Correct

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>>695167779
He's not wrong.

>Merrill is dumb
>Anders is a possessed lunatic
>Isabela betrays you for an imaginary boat
Why is Fenris so much better than every other romance option?

>>695167779
Well, literally every single cataclysm in DA has been caused by mage including the fact the only deity like characters reveleade so far being evil mages

Really?

>entire story is about people being racist against mages
>except Hawke lost their home and sibling to darkspawn(caused by mages)
>and half the enemies you fight are demons(caused by mages)
>and your mom is killed by a serial killer mage
>and the head mage guy was in contact with that guy
>and the only reason the head templar woman goes crazy is magic bullshit(red lyrium and anders nuking the city)
fuck the templars, the qunari are right about mages

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Hawke loves his gay husband Anders.

>>695167779
I hated so Fenris so much

>>695171510
To be fair with every subsequent game they just show how right the modern thedas person is in being racist against elves and mages

>>695171373
Actually as of Veilguard every bad thing in the DA universe can be traced back to elves, which justifies the racism against them

>>695170474
This mf raped and tortured hawkers mom right in front of him and you never found out

>>695171879
yeah but the elves were basically spirit mages, but I guess spirits could already innately access magic or something? Still mages

>>695171118
Merrill did nothing wrong

>>695172202
>lemme just kill my entire tribe in a dangerous blood magic mirror ritual

>>695172392
better
>there's entire lore of my people showing and proving that fucking with magic causes trouble everytime no matter if normal or blood magic
>blood amgic guarantees that you'll fuck up 100%
>not a single evidence of blood magic not fucking shit up even once
Merril moment
>bbut this time I'll do it the correct way without causing trouble!
some time later
>nooo i wiped my entire tribe how could that happen

the only blood mage that can do shit without trouble is player character, but it's still mostly about gameplay part

>before playing DA2
It's time to give mages a chance at self governance and to lift the templar's boot off their necks
>after playing DA2
We need more boots.

>>695171510
the blight was caused by elves

>>695167779
Bad writing aside, mages are good desu

>>695173689
*Elf mages.

>>695171118
demons are just like any other spirit chud

>>695174283
And like any other spirit, fucking around with them is a terrible idea.

>>695173603
Pretty much. The mages in Ferelden are fairly sympathetic, but the mages in Kirkwall are in dire need of a kicking.

>>695167779
I remember not paying much mind to Anders in my first playthrough so I was shocked he blew up that church

>>695174975
Pay attention next time, you'll see him losing more and more of himself to the demon.

>>695174505
>The mages in Ferelden are fairly sympathetic
Even in Origins half of them went out of their way to become abominations and blood mages and tried to murderfuck their way out of the tower

>>695175560
A handful of conspirators with tacit approval of outside forces to destabilize the region. Most aboms you see were forcibly created.

>>695175560
Most of the Circle tried to stop them, and died in the attempt. As opposed to Kirkwall, where the closest thing the mage side has to a voice of reason is a templar who leads a kidnapping plot, and gets murdered by a blood mage so he won't stand in the way of her revenge against Hawke.

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>>695170474
>Elf mage inexplicably creates a flesh golem, something only known to a Dwarven thaig that was lost after inventing them
?Bioware was so strapped for time with this game they just started pulling old assets from Origins DLCs for boss fights

>>695175960
he probably learned about it from that lunatic serial killer mage
if he managed to track down old ancient necomancing magic then why not track down old dwarven magical shit

>>695175960
He was sharing notes with a psychopath who'd been experimenting with flesh-grafting magicks for years in an attempt to recreate his dead wife out of involuntary donors.

>>695174505
You have to look at it based off of the different mage fraternities. The Circle in Ferelden was a majority Aequitarians so they believe in not being retarded 24/7 and using their magic ethically. Retards like Anders are with the Libertarians.

>>695176305
>mage fraternities
Man remember when the series had complex internal politics

>>695172202
>killed lots of elves
>bred with a human (genetically human offspring)
Yeah I'm thinking she did nothing wrong

>>695167779
man DA2 comanions were so much better and memorable than DAO
i only liked Wynn and Leliana in DAO but in DA2 i liked everyone except that whore Isabella

>>695176410
No.
So anyway, I'm non binary.

>>695176445
Actual bait.

>>695176305
Maybe so, but they hardly do much better in Inquisition. Despite Alistair granting them asylum, being one of the few monarchs in Thedas who doesn't particularly care for the Templar order, they sign themselves away to Tevinter and overthrow the Arl of Redcliffe, himself uncle to the King.

>>695175560
Most of the mages were forcibly turned into abominations by Uldred.

>>695167779
I remember thinking Fenris looked like a silly anime twink when DA2 came out. But now he looks like a creepy 40 year old lurking around backstage at the Panic! At the Disco reunion show

Warden was a Mage.
Hawke was a Mage.
Inquisitor was a Mage.
Rook was a Mage.
I'm sorry but 'tis true.
Imagine being a non mage in a setting where the only characters with actual godlike powers are mages.

>>695176785
That's basically how Bioware fans see themselves vs how everyone else sees them.

>>695176578
Morrigan is garbage character, am sorry you have shit taste

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>>695176578
We love Bethany here

>>695176854
Well, most Bioware fans who started with Origins are legit in their 30s by now, some 40s

>>695176976
That doesn't count, everyone loves Bethany. Fucking Fenris loves Bethany.

