Rivals of Aether 2 is aIt has theitOrcane.
post the funny fox or else
how do we remove the orcaneis it terminal
There's just something about foxes
>>693164682Go and try
>>693164802*waits menacingly next to water puddle*You know your adhd brain cannot resist appearing at the puddle for the sneaky attack. I totally wont expect it.
>>693164802orcane players do 1 of 3 things at any given moment1. do a funny nair2. do a funny fair3. up tilti can beat all of these, you don't stand a chance kiddo
>>693164953for me? It's bair
>>693165524*whiffs second hit 5 times in a row*
Today I will complain about:>too many melee players playing this game>not enough melee players playing this game>leffen >clairen Please look forward to it.
>>693165726>clairen>>>>>clairen
>>693164523Would you please stop being quirky and just put Rivals of Aether 2 in the goddamn title?
>>693165932what difference does it make subject or body you baby
>>693166093It fancier and feels more official when its in the subject
is there any video that explain the game mecanics ?
>>693166107ah yes an official consistent thread title will not at all get us banished to /vg/
>>693166093Kragg's side b definitely needed 3 hits of super armor. Totally not batshit insane or anything.
>>693166252anon don't be silly, it has infinite hits of super armor
>>693166229FINE!
rate characters from hardest to easiest to pick up and have fun for a new player, we need some info for the newfags.
>>693166252Literally just parry it shitter-kun. That move is slow and extremely telegraphed.
>>693164523>>693112278Dont forget to delete dan's cancer before it eats your 120gb SSD
>>693166093Did you know that if your opponent drops his controller and walks off in the middle of the match, that an optimal punish game would be to waveland on the platform to cover his potential tech options (or lack of getup)?
>>693166296very hard: wrastor, maypulhard: forsburnmedium: loxodont, fleeteasy: zetterburn, kragg, ranno, orcanea chimp could do this: clairen
>>693166421how zetterburn is easyshine cancel wavedash require some execution
>>693166486the question was to pick them up and have fun, not to master themso basically their skill floorzetter has a decent ceiling, but his floor isn't all that demanding
>>693166296>Easy to pick up and have funClairen, Forsburn, Loxodont>Medium to pick up and have funKragg, Ranno, Orcane, Wrastor>Hard to pick up and have funMaypul, Fleet>You probably wont have fun unless you played a spacie or Wolf in some Smash gameZetterburn
>>693166421>maypul harder than forsburn or loxyou're joking, her disjointed strongs with her free second hits is for low IQ monke players
>>693166421Lox is literally fat clairen.
>>693166421>>693166589guys... you are not being very consistent
>>693166663My list (>>693166589) is the difficulty to pick them up and play them and have fun in a non-competitive environment, possibly with friends and definitely not on ranked. My list is not how easy they are to play on ranked or how easy it is to become good with them.
>>693166592picking up maypul is a daunting task for a new player, she's extremely fast and dies easily until you figure out how she plays, plus her specials are weird>>693166610lox requires weird defensive gameplay to win. new players tend to struggle to understand this and try to play him like some sort of scary rushdown character, then they get combo'd for 2 minutes straight and lose, which isn't fun for them
>>693166389but what if i want to up air
>>693166931You're not allowed to do that. Sorry.
bitchinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb54pHnoSKY
>>693166968personally i'm a fan of this onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HePnZ28qgrE
>>693166968I stopped watching as soon as I realized it's all vs Kragg
any good kragg gameplay to watch ?i need to improve my edgeguarding
I want to snuggle with Maypul and Fleet
>2 earth>2 wind>2 water>4 fireWhy? Seems like an odd choice.
>>693167143Kragg is a faggot character. Get rekt and stay rekt.
>>693168337Maypul is already taken by me
>>693164635
Holy fuck I hate playing against Zetterburn, what a fucking nigger character. No other makes me as salty as he does. Fuck off with your shitass hadouken
How is it that every time I fight someone their basic bitch attack always comes out before mine.
did the game die?
>>693164523
>>693170048look, entire population of meleefags and ultimatefags
>>693168463My guess is because the fire clan are all major story characters.Loxodont killing Zetterburn's father and framing Forsburn results in him being the fire emperor.Loxodont being the fire emperor is a huge deal in the bad future where Clairen comes from leading her to time travel. This portion of the story seems to be of greater importance than the Abyss portion.The other characters don't have as much going on, though they're getting fleshed out. Kragg is apparently ancient and has been guarding the wall for an untold amount of time so a very angry legendary pokemon won't get out. Orcane is now also a legendary pokemon, but generally does what he wants. Fleet has a whole game to herself, etc.
>>693170048EU bros... not like this...
What the fuck are you supposed to do in the Loxodont Maypul matchupThis cunt is immune to meatballs by being both the fastest bitch in the game and low profiling every move in existence. She outdisjoints him and smothers him with free combos fuckGive advice NOW
>>693170323don't fight meleefags
>>693164523It's true, this game is for crayon eatersreal men Play RoA 1
>>693170373not reading allat>Orifagof course. Good riddance bitch
tranny game
What are the chances we get absa within a year? No one is clicking with me right now
>>693170739kwabthe reviews are pretty true all in all, this one is just funny
it's trueAlso the monetization is pawsitively jewish
>>693171435Considering all characters and stages will be free, the monetization is fine. Unless you genuinely believe they could support their 10-year plan on the initial $30 people pay, then you're as retarded as you are broke; not even in your wildest utopia would that be remotely possible.
>>693169807Dude his hadouken is so slow and reactable in neutral. Just parry it.
How does rivals 2 feel in comparison to slap city which is my favorite plat fighter to play?
>>693170373tldr this retard was dash attacking people at 0% for 40 hours and wrote a bad review about it
>>693164523fuck you and your fucking bubbles
>>693171031>No one is clicking with me right nowi can't tell if this applies to me or if i'm just a mad baby who sucks shit and keeps getting knocked down to gold. i really want to play as absa now even though i barely touched her.
>playing FFA / teams with friends>pick clairen>the amount of seethe in the lobby increases by ~300%>forced to stop playing her, otherwise the lobby will dissolvei don't even play her often, it's just funny how hard she makes people seethe
>>693166252Literally just parry it, it's the easiest move to parry in the entire game outside of Zetterburn's side B.
>>693166296European Extreme: Maypul, WrastorExtreme: ForsburnHard: Loxodont if you're not in moist towelette MMRNormal: Fleet, LoxodontEasy: Kragg, Zetterburn, OrcaneVery Easy: Ranno, Clairen
>>693167506stango, AKA "the wall between man and god" on steam. don't know if he streams, but he's a well-known player.
>>693172567Clairen is clunky as fuck, I have no idea how to play her. I feel like I'm steering a tank when I try to play her.
>>693171963Feels like shit. Stick with Slap City, it's the fucking king and will never be topped.
>>693172960>will never be topped.more like "will never be played"!
Arcade is so fucking scummy, I'm attacking the AI and it's just ignores my hits and hits me through them.
>>693173418Yeah. Hilarious thing is you can do it too by DIing down when you get hit by a weak attack
>>693174084literally all i want to do is play ranked without seeing the numberjust let me hide the fucking number
>>693174418i agree
They need to buff Fleet
I need more fluffy girls, when's Absa coming?Is she gonna be hard to play?
>>693175878She's a little tricky but not as hard as Wrastor.
>>693175942Bro I'm a newfag, I tried playing Maypul but she's so fast most often than not I just throw myself into the chasm
Whens the first dlc character coming?
anons did something happen with the servers? I was able to play constantly the past few days, but this morning when I check regional preferences in recommended there's none for me, and I can only choose from a bunch of server with over 100 ping but it was never like this before.
>>693176170you mean freemium character
>>693175942He knows Aikawa? neat!
>>693176175My server preferences are fine.
>>693173171The masses rarely appreciate truly deep art
>>693176372idk but that's ranked matchmaking you can tell by their ranks being visible
>>693164523i luv orcane when i'm not fighitn him
>>693166296>good choice for beginnersRanno, Clairen, Zetter>need to do a little thinkingKragg, Orcane, Maypul>impossible for new players to do well withForsburn, Fleet, Wrastor
>>693177940Is Maypul really doable for a newfag? I really like her design but I constantly yeet myself to my death and have a hard time managing her spastic energy
>>693177940how wrastor is that complexhe has literally some easy kill confirm
>>693178271Yeah. You have huge normals and smashes. Shorthop nairs and fairs are really good and as long as you can remember to side b to wall then up b, you're going to do fine. Tether combos can come later.>>693179013His air smashes are unconventional and he focuses on edgeguarding so a new player probably won't be able to pick up on how busted the character actually is. Also he's really light so they'd die a lot faster than the other characters.
>>693177940I shouldn't play Fors since I'm a dog shit bronzie, but he's just too cool I can't stay away
>>693164523new patch apparently. probably just a bug fix.
