Is Metaphor the best turn based combat has to offer?
No, that would be bravely default
>>692431983Nah that's Tokyo Mirage Sessions
>>692431983
No, Code Name Bakery annihilates any of its competitors.
>>692431983Does anyone actually play this garbage and can answer why?
No, that would be octopath traveller
>>692432436why didn't you fuckers buy her game
>>692431983no but tis a good one although too short and it has no post game/not that much side content
>>692431983>turn based system is so good that you can skip the entire turn based system altogether L M A OSquare was right
>>692432636I bought her Wii U Special edition on launch
>>692431983I didn't think any game could surpass P5 in ugliness, but here we are.
>>692432436spbp
>>692433334I am gonna have to agree here. SMTV is the most gorgeous megaten game, I expected better with Metaphor
>>692432636I don't care for the Idol aesthetic
>>692432436You're probably joking and I might sound like the stereotypical drone, but TMS on the wii u was the first turnbased JRPG I actually finished and enjoyed and I haven't enjoyed one as much since. It was just the right moment to play it or something. There's really nothing about it that makes it better than any other game in Atlus' flagship lineup but I played it at the right moment.
>>692431983>Focus on elemental affinities>99% of skills are light/medium/strong one enemy/all enemies of x element.>equipment equally uninspiredIt's shit.
>>692431983No, the best turn based combat systems in JRPGs came out 20 years ago.The genere has gone downhill since then.
>>692433918The game was kino. It was very cute and innocent.
Smt combat peaked at apocalypse
>>692431983Even pokemon has more interesting skills passives and equipment lmao. What do you think?
>>692431983jesus christ so much visual noise all over the screen. such adhd garbage. its like jangling colorful keys in front of a kid. how can you stomach shit like this?
Just play rebirth instead of this PSX game
Etrian Odyssey is better
>>692431983Its some of the worst actually. Fucking wizardry 1 is better.
>>692434497This
>>692431983>Is Metaphor the best turn based combat has to offer?so, so grim
>>692431983GOTY
>>692436272>>692436267I'd go further. No SMT has good combat desu. It's a shame they insist on the same formula to this tday.
>>692432065>dude just grind to unlock skills>99% of them are pointlesslol fuck off.Everything in katsura hashino's combat system has a purpose.
>>692431983Yes
I kinda like the demon building of SMT but as far as having human party members goes, yes it's peak
No TRPGs with no movement are pointless
>>692431983Probably the best JRPG I ever played, not even honeymoon phase or anything.
>>692431983not even close. Any tactics game, Grandia, ffx-2 are far more interesting combat-wise
>>692440265>FFX-2 idol trash
>>692431983I think we can all agree that GODshino solidified his position as the god of turn based JRPG. Nothing comes close.
>>692440029This
>>692432672>Square was rightL M A O
>Pretty much the same gameplay/combat as turn based jrpgs from years ago>But it's got a flashy hud so it's the best JRPG ever
>>692431983>metaphor>meteophorcringe
>>692431983My GOTY so far, let's see if Brothership is any good.
>>692432636I was promised Fire Emblem x Shin Megami Tensei and got offbrand Persona
>>692431983Press turn is the best combat system in any turn based jrpg, yes. Not sure if Metaphor's spin on it is an improvement though.
>>692431983Wow that looks like shit
>>692432636It was on Wii U and it was censored, no amount of Inori Minase voiced milkers can overcome that man.
>>692449553Cope
>>692432636>why didn't you fuckers buy her gamenot a proper SMTxFE crossover
>>692448640Enough about your sexual life.
>CTRL+F "SaGa">0 resultsSaGa: Scarlet Grace and SaGa: Emerald Beyond are the best turn-based combat systems of any JRPG Better than SMT4:A/VV, better than Grandia 2/3/XL, better than Mana Khemia, better than Octopath 2, and better than Radiant Historia
>>692450132played a few hours of Scarlet Grace and even after reading the manuals and stuff, it felt like the combat wasn't "clicking"
>>692432672speak english
>>692450132Based
>>692450132You could have even said RS3 and that alone would have btfo most RPG's
>>692431983Why not just watch an anime?
>>692450696Because there's no gameplay in anime.
>>692431983It's got a lot to it. I think the biggest shame is that in NG+ you don't have them all unlocked by default so you can't do specific archetype runs.
>>692450483I've only played Scarlet Grace and Emerald Beyond. My first one that's not those will be the upcoming remake. Even the older titles have top tier turn-based combat as well???
Turn based bros eatin good right now
>>692450132Contrarianism is not a personality trait.
>>692452336It's a sign of high IQ.
>>692445348This but unironically
>>692449797Aren't you the one coping that it sold like shit?
>>692431983Nah, to me The Last Remnant keep being #1
>>692434497>Taking Gaston to a bossfight>Not the based ghostYikes
>>692431983Racism is not good for you.
>>692431983undertale is the best. Still annoyed no one has copied it.
>>692450132>b-but SaGaNo one cares
>>692431983I only did some of the demo, are higher level skills basically just>weak spell>stronger but more expensive>really really strong but really really expensiveand otherwise do the exact same thing? are there debuffs/dots/special situational spells?
>>692431983>make the same game 100 times in a rowfuck atlus
>>692431983this is literally just persona 5
>4 niggers in a rowThis is such a limited design space. Everything interesting has already been done
>>692461795the can actually be in two rows
>>692461636smt spells do ONE thingyou will get 4 versions of every elemental spell and then 4 more for the full party version
>>692461795Name one (1) other game with combat similar to Metaphor.
>>692461881Brilliant bait
>>692461881there isn't one
The more I play this game the more the cracks start to show.I'm genuinely unimpressed with the full offering lol, if you're on the fence- wait for the complete edition that they totally promised they're not gonna do anymore, and then wait for that to go on sale. It's good, for sure, but it seems to crumble under its own weight.
>>692462017How does it crumble?
>>692462017Does it just devolves in 3 DMG dealers and 1 sustain? With a buff or debuff thrown around somewhere
>>692462017> It's good, for sure, but it seems to crumble under its own weight>AAAIIII IT INSISTS UPON ITSELF
>>692434159You mean insufferably saccharine. The combat system carried it extremely hard, couldn't bear to read the dialogues.
