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>Undermines Andrew Ryan's city for no reason
>Hates Tenenbaum for no reason
>Wants Steinman dead for no reason
>Looks down on Sander Cohen for no reason
>Betrays Jack for no reason
Was he just antisemitic?
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Just retarded, you could tell by his accent. The real one, not the cool one.
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>>693330509
I miss Bioshock
What the hell did Infinite do to kill the franchise? I swore it sold pretty well so it can't be sales related.
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>>693330685
is he not a friendly irish chap
i don't remember shit that happens after playing golf with ryan
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Would you kindly stop reminding me of games that are better then anything produced today
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>>693330798
His real accent is Bronx.
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>>693330509
Bioshock is retarded Jewish propaganda attempting to validate their own narcissism and ethnic nepotism at the expense of Whites who are morally and intellectually superior to them
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>>693330930
Bioshock is horror-ish. Treat yourself this Halloween and play it.
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>>693330509
Italiens aren't Jews
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>>693330509
He’s the end product of the utopia you retard, he’s proof of why Rapture wouldn’t work even if you remove the supernatural bullshit
>hyper capitalist society where anyone can succeed with enough resources and capital
>ryan is comfortable with this because he enters the city as the defacto ruler due to everything tying back to his wallet
>effectively employs everyone, so all progress and dreams and held under his thumb
>fontaine finds a smuggling loophole to make money outside of Ryan’s racket, allows him to build his own micro economy
>realizes the only thing really stopping him from being the capitalist king is the military side, specifically the supernatural elements that smuggled guns alone couldn’t overpower
>uses you to get that and then disposes of you
The only nonsense part was his plan after everything went to shit, but he was so blinded by greed that he likely didn’t plan far enough ahead
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>>693330930
Canned Tomatoes
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>>693330721
It wasn't Infinite itself but BaS. Ken Levine hated when his toys were played with by someone else, so he used BaS to erase Bioshock 2 from existence and then went forward destroying the timeline and ending to make it nearly impossible to continue with any popular characters like Jack, the Luteces, or Elizabeth. He basically threw a tantrum and broke everything so they couldn't use the pieces to make Bioshock 4.
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>>693330970
gross
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>>693331146
Also his hatred for the other characters is rooted in his misunderstanding of society as a whole. He effectively only cares about the economy and straight money value, blinding him to potential value that art, science, and other fields would contribute to big business. But this isn’t surprising because he’s a fucking smuggler, he doesn’t give a shit because he’s likely uneducated. This again is the perfect example of who that stupid hyper capitalist society would appeal to: uneducated retards who see the world as nothing more than dollar signs. The philosophical implications of freedom mean nothing to a man who was clearly born poor and had to turn to illegal trade to scrape by.
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Sinclair's death was sad.
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>>693330509
Any hope for Ken's new game?
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>>693331425
I'm pretty sure the tie in novel confirms that, he was a conman who first bullshit his way close to a CIA agent and then tricked the real Frank Fontaine into giving up the location of Rapture, after which he killed him, took his identity and snuck into the city.
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>>693331703
>Do it again but better this time!
It'll be fine I bet, I just don't know if space cowboy, wife archetype and rebellious daughter archetype will stick with me as characters
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>>693330509
How did this low class, uneducated thug even make it down to Rapture to begin with? It's not like you could just hop the border.
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>>693330509
he's a grade a asshole, that's all there is to it and the only reason one needs.
>Looks down on Sander Cohen for no reason
that homo and his faggot club were degenerates who would do shit like have boys fuck octopuses(I dont care if its an excerpt from the shitty book or not)
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>>693331878
He can seem smart & innocent when he wants to con someone.
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>>693331703
>Judas
Ken gonna insert more jewish pilpul into this one I bet, probably even more than Bioshock and Infinite.
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Daily reminder that Libertarianism was always a Jewish psyop to push atomised individualism on White Westerners. All the founding figures of Libertarianism were Jews - Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, etc - and all were blatantly ethnocentrically Jewish and pro-Israel and Jewish racial interests, in other words complete hypocrites. Jews have a duplicitous standard of Ethics that they set for themselves and non Jews arising from Talmudic religious beliefs that teach them they are chosen children of God and that non Jews are animals withput divine souls, thus allowing them morally to trick, deceive, mislead, steal, murder and pretend to be someone they are not to someone who is not a Jew. Genetic science backs this up too, as East Mediterannean autosomal DNA (possessed by Jews and Sicilians at high levels) correlates with dark triad personality traits such as Psychopathy and Narcissism. Once you understand this key facet of Jewish psychology, you are henceforth completely immunised against their bullshit. Libertarianism leads to a society of amoral atomised individuals that collectivist nepotistic ethnic groups like Jews and Indians can exploit and dominate more easily.
