>japanese rpg where you kill god>look inside>it's just the demiurge
>>695176875Well yeah, Christian/Abrahamic God is OP
YHWH solos.
>>695176996the jewish god isn't the christian God. the christian God is inspired by the hermetic The All.
>>695177215Christian God is still YHWH/Jehovah/etc.
>>695177556No, it just uses the same terminology but the concept of the Christian God is wildly different from the Jewish god. Read more books.
>>695176875You know I was thinking about that the other day. Some games explicitly note it’s just some entity posing as God or that wanted to be one, usually with some implication true God was helping the heroes instead of God being Evil. Evil God is a thing in some games and manga though.Why is Japan so obsessed with gnosticism?
>>695177784>>695177215The All invoked takes upon that mantle
>>695177784NTA that anon but I have no idea on the jewish interpretations and differences of it from catholic ones and rest of the christians (I also few sometimes out of sync with catholicism sometimes though)How do they differ?
>>695177784Don't be a /lit/ midwit.
>>695177215>the jewish god isn't the christian God.LMAO tell another one!
If you can kill it then it's not God. By definition. It's analogous to saying that your indie game character can murder you IRL when you run your game.Japanese have a pagan understanding of God similar to, say, Greek mythology in the west where the gods are human-like assholes and can be killed or have sex with humans.
>>695177981by how much contempt jews show their god i find it difficult to believe catholics and jews worship the same god
>>695177924The old Israelite god that you'll read about in the Old Testament was still conceived of as part of the old Canaanite pantheon. He's treated as one deity actively competing with other deities in the region. He's a pagan god. Christian theology is actually more rooted in Platonic and Socratic philosophy and the Christian brand of monotheism is treated as an all-powerful presence that acts as the engine of the universe, rather than a more 'humanized' pagan god.
>>695178043yet they have never had any media where the god, capital top-G! has been killed
>>695177215Nah. The Christian God is literally the demiurge that "gave humanity free will" and then holds it against us. A likely story.
>>695176875What's a deluge?
>>695178176YHWH was rebranded as an all-powerful creator by the Israelites in exile when they were exposed to Zoroastrianism and become monotheistic instead of henotheistic.Doesn't change the fact that Christian YHWH and Jewish YHWH are the same deity.
>>695178043Their concept just doesn’t have an equivalent like other words and the like. The corresponding of god is kami, which isn’t quite like Greek Gods but more like nature spirits. Their range is much bigger as kami can be really mudane, down-to-earth and even intersect with yokais. Of course there are also those powerful creationism ones which would match the greek gods more.I guess comparing them to fairies would make more sense.Regardless, due to that they likely see gods as more manipulative and vulnerable beings.Adding to that they lost a lot of spirituality and are much more materialistic. Religious stuff even shintoism isn’t that strong recently according to some articles. I was reading up and the theory is that their losses in the war are the cause. “Their gods failed”.Not like I have ever seen Japan or talked to inhabitants from there to know their point of view
how can I tell if I'm the demiurge?
>>695178107>catholics clearly show their god no contempt kekaroo! you're on fire!
>>695178627i dont see catholics setting up wires around new-york, believing they have tricked good into thinking they havent left their home today
>>695178719The imagery in their churches is more than enough.
i'm more of a "form of the hood" kinda person
>>695178596Are you doing demiurge things right now?
>>695178107Maybe read the Bible. The God of the old testament leads the Jews out of Egypt and then kills like half of them for kvetching non stop demanding he let them go back to Egypt because they're tired of wandering in the desert. Yes it's the same as the Christian God. The old testament and Torah are literally the same book. The same God that supposedly gives Adam and Eve free will and then punishes them for using it to eat from a tree he supposedly created. Gnostics are right. Christ is based but the God of the Bible might actually be a demon.
>>695178856no but I'm using dall-e to make picturesis dall-e the demiurge?
>>695178891>God of the Bible might actually be a demon.Hey you can pacify him if you give him your son's foreskin, he's not all bad.
>>695178223someone please post the webm of tate saying he's too smart to doubt shakespeare's authorship
>>695178938No, it's just pajertscript.