>>692462108NTA but I'd say the combats load bearing wall is the action combat stuff which feels awful and meh at the best of times. You will have situations where certain classes just can't surprise engage on magatamas because of the slow attacks and locked in combo patterns, this is a problem for pugilist for example. The major issue that comes from the action combat for hard at least is the feast or famine problem that comes from surprise attacks vs ambushes. If you get the surprise attack you are almost guaranteed to get a flawless victory (which gives bonus exp, money etc), while if you get ambushed you restart the game, because you'll either be so far behind the 8 ball you can't catch back up or you will die in 1 turn. The calendar system also fights against playing them out or escaping because of wasting items/resources is more likely to force you back in comparison to an smt game. It might be poorly formatted and incomprehensible, but that is my biggest problem with the game.
There are proper tactical RPGs like D:OS and there are games whose entire focus is turn based combat, like Slay the Spire. Pathetic JRPGs need not apply.
>>692432436I actually really liked TMS's battle system. Sessions took fucking forever, but trying to see how long you can extend them was pretty neat.
>>692457408Ironic coming from a pic of the most racist party member
>>692462718Trails of cold steel
>>692461636There are spells that have some extra conditions on them like can inflict a status or a debuff, and yes there are debuffs. But most spells are still damage skills
>>692462753I played it on PS vita and was entirely unimpressed.
>>692462718Axie infinity>>>>>>>>>slay the spire
>>692462826>NFTlol
>>692431983When I first saw P5 battle UI, I thought it was cool. Then I played SMT V and I thought "stylish" shits are too cluttered and annoying. Then I saw metaphor and I think it is cool again.
>>692462826Based
>>692462718slay the spire is simulated gambling and the only strategy is picking cards with the same keywords to adjust your luck. if you think that combat is good you are probably not smart enough to play metaphor
>>692463120>coolI don't like to use buzzwords but that is some zoomers adhd crap. Even that genshin "4 niggers in a row" game isn't this bad.
>>692463236You can be sure I'm not touching your garbage.
>>692431983Strategy turn based > CRPG Turn based > JRPG turned based
Library of Ruina is the best turned based game and if you disagree you are wrong
>>692431983EO for Babbies>>692462718MTG for poorfags
>>692432569there's no way you actually think this. once you get to a certain point in mid game 90% of combat is Jefuty just killing 18 people in one turn
>>692431983Maybe, but bragging about turn-based combat is like bragging that you came in first at the special olympics. It's nothing to celebrate. And this supposed "best" in the genre just smears the screen with fancy, protracted animations to charm the modern braindead audience that doesn't actually want to use more than 2 braincells to play games - they just wanna watch movies.
>>692431983Why aren't popular streamers playing this game?
>>692465452Probably, it's how i always envisioned jrpgs in the future, mechanics , more complex, more challenging more fun. Instead they decided to turn EO into a shitty persona clone, SMT is pure open world slop of the lowest quality and Final Fantasy is basically dead also LoR is now a GACHA LOL
>>692465691Too high IQ and advanced for the average stream watcher.
>>692431983No, it doesn't even have the press turn battle system.
I wanted romance....
>>692465452Ruina is terrible because it is stacked with layer upon layer of bullshit RNG >Have to deal with card draw RNG which can fuck you over if you're unlucky>Even if you get a good card, you have to deal with card dice RNG. Your 2-14 card can lose to a 3-4 card simply because you got fucked>Even then you can low roll your speed dice, have the enemy AI all target one potato and nuke it into oblivion>The game is extremely tempo based and falling behind cascades into a hopeless situation>When you finally lose due to some bullshit you lose your books and have to redo previous fights>God forbid you lose those as wellGame is hard carried by its world building alone
>>692462702Once you get a party member with high agility and the social link buff that increases your chance to escape, whenever you attempt to escape with said character is basically guaranteed.I agree that the ambush > fuck enemy/get ambushed > get fucked dichotomy is pretty lackluster but it's hard for me consider it a fault of the game instead of a fault of Atlus instead, every SMT game is like this and while i think it's dumb it just seems to be the way they are.
>>692465452Deck building with that many characters gets absolutely fucking boring, especially how annoying moving cards and looking at them can be. Not to mention so many cards are just plain downgrades of other onesAdd in the fact that I wanted more of lobcorp instead of a turn based game in the first place
>>692465452Came to post this
>>692465992>Bullshit RNG big and will be bad wolf is the only RNG fight in the entire game.
>>692465992besides the Carmen fight at the end I found you generally had enough stat increases (from strength, or Gebura in general etc) and powerful cards that RNG was never much a of a deciding factor in encounters.The game has a lot of RNG elements to it, that i can't argue, in almost every case you can just overpower the RNG.Like every star of the city fight if you build good pages you should win every single fight every single time no matter how hard RNG fucks you.
>>692462108I love the game and I think it's fun but after beating it, the combat DOES have a few quirks>When you ambush an enemy, you kill it in one turn and you don't interact with it at all>If you get ambushed, you're probably dead or better off reloading leaving no interactionWhen you unlock the Royal Archetypes, party building falls apart because everyone is "forced" into their sole archetype. Especially if you play a magic MC and Prince is a strength based archetype>Round start Rougery/Steal into reset to fish for lucky procs breaks the combat>The taunt breaks every encounter with Heismay evasion tanking, or Hulkenberg's repel shenanigans
>>692431983i let myself get ambushed on purpose so i can hear this musichttps://youtu.be/v9foF43GJkk?si=e_vCMO3NYsaDAtEO
>>692431983No that would be xcom2
>>692466002SMT DDS(and DDS2) fixed the get ambushed issue. Getting ambushed didn't cost you your turn, your guys just didn't transform automatically and you could either fight with guns(or items) or use your turns to transform manually. Human forms didn't have elemental weaknesses(they were only weak to guns, which could only be used by other humans), so they were unlikely to die in the blink of an eye. Also, you could only be ambushed by specific enemy groups, which allowed the devs to properly balance the ambush fights so they wouldn't be extremely unfair.
also, gallica love.
>>692466374Yeah, and DDS has the worst encounter rate out of any game Atlus has ever made, which is why they had to make ambushes suck slightly less.
>>692466472Free exp.
>>692466334I get that muh overwatch spam was too broken in the last game but they went too hard in the other direction which made the game all stupid again imo. Especially around release before the patches and DLC where every single mission was shouting GO GO GO at your face as if there were no incentives to do so, ever before.
