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Hamaguchi will save Aeris now
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Aerith*
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>>692947246
Let's fucking go
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i can't believe Sephiroth's sword was actually created by an old man named Masamune.
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>sneed ruiners
>Aeriszee~~**
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>>692947246
Game devs on twitter is literal cancer, and I don't think I'm interested in a guy who think The Last of Us, Horizon Zero Dawn and Ubisoft shit are good game design. After Nomura retires Square will die
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>>692947246
Aeris will be saved with the fucking PC port
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>>692947246
The speedrunner that saved aerAerithis
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>>692947246
>chinkmen tries to shill Stilbirth
can't believe final fantasy is as dead as Aeris rotting corpse in that lake.
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>>692948718
>troll who never played the original game on PC and PS1 is a blizzdrone
many such vulpera cases
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>>692947246
>now
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>>692949054
She's so beautiful.
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You have to be literally room temperature IQ to not understand that they set up the whole parallel universes thing so that you'll be able to pick from a dozen possible endings in part 3.
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>>692949569
Thanks for complimenting my wife.
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who cares about canon used goods
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>>692947246
rebirths ending was so fucking shit god damn
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>>692947246
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>>692950257
>Cloud/Tifa/Aeris three way releationship
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>>692950257
But you will only have 7 seconds to pick
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>>692947246
Three years until the end.
Time enough for you, perhaps.
But what will you do with it?
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>>692947340
Didn't the guy turn into Masamune
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>>692950257
They already said shit is gonna end the same way. You're getting an extended "goodbye" and that's it.
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>>692947246
based
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>>692950896
>reverse world
>upside down
>tree where Cloud is
but what does it meeeeean
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>>692947246
NOOOOOOO
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>>692947246
>Cloud! Save her!
What did Zack mean by this?
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>>692950475
Exactly, who cares about Tifa?
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>>692951519
I'm going out on a limb here, but could it mean that Cloud should save her???
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>>692947246
>hamaguchj
will he be in the game?
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>>692947246
everyone who said that you couldn't save her needs to apologize.
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>>692947246
Aerith*
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>>692951712
Tifa only shows her scar to Cloud
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>>692952061
Unless scar is slang for nips or vag, why would I want to see that?
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>>692950257
Fahrenheit, Celsius or Kelvin?
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>>692952061
Tifa fucked Johnny
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>>692950257
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>>692952547
Did you quote the wrong post retard?
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>>692947246
[Good news]
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>>692952621
>pick from a dozen possible endings
>Aerith already warned you it's not real
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>>692952782
You are completely misinterpreting that scene.
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>>692947323
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>>692952852
Nah, everyone else tried to forget about it once Rebirth explained why she'd say that
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oh no no no
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>>692953006
Cope. The dev already explained it years ago
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>>692949054
That's a man.
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>>692953006
That was lifestream Aerith from OG. She was trying to protect Cloud from the impact of her future death. She tried to imply that Cloud's feelings for her are not real and just an echo of Zack's.
She was wrong on two counts. First she did not understand that the multiple worlds will allow her to be saved. Second, Cloud's feelings were genuine.
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>>692953079
>Aerith is also telling herself not to fall in love because it's not real
thanks for proving my point further
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>>692947323
Wrong, Aeris was a more accurate translation.

Calling her Aerith is a Kingdom Hearts retcon that no one should take seriously. Like Cloud being emo or Squall being named Leon...
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>>692953170
Nojima already confirmed that line is because she suffers a terrible fate in OG
>her true heart and thoughts are closed off
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>>692953170
None of it is real it's a video game
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>>692953006
she said that so he wont chase her and end up depressed after her death you retard
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>>692953145
>Cloud's feelings for her are not real
Correct
>Cloud's feelings were genuine
see >>692953079, according to Toriyama she's also telling herself they aren't real
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>>692953441
you are literally misinterpreting it deliberately and hope you can gaslight your way to it because your feelings are literally hurt about the actual fact... you are basically a pussy lol
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>>692953218
>Nojima already confirmed that line is because she suffers a terrible fate in OG
Which means what exactly? Don't forget to provide sources.
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>>692953441
By this point it's painfully clear your reading comprehension is zero
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>>692951071
are we copying skyward sword now?
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>>692950475
Tifa is way more used than Aeris
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>>692953383
Thing is he's not depressed after her death because ghost Aerith is still around. Almost as if he's chasing a mirage...
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>>692953551
>your feelings are literally hurt about the actual fact
I'm not the guy calling other people names about it, lol
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>>692953576
It's from remake ultimania. I don't have a screen
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>>692953604
Or maybe yours is? Why would Aerith not want Cloud to chase a ghost of her when that ghost is seemingly leading him to bringing the black materia straight to Sephiroth?
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>>692950772
It was actually pretty subtle and convoluted. No wonder the average player can't get it.
Additionally, people are too short-sighted to understand that they couldn't have ended the game on such a tragic note; they had to go with an open and not overly tragic ending. The same goes for Sephiroth. You already fight him at the end of the first remake chapter, which only makes sense because they needed to end the game with a battle against Sephiroth; otherwise, it wouldn't have made sense.
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>>692953868
>vague allusions to the OG
>the context still remains that Aerith is telling Cloud that his feelings aren't real
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>>692953058
Isn't he talking about Tifa here???
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>>692954203
? He clearly says the line is there because of what happens to Aerith in OG aka she is trying to protect Cloud. Literally the entire answer focuses on the fact that if you know what happens to Aerith the line will make sense.

In particular, during the nighttime flower field scene in Chapter 14, Aerith tells Cloud “You can’t fall in love with me. Even if you do, it’s not real.” For those who are familiar with the original story, this line carries a lot of meaning.

Nojima: To be honest, some staff actually told me that this line made it seem like Aerith was looking down on Cloud, so it got rejected a few times. If you know Aerith’s fate, then this line would really pull at your heart strings, but if you did not know what happens to Aerith, then you might interpret the scene in a completely different way. I thought the gap between the two interpretations was very interesting.
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>>692947246
they're talkin about the OG FF7 btw. sounds probably lunar harp skip to get into disc 2 junon maybe?
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PC port when?
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>>692947246
How many impressionable young gamers did he condemn to trannyism with the Walmarket section of FF7?
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>>692954575
wall market was the only section of both remakes that was an improvement

Hojo's VA in remake is also notable
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>>692947323
Thethiroth Killth Aerith
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>>692947340
The same swordsmith made Frog’s sword and katana wielded by Connor MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod. Wild stuff.
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>>692954575
Cloud hated it so 0.
Although it is disturbing how many women love Cloud being forced to wear womans clothing despite clearly feeling uncomfortable the whole time.
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I am surpried by the amount of hidden fight mechanics this game have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqKLhyOdlu0
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>>692947246
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>>692954456
>she is trying to protect Cloud
from being led astray by false emotions
>if you know what happens to Aerith the line will make sense
She dies, Cloud gives a big speech about how he feels and Sephiroth laughs at him because he is a "puppet"
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>>692954792
because a strong man being able to embarass himself and lose nothing from it is an attractive trait to a woman

aeris is also just a faghag
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>>692955072
I still didn't get the alpha stuff in the magics
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>>692955120
>from being led astray by false emotions
except the answer says it's because of what happens to Aerith.
Keep coping lmao
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>>692955185
Cloud's false feelings aren't mutually exclusive from existing at the same time Aerith dies, you're truly grasping at straws here
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>>692955364
Here I will copy the relevant answer here:

>In particular, during the nighttime flower field scene in Chapter 14, Aerith tells Cloud “You can’t fall in love with me. Even if you do, it’s not real.” For those who are familiar with the original story, this line carries a lot of meaning.