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>>693330509
Do any of the Bioshock games have a gigachad Howard Roark character?
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>>693331972
>>693331989
And why Bioshock 2 is so kino: While it never names them, it obviously isn't on board with all the fucked up things the j elites of Rapture are up to and looks at things from the goy working class perspective who suffered under their lolbert bullshit. You literally play as a former golem who now freed wants to save his daughter from the new commie cult in town.
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>>693330509
>Ryan preach about people are entitled to their entrepreneur and effort
>Fountain: built an economy by exploiting an economic niche in Ryan's city (entrepreneur) and his people skill(effort)
Ryan: Not like this
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He just wanted power. That's the whole point of Andrew Ryan's stupid objectivist philosophy, that all it takes to ruin it is one person who doesn't play by the rules, and why it's doomed from its inception.
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>Andrew Ryan. He reckoned the free market was some kinda holy spirit gonna lead us all over the rainbow -- and I reckon it's a big fat hooker too dim to spot a wooden nickel. So old Andy went an' became his own ghost, and I whittled nickels 'till I made a mint.
Was he right /v/?
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>>693331878
Rapture needed laborers, the sort who'd do dangerous work for cheap and wouldn't ask questions about permanently relocating to god-know's-where. So, y'know, a lot of suspicious fellows with good reason to want to disappear off the face of the Earth.
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>>693331363
It's even grosser in practice, his voice doesn't just change but his mannerisms and the phrases he uses become almost a parody of New Yorker
>Mother Goose
>Spent the morning jawing with that, kraut scientist. She's damaged goods alright. Just like all those chumps they scraped out of them prison camps.
>I had you built, I sent you top side, I called you back showed you what you was what you was capable of. Even that life you thought you had, that was something I dreamed up and I tattooed inside your head.
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>>693331878
Same reason why Columbia had a bunch of blacks, someone needs to scrub the floors and gut the fish.
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>>693333649
And depsite many retards thinking the point of Bioshock 2 is
>Leftwing extremism is just like rightwing extremism!
The real horseshoe theory of the game is when you trade one j philosophy (cult of personality libertarian capitalism) with another (cult of personality communism with religious deification of dear leader) you get the same results, because the same type of people pushed both ideas as different survival strategies for themselves in the first place.
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>>693331989
>All the founding figures of Libertarianism were Jews - Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman
Right wing libertarianism is just liberalism , so modern libertarianism is actually both Jewish and Freemason in origin
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>>693334249
>kraut
She wishes.
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>>693331878
Fontaine was one of the criminal-type figures that Ryan used/employed to make it so that the construction and logistics (the movement of enough materials to build a city through ports) of Rapture went *mostly* unnoticed. He allowed Ryan to keep Rapture a secret and so was given citizenship, but he soon returned to his criminal ways when his role in the city ended up being running the fisheries, rather unglamorous
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>>693334040
In Rapture it's dog eat dog, all underhanded tactics are effectively legal if you can enforce them
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>>693334040
Sinclair was the smartest one of all, or at least the most realistic. If he were in charge of the city it wouldn't have failed, and notably every step of the way he kept advising Ryan what should be done regarding the decline of the city, but Ryan kept refusing his suggestions because he just personally didn't like Sinclair
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>>693335084
It is funny hearing Ryan being weary of him when Sinclair was a perfect entrepreneur who saw a way to make a profit at every corner.
>have this area that was only built to house workers making the rail line
>buy it for cheap and put up low income housing
>then hire the folk there to make goods you can sell and undercut the competition
And the fun part is no one seems to blame him, people like Grace only talk about Fontaine and Ryan, and not the guy literally working them over.
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>>693335982
>And the fun part is no one seems to blame him
That's the southern accent working it's magic. The one thing above all you can take away from Bioshock as a series is that first impressions matter tremendously.
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>>693331703
If the game is good then is cool. If not, is called karma and Ken can crash and burn for all I care. Win-win.
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>>693334040
>>693335084
>>693335982
>>693336374