Which archetype is the best?I hate grinding them to unlock new ones
The best JRPG battle system was Grandia, but only in theory because the difficulty was too low to see any potential. It took until the third game to actually give some bite for enemies but the rest of the game was so bad everyone quit at the 10% mark.
>>692466684you dont have to grind them>play the archetype you like>get it to level 20 (max)>every time it levels, you get a consumable exp item >spend those on archetypes on the sidemerchant->tycoon is pretty busted
>>692450132Lol lmao I'm glad to see SaGa Emerald Beyond become one of the biggest flopped slops of 2024.
>>692431983>using a single target spell on trash enemiesRetard.
>>692467239Cope
>>692467239looks like a porn game
>>692450132Been a while since Saga schizo showed up.No one bought your games.No one will ever will.The best selling "SaGa" game didn't even have SaGa in the title.Unlimited SaGa is considered the biggest joke among JRPGs and that's a fucking feat which total shitters like Chaos Wars, Time and Eternity, and Hydlide.
>>692467284You say that like it's a bad thing.
>>692467429it is if there is no porn in it
>>692467271Can't hear you over SMTVV getting higher Metascores and higher sales no than EB
>>692467348Unlimited SaGa is considered to have the best combat system of any game by patricians.
>>692467348Seethe anon. Kawazu has super seniority at Square Enix and his existence alone means SaGa will continue to get games, remakes, and remasters indefinitely regardless of what else gets canned by the investors. We also have an infinite money pot of gacha whales to keep funding new titles. The money you spent on those soulless Mana remakes DIRECTLY went to my Romancing SaGa 2 remake by the way.
>love me some SMT and persona>play SMT 5 vengeance>burn out after spending more time picking up items off the ground than combat like im playing a gacha gamei just want dungeons, man
>>692467467>press 1 button to watch cinematic experience movie xD!!!Okay, can you show the gameplay now?
>>692467467
>>692450132>stack commands instead of instantly performing action Lol nope that shit makes it so boring
>>692467672I didn't like smt v at all, refunded it after the first hour
>>692466002this one in particular in my opinion is built in a way that you shouldn't/will take a fight that doesn't end in a ambush or surprise attack, the stun on enemies on top of just going first is also a lot larger than their other games. It being a straight agility luck check in most games makes them still prominent fight enders but majority of fights will go down as a standard fight even in 5 where hitting enemies in the overworld just gave you better rates on the encounter start.
>>692467673>>692467726>No arguments
>>692431983the japanese are creatively bankrupt
>>692467825>>692467467QRD on why Unlimited SaGa filters a lot of people?
>>692468687Most of it comes down to the fact that almost none of the mechanics are explained in the game to the player and it eschews a lot of traditional JRPG mechanics that most people would take as a given in a game like it. Unlimited is basically trying to turn a board game into a JRPG. Results were mixed to be generous.
>>692432636Fire Emblem is cringe weeaboo shit for virgins and should've never interacted with SMT.
>>692457408I've just started the game and the beginning is so haphazard and poorly put together that I got whiplash.>Elf bitch in the cart just lets innocents die and only effortlessly beats up the baddies after they kill someone>Get thrown off a cliff and before my character can even check for a concussion my fairy's telling me I have a megasecret mission to do>Game graphics that look like the cheap look of Strikers instead of P5>Advance to the big desert, get a cutscene of a massive worm hydra thing that immediately cuts to an anime cutscene of my character walking amidst a bunch of refugees into the city???>"WOW THIS CITY IS SO DIVERSE" seconds after my character was accosted by a bunch of dog people beggars and that same fairy had to drag him off before he got muggedI don't think a game has ever left a worse first impression on me in a long time.
>>692469237I don't understand how people like you get filtered when Atlus time and time again simplifies everything from storybeats to dialogue to combatAnd even now, playing it in 2024, we have anons like you scratching their head over why the protagonist didn't get a concussionI would tell you to uninstall and move on, but I take it you're the type of person that thinks the game is stored on Xbox servers
i love this fucking trope. the prior jrpg i played had it too (ffxvi)
>>692468687It's just a bad game. Bad graphics, bad gameplay, bad everything. Some say its soundtrack is good but honestly if it's from Square it is going to have a good soundtrack by default. Lots of garbage games have amazing OSTs.
>>692469685Nowhere I did say it was complex or hard to follow, or that I was filtered or unwilling to keep playing, but you're an animenigger so a garbage post like yours was to be expected.
>>692450132Lots of seething replies to this post for some reason
The MC is such a femboy I hate it
>>692450132This, SaGa Scarlet Grace is easily the best.
>>692470847You really need to play more JRPG.MC have a normal male look
>>692431983no but this is
>>692471363t. faggot femboy
>>692471683anon you're playing a weeb friend simulator jrpg posting on an anime website during neet hoursmaybe the game can hammer in a sense of self awareness into you but it might be a biological limitation and not a psychological one
>>692450132>ctrl+f "saga" after reading the first few replies of the thread>this post shows upBased
>>692454937I now. I can't believe how dumb faggots are for liking this. JRPG players seems to actively hate the very idea of actually good turn based combat, they must have something simple enough that it can be played extremely formulaically and using only the most basic reason, but with complex enough system mechanics with tons of 'parts' to configure that it feels like they're doing something deep.
>>692469005The idea that someone defending a franchise that includes Persona is trying to act like Fire Emblem in its entirety has less wroth and integrity is hilariously hypocritical.
>>692472252Persona isn't even SMT anymore.
>>692472537You're rightSMT has been persona ever since 4 came out
>meteophorBased beyond belief.
>>692467239SaGa fans don't know anything better than trash unfortunately
>>692431983That's SMT Vegenace but Metaphor is up there and is a proper press turn game unlike Persona.
>>692431983>fatlusit's never the best of anything
>>692432582Because Press Turn with Job System is a fun combo. The game has a big emphasis on turn economy where a lot of your good skills are combos that require multiple turns to spend so you have to think about how to spend your turns a lot.
>>692470847I ship them bros...
>>692470847>>692477503It's literally just Door and Brotag in (mild) fantasy outfits.
