It's the best RPG of the gen and it's not even close.
I could care less.
>gen
>>695168835Agreed, fuck caring!
It's not an RPG just because it has levels - it needs a linear win state and a lose state to be an RPG.Prove me wrong if you can.
>>695167790>flops in your direction
>>695167790>It's the best RPG of the genI wouldn't even put it above both Mario RPG remakes.
Stop making bait threads for the gameAlso is the series gonna go bye bye again?Sony wants to buy kadokawa and kadokawa own fromsoft, spike chunsoft, and aqcuire
>>695169064Aniplex is Sony and they make Switch games.
>>695169025Why are people saying this when we don’t have full sales figures?
Reclusa is literally me. In fact, if you don't relate to Reclusa, you don't belong on this board.
>This genOctopath 2 > TTYD Demake > Xenoblade 3 > SMT:V > M&L Brothership > SMRPG Remake > Octopath 1 > Trials of Mana > Xenoblade 2 > Metaphor > Echoes of Mana > Visions of Mana > Tales of Arise > Bravely Default 2 > FF16 > DQIII HD-2D > Cyberpunk > Various Daylife > Harvestella > FF7R > P:LA > Diablo IV > Pokemon BDSP > Pokemon SS > Pokemon SV > DA Barve-guard
>>695169064No, Acquire are just the grunts, Nintendo will just find a new team to work on future titles.
>>695169601Hm, not bad, at least among the ones I've played since I'm missing some.
>>695167790Why did they make every character a plugWhat a fucking stupid decision
>>695167790it's a legitimately fun game, no idea why it was so poorly received by the retarded journosthe final dungeon and boss are some of the best I've played in any rpg
>>695169730>Why did they make every character a bean>Why did they make every character a shroom alien>Why did they make every character a block person>Why did they make every character a pillow
>>695169694A good portion of alphadream devs that worked on the series before we including key figures who have been around since the start of the series went to acquireThe reason that acquire even made the game is because of those former alphadream developers
>>695170025The game still has key staff at Nintendo interested in continuing the series so it will still be developed just maybe not at acquire.
B3313 is just a dream world created by Reclusahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMHg8izzb8o
>>695169716I've played all of them except for Pokemon Scarlet/Violet and Dragon Age. But I don't need to play them to know they're trash so it's all good.
>>695169601>>695170203Dogshit taste
>>695170203looks like a woodpecker
>/v/ likes itit's shit>/v/ hates itit's goodbrothership is shit, simple as
>>695170323Hey guys, I found Alyssa Mercante.
>>695170182This game was pretty much almost entirely aqcuireEPD never worked on itI can safely assume that Nintendo aren’t interested in working on it inhouse
>>695170193This part of the game is one of the most memorable things in Mario.
>>695169730I know right, where’s the wacky dancing real world objects?
>>695169601>Octopath 2>TTYD Demake>Xenoblade>SMTVAll worse than Brothership.
>>695170625Don't diss my bro Hole Punch.
>>695170408it was bretti gud but they used the chase sequence too much, three times was enough
>>695170675I like Brothership, but those games are all better. Brothership has an atrocious start. I still can't believe that you don't get your first Bros attack until 4 hours in.
>>695170401There's always an EPD team managing externally developed games, they definitely worked on it, no EPD team means no game, especially for smaller titles.
>>695168835That means you care, ESL.
>>695170675It's arguably better than TTYD Demake but those other games all mog the fuck out of it
>>695169730I just thought it was just to have a new world for the sake of it, but the plug characters definitely fit into the overall themes of the story.
>>695170835I love the Octopath games (also by Acquire) but I'd argue they start even slower and considerably so when going around to first recruit everyone. You can skip their chapter 1, but why would I do that? Personally I don't mind a slow start as long as the game nicely ramps up, I think some people have too little patience.
I can't tell if there's an actual difference when Mario or Luigi fishes
>>695171116Octopath 1/2 were made by Team Asano thoughbeit.
>>695171116Anon, each character starts with more moves than you have in Brothership 15 hours in. The beginning chapters get right into the nitty gritty, introducing the characters, their stories, their goals, their villains, and their playstyle. They're not really slow starts unless you make them slow starts. You can do a solo run and get to your starting character's 3rd chapter by 5 hours in or you can make your way around the world and soak it all in at your own pace.
>>695170935If they did then there probably wasn’t many of themIt was mostly acquire with former alphadream employees in key rolesIt’s not a coincidence why aqcuire was chosen for this game
Stat Importance for Rank Up Bonuses:POW/STACHE > SPEED/DEF > HP(BP doesn't have a Rank Up Bonus)
>>695171608NTA, but Mario & Luigi games are all like that thoughAt most they have 10 special attacks and maybe 6 more depending on if there’s another playable character
I really don't think Sony would care enough to make Acquire and Spike Chunsoft create exclusives, they let both of them make exclusives on Switch this generation. The Kadokawa deal isn't about videogames in the first place but anime, manga and novels, but the big get in terms of videogames they'd care about would be From Software.
