuff from the RS2 stage play into the remake. Nothing saying they aren't also adding new expanded on things too, but we don't know about that yet.
>>689323281Roguelikes are some of the most consistently better designed RPGs and they hide like 90% of the critical information from you because the genre is built around making you fucking think.I think RS2 obfuscation on armor values was a bit bullshit but it was not the end of the world and there was still a general logic that worked when appied to equipment, as long as you read the fucking manual which told you how armor worked.Obfuscation is rarely a problem unless it's actually done for malicious intents, which isn't the case for these games and why despite every single modern entry being almost completely transparent they still didn't break into the mainstream regardless of the complaints about the obfuscation which has not been a thing for two decades by now.
It's very obvious Square ordered Xeen to make a dumbed down remake of the most beloved game in the franchise for casuals and when it inevitably sells better than the brand new game Kawazu made with no budget they will use that as an excuse to remove control from him
>>689324284You're right about most things outside of the fact that this will actually sell and Kawazu is near retirement anyway so this matters little, SaGa's not surviving this decade anyway
Did they remove the level scaling?
>>689324284Despite your raging autism, you aren't wrong that they wanted a more casual remake for the global audience. Just that it wasn't Square as it was Kawazu himself that wanted XEEN to do their thing.https://www.rpgsite.net/interview/16302-romancing-saga-2-revenge-seven-interview-talking-remaking-niche-classic-with-shinichi-tatsukeUltimately, it is a remake designed to onboard people into the series, balancing how much SaGa will remain with more casual mechanics. SaGa fans can always play the original remaster (which you also hate for some reason...) or Emerald Beyond.>>689325030Of course not, that shit is part of the DNA of the series.
>>689325030No. You can check in the menu the current level of the enemies.
>>689324467Nips have a huge nostalgia boner for RS2 and they didn't care fir EB. There's no chance this doesn't sell better. I already recall seeing it ranking high on amazon.jp.
>>689325030BR is not level scaling, retardThey also made it worse to appeal to babies like you
>>689323686I don't think roguelike sensibilities apply well to a game with set design and challenges, and aren't a good design philosophy in most cases to start. They do a good job at extending game time alongside randomized content to get more out of a game, but that's not what most RPGs are outside of mystery dungeons and Daggerfall.But to a new player, what is even being revealed here that makes them stop thinking? You don't even know what an unlockable tech is called until you learn it, or what level it's learned at, just that it's possible to learn one with that weapon and whether or not you're close to it.And once you learn it, fuck if you know if that was particularly that helpful on that character or not until you fight enemies that require it or are trivialized by it, which you'll also have to learn yourself. Like you didn't know the next move you would learn with the weapon type you were leveling would teach you an attack that stuns, and you don't know how useful stun would even be after you do learn it.
Eh... I like some of the character designs, but I felt like crap losing them, can't you keep the same design even if they have different names or something?
>>689312818They have a demo out for the game on everything too, save data carries over to the main game so you can give it a shot.
>>689325695SaGa is, without a hint of irony, greatly influenced by the philosophy of the original Hack, there's a lot of roguelike design philosophy in these games, this is something Kawazu himself said.If you don't like this aspect of the series you just don't get it, no offense meant because you can certainly enjoy things for different reasons, but that specific layer of obfuscation is part of the series' core identity and is derived from Roguelikes.
>>689325582>BR is not level scaling, retardIt serves the exact same purpose.
>>689326036Regardless of whether they live or die, a character will be replaced by their successor. For the most part, they will be palette swaps of one another, so don't worry your head. The remake does add more unique accessories based off their appearances in the mobile games, but they still follow a base design trend. So the enchantresses will all look busty~.you COULD play long enough that the game have to cycle back around to the original designs, but that would take ages.
>>689326516Ok, thanks
>>689326036All your characters will be replaced when you trigger a time skip anyway, so you shouldn't sweat just because they lose a few life points
>>689326510No it does not, brainlet
>>689315526Romancing Saga 2 and 3 each sold more copies than Zelda LttP on the Super Famicom, this is not a niche game in Japan.
Nice mole
>>689327160>All that 90's floof gone before that hack can't draw curly hairAndromache and Jeannu's redesigns would be a crime were it not for the fact that the actual costumes are somewhat true to the concept art
>>689325304Oh no no no Kawazubros... our god willingly abandoned us...