>>693164523Morality tier list. I didn't make this so don't yell at me if you don't like it.
>>693180990Kek
>>693183796Reddit tier list. only correct tiers are tragic hero and protector of the land
>>693181964new patch added blind pick and character preview on map select screen.
WHEN'S SNEK
>>693189470year 3 if you’re lucky
so was the release a succes?
>>693191140not good not terrible
>>693191140yeah I'd say its good especially for a fighting game.
Ranked Zetterburns move like a comedy skit involving a clown on an oil slick without any acknowledgement that the other player is there hitting them with attacks. I'm trying to learn the fucking game with you, and you're flying down to the blast zone by yourself fighting your imagination's version of Cody Schwabb in a drunk Melee afterparty. I am begging you man
Goat lady.
>>693193948I looked her up on e6 and the results were horrible.
>>693194405You shouldn't do things like that to yourself.
>>693166589>Medium to pick up and have fun>Orcane, Wrastor>>Hard to pick up and have fun>Fleet
>>693170323Maypul is just a retarded character. I hated this cunt in Rivals 1 and I hate her just as much in 2.
>>693171805Yeah, but did they HAVE to make certain skins Bucks only? whilst having TONS of shit to buy for a large networth? whilst only giving away 250, bucks per character for a total of 2500? that's only enough for Slasher Clairen and one other Skin.Pretty fucking bad if you ask me. They say they'll give bucks for free later, but by how much can we trust? it's really quite money grubbing.
>>693172960>>693173171Slap City is the Citizen Kane of platform fighters
>>693196065Events are gonna be the main source of bucks dummy, and probably ranked rewards later too
i dont deserve any of my losses
IT'S NOT MY L!
>>693196481Yeah, but how many? Bc the real main source is buyin' em'.If it's less than 500 it's Scummy jewish trash. 500 minimum since all the skins cost 1000, should be 1000 during events but I don't have faith.Also skins still cost buck only, unless they change it, it's bagel all the way.
i hate how orcane gets to ignore cc without even realize theyre ignoring it because the option they would pick anyways invalidates it.
>leffen close to getting rank 1 again on new account and only using zetterburnbros?
>>693196961le bounce heheI literally need to grind orcane bc he's so free it's unrealThey really need to rework the neutral in this game. It's so fucking ass compared to 1 and stands to be improved over melee.
>>693197412?
>>693197603so close
>>693194532Yes.
>>693175776You dont play the game
>>693171031sorry anon, Olympia and Hodan first
>>693197412Shouldnt that just show you what a joke it is? Are you stupid?
>>693164523I fucking hate this fish faggot so fucking much it is unreal, if you play him you should DIE
>>693197603AAAAAAAAAA HE'S SMURFING OMG I HAAAATTEEE HIIIMM AAAGHHHH
orcane player try not to use fair for more than 5 seconds challenge (impossible)
>>693174084I was today years old when I realized you can't crouch cancel out of a dash's start upkept getting dash attack despite knowing for a fact I input down
>>693174084>elo hellit's 1v1
>>693174084gold should be heavy mains gatekeeping noobs from gold/plat
rivals 2 releasing immediately killed the smash general on /vg/. i hope you fags are happy. >>>/vg/500108363
>>693198964I noticed that, it was funny
>>693198964wait people still play that game?
>>693199341Apparently not.
>>693198359shouldn't you be at work for the next donation?
>>693199708Making fun of haters doesn't require you to be a fan of the underlying subject matter. I don't like Leffen. No one does. It's just funny (and sad) that there are people obsessed with hating him.
I'M NOT A LEFFEN FAN I'LL JUST LASH OUT AGAINST HIS "HATERS" WHENEVER I CAN!
>>693200028>nobody hates on him in the thread>randomly start talking about all the haters>heh, yeah, they're obsessedmost self aware 4channer
Had a funni win screen and decided to make something out of it for you guys,
>>693200172>>693200219>I'm not a Leffen fan, I just make fun of his obsessed haters who post in this thread daily whenever a perfect opportunity arisesYes.
>>693194405one of my arts is there, don't be mean :(
>>693200402
>>693200440yiff in hell, dogfucker
>>693200548I think you are projecting
>>693200532>I'm going to bitch about Leffen every single thread>also I'm going to post this image every single threadDon't tucker yourself out, champ.
>>693200669I can only hope you're trolling and not severely delusional
>get into match>get 3 and 2 Stocked multiple sets>switch to Fleet>it's as if they never played the game beforewhat is this? it happens with Lox too. I am getting destroyed every which way by a player and then switch and it's like they're a first timer suddenly. I get Lox is kind of pub stompy, but what gives with Fleet?
>>693200440i have like 10 of them faved, maybe you were one of the 10
>>693200791same with Forsburn, the cloud and clone must be really fucking with them.I was fighting Ranno with Orcane and got raped, changed to Forsburn and suddenly he didn't know wtf was happening
>>693200791>Lox is kind of pub stompywhat the hell are you talkin about lox is mid at any elo
>>693196886>>693196065you're getting free skins, even the opportunity to get premium currency, and you're swimming in gold, and ur getting free gameplay content stop whining.
stop dooming
You can parry Orcane's bubbles.
>>693196065don't you get bucks every 10 levels even past level 50
>>693203509nta but no you only get bux up to level 50 per characters.For a total 2500.You get more coins after level 50 though.
>>693196065you just sound like a poorfag who's mad that all the skins aren't $1. The game's monetization is absurdly generous as is.
>>693202418>lox is mid at any eloLow to mid players have 0 idea about how to deal with his tilts, he's really really good at that level
>look up some roa1 tournaments>all tranniesjesus
I have an octogate pad. Does this game have omnidirectional shit or am i good to go with a hori fighting game commander?
>>693206441I really don't understand why trannies have top level representation in all video games. Trannyism really isn't as common as people want you to believe, they're just overly represented in areas that garner attention.
>>693206606you'll be fine
>>693198469He's literally not paying attention to what you're doing at all kek
>>693206606Bruh youre gonna want a second stick
>>693208424is it over before it even began?
>>693204562Didnt read a single word from this entire conversation but fuck you faggot. I backed this game, Dan got my money, Im not paying for more skins. And the coin/bucks grind is absolutely fucked up. Its like 18k for pallettes when they actually show up in the shop for the character you want. Getting every single character to level 50 only gets you 2.5 premium (1k) skins.
>>693208674>Im not paying for more skinsthen don't
>>693208982Yeah. I wont
Next character is etalusScreenshot this
>>693198964That place has a horrendous track record like most nintendo based vg threads. Let it die for good. Absolute garbage general.
any minute nowhope this controller is as good as I've heard
>>693209204Etalus and absa are basically locks for the next 2. Maybe next 3 and theyll throw in a surprise in the middle to mix it up.
>>693209336>>693209204I need my karate mouse
>>693209298I think this is what marlon uses the back buttons for even more dedicated buttons is huge
Sex with Clairen
>>693209398>I think this is what marlon useswe're so backIdk If I'll actually use the back buttons, but if I can get used to them they do seem handymy old switch pro controller was on its last legs with the right bumper needing to be pressed extra hard and the left stick being fucked in general
Fighting fast characters with rollback shitting itself is utter cancer
>>693209298Hate the sticks on this thing, they're accurate but they really fuck up the surface of my thumbs. Tbf though that could just be because I only use the controller a few times a month, it's very dusty.
The worst thing about this game is that it's too easy.Mang0 and marlon talk about it a bit but It is simply too easy to circle camp and run away from opponents in this game. This isn't something UNIQUE to high level rivals, but it is something uniquely EASY to it.A six frame buffer on movement alone just makes dash dancing, pivots, turnarounds, back dashes, etc, way too easy.The game becomes way too noncommittal in the higher ELOs.Plat east NA and Diamond/Masters else where for example.There is no reason not to circle camp/ weave if you're in the lead.There is no reason to approach.It is incredibly lame how much you can just time people.There are means of aggression that are accessible, but nothing that is as easy as plat camping or just not engaging.This isn't even considering what's going on with shields. Really hope they tune down the buffer or the frame data against shields.
Sex with Maypul
>>693210349Rly? I used it for a good amount of hours on pc games and was fine
>>693210538I just want them to nerf recoveries or to shrink the stage blast zones. There'd be a lot more profit in approaching if you could actually kill people when you get them off stage.
>>693210349wonder if there's any stick caps you could buy to make it better
>>693210538Another problem is shield drops. No block stun if the opponent is on a platform definitely makes platform camping a lot stronger.
Shields are too strong and should break in half the time they take currently
>>693211189How about the take shields out so it's all footsies and we have less autism to track
cc is too strong in this game. if i dair you into the ground as maypul at 40% it should combo into grab but it doesnt because cc is much stronger in this game.
>>693211189Shield poking is a necessary evil
>>693211189>>693211516Yeah, the issue with shields is that there is no shield poking. They are very powerful, and also there is no shield poke.