>Nojima: To be honest, some staff actually told me that this line made it seem like Aerith was looking down on Cloud, so it got rejected a few times. If you know Aerith’s fate, then this line would really pull at your heart strings, but if you did not know what happens to Aerith, then you might interpret the scene in a completely different way. I thought the gap between the two interpretations was very interesting.
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>>692955440
You just repeated the same thing that's been posted twice already. The context is still Aerith telling Cloud his feelings are false.
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>>692947323
Eric*
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>>692955603
Yea to protect him
>If you know Aerith’s fate, then this line would really pull at your heart strings.
>And her true thoughts and heart are closed off.
Anyway enough. You clearly wont admit you were wrong and unaware of this interview. Everyone else can see what Nojima meant and nowhere in the answer does he say it's because of Cloud's feelings being false at all. Neither does Toriyama
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>>692947323
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>>692955747
>Yea to protect him
Ask yourself, when is it in the OG does Cloud truly break down and become ineffectual and worse yet, actively detrimental to himself and the world?
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>>692955129
Imagine if Aerith manipulated Cloud and Zack into kissing each other for her own sick pleasure haha
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>>692947246
After seeing the ending I understand why everyone calls it Redditbirth now.
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>>692955129
Plenty of them don't see Cloud as a strong man. Women have this weird fetish with putting weak attractive men into embarrassing feminine situations. Some modern brainrot.
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>I hope Cloud and all the other characters will finally find happiness.
I am sure this means absolutely nothing.
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Mid-2025 Seems Possible for The Inevitable PC Port
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Is this true?
Is Aerith a 90s heroine?
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True love
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>>692956715
cloud is a masculine tough guy
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>>692955150
what do you mean? it just makes the spells stronger
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>>692959426
no, it doesn't lol
it's a familiar
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>>692947246
Why is Remake Cloud such a pussy?
OG Cloud TANKED that with a cool monologue.
Remake Cloud needs force ghost daijoubu.
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>>692959468
yes it does lol
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>>692958686
debunked by aerith >>692952547
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>>692951202
>They already said shit is gonna end the same way
No they didn't.
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>>692959682
No, made my research
>
What does it actually do?
Let me start with what it DOESN'T do :

it does NOT increase the damage of the spell

it does NOT imbue the weapon with the element nor does it add any bonus damage to basic attacks

Now for what it does :

when you cast your alpha magic, you get a sphere rotating around you of the same element (a red sphere for fire alpha for example)

this sphere automatically throws a missile of the same element when you guard (no need to time it) against certain attacks, but not all. Against orcs for example (the basic green enemy with a mace, I don't know if it's the same in English), it counter attacks when they do the move where they roll towards you but not on their basic attacks. For the elephants, it counter attacks on their projectiles and most of their basic attacks. I don't know if it is bugged and should proc on every attack or if there is some weird rule I am not aware of. However, it seems to always work on a perfect parry.

the sphere will also attack when you use skills. For example, Tifa using unbridled strength throws a missile to the nearest enemy

the projectile deals low magic damage in a small area but it does stagger enemies, can crit and is of the same element of the spell used so you can take advantage of elemental weakness.

the sphere appears to stay indefinitely

only one sphere can be active at a time (using alpha ice will override the fire sphere for example)
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>>692959767
debunked by Toriyama and Nojima
>>692953868
>>692953079
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>>692947323
It's been almost 27 years. Let it go.
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>>692950896
7 minutes*
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>>692953127
t.
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Aerisites shitting up the board.
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>>692959870
re-read the reply chain
both of them verify Aerith is telling Cloud not to fall for false feelings
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>>692960151
9 minutes
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>Aerith threads always 500
>Tifa doesn't even get threads
heh
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>>692947246
She will ride the highwind.
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>>692955869
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>>692960563
Can someone explain why this gets posted with cait?
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>>692960296
no such thing as false feelings
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>Even Barret
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>>692961871
No.
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>>692961917
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>>692952061
Aerith has smooth skin and no scar.
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>>692947246
PC
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>>692947246
NuAerith is second most pretty vidya character in the last decade, second only to Ciri.
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>>692947246
>Aeris
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtqQzzA3_nM
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>>692962472
Tell me
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>>692947246
You ain't gonna trick me with this bullshit anymore. "Fly the Highwind around Ruby Weapon 99 times." Fuck you.
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>>692960660
It’s because Aeris/th/x is beautifully transcoded, while Tifa is chudcore. We’re an extremely tolerant, progressive imageboard.
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VI collab is coming to Ever crisis
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>Nomura literally made Cloud incredibly handsome because a friend of his complained about being unattractive and wanted to be the good-looking character, at least in video games.
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>>692964871
video games are a power fantasy, unless they're gay and lame
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>>692964871
the exact opposite of what it's happenig now. People wants to be the ugly realistic one in vidya
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There's something deeply poetic about the fact that the current speedrun of the original FF7 skips the entire section of the game that Rebirth covers.
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https://youtu.be/ON9R0hqXinQ?si=LWjfXlKHQiB9oTUN

AAAAA NOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT AGAIN WAIFU AERITH STAY WITH ME NOOOOOO
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>>692960660
tifa fans are generally stable people that don't nolife it on tibetan yodelling forums
aeris fan (it's one guy) is an unstable person who will necrobump the thread just enough to keep it alive forever

it is simply a statement on the mental stability of both fanbases
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>>692965805
The speedrun even allows you to fight with aerith against jenova
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>>692966071
what a normal and sane headcanon
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>>692947246
God damn. They really did rip off phantasy star ii all the way to the glitches, didn't they.
It's hilarious how little shame oldschool square had.
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>>692960689
Lel
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Aerith Strife
Cissnei Fair
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>>692951202
This. Anyone who is sweaty enough to have followed all this shit including the interviews knows that it's opening up to cram the rest of the compilation autism inside and then it'll close back up to the status quo
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>>692949054
Aerith's purity and innocence makes her more sexually desirable than Tifa. You just want to ruin her, defile her through sex. You just want to tear off that modest dress of hers and expose the untouched naked flesh under it.
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>>692966919
Sorry but Aerith is for love and handholding.
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>>692954012
You are an idiot.
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>>692966181
Doing that will softlock the game tho as she has no dialogue lines or animations she can use in the cutscene after the battle
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>>692967746
No, that's for Tifa. You do wild, deplorable sex to the reserved one, you make sweet, passionate love to the tomboyish one. It's all about contrast.
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Zissnei!
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>>692968726
aerith would shrink your dick with cetra magic and peg you herself
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>>692950257
ah yes
7 endings
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>Aerith will liv...ACK
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>>692962583
Why didn't Remake show this scene?
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>No kiss
LMAO
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>>692966919
>Aerith's purity and innocence
Did we play the same game?
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>>692971789
Yes Aerith is pure and innocent.
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>>692947323
Fuck that's a stupid name.
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>>692971726
the games are selling badly enough as is, the devs don't want the cleriths trying to kill them as well
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Saving Aerith as a possibility should annoy me but she's way too hot to be a corpse.
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>>692964651
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Predict Aerith's MtG card.
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>>692947246
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKNqDbqIbRU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4TjmnoOKfg
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>>692973669
ohnonono hahahahahahahaha
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>>692947246
So how does this look then? She still needs to die for the plot to exist. All what you would be doing is having a character around that is functionally just a meat golem or meat ghost of sort. Nothing but a body since they will still talk as if she died.
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>>692960689
hot.
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Oh I thought it was for the original...

