Mages....bad.
Correct
>>695167779He's not wrong.
>Merrill is dumb>Anders is a possessed lunatic>Isabela betrays you for an imaginary boatWhy is Fenris so much better than every other romance option?
>>695167779Well, literally every single cataclysm in DA has been caused by mage including the fact the only deity like characters reveleade so far being evil mages
Really?
>entire story is about people being racist against mages>except Hawke lost their home and sibling to darkspawn(caused by mages)>and half the enemies you fight are demons(caused by mages)>and your mom is killed by a serial killer mage>and the head mage guy was in contact with that guy>and the only reason the head templar woman goes crazy is magic bullshit(red lyrium and anders nuking the city)fuck the templars, the qunari are right about mages
Hawke loves his gay husband Anders.
>>695167779I hated so Fenris so much
>>695171510To be fair with every subsequent game they just show how right the modern thedas person is in being racist against elves and mages
>>695171373Actually as of Veilguard every bad thing in the DA universe can be traced back to elves, which justifies the racism against them
>>695170474This mf raped and tortured hawkers mom right in front of him and you never found out
>>695171879yeah but the elves were basically spirit mages, but I guess spirits could already innately access magic or something? Still mages
>>695171118Merrill did nothing wrong
>>695172202>lemme just kill my entire tribe in a dangerous blood magic mirror ritual
>>695172392better>there's entire lore of my people showing and proving that fucking with magic causes trouble everytime no matter if normal or blood magic>blood amgic guarantees that you'll fuck up 100%>not a single evidence of blood magic not fucking shit up even onceMerril moment>bbut this time I'll do it the correct way without causing trouble!some time later>nooo i wiped my entire tribe how could that happenthe only blood mage that can do shit without trouble is player character, but it's still mostly about gameplay part
>before playing DA2It's time to give mages a chance at self governance and to lift the templar's boot off their necks>after playing DA2We need more boots.
>>695171510the blight was caused by elves
>>695167779Bad writing aside, mages are good desu
>>695173689*Elf mages.
>>695171118demons are just like any other spirit chud
>>695174283And like any other spirit, fucking around with them is a terrible idea.
>>695173603Pretty much. The mages in Ferelden are fairly sympathetic, but the mages in Kirkwall are in dire need of a kicking.
>>695167779I remember not paying much mind to Anders in my first playthrough so I was shocked he blew up that church
>>695174975Pay attention next time, you'll see him losing more and more of himself to the demon.
>>695174505>The mages in Ferelden are fairly sympatheticEven in Origins half of them went out of their way to become abominations and blood mages and tried to murderfuck their way out of the tower
>>695175560A handful of conspirators with tacit approval of outside forces to destabilize the region. Most aboms you see were forcibly created.
>>695175560Most of the Circle tried to stop them, and died in the attempt. As opposed to Kirkwall, where the closest thing the mage side has to a voice of reason is a templar who leads a kidnapping plot, and gets murdered by a blood mage so he won't stand in the way of her revenge against Hawke.
>>695170474>Elf mage inexplicably creates a flesh golem, something only known to a Dwarven thaig that was lost after inventing them?Bioware was so strapped for time with this game they just started pulling old assets from Origins DLCs for boss fights
>>695175960he probably learned about it from that lunatic serial killer mage if he managed to track down old ancient necomancing magic then why not track down old dwarven magical shit
>>695175960He was sharing notes with a psychopath who'd been experimenting with flesh-grafting magicks for years in an attempt to recreate his dead wife out of involuntary donors.
>>695174505You have to look at it based off of the different mage fraternities. The Circle in Ferelden was a majority Aequitarians so they believe in not being retarded 24/7 and using their magic ethically. Retards like Anders are with the Libertarians.
>>695176305>mage fraternitiesMan remember when the series had complex internal politics
>>695172202>killed lots of elves>bred with a human (genetically human offspring)Yeah I'm thinking she did nothing wrong
>>695167779man DA2 comanions were so much better and memorable than DAOi only liked Wynn and Leliana in DAO but in DA2 i liked everyone except that whore Isabella
>>695176410No.So anyway, I'm non binary.
>>695176445Actual bait.
>>695176305Maybe so, but they hardly do much better in Inquisition. Despite Alistair granting them asylum, being one of the few monarchs in Thedas who doesn't particularly care for the Templar order, they sign themselves away to Tevinter and overthrow the Arl of Redcliffe, himself uncle to the King.
>>695175560Most of the mages were forcibly turned into abominations by Uldred.
>>695167779I remember thinking Fenris looked like a silly anime twink when DA2 came out. But now he looks like a creepy 40 year old lurking around backstage at the Panic! At the Disco reunion show
Warden was a Mage.Hawke was a Mage.Inquisitor was a Mage.Rook was a Mage.I'm sorry but 'tis true.Imagine being a non mage in a setting where the only characters with actual godlike powers are mages.
>>695176785That's basically how Bioware fans see themselves vs how everyone else sees them.
>>695176578Morrigan is garbage character, am sorry you have shit taste
>>695176578We love Bethany here
>>695176854Well, most Bioware fans who started with Origins are legit in their 30s by now, some 40s
>>695176976That doesn't count, everyone loves Bethany. Fucking Fenris loves Bethany.
>>695176960thisshe belongs behind the counter at hot topic
>>695176976built for Big Templar Cock, and during all her years at the cirle she did fill every hole of her body with hot thick Templar semen
>>695177058im a 20-something zoomzoom who didnt touch dragon age before 2023 outside of a demo of da2 when i was a teenager
>>695177058I'm in my 20s and KOTOR was my first Bioware experience
>>695177141Stop that.
>695176960Your bait remains the same.
>>695177058am also in my 20's and DAO was my first and unlike the nostalgia blinded oldfags i think 2 and Inquisition are better than Originscontrarians and posers can go fuck themselves
>>695176838With enough magical gemstones jammed into every empty socket you can find a warrior can very easily become godlike
>>695172392she didn't, the keeper did
>>695177210>>695177178Yeah but if you started with Origins at release as a teen you'd definitely be in your early 30s at least by now, for the old guard that actually played all ME games as well etc.KOTOR for example was released literally 21 years ago, hell even if you were a 10 year old literal child then you'd be 30+ now>>695177312There's no way 2 is better, game was rushed into oblivion, I can see some liking Inquisition better however.