>>693211189don't think I've seen a shield break yet
>be gold shitter >play match >lose first two stocks due to being smacked around, SDing, or some other shit. >opponent still has three stocks >fight tooth and nail, opponent is probably sandbagging at this point, make it to last stock, but end up losing.>"Well, I tried, onto the next set.">Gain 2-stock lead on opponent. >Opponent just runs off stage or rage quits. I get that some people just give up to move onto the next game or set, but I run into these types of players more often than not. You'll never have comebacks if you don't try for them.
>>693212476>be gold shitterif you are above bronze you can't meme yourself a shitter.Fall down if you want that privilege, faggot
>>693198964Good, that place has sucked for years
>>693210963This shit is insane, but lucky not everyone knows to do it yet. I fought a Loxodont the other day who spent half of the match on platform sitting in shield and either shield drop fairing or uairing as soon as I approached. It was simply unpunishable. I probably should have been trying to empty land into a grab, but he could have punished that with a preemptive shield drop or just a utilt.
genuinely what is it with smashers and only playing ranked?
>>693212476is that NA gold? make a guide on how to play
>>693213326Shut up bitch
>>693212175I get them consistently with Kragg by predicting when people are scared. Even Lox struggles to break shields except with charged meatball under platform, though.
HOW DO I TILT CONSISTENTLY FEEL LIKE IM LOSING BECAUSE OF THE FUCKING DASH ATTACKS REAL ACTUAL APPLICABLE ADVICE PLEASE
>>693212476Might have been me. I had to give up on a set when I was at last stock today because my controller started having problems. I couldn't run one direction and I couldn't execute anything with the right inputs, probably from a miscalibration that happened when it came unplugged earlier. Felt bad but it definitely wasn't a fulfilling or learnable set for my opponent.
>>693213478thats not an answer
>>693213549You need to cancel the dash.1. Crouch briefly before tilting2. Wavedash before tilting3. Learn to baby dash semiconsistently
>>693164523Clairen makes me want to rope honestlyt. Fleet
>>693213671side note, you can't crouch cancel your dash during the start up of it
>>693212476I run off the stage to rq a few times but it's mainly because I was frustrated due to sding again or dying at 0, I simply don't want to play anymore as a result
>>693213549Go into training and TRAIN. Do turnaround ftilts over and over again, and don't press the stick all the way, just halfway. Only go at the speed you are able to successfully perform the tilt. Continue going faster until you can do it fast enough for your satisfaction.
>>693213326>competitive players want to play the competitive game mode where people don't quit as soon as it's clear you're better than themCasual can be fun, but the matches are less consistent in quality. Also people will literally just quit out of teams / FFA matches if they die, which instantly ends the match and bricks the lobby. I don't have fun sandbagging against people in casual outside of learning new characters.
>>693213938im talking about friendlies
Orcane is such a fucking nigger, especially CPU. Fuck the bubbles
>>693213767You and everyone else. I'm not even good with her, but picking her in my friends' lobbies produces a lot of salt because her gimmick is incredibly tilting.
>>693214002They do play them. Streamers primarily play ranked because it's more entertaining "content", usually.
So is there no counterplay to Maypul's seed? Is it seriously just "never get hit by the extremely noncommittal projectile and be near the top of the screen"? Isn't there an air parry in this game? I feel like I did it once and never again. That might work.
I swear to fucking god Zetterburn does side B instead of up B one more fucking time I will kill someone
>>693214413yes>Isn't there an air parry in this game?no, but you're able to destroy the seed with disjoints technically
>>693214614>with disjointsit's rannover
>>693214140clairen's gimmick is pure, honest fundamentals
>>693214413Doesn't grabbing maypul remove seed?
bullying fleet offstage is cathartic after how much she does it to everyone else
How the fuck do I get thrown out of the bounds at like 20% with a stun that prevents me from recovering? How the fuck does this game work.
>>693213767when people say Fleet is good but has weird matchups it's Clairen they're talking about
>>693214914block her strongs also removes it I think
>>693215121there is no such mechanic so unless you post a replay we have no idea what you're talking about
>>693214413She should have to reapply it now and then, or have a slight delay with a telegraphing sound before she throws. Wrastor doesn't get a free ride anymore so neither should Maypul.
FellasI'm bronze
>>693215761Same, I even was stone briefly. There's no fucking way most people in "beginner" bracket is a beginner.
>>693215853Yeah either it wasn't actually implemented because of ranked being a last minute addition or not enough time has passed for everyone to calibrate correctly
>>693215761based
Doing this again. Please vote I am simply interested https://poal.me/kn72l
>>693209204One of the devs on an Alpharad stream said tongue-in-cheek "let's just say winter is coming" when asked about future content so it's 100% Etalus first
>>693215647It's fucking crazy that it never expires>Ranno's poison stacks disappear if you hit him, and don't do anything if you're not spamming in neutral>Fleet's empowered arrows can be knocked back to her if you're hit or simply blocked or dodged>Zetterburn's burn only lasts a few seconds, and his hadoken is the easiest projectile to parry in the game>Loxodont's meatball can be deflected with an attack>Wrastor's tornado can be baited out>Orcane's bubbles can be parried, and his up B teleport is punishable>Kragg's rock can be used against him, and his recovery can be exploited depending on the matchup>Forsburn's smoke can be cleared extremely easily by many characters, and his gimmick is very interactiveIt's no coincidence that Clairen and Maypul, the two characters with non-interactive gimmicks, are arguably the two most hated characters in the game. People also hate Zetterburn's kill grab for similar reasons, even though it isn't as bad. The gimmicks are so strong in this game that it needs to at least FEEL like there's counterplay that the opposing player can practice and perform, otherwise it isn't fun.
>>693216383>no PSASBRhow dare you exclude my extremely popular and world-renowned platform fighter from a dozen years ago
Which rival has the tightest pussy?
>>693217308loxodont
What is this?
>>693217660all the places my penis can hit
>>693217660she unironically needs itone of the weaker characters right now
>>693214860This.
Maypul is a bullshit dishonest character.
Hummina hummina am I right fellow gamers?
>>693217976you mean Orcane
>>693217990
>>693217660Reminder that non tipper hitbox has a higher priority than the tipper hitbox so you got to ignore the space where they overlap
>>693216383My pipeline was> Brawl -> PM -> MeleeI tried tr4sh, hated it. I tried Ultimate irl, thought it was okay, bought it, played it online, and fucking hated it because it's practically unplayable online, and the base game isn't that good either.
>>693217660They should unironically buff her tippers, but in exchange remove them from ever hitting from the backswings. Almost every tipper I've been on the receiving end of has been on the backswing/recovery animation. That needs to go.
>>693218019Orcane is more honest than Maypul. Maypul has the range of fleet, a more bulltshit mechanic than Clarien's tipper, and is as fast as Ranno. She has to faults and needs tweaking.
>>693217660Clairen is fine. She's even a bit weak compared to the other bullshit that characters have. The fact that she is complained about so often proves that the average player is a shitter. If I were to "fix" Clairen, I would just turn her into Marth:>hitboxes now exactly match the graphic in game>tipper is *only* the blue part of the graphic, not the white part>the sour spots do not stun, but they have more hitstun on them so that you can combo with the sour spots easier>tippers have more knockback and kill power than they currently have>can Fsmash through the average stage platform as a tech chaseIf you make these changes, it will "fix" the tipper bitching, and it will also turn her into an actually good character instead of just a kinda mid one
>>693218603wallah someone send this to danny boy
>>693218603She is complained about because her design implies she is built for spacing and reward smart players with high damage; but in practice she is a mash and pray character. No one likes sitting in a 10 second hit stun because your opponent hit you with the backswing of her nair on accident and is rewarded with an easy 60% combo/kill.I also find it funny we're now downplaying Clarien, is solid all-rounder with 3 bad matchups.
>>693219047>I also find it funny we're now downplaying Clarien, is solid all-rounder with 3 bad matchups. https://x.com/kusiwastaken/status/1850620876590322074https://steamcommunity.com/stats/2217000/leaderboards/14800950?sr=1We're not "downplaying" anything, we're "spitting facts"
>>693215761I'll be headed there soon at this rateLow/mid gold and I feel like I'm losing more games than winning, opponents feel so sweaty>>693216383I played Melee as a kid, then Brawl and Smash 4, never really competitively in any. I also played Rivals 1 at launch but never really got into it much
>>693219178Kusi has changed his tier list 3 times in the past 10 days. We watched in real time how Forsburn was considered bad to now good despite very minimal changes from Demo to Release. One (1) person's opinion is not absolute. Leffen, Void, CakeAssault all view Clarien highly and have her on par with Zetter.You are absolutely downplaying her, because that seems to be the trend on /v/. Downplay your main and plug your ears.