>>695176960
this
she belongs behind the counter at hot topic

>>695176976
built for Big Templar Cock, and during all her years at the cirle she did fill every hole of her body with hot thick Templar semen

>>695177058
im a 20-something zoomzoom who didnt touch dragon age before 2023 outside of a demo of da2 when i was a teenager

>>695177058
I'm in my 20s and KOTOR was my first Bioware experience

>>695177141
Stop that.

>695176960
Your bait remains the same.

>>695177058
am also in my 20's and DAO was my first and unlike the nostalgia blinded oldfags i think 2 and Inquisition are better than Origins
contrarians and posers can go fuck themselves

>>695176838
With enough magical gemstones jammed into every empty socket you can find a warrior can very easily become godlike

>>695172392
she didn't, the keeper did

>>695177210
>>695177178
Yeah but if you started with Origins at release as a teen you'd definitely be in your early 30s at least by now, for the old guard that actually played all ME games as well etc.
KOTOR for example was released literally 21 years ago, hell even if you were a 10 year old literal child then you'd be 30+ now

>>695177312
There's no way 2 is better, game was rushed into oblivion, I can see some liking Inquisition better however.

>>695176305
Anders in Awakening even says it's stupid to completely break away from the Chantry when you talk to Wynne

why hasnt a company come in and stolen biowares dominance of the cinematic sexo rpg format?
based on this thread and many other interactions with biodrones that seems to be the primary draw to their games, and yet only larian has even attempted perversion on the bioware rpg scale

>>695177621
high risk high reward

>>695177621
Well considering the state of Bioware EA might hand out the Dragon Age and Mass Effect IPs to one of their other vassal states but expect them to still be shit

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>>695177621
Spiders has always done bioware lite clone games with barely any budget, only with Greedfall did they get their first big success so perhaps with Greedfall 2 coming next year they'll make a name for themselves
And their games have also always had romance including with Morrigan clone characters but no actual "explicit" sex (which was never a thing in Bioware games too besides blue alien ass tier scenes)

>>695177621
It's actually hard to be that extremely mediocre and still sell games.

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>>695177621
CDProject Red was having a go at it in the earlier days of the Witcher series, but they seem to have abandoned that angle.

>>695177443
2 had better plot better characters better quests and as for the gameplay i think it's a tie with DAO, on the downside 2 was more simplistic and removed many RPG mechanics but they also improved the combat
DAO was great but even shit like the iconing ''lighting the torch scene'' or the landsmeet reach the kino level of the Qunari all out war in the end of Act 2 or the shit that goes down in the end of Act 3

also for a rushed game DA2 was impressive at how it had a stable release with no bugs or peformance issues compared to DAO

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>being racist to Elves is bad!
>current release makes Elves responsible for everything bad
>being racist against Mages is bad!
>Mages are literally responsible for everything bad in several games
Literally and unironically what the fuck story is bioware trying to tell?

>>695178040
That wizards have no sense of right and wrong.

>>695177858
they never managed to capture the same feeling in the witcher. it just feels like you're playing as a dirty old lecher stacking up his bodycount, whereas in bioware games it feels like you're picking out your character's canon supermodel wife

>>695177778
Bound By Flame is Spiders's best game, a shame we didn't get a sequel but that fucking turd Mars: War Logs got one (the Technomancer)

>>695178040
BioWare was getting flak for this even before Veilguard. I remember when the truth about Red Crossing came out during Inquisition showed the elves were equally responsible and the fandom lost it. Gaider himself at some point said he regretted using real life influence for elven oppression - I bet it's part of why each game spent less time with city elves.

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>>695178205
Still hate the fact the game hints multiple big bads but you only fight one
I can dismiss it due to their shitty budget though but still quite blueballed
Also I found Greedfall's OST to be highly forgettable which is disappointing considering the guy behind it also did most of their games including Bound By Flame and the Obscure PS2 games, and is quite godly in general so dunno what went wrong

>>695177858
Witcher 3 and CP2077 both went the Inquisition angle of letting you choose your romance but only in the context of an already established character

>>695177778
I see Greedfall in every big sale and always decide against picking it up based on the reviews

>>695177951
>as for the gameplay i think it's a tie with DAO
>they also improved the combat
You can't be serious. DAO wasn't a masterpiece or anything but absolutely no thought whatsoever went into DA2's systems

>>695178394
It's a decent RPG.
Nothing special for sure but good to pass the time especially if getting it for cheap now on sales.

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reminder that Fenris/Leto chose that life

>>695178485
The force mechanic was kind of fun for knocking bad guys around.

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>>695178313
funny enough aren't Dragon Age Elves based on jews.

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I'm mad Varric didn't get to finally stay with Bianca

>>695178331
in the ending credits this undead faggot when he narrates the tale on the book he's reading or whatever he does hint at a sequel
i believe Spiders was planning at making the sequel after The Technomancer which was a sequel to the game that came our before Bound By Flame but for whatever reason they decided to stop copying Bioware and instead copy fucking Piranha, well it worked for them Greedfall was a sucess.... and they followed it by a fucking souls-like slop that flopped kek

>>695178670
I'm mad surface dwarves have been our companions for 3 fucking games straight

Have the dwarves ever gotten to do anything of note in this setting?