Who cares?
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>>692974867
>She still needs to die for the plot to exist.
No she doesnt. AC being canon no more.
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Ken Masters is the most mentally ill nigger alive and will be crying right next to the mudslime retards who wish they could eat Zack's cum out of Aerith's asshole once the third game is out and follows the exact same plot points as the OG.
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>>692974867
Oh no one needs to die anon, thanks to time traveling ghosts from another dimension, there don't need to be any stakes at all. They could all die and all you'd have to do is pluck one from another dimension because they're all totally indistinguishable from each other, Tifa A is identical to and has the same exact personality as Tifa B and Tifa C and Tifa D-136784/A, none of them can die and even if they did you wouldn't even know and neither would they, and in fact people were hypothesizing this exact thing earlier this year. Isn't that awesome? There are no stakes, no drama, no loss, no risks, no possibility of failure, nothing at all.
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>person who's never played FF7 gets addicted to fanart and fanfics
>"omg aerith is just like me I'm a princess and I talk to flowers too and no one respects me as much as they should"
>"omg she's perfect she should cheer up a fat shut in weeb like me and pull me out of my shell she's literally perfect"
>every single time, they've never played the game
>you tell them the story and they start sperging out about how Zack doesn't matter and Tifa is a whore just like all the real life bully girls that made them want to commit suicide
the pattern literally never changes
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>>692973670
wtf why does sephiroth face looks so female like?
but hey at least hes not black
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>>692976515
Why do you people want her to live so badly? What is the point? So she can have romance with Cloud forever and ever?
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>>692977437
That's the only reason the entire remake trilogy exists so the answer to your question is yes. There is sincerely no other reason for its existence, the story changes, or the general attitude of it. The game has been reduced to a ship and nothing else is important or even matters, there are no other things truly going on, it doesn't matter how anything else plays out at this point.
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>>692977437
everything after the original game keeps hinting at cloud and aerith relationship so often its unreal, why do you think cloud and tifa weren't together for real in AC? SE knows people get too invested into these dumb ships so they just string them along in order to keep more attention into the games flowing
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>>692947323
Faggot ass lisp.
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>>692978512
>why do you think cloud and tifa weren't together for real in AC
I don't think that since I don't suffer from brain damage like you do, and my skin is also fair unlike yours which looks like feces.
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>>692978853
If you don't suffer brain damage like we do, then why do you care if some people want to see their ship realized?
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>>692979178
I swear brown people and flips need to be blocked from ever accessing the internet.
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>>692947246
Why did he kill off Aerith then?
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>>692980139
He enjoys fleecing and torturing retarded otaku and fat weebs who never played the original game or understood what the story even was.
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>>692980350
The story was about saving the world from meteor right?
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>>692947246
Aerisdies used to be a hentai porn website
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>>692980556
That would be part of the plot.
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>>692980556
The story was about enslaving and then genociding brown people so the world could live in peace.
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>>692972560
>aerith/earth
>cloud
>barret/bullet
>red 13
>sephirot(h)
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>>692981204
I dunno man the meteor is in the title card
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>>692981412
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiferet
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefirot
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>>692981457
That would be part of the plot.
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>>692981664
So what is the story about?
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>>692947246
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>>692952061
Tifa has no scar
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>Time jannies want a sad mailman
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>>692983126
Yes Tifa is the crazy one, not Cloud.
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>>692950257
I wish but they’ve confirmed that the story is ending the same and continuing to Advent Children
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>>692976945
Aerith is for flat chungus selfinsert, they are also old so they thing talking like little girls will make them younger
I prefer a woman talking like an adult woman desu
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>CLOUD LOOK AT MY TITS
>LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK
>LOOK AT THEM!
Tifa canonically does not have this problem
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Depressed Mailman timeline is OFF the table. Quarter Cetra Twins is where this train is rolling.
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>>692972724
I see clotis are STILL getting more unhinged by the day, it will be a sad sight when part 3 lands
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>>692983569
Surely you can prove that in some way and aren't just a coping cloti?
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I haven’t played these remakes does she not die in rebirth?
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>>692983596
Aerith is for triple digit IQ people who can interpret the storyline. Tifa is for functionally retarded incels who can't think beyond LE TITS.
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>>692984674
Rainbows
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>>692950257
You have to be literally room temperature IQ to give a fuck about part 3 at all anon.
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>>692952061
*and Johnny
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>>692984787
t. Jealous flattie who thinks women with big boobs are le bad
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>>692947323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYT_Cy1JBuU
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>>692985043
I'm a man but I have an army of clerith wine aunts at my disposal so don't push me
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>>692947323
Fpbp, retards will forever be retarded
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>>692949054
People unironically choose Tifa over this Radiant Beauty of a Woman and >>692966919 perfectly sums it all up
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>>692968809
>*ACTIVATING COMBAT MODE*
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjpsHEaAOX0 [Open]
>*schwing*
>HAI
>ERRRAH
>HA
>*slots land on tseng
>*2000s cell phone rings*
>"is this the end?"
>"NOT IF I CAN HELP IT
>Airstrike Level 5
>99999999
>”OH YEAH”
>*CONFLICT RESOLVED*
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>>692968809
Which way Soldier Boy?
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>>692985548
Chloe and Priscilla
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>>692972271
Why the fuck is this simple Aerith image so hot?
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>>692974497
Yuffie as Relm next
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>>692982069
Anybody got this meme but with Street Fighter 6 Terry?
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>>692976945
I played OG for the first time before Rebirth came out and I stopped after Cosmo Canyon. Been waiting the time to resume.
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>>692959470
Cloud was cool in Remake. But they made him lame again in Rebirth
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>>692984674
She dies but Cloud hallucinates that she's not dead making people think that she's not. It's actually a clever retcon to explain why Cloud didn't have a breakdown in the OG.
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>>692985514
Still the most kino death scene in all of FF
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>>692976945
I love how clotis desperately keep bringing up Zack all the time
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>>692947246
I give little to no fucks about this remake. At this point, the only way it can redeem itself is aerith, jessie, and tifa surviving with cloud impregnating them all in harem ending. Fuck the waifu wars, knock them all up is the true end goal.
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>>692986058
Is he not returning in part 3?
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>>692985865
It's not a hallucination, she's alive in the lifestream and will be revived, cope clotifag
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>>692984674
Cloud deflects Sephiroth's attack, splitting the world in two. One where she's alive and the other where she's not.
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>>692986117
Yes Sephiroth will revive her after he is redeemed.

>>692986121
But why did they leave her behind in the world where she survived?
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Cloud, Zack, and REDEEMEDiroth fighting Super Ultra Mega Genova.
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>>692986315
Honestly, I can see them pulling some shit that Jenova was controlling Sephiroth and they cleanse it from him
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>>692947246
Latest confirmation that the remake project is a remake
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>>692986267
She's going to keep trying to make Holy work and not make things confusing for Cloud's party.
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>>692986354
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>>692986315
>>692986348
Not a doomposter, but this is clearly where things are headed. They don't want Sephiroth to just a be a bad guy.
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>>692986380
But the party knows that she's alive in that world.
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>>692986432
Then she's staying behind to work on Holy.
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When is she going to send up smoke?
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>>692986485
After getting the Highwind.
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>>692986461
But holy has been summoned. The only thing left to do is to give the black materia to Sephiroth.
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>>692986515
>But holy has been summoned.
Holy failed in the original.
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>>692986592
So why did she die?
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>>692986630
To troll Cloud
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>>692986630
Literally just for the shock value. The devs wanted to be edgy and kill a main party member, so they had Cloud, Aerith and Barret to choose from. Cloud had to stay alive because he’s the MC and Barret’s death wouldn’t really shock anybody, so they killed the main heroine. According to the devs themselves, there was no deep story reason behind it.
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>>692984540
where's S-E's sales milestone announcement for Rebirth?
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>>692986429
>sefiroffs a good boi he dindu nuffin
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>>692986781
Jokes on her he didn't lose his mind like he did with Zack.
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>>692951435
Nothing. Get ready to be super disappointed when the third game (assuming it even gets made) is more straightforward adaptation until the end when shirtless Sephiroth instead of being defeated tells Cloud to follow him through a portal, leading to FFVII Final Crisis.
Screencap this.
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>>692951435
Promised land
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>>692987596
NOMURAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>692987596
So the meteor destroys the world?
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>>692947246
they could have found better ways to play with our expectations instead of changing the whole canon and making it about multiverses
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>>692976945
Nice projection, it is Tifa fans who never played the game just saw the tits.
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>>692974497
How do Tifafags keep losing kek
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>>692977186
Lots of people on twatter were saying it's AI art. Lots of inconsistencies
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>>692990553
Can’t wait for the seethe when Tifa will be getting Zell/Wakka skins in the eventual FF8/FF10 crossovers while Aerith gets Rinoa/Yuna
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>>692991478
>>692990553
>>692974497
Samefag
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>>692973669
2 collabs. 2 instances in which Cloud and Aerith are portrayed as the hero and heroine. Really gets the brain juices flowing.
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>>692992857
That's because they are.
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>>692992857
I mean most FF heroines are mages in dresses.
I guess Rinoa and Maybe Jill(haven't played XVI yet so idk) could be Tifa
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>>692992956
Then why does Tifa fuck Cloud at the end of OG
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>>692993741
Isn't that scene based on affinity?
I think last scene in game aerith opening her eyes
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>>692994347
No it's canon they fuck
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>>692994347
The tifag is lying and coping. Typical.

Yeah, it's affinity-based, there are two scenes under the highwind. And none of that optional shit matters either way as Cloud's last line in the game never changes; he will always want to meet Aerith in the promised land.
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>>692995968
>he will always want to meet Aerith in the promised land.
As a cherished FRIEND
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>tifa aerith bickering
meanwhile Cloud being an absolute chad
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>>692997585
With Tifa
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>>692997847
I didn't like the bahamut gears but this collab looks sick
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>>692995968
How come there was no mention of the promised land in AC and DoC?
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>>692997851
Exactly. Cloud and Tifa visit their cherished friend Aerith as a couple.
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>>692990553
It’s almost like she was always an afterthought and a silver medal as far as the devs were concerned,
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>>692998530
So why did they kill off Aerith in disc 1?
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>>692947246
That was always obvious, curious about how they will do it tho
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>>692997847
Cloud looks insanely good, it's wild how much he fits with every Crossover FF outfit.
He looks good as Zidane, now even better as Locke.
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>>692947323
Zoomer disneyfag moment
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>>692998530
Still think that Tifa fans are deranged as fuck because 2 months ago they were going insane over her summer outfit and the bahamut one while trashtalking Aerith's summer skin. But now they're acting like they're being abused.
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>>692966919
there is a 100% chance she will enjoy it and make sure to reverse the trap, the quiet ones are the ones who rivals a female khajiit in sex drive.