>>695171990Though these devs could easily move to a new studio because if Sony actually does buy the parent company, they’ll probably just close the studios down
>>695172089Amount of skills available in battle isn't a fair point of comparison, M&L is about the action commands which you don't have to worry about in games like Octopath, the execution there is all in builds and preparation as opposed to timing attacks.
>>695167790Playing it right now, the start seems really sluggish, enemy variety seems low, lit my first light house. scared the game will be short and not much better from here. Does it get much better?
>>695172326It's a 40+ hour game and it gets a lot better.
>>695172326Yes, it's one of those games that just keeps getting better as you play.
tendies are so fucking fat and gay it's actially mindboggling
>>695172326>scared the game will be shortwell you're safe, it's insanely long (probably too long even)
>>695172089Don't need more than that when the ones you get covers all bases you need.>>695172326You're almost past the slow burn part of the game.
>>695169134Every game is a flop now regardless of how well it performed
>>695171990That's just how Nintendo approaches game development, multiple EPD teams are just management for external projects and there's always one tied to an external games, even Platinum Games has an EPD management team, it just isn't as hands on, compare that to Metroid and the EPD team handle level design, scenario, overall game design, and Mercury Steam just build the game and engine while also fine tuning smaller elements.If there's an EPD team that wants to build a new game then they will find a new external development team.
>>695167790>bigger flop than tranny agekek
>>695172389>>695172394>>695172670>>695172718Well that's reassuring. I kept thinking I was going to be too OP and just coast right through the whole thing since it felt so easy. It did begin getting challenging however, but then the game throws you another boost. I also chose the EXP bonus reward that helps you level up faster and felt bad because I thought i just made the game even easier.
>>695167790
>>695172326Yeah you should at least see how battle plugs work before dropping.
Why do they keep making me feel sad for Bowser Junior? I hope they finally give him a friend who can stick around next game.
>>695167790How does it compares to the other M&L games?
>>695170323Bot post
>>695173523Yeah, you're going to get your attack/tactic options expanded soon and enemies will start getting harder attack patterns as well. Faster leveling might actually be kind of a trap bonus in this one.
>>695173805Easy top 3 for me.
>>695173805SSS > Brothership > BIS > DT >>> PJ >>>>>>> PiT
>>695170353>MercanteWhere have I heard that...oh....OOOOH!
>>695167790LMAO
>>695167790Metaphor fucking shits on this game.This is inferior to the game made 15 years ago
Keeping the brothers' POW and STACHE stats at similiar levels has paid large sums of dividends for me as a caster-focused player.
>>695169064Personally I think it's more likely that Snoy will just sell them to Nintendo or Nintendo will put in a buy offer. Sony have no real use for them.
>>695176540I only played through normally with a focus on Bros Attacks, but with how strong the plug effects are, I wonder how a build more based around counters would work.
>"just play it for 20 hours bro it gets good">it actually does
>>695174474>PiT that lowWhy?
I feel retarded asking this but can you craft multiple of the same plugs right from when you first unlock crafting, or is it a feature that unlocks after so many crafts? I just today crafted a second kaboom plug and felt absolutely retarded that I hadn't done it sooner. But then I double thinked it and wondered if I even could before.
Connie's connie
>>695177032All plugs are a one and done thing. You can only craft what's in the menu.
>>695172326It's a long slog of a game and it does not get much better. Do not believe the fanboys and shills. Nobody would care if not for the brand.
>>695177032You unlock those in the third or fourth batch.
>>695172389It’s only 40 hours if you 100% it
>>695176842Probably good early on, though the Bros. Boost and Performance Bonus plugs coupled with the Auto-Excellent one makes for a very good finisher.I will say that the plugs allow the Jump and Hammer attacks to be comparable to some of the earlier Bros. Attacks if you know what plugs to use and have them available.
>>695177892I haven't 100% (I'm pretty close though, only miss three plugs and one sidequest) and it took me 50 hours
>>695178228I'm just thinking because there's plenty of perks, plugs and gear that would help a lot for that playstyle. The only thing I'm less sure about is counters, since some perks and gear say they buff Jump or Hammer attacks, but it's hard to say if it buffs the counters too or only if you select the Jump or Hammer attack commands.
>>695178868It all generally boils down to how good you are able to manage your plugs and your plug upkeep, I think.
>>695167790Based and Correct OP.The only flaws are no postgame and Luigi using the A button in battle.