>>695178745
>they followed it by a fucking souls-like slop that flopped kek
what the fuck where they thinking

>>695178785
golems

>>695178659
Yeah the alienages clearly have jewish ghetto influence.
Hence the distancing as the franchise goes on.
The Qunari also were called "extreme muslim borg" (or something to that effect) at some point and they've been getting retconned/rewritten all over the place from game to game.

>>695178785
Nope. Despite having the best lore by far, they've always been a sidenote in the series.

I love anti mages so much. I will play a templar in every game that lets me

>>695178578
To give his mother and sister freedom. Just as she chose to squander it.

>>695178895
DA2 was the peak of the qunari. Origins laid the groundwork but 2 was where it all came together and we saw how absolutely batshit they really were. Then they became gay in Inquisition and even gayer in Veilguard. I hate Iron Bull

>>695178785
Eternal lyrium (((merchants))) that gave power first to tevinter, than to chantry and templars
otherwise, too small to be relevant, considering there are only 2 city states left after first blight

>>695178895
only in Veilguard
Inquisition Bull clearly spells out how the Qun controls every part of your life and even mindbreak people

>>695178985
2 introduced quirky qun following Felicia Day elf - it's not off the hook here.

>>695179061
Isn't she an incompetent idiot willfully misinterpreting her orders, to the point where she was ejected from the Ben-Hassrath and reassigned as a laborer before running off on an ill-advised attempt to redeem herself by dragging the only basalit-an she's heard of into an international incident?

>>695178040
Pattern recognition is still racism and racism is worse than genocide

>>695178331
speaking of the OST it's a crime no one uploaded all of it to Jewtube, this one here is my favorite if there is one thing Bound By Flame did better than Dragon Age it's the music

https://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/bound-by-flame/058%2520-%2520Music%2520Lvl%2520130%2520Explo%252001%252002.mp3

oh by the way Marthas 100% fucked children he did say he experienced all kinds of kinks lol not even tranime JRPG's have pedo party members

>>695178659
Best part is that now the elves are responsible for pretty much everything.

>>695178485
the fast action combat of 2 was better than the snozefest slow MMO shit in Origins

>>695179061
I never played any of 2's DLCs because it would mean playing more of 2

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>>695179280
>Not even tranime JRPG's have pedo party members
Never heard of Drakengard, then?

>>695171510
>hey meridith I'm down to slaughter mages
>*meridith goes full retard and attacks you*
>hey mage guy I'm down to defend you from the templars
>*goes full monster retard & turns on you*
Its like they intentionally made the ending as dumb as possible.

>>695179286
trannyguard is shit and non-canon

>>695167779
im still mad at orsino

>>695179361
Legacy's alright, but Mark of the Assassin is painfully cringe throughout. The gear you get from it is fantastic, though.

>>695179361
legacy is good, assassin is pure and utter shite

>>695179403
Sad that this is the only possible redemption for the series at this point. Well, retconning a game or just letting the property die I guess

>>695179336
This, I pressed the button & something awesome happened 30 billion times per spongy enemy & they did us a solid & made more enemies appear out of thin air to extend the awesome every fight.

>>695179061
Felicia did nothing wrong, and her DLC was better than the ''The Deep Roads Return of The Slop'' DLC

>>695167779
This guy gave me such out of place vibes but i couldn't tell what it was.
It only dawned on me years later that this guy was suppose to be an anime shoujo character for women but they fucked him so bad he looks like a middle-eastern street food vendor.

>>695175960
They also went on record to say that he wasn't supposed to use blood magic if you supported the mages but the retarded devs thought there weren't enough crappy boss battles so they enforced the fight

>>695167779
>moves into mansion with garbage everywhere
>years pass
>theres still trash everywhere
Didn't help his anti slavery position.

>>695179513
Well, BioWare already wrote off Andromeda and its planned sequels to do something completely different with the next game, why not Veilguard?

>>695179542
Corypheus was kino, especially if you take your sibling and Anders

>>695178985
Iron Bull just feels like a fetish character. Like he's only there for sex, and it grosses me out.

>>695175960
dude Orsino was in cahoots with the blood mage that killed Hawke's mom and turned her into a frankenstein onahole

>>695179369
i still have to play this game but i heard about this pedo dude but isn't it censored in the western release or something?

>>695179770
no, Iron Bull goes into details about life in the Qun
he explains about the qunari KGV and how they "reeducate people"
you can actually ask him how would life be under the qun, he outright says which companions would be outright killed

>>695178985
For as much love as the Arishok got I remember largely feeling disappointed at how the Qunari largely don't seem to do much.
When talking with Sten he made it seem like the Qunari were a near unstoppable military force and I'd assume if they were to recover something they'd conquer the land and shift through the ashes for what they want.
Only for the Arishok to mostly sit on his butt cuz a whore stole a book. And when the Qunari finally take over the city it lasts like half a day. The character was cool (his VA was great) and in retrospect he's better then what we got later but I didn't much care for it at the time. I'd replay to see if my opinion changes but I don't really want to go through DA2 again.

>>695178985
Qunari are just orcs...

>>695179672
Andromeda will be way easier to ignore since it was sealed off from everything else in the mass effect universe.

>>695180024
the Qunari mostly fight Tevinter

>>695179697
>Corypheus was kino
the only good thing about that sloppy DLC
the Assassin DLC was simply superior, /v/chuds hated it because of their silly grudge against the woman Felicia was based on

>>695180076
I didn't know orcs were islamic.