>>692985612
If you ever see or get your hands on the skyrim mod that was on /vg/ years ago she looks great with other hairs too, is just that she is too photogenic with any makeup.
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>>692954764
Melchior made Frogs sword, but it was composed of twin demons named Masa and Mune
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>>692953174
>More accurate translation
In a game know for having a garbage translation. Kek I guess if your going for consistency
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>>692998530
>>692998954
Lmao. Mentally ill clerith wine aunts detected. Good job just ignoring these posts >>692998358 >>692997851
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>>692967920
Nta but
>Guy who couldn't understand the ending of a children's game calling anyone an idiot.
Ironic lmoa
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>>692999126
Aerith - default date and love interest
tifa - optional
Cloud - Aeriths lover
I don't need your levels of cope and misinterpretation.
Keep screaming tho
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I will literally never play this faggoty remake garbage :)
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>>692999178
>Nta
Sure
You're still an idiot.
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Cloud should ditch those two whores and fuck Terra.
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Reminder that this is how the original spoke abou Aeries' death:
Tifa
I wonder what Aeris felt... when she was on that altar...?

Cloud
I'm sure she wanted to give her life for the planet...

Tifa
Really? I wonder? I don't think that's it at all.
I think she didn't think she would die at all, but that she planned on coming back all along.
She always used to talk about the 'Next time'.
She talked about the future more than any of us...
Although she never talked about it to us she must've had a rough life...
I think Aeris looked forward to tomorrow and the future more than anyone...
...she must've had many many dreams......

Now it's all just game theory, multiple universe, lore discussion shit. The human element is totally erased.
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>>692999267
Zack is Aerith's lover did you even play the games?
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>>692960689
>Jungle Book snake eyes
Kek. Kingdom Heart'th faggots are actual literal Disney troons hahahhahahaha
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>>692999665
Are you okay anon?
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>>692997847
Locke is literal incel
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>>692999465
>muh Zaaaaaa-
ACK
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>>693000130
Why did they change this in CC and in Rebirth?
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>>692999449
Because that doesn't drive engagement.
Remember the ME3 ending plan where it had "lots of discussion by everyone" as one of the points on the flowchart? That's what the entire "Remake" is about. It's engagement. A product as an advertisement for social media posts and youtube videos.
Final Fantasy VII's remake is like the bizarre decoration someone puts in their house whose only function is to start a conversation.
>"Oh, that fish with boobs sure is interesting..."
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>>692999381
Terra is for Edgar only
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>>693000249
They didn't change it.
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>>692992857
Aerith didn't get Celes's outfit though
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>>693000130
She only says that because she thinks he ghosted her
>>693000249
To not confuse retards like that anon
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>>692999449
I talked about it in another thread but

>Cloud
>...Shut up.
>The cycle of nature and your stupid plan don't mean a thing.
>Aeris is gone.
>Aeris will no longer talk, no longer laugh, cry...... or get angry......
>What about us...... what are WE supposed to do?
>What about my pain?
>My fingers are tingling.
>My mouth is dry.
>My eyes are burning!

After Aerith dies, Sephiroth tries to go on a long diatribe about the planet and the Promised Land and Cloud isn't one bit interested in that. Because Aerith is gone. Now isn't the time to be cerebral, his emotions are raw and angry and unstable. Because this is supposed to be an emotionally raw moment.

So can anyone explain to me why Square looked at one of the most emotional moments in gaming history and decided this would be a great place for lore speculation? The exact thing Cloud didn't want to hear about?
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>>692999449
Of course it's not in Rebirth because it is from Disc 2 faggot.
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>>693000461
That's not the point he was making dipshit. He's saying FF7 acknowledged the finality of Aerith's death. There is no going into the Lifestream or the planet or the multiverse to hear her last words or help her do something she wanted or give her happy ending. Her story was cut short, regardless of anyone's feelings about it. And it's left to the living to just assume how she would feel in that moment. That's what makes death tragic
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>>693000641
NOMURA IS CLUELESS
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>>692980139
He didn't. At the end of R1 the party leaves for an alternate world where they could shape their own fate, at the end of R2 these worlds collide and when they return to the original world they came from where Aeris was supposed to have died the first time around(world 1), they leave Aeris behind alive and well in world 2. And Zack is in yet another world after having the same thing happen to him before the start of game 1.
3 parties in different timelines, which probably means we will get Jesse Biggs Wedge and Johnny as party members and a fourth dimension where a Dark Tifa forms when all of her exiled breast tissue that has been cast into the void tries to reclaim her body
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>>692972560
Yeah, cause Aeris is such a normal common name
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Is it possible to have sex in the lifestream?
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>>693000667
Yeyeah I know but the game is giving us a different message for now, because the devs thought there is no point in repeating the same lesson that everyone already knows for more than 2 decades. It can't satisfy everyone I guess.
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>>692999294
>Paranoia
>No argument
Sad
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>>693000425
>She only says that
That's his fundamental trait, cuck
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>>693000821
What is there to argue about? You didn't tell us what you think the "children's ending" actually means.
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>>693000450
See: >>693000260
You can bet that this was workshopped and talked about. What can we change that would make even people against it get involved with the engagement. Aeries' death is now just a hashtag in the algorithm, a debate thread on Reddit.

Yes, you were meant to 'feel about' Aeries' death rather than 'think about' it, but what kind of engagement would that provide? Lots of sad faces and them moving on?

I mean, yes, many people who played FF7 at the right time in their lives were deeply affected by scenes like you and >>692999449 posted, but that's not measurable.

>>693000461
The point went over your head. You're the exact person the remake was made for.
Even if they put that exact scene in the remake, word for word, it's too late now. Because Aeries' death isn't a young woman's life cut short, it's a lore discussion about multiple universes and alternate timelines.
In the original Aeries is gone. She'll never come back, and they'll never see her again. In the remake she's alive in some alternate universe if only you can select the right options from a menu.
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>>692999846
>Pretend not to notice
Anon, show some backbone
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>>693000849
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>>692947323
lolno total Æris supremacy
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>>693000849
What's whose fundamental trait? Cleriths getting unhinged
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Read >>693000725 then read >>693000450 and >>692999449
The difference between the original and the remake in a nut shell.
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>>692999126
What the fuck are you talking about, schizo. Are you a middle aged woman?
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>>693000405
So why did Aerith write 88 letters for Zack?
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>>693000641
I think the only FF where Tifa would get the main role is probably 16, and even that one i'm not so sure because Jill is a mage and she uses a full blown dress, i've never seen them make Tifa work with a dress in EC.
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>>693000876
Read this >>693000802
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It’s not aerithdies you fucking savages
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>>693001231
... You know that the finality of death and the sadness of those left behind isn't some trend, right? It doesn't go out of date. It's part of the human experience.
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>>693001131
>crisis core
and even there ultimania destroys your headcanon.
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>Aerith gets Jill outfit
>Tifa gets Benedikta outfit
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>>693000802
But they can use the same characters and plot beats? I've been saying this for like 4 years now but if they didn't want to redo FF7 then why are they redoing FF7? Why not do something after Dirge? Or help out the 16 team? Or fuck it, start on 17?
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>FF7 Threads before Remake: People just casually talking about the very straightforward and easily understood story and their thoughts and feelings of it
>FF7 threads after Remake: Endless circular spergery about "MUH TIMELINES" and "WHAT DID THIS THING THEY CHANGED FTOM THE ORIGINSL MEAN?", everyone coping that they will destroy the tragedy of Aeriths death (the thing that made the OG for iconic and memorable) by somehow bullshitting her back via said timeliness autism because they want to fuck her, people defending the remakes butchering the OG because they just want their waifu to live, story quality be damned, and no nstop waifu faggotry

Imagine if they just did a faithful Remake instead.
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>>693001317
88 platonic letters
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>>692947323
Alipheese?
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>>693000725
Why did they leave Aerith behind?
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>>693001357
Both girls wouldnt fit that well because Jill is a mage and uses a sword but yeah. I think Benedicta would be easier to turn into Tifa because she fights with her wings and claws and uses a type of bodysuit, perfect for Tifa.
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>>693001317
this

>>693000249
>>693001028
>change this in Rebirth
no.