Sinclar was kino and so does his accent
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>>693335982
Sinclair was smart enough to generally hide what he did, or make it not worth note. Hell, he had an entire hidden district beneath the city that almost no one knew about.
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>>693335982
No one blames him because he kept a low head and everyone underestimated him. He was very happy not being the figurehead of anything, even his marquee business, Sinclair Solutions itself didn't compete for the top position.

We the player may even underestimate him if it weren't for his personal audio diaries, which no one would normally have access to, which give an insight into who he truly was rather than how everyone perceived him to be.
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>>693330509
He did nothing wrong
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>>693330992
Shut up, nog. Bioshock is based af that not even kike propaganda that it is could dimmish it.
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>>693337681
Also Sinclair was a real bro. I was expecting him to fuck you over with the whole working together topside being bullshit but the fact that he actually attempts to rescue you after you get captured and even turned into a Big Daddy forced to fight you shows he was a genuine friend abd loyal partner.
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>>693341004
Yeah, he chose to save you at the cost of his own life
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>>693331989
what goes on in the heads of anons who feel the need to write these "daily reminder" political posts?
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>>693341284
Daily reminder:
100 sterilized credits qualifies non-mechanical reproduction simulation.
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>>693341147
It really subverted my expectations expecting a betrayal like in the first game but finding someone who was actually a real friend who actually wanted a future together and was willing to die for it.
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>>693334040
A true bro.
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>>693334396
So what is the 'ideal' society to you then?
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>>693331142
Okay but like all of the people OP listed were actual jews.
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>>693341947
American Wild West where the fed government fucked off and stayed in the cities. Bandits were dealt with when the sheriff deputized the local townmen became a militia and all the boys got to work.
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>>693342518
and then more people moved into your ideal society and it can't be ideal anymore as cities in the desert sprang up and water is running out
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>>693331878
>exceptionalist utopia
It didn't get far until Ryan realized you needed willing workers to actually make anything happen. He was just one of them that was smarter and more cunning than the rest and saw the powder keg Ryan kept ignoring.
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>>693342691
Just kill the excess
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>>693342853
Minervas Den showed Rapture was on the cusp of being completely automated with robots doing everything so workers weren't neccessary.
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>>693342923
We're talking about Bioshock 1 and not a fanfic added years after.
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>>693342691
Tell them darkies and jews to fuck off we're full. American Wild West is the panultimate way of life. Actual true freedom from overreaching government tyranny where you can live in a thriving high trust town where everyone knows your name.
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>>693343067
Didn't mention Bioshock Infinite though.
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>>693330509
>Goes from a blonde Irish man with a chissled jaw to a chinless hairless mulatto
Should've kept the Altas persona instead of whatever he become at the end
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>>693330509
>>693331878
>>693342853
>>693342923
>>693343067