>>695178784ah yeah, they paint huge pictures of their god dying. that's a pretty good observation
>>695177818Gnosticism is just an offshoot of Buddhism, which has been part of Japanese society for around 1500 years.
>>695178891if i was in charge of a group of jews i would have done the same thing
I think we should worship cool humans like Cain instead of bullshit beings that aren't even humanHuman supremacy
>>695179027>Sacrifice of Issac >Turning lots wife into a pillar of salt because she looked at the cool explosion >Making a bet with Satan (one of his apostles btw) that you can torture Job and his family and he'll still be your faithful little cuck>Give Adam and Eve free will then get mad when they use it >Mind control pharaoh so he won't let the Israelites go just so you can show off your cool plague magic>Jealous>Create an anthropic universe That's demon behavior. Christ is kind but OT God is a false God.
>>695176875Plato was a fag and Gnosticism is for retards
>>695179392You're allowed to be interested in something and not believe in it, anon. It's ok. Nobody will bully you.
>>695179362have you ever heard a jew kvetch? i'd be moody too
>>695179289is that litteraly the plot of c&c? he's just a cool human?
>>695178596Do you have a weird intestine instead of a body?
>>695179501>Create Jews>Shocked at the results Very omnipotent. Very all powerful.
>>695179362>>Mind control pharaoh so he won't let the Israelites go just so you can show off your cool plague magicIt's just the Sims for him and he spent a lot of time cooking up those plague ideasI like Exodus YHWH, he's schizophrenic with Moses. He randomly decides he is going to kill him one day then goes back to being a happy wizard.Exodus 4:24-26: "On the way to Egypt, at a place where Moses and his family had stopped for the night, the LORD confronted him and was about to kill him. But Moses' wife, Zipporah, took a flint knife and circumcised her son. She touched his feet with the foreskin and said, “Now you are a bridegroom of blood to me.” After that, the LORD left him alone"
>>695179620Actual schizoid behavior.
>>695179480No, you are a retard for simply being interested in it.
>>695179685Schizoid is a mental illness about being aloof and unemotional. It is not the same thing as schizo.Personal pet peeve of mine
>>695179763Thanks for the correction. Always fuck them up.
The Japs speedran civilization from archaic feudalism/imperialism to liberal democracy and never developed a proper concept of the transcendent, that's why they always default to demiurgistic/"really powerful physical entity" depictions of God
>>695179598im under the belief that god doesn't actually know the result unless it's something that happens. god knows everything that WILL happen, but he doesn't know what WON'T happen.so if he hadn't created jews, he wouldn't know how annoying they are
>>695179192No such thing unless you're one of those midwits who thinks jesus is god LOL.
>>695177784Except Christianity literally began as a Jewish sect and even when it became its own thing it was still the same God which is why Jews were not considered heathens.>herp derp read a bookUltimate midwit response,on par with "google it".
>>695179392>Plato was a fagPlato would probably be able to pin you to the ground if you tried to throw hands. Man was a trained wrestler and bodybuilder since philosophy was a holisitic lifestyle of mental and physical improvement in the greek days.
>>695179985That's a bullshit cope. OT God is the demiurge. Look up gnosticism. You are more akin to the true God than that demon.
>>695180006All modern Christians believe that Jesus is God, what are you on about. Council of Nicaea was almost 2000 years ago
>>695176996>Christian/Abrahamic God is OPlol
>>695179923>The Japs speedran civilization from archaic feudalism/imperialism to liberal democracyJust HOW did they speedrun? Would it be cause they got a bunch of jingo-buxs shoved down their throat, both in modern times post-WW2 and via the Portuguese traders prior?To the Japanese, Europe and Christianity is the death of tradition and the start of the 'degeneration' of their culture.
>>695180216By the book Ezekiel YHWH is an omnipotent creator God of infinite power.
>>695178223How did this guy get so popular?
>>695180216God destroys an entire army of iron chariots in the same book, btwThe point of Judges is that Israel sucks and keeps going against God, leading to further degradation and failures, btw
>>695180621Could you list these transgressions?