>>693164523i really like the game but half the roster is just plain unfun to play against. Its like they deliberately tried to make the most annoying characters possible. If you play Kragg, Fleet, or maypul, i can only assume you hate having fun.
>>693219402>We watched in real time how Forsburn was considered bad to now good despite very minimal changes from Demo to ReleaseI find if funny we're now downplaying the fact that a character got buffs and thus changed spots on people's tierlists. >Downplay your main and plug your ears.I don't main Clairen. I wanted to, but she's not really that great compared to the other characters. The thing that actually happens in these threads is non stop bitching about getting hit by tippers that don't even kill.
>>693219047>She is complained about because her design implies she is built for spacing and reward smart players with high damage; but in practice she is a mash and pray character.i believe this is what makes me so frustrated against heri get a fair on my lox? i can reset into a grab maybeshe gets an accidental tipper on her fair on my lox? im guarenteed to lose 70% despite how I DI
>>693219597for me the tipper hit stun just needs to get lowered even more, it completely ruins the flow of the match, often locking you in a combo that seems to last 45 seconds
>>693219894up the damage, reduce the hitstun and id be all over it
>>693219178Rivals 1 boomers are clutching maypul and wrastor too hard. They dont seem that good any more
>>693220052wrastor is unironically doodoo, contender for worst character in the game
>>693219894>for me the tipper hit stun just needs to get lowered even more, it completely ruins the flow of the match,If the tipper stun gets lowered, then she does not have a gimmick or an identity. If the tipper stun gets lowered, she will have even less combo power, and thus even less kill power. If I had it my way, I'd literally just make her Marth, but if you had it your way, she'd be Roy. There's gotta be a happy medium somewhere.
did they patch banning stages or something in casual or am I tripping
>>693219928and change the tipper sound effect on slasher clairen and future non-light saber clairens
>>693220118I think if wrastor and maypul arent seen in the top 4 of LMMM this weekend they cant be considered elder god s+++ tier any more
>>693164523Unofficial Patch NotesBGM in break the targetsRemoved ability to quit from menu in FFACharacters no longer shown on character select screen in rankedCharacters now shown on stage select screen in rankedRemoved banning stages on casualAdded a limit to the number of saved replays (128 replays, same as RoA1)Casual 1v1 is a random first stage and then the loser picks the next stage each gameCasual FFA is a random stage every timeAdded a "ding" when you get matched onlineThe main menu now has both the release main menu theme, and demo main menu theme. The latter just cuts abruptly, then 10 seconds of dead air, then switch. This extends to the character select versionsFixed level 3 taunts/left d-pad taunts
>>693217660tranny game
>>693220601>Characters no longer shown on character select screen in rankedBad change
>>693214860>>693217923>>693214140it would be pure and honest if the devs nerf the size of her tipper hitbox
>>693220670t. found the schizophrenic counter pickermore like based change
>just training vs bots, doesn't play online matches>says he will "go back to usa" in a week and will play ranked then>doesn't want to tell where he isbros where is he
>>693220685If you nerf her tipper, you have to give her something else in return, like more knockback.
>>693220784I refuse to play Lox against Clarien, worse MU in the entire game. No fun.
Need Fors advice for a gold rank in the 900s. I already know to use my clones aggressively for shield pressure and edge guarding. Other than that I don't really know what I'm doing wrong. I already have tech skill and have the basics of movement and stuff down from playing melee for like a decade. I absolutely believe in this character but I'm just totally shit at this game for some reason. Might just be because I'm playing ranked in NA north east which is the hardest region by a thousand miles.>connect with Canada Marlon's scene>connect with PA/ BostonCake's scene >connect with NYThe most concentrated area of hardcore rivals 1 playersShit is so comically fucked.
>>693220983skill issue, have confidence in your character shitter
>>693220861south africa for some unknown reason
>>693221134are you making things up or is it actually south africa?he said before on stream that he didn't want to say where he is. lol, it just sounds so weird.
>>693221049No. Counter Picking is a valid strategy in fighting games, removal of is it catering to shitters.There is zero fun in fighting a 9-1 match up. Clariens can fight my Orcane instead.
>>693220861>>693221134Isn't it South Africa because someone scammed m2k, ran off with all his money, bought some farm land in South Africa that isn't turning a profit, and m2k can't go anywhere other than South Africa cuz the schizo who robbed him took all the money there?
>>693221236>>693220861This is gonna sound mean/ weird, but M2K has always had shady handlers that take care of his housing and personal life because he's autistic. I can only imagine how fucked they are if they sent him to South Africa.
>>693220951What is mango doing with the bunny?
>>693221294huh? In what modern fighting game do you see what your opponent is picking
>>693221236He opened Twitter on stream and the local trending tab read "trending in south Africa"
>>693221294>>693221294>Counter Picking is a valid strategy in fighting gamesName 1 fighting game that has counter picking. SF6 doesn't have it, Strive doesn't have it, Tekken doesn't have it. This isn't a moba. First round counter picking is dumb.
>>693221449he was very drunk and talking about lola bunny and judy hopps being characters he'd like to fuckalso showed judy's feet
>>693221415>>693221454i guess it makes sense that he wouldn't be able to find games with reasonable ping there
>>693221453Do you not go to locals?
>>693221625you moved that goalpost real quickthere will still be counterpicking at locals, but we're talking about a change that only affects onlineand no fighting game lets you counterpick online
>>693221613That's my GOAT
You can counter pick game 2 if you feel like you need to
>>693221727>moves the goalpost>accuses me of moving itok
>>693218410What's the worst map in the game and why is it Hodojo?
>>693214860Clairen's gimmick is that she hits sourspots sometimes
>>693220983Wtf do you mean that matchup is even, his nightmare matchup is Fleet
>>693221875you'd be more likable and well adjusted if you had the capacity to admit being wrong
>>693221890The worst map? Three way tie with Hyperborean Harbor, Fire Capital, and Air Armada. They are so bad they actually ruin the game. At least with melee the only game ruining stage was FD.
>>693222035irony
>>693217660>Devs make a "tipper character">the entire sword is a tip??????????
>>693222370>>693218098
Fleet beans
>>693218603If I had to change things about her, besides the hixboxes matching the graphics better, would be to improve the reward on some of her moves massively. Side B sucks as an attack. How can you make a move look so fucking cool, but make it relatively weak? Even as a parry punish it's not that good because you can just charge Dsmash. Up B should also be better, partially because even a tipper hit isn't very good. I don't know, it sounds retarded but I want there to be a reason to go full balls to the wall and try to land a tipper Up B to kill people off the top blastzone.
>>693222447Thanks Clarien Downplayer.
>>693222649all in a day's work
>>693222596If I had to fix her, I'd remove the sword. Give her two guns and increase her breast size by about 300%-400%Also add a clothing damage system so she can show her tittys at 70%+ HP.
>state a fact>>>"""downplaying"""
does changing your steam name also change your in game name
Clairen's the most picked character in Rivals 1 but I don't see anyone of note playing her now.Weird.
>>693224013sweats are all on the zettertrain right now
>>693223680Yes
Good that Clairen is black, it reinforced how much of a fucking NIGGER she is
>win a bunch>losing streak>repeat ad infinitumGuess I have to get comfy in bronze
>>693224013Statistically the most picked is Kragg
>>693224304>chuds playing this gameThe level of cognitive dissonance is off the charts. Might as well be a straight guy that fucks men.
Can someone explain why in the everloving fuck does Forsburn smoke does not show outline for him? Why is it affecting me as well?
>>693224442In 2?Or in 1?Cause in 1 most ranked players played Clarien, and there was a survey and it was mostly clarien as well.
>>693224490Because that would make it useless in local battles?
>>6932245392, based on Steam achievements showing who has characters at level 20, 1.5% of players have Kragg, 1.2% have Clairen
>>693224457Go back to X
>>693224731That makes sense he's decently pick up and play.While Clarien was specifically that in 1.
>>693224570ok then have it disabled for local and active for online??What's the fucking issue here?
>>693224818>separate game states for online and offlineOh anon
>>693224967>literally 1 changeoh no the world is ending
>>693214413>>693216993Parry an attack or block one of her smashes. It’s less crucial at higher levels of play, but for beginners and mid level players her UpB is her ability to survive being offstage. Having the seed suddenly wear off, especially while you’re offstage, would be horrible. Also, a tether when you’re near the blast zone isn’t an automatic death sentence or anything.
How do I deal with passive reactionary players? They always dash out, and punish anything i through out with a dash in grab
>>693225850Stray hits, try not to commit. Make them shield you, go for a grab, or try to out space them yourself.Learn how to dash dance out and in reach.
>>693225850Hard to say without knowing your character. Some characters have trouble approaching more than others. Generally speaking, if they are constantly dashing back, instead of attacking when you get close then just aim your attacks behind where they are currently.
>>693226039lox
>>693225850You call them a pussy ass bitch after the match.