This is how you read a post chain. I don't care about the other Bioshocks and it's specifically a question of how Fontaine is even in Rapture despite being a scrub-tier wageslave before his rise.
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>>693343069
bro I don't think it's darkies moving in it's more "asylum seekers"
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>>693343323
He was never a scrub tier wageslave, he was an accomplished criminal on the surface
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>>693343425
Potatoniggers and wops were the 19th century equivalent of darkies.
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>>693334040

based sinclair

bro till the end
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>>693334040
>Sells weapons to both sides of the RCW
>Got away with it
Based
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Suchong bros...
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>>693334040
Part of me feels like Ken hates 2 because it turns the whole slave-man thing on its head and presents a situation Rapture could of functioned if Andy wasn’t just the biggest retard and was constantly acting like a manchild running the city.
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>>693343448
This, using orphanages and houses for the poor as fronts for operations and recruitment was peak mafioso playbooks.
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>>693343640
Break dat puppies neck.
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>>693343658
But Levine needed to pretend that Andy had "a point" because the jewish communists of russia were vaguely oppressing andy's jewish family, or something.
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>>693343768
I couldn't tell, was that Jack or some other child they experimented on?
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>>693343832
I think it was Jack because of the Would You Kindly phrase, also there areb't that many other kids in Rapture that aren't girls.
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>>693343832
Not that anon. Burial at Sea seems to heavily impy that it was Jack's.
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>>693343832
He's using the command phrase, it's obviously Jack
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>>693343806
Pretend is the key word here, him seething about 2 is basically him dropping the mask. The funniest part is that it seems that all of the competent people that could have stopped the down fall weren’t jews.
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>>693343913
There were boys, it’s just that only girls can become little sisters and I think that being a little sister stops the aging process so they can just stay kids indefinitely.
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>>693344142
>being a little sister stops the aging process

Big sisters are aged up little sisters, unless you don't count 2
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are the remastered versions ok? Or do they bog the original games' charm?
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>>693344205
Big Sisters were cool designs and cool fights.
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>>693331267
Not just that but he just fired all his staff and downsized the company instead of making a new company when he threw a tantrum crying about wanting to be an indie game dev. Ken Levine is a colossal douchebag.
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>>693344436
They're needlessly buggy, lots of very basic graphical stuff that is broken for whatever reason
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>>693344436
remaster of 1 was fine when i played it but 2 had a bug that softlocked me from progressing
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>>693344436
The remaster of the first one includes content that was exclusive to the PS3 version before
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How did they get food and drink underwater?
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>>693344521
I think I prefer the original idea though that there was just one big sister you keep fighting (you wouldn't manage to kill her) and the big twist is that she was Eleanor all along, being controlled by Sophia of course

>>693344436
>>693344621
This, they look "better" but they were not thoroughly playtested or bug checked. I remember one occasional problem where, like a portion of rubble or trash on the floor would be treated as like a texture piece, and you'd find windows out to the ocean and the city where there was rubble or trash on the floor near the window, but as you look through the window to the outside, the texture would clip through out into the ocean beyond the window. Stuff like that.

Also IIRC 2 was almost unplayable for some game breaking bugs?
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>>693344806
Farming, fishing, and desalination
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>>693344806
>Genetically modified plants that can survive without sun (produce shit fruit)
>Fishing
>Desalination
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>>693331989
Even aside from that it's self-evidently retarded. Socially left-wing and economically capitalist? That's a fucking cursed combo.
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>>693344884
>>693344974
Isn't desalination incredibly inefficient? How do they even do it underwater? Wouldn't it just make more sense to make a plasmid that allows people to drink sea water? And like, givd them gills. Surely these would be more important that giving people the ability to shoot bees.
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>>693345118
:)
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>>693331703
I was all on board with Bioshock + Hades until I found out there’s only those 3 shitty characters for the whole game.
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>>693345158
Ryan wanted to make money off Plasmids, and shooting lightning or even hosting bees on your body is way easier to sell than drinking sea water.
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>>693345158
Firstly, you're talking about inefficient in a setting with a city underwater, and also they have all kinds of insane sci-fi advancements.

Secondly, plasmids didn't come along until like 8-9 years along into Rapture's history, so they had to have a way of getting water before that.