>>695180076
qunari are islamic communist turks
and Tevinter is byzantium

>>695179858
Yes. In the original, he's a homosexual pedophile who went into the woods to jerk off (so he wouldn't feel the urge to do anything to his younger brothers), only to find his home in ruins when he returned, his family slaughtered by the Empire. After failing to commit suicide, he underwent a pact with an obnoxious fairy, losing his eyesight in the process, and joined Caim's quest in the hope that it would get him killed. Of course, the American release heavily downplayed this, alluding to his motives in only the vaguest terms. The only really concrete holdover of his depravity is the way he shudders when the eternally-youthful child party member Seere hugs him before his death.

>>695180196
who do you think orcs were based on?

>>695180145
>against the woman Felicia was based on
who was she based on

>>695178040
elves and mages are also responsible for everything good. it's kinda like saying white people are bad because they're the most destructive but they also make the most innovative discoveries that change the world.

>>695179785
>>695176159
Hey wait where is it said that the serial killer was butt buddies with Orsino

>>695180346
>they're the most destructive
muslims enslaved more people than whites ever did
chinks killed more people than whites ever did

>>695180024
the Arishok with only few hundred Qunaris managed to wreck havok all over Kirkwall and the city didn't recover from the damage after all the time they passed and they never will because of what Anders did later
so can you imagine what the proper Quanri army can do? all of the human kingdoms will have to form an alliance to fight them off

>>695180415
The blood mage has a note in his lair from someone covering his tracks signed "O" and in one of the ending Orsino himself says he learned stuff from him (I think the templar ending - it's been so long).

>>695178040
okay but how does raping city elves fix anything

>>695178205
>Bound By Flame is Spiders's best game
Shill it to me pls

>>695180415
Not sure about the Mage path, but on the Templar path, he'll boast that he got the blood ritual uses to become a harvester from Quentin, the mage who kidnapped and mutilated Leandra Amell. Hawke can confront him for working alongside a murderous lunatic, and Bethany (if she's around) will immediately side with Hawke out of horror at the revelation.

>>695180494
>can you imagine what the proper Quanri army can do?
Yes because I've seen what a double blight can do and was unimpressed

>>695180494
>the city didn't recover from the damage after all the time they passed
But it never felt like it. Kirkwall in Act 3 feels the same as it does the whole game.

>>695180325
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1866426/

she is the originator of all the ''women in their 20's/30's playing RPG's and always roleplaying as an Elf character'' shit you see today

>>695180201
>islamic communist turks
All the crap you listed are mutually exlusive, except islamic turks, the fuck anon

>>695180145
No, I hated it because the character wasn't nearly as endearing as the writers seemed to think, and largely spent her time onscreen (which was considerable) making "wacky" comments or pontificating about the Qun in ways that made it obvious that she was talking out of her ass. The stealth minigame was also incredibly lame.

>>695180624
a Dragon Age clone but it's an action RPG and much smaller in scope + the good old Eurojank
it has a bootleg system to that Karma shit in Fable games where picking good/bad choices will
have drastic changes on you
if you every find yourself playing it GO WITH THE ROGUE BUILD seriously it's more enjoyable not to mention it's nigh impossible to defeat the final boss if you go with the warrior build

>>695180951
no it's not
the qun is a miliant religion like islam but also an social-economic model like communism

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>>695167779
She's perfect tho
I want to stick my dick in crazy

>>695180201
>>695180951
Qunari are niggers
in the first game Sten looked like a nigger and behaved like one
but in 2 the Qunari were retconned into this Tatar/Mongol horde following some kind of strict hardcore Buddhist way of life

>>695180317
niggers
>>695180346
White people did the green revolution so retarded savages who were going extinct not only survived but thrived & whites also did colonialism giving savages technology they wouldn't have created on their own without ascending. They then went on to directly feed & breed savages while ethnically cleansing themselves. The world is poisoned by chemicals they created & the superpowers that will take their place are even less inclined to be good stewards of the planet. The legacy of whites will be savagery, decay & the destruction of the environment.
That 'good' that whites did was like getting high off of crack in that it didn't last long & lead to horrific longterm consequences.

>>695181321
She's not crazy, anon, she's just stupid.

>>695167779
Tattooed Elven men.... sexy.

>>695177141
Especially Carver's (they practiced a lot)

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>>695181389
shut up whore

>>695181354
>niggers
i don't remember the part where subsaharan africans went around raiding european villages

>>695181468
Imagine her ginger bush :drool:

>>695181254
Neither turks nor islam lend themselves well to communism

>>695181468
>the only decent girl in your party who's not a whore or autistic is not romancable
fuck you Bioware

>>695181612
She's your big sister figure, anon. It'd be weird.

>>695181549
>i don't remember the part where subsaharan africans went around raiding european villages

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_conquest_of_Britain

Reminder that Isabela goes to Anders for STD healing and he tells her to fuck off

>>695181709
Romans werent black

>>695181321
>>695181364
>goes too far and gets possed by a lust demon
>amazon presses Hawke to breeding creampies several times nightly
>no more adventures
>but way more sex

>>695181771
yes they were
Africa is named after the Black Roman hero Scipio Africanus who liberated the continent from the foreign Semitic invaders (Carthage) making all of Africa black again

>>695181765
>Even an abomination won't play gynecologist for Isabela
If there's anything to discourage one from following Isabela's hedonist lifestyle, it's that.