>>693226067Lox needs to force people to approach him, he's generally not good at doing it himself. Fling meatballs and hit them in weird ways. Throw out a wall of forward airs to discourage sudden approaches. Neutral airs to catch them when you think they're coming. Fake a jump attack only to land and grab or side special, if they like shielding a lot. Slowly buzzsaw in their direction with short hop neutral airs otherwise.
>>693225315its about parity retard-kun
>>693220601You dont need to remove stage bans. Just add the ability to skip bans and i guarantee you most people would
>>693226486tried that, they just responded "you mad?" and I had no response without sounding mad
Why do people taunt for only the biggest skill differences online? It's like picking on a retarded person (me).
>>693210538Just make every stage 30% smaller
>>693210963Just straight up remove shield dropping. If you get caught defending on a platform you deserve to be punished hard unless you can find a clever way out
How do I shield drop?
>>693225534>Also, a tether when you’re near the blast zone isn’t an automatic death sentence or anythingIt kills like 100% of the time off the top
>>693216383Where the fuck is the Brawl option?
>>693227337Nooo
>>693227550Hit down and to the left/right diagonally while shielding on a platform.
>>693227797Can I immediately nair or something afterwards
I don't understand shield droppingit's hitting shield then diagonal to drop through a platform right? what makes it better than just dropping normally
>>693227895faster
>>693227868Pretty quickly yeah.
I want to main Maypul so bad but I'm dogshit with her. What do?
>>693227895you can punish out of shield and shield drop while dashing
>>693228258the same thing as me and fleetyou keep practicing
>>693228258That didn't stop anyone else from maining her
>>693228321for some inane reason i'm alright with Zetterburn and Frosburn... I WANT TO PLAY CUTE FLUFFY GIRLS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>693220601>Removed ability to quit from menu in FFAThank fuck, I can finally play FFA
>>693221023Are you coming from rivals? If not you'll need to learn a couple nonobvious pieces of tech for Fors>dropping through plat immediately ofter dodging gives a horizontal boost. Really good with nair or instant doublejump >Babydash jab>Down air is the best forward air in the game, nair->dair/fair->dair will carry offstage and kill>Dair sweetspot is safe on shield >Fsmash 1 -> jab/grab >Usmash 1 -> utilt (loop this) >Hitfall nair 1/2 is a mixuo that either sends in front (and down) or behind. Hitfall 2 -> dtilt usually autospaces for the tipper, hitfall 1 leads into ustrong 1, utilt, reverse ftilt, turnaround fair, turnaround hitfall nair 1 again for loopsIf you are coming from rivals 1, here's some major changes:>Super clone is way better than in 1, you can completely blend opponents with doubles combos using it. It also allows for crazy neutral. E.g. super clone -> teleport towards opponent as they attack the clone -> smoke cancel due to the generous smoke created -> dstrong/grab/whatever>Dtilt has a tipper and sourspot now, much less consistent than in 1 but still a decent move. Unsafe on plat against opponents with big shielddrop fairs>It's better to have smoke or super clone out than it is to keep the charges for combust. Combust is not strong enough and you're playing with half a neutral kit if you keep it. Only use it when edgeguarding and you have time to inhale
>>693228731Dropping through plat immediately after DASHING not dodging, my badSuper important, people called Fors "platboost aerial the character" in 1 because it was so important for his neutral
>>693222447This is obvious, the tipper hitbox is still generous
>>693164523saw this game a while ago, is it out?I like the lil whale guy
>>693228731Oh yeah also stall above the opponent in smoke and either drop down with ff dair or pester them with clones. You can stay up there for a really long time using stalling moves (nspecial, fspecial, uspecial smoke cancel, airdodge)
Horde of Zetterburns on hard with Maypul is fucking suffering, can't see shit and they eat me with the passive fire....
>>693228907yeah it's doing pretty well for a fighting game, but the stable population won't really be seen for a month at least
>>693228907Yes$30, all future content is freeThe whale is for crackheads
>>693228956get on a platform spam down smash
>>693228959>>693228967Sick, wishlisted. Might buy this weekend if I feel like it
>>693228956Who is Maypul's worst MU so I can counterpick the stupid fucking mosquito
Post ranks
>>693229253Post character
>>693229334Clairen
>>6932293421728 is on par with 511 w/ anyone else
>tfw you land the absolute-shitter-killer hadouken on someone in GoldDIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS THERE DID YOU
>>693229420Pretty fun in FFA too
>play Maypul>fuck myself off the stageevery time, every turn
>>693229420the hu-what now
>>693229401I cannot deny this
>>693229420I hate Ranno so god damn much
>>693206697>I really don't understand why trannies have top level representation in all video games.Trannies aren't materializing out of thin air. They were regular autists/weirdos/nerds at one point.
>>693228731>>693228808>>693228945I never played Rivals 1. Everything you said is completely new to me.>platboost aerialReally interested in seeing the applications of this.Also is the meta not to try to always have 2 charges of smoke so you can be flexible with your options? Like if you absolutely fuck someone up with a combo and send them off stage you can quickly get your last charge and set up and edge guard with combust and other stuff like that?
>>693229627Play a disjoint character
>>693229534Don't worry about it.
>>693229627It's ok, literally everyone who doesn't main Ranno or isn't sexually attracted to frogs also hates him. Modern Controls ass character.
>>693229804i don't main ranno and think he's the most balanced character in the game
>>693172960>>693196189That's a weird way to say Fraymakers
>>693229660Yes two charges is optimal. But also don't underestimate super clone for comebacks, you can basically wobble people to 100+% with a single combo by mashing B every time the clone gets closeThis guy goes into platboosting at some point when talking about roa1 fors: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JSxWij3gy4c&t=4399s
>>693229253Post your rank first
>>693229660>>693230070Also notice at the beginning he does hitfall nair 1 -> sh bair, which isn't as consistent in 2 but does still exist if you can get the right spacing and percent. Just as an example for hitfalling nair's early hits
I played against an orcane in ranked who did nothing but spam neutral b, bubble, and forward b from each side of the stage over and over. Great game.
>>693230470cancerfish of many balance please understand
>>693230470Yeah. They're like that. The counterplay is to either parry the bubbles (it puts Orcane into parry stun) or build a time machine and tell their single parent to beat them more. Also ban Fire Capital and Merchant Port.
>>693230470>>693230791Slide parry makes it easier, make sure you have a button bound to parry so you don't lose momentum by having to shield first
Why does my Maypul not stick to the wall? Does it have to be before any skill or what?
>>693231128Hold jump button. Let go to wall jump
https://clips.twitch.tv/FilthyElatedToothPeteZaroll-RYxUZQmd6gK873mm
>>693231194He's rightIt'll be even shorter for rivals due to tranny community. A shame really
>>693231167she's supposed to stick indefinitely
>>693229253Why?
>>693231335no, no she isn't
>>693231194He's right, but at the same time >implying melee players aren't corny schizos too
>>693231430Melee unranked niggers be like>game random selects FD>they spam falco lasers for 5 minutes straight>*leaves*Nice "interactive" playerbase you got there, mang
>>693231335Lmao no people would camp underneath stages or something and the opponent would not be able to do shit.
>>693231430Platform fighters attract the worst kind of fags, it's fact
>Ranno>HodojoThe absolutely most cancerous shit in the game. REMOVE THIS MAP
>select FFA>pick ClairenIt's showtime
>>693231194 He's right.Closest we got to moving on was PM.But that was killed, so hey.
Check out this cool secret stage I unlocked. It's battlefield mixed with Air Armada.
>>693231194Mango is always right. And the cheese potential in Rivals 2 is so much more than the cheese potential of Melee.
>>693164523for the love of god keep the workshop 4 out of rivals 2
>>693231194This is how I've always felt about melee especially if you pick a character they don't personally like (more than half the roster)
>>693231194https://youtu.be/C1900rFkqP4?si=im6xdGc5SLmqHTZ5This mentality, that all melee players have, is much worse
>>693204562>>693202572>just stop whining!>sound like a poorfagI'm anything bur poor considering I backed the game on kickstarter for more than you can pay for it at retail, so suck my cock.You guys sound like absolute cum guzzling, developer cock sucking, GAAS worshipping nigger faggotsEww, big yikes>>693203509No, it's greedy. The most you'll get for free in the base game ever unless you play "events" allegedly is 2500 bucks.It's totally shitty.Not to mention they sell a lifetime 20% coin boost in the starter pack. Selling you solutions to problems they created scenario.They said they'd up coin gain "when the system is finalized" which is vague as shit, and this isn't an EA game so it comes off as wtf, but it still takes forever to get coins.
>>693231194Will be fun seeing eceleb boomers begrudgingly return to Rivals 2 as their shitty game loses interest
>>693232547Sorry anon they've already confirmed they're coming back
>>693232996That guys one of the best players in the world. If you're playing Roy and you're not Zain, you're wasting his time.