>>689327160How did this get past the ethics department?
Dunno what you faggots are bitching about, SaGa's always looked off in 3D. Ironically the fucking DS remakes are the best 3D looking games in the series
>>689327409Kawazu doesn't give a shit about corpo mandated trash like this, back in the days SaGa 3 was the exact same thing, he's just saying this shit so the suits leave him alone
>>689327160Literally all the girls look cute
>last saga game couldn't even sell 20k copiesshill-bros, please...be a little more subtle.
>>689327952Nice numbers, surely you do have a source on that
>>689327952Yeah I'm gonna need a source on this
>>689327952so they made their budget back tenfold?
>>689326506Being inspired by something 30+ years ago does not mean every single part of UI presentation is mandatory to this day. Even modern roguelikes are obviously well beyond that, plenty of them will outright tell you what an item does or how it differs from others down to the percentages.I think this is just a difference of opinion though like how the imperfections of the past become defining nostalgic points as they're no longer forced. Like film grain or the sound of certain audio playbacks.
>>689326036All classes will have the same appearance, it's just a color swap. Would not be surprised to see a color change option either.
>>689326992OK, now tell me how much SaGa Frontier II sold.
>>689262018is Dancer a new class? Is Blacksmith also a new class?
>>689328547But SaGa also did go forward on that since like the PS2 days.Nowadays you get detalied breakdowns on basically everything outside extremely technical aspects that are frankly just there for minor flavour, it's impossible to say the games are impenetrable or needlessly obscure now since they spell out basically every single thing including turn order and enemy HP.
>>689329101Both are new classes, what they actually offer is unknown though
>>689329403Any chance of a new weapon type or no?
>>689329880Nope, everything is the same on that.They gave some basic attack spells to Hydrology and Terrology, there's some new spells in general that did not exist in the original game like Flashfire, presumably there will be new techs as well, but there's no new spell school or weapon type, and overall the mechanics are worse
>>689329208The PS2 is over 20 years old. Like the PS3 was out 18 years ago, and roguelikes weren't starting to become more mainstream until 2011 minimum.I do think you're overestimating what they're telling you though. Like if you decided you want Gerard to use fire magic, you don't have a single clue as to when he'll learn a new spell, what that spell will do, what it'll cost, how strong it is, if strong enemies are even going to be weak to fire, how many times you'll be able to use it in a fight, any of that until you already are there.
>>689327543Who the fuck in SE is going to mandate a remake of RS2 other than Kawazu himself?
>>689330740>Like if you decided you want Gerard to use fire magic, you don't have a single clue as to when he'll learn a new spell, what that spell will do, what it'll cost, how strong it isAnd that is different from any RPG....how?>>689331010The one who actually started this was not Kawazu but Ichikawa.Ichikawa was the one who asked the XEEN director if he wanted to do this remake, Kawazu was only called in for some minor advice, he doesn't have a horse in this race which is why he's silent about it.As to whether Ichikawa did this of his own volition, that's also up to personal interpretation since this remake wasn't something anybody asked for in the first place and came out completely out of the blue as well, which isn't the modus operandi of the team.All signs point to corporate meddling.
>Hear for years about how much of an absolute madman Kawazu is for making these games against Square's wishes because they barely sell>Now apparently Square is maliciously greenlighting them behind Kawazu's backlol ok
>>689331880Already happened back in the days with SaGa 3This is nothing new
>>689331471You were just complaining that they don't have enough obfuscation, but the only new things shown don't give any actionable information until you already have it.I think you're just nitpicking like crazy and looking for reasons to be upset.
>Actually, Ichikawa was the one who invited me to the SaGa team. So there's that connection there. The one and only thing that Ichikawa asked me to do when I took on the role as the producer of Revenge of the Seven was that he wanted to make this game into something that a lot of people would play ... more people who haven't played the SaGa series yet. That was really the only direction that I received from him, and he didn't really provide any other specific details on how he wanted this game to be. So in terms of the actual gameplay elements, he didn't have any specific orders.>In terms of Kawazu, he actually did give me free rein and he was comfortable with me taking this game in the direction that I wanted to. That being said, there were some elements of the worldview of Romancing SaGa that I wasn't very clear on. So, there were times that I would consult him and ask for his advice on how we should do certain things, which he did provide input on.