cucktis can not really read and can't even find a clever way to pretend as if they can
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>>693001413
Hamaguchi said CC is not canon to remake project because it is its own thing.
There are things they pull from it that's it
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>>693001408
If you want a fun time try and track down some of the theories about FF7's story from the 90s, where there was a major, widely-held, belief that Sephiroth was actually a puppet for Jenova the entire time.
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>>693001308
It's been 30 years. Just let them be happy anon.
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>>693001562
>dude just change the story so the point of the story isn't the story any more
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>>692947246
That's the whole purpose of the last 2 games so...yeah.
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>>693001524
Kitase said it's canon. Also it's in EC.
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>>693001408
The ironic thing is that zoomers go wild for this soulless shit, then will go on about "millennial writing."
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>Clotifa vs Claerith threads still happening
Good grief
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>>693001615
Story is still about stopping sephiroth tho. Aerith living doesn't change that
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>>693001856
So why did she die?
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>>693001964
She didn't give Cloud his pizza like she promised. Sorry Jairus
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>>693001505
Could've just made her say no to Cloud's question. Also make her confess properly.
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>>693001804
Tifa and Aerith are on a complete different level when we talk about heroine popularity in FF. In the way that even if FF7's fanbase is divided between them they still get more fanarts and content than all the other ff heroines.
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>>693001856
That's the most surface level take in the history of surface level takes. You'd be satisfied if FF7 was a romcom so long as Sephiroth was the antagonist
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>>693001856
>Story is still about stopping sephiroth tho.
That's what the plot is, but it's not what FF7's story is about.
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>>693002054
Suppose she dies again. Then what? People will cry for 3 months and then move on. By the time part 3 is released, it will be "ah sucks that I can't use aerith now", just like that.
I mean we all have been there. I don't mean to say there is no point at having to go through all of that again, but by the format we are having now, going to that same beat isn't as rewarding anymore.
And what if the story continues as is now? We can still expect part 3 to start and progress as the original. Half past that, Aerith will rejoin and be playable again. That doesn't really change disc 2 does it? Even if she still dies again, you will see her face just before the credits like in the original. Don't just reject change for the sake of rejecting change. And I dont mean that they did everything right. Rebirth had serious issues regarding Zack and whatever the last chapter was.
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>>692947246
>only just figured out how to do that
welcome to 25 fucking years ago, dumbasses
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>>693002103
So why leave her behind?
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>>693002050
14 is catching up tho
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>>693002103
If you're going to take the route then why have Aerith die at all? This is the problem with Remake as a whole, it's the self aware, meta, remake that's not a remake, lukewarm cash grab. That's a lot of buzzwords but I seriously think it applies to this whole project.
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>>692953174
>implying cloud wasn't emo
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>>693002513
>"Let's mosey."
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>>693002409
14 is a gaas, hard to compete when you're dealing with OCs and people who self insert in relationships with those npcs
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>>692947323
I name her Aerif,
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>>693002103
Shut up. You talk like a fag.
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>>692947246
They are obviously going to save her, but the ending could still be like FFX. When Sephiroth is killed for good maybe worlds must break apart again.
If you get perfect ending then Cloud just slashes reality in half again and does a cool pose and a oneliner about fate being his bitch
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>Cloud, in the original game, only actually knows aerith for all of 2 weeks before she dies
>Even the player barely actually spends any time with her since the OG wasn't even that long and she dies halfway through
>I am supposed to believe he somehow fell in love with her in such a short span of time and be emotionally moved by her death

It's actually bad writing when you thinking about it.
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>>693002346
It isn't explained yet. My guess is that Holy will be activated for real this time.
>>693002508
You're just upset because it brands itself "Remake" while not fulfilling your standards for a game remake. Have it your way. It's called Final Fantasy yet there are now 16 of them, and more. Life is too short to be upset for this. Dont like it dont buy.
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>>693002668
>When Sephiroth is killed for good
I hate how Sephiroth has turned into some god, when in the original he's some chump who turned himself into a schizo then got owned by a faceless grunt.
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>>693002716
Wow time doent matter for romance, amazing
You must feel very smart by realizing that Jack and Rose only knew each other for 2 weeks in Titanic, right?
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>>693002716
Are you a robot?
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>>693002795
The argument is also a failure because the ones who say that most of the time are tifa fans, but the whole point of the story is how Cloud and Tifa also were never really close nor friends at all
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>>693002508
nta but they're balancing retcons, the original story, and cliffhangers. The one thing both sides don't get is that they still need to sell the games as "complete" games. Because they split up the games to parts, they are in a unique position to add unique shit to each part to have the players have a sense of playing a complete game. Think of it like Kingdom Hearts having unique new enemies in each installment even though they amount to nothing. In Remake it was whispers and in Remake it was timelines.
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>>693002751
It's not exclusively that it brands itself a remake. It's also that despite wanting to change things it still follows FF7 beat for beat. Hey here's an idea: instead of stripping Aerith of her memories at the start of the game, have her start Rebirth knowing the endgame and going a totally different direction.
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>>693001408
>FF7 Threads before Remake: People just casually talking about the very straightforward and easily understood story and their thoughts and feelings of it

>Tifa shutting up
>Ending ambiguos
>Jenova or sephiroth in control
>How in the actual fuck does cloud-zack even work
Oh shut up you moron, ff7 is a whole can of worms when it comes to ambiguous stuff that people never understood
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>>693002989
Yep, since 97 people have doubts about how much in control sephiroth is of himself.
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>>693002989
>>Jenova or sephiroth in control
While the "technically correct" position is Sephiroth, Jenova being in control the entire time is just cooler.
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>>692999449
>The human element is totally erased.
???
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Your post this >>693002984 is genuine criticism.
Your post this >>693002508 is just complaining for branding.
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>>693002751
So they will retcon the part where they need to kill Sephiroth first before holy can activate? Why not have Aerith join them to defeat Sephiroth and then summon holy? And in beagleverse where Aerith died, was holy not summoned?
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>>693003048
Well, now we know he's a demi-god with time travel powers.

>>693003113
Human beings die. There is no "alternative timeline" to unlock where that doesn't happen.
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>>693002965
That isn't my issue. I know they have to be "complete" standalone games that are also parts of a trilogy. But there are ways to do that without getting into many worlds theory bullshit. For example I think the idea that Wutai hasn't lost the war but rather it was put on pause to be super compelling. And that Yuffie isn't just doing this on her own but rather she's on assignment to be a great pivot from where she was in 7. It's a change but I think it's a great one that doesn't break FF7
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>>693002964
The FF7 novel literally confirms that Cloud and Tifa loved each other as teens in Nibelheim.
>cleriths on suicide watch
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>>693003182
>beagleverse
FF7R fans say shit like this and expect me to take it seriously.
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>>693003182
I'm not a seer so I don't know where this is going. I'm just arguing that despite some questionable decisions, her living as of now is not really changing anything substantial in part 3 that would make the game uncomfortable to play, or so I think at this time.
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>>693003296
We're a long way from Sakaguchi...

>>693003234
>The FF7 novel
lol fuck off
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>>693003289
Then don't participate in the discussions
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>>693003365
It's a canon novel (and a really good one) written by Nojima himself, seethe
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>>693003356
If you can't see why the multiverse-time-travel shit doesn't radically change the nature of Aeries' death, then we'll never be able to have a discussion on the matter.
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>>693003356
So when will she die?
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>>693003535
Everything is the same buy the game. But if you want changes then everything changed and you should buy the game as well
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>>693003450
>It's a canon novel
Says who?
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>>693003597
Square Enix
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>>693003645
Weird, because FF7 was made by Squaresoft.
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>>693002984
The thing that gets me is if we really have to put up with this alternate worlds shit why are they all so similar to each other. Some people say it is because they're not alternate worlds and just the lifestream but that seems like cope when it's obvious they exist just to bring dead characters back to life. I have no faith in them doing something genuinely interesting with it.

But if I HAVE to put up with it, why are they so similar as to be essentially indistinguishable from each other? There is no difference between 1 version of aerith and another version. If this must happen why could we not see actual changes. Why didn't we see a universe where Dyne led Avalanche because Barrett died at the Crater, or a universe where Zack survived and Cloud died, or a universe where Tifa is a radically different person because Cloud never took the job and they never met again, or their childhood events were so different she became a different person.
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>>693003535
So what? She won't be appearing in part 3 until the last third. You happy?
The gameplay from the party's perspective will be more or less the same until she gets back.
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>>693003727
I like the idea that the Shinra marketing guy who created Stamp is the one making all these universes since those are the only real changes between them
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Sephiroth literally tells you the new worlds are created when fate is defied.
When harbinger is defeated Zack lives and spawns a new timeline.
Everything else to that moment was the same.
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>>693003748
So will she die again to save the world?
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>>693003859
meant for >>693003727
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>>693003859
Zack died 2 months before the whispers were defeated.
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>>693003859
That doesn't impress me as an excuse. If I have to put up with this multiverse exhaustive shit I'd rather get to see some alternative outcomes. I don't really care what excuse they give, sounds like a copout to me, I guess nobody in the FF7 universe ever defied fate until the party came along, which just shrinks the entire world down to only them mattering to me. It doesn't really feel like a world anymore. I can understand if that sounds retarded but it's how it feels to me personally.
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>>693003974
When harbinger was defeated it altered zacks last stand so he survived.
All other (confirmed) world creations that happened were the results of different zack decisions.
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>>693004069
It's not an excuse. I am not telling you to like it, just explaining to you why it's not a radically different world (outside of you know, tifa, barret and nanaki being dead and zack alive with aerith and cloud unconsciouss)
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>>693004087
Which was 2 months before the battle.
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>>693004183
Yea and defeating the manifestation of fate itself is a big enough deal for that to be a moot factor
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>>693004254
Because Zack obtained the gift of the goddess by defeating Genesis?
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>>693004254
Ah yes, and Avalanche decided to attack Shinra tower 2 months earlier too, because Aerith was kidnapped 2 months earlier too.
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>>693004087
Okay so these leads into several questions that neither you nor the actual game is going to answer. How far back does this broken fate go? Because there's a lot of important people that probably wanted to live. Like say, and I'm just using as an example, fucking Ifalna? The last full blooded Cetra? Those guys who can use White Materia aka the Planet's greatest defense system? From just minor enemies like Jenova? For that matter if killing the harbinger can break reality then why not make a world where Jenova never crash lands on the planet? Or the Gi? Why would Sephiroth even allow the party to fight harbinger? Using Black Materia no longer matters because there's now a bazillion worlds. If Sephiroth succeeds in one world then how does that affect the others?