>>695176305Anders in Awakening even says it's stupid to completely break away from the Chantry when you talk to Wynne
why hasnt a company come in and stolen biowares dominance of the cinematic sexo rpg format? based on this thread and many other interactions with biodrones that seems to be the primary draw to their games, and yet only larian has even attempted perversion on the bioware rpg scale
>>695177621high risk high reward
>>695177621Well considering the state of Bioware EA might hand out the Dragon Age and Mass Effect IPs to one of their other vassal states but expect them to still be shit
>>695177621Spiders has always done bioware lite clone games with barely any budget, only with Greedfall did they get their first big success so perhaps with Greedfall 2 coming next year they'll make a name for themselvesAnd their games have also always had romance including with Morrigan clone characters but no actual "explicit" sex (which was never a thing in Bioware games too besides blue alien ass tier scenes)
>>695177621It's actually hard to be that extremely mediocre and still sell games.
>>695177621CDProject Red was having a go at it in the earlier days of the Witcher series, but they seem to have abandoned that angle.
>>6951774432 had better plot better characters better quests and as for the gameplay i think it's a tie with DAO, on the downside 2 was more simplistic and removed many RPG mechanics but they also improved the combatDAO was great but even shit like the iconing ''lighting the torch scene'' or the landsmeet reach the kino level of the Qunari all out war in the end of Act 2 or the shit that goes down in the end of Act 3also for a rushed game DA2 was impressive at how it had a stable release with no bugs or peformance issues compared to DAO
>being racist to Elves is bad!>current release makes Elves responsible for everything bad>being racist against Mages is bad!>Mages are literally responsible for everything bad in several gamesLiterally and unironically what the fuck story is bioware trying to tell?
>>695178040That wizards have no sense of right and wrong.
>>695177858they never managed to capture the same feeling in the witcher. it just feels like you're playing as a dirty old lecher stacking up his bodycount, whereas in bioware games it feels like you're picking out your character's canon supermodel wife
>>695177778Bound By Flame is Spiders's best game, a shame we didn't get a sequel but that fucking turd Mars: War Logs got one (the Technomancer)
>>695178040BioWare was getting flak for this even before Veilguard. I remember when the truth about Red Crossing came out during Inquisition showed the elves were equally responsible and the fandom lost it. Gaider himself at some point said he regretted using real life influence for elven oppression - I bet it's part of why each game spent less time with city elves.
>>695178205Still hate the fact the game hints multiple big bads but you only fight oneI can dismiss it due to their shitty budget though but still quite blueballedAlso I found Greedfall's OST to be highly forgettable which is disappointing considering the guy behind it also did most of their games including Bound By Flame and the Obscure PS2 games, and is quite godly in general so dunno what went wrong
>>695177858Witcher 3 and CP2077 both went the Inquisition angle of letting you choose your romance but only in the context of an already established character
>>695177778I see Greedfall in every big sale and always decide against picking it up based on the reviews
>>695177951>as for the gameplay i think it's a tie with DAO>they also improved the combatYou can't be serious. DAO wasn't a masterpiece or anything but absolutely no thought whatsoever went into DA2's systems
>>695178394It's a decent RPG.Nothing special for sure but good to pass the time especially if getting it for cheap now on sales.
reminder that Fenris/Leto chose that life
>>695178485The force mechanic was kind of fun for knocking bad guys around.
>>695178313funny enough aren't Dragon Age Elves based on jews.
I'm mad Varric didn't get to finally stay with Bianca
>>695178331in the ending credits this undead faggot when he narrates the tale on the book he's reading or whatever he does hint at a sequeli believe Spiders was planning at making the sequel after The Technomancer which was a sequel to the game that came our before Bound By Flame but for whatever reason they decided to stop copying Bioware and instead copy fucking Piranha, well it worked for them Greedfall was a sucess.... and they followed it by a fucking souls-like slop that flopped kek
>>695178670I'm mad surface dwarves have been our companions for 3 fucking games straight
Have the dwarves ever gotten to do anything of note in this setting?
>>695178745>they followed it by a fucking souls-like slop that flopped kekwhat the fuck where they thinking
>>695178785golems
>>695178659Yeah the alienages clearly have jewish ghetto influence.Hence the distancing as the franchise goes on.The Qunari also were called "extreme muslim borg" (or something to that effect) at some point and they've been getting retconned/rewritten all over the place from game to game.
>>695178785Nope. Despite having the best lore by far, they've always been a sidenote in the series.
I love anti mages so much. I will play a templar in every game that lets me
>>695178578To give his mother and sister freedom. Just as she chose to squander it.
>>695178895DA2 was the peak of the qunari. Origins laid the groundwork but 2 was where it all came together and we saw how absolutely batshit they really were. Then they became gay in Inquisition and even gayer in Veilguard. I hate Iron Bull
>>695178785Eternal lyrium (((merchants))) that gave power first to tevinter, than to chantry and templarsotherwise, too small to be relevant, considering there are only 2 city states left after first blight
>>695178895only in VeilguardInquisition Bull clearly spells out how the Qun controls every part of your life and even mindbreak people
>>6951789852 introduced quirky qun following Felicia Day elf - it's not off the hook here.
>>695179061Isn't she an incompetent idiot willfully misinterpreting her orders, to the point where she was ejected from the Ben-Hassrath and reassigned as a laborer before running off on an ill-advised attempt to redeem herself by dragging the only basalit-an she's heard of into an international incident?
>>695178040Pattern recognition is still racism and racism is worse than genocide
>>695178331speaking of the OST it's a crime no one uploaded all of it to Jewtube, this one here is my favorite if there is one thing Bound By Flame did better than Dragon Age it's the musichttps://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/bound-by-flame/058%2520-%2520Music%2520Lvl%2520130%2520Explo%252001%252002.mp3oh by the way Marthas 100% fucked children he did say he experienced all kinds of kinks lol not even tranime JRPG's have pedo party members
>>695178659Best part is that now the elves are responsible for pretty much everything.
>>695178485the fast action combat of 2 was better than the snozefest slow MMO shit in Origins
>>695179061I never played any of 2's DLCs because it would mean playing more of 2
>>695179280>Not even tranime JRPG's have pedo party membersNever heard of Drakengard, then?
>>695171510>hey meridith I'm down to slaughter mages>*meridith goes full retard and attacks you*>hey mage guy I'm down to defend you from the templars>*goes full monster retard & turns on you*Its like they intentionally made the ending as dumb as possible.
>>695179286trannyguard is shit and non-canon
>>695167779im still mad at orsino
>>695179361Legacy's alright, but Mark of the Assassin is painfully cringe throughout. The gear you get from it is fantastic, though.
>>695179361legacy is good, assassin is pure and utter shite
>>695179403Sad that this is the only possible redemption for the series at this point. Well, retconning a game or just letting the property die I guess
>>695179336This, I pressed the button & something awesome happened 30 billion times per spongy enemy & they did us a solid & made more enemies appear out of thin air to extend the awesome every fight.