>>695169601Live-a-Live > Octoshit
so many of these sidequests are just fucking boring but my autism won't let me keep playing with that big list that piles up after i finish a couple islands. what do i do?
>>695169601no fucking way ttyd remake is 2nd place on your list you are retarded, please play the og game
I think Brothership has the best boss theme in the series
>>695180251The sidequests are fun, the fuck are you on about?
>>695180426a lot of them are just go to an island, talk to an npc, go to another island, talk to another npc, get reward. i like the monster mania ones and the ones that require you to go down new pathways on former islands
>>695167790I don't usually like female characters in media, but she is like the type of temperament I like from a lady. Dayum I gotta find woman similar to this fictional plug woman bros. She cute
I cannot get over how Snoutlet legit wants to pork Starlow.Like what does he see in her?
>>695167790how is it? personally I think the series is hot trash outside SSS and DT, both of which I enjoy a lot. it's got charm tho
>>695182543Best gameplay in the series by far, arguably best story depending on how much you want to fuck Bowser (if you do, BIS is better), the opening filters a lot of people because it's a full 60 hour JRPG with normal JRPG pacing instead of the condensed pacing most of the series has which means the opening is slow as hell.
>>695182290orb
The series peaked with SSS because it was the one game that understood less is more and ended at the 15 hour mark.
>>695182989>less is moreLess is only more if you can't make more work. Brothership does more with more.
>>695182989PiT definitely got the less part down, because god damn that game somehow felt shorter than Superstar Saga.
>>695172881But the thing is is that acquire handled all of that important stuff for this game, with the former alphadream devs in key roles like lead designers and stuffIt’s the reason why the game is a continuation of the series as opposed to being a full on rebootMaybe Nintendo could buy acquire since they have their own properties like octopath and tenchu
>>695167790If Luigi's logic power was latent until Concordia, is he gonna drop IQ points once he's back in the mushroom kingdom?
>>695185154Yes
>>695169064Sony doesn't give a fuck about exclusives. They have a horizon game on switch which is (at least in their minds) their marquee franchise
>>695169064>Spike ChunsoftThe fuck, I don't want them to get their dirty hands on Shiren the Wanderer...
>get alert that a new reef is approaching>go to cannon>snoutlet stops me and says "hey how could you even think of doing that when x npc needs our help???" LET ME DISCOVER MY FUCKING REEF YOU STUPID PIG
>>695185564I got way more excited for reefs than I thought I would do I completely understand
how do i beat the seedlusa?
this game was really boring to go thru but i had fun on the fire and ice islands, now im supposed to help out in some weddingdoes the game get better after this fetch quest?
>>695183054Because it has no towns, minigames or interconnected areas
>>695183054its because the game is very linear, I'm replaying it and I'm already halfway through in 4 hours, but it felt like more because some areas are a slog to go through
>>695187752I never killed them in their seed form, but just wail on them with Bros. Attacks if they grow into a flower.
>>695169831Not an argument
>>695173935NPC response
I tried to emulate and it would either crash, or run with horrible graphical glitches. Too bad I guess.
>>695187752Can't you kill it with a defense piercing iron ball? If not you just kill it with multi hit moves like Mario and Luigi's final bro moves.
>>695187752i just used the tornado or derby to do multiple 2-3 damage hits
Brothership > TTYD
>>695182543I think anyone who likes DT will love this, in many ways it's a successor to it and a straight improvement in all areas.
>>695167790Definitely not. Feels more like the Pokémon X/Y of M&L.Which is fine but not even close to being the best game in it's series, let alone Gen.>>695169004An RPG just needs builds.An RPG is the math plus imagination.
>>695169064Sony are a 3rd party company now anyway
>>695169601Star Ocean?
>>695185478Nintendo should buy them and acquire
TTYD remake was so disappointingThey never even bothered fixing the level design
>>695196164People would've complained if they changed anything substantial about that game. It's really beloved despite its glaring flaws, see how the Glitz Pit gets sucked off despite being the biggest pace breaker in a Mario RPG.
>>695167790So is the praise for Brothership typical /v/ contrarianism (since it's getting an abnormally hostile reaction outside this site) or is it actually breddy gud?
>>695196665The hate is coming from paper fags who didn’t play more than five hours of it. Yes it is good.
>>695196665I'm convinced the vast majority of hate is coming from people who haven't played it parroting the opinion of the IGN review. If you see someone claiming the game has long tutorials or the writing is low effort (especially as a point of comparison with previous game), it's objectively bullshit.
>>695196665The hate you see from Brotherhood is tied what’s been plaguing Nintendo all year, which is the sudden hatred of 3rd parties developing Nintendo games which is what’s led Nintendo to try and hide the developers prerelease.People intentionally try to nitpick anything they possibly came just so they can say that the 3rd party dev “ruined it” even when some of the shit they’re nitpicking was exactly the same in past games.The ironic part for the Mario and Luigi games is that it’s ALWAYS been made by a 3rd party, however these people cope by pretending that they were actually a 1st party that Nintendo maliciously shutdown when in reality Alpha Dream went bankrupt due entirely to their own retardation.