Thirdly, they actually were developing some plasmids like what you describe. In 2 it's shown that the splicers are getting by that way after a decade of post-collapse Rapture. They're becoming more acquatically animalistic.
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He was a power-obsessed gangster and he saw the opportunity to seize ultimate power. Andrew Ryan didn't vet people coming in to Rapture well enough to keep glowies like Fontaine out, but Ryan was only a man.
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>>693345670
It's worse because Ryan involved Fontaine in the first place, because he was a criminal and a smuggler. But once the city was complete, Ryan then assumed Fontaine would suddenly give up being a criminal and a smuggler, out of goodness or faith in the Great Chain or something.
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>>693345360
Bro, you drink water everyday. How often do you find yourself needing to shoot lightning or bees?
>>693345361
>1st
Sure, but even in sci fi you kinda need the setting to have some internal logic
>2nd
I actually flund the timeline of Rapture very hard to graps. I know we arrive on it's decline, but i don't recall ever being told how long it lasted or when the major events inside it happened.
>3rd
I don't recall fighting fish people at all on BS2. It's been ages tho.
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>>693344205
I alway thought the big sisters were just women that went through the same process as the little sisters or were little sisters that were healed but turned back after puberty.
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>>693345912
No they're literally just little sisters 10 years older

I'm pretty sure, I remember some logs from Gilbert explaining it
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>boss finally pushes you past that point one day
>go slam 10 bucks in a machine
>come back in the next day and kill him with bees
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>>693346239
Me too.
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>>693345843
The logic is pretty simple, they live under the sea, and the technologically prioritized better desalination tech, plus some sci-fi fiction liberties.

As for the timeline, more or less

>Construction of Rapture begins in 1943-1944
>Continues to 1947 when the city is "officially" founded and a handful of buildings are complete and habitable
>Rapture continues normally for about 12 years until New Years eve 1959 when the civil war breaks out in full
>things decline over the course of a year, to when Jack returns

Pre-civil war, we can assume that the discovery of ADAM (and the demiurge, if you count 2) was around 5 years or less from 1959. So there was at least 5-10 years where Rapture was operating without ADAM or plamids.
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>>693346239
>>693346317
Are you sure?
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>>693330509
WOULD YEW KOINDLY PICK UP DAT SHAWT WAVE RADIO
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>>693346412
That's just a stand-in model you aren't meant to see. She has mousy charm in BS2 that fits with what I find hot about her in BS1. I just want her with the curly brown hair and it'll be chef's kiss.
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>>693331146
There wasn't anything to rule by that time, though, everyone were just psycho monsters
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>>693346369
>>>Construction of Rapture begins in 1943-1944
Construction of Rapture began in 1945. It was finished by 1947. It only began after Hiroshima. This is in the novel (which is actually good).
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>>693346492
I'm going by 2, which I would be inclined to take as canon over the book
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>>693346526
The museum in 2 aligns with this timeline and has the same dates -- 1945 was when the Sinker, the foundation of Rapture, was laid. The book was written coterminously with BS2, and John Shirley consulted the writers of 2 most predominantly (which is why Sofia Lamb has such prominence and is the most consistent with her game self) during its writing.
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>>693346483
The bad ending shows they can be willed into an army or more accurately terrorist organization. But I think he really would've just become a drug runner and used his wealth to rebuild the city into his own kingdom, it's the perfect base of operations and he makes it clear he only cares about the money.
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>>693346581
>>693346492
It can't just be after Hiroshima because there's mention of difficulty they face in building the city during WWII, and the need to shunt international ship movements away from the city's location
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>>693345158
You can't bee serious, anon, come on, now.
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>>693346581
The Sinker becomes a permanent fixture by 1945, they were using it in the building process long before that.
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>>693346676
>perfect base of operations
just a couple decades after construction its on the brink of imminent collapse
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>>693346483
Fontaine himself at the end became a psycho monster
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>>693346723
Where do they say that? I don't recall ever hearing them say that. Anon I don't mean to patronize you also, but WWII-level production restrictions and materials control were in place until about 1948 in the USA and espionage and tax laws relating to WWII were in place until 1950. Unrelatedly but in the UK rationing was in place until 1954. Don't forget that Japan didn't surrender until ten days after Hiroshima.