>>692431983No, it's pretty decent but the resource system is poorly thought out. Fact is no turn based game with a basic MP system can ever be good. You need dynamic resource generation so that players actually have to respond to changing circumstances and not just cast Royal Sword every turn. Card games are one type of dynamic resource, but are pretty cliché now. But the point is, integer MP systems are the curse of the RPG. They are killing the genre.
>>692466404Euphausia, my wife
>>692431983>outdated game design with incredibly restricted movement and levels>outdated 4 niggas in a row combat polished WAY beyond the point of diminishing returns>the one thing that made it all worthwhile, waifus, are goneI legitimately cannot fathom why anyone would play this piece of shit, even apart from the woke shit in it
>>692432436Can't believe I bought this game twice for wii u and switch and never play them.
>>692467456kek
>>692467672>>692467798Shit, I was hoping to grab SMTVV before Metaphor.Just finished P3R.
>>692431983No, best turned based combat is probably competitive pokemon or a PvP gacha that has lasted for more than 3 years like Epic seven or summoner war
I will not eat the bugs and I will not play the DEIslop
>duuuuude look at how awesome this turn based combat system is>cutscene attackevery time
>>692431983Both metaphor and bravely default/second (not 2 but 2 isn’t bad either)
>>692431983It’s bravely default indeed and anyone who says otherwise hasn’t played it compare the merchant class there and to the merchant in metaphor which is nothing in comparison both mechanic wise and fun wise>>692432065Fpbp as usual
>>692461742Actually its etrian odyssey but I wouldn’t expect a gaslighting secondary retard to know that. You probably didn’t even get far enough to even know what I am talking about.
>>692480684The only useful skill merchant has in BD beyond helping you make money is being a BP battery. The rest of the things it can do are gimmicky and can be done better other ways.Merchant in metaphor is a crit abuser with money grinding , mag grinding and item grinding passives.
>>692481019Bruh it had stuff like low leverage where incoming damage was halved, allowing you to survive easily while maximizing your own offense it was an incredibly fun class meanwhile in metaphor its 1 button masher with 0 strategy get the fuck outta here it’s so apparent you haven’t played it
>>692481341Just can’t understand how people can say metaphor is even close to bravely default’s depth when it comes to purely turn based combat
>>692432065Rofl
>>692437227Bravely Default is still the best turn based game I've ever played because I've never seen a game with such a well crafted tempo system in any game of this kind. How you order your turns, understand the boss's pattern, using the right skills with the right all come into play.And then you level up Ninja and win 99% of your fights by dodging and doing 20 hits.
>>692478903No they aren't and your reasoning is silly.
>>692480529Literally everybody thinks Hulkenberg is weird for doing this.
>>692461881SMT Vengeance. SMT Digital Devil Saga. SMT Nocturne.
>>692481476>the upper limit for crit rate is 1000%?????????
>>692467239EB didn't flop though, in fact SE is doubling down on the series precisely because interest keeps growing.You posting the same WEBM over and over again without any explanation of why it's supposedly a bad game only shows how you're a subhuman shitposter who doesn't play videogames.
>>692432065Square tards are truly mentally ill
>>692431983Yes it's my favorite hands down but Archetypes should start with 2 slots and grow up to 5. getting a new archetype is always shit since you only have 1 slot to work with usually.
>>692481476Bravely Default has bad skill balance, very bad encounter design, and the method for gaining turns is boring. Press Turn is a dynamic system that encourages you to do more actions, Default is stacking turns by not doing anything until you unload, it's inherently more boring. It's kind of funny that Megaten is now the too popular option and a fucking FF spin off is the ultra hipster choice. What a world
>>692481476The only useful skill in that list is literally just BP drink. Do you seriously expect me to believe that buying a consumable mid battle that you could have bought outside of battle and used in said battle as an item on any job is “depth”?You know which class in BD has depth? Salve maker. Get the fuck out of here with merchant.
>>692484375Not that anon and I think press turn and megaten is better overall because its far more limited in the skills it can use butBravely default is far from having bad skill balance.The only unbalanced skill in that game is stillness, and the only bad fight in that game was the one where the conjurer reflects firaga on you after the salve maker debuffs fire resistance on your entire team where you are essentially forced to use cheese strats to win.Everything else is perfectly fine.If anything what BD suffers from is having a lot of useless or gimmicky skills and that in of itself is a good thing as it allows for the player to choose their playstyle and theres lots of viable setups for use in BD that don’t involve salve maker or spiritmaster.For me BD and megaten are just two different flavors of turn base and metaphor tried to do an in between by taking inspiration from BD.
>>692431983Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories mog all.
God, weebs are so easily impressed.No standards whatsoever.
>>692485978whats ur favorite game
>>692486013I don't see how that would be related to the topic.But my favourite JRPG combat is Grandia 2.
>>692486103you ARE a weeb with no standards whatsoever
>>692486103>Grandiacuck>Looking down on other peopleNo wonder that garbage series died
>>692431983one of the things that is most annoying in this game is it is difficult to tell when your party member is back or front row at a glance due to the camera angle they chose meaning i am occasionally restarting fights because not everyone was in their right row for a particular turn. the added complexity is welcome and all but i think etrian is superior
>>692486219Do you even know what weeb means?>>692486237It still had better combat that most recent JRPGs, which are pretty much carbon copies of SNES JRPGs as far as the complexity of their combat systems is concerned.
>>692431983Wtf...you literally summon Personas in this too? How is that a different franchise then?
>>692432436BASED kowashitai.https://youtu.be/MTl8gDQiKiE
>>692432636Not on PC.
>>692432636I will tell you why. I Remember it like IT was yesterday. The start of the Treehouse censorship in wiiu games. The same reason why i didn't buy XCX. Censorsed girls and removed dual audio. I don't want to look at burka wedding dress and listen to American roasties voicing 15y old japanese girls
>>692487639wasn't SMTxFE all Japanese voice acting?
>>692431983I don't think so
>>692431983No, it's too slow.The best turn-based battle systems are Nocturne, FFX, FFX-2, Paper Mario TTYD and Infinite Wealth.
>>692487756Nope, full on original P4 Chie quality of english dub.Singing was left in japanese. And that's because American VAs can't sing.
>>692488029why are you lying anon? there is no english dub for TMS.
>>692451234What game?
ZA WARUDO!!!!Time Has Stopped.......
>>692471564Based stinky leg attack.