>>695180686IIRC, there's a story about one Israelite city where a group of men kidnap, beat, rape, and murder a woman before leaving her corpse at the doorstep of her husband/owner.
>>695180116>philosophy was a holisitic lifestyle of mental and physical improvement in the greek days.How did this union of mental and physical improvement end? My entire life media has always divided characters into “nerd” and “jock” archetypes that can either be smart (usually booksmart as opposed to actual intelligence) or physically fit.
>>695180170i know what gnosticism is, they were killed by the catholic church, by the hundreds of thousand.i also believe chronological order has no bearing on them. we have no way of knowing if the war in heaven has happened yet. for all we know lucifer might still be god's brightest.
>>695180801Did they remember to pay the requisite fine set up in Leviticus?
>>695179289Worshipping humans is how we get shit like the French Revolution or Communism, though.And that shit is fucking gay.
>>695180216Why would God be with Judah, he killed his son.
>>695180535this is the alternative
>>695180934The French Revolution was based.
>>695181059Different Judah>>695180535Lack of father figures
>>695180919Within the first pages of the Bible God is contradictory. Why create a garden with a tree that they're not supposed to eat from them give them free will and be mad when they use it unless you're actually a retarded demon?
>everyone calling the christian god the demiurge>demiurge isn't even a christian thing its just some shit plato made up>plato also made up the western concept of hellJesus Christ died for our sins and as long as we accept him into our heart and do good in His name (therefore God's name) then we'll be good.
>>695181059Judas ≠ Judah
>>695180318in under 100 years they went from knights and castles to air carriers, korea and japan are my favorite examples to ask simpleton "one race, the human race!" people why havent one single black nation managed anything like it?(hint, blacks are not homo sapiens)
>>695181235>Lack of father figures>all the people that like tate are non-whitesChecks out
>>695181264The same reason there’s two different creation myths in Genesis and God walks around in the Garden of Eden like a human being and legitimately can’t find Adam when he hides from him. It’s a mishmash of different stories told by people who didn’t even have a fifth grade education
>>695181264it's an allegory. i dont believe most of the bible describe physical reality. and i dont believe in a god that manifests itself into nature in imediate ways
>>695181328You're cursed to reincarnate into the prison created by the demiurge if you don't recognize the demons controlling you through what you would identify as the seven deadly sins. They'll block your path to heaven and drag you back into a new flesh prison to suffer again. Jesus is based but his message was corrupted by the church.
>>695180318They skipped past Christianity and adopted the thing that came after it (secular liberal democracy). They're still not woke though, which I hope holds
>>695181426>Thinks he's smarter than ancient people that correctly identified the cosmos with their naked eye
>>695181264It was just a prank, bro.
>>695181472Why should it be allegory.
Demiurge is a cringe concept made up by losers who hate their life and would rather blame other people for their inadequacies.
>>695181478Before you achieve gnosis I want to know: can I be reincarnated on a different planet as a non-human or is the Demiurge’s universe limited to just Homo sapiens on Earth
>>695181328It’s not like I believe in any of this demiurge gnostic stuff but I always find discussions about it fascinating as well as how it influences games and anime/manga.
>>695181472Even if I give you it being an allegory what is it an allegory for? God being a fucking idiot since day one?
>>695181605>Demiurge is a false God>Man holds within him the spark of the true God>This is a concept for losers You sure about that?
>>695181665I'm big into the historical aspects of Christianity and how we come to our modern beliefs of it so no worries, anon.
>>695181725The world is a beautiful place, and thinking that a false god made it is cringe.
>>695181643Space isn't real. The distances between worlds and the light speed limit act as a barrier so you could never get anywhere of consequence.
>>695181357can you even imagine a team of only blacks designing, buliding the factory, and then building all the parts, and then putting togheter a spitfire?and then make thousands of these planes each month?blacks are not human, they are some type of archaic humanoid.