>>695196665The "hate" is just the resident schizos who didn't have any interest in playing in the first place. No one actually takes IGN's opinions seriously. At worst people just don't play the fucking game as with any other game.
>>695197032Oh wow, are people beginning to notice that certain third party devs are being discriminated against?
>>695197263The most notable cases this year have been Princess Peach Showtime and Zelda Echoes of Wisdom.For Peach Showtime people made such a huge massive drama about the game being easy not some dark souls/super meat boy tier hard experience, which is ironic for multiple reasons:1) Good Feel has ALWAYS made easy games like Kirby’s Epic Yarn and Yoshi’s Wooly World, games that people loved before the 3rd party hate manifested.2) When Bakeru which is also another Good Feel game that’s just as easy came out later this year, the people who played it liked it because guess what? It’s not a 1st party Nintendo IP anymore.3) So many people rabidly praised Astro Bot this year despite arguably being even easier than Peach Showtime, but that’s cuz it’s a Sony 1st party game made by a 1st party PS studio.As for Echoes Wisdom, people bitched for so long for so many years that they wanted playable Zelda but then hated that they couldn’t play Link instead when they finally got what they asked for. People were also nitpicking a bunch of stuff that has always been stapled for Top Down Zelda games just so they can just blame more stuff on Grezzo the 3rd party dev.
>>695197839The Astro Bot stuff is particularly weird considering that game never reached a comparable amount of sales as some of the other games mentioned did despite the huge amount of shilling and shitposting on /v/.
>>695197839Epic Yarn was hated back in the day too. But eventually it died down and people began to love it. At this point I NEVER listen to /v/, because these threads are filled with people who never played the game.
>>695169064>Sony wants to buy kadokawa and kadokawa own fromsoft, spike chunsoft, and aqcuireIs there reason to put more stock in this rumour vs. the long line of previous rumours about Sony looking to buy Sega, or Capcom, or Squeenix? I'll believe it when a press release about the acquisition is released.
>>695199184Kadokawa put out a statement confirming the talks are happening.
>>695169601I gave the TTYD remake a go and I got so bored I dropped it just before doing anything in the Glitz Pit. Whatever appeal the game might have, it does nothing for me, personally. I would probably rank it as my least favourite JPRP this gen.
>>695199253Well damn. I'm with some other anons, then, I'd prefer Sony not to get their hands on Spike Chunsoft.
Favorite Mario & Luigi builds?
>Mario freefalling and catching Luigi's hand at the endHey, that's just Tears of the Kingdom again!
Zokket is a tranny
>>695202526Why do you think he's so hell-bent on omnicide?
>>695172326The start is a lot slower than it should be but after the 1st light house the game rapidly starts to coming into it's own.
>>695202526He’s more of a tranny than Vivian at least.
>>695197839I think it just shows the stratification of videogame discussion. I think as Sony's 1st party games have gotten fewer and fewer there's been an increasing tendency for every single one of their releases to be declared a masterpiece, often even before they come out. Like even Concord was getting shilled until it imploded on release.
Favorite Bros. Attacks in Brothership?For me, it's Clockout Blow for Mario and Zapperator + Max-Mix Vortex for Luigi.
>5/10 blundership
>>695204563It's cumbersome to use but I like Conductor Connector for how over the top it is with plugging to planets in outer space and the giant doom blast. It's like you're the one with the typical crazy JRPG final boss attack.
>>695168835It's "couldn't care less" retard
I fucking hate Bomb Derby. I'm at the 4th great lighthouse and I still have 22 of 30 excellents to go for the challenge. I always miss the second bomb.
I don't care if they're suboptimal, I'm keeping the Connie Mittens equipped for the rest of the game.
>>695169601>BDSP above anything>>695179917Based Live A Live enjoyer
>>695169064>spike chunsoftRIP any chance of PMD5 ever happening if they do.
>>695204797Yeah, it's pretty cool-looking, but I think the final part just sorta ruins it for me.
>>695182290Snoutlet needs to fuck Connie instead
>>695205673>their IKEA instruction books are actual erotica
So what happened to Patriarc? I guess he just died but it feels like a loose end.
>>695206930Check out the credits, it's quick but there's a scene where he reunites with Arc. He was probably held captive by Zokket's minions.
>>695204994it took me a while to get the timing down but it became much easier when I started using the dpadthe trickiest part is definitely the transition between the first bomb and the second that determines the rest of the rythmn you'll use for the entirety of the attack