You see how this creates more problems than it solves?
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>>693004563
It's a fictional story, plenty of them don't make sense if you go into details.
Zack is a popular guy and they wanted him in the remake project so it altered his fate. I don't think some profound thought went into it
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>>693004705
Or it's easier to just believe it's all lifestream nonsense. Or that he acquired the gift of the goddess.
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>>692952963
>the cool guy is the rational one, and the ugly guy is a strawman!!!!
every time
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>>693003859
Well if sephiroth says it, it must be true
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>>693004705
>Zack is a popular guy and they wanted him in the remake project so it altered his fate.
There's the problem. Out of universe popularity has started affecting in universe events. I don't think this is controversial to say but art shouldn't be democracy. Setting up things in your story and then changing it a bunch of fans decided shipping was more important is a bullshit way to build your world.
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>>693004520
Could be. Unlike in OG when it's confrimed zack died, Shinra still thinks he is alive. I don't know how it impacted the story and we don't know how tifa barret aerith and nanaki were captured
>>693004868
If you want to sure. I don't think it makes sense since there are people who are alive in 'main' beagle world in terrier as well.
And people seem to be ignoring cloud saw midgar surrounded by whispers and the white explosion after destiny was defeated.
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>>693004971
Except Aerith also speaks in the Lifestream section too. And she never refutes the many worlds claim, only Sephiroth's idea that what he's doing is helping the planet.
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>>693005008
not cloud, I meant zack saw midgar*
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>>693003974
Nojima already implied time isnt linear in these worlds
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>>693005008
Zack was alive 2 months ago, which was why they sent an army to kill him. And the whispers would have prevented Aerith to be kidnapped 2 months ago which makes Avalanche attacking Shinra tower impossible to happen at the time.
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>>693003113
I said its gone and that's final. Don't you dare question me.
If you disagree, you're a fanboy who will accept anything!!
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>>693005154
It has to be linear since Zack and Cloud both fought Sephiroth Reborn at the same time. The only explanation left is that Zack and Cloud were 2 months late to Midgar in terrierverse and somehow the whispers allowed that.
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>>693003697
Is this the final clerith cope? Nothing in Remake is real because the company is now called Square Enix?
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>>693000796
Still wondering where is the guy that always ask: "What the Lifestream do".
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>>693001131
Because Crisis Core exists. In the OG she didn't wrote anything to him. And get slapped by Tseng, the one who would touch her in Remake.
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>>693005956
That's what I said, they changed it in CC and Remake. And obviously in AC too.
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>>693006104
meanwhile novel that came after CC:
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>>693006173
Why didn't she cure Cloud's geostigma before the movie starts?
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>>692947246
That was always the plan
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>>693001524
Are this point, are the devs aware of the story of FF7 or they just continue to forge bullshit just to troll the audience?
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>>693006282
They are nowhere near the ancient capital in terrierverse.
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>>693003289
You need to get into theorycrafting youtube. Stop caring about the story being "good" or "bad" and watch people talk about the lore for a few hours.
Soon you won't actually care what is happening in the plot anymore and all that matters is what it adds to the lore.

For example Zack showing up in Rebirth is not good for the story, but it IS good for the lore and the theories.
Once you're a fan of FF7 theorycrafting literally everything that happens in the story, no matter what, is good - because it expands the lore. You can apply this to all the FF games and suddenly "bad writing" or "plotholes" simply disappear.
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>>693006235
Why did Nojima call Cloud Aerith's lover?
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>>693005565
>”dont think of them as parallel worlds”
>do it anyway
You’re just making this complicated for yourself for no reason
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>>693006381
Why did Nojima write AC, CC and this? Is this not omni Aerith?
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>>693006173
>meanwhile novel that came after remake
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>>693006547
Aerith calls cloud her lover anon. You can keep misinterpreting scenes and story however you want but that is simply a fact
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>>692947246
After seeing so many threads and discussion about the whole FF7 trilogy story and stuff, i have to say that the whole "multiverse/time travel/alternate timelines" stuff was a mistake, but not because of this stuff itself, but because it muddies any possible discussion about it since fans are so, so connected to the original that they take anything that FF7 remake/rebirth does as time travel or multiverse stuff, when it reality (specially after rebirth) it isnt like this at all. Theres a lot of evidence IN the game and devs quotes that this isnt a multiverse, its all about lifestream, and life and death still plays a role. But apparently fans genuinely dont care and they have already made their decision in remake. This is not a story about bringing back zack and aerith from the death, but denial and not being able to let go of the past, after all these years.
Maybe its devs fault for thinking that what they wanted to present or their ideas were gonna matter, when in reality fans just wanted to see the original ff7 and thats it. They dont care about expanding the original, they dont care about seeing ff7 from a new angle, none of that. It was just replaying ff7 again.
Its soul crushing, really. You have beautiful moments like Aerith talking about how our past doesnt defines us and how we need to let go of it, you have beautiful moments like aerith using these dreams worlds to have one last date with cloud and say goodbye, and moments like cloud denial over aerith death connecting with his denial over zack death, that ALSO connects with the themes of FF7 on what is real and what is fake, but people genuinely dont care because they still think FF7 remake is a sequel and that sephiroth traveled back in time as if this was just chrono trigger.
"the human element is removed" my fucking ass.
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>>693002185
More than SE that continue to give hints about how the romance is in FF7...
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>>693006721
Should she have confessed then in Rebirth?
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>>692997847
Hell yea
Tidus cloud next
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>>693006789
If they just wanted to change the story so radicallly why not just make a new game, with a new story and new characters instead of butcher a classic to appeal to people who aren't even fans of the original?
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>>693006721
Explain this >>693006613
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>>693002604
The best solution.
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>>693001740
>Actual verifiable quote on camera from director vs translated crap from the guardian
i’ll take the one i can confirm myself
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>>693006886
>If they just wanted to change the story so radicallly
They havent. Its built upon the original and reintroduced FF7 themes and story, thats it.
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>>693006827
No save that for part3 obviously
>>693006898
Explain what? I never contested Tifa loving cloud but some poeple seem to have a big problem with Aerith loving him
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this multiverse dog shit is too redditcore for me.
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>>693002772
I hate that Sephiroth is so much famous, when he is just the Cloud-buttpirate with a nice background music set.
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>>693006978
Isn't omni Aerith dead? She was killed by dream Sephiroth
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>>693007186
no it's impossible for omni aerith to die in lifestream
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>>693006978
Aerith only thinks she loves Cloud because of Zack's personality being embedded in Cloud
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>>693002772
He's definitely less scary as a yandere than he was when he was basically a mass shooter that snapped.
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>>693007287
So why did she push Cloud away in the dream? She cannot be killed. Why can't she just call Cloud again? And where was her during the final fight?
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>>693006789
This
It's not multiverse or time travel or alternate dimensions because they don't use those words. They say lifestream. But people are still really unfair to the devs and complain anyway even though it's lifestream, not any of those other things.
There is no valid criticism of the new story, aside from maybe the Dyne scene being a little too over the top. But fans complain anyway because it's not the exact same as the original. It's very sad.
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>>693006381
Nojima wrote a lot of shit. You think his senile mind can keep track of all of them?
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>>693007331
Anon she calls him her lover as omni aerith in lifestream. Even ultimania said she liked him for himself. Your headcanon is pure cope
>>693007442
Because she wanted to give him the white materia that sephiroth was likely after
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>>693007639
Okay so should we just ignore all of them?
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>>693006789
But who was ore Sephiroth?
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>>693007640
He didn't really get the materia since the forest sequence is also another dream
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>>693007505
>It's not multiverse or time travel or alternate dimensions because they don't use those words. They say lifestream
Nope, i say its not a multiverse or time travel because its not a multiverse or time travel. Simple as. You cant just being so reductionist.