>>695181765
Please show me the dialogue

>>695181598
it's a fantasy world, anon
things work however the authors want them to work

>>695182131
It's at the start of Visiting Anders - you'll walk in on Isabela finishing a visit of her own.
>Anders: Don't come running to me next time you pick up one of these diseases.
>Isabela: Isn't that the point of magic?

>>695181901
in the Legacy DLC Merrill asks Anders for dirty spells

>>695182434
Dildo spell

>>695180076
Darkspawn are the orcs of the setting

>>695181765
Kek

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>>695167779
he was based all along

>>695171510
if you send your sister to the circle, she's really happy. She has fun reading and teaching kids or something.
Based devs were on the Templar's side.

>>695172202
Its ok because she is cute

>>695177386
The keeper had to. Merril was handling it well but a demon like that will always make you pay the price in the end, definitely if you've got some kind of deal with it.


BUT Merrill could have just broke her deal and jumped the demon with the squad. Killing them seems to work perfectly and she is in the Hero's party.

>>695177141
Nog, Hawke bribed guards and Cullen to make sure that didn't happen.

>>695178975
The thing is though the "freedom" in Tevinter is even worse than slavery. At least as a slave, you have a master that can (maybe) protect you from other bloodthirsty assholes.

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Thoughts on Shale, the best and coolest companion?

>>695167779
Does fenris have golden skin? Always thought it looked golden

>>695181468
DA2 had a lot of shit wrong with it but the banter between companions was about as good as Bioware ever got, also Sarcastic Hawke and Varric were absolute bros

>>695185542
She cute

YEs, DA2 was terrible (though it's my favorite one), but like another Anon said, the banter was great.
https://youtu.be/fXf-tjnHhCU?feature=shared

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Imagine being the little brother of Hawke.
>be Carver
>be living in a house full of magic while you don't have any
>father is a badass mage and swordsman
>mother is poise and graceful even in the poorest of conditions
>twin sister and big sister are mages doted on by father who sometimes teaches you swordplay
>Learn later dad didn't want his children as mages, but he sure was happy teaching them
>dad dies and now you're the only man in a house full of titty monsters
>the other villagers call your home the "tiddy shack"
>get into fights when guys lewdly insult your family
>big sister steps in and beats them up for you
>she then fucks them as "punishment"
>tfw everyone in the family and the village love your sister while forgetting about you
>even Peaches
Carver had a hard upbringing.

>>695178394
It's slightly jank, and very reminiscent of the older RPGs. It's combat is soulslike, but not as egregious. if youre immune to jank, i highly recommend it.

>>695181097
>GO WITH THE ROGUE BUILD
Its kinda amazing how gimped the 2h is in the game. its like they didnt even playtest it. still looked cooler if you ask me

>>695185542
underwhelming as a combatant, not bad for a companion. And she was never heard from again... except one single reference in DA2 about pigeon numbers dropping

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>>695177386
Merrill can be a ditz but her clan and keeper were actual dumb ass motherfuckers. Everyone gets themselves killed either running away from her in fear or going out of their way to start a fight they can't win while cursing her and blaming her for everything. Her blood magic wasn't directly responsible for any of them getting hurt.

>>695185820
isnt that a mage hawke? that dash over her nose means she uses blood magic, right? because of the intro cinematic?

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FUCK THE CHANTRY!
FUCK THE TEMPLARS!
FUCK THE GREY WARDENS!
FUCK THE GUARDS!
MAKER BLESS MAGES WITH FREEDOM!

>>695185820
Dalish Warden really did get the worst of all worlds, worst origin by an enormous factor, clan plays large role in the sequel but all turn out to be raving retards, it's no wonder the Warden never came back

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>>695185956
>that dash over her nose means she uses blood magic, right
All the Hawkes have a nutella smear.

>>695185320
The issue there is that with Hawke Merrill and company had already dealt with demons before. The keeper just commit suicide and then didn't even tell her clan what she was doing so she left Merrill to take the blame for murder while claiming she was protecting her.

>>695185542
Great banter.

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>>695186046
>angry at templars for denying mage freedoms and backing them into a corner
>proceeds to instigate a war that paints mages as the villains and forces them all to be backed into a corner
Man I hated Anders.

>>695186690
A war was coming anyways. He thought speeding it up instead of waiting was for the best.

>>695186767
Sure but he didn't even target the people directly responsible for their oppression. He could have taken out Meredith and lead an uprising. Instead he bombed a church and gave a paranoid zealot the justification to start genocide, leading all the mages less capable of defending themselves to slaughter.

>>695186690
>people used to like anders a lot in DLC
>DA2 comes out and everyone hates him
It's a shame. He, justice, and a lot of other characters in the DLC were cool.

>>695186690
He sucks. I played DA2 before Awakening and so I don't even recruit that idiot

>>695186998
To be honest, having a spirit in you (especially one who embodies a concept full of passion) would warp you into an extreme.

>>695186767
He wasn't thinking right because he was an abomination. He was possessed

desu all this veilguard shitposting makes me want to play the first 3 again

>>695187042
And warp the spirit in turn until it's unrecognizable. Becoming an abomination was the worst thing that could have happened to either of them.

>>695187103
I just wrapped up a series replay myself.
>First game is buggier than I remembered, but still fun
>Second game has grown on me slightly, despite the copypasted bullshit
>Third game is still a huge fucking drag, but Trespasser is really good

>>695187121
That's what happens when you mix the static form of a spirit with the chaotic mood swings of humans.