>>693233225Some people play for fun, anon. It's only unranked
>>693233198you gotta be diddling me
>>693233440Okay? I hope he had fun playing against one of the best players in the world playing the best character in the game... as Roy.
>>693231194*platform camps with jiggs bair*so interactive
I didn't realize how rough the monetization is until I saw that you can't use coins on most of the shop...Any way to earn Aether bucks or is it only through money? IDK why I thought I'd get some kind of windfall from being a kickstarter backer.
>>693233225Most average or lower level players are wasting his time regardless of character. It seems weird to specifically hate on low tiers.
>>693232337Just counter-cheese them. It's why I throw poison stacks on Clairen as Ranno and laugh as their grand strategy of sitting slightly outside of my range spamming jab, dtilt, and SHFF aerials falls apart. Fight me or die, bitch.I personally think that fighting game players, not just platform fighter players, need to get over this faggot-ass Goldilocks shit that they've been doing for decades. No game is going to be perfect; but, more critically, no game is going to be better than the first fighting game you fell in love with. Maybe that's Melee, maybe it's USF4, maybe it's KoF13, maybe it's UMVC3. Anyone who's familiar with the fundamentals of fighting games can look at these games and find flaws very easily. USF4's 1-frame links are a double-edged sword, for example. The game has a high skill ceiling and amazing combos, but it's difficult to get good at. When you're new, you're either too naive to recognize these things or you're willing to forgive them because the game is new and exciting and you have no frame of reference. The more fighting games you play, the more of a sour cunt you become because no other game will ever be your first game.All games have flaws. Rivals 2 has flaws. They may or may not be addressed. But it's also the first good platform fighter with legs (that weren't cut out from under it by Nintendo) in 23 FUCKING years.>>693233225>unrankedIt's fucking unranked. I don't know whether this was before or after ranked was added, but Cody's a bitch and if he wants high quality matches, he can play high quality matches with other top players.
I just played against a good Wrastor for the first time
>>693233662You're just as insufferable as ibdw. You don't pick your opponents in unranked. It's not his fault he matched vs a top player. If the top player wanted a challenge he could've queued up ranked. Random people in unranked do not need to play characters ibdw likes playing against on the offchance they meet up in unranked. They also are not obligated to care about competition. You can play melee for fun. Ibdw is just ruining the fun for everyone else. Again, you want a challenge? Play ranked. Want to play unranked anyways? Play it. Just win the match and move on or leave the game if you don't want to play vs a lowtier.
>>693233979I quite simply do not see him enough online to know how to counterplay
>>693233970>Goldilocks But anon, Melee is just the best platform fighter. I started with Brawl, and I really liked it back in the day. Then I tried PM and it was even better. Then I got into Melee, and it's even better. I like all the PM characters, but everything in Melee just feels better. There are such things as simply better games, and in this case, that's Melee.
>>693231194truth nukeanyone wanna play melee? DRBR#629
>>693234034>You're just as insufferable as ibdw.How? When I play Melee, I'd rather play against a top tier (actually viable) character, but there are people who are legitimately good at lower tier characters. If I was literally one of the best people in the world, playing literally the best character in the game, I'd probably be annoyed at jims who are bad at the game playing bad characters too.
How do I recover quickly from a daze after a hit? I swear sometimes I get hit in a way my character just tumbles down into ravine no matter what I press and never lets me regain control of the character
>>693233225I will pick Link and I will continue to waste his time. Fuck that faggot.
>>693231194What is he smoking? Nothing in RoA1 was half as "cheese" as wobbling, jigglypuff, ledge regrabbing, circlecamping characters like bowser, laser camping, guaranteed chain throws, etc.These retards have such selective memory. Nostalgia and brand loyalty are hella drugs.
>>693234629
>>693234159PM had too many characters, there's so many that are just very unfun to play against. melee is great because theres not many characters that can play hyper passive, at least not many where playing hyper passive is the BEST way to play them. a better version of P+ would just be a rebalanced melee where none of the top tiers get tweaked and some of the *interesting* low tiers get buffed. the rest can just be scrapped. for example, kirby, ness, mewtwo, and mario would be good characters to buff because they are unique enough to warrant a place in the meta and not pure cancer to play against. they are all more scrappy characters. i dont want to share a game with fucking snake.
>>693234629>>693234724you seem triggered
>>693226842>You dont need to remove stage bansits just for casual though
>>693234629its literally because he couldnt pick up the game and win everything like he can in melee
>>693234629>>693234724this looks so souless
>>693229660you should start with this I think if you're brand newhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE2CAQoDED0&ab_channel=ArtofRivals
>>693234629>>693234724people got better and jigglypuff isnt that strong in the meta. the only cheese in melee that really needed addressing was wobbling and planking. we banned one and added a ledge grab limit to kneecap the other.
>>693234629It's nostalgia
>>693234629>brand loyaltyMelee is not part of your Tendie seething. Nintendo fucking hates Melee and it fucking hates Melee players. Brand loyalty is only applicable, with regards to Smash, for people who still willingly choose to play Ultimate. Jigglypuff is very lame though. Any time Hbox was in grands of anything, twitch chat would spam the ResidentSleeper emote.
>>693234871game is objectively 100x easier than melee retard. you cannot argue to the contrary.
>>693234852I have an allergic reaction to bad arguments.>>693235116You are drunk if you think Melee players won't refuse to play Fizzi's Melee clone on the grounds of the characters being something other than Mario, Link, and Pikachu. Brand loyalty is a key factor even if it's not the up-to-date mainstream brand loyalty of Ultimate.
>>693235341>You are drunk if you think Melee players won't refuse to play Fizzi's Melee clone on the grounds of the characters being something other than Mario, Link, and Pikachu.Anon, no one plays Mario, Link, or Pikachu. They play Marth, Fox, Falco, Falcon, etc. If Fizzi's 1:1 Melee clone is actually a 1:1 Melee clone, then as long as the characters like Marth and Falco look "like" Marth and Falco, people will play it.
>>693235341>>693234629based memory haver
>>693234271It's a random on unranked, it's to be expected. The mindset you have will lead to a lot of people quitting the game because you're being an asshole to randoms who are just trying to learn the game for no reason. Stop this lame gatekeep behavior
>>693235515>Anon, no one plays Mario, Link, or Pikachu. They play Marth, Fox, Falco, Falcon, etc.I'll be polite here: Did you seriously see me give the three most popular examples and think I only meant those specific three characters? I meant the whole cast. People have a fanboy hardon for Captain Falcon, Marth, and Sheik purely because of Melee because they sure as shit didn't play Fire Emblem before or care for a collective 5 minutes of cutscenes in OoT.>as the characters like Marth and Falco look "like" Marth and FalcoNo, they'll look like knockoffs. Fizzi has no sense of aesthetics and his project literally doesn't even have a creative lead on it yet. They are not going to pull some godly designer who can make a stylish swordsman that invokes Marth while looking distinct. And Falco does nothing bird related, making that OC a bird will always make him look like a fan character.
>>693234828Melee is great because it had not just great movement, but also had the perfect amount of sauce to keep games interesting. Rivals 2 has good movement and a good combo game, however, it is clear to me that it severely lacks sauce. Because of this, it will never be as good as Melee.
>>693235914Once again, you are conflating my personal opinion with the opinion of ibdw. I simply understand his position, which he has because he is one of the best players in the world.
>>693234828>PM had too many characters, there's so many that are just very unfun to play against.one argument
No need to even say "brand loyalty", it's simply loyalty. Loyalty to Melee, or maybe more like and over-comfort with Melee. You play 1 game for 20 years? That affects how your brain is wired. That's 1/3rd or 1/4th of your whole lifespan most likely that you spent your waking hours playing that game. Mang0 won't one day go back to Melee because of inherent flaws in Rivals 2 not present in Melee. Mang0 will go back to Melee because Mang0 needs Melee. Any campaign to get someone like Mang0 to declare another game better than Melee is lunacy. It's like asking an old taxi driver in London with a Manchester hat to start rooting for Madrid.
>another update
>>693236289"Melee" is a brand in itself. That's what we mean when we say Meleefags have brand loyalty. They worship the Melee brand. Melee is this, Melee is that. They come into threads about other games and signal about how they're in with the Melee brand instead of this new unfamiliar Rivals brand.
>>693235993The bottom line is that no one plays Melee because they want to play as a Fire Emblem character or a Star Fox character or as a Metroid character or as a Pokemon character or as a Mario character or as a Zelda character or as a niche racing game character. People have a fanboy hardon for Captain Falcon because of Melee, where he says "show me your moves" and does sick as combos. No one has a hardon for Captain Falcon because they played F-Zero Racing. No one plays Falco because he says "Time for a little payback" in Star Fox 64, the play him because his kit is cool and fun in Melee. No one even knew who the fuck Marth was when Melee released, I'd wager most people who play Melee have never even played a Fire Emblem game. They play Marth because they like who he is in Melee. None of this is brand loyalty to Nintendo or whatever you're trying to spin, as all of this takes place within Melee only. >Fizzi has no sense of aesthetics and his project literally doesn't even have a creative lead on it yet. This is actually a point against you. Why are you already seething about something that hasn't happened yet, about a game that might not even ever release?