>>695179061Felicia did nothing wrong, and her DLC was better than the ''The Deep Roads Return of The Slop'' DLC
>>695167779This guy gave me such out of place vibes but i couldn't tell what it was.It only dawned on me years later that this guy was suppose to be an anime shoujo character for women but they fucked him so bad he looks like a middle-eastern street food vendor.
>>695175960They also went on record to say that he wasn't supposed to use blood magic if you supported the mages but the retarded devs thought there weren't enough crappy boss battles so they enforced the fight
>>695167779>moves into mansion with garbage everywhere>years pass>theres still trash everywhereDidn't help his anti slavery position.
>>695179513Well, BioWare already wrote off Andromeda and its planned sequels to do something completely different with the next game, why not Veilguard?
>>695179542Corypheus was kino, especially if you take your sibling and Anders
>>695178985Iron Bull just feels like a fetish character. Like he's only there for sex, and it grosses me out.
>>695175960dude Orsino was in cahoots with the blood mage that killed Hawke's mom and turned her into a frankenstein onahole
>>695179369i still have to play this game but i heard about this pedo dude but isn't it censored in the western release or something?
>>695179770no, Iron Bull goes into details about life in the Qunhe explains about the qunari KGV and how they "reeducate people"you can actually ask him how would life be under the qun, he outright says which companions would be outright killed
>>695178985For as much love as the Arishok got I remember largely feeling disappointed at how the Qunari largely don't seem to do much.When talking with Sten he made it seem like the Qunari were a near unstoppable military force and I'd assume if they were to recover something they'd conquer the land and shift through the ashes for what they want. Only for the Arishok to mostly sit on his butt cuz a whore stole a book. And when the Qunari finally take over the city it lasts like half a day. The character was cool (his VA was great) and in retrospect he's better then what we got later but I didn't much care for it at the time. I'd replay to see if my opinion changes but I don't really want to go through DA2 again.
>>695178985Qunari are just orcs...
>>695179672Andromeda will be way easier to ignore since it was sealed off from everything else in the mass effect universe.
>>695180024the Qunari mostly fight Tevinter
>>695179697>Corypheus was kinothe only good thing about that sloppy DLC the Assassin DLC was simply superior, /v/chuds hated it because of their silly grudge against the woman Felicia was based on
>>695180076I didn't know orcs were islamic.
>>695180076qunari are islamic communist turksand Tevinter is byzantium
>>695179858Yes. In the original, he's a homosexual pedophile who went into the woods to jerk off (so he wouldn't feel the urge to do anything to his younger brothers), only to find his home in ruins when he returned, his family slaughtered by the Empire. After failing to commit suicide, he underwent a pact with an obnoxious fairy, losing his eyesight in the process, and joined Caim's quest in the hope that it would get him killed. Of course, the American release heavily downplayed this, alluding to his motives in only the vaguest terms. The only really concrete holdover of his depravity is the way he shudders when the eternally-youthful child party member Seere hugs him before his death.
>>695180196who do you think orcs were based on?
>>695180145>against the woman Felicia was based onwho was she based on
>>695178040elves and mages are also responsible for everything good. it's kinda like saying white people are bad because they're the most destructive but they also make the most innovative discoveries that change the world.
>>695179785>>695176159Hey wait where is it said that the serial killer was butt buddies with Orsino
>>695180346>they're the most destructivemuslims enslaved more people than whites ever didchinks killed more people than whites ever did
>>695180024the Arishok with only few hundred Qunaris managed to wreck havok all over Kirkwall and the city didn't recover from the damage after all the time they passed and they never will because of what Anders did laterso can you imagine what the proper Quanri army can do? all of the human kingdoms will have to form an alliance to fight them off
>>695180415The blood mage has a note in his lair from someone covering his tracks signed "O" and in one of the ending Orsino himself says he learned stuff from him (I think the templar ending - it's been so long).
>>695178040okay but how does raping city elves fix anything
>>695178205>Bound By Flame is Spiders's best gameShill it to me pls
>>695180415Not sure about the Mage path, but on the Templar path, he'll boast that he got the blood ritual uses to become a harvester from Quentin, the mage who kidnapped and mutilated Leandra Amell. Hawke can confront him for working alongside a murderous lunatic, and Bethany (if she's around) will immediately side with Hawke out of horror at the revelation.
>>695180494>can you imagine what the proper Quanri army can do?Yes because I've seen what a double blight can do and was unimpressed
>>695180494>the city didn't recover from the damage after all the time they passedBut it never felt like it. Kirkwall in Act 3 feels the same as it does the whole game.
>>695180325https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1866426/she is the originator of all the ''women in their 20's/30's playing RPG's and always roleplaying as an Elf character'' shit you see today
>>695180201>islamic communist turksAll the crap you listed are mutually exlusive, except islamic turks, the fuck anon
>>695180145No, I hated it because the character wasn't nearly as endearing as the writers seemed to think, and largely spent her time onscreen (which was considerable) making "wacky" comments or pontificating about the Qun in ways that made it obvious that she was talking out of her ass. The stealth minigame was also incredibly lame.
>>695180624a Dragon Age clone but it's an action RPG and much smaller in scope + the good old Eurojank it has a bootleg system to that Karma shit in Fable games where picking good/bad choices will have drastic changes on youif you every find yourself playing it GO WITH THE ROGUE BUILD seriously it's more enjoyable not to mention it's nigh impossible to defeat the final boss if you go with the warrior build
>>695180951no it's notthe qun is a miliant religion like islam but also an social-economic model like communism
>>695167779She's perfect thoI want to stick my dick in crazy
>>695180201>>695180951Qunari are niggersin the first game Sten looked like a nigger and behaved like onebut in 2 the Qunari were retconned into this Tatar/Mongol horde following some kind of strict hardcore Buddhist way of life
>>695180317niggers>>695180346White people did the green revolution so retarded savages who were going extinct not only survived but thrived & whites also did colonialism giving savages technology they wouldn't have created on their own without ascending. They then went on to directly feed & breed savages while ethnically cleansing themselves. The world is poisoned by chemicals they created & the superpowers that will take their place are even less inclined to be good stewards of the planet. The legacy of whites will be savagery, decay & the destruction of the environment.That 'good' that whites did was like getting high off of crack in that it didn't last long & lead to horrific longterm consequences.
>>695181321She's not crazy, anon, she's just stupid.
>>695167779Tattooed Elven men.... sexy.