>But people are still really unfair to the devs and complain anyway even though it's lifestream, not any of those other things.
> But fans complain anyway because it's not the exact same as the original. It's very sad.
Its not that fans are at fault, either. I think its valid that you just wanted to replay FFVII and thats it.
This was just nobody's fault, just a disconnection between the devs and the fanbase. Maybe the devs could be at fault because they didnt realize that the fans just genuinely dont care what they have to say.
This is not an atlus situation where atlus just creates games and the fans welcome it with their open arms.
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>>693007770
I dunno, when did Cloud and Aerith start dating?
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>>693007897
>you just wanted to replay FFVII
What's your opinion of the players who are fine with them doing a new story, but dislike the new story?
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>>693008074
>What's your opinion of the players who are fine with them doing a new story, but dislike the new story
How would that work with FF7? how do you make a new story that you actually would like?
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>>693007968
Literally after Cloud crashed through the church roof.
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Even sephiroth acknowledged he has it man, I know who you are and this is your most retarded hill to die on
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>>693008146
Why are you saying it like it's impossible? That's what happened to you with Remake, isn't it?
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>>693008150
Nice. That means if I choose Tifa for the golden saucer date it's NTR right?
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>>693008273
>Why are you saying it like it's impossible?
I never said it was impossible, but FF7 remake really isnt a "new story", its more a remake of the original story. Thats it.
As for a new story, i dont even know where to begin. It would have to be like lufia 2 remake, where they genuinely change a lot of shit.
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>>693008397
Okay fine, what is your opinion of the players who are fine with the devs doing a remake of the original story but didn't like the way they went about it
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>>693008582
...i guess thats their opinion and it is fine?
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>>693003203
>Well, now we know he's a demi-god with time travel powers.
? Sephiroth is no different than he always was, a type of spirit haunting the planet.
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>>693008946
But that would mean not everyone who criticizes Remake's story is a purist who is upset they didn't get the exact same story as FF7 told the exact same way again
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>>693003234
>The FF7 novel literally confirms that Cloud and Tifa loved each other as teens in Nibelheim.
You are straight up lying, the novel says the same thing the og always said, cloud had a crush on her but they were never that close. He watched her from far away and that's it.
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>>693001251
Funniest meme born from Rebirth threads.
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>>693009126
I never said that was the case. I was always talking about the average.
Look at this thread, look at twitter, reddit, etc. The ones who whine about it, the majority of them, always lead to "they should have just remastered the game", either by claiming it should have been turn based, the story, or even the graphics.
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>>692947246
>You needn't promise that you'll wait. For i know that iw will find you here.
Hamaguchi is /ourguy/
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>>693009342
And you were doing so well
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>>692997982
cute
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>>693008287
Who cares what happens when you choose the non canon option
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>>693009342
>. The ones who whine about it, the majority of them, always lead to "they should have just remastered the game",
Are you in a parallel world. Must suck to live in this version of events where rebirth is acclaimed and the only place you can pull off this type of shit is here because everywhere else people will call you insane.
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>>693009418
I mean, if you believe this
>>693009126
then fine, you are one of those that actually has a working brain and not an NPC, but you have to agree that you are not the average, like at all.
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>>693009576
I said the "ones who whine", i wasnt talking about the entire discussion about these games.
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I think remake story is different from OG guys
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>>693009576
Even the ones who disliked what remake could've implied with its ending ended up liking Rebirth. It's a nightmare for them.
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>>693009181
Read this and seethe retard! >>693006613
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>>692966707
Based, Cissnei was waitng for Zack taking care of his parents.
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>>693009796
Yeah she realized that she liked him in the last day when he promised to become a super hero, doesnt change the fact they knew nothing about each other.
That's an entire plotpoint in Rebirth, about how Tifa knows nothing about Cloud.
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>>693009342
>they should have just remastered the game
Only clotis say that because they are scared shitless of Aerith getting together with Cloud in part 3
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>>693009707
I liked Remake and Rebirth, I just don't believe everyone who criticizes the remake version of the story is automatically a purist. It's possible to have wanted something new and different but to also dislike what we got.
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>>693009880
>Yeah she realized that she liked him in the last day when he promised to become a super hero, doesnt change the fact they knew nothing about each other.
>That's an entire plotpoint in Rebirth, about how Tifa knows nothing about Cloud.
We have an entire chapter with Tifa going "you loved being left alone" and cloud going "no i did not" and what that illiterate bastard got from it is that they were friends and understood each other since childhood.
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>>693009880
It confirms that according to the writers themselves Tifa and Cloud are supposed to be lovers
And of course Aerith and Zack have been confirmed in dozens of media
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>>693010026
Straight up crafting headcanons lmao
Point the line where it says the devs state that.
Following this logic Cloud is Aerith's lover because the only book that actually calls 2 individuals lovers is lifestream white when it refers to them.
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>>693009181
They retconned in tales of two pasts. Cloud and Tifa were real childhood friends until the bridge incident.
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How do grown men end up becoming shippers who engage in ship war nonsense?
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>>693010152
Autism
And loneliness
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>>693010117
>Following this logic Cloud is Aerith's lover because the only book that actually calls 2 individuals lovers is lifestream white when it refers to them.
They love to use Traces as their bible but ignore Lifestream White, i wonder why...
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>>693010152
>>693010184
based ritual posts
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>>693010117
That means nothing, in Japanese there isn't a clear differentiation between love and like like in English. Just a bad translation.
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>>693009936
Thats fine. Those who liked the games often get lumped together with the "clotis" or "cleriths" or some dumb stupid morons that just likes anything ff7 related,
Those who dislike the games for whatever reason will too get lumped together with the ones that just wanted turn based battle, or those that just wanted the original, etc.
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>>693010148
Even if they played together at some point it was so long ago and so minimal that it made Tifa forget everything about Cloud's personality and preferences, the only thing she knows of him when they were teenagers is "he is a loner" nothing else.
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>>693010269
https://www.romajidesu.com/dictionary/meaning-of-koibito.html
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>>693010269
No, it uses koibito, this is the most romantic word possible because it means lovers in a romantic sense. LOVE BIRDS
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>>693010309
And that she had a crush on him
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>>693010269
You dont even know that? lmaaaaaaaaaaaooooo
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>>693010270
I'm sorry about that. I'm sure there are fans out there who would be happy with whatever they got, but it would be unfair to lump you in with them or shippers or fujos.
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>>693010152
Everyone says autism and loneliness because it's true. They don't offer any other answer.
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>>693010429
In a way traces tried to retcon some elements but still didnt change the overall idea that Tifa absolute misconceptions about how Cloud is and what he likes. At the end of the day the fact they played together with friends when they were 4-5 years old didnt change anything at all if at the point Cloud leaves his village she knows nothing about him.
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>>693010368
>>693010380
>>693010449
Then why is Aerith together with Zack in the lifestream in the CANON movie Advent Children?
>nice samefag in that 3rd post btw
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>>693010184
>>693010537
I guess it really is autism and loneliness. That's pretty sad.
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>>693010580
That movie uses visual elements to represent cloud's feelings you mongoloid, or do you think Aerith is inside a cellphone?
Zack himself cant even keep his form inside the lifestream because he isnt a cetra.
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>>693010584
>>693010537
I'm married and I ship clerith so I can destroy clotis, it's great tbqh
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Aerithchads can't stop winning it seems
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>>693010567
And she still had a crush on him. And she told Aerith this and Yuffie overheard them on the ship.
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>>692966071
>tifa fans are generally stable people
Maybe you should read the insane comments from Tifa fans under the Ever Crisis FF6 collab post https://x.com/FFVII_EC_EN/status/1850371854814363958

How stable is this? >>692974497

If the FF7 devs didn't know how mentally ill and ungrateful western "cloti" fans are, they will know it now and stop caring about them
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>>693010668
The funniest part is how Lifestream White was writen AFTER CC and was re-released multiple times. And Aerith is still refered as Cloud's koibito there. The truth is that for any person who actually knows the canon material saw ZA being buried from far away, they never had a chance in a post FF7 story.

They just did in the softest way possible by having Marlene tell the message.
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>>693010765
You're adding info that simply doesnt add anything to the topic, seems like you got locked, do better next time.
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>>693010668
>That movie uses visual elements to represent cloud's feelings you mongoloid, or do you think Aerith is inside a cellphone?
>Zack himself cant even keep his form inside the lifestream because he isnt a cetra.
Not even Sephiroth can, that's the reason why he's so weird in AC. He's like a devil there.
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>>693010768
Both fanboys are unstable, tifa fans are just more prone to harassment.
But I don't get it. They were saying how good bahamut tifa looks and her summer outfit is better than aeriths, now that aerith got a subjectively better fit it's a problem?
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>>693006824
>clerithfag didn't play any other FFs
Locke and Terra weren't a couple, idiot
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>>693010859
No Aerith refers to Cloud as her koibito. She also didn't talk to him for 2 years because it can't contradict AC.
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>>693010931
Which part of the novel you want screenshotted next?
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>>693011050
The book doesnt have Aerith as narrator, or do you think she says "Me, Aerith, have cloud as my koibito" as a character who keeps refering to herself?