>>695186690
He knew war was inevitable, so in his view all the suffering mages were enduring in the meantime was pointless - remember, spirits have problems with the perception of time, so they want to address all their problems immediately. The question needed to be resolved and once it was, the mages would be free or they would be dead.

>>695186974
>He could have taken out Meredith and lead an uprising. Instead he bombed a church and gave a paranoid zealot the justification to start genocide, leading all the mages less capable of defending themselves to slaughter.
That's exactly his plan. He doesn't just want the Kirkwall circle to be free, he wants the abolition of all the Circles everywhere even if the Kirkwall mages are slaughtered to make it happen, though obviously he prefers if this is not the case. He knows that if he overthrows Meredith and leads a Mage uprising it'll just lead to being repudiated by the other Circle mages, even the libertarians, so he acts in a way to provoke Meredith into an overreaction because that's what turns what would've been dismissed as a regional act of terrorism into a conflict that shatters the Circles. It's not him bombing the Chantry that drives the other mages to rebel, it's the fact that Meredith chooses to annul the rest of the Kirkwall Circle over the actions of a mage who was completely unrelated to them - Hawke and Anders can even specifically point out to her that the real culprit is right in front of her, but by then she's too far gone to even care.

The fact that Templars had this ultimate right to execute entire Circles essentially at a whim and in Kirkwall's case did so even when there was no justification in doing so was what made the other Circles realise how bad things were.

>>695187548
Fair enough but,

>mages would be free or they would be dead.
mostly dead though

>>695187709
Unfortunately for everyone, Vengeance was insane enough to consider either outcome acceptable.

>>695187548
War wasn't inevitable. They already had the Mage wars with Tevinter to humble humanity and make the danger of mages clear.
They can make peaceful changes and compromises on both sides. The Circles are already a compromise for both parties. They don't need another war.

>>695187824
The thing is though Kirkwall was a powder keg waiting to explode. And having a large rip in the Veil so large that there was competition between demons to possess people that many went to possess non-mages should tell you something big was bound to happen.

>>695173392
To be fair the player character uses orobably some of the lowest level, tamest blood magic there is. the most extreme is puppeteering enemies, the most tame being using blood as a substitute for mana.. to cast regular non-blood magic

>>695176838
Hawke being a mage should not have been an option.
It's so fucking stupid that the leader of the Templars in that city runs into you during an attack, recognizes you as a mage, and doesn't try to arrest you during or after the event.

>>695188120
She wants to imprison Hawke immediately after the Qunari are nullified, but the people love Hawke too much to do so. S/he has too much power by then.

>>695188120
if memory serves by the time that happened Hawke had enough clout in the city to protect against it, and you did enough work for Meredith directly and indirectly that she couldn't toss you in the circle without losing the only useful person in the entire city

>>695167779
Thats why I pair him with mage Hawke (female)

>>695187709
At least then the situation would have been resolved. In his view the current system wasn't just not working, it was worse than death - lifelong slavery where mages were constantly at risk of being abused and tortured, and at any time could be executed by the Templars regardless of how obedient or rebellious they'd been. That's why he provokes the Annulment; it makes all the other Circles realise that the entire system is predicated upon the Templars holding life-or-death power over every mage when they couldn't (or shouldn't) be entrusted with it.

>>695187824
Debateable. Anders and Vengeance certainly thought it was inevitable, but Vengeance and Justice were spirits who inherently had to resolve conflicts through violence.
>They can make peaceful changes and compromises on both sides. The Circles are already a compromise for both parties. They don't need another war.
Could they? The Circles had evolved far past what they had originally begun as, when they were to protect mages as much as common people. Mages had little more freedoms than they did hundreds of years ago, and what would make the Templars give up some of their power when many of them believed the current system didn't go far enough in restricting mages. Certainly not the Chantry, you can present the Templars and the Grand Cleric with evidence of Templar abuses multiple times across the game and they do nothing - the Grand Cleric even lets Meredith clamp down further. The Seekers are supposed to police the Templars but again, they do nothing until it is far too late and when they do intervene, they initially blame Hawke.

>>695167779
Excuse me, mages are stand in for LGBT people so you can't say that!

>>695178670
the one thing Veilguard did right was kill this fag
the worst thing it did was kill everyone else

>>695188120
Well, during the event, they're dealing with a hostile faith launching a direct assault on the city government, and she needs every warm body she can get. Afterwards, your official status as savior of the city makes any overt action against you political suicide. Even so, when she asks you to handle the three runaway mages, she'll unsubtly threaten you if you're reluctant about it (though if you're cooperative, she'll admit she's glad you can at least agree on dealing with threats to the city).

>>695188374
Weren't the Seekers already compromised by the death cult when things kicked off in Kirkwall? Hence why most of them immediately abandoned the Chantry in order to perpetuate the war, rather than do their jobs and try to prevent it.

>>695188120
By then you're needed to deal with the Qunari and she can't afford to arrest you, and when you defeat the Arishok and are named Champion immediately afterwards she can't touch you because you're beloved by the whole city. Her dialogue in Act III does change to take it into account though, especially if you side with her at the start so you get the quests from her instead of Orsino - if you're combative when you speak to her she'll threaten you (and implicitly Carver) into helping her, but if you're cooperative and agree with her views in dialogue she'll instead say that she's glad you have some sense and are willing to work with her.