>>693236406Sure, but I'm just suggesting that when trying to communicate with 90 IQ video game playing teens and crash-outs on the internet, it's best to avoid absolutely any possibility of accidental or willful misinterpretation. You say "brand loyalty" and the droolers WILL contort your post to say you meant about the Nintendo characters or the company itself. You know how stupid that interpretation is but it won't stop them from doing it. So at the least I'd say "Melee loyalty" specifically instead of just "brand loyalty". You have to write for your audience.
THEY REVERTED THE TITLE MUSIC??? wtf is this dogshit?
>>693233582Yep, every character in the original except the guest characters (who are both a maybe, but definitely not before everyone else)
>>693236572Ignoring your ignorance about how Melee and these Nintendo IPs are irreversibly intertwined:Pointing out an obvious truth about Fizzi's doomed project is rational, not buzzword-anger. What % of indie developers and artists would you say could produce character designs better than what's in Melee? Fizzi has no pull outside of the Melee scene and he has no money or aesthetic taste. He is not going to find the golden child who could deliver, let alone convince them to work for him in a volatile genre.Pic related is the kind of character design you should expect from the aforementioned conditions.>>693236583Kek you are too correct and within 15 seconds of a dumb poster making that confusion. I am so sick of hearing about Melee but so long as they keep bumping threads I don't mind taking 'em down a peg.
>character can kill off of a single grab>there is no counterplay>this technique remained unbanned for 17 years...>character can kill at low percents off of a grab or tech chase>character can stall and wall out opponents effortlessly>matchup is so unfavorable that even top players have pocket secondaries>grinds every set to a halt with an extremely favorable stage counterpick...>gave endured 5 grueling years of hbox / armada grand finals...>game is full of abysmal matchups in general...>multiple characters have completely worthless moves...>multiple character have broken mechanics, like a shield that doesn't work and the inability to L-cancel aerials>or are arbitrarily locked out of mechanics by characteristics like a 8-frame jump squat...>only half of the cast is competitively viable>some characters are so bad that they're basically joke characters>others are only considered viable because of savants who dedicated their lives to them...>some mechanics are so arbitrarily difficult to execute that they require custom, modified controllers to make them more consistent>controllers which are no longer in production...>the game's publishers and developers dislike the grass roots competitive community>intentionally designs sequels to be anti-competitive>neither party can stop shooting itself in the foot>the game will obviously never be updated and / or balanced, and any attempt by the community to balance it is doomed to failure...>every character in the game is viable>every character's respective moveset feels conceptually and mechanically complete>the game has great netcode>the game is affordable, in active development, and future characters will be free>the game is guaranteed to have a healthy competitive communityit's fun :)>teching off of walls is too forgiving>it's too easy to shield drop>matchups exist>i got camped oncei don't know... it just... it just doesn't have the sauce, chat... you know?
>>693227603It doesn’t. It’s a DI mixup. Look up a video on how to handle it,
>>693237180link me a video on how to handle it or i will fill my diaper in protest
>>693232547This. Olympia is the most ignorant fighting game character I have ever encountered
>>693237112blessed post
>>693237112But you see, one of the reasons Melee is so great is because of it's jank. Melee would not be as good if we didn't have crazy things like rest, shine or falcon knee. You take all of this away, and you have a sauceless game.Platform fighters need a bit of jank or else they become boring.
>>693237048>still seething about a game that hasn't released>we all agree it might not ever release>seethe about a fictional situation of your own creation anyway>have a second conversation about his own misuse of the term "brand loyalty"You have a lot of hate in your heart that can only be reconciled from within. If a 1:1 Melee game is ever released, then as long as the characters "look like" who they're supposed to look like, people will play it, most importantly because you can actually have real tournaments with it. To think otherwise, or to even bring this conversation up every thread in the first place, is crafting a fictional narrative of your own design as a means to justify seething rants (about nothing).
>>693237593all people really care about is aesthetics. just look back at how people responded to rushdown revolt. every thread every post was bitching about the character designs.
>>693237426Are we playing the same game? >>693175942
>>693237702You need good aesthetics and good gameplay. To this day, there hasn't been a smash clone that has accomplished both.
>>693237112>>teching off of walls is too forgivingI actually dont hate this too much. If you want a spike go risk something for it, you're not risking anything by spiking right next to the stage in rivals 2
>>693235993CYBOURGEOIS for me
>>693236193snake, diddy, wario, all lameos
>>693237702I think this is a good time to point out that a lot of people mod their Melee online anyway. Mango played as a Banana Falco for months.
>>693237789Cool, this game has a little amount of jank, but it is pretty clear that the direction of the game is to make the game as jankless as possible.
I see a lot of seethe and not a lot of Fleet
>>693238291Jank really is not the word you're looking for. Falcon Knee cannot possibly be called "jank" if it's nothing but an aerial that kills and combos.
>>693235080Bro this is all baby shit. And no I don't mean shit like baby dashing, in fact I need the rivals video that goes over all the secret tech like the aforementioned.
>>693232547I played Rivals 1 but before they were addedWhat's wrong with them?
Is there a single move in this game that's plus on shield or even 0? The only thing I have found was as zetterburn doing a dair on someone's toes gives a frametrap shine. This game at least needs some options where I can hit the opponent's shield and dash back without being punished with an aerial or grab. As it stands it seems like your only option is to hit the opponent's shield at the tip of your hitboxes range and pull back like your life depends on it and MAYBE you won't get shield grabbed if the planets align.
>Can no longer quit back to CSS in Casual Singles/Doubles/FFA.>Players now properly suffer the consequences of their actions.based
>>693239326they're great additions, anon is just butthurt.try booting rivals 1 and mess around with them vs CPUs, they are fun.
Just a terminology disagreement but IMO "Jank" is more something like the lingering hitbox of Young Link's nair.But yes, one of the appeals of Melee is it has really strong / "busted" moves. People love using shine, Falco laser, Falcon knee, Jiggs rest, Marth grab, etc.Here's the thing, Rivals DOES have crazy busted moves. But it's the type Melee players don't like: recoveries.Maypul can swing to the other player from anywhere on stage. It's awesome. Melee players don't like it because it can be used to extend the life of Maypul's stock. Kragg can create solid ground to stand on anywhere on stage to stop falling or to reset his jumps. It's awesome. Melee players don't like it because it can be used to extend the life of Kragg's stock. Orcane can always return to his puddle, which lets him set up crazy combo extensions. It's awesome. Melee players don't like it because it can be used to extend the life of Orcane's stock... you're seeing the pattern here I'm sure.
>>693237112Based as fuck
>>693232996tbf thats ibdw cody schwab so the bitchiness and whininess is cranked up to a million
>>693239506I wanted to add, all of these options have distinct and viable counterplay when used as recovery options, but for whatever reason, Melee veterans are vehemently against the offstage advantage situation having counterplay for the losing player. To Melee players offstage should mean you're absolutely dead for certain if the on stage player plays correctly, and someone coming back at 80% is treated just as bad as Jigglypuff stalling with rising pound and bair off stage. They don't see the interactivity of recoveries in Rivals, they're not programmed to see it. IDK.
>>693239680All melee players think this way about non top tiers tho
Dpad movement makes infant dashing really easy.
>>693175942lmao
>>693239506To be fair isn't a big issue right now that it takes awhile to kill. An issue with really strong recoveries, even if they are really versatile for combos, is it makes killing a lot harder. The big stages don't help and I wonder what pathway the devs will take.
>>693239506If stages were smaller, all characters having god tier recoveries wouldn't be as much of an issue. Similarly, if all characters didn't have god tier recoveries, the gigantic stage blast zones wouldn't be as big of an issue.
>>693239373You should learn how to tomahawk, I think it'd benefit you
People also forget the Melee meta has had over 20 years to develop. This game came out last week and people want to act like we know everything about how it should be balanced.
>TomahawkThere's gotta be something about the psychology of platform fighter players that you can learn about, based on the fact that jumping at someone and not pressing a button until you land is named as its own advanced technique. Instead of just teaching to players that when you jump at someone you have the choice to press a button or not, and that a well-spaced button can beat their buttons but lose to blocking, while landing without pressing beats blocking but loses to their buttons.
>>693232547Too late! She's comin'!
>>693239826You want to know why everyone in melee thinks that Fox is a cool character? Because he's so oppressively dominant that the people who don't love Fox just leave. They have to quit the game. Not apply the same logic in reverse, this is why everyone hates mid/low tiers. Because everyone who likes them but isn't a masochist who enjoys losing to inferior players due to unfair matchups leaves
>>693240353I'm okay with her coming back if she looks cuter than she did in Rivals 1 but she's kinda ugly IMO as it is.