>>689332297I don't think you're intelligent enough to follow simple conversations anon, don't put words in my mouth
>>689326510No, technically you can start very early to go to area meant to be played much later, but since monster use the BR setting, they won't be overleveled in "late areas", so you can play them early if you want.
I was looking forward to this but it looks like we won't be able to discuss it on /v/, shame.
>>689331880/v/ is full of low effort trolls, it's frankly tiresome
>>689333325Discussing anything on /v/ is already impossible, if you were hoping for a series like this to get any you're out of luck, at best it will happen in late EU hours/mid US hours when most shitposters are absent, that's when we usually get good SaGa threads.But this remake is going to piss off a lot of people so I wouldn't count on a lot of discussion.
>>689333592>piss off a lot of peopleDoubtful. Only one person in the thread seems adamantly against it so far.
>>689333325saga is so niche you can pretty much filter anyone responding to shitposters are most likely the shitposter themselves every saga thread is pretty much just dedicated autists
>>689333761I suggest you to actually read through the thread again and stop being a retard, but you'll see in a month anyway.Also most of us do not post on /v/ most of the time so you're even more out of touch with reality than you think, either that or you're an unironic shill
>>689310040Oh i seeThis is an autismo who needs games in a series to all look the same
>>689291631>>689292205>>689291820You faggots always cry about denuvo but you never buy any games. I love pc gaming but the denuvo crying faggots ruin all discussion.
>>689312919Just like pokemonThe more money it makes, the less effort they put in
>>689333968>you're an unironic shillif you didn't know this is how we can instantly tell you're a low effort troll
>>689334027People just don't like the generic animu art, SaGa is known for not having a coherent art direction throughout the series so the visuals changing is not the issue, people just dislike how generic and tasteless this remake look much like how they disliked how MS's SD characters looked
Can you use the original soundtrack?
>>689334328Did Kobayashi die or something?
>>689313495The Norwood reaper is real!
>>689334534Apparently she had health issues lately, as in an unspecified moment in time in the last five years or so, but I can't say much about her now, she's very jealous of her privacy so outside of her blog, where she doesn't say much, you can't really tell how she's doing now.
yeah i'm gonna abandon humanity to go live with my new mermaid wifebye
>>689334379Yes, you can
>>689334820That emperor should have been relentlessly disgraced in history books
>>689334878Nice
>>689334027not every game in a series, but at least this trilogy should be consistentthis is extremely jarring>>689312885
>>689335095It's probably what happens, that and destroying Tsukijima force your emperor to abdicate so they're probably like the black sheep of the empire when all is said and done
>>689335515To be fair, most people didn't like how Minstrel Song looked at all, so having another game like that would have never happened.They should have kept the artstyle from EB though, either that or elaborated on what they tried to do with SSG, this generic animu shit is just nasty
>>689335712Looks good to me dude. I know it's not quite in line with the other games, but I really like Xeen so I'll be picking this one up.
>>689335712SG and EB were shat on for looking cheap.
>>689335994This is just as cheap but it's the cheap that is okay for the lowest common denominator, the safe horny of budget looksI'll take either of those over this, especially since animations are better too
>>689334190The fuck does my post have to do with denuvo? I bought several games that have denuvo.
>>689292449>The ones who write spreadsheets and have to keep a notepad on how many times they used X skill so they can build characters properly.Fuck you for calling me out
>Defending Emerald Beyond when it looked worse than Scarlet Grace
>>689337069>Being legally blind and posting on imageboards
>>689337069i tried emerald beyond but got burned out after playing three characters just like i did with scarlet gracei like the romancing salsa/salsa frontier games much better
>>689337261Yeah, that's a major issue SSG and EB have, the pacing is too focused with no donwtime like other entries so you burn out extremely fast unless you're a Gregor tier autist like me, and I still got a severe burnout after 200+ hours.Other entries have way better downtime so you can keep playing them longer, admittedly it's because these two games are designed around short bursts rather than long sittings, but still.