If you're referring to the mentions of there being difficulties in supplies during BS1 because "there's a war on" that actually refers to the Rapture Civil War. If you trust the wiki, the timeline only shows building beginning in 1945. Its source is a dated audio diary in BaS, which I don't really consider canon though.

>>693346810
Again- I don't recall any references to this in the games themselves, they all say or imply that Ryan began it in 1945.
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I'm sorry, Sinclair.......
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>>693346873
What was Sofia Lamb doing in Hiroshima? Was she a captured war nurse or something?
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>>693346448
>you aren't meant to see
No, you get a pretty good look at it. Always stuck in my mind because of how poor a job they did of covering up the Splicer face.
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>>693346924
She lived there and was a missionary evidently. One of the weakest parts of her backstory IMO.
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>>693330509
>talks about a game he didn't play for no reason
Was OP just retarded?
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>>693346873
Automatically you have to see the chronological problem. The Sinker is known to be used the entire time through the construction process of the city and was only laid down towards the end when they no longer needed the constant lowering and lifting of material and personnel, so it cannot become permanently moored until the original layout is ready for completion.

This leads to a continuity issue between either 1945 or 1947
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>Alexander is turned into a mutant
>Alex asks you to kill him
>Game treats this as a bad thing
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>>693347219
I think it's just a case of them never really having a solid date until after BS2 is already underway and the book has to have a solid chronology, at which point they backronized it into being 1945 that it begins and 1947 that it's complete. I don't think it's safe to assume that Rapture was in any form of construction before 1944 though; that seems kind of implausible to me. Just one of those game things really. Not that it matters a lot; Rapture is stuck chronologically in the late 1940s with the visual stylings of the 1920s-1930s aspirational art deco (it's based on the 1939 world's fair iirc) and that's all that matters.
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>>693346873
nta but I'm not sure I'd base any argument or conversation on a fan wiki not that you're wrong but it's not a good source
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>>693347437
It's all I have at hand rn beyond copy-pasting bits from the book, which that anon said he doesn't count either. I'm being polite because that anon is but their entire basis is feels rather than any citation-- the only hard dates available say 1945, so.
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>>693331989
libertarianism is no different to classic liberalism
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>>693347396
You're probably right, and I did only include 1943 to give some possible leeway. I'll say though, I could have sworn to remember something from one of the games about Ryan intentionally building or starting to build during WWII because it served as a good cover or distraction from the logistics of a city being built.

And that, subsequently, the atomic bomb was just a solidification of what he already believed and was already doing, and necessitated full separation from the surface world.
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>>693347591
hes just wanted to rant about jews anon, ignore him
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>>693347620
Nah, I thiiiink the novel mentions he's been squirreling stuff away for this purpose but he full on begins after Hiroshima. Again- I'm working off the novel because it actually goes *into* this and the only other places that make reference are sparse. There's even a bit in the novel where he gets investigated by some glowies because they think he might be financing enemy efforts, or evading export taxes or something.
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>>693347695
If nothing else, BaS dropped the fucking ball because there's no mf-ing way he was buying up enough aluminum to build a city during or even shortly after the war.
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>>693347872
Yeah, the novel makes it clear he was prepping to build something like Rapture for a long time, and had been buying up patents and scientists to build unique alloys and glass mixtures to make Rapture possible. It goes into a lot of detail about the nature of the construction of the city and it's probably the strongest part of the book. I highly suggest reading it if you're into Bioshock, it's a good read.
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Rapture still could have worked if Ryan had been willing to play by his own rules. But as soon as he wasn't going to be in charge, he started going back on everything he supposedly stood for, showing it was really just about control in the end. Little Russian boy trying to feel safe. It's tragic in a way. Not as tragic as the based construction engineer dying
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>>693347941
I would love to, but I can't read. Is there an audio book version available?
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>>693348141
I have no idea- I have an epub version and I have a physical version on the way (inspired by this thread, since it was like 3 bucks).
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>>693348058
None of that was necessary if they just did what Sinclair said. Guys like Fontaine who simply wanted to burn everything down to be king of the ashes, would naturally come along now and then, it's just part of the human condition/society. Rather than trying to play the same rules as everyone with them however, they needed to just be (quietly) killed off when they cropped up and became a problem.