>>695177141Especially Carver's (they practiced a lot)
>>695181389shut up whore
>>695181354>niggersi don't remember the part where subsaharan africans went around raiding european villages
>>695181468Imagine her ginger bush :drool:
>>695181254Neither turks nor islam lend themselves well to communism
>>695181468>the only decent girl in your party who's not a whore or autistic is not romancable fuck you Bioware
>>695181612She's your big sister figure, anon. It'd be weird.
>>695181549>i don't remember the part where subsaharan africans went around raiding european villageshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_conquest_of_Britain
Reminder that Isabela goes to Anders for STD healing and he tells her to fuck off
>>695181709Romans werent black
>>695181321>>695181364>goes too far and gets possed by a lust demon >amazon presses Hawke to breeding creampies several times nightly >no more adventures>but way more sex
>>695181771yes they wereAfrica is named after the Black Roman hero Scipio Africanus who liberated the continent from the foreign Semitic invaders (Carthage) making all of Africa black again
>>695181765>Even an abomination won't play gynecologist for IsabelaIf there's anything to discourage one from following Isabela's hedonist lifestyle, it's that.
>>695181765Please show me the dialogue
>>695181598it's a fantasy world, anonthings work however the authors want them to work
>>695182131It's at the start of Visiting Anders - you'll walk in on Isabela finishing a visit of her own.>Anders: Don't come running to me next time you pick up one of these diseases.>Isabela: Isn't that the point of magic?
>>695181901in the Legacy DLC Merrill asks Anders for dirty spells
>>695182434Dildo spell
>>695180076Darkspawn are the orcs of the setting
>>695181765Kek
>>695167779he was based all along
>>695171510if you send your sister to the circle, she's really happy. She has fun reading and teaching kids or something. Based devs were on the Templar's side.
>>695172202Its ok because she is cute
>>695177386The keeper had to. Merril was handling it well but a demon like that will always make you pay the price in the end, definitely if you've got some kind of deal with it. BUT Merrill could have just broke her deal and jumped the demon with the squad. Killing them seems to work perfectly and she is in the Hero's party.
>>695177141Nog, Hawke bribed guards and Cullen to make sure that didn't happen.
>>695178975The thing is though the "freedom" in Tevinter is even worse than slavery. At least as a slave, you have a master that can (maybe) protect you from other bloodthirsty assholes.
Thoughts on Shale, the best and coolest companion?
>>695167779Does fenris have golden skin? Always thought it looked golden
>>695181468DA2 had a lot of shit wrong with it but the banter between companions was about as good as Bioware ever got, also Sarcastic Hawke and Varric were absolute bros
>>695185542She cute
YEs, DA2 was terrible (though it's my favorite one), but like another Anon said, the banter was great.https://youtu.be/fXf-tjnHhCU?feature=shared
Imagine being the little brother of Hawke.>be Carver>be living in a house full of magic while you don't have any>father is a badass mage and swordsman>mother is poise and graceful even in the poorest of conditions>twin sister and big sister are mages doted on by father who sometimes teaches you swordplay>Learn later dad didn't want his children as mages, but he sure was happy teaching them>dad dies and now you're the only man in a house full of titty monsters>the other villagers call your home the "tiddy shack">get into fights when guys lewdly insult your family>big sister steps in and beats them up for you>she then fucks them as "punishment">tfw everyone in the family and the village love your sister while forgetting about you>even PeachesCarver had a hard upbringing.
>>695178394It's slightly jank, and very reminiscent of the older RPGs. It's combat is soulslike, but not as egregious. if youre immune to jank, i highly recommend it. >>695181097>GO WITH THE ROGUE BUILDIts kinda amazing how gimped the 2h is in the game. its like they didnt even playtest it. still looked cooler if you ask me>>695185542underwhelming as a combatant, not bad for a companion. And she was never heard from again... except one single reference in DA2 about pigeon numbers dropping
>>695172392>>695177386Merrill can be a ditz but her clan and keeper were actual dumb ass motherfuckers. Everyone gets themselves killed either running away from her in fear or going out of their way to start a fight they can't win while cursing her and blaming her for everything. Her blood magic wasn't directly responsible for any of them getting hurt.
>>695185820isnt that a mage hawke? that dash over her nose means she uses blood magic, right? because of the intro cinematic?
FUCK THE CHANTRY!FUCK THE TEMPLARS!FUCK THE GREY WARDENS!FUCK THE GUARDS!MAKER BLESS MAGES WITH FREEDOM!
>>695185820Dalish Warden really did get the worst of all worlds, worst origin by an enormous factor, clan plays large role in the sequel but all turn out to be raving retards, it's no wonder the Warden never came back
>>695185956>that dash over her nose means she uses blood magic, rightAll the Hawkes have a nutella smear.
>>695185320The issue there is that with Hawke Merrill and company had already dealt with demons before. The keeper just commit suicide and then didn't even tell her clan what she was doing so she left Merrill to take the blame for murder while claiming she was protecting her.
>>695185542Great banter.
>>695186046>angry at templars for denying mage freedoms and backing them into a corner >proceeds to instigate a war that paints mages as the villains and forces them all to be backed into a corner Man I hated Anders.
>>695186690A war was coming anyways. He thought speeding it up instead of waiting was for the best.
>>695186767Sure but he didn't even target the people directly responsible for their oppression. He could have taken out Meredith and lead an uprising. Instead he bombed a church and gave a paranoid zealot the justification to start genocide, leading all the mages less capable of defending themselves to slaughter.
>>695186690>people used to like anders a lot in DLC>DA2 comes out and everyone hates himIt's a shame. He, justice, and a lot of other characters in the DLC were cool.
>>695186690He sucks. I played DA2 before Awakening and so I don't even recruit that idiot
>>695186998To be honest, having a spirit in you (especially one who embodies a concept full of passion) would warp you into an extreme.
>>695186767He wasn't thinking right because he was an abomination. He was possessed
desu all this veilguard shitposting makes me want to play the first 3 again
>>695187042And warp the spirit in turn until it's unrecognizable. Becoming an abomination was the worst thing that could have happened to either of them.
>>695187103I just wrapped up a series replay myself.>First game is buggier than I remembered, but still fun>Second game has grown on me slightly, despite the copypasted bullshit>Third game is still a huge fucking drag, but Trespasser is really good
>>695187121That's what happens when you mix the static form of a spirit with the chaotic mood swings of humans.