>>689297982>>689295354Yeah. But the Minions can only realistically steal about 3 Fatestones without your intervention and the first 5 Fatestones barely do anything to the final boss's stats. On top of that you can't give him any stones until NG+, so getting murdered by 10FS Saruin's wholly an opt-in sort of thing on your part.Minstrel Song Saruin's still dangerous without any stones, mind. He's not just a gimmick like say, Zeromus is; he hits hard and will actively try to snowball by zombifying chars and throwing any pillars you fail to break at you every so often in his second phase.
>>689336395>>689337150You can dislike RS2R but EB is the game that was immediately shat on for looking unacceptably cheap for its price point in 2024.
>>689335712I don't like it either desu, everyone looks super goofy even though the ds games did something similar and they are fine. The current rs2 style is the "safe bet".
>>689336107its tough being a saga soldier...
>>689336395>This is just as cheapAbsolutely not. It has proper environments and the cutscenes aren't just two portraits talking to each other, or still images. It's not a high budget release but it's clearly above whatever EB is. I don't even want to call it mobile tier because mobile games look better nowadays.
>>689339093I don't know why you're dignifying anyone who uses nonsense like "safe horny" with a serious response.
>>689339093And it's all cheaply done. at least EB or SSG didn't lie to you about that and are also better games mechanically.But hey, you do you, I'd rather pay 50 bucks for a good game that looks mediocre but with no promise made on that than a low effort remake with generic UE assets, mediocre animations and most importantly, garbage gameplay that isn't even in line with the series standards
>>689334190I buy games, just now ones with denuvo. Can you read, retard?
>>689339945>And it's all cheaply done. at least EB or SSG didn't lie to youWhat the fuck did you mean by this? How is this remake "lying" to you? It's evidently higher budget than both EB and SG. You insisting that it's just as cheap again and again doesn't make it true.
>>689340606It is higher budget, doesn't mean much when the people who made it are incompetent and can only deliver mediocrity.If you think it's an inherently better game because it has modern JRPG bloat and some middling UE environments that will not even amount to a passing memory it's on you, having a higher budget doesn't mean the game isn't cheaply made, otherwise Star Wars Outlaw and other assorted trash like Dragon Age would be 10/10, when in truth they're cheap garbage.This game's the same, mediocre eyecandy made for normalfags who don't care about this series, especially since it doesn't even play like SaGa anymore outside of some vague surface elements, if you ask me that's way cheaper than actual good games like EB or SSG.
>>689341210>>689339945You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about when people say that a game looks "cheap".
>>689341210Look bro, whatever. You know perfectly well that's not the definition of "cheap" that was being used. Keep arguing with the phantoms in your head.
>>689341210>especially since it doesn't even play like SaGa anymore outside of some vague surface elementswhat exactly did they change that makes it no longer play like RS2? be specific.
>>689274703That kid is probably pulling more pussy in a week than the majority of the Final Fantasy male leads get in their lifetimes. Game looks like it was made with five bucks, though.
>>689262018Should I play the original
>>689341527Oh I know, it's graphicswhores who do not care about games>>689341835Oh I don't know, like the entire damage mechanics for instance and combat design, the fact that you have save fucking points in a SaGa game, just a couple of unimportant things really
>>689342075You should, it's a great game and this remake is not doing good service to it
I don't understand RS2's leveling system...
>>689342639What's giving you issues?
>>689342789I am too much of a baka, but at the same time I don't wanna look it up on the internet for pride reason.
>>689342639do thing -> do thing better
>>689343132I'll try to give you a quick rundown of the basics>TP is EXP, every proficiency level takes a certain amount of TP and the amount needed is bigger for each proficiency>TP is only awarded to the actions you use in a fight, if you only use sword attacks you'll only get TP for sword proficiency, but if you use something else then the TP amount is divided equally between the proficiencies related to the actions you took in battle>Global Levels work the same, except the TP you gain for personal proficiency stacks on Global levels, e.g. if two people get TP for swords your Global level gets two characters worth of TPIn short, unlike other entries in the series it's actually better to sorta spread yourself in fights as global levels are arguably more important than personal levels, at least, this is true for the original game as you need certain global level threshold to learn new spells, the remake changed that so things would probably be different.