It's a bit silly you can run around the city for six years before that, but given it's Varric's story it's something you can excuse. The worst part of Hawke being a mage is being stuck with C*rver

>>695176838
Fun fact, the human mage's family in DAO is cousin to the Hawke family

>>695167779
>spends the entire game hating on mages
>if you don't have enough friendship/rivalry in the endgame he'll side with the Templars
>if you point out that supporting the Circles is tantamount to supporting slavery, since slavery is the one thing in the world he hates more than mages, he'll change his mind and side with you after all
>he even apologies to Meredith for doing so
I love this autistic fuck

>>695167779
Doesn't basically every mage you interact with turn out to be a blood mage?
I just remember that the only reason i didn't side with the Templars was because i was playing a mage myself.

>>695188765
and now they are all dead

>>695175324
you shut the fuck up about justice

>>695189353
>Anders Rivalry +15

>>695188621
I think so, at least in part. It's a little unclear how the timeline of some things works because the games conflict with some stuff from the books. There were a whole bunch of issues, though - a line of Lord Seekers who were either useless or actively working against the Chantry because they wanted to advance their own power, the Seekers in general being unwilling to intervene in anything because half of them agreed with the Templars over the Chantry instead of being impartial. The Seekers should've intervened long before Kirkwall erupted into open war; Meredith was clearly unfit for command of a Circle but there should never have been a Circle in Kirkwall in the first place.
Even at the end of the game, the only reason Cassandra intervenes herself is because she's working for the Divine directly and not the Lord Seeker.

>One of the appeals of Dragon Age's lore is the unsolved mysteries and how many different cultures and religions have different interpretations of the creation myth
>Actually it was all elves
Veilguard did more than have a shit story and characters and combat, it ruined the setting both in the lore and by destroying all the countries we know about too. They went scorched earth and left nothing behind, the series is dead

>>695174975
>consoom demon
>become gay terrorist
POTTERY

>>695189773
Destroyed the crops. Salted the earth.

>>695185542
Honestly wish we had less standard companions like shale(and to a lesser extent dog). DA2s companions at least had the benefit of unique specializations that were at least a bit different from hawke but DAI and veilguard had nothing. And no I'm not counting bianca as a unique mechanic.

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>>695175324
>listening to Anders shit-talk Merrill the entire game for using blood magic
>listen to him shit-talk Fenris the entire game for thinking mages are dangerous
>becomes a literal abomination with a massive civilian body count to prove a point

>>695189773
DA died ten years ago when they lost Gaider and cancelled an immediate sequel to Trespasser, and then again when they cancelled Joplin. Their fumbling Veilguard so badly just shows everyone who was still delusional enough to care about the series to just stop paying attention.

>>695190279
>Anders spends the whole game shittalking Merrill about using blood magic and lecturing her about it
>after Vengeance flips out for the first time, Merrill tells him that there's no such thing as a 'good' spirit, and that she's sorry he didn't realise sooner
She might be autistic and retarded, but she's right

>>695178670
Never really understood why they brought back varric for DAI. As hawke's number 2 it felt weird to have him brought in again but I guess he did round out the dynamic of solas, cass and him as your starter trio. That said I wish they'd budget more than 1 companion for dwarf and qunari. Veilguard had 2 elf companions from different factions with dalish backgrounds, seriously?

>>695171879
Elven MAGES Anon.

>>695185542
my mind is poisoned I saw the chud face in Shale
>Thoughts on Shale, the best and coolest companion?
classic, one of the best companions

>>695190641
It's not retarded if it's right

>>695172202
She literally did everything wrong. Though Hawke calling her a dumbass and then fucking sense into her in the rival romance was pretty based

why was hawke such a failure compared to mage warden?

I would suck off Varric (I'm male and 100% straight btw)

>>695191002
Arcane Warrior is too op

>>695167779
I honestly think the rivalry system in this game was genius. The characters are all retarded and annoying, but the fact you can antagonize them and are even rewarded for it was it amazing.

>>695191176
Ackthually, it's not that good compared to some real crap you can pull as a mage in origins

>>695179372
That mage leader was an absolute turbo faggot who was in cahoots with the serial killer fuck him.

>>695167779
The order dictates

>>695191248
...what do you think i'm talking about?

>>695191248
This, pulling off a Storm of the Century and nothing can live long enough to get into melee range.

>>695191391
Other subclasses can be better, yo

>>695191248
It was busted beyond belief on release, since Shimmering Shield didn't deactivate with no mana so it made you immortal for no downsides. Even patched Arcane Warrior is still incredibly powerful since it gives you some really good passives for no downside beyond taking up a specialization slot. Shapeshifter is the worst specialization by far and Spirit Healer is good but you only need one in a party, so the only reason to make your Warden one is if you don't want Morrigan or Wynne in your party for some reason.

>>695179403
Even if that wasn’t the case this shit was present in inquisition and had been hinted at since the beginning. The knife ears are a bunch of self pitying tear jerkers that slap people and cry out in pain.

>>695191428
Waste of talents. Everything you'll want to use it against will either walk out of it or go after you, either forcing you to nuke yourself or waste all your mana for nothing

>>695191663
>inquisition
get out

>>695179513
The only real solution would be to retcon everything after awakenings.

Storm of the Century and Entropic Death have nothing on a simple death hex and a hasted melee party

>>695191730
Stop being autistic, I don’t like it either but this is the grave they dug.

>>695191553
potions scale with magic so its really just the god stat. best classes and simply spam potions.