>>695181667>God gave humans free will>One of humanity's first actions is to eternally damn itself rather than listen to God>Despite this, God is always willing to welcome (You) back
>>695181478>make prison for humans and keep them trapped via sin>then give them a book telling them to avoid the sins you made to trap them in your prisontruly remarkable 4d chess from the demiurge
>>695181857Based God
>>695180192why worship the lamb sent as your sacrifice and wage wars on those you say killed your messiah
>>695181774>Be poor Indian child born to the slums>Think your country is beautiful because you've never left the shit smeared slumsYou have no idea how bad things really are. Entropic universe where you have to kill other things in order to survive just a little longer but in the end you have to die. Very beautiful and not at all a nightmare scenario if you came from a world without death or entropy.
>>695181602it's what i believe>>695181667humans taking up the responsibility of governing themselves separated from god's guidance
Why did he do it?
>>695181826If blacks are so bad, why are indians even worse?
>>695181857>Create a slave race>Scold slave race for daring to be free>You're always free to come back and be a slaveVery based
>>695181863I think Gnostics believe that the gnostic texts about how to escape are all destroyed. NeoGnostics from /lit/ and /x/ not included
>>695181942The only thing not affected by entropy would be Heaven, which God allows potentially anyone in. Why would the Demiurge do that if it believed its false world was enough?
>odds insurmountable>music swelling>party on the brink of death
>>695181969Why give us free will if literally our first act of free will damns us for all eternity?
>>695182002They were too close to the truth.
>>695182002Nice drawing of the EU parliament.
>>695181942This. World/nature is brutal. You either kill, get killed, or starve to death
>people think space is realGo look into Operation Fishbowl. DOD considered it a Top secret project. Why did those Nukes bounce off of the sky like they were hitting an invisible wall?
>>695182005indians manage to grow their own food.
>>695182069False heaven that's still lower than real heaven.
>>695182005Indians are worse in that they possess just enough intelligence to be threatening on a civilizational level. Blacks are just dumb brutes who could never survive on their own
>>695182017>If you love someone who provides for you, you're a slaveWhat are you talking about?>>695182110Free will is required to truly love someone. Even if you've fallen, you have the choice to either remain fallen or to get back up.
>>695179236>Gnosticism is just an offshoot of Buddhism,In what way?They're almost nothing alike besides>le suffering
>>695182214Escaping the evil material world/reincarnation through enlightenment
>>695182197I'm sure my dog loves me but he's effectively my slave. He can't go anywhere I tell him not to and he's not allowed to leave the house without me. Why would God need us to love him? He can like that we love him. But why is it a need? Why did he murder people for not loving him?
>>695176996>>695177051Say that again motherfucker
/x/ and /his/ fags need to be lined up and shot
>>695182360>Seething demon thrall
>>695182320buddhists want to escape existing .gnostics just want to escape the corporeal
>>695182110dont ask me, i dont believe in an eternal suffering in hell.
Christ is KingHeathens and nonbelievers will hang on the day of judgment
>>695182497Brown hands typed this post.
>>695176996The Abrahamic god is Saturn, so OP is correct
>>695182497Your life revolves around fan fiction for a Mesopotamian storm god
>>695182325Pets are not slaves. You are the one who provides everything for the dog to make sure he lives a comfortable, healthy life. You're the one serving him most of the time, and all he really needs to do in return is love you back.Why wouldn't God want other things capable of love? It's less that He needs it and more that we do. The ones who die are usually leading people astray, like in the case of the Jews in the desert.
>>695182497I believe in Christ and I believe he came to save us. I just don't believe the OT God was anything but a jealous demon that tricked humanity. Or do you believe that Jews are God's chosen people?
>>695182387>Le schizo posting and le christ bashing the boards>Calls anyone else a demonLol
>>695182609Dogs were created as the perfect slave species for humans. Their pet status now doesn’t alter this fact.
>>695182609>Slaves on a plantation aren't slaves because they're clothed and fed by their owners and all they have to do is pick crops a few times a yearSounds like slaves had it about as good as my dog.
>Character is called omnipotent>Loses???
>>695182609He literally needed it in the OT. He killed entire civilizations of people for not believing in him or not believing correctly. A jealous God.
>>695182713Read the thread. Never bashed Christ, Moishe.
>>695182806Maybe God really IS a woman.