>>693240023I know what that is, but not having moves that are safe or plus on shield is bad game design. Literally every melee top tier had at least one if not a few options on shield that achieved this. This game is too defensive and bitchy atm between shields, parries, and the massive fucking stages. When are the attackers gonna get nice options?
>>693240324>Tick throwThere's gotta be something about the psychology of fighting game players that you can learn about, based on the fact that attacking someone and inputting a throw is named as its own advanced technique. Instead of just teaching to players that when you hit someone you have the choice to go for a throw or not, and that a well-timed throw can beat their block attempts but lose to jabs.
>>693240324uh huh
>finally grind my way into plat with lox>the game immediately matches me against a fleet (lox's hard counter) who's ONE HUNDRED points above methe system is rigged against us loxbros
How are crossups in this game? What frame disadvantage if any does the other player incur to turn around out of shield?
>>693240594Maypul is Lox's hardcounter. You do not know pain yet
>>693240638maypul isn't that bad, she has a hard time getting in if you become a helicopter
>>693240458The crazy thing is that Melee is way too far in the "everything is unsafe on shield" direction, yet somehow every other platfighter is even further in that direction. It's infuriating. Blocking should only straight up beat overly aggressive laggy options, not every low aerial or slightly miss spaced tilt
>>693240594It all evens out in the end, anon. Don't worry about the numbers too much, just try to improve
>>693240696nonumber must go upbig elephant BIG NUMBER
>>693237426How is shit like this not jankhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo5VNgM5_UU
>>693239826Oh yeah for sure, I'm not disputing that. I've seen my fair share of disgustingly un-self aware tweets of people complaining about having to play "low tiers" in slippi. As an old Doc main part of me wants to get back into it just to spite those retards but then that would be subjecting myself to playing Melee as Dr. Mario again>>693240412Makes sense
>>693240637They are still really minus if not punishable, but you'll probably get away with them until higher ranks. Good people can just do an aerial out of shield that covers their back if you do one really high on shield.
>>693235173they why did he lose like a buster to actual rivals players
>Ummm Rivals is bad because you dont have to le approachYou dont have to in Melee either if you play Fox, Falco, or Jigglypuff? Are these people retarded?
>>693240794This exists in melee too, it is the exact same technique
>>693240884Maybe they thought they could finally get away from that kind of shit but were wrong and are now upset at rivals 2 as a result
>>693234724>>693234629wowd....... memlee.... relely is... like jaz.... wow.... gonna go watch ping pong w/ one earbud while listening to the innter game of tennis in the other.... so dep....... melee is an accidental mamsterpepps..
>>693240884noooo melee is siiiiick but only when you play it aggressively and spam tech skillz liek a baws
>>693240884All of those characters are easier to hit and not be maimed in the process than a camping loxodont on fire temple. Why? Because stages were smaller, offense was better, characters were faster, etc. I'd fight puff any day of the week on dreamland than deal with 70% of these giant ass stages.
>>693240794No you don't understand, people aren't actually doing these things yet so it doesn't count...!!
>>693231194The cool thing about Rivals is they’re good about patching shit. If there’s anything insufferable to play against, they’ll fix it.
I once watched a video called something like "why we play Melee" or "the match that taught us why we play Melee". The thesis of the video is that Melee players even at the top level reject truly optimal play (which is campy) because they are trying to will Melee to be how they want it to be rather than how it is, and there are enough people with that vision of Melee to hold it together and be the hyper aggressive spectator game it's known as. And guys like Wobbles, Hbox and the like are despised because they break the social contract of Melee.
>>693241028Kek
if the stages were 25% smaller the game would be 100x betterno one wants to play on these giant mickey mouse pm stages
>>693240884They should add that tug of war meter from UNIEL
>>693241149mang0 is melee
>>693241147This. Also on the other end they won't patch shit just because everyone's whinging about it.
>>693241149truebut id say that "melee is sick" sums this up pretty well
>ban the two small stages to give me more space >opponent picks the third small stage Wow what amazing stage meta this is. You have to really THINK about counterpicking!
>>69324118330% tbdesu
>>693241028Inner Game of Tennis is a good book despite how much insufferable people try to ruin it. Tl;dr, think objectively and unemotionally, turn your brain off, avoid useless thoughts like "I'm good or I'm bad at x thing today", and trust your instincts. Great advice.
>>693241183yass queen let zetter kill at 50%
>>693241485>Inner Game of Tennis?
I am utterly unqualified to even discuss this as a problem or offer solutions, but stage size does seem to totally eclipse platform placement as a matter of consideration for the player base.
>>693241575If David Foster Wallace was writing about Rivals 2 ranked mode I think he'd title the book "Infinite Clairen" instead.
>>693241313>people seething about Forsburn for years in RoA1>”nope. Cake is just that much better than you.”Kek
>>693241360Same goes for the opposite too. The game would be so much better if only the neutral stages were legal. >1 giant stage>1 small stage>2 normal stages>1 almost big stageIt's perfect. Meanwhile the counterpick stages give a whole buffet of cancer to pick from.
>>693241575I heard this book is really hard, but I did read a DFW short story about tennis in a college creative writing class and it was absolute kino. Reading it was like being in the match but also being in a tornado because there was a tornado there. I'm sure this post sounds retarded but I'm just saying DFW was a great writer for sure.
Genuinely considering switching controllers just to have 1-3 extra buttons
>>693241925You don't need extra buttons you need extra braincells.
Godai Delta, but the platforms are 2 inches higher so Clairen f-smash whiffs. That should be the perfect baseline for what a neutral stage looks like.
di away is so fucking stupid lmao how do you combo this shit?
>>693241970I want parry on shoulder and jump on shoulder...
>>693242038Hit em with a kill move and take the edgeguard
>>693241925Jealous of people like Marlon who weren't psyop'd into using the trash gamecube controller. I now know what it feels like to be a cringe FGCboomer on his gay fightstick he Stockholm Syndromed himself into enjoying.
My main problem with the stages is that most are visually completely bland until last stock situation. Why is there so much fucking gray and desaturation (is that the term?). Where's the color and contrast? I'm not sure if there's one Rivals stage I like better from a visuals aspect compared to Melee legal stage list (sorry to bring it up but what else to compare it to). I'm sure there's an argument for maximum readability of the fighters on screen, but I don't care... I want stages that inspire me. Where's the deep blacks of Battlefield or FD or Fountain for example. I want a dark void stage!Honestly it'd look better if the stages were still R1 pixel graphics.
>>693242038who are you playing
>>693242158fleet. I win neutral 3x vs clairen players but they just win punish game
>>693242156Or the other option, make the last stock aesthetic it full time. Just let me have a stage where it's raining or a volcano is erupting instead of waiting six minutes to get that.
>>693241687You're gay just like DFW. I read like 5 pages of that trash and wanted to throw up from how le indie tryhard he was being. Fuck off.
>>693242156I like the shrine stagethats about it
>>693242219run up sh fair and carry them off the stage and edge guard with tornado
This probably the tallest of orders, but can someone show me a clip from a game of "platboost aerial". I need to see what this esoteric shit looks like.
>>693242418https://rivals.academy/lectures/platboost-and-ledgeboost/
>>693242470Is this why pro players are able to do insane wrastor combos that felt physically impossible for me?
>>693242336can you not set up training mode to do edgeguard situations? I easily get these retards off stage but I fuck up
This game needs forfun stages and items for casuals to enjoy. No one wants to play only 1vs1 doubles or ffa all the time with nothing else added.
Should I paypig for the Halloween launch bundle?
>>693242585Best you can do is knock a CPU down there and savestate before they commit to an option. They will randomly do stuff whenver you load state.
>>693241149kinda a goofy video because the same can be said for most games. take COD for example. people could all just sit in the spawns and wait for the other team to come. lots of games are like this. people play them to have fun more than win even at the highest level. especially when theres no real money invovled like with melee.
>>693242606I assume at some point we'll get aether mode stages from the original which add stage hazards
>>693242470This is insanely autistic even by melee standards lmao. I have to actually utilize this shit or die? FFS.
>>693242859it's pretty intuitive to dash off a platform imo
>>693242859fwiw i placed in plat and i have no idea what platboosting is and have never intentionally used it, if at all
Not sure if its like this with Peach, but if you shorthop you cant buffer your float? Is it like this in Melee?Was probably adding to my failed float cancel nairs with Fleet, so weird. I dont like the idea of a dedicated full hop button though.
>mfw the clairen starts "platmoosting"
>>693243015It's very early days atm, things like this won't matter for a while yet
>>693243221im retarded. its because you have to be holding the jump with down. im so retarded
look: >>693242894