>>692487381Game?
>>692432065fpbp
>>692489381enchant farmhttps://vrpghonyakubu.neocities.org/enchantfarm/enchantfarm-main
>>692485434>If anything what BD suffers from is having a lot of useless or gimmicky skillsThat is what I meant by it having bad Skill Balance.
I think a great turn-based system usually incorporates the actual battlefield in some way, like SRPGs or say Divinity OS2/BG3.
>>692490623Yes, we know, but nignogs in a row fans don't care and obviously prefer long flashy animations.
>>692490623SRPG and Larian's crap in particular are all braindead because they insist on juggling too many factors and refuse to make any of them count, even Nu-Com is largely mindless
>>692490623Which basically means that Radiant Historia is the best turn based system.
>>692491535This is correct.
Why the fuck is the hot elf named Hulkenberg
>>692491609So you can say Hulk smash during sex.
>>692488319shitty gacha game on mobile that barely works wizandry
I can understand playing JRPGs in a handled system but there's no way you faggots grind for hours sitting down in front of your TV/PC pressing one button,
>>692491890I've done worse shit for way longer.
>>692490590A skill being bad as a novelty or a skill being worse than another is not a bad thing.The latter is only a problem if the worser skill is unviable which has never been the case in jrpgs ive played. In recent memory I recall magic having a huge fall out in nocturne making it significantly worse for demi human compared to phys but still viable. A situation like this calls for calling the skill balance in the game unbalanced but far from bad.A purposely bad skill as a novelty is not a bad thing, especially if its usable if you put effort into it.
>>692491890Now you understand why JRPG is slowly getting replaced by gacha and auto battler
>>692491890>in front of your TV/PC pressing one buttonNever grinded in an mmo before?
I think I spent like around 5 minutes on every single press turn against this guyDoes Metaphor let you break the game like this? I tried the demo but I wish it threw me into a mid-game dungeon or something
>>692431983>baby's first time seeing JRPG meteorzero self awareness
>>692494103No. For me at least most of the end game bosses were about implanting weaknesses and using skills that use more than 1 press turn to attack those weaknesses so you negate the disadvantage of spending multiple turns on 1 attackThere's a couple of skills that add press turns, but I think they're all limited to once per battle
>>692493178Nocturne Magic is not unviable at all, the damage calculations make it worse than STR/VIT based attacks but weakness advantage and having boost means Magic never falls out of fashion all game long, it's just not the best. Also speaking of being unviable, you can beat V/VV with an Ailment based build, you can't beat BD with a status ailment build.
>>692480893does it go beyond the reused map/music? I've always been meaning to try the EO games but never got around to it, maybe I'll find some time before the rerelease for Metaphor drops
>Press button>Watch cutsceneFuck no.
>>692480893I'm currently in the Metaphor version of this dungeon and I have to say I'm digging how serious the dungeons are. MC has more MP regens slapped on him than he knows what to do with so he's been chugging along but the rest of the party is on fumes.
paripus woman deserve my cock
>>692494464I did not say nocturne magic was unviable at all I said it was WORSE not unviable.>In recent memory I recall magic having a huge fall out in nocturne making it significantly worse for demi human compared to phys but still viable. >still viable>>692494984A later archetype in the game is pretty reminiscent or at least inspired by one of EOs favorite posterboy classes.The islands pub, inn, armory and sundry shops are all named after shops of the same function in EO1’s town, which was called Etria. Eht Ria is clearly a play on the name Etria as well. If you asked me, this game is either alternate universe or takes place way in the past of EO1, the latter is unlikely due to no mention of Yggdrasil but I’m not done with the game yet so….either way, its entirely possible Yggdrasil just took a long time to form
>>692432535that unironically looks more like FFXI, an mmo
>>692496354I guess that's they meant when they said that it's not Megami Tensei nor Persona lol. The little I've seen of it with some of the more spoiler-y ones give me the vibe that it's kind of like a Greatest Hits game for Atlus as a whole so it's pretty neat.
>>692496354Forgot imageI do think atlus dropped the ball insanely making the dlc outfit for the protag into the hero class since this class was more than a perfect fit for the protagonist.I hope the next Metaphor game adds arcanist circles
>>692495350By the way the dungeon has the exact same layout and foes as well as foe patterns. The music is also a remix of the eo dungeon music.
>>692497145You haven't played the game.
>>692431983LOL
>>692497992Yeah okay whatever you say tranny.Also Kill yourself
>>692480893the plot is just eo but the game is just p5bravo atlus
>>692498532Trannies hate Metaphor.
I've been playing the demo. I'm getting 60 fps with the ambient stuff and 110 without it. But my cpu is basically idling at 7% and my gpu is at 40%. Why am I not getting higher fps if my cpu is basically idling?
>>692498806Fatlus mad coding skillz
>>692498693Tranny or chud. Its all the same to me. I just wanted to use a word that would piss off the retarded subhuman
>>692498806The game has some pretty bad performance issues and heavy hands the gpu for some strange reason
>>692497992
>>692498806>entire game runs smooth as butter>there is a single place inside the runner where FPS drops to oblivionI will never understand jap optimization
>>692499091Let's say I have a friend not me of course haha who has only played SMT and Persona games, but is interested in EO, what games should that friend play? I hear EO3 is good, but should I start from 1?
The recent Atlus releases make me realize i fucking despise press turn and any other system that allows you to manipulate turn count. That shit always enables alpha strike tactics and completely robs the game of any sort of meaningful encounter design. Etrian Odyssey has by far the best combat system Atlus has ever designed because it lacks this shit for the most part (beyond what, Fafnir getting 3 extra attacks?)
>>692499854It's funny I have the opposite experience. All the recent Atlus release make me realize Press Turn and any mechanic that creates an action economy to be by far the best innovation for turn based games.
>>692499853there is an EO collection that has 1-3 on it but the problem is that it's the original version, not the enhanced Untold versions
>>692499947>>692499854Turn based combat is a facsimile of real time action in order to take into account to account for being able to control multiple people at once. The idea that the Alpha strike being decisive too, is a facsimile for real time action. When you're playing an Immersive Sim, the optimal way to win a combat encounter is to get the drop on whatever you're gonna fight before they can react. When you play Dark Souls most encounters are decided before the battle even takes place, you look for an advantage before you engage the enemy. It's common sense. You design around situations where you have to deal with enemy advantage or against a foe/foes that are too strong and can turn the tables. I don't think every battle in a turn based game should play like you have challenged the enemy to a round of chess, underhanded tactics and cheese should always be on the table for both parties.