>>695186690He knew war was inevitable, so in his view all the suffering mages were enduring in the meantime was pointless - remember, spirits have problems with the perception of time, so they want to address all their problems immediately. The question needed to be resolved and once it was, the mages would be free or they would be dead.>>695186974>He could have taken out Meredith and lead an uprising. Instead he bombed a church and gave a paranoid zealot the justification to start genocide, leading all the mages less capable of defending themselves to slaughter.That's exactly his plan. He doesn't just want the Kirkwall circle to be free, he wants the abolition of all the Circles everywhere even if the Kirkwall mages are slaughtered to make it happen, though obviously he prefers if this is not the case. He knows that if he overthrows Meredith and leads a Mage uprising it'll just lead to being repudiated by the other Circle mages, even the libertarians, so he acts in a way to provoke Meredith into an overreaction because that's what turns what would've been dismissed as a regional act of terrorism into a conflict that shatters the Circles. It's not him bombing the Chantry that drives the other mages to rebel, it's the fact that Meredith chooses to annul the rest of the Kirkwall Circle over the actions of a mage who was completely unrelated to them - Hawke and Anders can even specifically point out to her that the real culprit is right in front of her, but by then she's too far gone to even care.The fact that Templars had this ultimate right to execute entire Circles essentially at a whim and in Kirkwall's case did so even when there was no justification in doing so was what made the other Circles realise how bad things were.
>>695187548Fair enough but, >mages would be free or they would be dead.mostly dead though
>>695187709Unfortunately for everyone, Vengeance was insane enough to consider either outcome acceptable.
>>695187548War wasn't inevitable. They already had the Mage wars with Tevinter to humble humanity and make the danger of mages clear.They can make peaceful changes and compromises on both sides. The Circles are already a compromise for both parties. They don't need another war.
>>695187824The thing is though Kirkwall was a powder keg waiting to explode. And having a large rip in the Veil so large that there was competition between demons to possess people that many went to possess non-mages should tell you something big was bound to happen.
>>695173392To be fair the player character uses orobably some of the lowest level, tamest blood magic there is. the most extreme is puppeteering enemies, the most tame being using blood as a substitute for mana.. to cast regular non-blood magic
>>695176838Hawke being a mage should not have been an option.It's so fucking stupid that the leader of the Templars in that city runs into you during an attack, recognizes you as a mage, and doesn't try to arrest you during or after the event.
>>695188120She wants to imprison Hawke immediately after the Qunari are nullified, but the people love Hawke too much to do so. S/he has too much power by then.
>>695188120if memory serves by the time that happened Hawke had enough clout in the city to protect against it, and you did enough work for Meredith directly and indirectly that she couldn't toss you in the circle without losing the only useful person in the entire city
>>695167779Thats why I pair him with mage Hawke (female)
>>695187709At least then the situation would have been resolved. In his view the current system wasn't just not working, it was worse than death - lifelong slavery where mages were constantly at risk of being abused and tortured, and at any time could be executed by the Templars regardless of how obedient or rebellious they'd been. That's why he provokes the Annulment; it makes all the other Circles realise that the entire system is predicated upon the Templars holding life-or-death power over every mage when they couldn't (or shouldn't) be entrusted with it.>>695187824Debateable. Anders and Vengeance certainly thought it was inevitable, but Vengeance and Justice were spirits who inherently had to resolve conflicts through violence.>They can make peaceful changes and compromises on both sides. The Circles are already a compromise for both parties. They don't need another war.Could they? The Circles had evolved far past what they had originally begun as, when they were to protect mages as much as common people. Mages had little more freedoms than they did hundreds of years ago, and what would make the Templars give up some of their power when many of them believed the current system didn't go far enough in restricting mages. Certainly not the Chantry, you can present the Templars and the Grand Cleric with evidence of Templar abuses multiple times across the game and they do nothing - the Grand Cleric even lets Meredith clamp down further. The Seekers are supposed to police the Templars but again, they do nothing until it is far too late and when they do intervene, they initially blame Hawke.
>>695167779Excuse me, mages are stand in for LGBT people so you can't say that!
>>695178670the one thing Veilguard did right was kill this fagthe worst thing it did was kill everyone else
>>695188120Well, during the event, they're dealing with a hostile faith launching a direct assault on the city government, and she needs every warm body she can get. Afterwards, your official status as savior of the city makes any overt action against you political suicide. Even so, when she asks you to handle the three runaway mages, she'll unsubtly threaten you if you're reluctant about it (though if you're cooperative, she'll admit she's glad you can at least agree on dealing with threats to the city).
>>695188374Weren't the Seekers already compromised by the death cult when things kicked off in Kirkwall? Hence why most of them immediately abandoned the Chantry in order to perpetuate the war, rather than do their jobs and try to prevent it.
>>695188120By then you're needed to deal with the Qunari and she can't afford to arrest you, and when you defeat the Arishok and are named Champion immediately afterwards she can't touch you because you're beloved by the whole city. Her dialogue in Act III does change to take it into account though, especially if you side with her at the start so you get the quests from her instead of Orsino - if you're combative when you speak to her she'll threaten you (and implicitly Carver) into helping her, but if you're cooperative and agree with her views in dialogue she'll instead say that she's glad you have some sense and are willing to work with her.It's a bit silly you can run around the city for six years before that, but given it's Varric's story it's something you can excuse. The worst part of Hawke being a mage is being stuck with C*rver
>>695176838Fun fact, the human mage's family in DAO is cousin to the Hawke family
>>695167779>spends the entire game hating on mages>if you don't have enough friendship/rivalry in the endgame he'll side with the Templars>if you point out that supporting the Circles is tantamount to supporting slavery, since slavery is the one thing in the world he hates more than mages, he'll change his mind and side with you after all>he even apologies to Meredith for doing soI love this autistic fuck
>>695167779Doesn't basically every mage you interact with turn out to be a blood mage?I just remember that the only reason i didn't side with the Templars was because i was playing a mage myself.
>>695188765and now they are all dead
>>695175324you shut the fuck up about justice
>>695189353>Anders Rivalry +15
>>695188621I think so, at least in part. It's a little unclear how the timeline of some things works because the games conflict with some stuff from the books. There were a whole bunch of issues, though - a line of Lord Seekers who were either useless or actively working against the Chantry because they wanted to advance their own power, the Seekers in general being unwilling to intervene in anything because half of them agreed with the Templars over the Chantry instead of being impartial. The Seekers should've intervened long before Kirkwall erupted into open war; Meredith was clearly unfit for command of a Circle but there should never have been a Circle in Kirkwall in the first place.Even at the end of the game, the only reason Cassandra intervenes herself is because she's working for the Divine directly and not the Lord Seeker.