OUR HEROES
>>689343583NTA, but SaGa sure has a lot of nonsense gameplay
>>689343673Plapping Rocbouquet, then laughing when she's banished into hell!
>>689343712It's just used-based stat gains, which is something that has been around before SaGa.
>>689343673...and Kzinssie
>>689343673and rocbouquet
>>689343712The vast majority of the series' mechanics are actually very intuitive though?Actually a lot more logically designed than most RPGs.
>>689343583Alright, thanks. >In short, unlike other entries in the series it's actually better to sorta spread yourself in fights as global levels are arguably more important than personal levelsSo that is why I keep dying.
>>689343948Unironically one of the more heroic out of the whole bunch, they should have gone with his chad design instead of the fuccboi design from Emperors
>>689344060He was a coward and not even the other heroes liked him.
>>689344020Yes and no.You keep dying because RS2 has enemies that are actually dangerours and can easily one tap you regardless, but you probably also keep dying because you can't kill them as fast as you're supposed to for many reasons, it's a bit of both really.RS2 is built around high lethality though, you are supposed to take losses and power through them, that's the game's main theme really and why in gameplay terms death is just one step forward toward the end of the game rather than a game over, outside of Leon's prologue and the very last generation, that is.
>>689344169And bokuohn was a shady opportunist, Dantarg a dumb meathead and Subier a lazy guy who just got in the club because of nepotism, doesn't mean they didn't change, well technically Ku was the only one of the bunch who got some actual growth as a person precisely because he started out as a coward.
>>689344242I'll wait for the trainer then, thanks.
>>689344060>>689344393If his backstory is going to be about a coward growing into a hero it makes sense to pick the design that makes him look younger and more inexperienced.
>>689334190one of those posters literally has Saga games, retard-kun
>>689344690The new designs don't really follow that logic and the Seven Heroes also got constant redesigns through various spinoffs and side material, the only ones who have been somewhat stable throughout the year are Wagnas and Dantarg, everyone else looks COMPLETELY different from the original designs, and some of their backstories got changed as well, Ku being one of the biggest cases of that in how he wasn't really the butt of the jokes originally, that's something that started with Emperors Saga making him less villainous and more relatable.
Imagine having hollow bones
>still not entirely finished with EB>XVI came out>this around the corner....life sucks bros.
>>689345093>everyone else looks COMPLETELY different from the original designs
>>689269618Naaaah, it looks like a 7th gen game.Minstrel Song & Unlimited Saga. Now those look like PS2 games.
>>689345460That's a redesign, of Noel's corrupted form moreover.OG human Noel looked nothing like that, this is how he and Rocbouquet looked in the original art.
>>689342143SaGa fans barely care about graphics and EB was still derided by a lot of them on first look for barely looking better than SG 6 years later. No one is asking for a fucking AAA budget but at least something like Minstrel Song with better proportioned characters.
>>689345821It's still Kobayashi art, right? And looks like his boss sprite.
>>689345393You can safely skip XVI
>>689344242>that are actually dangerours and can easily one tap you regardless, but you probably also keep dying because you can't kill them as fast as you're supposed to for many reasons, it's a bit of both really.Are you telling me RS2 is Dark Soul?
EB was fantastic. It has the best turn based combat ever designed.
>>689346071Yeah, it's still Kobayashi.>>689346158Not really, DS enemies hit like wet paper most of the times, especially since in that game you can upgrade armor to ridiculous degree, in this game even little shits like Misers can tear your asshole apart if you don't actually build of specific defense.RS2 was just built around high damage enemies to enforce the death component of progression, it's very different from most other entries, RS3 enemies for instance are total weaklings outside of some major bosses, mid BR enemies in RS2 have truly ridiculous shit like access to four digit damage potential in a game where your hp caps at three digits, it's potentially super brutal.
>>689290791I'm sure that EB had Denuvo at first too, but doesn't atm. Hopefully only 30 days or so.
>>689346648It didn't, no SaGa games prior to this one had Denuvo
>>689346609Fucking Nues/Gluttonous Ogres
>>689343583What's global level mean, the HP/BP of characters?