>>692480893blessed post
>>692499853EO IV always start with EOIV
>>692500672>I don't think every battle in a turn based game should play like you have challenged the enemy to a round of chessThere are NO battles in any JRPG like this. You're basically admitting that the best they can do is offer a game of single player menu based optimization.
>>692499853Assuming you just played metaphor then you should play EO1 or EOU in classic mode before you get spoiled.Do not fucking touch story mode on EOU until AFTER you clear classic, this doesn’t matter if you’re already spoiled of course.
>>692431983The combat is normal SMT press turn combat so yes
>>692467462I like SMTVV but it becomes completely braindead by the end when your whole party can use Almighty attacks.
>>692495350If you have wizard mask and wizard leveled on your characters up to shield blessing you shouldn’t have an issue maintaining infinite mp as long as you run an auto-ma general weapon.Junah should be able to shred most of that dungeon asap if you make a wizard mask
>>692499853EO 4 is the best to start with from a gameplay perspective.EO 1 and 2 are rough. The story isn't all that important but people like EO1's reveal, and it is a cool reveal.You could make due starting with 3 but it's hard
>>692503620That's what I have on MC. But it's not an insignificant commitment to get Wizard to rank 15.
The EO1 dungeon in this game is probably the best one, but was still disappointed the game puts a literal path in front of the player so they don't wander around and find the way themselves
>>692466404who wouldn't love the girl with the phattest ass in the entire game?
>>692470552He's just upset you didn't enjoy his favorite slop.
>>692503827Was there a path? Eupha kept saying that but it all looked the same to me and I ended up going through it my own way wandering around.
>>692450132fucking based.i dont know why this is controversial
>>692503770>heismay to steal>junah with wizard mask on dancer>strohl on pugilistI don’t see how you should have any mp problems.With this setup you cover basically every major weakness except slash but the omelette chef is also weak to thunder. You can also just run warrior strohl or knight hulkenburg with brawler skills.True enough, unless you leveled mage on heismay he will eventually have mp issues if you spam his damage skills but you can at least give him the ability to enable press turns by putting him on gunner
>>692431983What the fuck is good about this eyesore?
Himukai must have been pissed that he couldn’t make MC a princess
>>692432636no vagina bones
Atlus make animes disguised as games that waste your time with menu simulator combat that takes too long to get through. Every little shit enemy takes several animatuons and scene transitions to beat. >low level enemy appears>slash them>they don't instantly die, battle mode begins>transition animation for no reason >navigate menus, select attack >one shot pathetic enemy, even when there's multiple of them >WOWEEE YOU WIN! >stat screen showing numbers changing appears >celebration screen appears >transition frames back to the exploration mode >30 seconds of your life wasted one shotting 3 rats This is why atlus games are so niche and why metaphor wasn't able to break out of that niche despite atlus' marketing budget being bigger for it than any game they've made before. Normal players see this shit and think "i don't have time for all this superfluous fluff that is ultimately still just 3 niggas standing in a row static, fighting static enemies that can be handwaved but still steal hours of my life".
>>692504162Do Dancers get passive skills too? I thought they just got their attack skills.
>>692504449Wizard mask dancer gets shield blessing, so Junah is only losing 4 mp per cast if you’re using infernal vortex and getting a full return from kandera and blizzra
>>692504447>chud copeHow does dick taste like anon?
>>692504447Atlus games aren't niche anymore.
>>692504447joker is in smash, atlus is far from niche
>>692504447HOLY COPE
>>692431983BG3
>>692504447Didn't read your wall of text.
>>692508264Based
Since you faggots can never pick a best one just give me some really good ones. I am in the mood for some.
>>692508359Jagged Alliance 2
>>692508359Etrian Odyssey IVShin Megami Tensei IV
>>692502910>>692503637>>692508472>Downloaded Citra and EOIVAny tips or should I just go in blind?
>>692508719The new classes are better than the old ones. Drop the healer after getting the stick
>>692508719Should be fine going in blind, but looking at class guides couldnt hurt
>>692503845nice bait.There's a differect between "not getting it at all" and
>>692508719Not really necessary, but since the game is vague about skill levels, you can check skill sims to make more informed decisions with your skill pointshttps://reinasakuraba.github.io/eo4skillsim/
Is this game anything like Persona 5? Is there social links?
>>692511637Social links, social skills, and calendar systemBattle system is SMT press turn mixed with FFV's job system
>>692465593>not making altena kill 20 people in the enemy's turnWeak.
Does the game have any rock tracks?
>>692512406No
>>692511637It's a P5 reskin without confidant/social links. Make of that what you will.
>>692450132The only person to know what they're talking about.Not only are you right about SaGa but you are correct about comparing it to Mana Khemia as top-tier.
>>692514153>SaGa combat>goodCmon now
>>692431983maybe I've just moved on from rpgs in general but try to take this in good faith:what is the appeal of this game supposed to be?
>>692515030Do your own research faggot
>>692515030It's fun, has great style, and the characters are androgynous.
Sneed
>>692450132SaGafags are like the vegans/Jehovah Witnesses of JRPGs.
>>692521960Not an argument.
>>692514906SaGa is a notch above the rest of the market, and not just in terms of mechanics.The fact that most of /v/ hates is is all the proof you need to know it's an actually good series.
This game is making me love video games again
Things Id fix if theres ever a sequel:1. Show status effect weaknesses in Analysis2. Give each class a few more skills and synergy combos3. No royal classes, or at least dont have any of the restrictions4. No easy broken brainless setups like just simply having Heismay and Hulkenberg in your party5. More superbossesVoila, 10/10 games.
>>692522540Based
>>692491890I can understand having hobbies like sports and traveling but there's no way you faggots stay still for hours sitting down in front of your TV/PC watching a movie
>already stopped sellingNo legs
>>692434497this
>>692515030it's normie shit for persona fans. Not a bad game at all, but it's very bland.
>>692522726>JP Amazon
>>692522882Normies hate Metaphor though.
>>692434497Vengeance is better than Apocalypse. I think anyone who plays both games back to back would agree.