Kind of like that quote "the tree of liberty needs to be watered now and then..."
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>>693331267
>>693344532
early life section
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>>693348058
That's just Objectivism, a way for traumatized people to give themselves power by appealing to maximum liberty while using some other ace in the hole like wealth or influence to fill the gap left by government
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>>693334040
>Ryan, in distress after killing his mistress, upon crossing paths with Sinclair
>"...the bastard looked me dead in the eye, and suggested I make an appointment with Dr. Lamb."

lol

lmao even

so fucking based, what a madlad Sinclair was, constantly trolling and clowning on Ryan
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>>693331703
She looks and sounds annoying, but of course I'll buy it.
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>>693347290
What was that about? It’s bad to kill someone that was mutated into a hideous monster that wanted to die? It would have been crueler to let him live.
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>>693348264
It's all bullshit anyways, as if these people who made bioshock know jack shit about what works and does not in society. There are no lessons to be learned here, it's not a history book. People should stop acting like movies and games can teech you anything usefull, it's propaganda for whatever the creator believes, always.
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>>693348828
Simple video game kill bad spare good, I think that's why they let you get one "bad" deed in before you get the bad ending
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>>693348828
He didn't want to die, he begs you not to kill him. It's his past self that is asking you to kill his future self, but in the present he doesn't want to die
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>>693349010
His present self isn’t sane.
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>>693331703
Zero. Absolutely everything you love about Bioshock was the result of people under Ken (like most prominently guys like Jordan Thomas, Hogarth de la Plante, and JP LeBreton) being more competent and more invested in the idea of making something interesting. Ken was well-known to be an irascible ideas guy with basically no tact nor actual talent, he was just very good at interfacing with the suits. Case in point, everything he did flying relatively solo (most of Infinite's plot, BaS) is utter dogshit and written by reading Wiki synopses of ideas and then pasting them in wholesale.

Proof? The major talent behind BS1's feel left for 2K Marin after BS2 and that's why BS2 feels like an actual sequel, while Irrational went hell for leather into the Infinite mines. Yes. Infinite began development -in 2007-. It took that long. There was a literal technique called "Ken Whispering" they had to practice in the Irrational offices, where basically they would bullshit Ken and shine a light up his ass to make him feel good and agree to greenlight simple shit, since he had an incredibly stagnant sense of top-down leadership that involved no delegation and lots of random "wouldn't it be cool if the players could kill chipmunks" ideas coming down from on high. He got so high off his own ass gas after BS1, a game he wasn't around for most of the development for.

Even more proof-- yes, it's Polygon, but come on:
https://www.polygon.com/2014/3/6/5474722/why-did-irrational-close-bioshock-infinite

I still want to fuck Tenenbaum so goddamned bad. I just want to grab her pillowy asscheeks and bury my face in it like a stack of pancakes. I want to eat her pussy like a Grand Slam at Denny's. I want to grab her big fat milkers and shake them like Jello. FUCK.
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>>693349054
He's just a little unhinged, you would be too if you turned into a giant aquatic octo-fetus thing
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>>693349096
>The major talent behind BS1's feel left for 2K Marin after BS2
Fuck. I meant to saythey left for 2K Marin after BS1, to go make BS2, because Ken did NOT want to make BS2 (and he tried to torpedo it at every turn, which he succeeded with in the marketing angle of things by being very hands-off and casting a bad light on it when people talked to him about it at conventions, and of course BaS).
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>>693331989
Based knower. Libertarians are retards following a Jewish idealogy.
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>>693349096
Sounds like Druckman and LOU1
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>>693330509
I want to take sidelocks off:
https://youtu.be/WUeBKC-1oaY?si=xYkYIpPQF4q48ctq
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I haven't really played it much but the game always seemed a bit weird with how it seems like death isnt really punishment at all.
Why not just save all your material and just endlessly throw your body at enemies until they die? You don't have to use your resources.
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>>693349246
Basically the exact same trajectory, yes. Auterism in the game industry is something is sorely missed when it's lacking, but when the auteur is a cunt it gets bad, and when he's a retard ontop of that it gets unsolvable. A counterpill to this is Harvey Smith with Dishonored, Deus Ex, and System Shock and Rafael Colantino with Prey and Arkane's other works -- both very auter-driven guys whom could also work with a team and defer to those beneath them.