>>695191808
All shit compared to just using that one AOE blood magic spell

>>695192074
You forgot to combine it with fireball and virulent walking bomb to destroy fucking everything

>Play Inquisition
>Rush through the Hinterlands asap
>I even installed the mod to get rid of the War Table
>Still bored
How did this win GOTY, it's such a nothing game

>enemy mage
>mana clash
>they die instantly every time

ah yep, they dont make em like they used to..

>>695192131
Those do friendly fire bro just auto attack everything to death

>>695167779
Funny thing Fenris, it turns out that it's actually "elves... Bad"

>>695192237
But he's racist against elves too

>>695192224
have you ever heard of moving your party members out of blast range?

>>695167779
Literally all anti-mysticism is justified.

>>695167779
If this is DAO then yes, I was fucking dangerous. Being a blood bender alone is demi-god power, but still being able to use all my other magic on top of that is just pure death on anything I desire. I was waiting the entire game for the "final battle" to summon my armies, but I just solo'd everything instead and had to summon everything during the final boss because I realized that was it, that was the final battle.

>>695191663
>and had been hinted at since the beginning
Some vague things have been hinted which they clearly didn't plan ahead
The whole Evanuris = Old Gods thing clearly don't match from what we know of both groups in Origins
Only later they start to twist things to make it fit

>>695192168
goty means nothing because reviewers are sellouts.

>>695192351
Your god baby? Yeah, he's just a phylactery for an ancient elf mage. Why is he a dragon? Because fuck you.

>>695192281
But that means pausing the game and issuing commands

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>>695192194
>Templars aren't as good mage killers as mages
Shame
Still I always spec as Templars
Holy Smite is kino and loved killing mages
Out of the many shitty things post Origins, the Templars were hit pretty hard
Shitty redesigned armor
No longer a monastic order
No longer have cool paladin powers
All addicted to magical crack
There's some retarded gay organization called the Seekers that do what you do but better and have authority over you

>>695192547
The crack thing was in 1 too wasn't it

>>695192168
Lack of competition and people really don't understand how much better than the other companies EA is at shilling games
I guarantee that if it wasn't for meme culture, Andromeda would've been a financial success because they would've successfully tricked normalfags into thinking it was good
But the game's obvious flaws got memed so frequently and so hard it poisoned the well

>>695192471
good thing you don't have to worry about it anymore, he canonically doesn't exist and Morrigan canonically drank from the Well of Sorrows

>>695192586
Nope, lyrium was used as a means of control by the Chantry, it wasn't necessary for the Templar powers, it only boosted them, and Alistair suspected it didn't even do that

>>695192547
Templars can't one shot a mage but a late game warrior is basically untouchable by them, to the point where you can just ignore them for last and they can't do anything about it. Running templar + 2 mages late game is hilarious because you're immune to magic, meaning they can spam AOEs on top of you and you won't give a fuck

>>695192471
That was so retarded? Why would anyone want to preserve the soul of a thing that is just a horcrux.
Why is Solas so mad that Grey Wardens kill them?

>>695192547
Too many rewrites and soft reboots, it's not even a shell of what it was. It's fully fake and gay now.

>>695192586
It kind of was. Alistair says it's not needed for Templar abilities but later Gaider said that was wrong and it was.
The writers change their minds on shit so much in this series I don't know how anyone takes it seriously.

>>695192168
Weak year and Bioware's (only) strength has always been making the equivalent of fast food. You forget about it the second you're done but it passes the time.

>>695192765
It's alright
I'm coming to peace with it
The franchise is dead and hasn't been good for 15 years. It hasn't had anything salvageable in it for 10.
It's sad that it never lived to its potential but that was a long time ago
I just wish I knew it was dead with a certainty
I really need Bioware to fail with ME4 and close down

>>695192586
This was the canon in Origins >>695192695
this was the canon in the following games >>695192772
but honestly the original reason is much better for the worldbuilding and it's not exactly beyond the scope of the Warden to be able to use the basic Templar abilities with just training and no powder

>>695179635
You've given met yet another great anime/manga idea I will never be able to actualize.

>I got hit by a truck and ended up in a world where the ethnic food vendors are all impossibly handsome shoujo protagonists.
Female isekai where she's in a love triangle between a brown elf bishounen kebab merchant who calls her boss and a handsome italian tiefling pizzeria owner.

>>695192772
Disregarding everything after Origins is the only way

>>695191808
>death hex
why isn't this recommended as much?
every fucking hit turns into a crit

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>I am now remembering DA2 fondly
I truly did not know how much worse things would get

>>695193196
It doesn't really do much for a 4th level spell. It's good if you want to make things really funny for your melee units but most of the time you're better off using something else

>>695192903
I never really understood what the problem was with Templars having inherent anti-magical properties
Assuming you wanna explain gameplay mechanics (which you shouldn't because that makes rogue classes useless because they can't exist in anything close to realistic) just handwave it as the world being full of magic and it can manifest in different ways
DAO lore even helps it build it that way. The Fade, which is the source of magic, is shaped by the dreamers. Mages can manipulate magic because their special connection to the fade allows them to navigate and understand when awake.
It's a natural extensions to have certain people of strong will whose awakened state resonates on the opposite frequency, and therefore reinforce reality with their will

>>695193196
is there anything in the game that even needs that much overkill for a single target

>>695193196
Supporting powers are the best but they're enjoy flashy, so everyone specializes in Elemental Magic, Healing and neglects the rest