Did you ever read any book? from what i've seen you just have a folder of screenshots of many pages but have no idea of what to understand from them.
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>>693011197
>Did you ever read any book? from what i've seen you just have a folder of screenshots of many pages but have no idea of what to understand from them.


>>693011118
>Which part of the novel you want screenshotted next?


LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOO
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>>693010668
That's why remake is trying to retcon and explain why Zack could exist in AC.
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>>693011197
aerithbros got to cocky...
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>>693010152
Autism and loneliness it seems. I wish they could talk about the gameplay like they do about their retarded dead hooker lore.
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>>693011197
And when again did Aerith protect Cloud? She wasn't there when Cloud was fighting Sephiroth.
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>>693011197
You are coping so hard now I'm actually worried for your mental state. Are you saying that Nojima doesn't really know what Aerith thinks so we can't take Nojima's sentences at face value? Aerith isn't real, she doesn't actually have independent thoughts.
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>>693011356
This doesnt work, the book refers to what aerith thinks and what she does, even sephiroth. The book doesnt say "aerith loves Cloud". It says, "they were lovers".
I know this screenshot because it's a cope one that clotis used because they know how serious that is for them.
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>>693011453
I know I'm just having fun
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>>693011405
>And when again did Aerith protect Cloud? She wasn't there when Cloud was fighting Sephiroth.
???????????????????
She saved the planet lol
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>>693002964
>the whole point of the story is how Cloud and Tifa also were never really close
meanwhile Cloud feels so bad about Tifa getting hurt and falling into a coma that he decides to become a SOLDIER in order to be worthy of her attention
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>>693011450
>You are coping so hard now I'm actually worried for your mental state. Are you saying that Nojima doesn't really know what Aerith thinks so we can't take Nojima's sentences at face value? Aerith isn't real, she doesn't actually have independent thoughts.
Are you an ESL? Because that's not what i said at all, breathe, read the post again and come back here.
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>>693011032
Nta, but if you don't see all the hints now, that in the end of the Remake trilogy, they will give Cloud a happy ending together with Aerith as a romantic couple, then it will hit you as a truck in 3 years.
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They used the term koibito for Tifa as well...
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>>693011450
>Aerith isn't real
Looks like you touched a nerve lmao
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>>693010859
>The funniest part is how Lifestream White was writen AFTER CC and was re-released multiple times. And Aerith is still refered as Cloud's koibito there. The truth is that for any person who actually knows the canon material saw ZA being buried from far away, they never had a chance in a post FF7 story.
I think that's the best detail, Nojima never had plans to make Zerith endgame post CC. They were a thing there, but then he wrote a book where Aerith states how much she loves the other guy and how they are a couple.
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>>693011450
>You are coping so hard now I'm actually worried for your mental state. Are you saying that Nojima doesn't really know what Aerith thinks so we can't take Nojima's sentences at face value? Aerith isn't real, she doesn't actually have independent thoughts.
But what he said is how the narrator is Nojima in the book, and that's why there is nothing as a POV statement, when he uses Koibito he's describing the characters' relationship, not what Aerith thinks of Cloud. I really think the anon who asked if you ever read any book has a point right now.
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>>692947246
Depressed mailman no more
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You know that you can love both girls since they are great, right?
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Koibito means girlfriend or boyfriend. Not the feeling of loving another person.
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>>692947246
Nomura is pushing his luck
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>>693011984
Means couple, as lovebirds. It's the most romantic word possible because there is no open interpretation. Any other japanese word like AI(love) can be used as family or friends. But koibito cannot.
If you use koibito with your family you're in some alabama shit.
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>>693011710
>Aerith states how much she loves the other guy
Aerith doesn't state it, Nojima does.
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>>693011927
yes
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>>693012083
Isnt this even worse? If the author is calling 2 characters a couple that's even worse to deny it. Because if you coped by saying it's just aerith you would even state that's it's one sided. But you cant say that if it's fucking Nojima writing it.
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>>693012183
I think he became a CA after this thread.
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>>693002989
>Tifa shutting up
Cloud knows things he shouldn't if he wasn't there, how is she going to tell him he's wrong when everything but him being there is right
>Ending ambiguos
Then Compilation becomes a thing and it becomes clear what happens several years after the original game
>Jenova or sephiroth in control
doesn't really change how the game flows, either Jenova is simply doing what it does or Sephiroth was corrupted by its influence
>How in the actual fuck does cloud-zack even work
was only an issue before the international release cleared up what exactly happened between the Nibelheim Incident and the beginning of FF7
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>>693012013
>your average cloti fan
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>>693012079
Yeah it's a noun like kareshi or kanojo. But Cloud and Aerith objectively were not dating before she died. And she is dead now even if they did. My argument is that it was worded wrongly, it should Cloud is the person she loved, and that Cloud was her lover.
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Okay guys what is the next EC collab?
VI is kinda out of nowhere no?
IX at least was in line with the remake rumors
What if VI remake at TGA??
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>>693012079
>Means couple, as lovebirds. It's the most romantic word possible because there is no open interpretation. Any other japanese word like AI(love) can be used as family or friends. But koibito cannot.
>If you use koibito with your family you're in some alabama shit.
That's why when sephiroth says that jenova can become those you love (AI) it can be many people, from romantic love to familial love. It works in many ways, but it doesnt if it's koibito because it would need to be your romantic partner.
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>>693012386
Zero chance
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>>693011710
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>>693012358
I think it works because the truth is that if you're playing rebirth in an aerith route they are clearly dating and can be considered romantic partners. The ultimania itself even says how aerith confesses her feelings in the gondola.
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>>693012342
I swear the meltdown over this collab is a glorious saltmine.
Heck I wanted Celes too, since I love celes, but sabin is a badass
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>>693012386
They just want to make at least one FF collab every year, i think. No reason needed
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>>693012512
The truth is that they wanted Celes for pure shipping reasons. But Sabin is cool too. They are just mad because it's just like the ff9 event again.
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>>693012386
ACand DoC now that they have Vincent.
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so is this shipper faggot going to live stream she/theys suicide when troonrith remains dead or not?
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You are JRPG MCswordGuy sleeping cozy in your small village house when suddenly this tomboy wakes up and calls you an sleepyhead

wdyd
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>>693012607
RIP Hama
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>>693012539
Collabs are the place where people will spend the most money so they cant do it constantly. Maybe 3 at most per year. One of them being ff makes sense.
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>>693012476
Do you really think that works in your favour? Lmao
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>>693012607
So salty...
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>>693012512
Tifa has a kamehameha move, and her weapon are usually very strong. The EC Tifa players will like SabinxTifa and thank the devs,but the clotis are insane they care only about if she gets the costume of a main heroine
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>>693012607
He/them will just cope and seethe with obscure GameFAQs posts or some shit. There is no help for he/they.
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>>693012607
Why is it always the trannies who latch on to Aerith? Is it the man jaw?
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>>693012506
They objectively did not date. They were on dates, but not going out/dating. And again, person I like != koibito. It's just the wrong noun used.
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>>693010859
>The funniest part is how Lifestream White was writen AFTER CC and was re-released multiple times. And Aerith is still refered as Cloud's koibito there. The truth is that for any person who actually knows the canon material saw ZA being buried from far away, they never had a chance in a post FF7 story.
>They just did in the softest way possible by having Marlene tell the message.
It's also for them not to have that weird situation where cloud or aerith would need to explain things to Zack. Now he already knows and he will know in the next game from the get go.
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>>693012607
>>693012796
>>693012869
Samefag
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>>693012730
Because there's more liking than just liking and liking?
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Idc about shipper faggotry buy watching the meltdown over the canonical Tifa kiss is the only positive thing about including romance in these games.
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>>693012932
shut up
she he them they xir xem sir fem
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>>693012932
He got angry and went to the usual "you're a tranny" like every schizo goes into when they get pressed.
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>>693012880
Nojima literally used koibito you fucking retard
>going on dates is not dating
Braindead
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>>693012621
i wish she was blonde for this collab. She is cosplaying a blonde character.
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>>693012910
Terrier Zack died. The only living Zack is corgi Zack. Also terrier/corgi Aerith had never met Cloud.
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>>693012607
She/theym got triggered by this post, BIGLY. Look at her/that melty.
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>>693013017
Like, i didnt even reply to that one because...some people need to put aside personal opinions and see things from an objective viewpoint. How the fuck is going into dates not dating and being a type of couple? lol
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>>693012932
You should try calling me Jimbo or Barry next, troon-kun.
YWNBAW.
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>>693013017
They used koibito for Tifa too
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>>693012950
Yea there is liking and there is... koibito liking
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>>693013136
When? i'm asking this one because i know it was never, ever used for Tifa.



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