>>689347441No, Global Levels are proficiecy average for your characters.If you like at your characters' attributes, you'll see how they have all sorts of proficiencies on top of their HP and TP/MP, since the game is wildly nonlinear and there's not really a set order in which you go through its content, Global Levels exist as a way of carrying over your progress regardless of the way you play through the game.Global Levels are basically an average of what your characters will start out like in terms of HP/TP/MP and their proficiencies, the reason why freshly recruited characters at the end of the game start out much stronger than they were at the beginning of the game is because of Global Levels which readjust all of their values outside of the core stats, they also allow you to learn new spells as you can only develop new spells through various thresholds in your Global Levels.The remake handles things differently though and it's not particularly clear what Global Levels end up doing since magic learning is completely different now, but maybe the research center will still take them into account for some things and won't be just a general adjustment mechanic.
>>689312139The PS2, game was god tier. Stop being a seething faggot who gets irrational that another series that isn't FF gets attention
>>689347957So is it the average of all the proficiency levels of the main character, the 5 people in your party, or every potential person you could recruit that's alive combined? Like in the demo there were 4 different people you could swap into your party, so if they counted against your level I could see it being worth training everyone. Or it could be weird and be worth killing people you won't use so they don't weigh your average down for new recruits.
>>689348792Refer to>>689343583Global levels don't use your current party as a measure of anything, it's the other way around, your party gets adjusted according to your Global Levels, which grow continuosly through the game as all TP gained matters for Global Level growth
>>689343712It's not mindlessly kill slime until level up 5x for hours so it's nonsense
SaGa Frontier Remastered or Minstrel Song Remastered?Both are on sale but I've heard MS fucks you over if you play it like a normal RPG.
>>689350996That's just SaGa in general*raughs*
>>689350996>MS fucks you over if you play it like a normal RPG.As in progressing without a care in the world for your event rank, it's not that bad but basically there's more reasons to avoid getting into constant encounters. It's designed to be replied with each of the characters (the main quest is actually not that long) so it's okay to "fuck up" the first few times since you learn from it
>>689350996MS is better of the two imo.
>>689350996Choose the one you think looks more interesting.
>>689350996The nice thing about Frontier is that each character has their own campaigns and they're generally pretty short, so you get the whole Saga progression experience in a highly compressed form.The game also feels very disjointed and straight up unfinished in parts, but if you can look past that it's a pretty good time and a solid entry point for the seriesMinstrel Song is a MUCH more well-rounded experience and arguably the best game in the series. It does have the whole Event Rank thing that typically stresses out new players but it's not that big of a deal as long as you don't go out of your way to fight regular battles.
So emulate original or try this version instead
>>689352185beat the original steam version until remake comes out in October, then beat that too.
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>>689352185Get the remaster, this remake is at best memberberries for those who played the original
>>689352185Rule of thumb for these games is to with the remaster when possible.Used to be you could also go with remakes instead of the originals but I don't think that's going to hold with RS2R
>>689352185Finished the demo. I got my ass kicked by Kzinssie on Hard (classic) before I changed party configuration.Play the remake, it's more fun (and prettier). Even as a long time fan I appreciate the added QoL features.
>>689338160Do you get anything for doing it the hard way or just bragging rights?
>>689351704I unironically consider Minstrel Song and SaGa Frontier to be the best SaGa games
>>689353960beating 10 fatestone Saruin does unlock new stuff in the remaster
Just wait for the fucking game to come out before passing judgement on it. The demo's barely past the tutorial.
>named my final emperor Cecil Harvey thanks to the character name limit fitting the space>forgot that there was an Emperor Mateus from FFII>even PalpatineI was going for Reinhardt, Kawazu, or Zacharias. i did the female on the remaster with the name Veronica. I don't know why I thought of The Lion King with Leon and Gerard speaking
>>689354270>Waiting to judge thingwheredoyouthinkyouare.jpg
>>689353960In the remaster you unlock new superbosses for further NG+ cycles and an even more unhinged version of 10FS Saruin.Outside of a couple of exceptions in their original releases, SaGa included optional CBT versions of the bosses since Romancing SaGa 2 for the people who think the final bosses were not already hard enough, they're really just for bragging rights for the most part outside of the remaster of Minstrel Song and the optional final ball busting version of the final boss(es) in Emerald Beyond which gives you some busted accessory AND bragging right.