Funnily enough, Warren Spector worked on most of Harvey Smith's best games and takes the majority of credit for them despite being, by his own words, ridiculously hands off on all of them. He's listed as a "producer" for a reason. A lot of these auteurs do not actually end up designing the game itself, they manage and design the PROJECT to produce the game, maybe write plot outlines or curate concepts, and then people blow smoke up their asses and make them think they can write and everything melts the fuck down. These things are collaborative and yet people really love to point to one main man.

And I know someone will probably bring up that Prey/Dishonored are wokepoz propaganda etc etc-- what the fuck ever, those games are well-made as games and concrete experiences, and Infinite sure as fuck isn't, so I consider them successful no matter what political shit you wanna spit down my neck.

I want to drink Tenenbaum's pussyjuice like neat bourbon.
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I love how racist Bioshock is as a series, it probably all comes from Levine subconsciously adding all these racial elements into everything because he can't help it. Suchong in particular is hilarious.
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>>693349583
Ken is hysterically racist and has been since System Shock 2. He straight up voices a stereotypical hispanic mechanic in that with what can only be described as a "beaner voice".
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>>693349520
That's what a lot of people do, wrench only isn't a meme it's actually a fun challenge if you're good enough
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>>693349096
>bullshit Ken and shine a light up his ass to make him feel good and agree to greenlight simple shit, since he had an incredibly stagnant sense of top-down leadership that involved no delegation and lots of random "wouldn't it be cool if the players could kill chipmunks" ideas coming down from on high. H
Ive had bosses like this, once you figure out how to work them you're actually in a decent place since they barely check on you and will forget half of their bullshit requests by the time youve finished doing actual work.
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>>693349635
Yeah, that voxophone was the part where I really started to notice it in the first game.
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>>693349702
I've been under that kind of boss too, and it is kind of great in that regard, but if you're working toward a goal and you end up needing logistical help it is a fucking nightmare. If it's work you can just fire-and-forget it's great but when accountability or demands come knocking, you are fucked because you are serving under a penis who cannot organize a piss-up in a brewery.
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>>693349687
That's why the real challenge is wrench only, no plasmids and no respawns
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>>693331989
>>693347591
>>693334439
Libertarianism was basically invented by Murray Rothbard who retroactively took the economic positions of the free trade anti-corn law league (Cobden, Bright etc.) from Victorian Britain and applied them to 20th century US, which is a completely different political context, and the result is a strange chimera.
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>>693349583
>Suchong in particular is hilarious.
picking up a suchong audiolog was always a great
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>>693349687
idk that just doesnt seem that fun. it seems like all tension is removed knowing you just spawn 20 feet away and never have to manage your resources
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Welcome to the Circus of Values
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>>693346443
OI BEGORRAH
MOIRA AND ME BLEEDIN NIPPERS
ALL BLOWN TO BLEEDIN SMITHEREENS
OILL GET YE FOR THIS RYAN YA FECKIN PLANTPOT
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>>693350060
>KILL YOUR FRIENDS
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>>693330509
>OI YA GOTTA HELP ME THE BLOODY SPLOICERS HAVE KIDNAPPED ME MOIRA!!!!!
fucking pikey haha
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>>693330509
He's a typical paddy, its really that simple.
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Suchong was a pretty based mad scientist. he just smacks those loli abominations around when they start annoying the shit out of him.
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>>693344436
Played the trilogy on PS4, didn't have issues except Infinite kept infinitely spawning an enemy encounter until I retried checkpoint, but you should skip Infinite anyway since it sucks dog knot.



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