>>692523061I know Vengance has the same music composer, do they share the same dev team as well?
>>692522894>45 on american amazonKEK
>>692523354Metaphorbros...
>>692437227>Grindlol shitter
Been playing Persona ever since 3 came on the PS2, later checked outAt this point I'm just fucking burnt and tired of the same high school yadda yadda classroom shit, and Metaphor is indeed a welcome breath of fresh air despite retaining stuff like the calendar system right out of Persona.That said, I don't think Metaphor is on par with games like P4 and P5, despite being something I'd rather play now and in the future.And if their brand new IP couldn't even hope to break the shackles from Persona, I have no hopes for Persona 6.
Should I do the Dragon Dungeon before unlocking Junah's bond?
>>692484097It's a multiplier to your base crit chance.
>>692431983insane that people supposedly "enjoy" this type of "gameplay"
>>692522726Im not sure how much Im looking forward to Romancing Saga 2 or not. So its like...you defeat a boss, and then you have to start all over with a new character and party members? That seems annoying.
>>692524481It doesn't really work like thatEvery once in a while you'll get generation shift that will force you to build another party, that or you get wiped somewhere or your current emperor is killed/abdicates, how the generation works is calculated according to various factors such as how many fights you won, what events you completed etc., or at least that's how the original worksEverything you get through one generation is carried over to the next one, all the skills you learned, the items you got etc. is carried over continuously until the end of the game, your parties keep getting stronger as all the proficiency levels you get are adjusted through a global level system that calculates an average based on how many proficiency levels you gained up to the new generation, so you never start over with a blank slate
>>692491890why are catposters always so flagrantly retarded
>>692522640I think they should increase Archetype EXP across the board. I did every quest and beat almost all mobs in all dungeons, but I only managed to max the protagonist's royal archetype. More A-EXP would let people experiment and try different builds, now it feels like you're always playing catchup with requirements.It also feels a little weird that that the capstone abilities for royal archetypes are almost universally useless. Extra turns when defeating enemies just isn't all that valuable, especially when the only really difficult encounters only have 1 target
>>692525201>A-EXPI had a lot of leaves and roots that I just dumped for raw stats before the superboss and final boss because I had no MAG to unlock shit.I don't know if regicide has lower MAG rates but I definitely had more A-EXP than MAG.
>>692431983jesus christ even gacha games are better than this garbage
>>692526704Name three (3).
started playing Regicide today. What's the point of it if you already have fully leveled archetypes and endgame equips?
>>692432535Meanwhile...
>game available to be pirated for free now>no threads about itGoes to show how much people actually care about ReFagtazio. Only paid shills make threads and samefag in them.
>>692527009Nothing. Atlus went full retard on this one.You're supposed to hex edit your save and play it without NG+.
>>692527252I wish they would've made it so they just unlock all the archetypes and you can just choose what ones to level up.
>>692431983ENTER
>>692527474This
Can any anon hook up a bro with the soundtrack rip?
>>692432436I wholeheartedly enjoyed this game. Bought the wii u and the switch version tooToo bad it bombed twice because of muh treehouse cleavage and vagina bone complaints
Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Grimoire of the Rift is the best turned based game ever made
>>692527474I stilll think the Extra combat is cool and I'd like to make my own game around the idea.
>>692523143Apocalypse was made by Maniax team (I think? IV was), Vengeance was made by Etrian Odyssey team.
My favorite JRPG combat is Grandia II and honestly it's no contest. Only the in-combat job switching of FFX-2 really comes close.
no thats gotta be SB maybe
>>692528504>My favorite JRPG combat is Grandia IIPlay more games
>>692526843I can't
>everyone pretending the game doesn't play itself on auto battle like a gacha gamelmfao..........................................lol................................roflcopter
>>692431983That's crazy how the new normie standard is just persona 5 but with a different skin. I'm not a "hater", I just don't want to play persona 5 again.
There's no reason to play on any difficulty besides easy.You don't get more xp. I'm not gonna larp hardcore for SMTrannies DvD menu fetish
>>692533595I never used the auto battle since they show you what it's like at the very start to not have control over your companions.
>>692533813I found hard mode to be very enjoyable.
>>692533829They automatically hit enemy weaknesses for you.
>>692534031they also spend sp when you don't want them to spend it
>>692534095>buys 500000000000000 sp recovery itemsDamn what a loss
>>692534235You can only buy a max of 3 sp items in each city and they only give 30 sp.
>>692533813>there's no reason to have funI wouldn't touch Atlus and their 80 hour games if all I had to do was mash x
>>692431983>meteophorTranslator gods...I kneel...
>>692534316By the time you run out of sp you should be out of the dungeon anyway
>>692432636Are you fucking kidding me
>>692534515Not if your party members are constantly spending sp when it's not required.
>>692534592>>692534436You're wrong & gay. Trying to damage control how piss easy the game is because your gamer cred is on the line now. These DvD menus are story filler to make you forget how shit life is for a week. not some hardcore dungeen crawling experience. get off your rocker gramps
>>692534875It's not easy, the enemies will kill you and your party if you allow them.
>>692533789p5 at least has cool monsters, cute girls and good music
>>692534875>Trying to damage control how piss easy the game isWhat? I hate that they even bothered to lock the superboss and the hardest difficulty on NG+ and the fact that it is still fucking easy compared to something like SMT VV.
>>692535531Are you going to spam your retarded webm on each Metaphor thread?
>>692537080I only use it on relevant posts
>>692431983I liked SMTVV more
>>692432636>why didn't you fuckers buy her gameKeep censoring, i keep not buying.Easy as that.
>>692535531The more complex a game gets the bigger the potential gap between people who can figure out what hole the toys go into and the SIDS survivors that forgot to turn breathing into a reflex.
>>692535531What even is that dragon spell that buffs everyone?
>>692537872
>>692535531>>692534875You’re honestly both annoying as fuck, who cares if a game is hard or not other than try hard losers
>>692431983Best DvD menu ever made
>>692515030Flashy, animated interface, that's literally it (again). Most people don't like videogames, but they're really into the parasocial aspect of of posing for discussion and analysis with their peer approved non-opinions. It's why youtube essayism gets so much traffic despite having no value whatsoever.
>>692468687>QRD on why Unlimited SaGa filters a lot of people?It's a board game.