>One of the appeals of Dragon Age's lore is the unsolved mysteries and how many different cultures and religions have different interpretations of the creation myth>Actually it was all elvesVeilguard did more than have a shit story and characters and combat, it ruined the setting both in the lore and by destroying all the countries we know about too. They went scorched earth and left nothing behind, the series is dead
>>695174975>consoom demon>become gay terroristPOTTERY
>>695189773Destroyed the crops. Salted the earth.
>>695185542Honestly wish we had less standard companions like shale(and to a lesser extent dog). DA2s companions at least had the benefit of unique specializations that were at least a bit different from hawke but DAI and veilguard had nothing. And no I'm not counting bianca as a unique mechanic.
>>695175324>listening to Anders shit-talk Merrill the entire game for using blood magic>listen to him shit-talk Fenris the entire game for thinking mages are dangerous>becomes a literal abomination with a massive civilian body count to prove a point
>>695189773DA died ten years ago when they lost Gaider and cancelled an immediate sequel to Trespasser, and then again when they cancelled Joplin. Their fumbling Veilguard so badly just shows everyone who was still delusional enough to care about the series to just stop paying attention.
>>695190279>Anders spends the whole game shittalking Merrill about using blood magic and lecturing her about it>after Vengeance flips out for the first time, Merrill tells him that there's no such thing as a 'good' spirit, and that she's sorry he didn't realise soonerShe might be autistic and retarded, but she's right
>>695178670Never really understood why they brought back varric for DAI. As hawke's number 2 it felt weird to have him brought in again but I guess he did round out the dynamic of solas, cass and him as your starter trio. That said I wish they'd budget more than 1 companion for dwarf and qunari. Veilguard had 2 elf companions from different factions with dalish backgrounds, seriously?
>>695171879Elven MAGES Anon.
>>695185542my mind is poisoned I saw the chud face in Shale>Thoughts on Shale, the best and coolest companion?classic, one of the best companions
>>695190641It's not retarded if it's right
>>695172202She literally did everything wrong. Though Hawke calling her a dumbass and then fucking sense into her in the rival romance was pretty based
why was hawke such a failure compared to mage warden?
I would suck off Varric (I'm male and 100% straight btw)
>>695191002Arcane Warrior is too op
>>695167779I honestly think the rivalry system in this game was genius. The characters are all retarded and annoying, but the fact you can antagonize them and are even rewarded for it was it amazing.
>>695191176Ackthually, it's not that good compared to some real crap you can pull as a mage in origins
>>695179372That mage leader was an absolute turbo faggot who was in cahoots with the serial killer fuck him.
>>695167779The order dictates
>>695191248...what do you think i'm talking about?
>>695191248This, pulling off a Storm of the Century and nothing can live long enough to get into melee range.
>>695191391Other subclasses can be better, yo
>>695191248It was busted beyond belief on release, since Shimmering Shield didn't deactivate with no mana so it made you immortal for no downsides. Even patched Arcane Warrior is still incredibly powerful since it gives you some really good passives for no downside beyond taking up a specialization slot. Shapeshifter is the worst specialization by far and Spirit Healer is good but you only need one in a party, so the only reason to make your Warden one is if you don't want Morrigan or Wynne in your party for some reason.
>>695179403Even if that wasn’t the case this shit was present in inquisition and had been hinted at since the beginning. The knife ears are a bunch of self pitying tear jerkers that slap people and cry out in pain.
>>695191428Waste of talents. Everything you'll want to use it against will either walk out of it or go after you, either forcing you to nuke yourself or waste all your mana for nothing
>>695191663>inquisitionget out
>>695179513The only real solution would be to retcon everything after awakenings.
Storm of the Century and Entropic Death have nothing on a simple death hex and a hasted melee party
>>695191730Stop being autistic, I don’t like it either but this is the grave they dug.
>>695191553potions scale with magic so its really just the god stat. best classes and simply spam potions.
>>695191808All shit compared to just using that one AOE blood magic spell
>>695192074You forgot to combine it with fireball and virulent walking bomb to destroy fucking everything
>Play Inquisition>Rush through the Hinterlands asap>I even installed the mod to get rid of the War Table>Still boredHow did this win GOTY, it's such a nothing game
>enemy mage>mana clash>they die instantly every timeah yep, they dont make em like they used to..
>>695192131Those do friendly fire bro just auto attack everything to death
>>695167779Funny thing Fenris, it turns out that it's actually "elves... Bad"
>>695192237But he's racist against elves too
>>695192224have you ever heard of moving your party members out of blast range?
>>695167779Literally all anti-mysticism is justified.
>>695167779If this is DAO then yes, I was fucking dangerous. Being a blood bender alone is demi-god power, but still being able to use all my other magic on top of that is just pure death on anything I desire. I was waiting the entire game for the "final battle" to summon my armies, but I just solo'd everything instead and had to summon everything during the final boss because I realized that was it, that was the final battle.
>>695191663>and had been hinted at since the beginningSome vague things have been hinted which they clearly didn't plan aheadThe whole Evanuris = Old Gods thing clearly don't match from what we know of both groups in OriginsOnly later they start to twist things to make it fit
>>695192168goty means nothing because reviewers are sellouts.
>>695192351Your god baby? Yeah, he's just a phylactery for an ancient elf mage. Why is he a dragon? Because fuck you.
>>695192281But that means pausing the game and issuing commands
>>695192194>Templars aren't as good mage killers as magesShameStill I always spec as TemplarsHoly Smite is kino and loved killing magesOut of the many shitty things post Origins, the Templars were hit pretty hardShitty redesigned armorNo longer a monastic orderNo longer have cool paladin powersAll addicted to magical crack There's some retarded gay organization called the Seekers that do what you do but better and have authority over you
>>695192547The crack thing was in 1 too wasn't it
>>695192168Lack of competition and people really don't understand how much better than the other companies EA is at shilling gamesI guarantee that if it wasn't for meme culture, Andromeda would've been a financial success because they would've successfully tricked normalfags into thinking it was goodBut the game's obvious flaws got memed so frequently and so hard it poisoned the well
>>695192471good thing you don't have to worry about it anymore, he canonically doesn't exist and Morrigan canonically drank from the Well of Sorrows
>>695192586Nope, lyrium was used as a means of control by the Chantry, it wasn't necessary for the Templar powers, it only boosted them, and Alistair suspected it didn't even do that
>>695192547Templars can't one shot a mage but a late game warrior is basically untouchable by them, to the point where you can just ignore them for last and they can't do anything about it. Running templar + 2 mages late game is hilarious because you're immune to magic, meaning they can spam AOEs on top of you and you won't give a fuck
>>695192471That was so retarded? Why would anyone want to preserve the soul of a thing that is just a horcrux.Why is Solas so mad that Grey Wardens kill them?