>>692537934It's a max hp limiter debuff
>>692533789Metaphor uses press turns so it's different in combat.
What jrpgs have unique combat to you fags? I’m talking stuff like Grandia, shadow hearts, some of the wild arms, and some of the suikoden games.
>>692538534You say that like it's a bad thing.
>>692538737You can't please these schizos, don't bother.
>>692538737Memoirs of a Battle Brothel has more unique combat than Shadow Hearts. Shadow Hearts is just adding memorization and muscle memory to shit. Hurr lemme hide the wheel that determines if you hit or not, and still keep a layer of RNG on if shit dodges anyway.Shit's stupid.
>>692539110I never heard of Memoirs of a Battle Brothel, I’m looking it up and if it’s younger than shadow hearts I’m call you a double nigger. Plus that’s not the fucking point I made in my post you retard, I wasn’t putting other games against each other I was just asking a simple question. Why are you faggots so fucking combative
>>692539110You dirty double nigger, this game looks like ass and you should be ashamed of your self for even trying to recommend it or pit it against shadow hearts
>>692538737Arc Rise Fantasia
>>692431983Nope, that'd be SMT VV, Metaphor is way too fucking easy, even on regicide....it feels like playing SMT VV on normal
>>692432436sex
kill yourself woke shit eating mentally ill tranny kill your worthless self for unironically playing this horse shityou are part of the problem why the gaming industry is the worst it has ever been!
No it's pokemon
>>692540468Maybe you're the problem
>>692540115No idea why but it makes me think of eternal sonata
>>692540468Just start posting the gore, shartyfag
All jrpg should just copy xcom2 combat
>>692463236your opinion on sts is not relevant because you clearly never bothered learning how to play it. stick to hentai game discourse
I liked Metaphor's combat, mostly during boss fights. As other anons mentioned, the regular encounters are either you getting fucked on the first turn or you fucking them on the first turn.Party building is kind of ass when you have to level up specific jobs with specific party members if you want their "ultimate" job, instead of the ultimate job being somewhat of an enhanced freelancer depending of how you built each character.And to add to the turn based conversation, I remember Wild Arms 3 being pretty fun.
>>692541197This
>>692538737Sometimes a generic turn based system but each character has a unique mechanic/strategy attached to them can also make the whole combat uniqueSee competitive pokemon
>>692541197That is just SRPG, a dying genre
>>692431983play more jrpgs
why is this board os full of troons that love these garbage weeb games
>>692545013Anime site
>>692545183facebooK? site for university students
>>692469685thats a whole lot of saying nothing, truly incredible
>>692522810That's fucking sick
>>692431983Where the FUCK is the mod that ports hard mode to normal mode? That extra press turn icon ruins it.
It's not bad but normal attacks are fucking worthless, why do they do like 50 damage while my "weak" phys skill does 200?
i have only seen one debuff skill actually work ONCE in this gamepoison doesn't worksleep doesn't workburn doesn't workassassinate doesn't workgodkiller might as well not be a real skill
>>692547339normal attacks are nice if you have a wep that gives the weakness for free turns
>>692547783Yeah, I'm kinda with you, even with that persona buff I still rarely got a poison or a fire debuff. I did get a few sleeps off.
>>692431983if you only care about good turn based combat, then play Crystal Project
>>692431983That would be Jagged Alliance 2
>>692431983This visual clutter is genuinely nauseatingmaybe it's the speedFfx and lost odyssey are the best turn based, and also not woke
>>692548943This
>>692432065no that would be shadow hearts 2 OR parasite eve 1
>>692547783Are you relying on secondary effects for these debuffs or using dedicated skills/items.Most afflictions I've found work about 75% of the time on non-boss enemies if your using them from items. Although it's typically my Merchant MC who does this and he has a sky high luck stat, no idea if that influences things.
>>692431983Not even close.
>>692445348The turn token system is pretty unique that heavily favors evasion and inheriting weakness skills.
>>692431983Ugly and even more bloated in visuals. Sorry Persona 5 i was too hard on you
>>692504447>unironically no arguments to thislool
>>692551789Cope
>>692431983What's so impressive about Press Turn? The best jrpgs require thought and thinking on your feet.I played a Pokemon romhack that was like this and was pretty good.
>>692551983Theres no such thing as thought in single player Pokemon. It's rock paper scissors where you know what youre opponent is gonna pick.
>>692552083Guess you missed the part where I said romhack.
>>692552159What does it do besides increase levels?
>>692552204A whole buncha stuff.My personal favorite change is the 8th gym double battle where you fight Juan and Wallace at the same time, and after you deal with their first full team, you get to immediately fight their second one with no healing inbetween (each containing multiple legendaries). Level cap included, with competitive EVs and items! It's swell. Although it is true that you could reasonably predict what the enemy would do at any time, its still hard to make the right choice, and even if you do it sucks. I also prefer to do monotypes, limiting my optionsz
>>692551983>What's so impressive about Press Turn?Unironically it just makes fights less dynamic and closer to being about letting you come up with busted combinations of moves that shut down enemies, which JRPGfags basically prefer the games to be about over actually planning around having enemies that are free to counter you in multiple ways.
>>692552394Unironically that's why rng is crucial for JRPGs. So you can't just spreadsheet strategize your way to victory.
>>692432535Kek
>>692469237Yeah, it's somethingWait until you get to the part where hundreds of innocents get slaughtered and nobody really cares, but then Strohl breaks down and cries over the death of a knight that he just met a few days ago
>>692497145>By the way the dungeon has the exact same layout and foes as well as foe patterns. The music is also a remix of the eo dungeon music.The entire game reminds me of EO.
Does fighting the baby human boss in the sewer do anything unique?Such as changing the dialogue later or giving a unique drop?
>>692555236I actually never fought it cause I wanted to look around, but it died at the end all the same. Not really sure why it was in the sewer now that I think about it.
>>692432582I do because1. It's not garbage 2. It's amazing3. You're a retard.4. /thread
>>692433579Ah yes the high fidelity graphics, coupled with the 4 different flavors of sand
>>692555486BASED
>>692555236No it just gives some incenses and exp which isn't really worth it with the amount of mana that you have to spend. I'd say that it's also harder than the story boss.
>>692537937WoW YoshiP really let himself go