>>695192547Too many rewrites and soft reboots, it's not even a shell of what it was. It's fully fake and gay now.
>>695192586It kind of was. Alistair says it's not needed for Templar abilities but later Gaider said that was wrong and it was.The writers change their minds on shit so much in this series I don't know how anyone takes it seriously.
>>695192168Weak year and Bioware's (only) strength has always been making the equivalent of fast food. You forget about it the second you're done but it passes the time.
>>695192765It's alrightI'm coming to peace with itThe franchise is dead and hasn't been good for 15 years. It hasn't had anything salvageable in it for 10.It's sad that it never lived to its potential but that was a long time agoI just wish I knew it was dead with a certainty I really need Bioware to fail with ME4 and close down
>>695192586This was the canon in Origins >>695192695this was the canon in the following games >>695192772but honestly the original reason is much better for the worldbuilding and it's not exactly beyond the scope of the Warden to be able to use the basic Templar abilities with just training and no powder
>>695179635You've given met yet another great anime/manga idea I will never be able to actualize.>I got hit by a truck and ended up in a world where the ethnic food vendors are all impossibly handsome shoujo protagonists.Female isekai where she's in a love triangle between a brown elf bishounen kebab merchant who calls her boss and a handsome italian tiefling pizzeria owner.
>>695192772Disregarding everything after Origins is the only way
>>695191808>death hexwhy isn't this recommended as much?every fucking hit turns into a crit
>I am now remembering DA2 fondlyI truly did not know how much worse things would get
>>695193196It doesn't really do much for a 4th level spell. It's good if you want to make things really funny for your melee units but most of the time you're better off using something else
>>695192903I never really understood what the problem was with Templars having inherent anti-magical propertiesAssuming you wanna explain gameplay mechanics (which you shouldn't because that makes rogue classes useless because they can't exist in anything close to realistic) just handwave it as the world being full of magic and it can manifest in different waysDAO lore even helps it build it that way. The Fade, which is the source of magic, is shaped by the dreamers. Mages can manipulate magic because their special connection to the fade allows them to navigate and understand when awake.It's a natural extensions to have certain people of strong will whose awakened state resonates on the opposite frequency, and therefore reinforce reality with their will
>>695193196is there anything in the game that even needs that much overkill for a single target
>>695193196Supporting powers are the best but they're enjoy flashy, so everyone specializes in Elemental Magic, Healing and neglects the rest
>>695193196Single-target only and at the end of a tree that otherwise isn't very good unless you're already taking Miasma (in which case you're probably an AW). It's still good for destroying that single target but there's so many ways you can break the game as a mage, and if you want to turn your non-mage companions into blenders you can just do that by stacking Haste and a couple of buffs.
>>695192895>I really need Bioware to fail with ME4 and close downGod I hope so. Put them out of their misery.
>>695193374I mean, even later installments just handwave the templar requirements. Cassandra and the rest of the Seekers have all the best templar abilities with none of the drawbacks, all that was required was a buddhist retreat and a tranquility brand (that gets broken immediately). The Warden could have undergone this unknowingly, since it just requires a spirit to bless them in the Fade
>>695171510feels like they were trying for a "human slavery is bad no matter what" plot thing in Origins, but the more they built the background lore and added new quests in the latter games, the more the franchise relied on magical humans cutting their wrists 24/7 for unlimited power to do... uh i dunno, hide in a cave for centuries?The only way to feel even remotely defensive of mages is if your warden or Hawke was a mage, but that just makes the story feel like it has to contort itself unaturally to justify not shipping your ass off to lobotomy camp
Can we get a bush tier list? I bet the elf lesbian archer is hairy downstairs
>>695193252I want to go back in time and tell my younger self how fucked things will truly get, but I doubt I'd believe myself.
>>695167779Correct. Fenris did nothing wrong
>>695171118I disliked him at first because anime edgelord memes. But then after doing everybody's quests and playing the game I realized he's one of the only reasonable, sane, and based companions. I didn't fuck him because I'm not a fruit but he's so much better than the other options that it's not even funny.Shit game but he's alright.
luv superpowersluv slavesluv blood magic luv imperialismluv male chantryate soufate elvesate qunariate female chantryHeil Tevintersimple as
>>695193668>I disliked him at first because anime edgelord memes.He's pretty self-aware about it, which leads to some great interactions. Like where he flips out at you for taking in that Tevinter elf slave and you can correct him that you're giving her a job, so he awkwardly backpedals and apologises.
>>695176636That was the moment I sided with templars in dai. If alistair's mom is dead set on being retarded who am I to stop her.
>>695171118I always wondered who was the most popular romance option in DA2. As in who most players picked - I bet Fenris or Anders have the most fanfiction/art.It's always a female option but between Isabela or Merrill I'm not sure which one appeals to more people (I dislike both). Traditionally humans seem to be more popular but Isabela is brown, a slut, and can betray you. Internet doesn't really help since it's tilted toward who the ladies like.
>>695176838>Warden was a Mage.no>Hawke was a Mage.yes>Inquisitor was a Mage.yes>Rook was a Mage.literally who?
>>695167779Mages in Dragon Age's inability to pick a stance beside "Being effectively slaves" or "Being literally the worst" actually makes me miss the wizard classic of grumpy old man in a tower in the middle of nowhere telling people to get off his lawn of Dungeons and Dragons.
>>695193896>Alistair's momI really hate that plot point and Fiona in general.
>>695193936You can straight up miss Isabela technically
>>695185453>The thing is though the "freedom" in Tevinter is even worse than slaveryNigga, just move then. What the fuck is your problem?
>>695187548>That's exactly his plan.His plan was to have all mages hated and killed on sight? What kind of retard troll logic is that?
>>695193756Your mom calls her a slave regardless of thatHeh
>>695176636>Venatori have literal time magic at their disposal to have infinite number of tries to convince Fionas mages to join them>WTF, why did they join them?!
>>695193320The fuck do you mean not that much? Boss enemies have a 1000 health and shit.>>695193420see above>>695193481Miasma is trash and haste is quite literally all you need.
>>695178040It started out where the Mage Question was a nuanced and interesting look at actual fantasy ideas and the story gave both sides very valid points (but I honestly feel like Origins is HEAVILY pro-Circle and pro-Templar). You are told that uncontrolled mages caused the Blight, you are shown what happens when mages are able to wreak havoc (even just a few bad ones can fuck over all of the good guys), and you are given perspectives from multiple people on why the Circle is both necessary and good for mages (Wynne would have been murdered if the Circle hadn't saved her as a child).Then they started treating mages as an allegory for gay people or minorities or whatever the fuck, and didn't realize they made a really retarded situation where (like X-Men) it is ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED to be prejudiced against the "oppressed group." It's totally fair to not want to be near the guy who can unwilling and accidentally explode into a bunch of demons and kill everybody around him. They also started stupidly removing all of the nuance by retconning a lot of stuff to make Templars more nefarious ("becoming Tranquil is torturous, actually"), all while accidentally continuing to give reasons why mages are assholes or at the very least volatile (every single mage in Kirkwall is a blood mage). So it just reads in a really stupid way. Just like with X-Men being an allegory for the AIDS pandemic but portraying it by showing people who ABSOLUTELY CAN ACCIDENTALLY KILL YOU WITH A TOUCH.
>>695194231Yeah? How did it go for them? What's that? Wiped out? So much for time magic.
>>695167779>"Mages....bad">"I thought you were against slavery">"...I change my mind, I side with my friends."Genuinely made me laugh
>>695194231>Damn, being a borderline slave sucks> I know! I'll sell myself into actual slavery to people who are known for practicing human sacrifices!Most intelligent mage
>>695194326Best part is the quizzical look Meredith gives him, like she's asking "who the fuck are you again"
>>695194262>>695194345you didnt really understand what "infinite tries to suceed" means,doyu?
>>695194430You didn't really understand that tevinter doesn't give a shit about fereldan mages, do you? They are just fodder for the guy's experiments
>>695192168Because EA literally and unironically robbed Alien Isolation. If not that, then Shadow of Mordor, Dark Souls 2, Metro: Redux, and Master Chief Collection (if you count those last two). 2014 wasn't the strongest year but it had plenty of games that deserved to shit on DA:I.
>>695194498Thats not the point. The point is that the Venatori can simply rewind time every time Fiona tells them to fuck off and try with a new approach, until they finally they get done. Unless you stop the Magister, the Redcliff mages eventually giving in is inevitable
>>695194262They were literally only beaten by better time magic fuckery. Except, amusingly enough, in the timeline where you don't go to Redcliffe and recruit the Templars instead, in which case time magic never comes up again and the Venatori kill the magister offscreen.>>695194345>>695194498To be fair, Fiona thought she was signing the adult mages (and only the adult mages) up to a period of conditional indentured servitude, which is implied happens in other cases in Tevinter, like with craftsmen. Which if it were a normal Tevinter magister and not an insane death cult would actually be a pretty good deal for Tevinter so they would have no reason to backstab her over it.As to why she accepts the word of this magister that appears out of nowhere? Time magic fuckery aside, presumably the same reason Warden-Commander Clarel takes a random magister at his word despite both having access to mages who are allowed to use blood magic and being able to contact other Tevinter magisters if she wanted (the plot says so)
DROP FADE WALL ALREADY YOU FUCKIGN PIECE OF SHITI'VE KILLED YOU SIX GODDMAN TIMES
>>695194254It's fucked. The new players have no sense of the nuance. It's just slavery and rape in the Circles. Mages are just oppressed and it's not fair. Fucking childish. Black and white fairy tale storytelling.
>>695195662Gaxxkang can sense when you're not solo'ing him and adjusts his drop rates accordingly
>>695167779Even your boyfriend?
>>695195662The fact that this is what, the only unique item in the game with a variable drop rate (Awakening added a couple more) is beyond retarded. Even the fact that some of the better-looking armour sets like Ceremonial and Chevalier's rely on random drops is silly considering how much static loot there is.That said, why aren't you oneshotting him with Wynne's Mana Clash?
>>695196232I kill that stupid bitch when I play mage.
>>695196345Why? She's great, doubly so as a Circle mage, she's like your Circle not!Mom. It's fun badgering her for stories about griffons and having her get all frustrated that the saviour of the world is basically an overgrown child.That she gets one of the single strongest abilities in the game helps, too.
>>695196345then you're a faggot and don't deserve it
>>695196886simp for less wrinkly pussy if you must simp at all
>>695196941>the only reason to like a female character is to be a simpYou are unironically brainrotted beyond help especially since you have the other two female companions in your party kek
>>695186690>can finally kill Anders near the end>do it because I've had enough of this motherfucker a long time ago>get a sad and morose death scene where even Hawke looks like he doesn't want to do itAnders was the real writer's pet in DA2
>>695194254>>695195784Becoming an allegory for [insert oppressed minority group here] is retarded but even in Origins there were numerous obvious flaws with the circle system. Becoming a Tranquil is supposed to be horrifying and you can react appropriately even if you're not a mage yourself; conversely mages can express the opinion that it's necessary or even that it's a good thing. I think the Mage origin did a really good job of showing the player the argument for different viewpoints, from the discussions about the various fraternities to the different ways Jowan's plot can play out, like how you can even rat on him to Irving immediately and he'll back you up to Greagoir later. It was always intended to be an imperfect solution to a difficult problem.What annoyed me the most about the later games stripping all the nuance from it was the Templars being reduced to just "jailors bad". In Origins you have a whole gamut of them from ones who are dicks to ones who genuinely believe they're doing the right thing; Alistair talks about how the Chantry manipulate and control them and that they select more for obedience to the Chantry than critical thinking or moral fortitude, you see the Templar who just wanted to have a family and can find codices referencing other sympathetic Templars like the ones who started giving mages basic weapons classes or letting them exercise outside before it was stopped for treating the mages as too human. Cullen is clearly unsuited to be a templar but if you play a female mage he gets assigned to your Harrowing, implicitly to test him as much as you.Then in later games they're just muh drug addicts.
>>695197052given that they basically ignored everything about him from Awakening and rewrote him into a completely different character I'd say that's a given. It was probably Hamburger Helper's fault
>>695197052i miss the old anders
>>695197272Fuck that fat bitch
>>695197052That's one thing Trespasser did well. If you flat-out tell Solas you don't give a fuck about him or his plans he gets visibly annoyed and instead of getting a long, dramatic dialogue scene of revelations he gives you a 30-second summary of everything, cuts off your arm, and leaves.
>>695198034still retarded
>>695198162I agree, but even if they had wanted to animate different versions of the scene they didn't have the time or budget. Shame because it would've been cool to see a scene that takes into account different factors like friendship/rivalry and whether you helped him earlier.If you want to see Anders suffer you can just force him to help you and the Templars, since he implies he'll kill himself immediately afterwards.
Meredith was right all along. It's a shame they had to make her a villain/boss anyway with the Red Lyrium shit
He was right about both mages and elves.