>>695182730>>695182749Dogs aren't even human. You can't enslave them. You require a higher level of thinking to even be considered a slave.
>>695182806all of these arguments can be boiled down to 'if god good why bad happen'
>>695182806He deserves love, He doesn't need it. He's a jealous God because giving something that someone deserves to someone else would rightfully piss the first person off. Remember that jealousy =/= envy
>>695182926If god is omniscient why is he retarded?
>>695182875>Humans aren't even divine entities>You need a higher understanding of eternity to be a slave
Rejecting God and the objective truth is how we got homosexuals and transsexuals trying to push their mental illness onto everyone. Worshipping yourself is one of the most destructive things a man can do. This isn't saying that you can't love yourself, but worship should not go to something flawed.
>>695182926Not that bad happens. He literally causes the bad. And the reason given is the people didn't believe in me properly. Jealous cunt behavior.
>>695176875Thats every jrpg plot
>>695183012kek
>>695182806That's because God's methods of getting us into Heaven back then were about fear and rules. We didn't follow the rules and he'd strike back directly. He realized that this didn't work because humans are natural fuck ups and so the 'new' method was made. Instead of us following all of the Jewish rules, all we have to do is believe in his savior and have faith in him. This works better because if people have genuine love and faith in God by coming to him themselves then they're more likely to act in a way that he wants. No fear or bloodshed required.
>>695182940>Omniscient all powerful being>Subject to the most basic of human emotions like jealousyYeah ok. Keep worshipping that demon.
>>695183012I'm glad you agree that God is above any man and that humanity is not enslaved, anon.
>>695183123>Omniscient all powerful being>Can feel happinesswtf???
>>695183110The concept of Heaven didn’t even exist for the jews back then.
>>695183056The divine spark exists inside man and that was the message of Christ. You don't need to worship the moon demon to find that spark. This makes you seethe for some reason. Why? Christ is still based as fuck. Just not in the context of the false God.
>>695183056Worship is obsession, and obsession is insanity. You should not worship anything. You should not cling so hard to anything, physical or immaterial.Accept that you may know, or not know, and that you may one day know or realize you did not actually know. That is what it means to be in the Gno, sis.
>>695176875I believe the Bible is edited and we don't have the full Bible and the full Bible has been kept in secret. I believe the Book of Enoch is apart of the real Bible but even that is only some of the truth. I'm starting to think the real truth was found in Ur and thats why Hillary Clinton wanted Iraq invaded with Bush. They were searching for King Gilgamesh (if you read wikileaks she even claimed in an email they were looking for King Gilgamesh for some really weird reason)
>>695183110Bet your abusive parents told you that story before inflicting trauma on you. He "created" people with free will and all kinds of fears and faults then holds it against us when we aren't perfect. Unhinged behavior.
>>695183058A jealous god wouldn't become human, knowingly get cruficied and then spiritually overtake the largest manmade empire to exist to spread the word that's entirely condensed to stop being complete psychopaths and atleast have compassion for your fellow man regardless of what they've done to you.
>>695183208Gnosticism literally worships Jesus, you fucking retard
>>695183223>if you read wikileaks she even claimed in an email they were looking for King Gilgamesh for some really weird reasonWhat the fuck?
>>695183171>Needs humans to help him feel happiness>Gets extra happy if you cut your foreskin off>Gets fucking rock hard if you kill your son for himYou guys are right. That's not a demon. Sorry.
>>695183182There was (and still is) the idea of the world after, but it's just not talked about much. The New Testament gives a lot more about it. Hell is more interesting because it's uniquely a Christian creation that's been mainly formed outside of Scripture that's then been adopted as fact by a lot of churches.>>695183271You can be as much of a fuck up as you want as long as you genuinely repent and try to change for the better. God doesn't ask for perfection because we're humans.
>>695183320I don't care what gnosticism does.
>>695182926If God good why did he make bears eat 47 children for calling a guy bald?
>>695183320Nope. You don't worship Jesus. He's just a based messenger sent here to tell humanity that we got it wrong. But even that message was corrupted by the church.
>>695183421Those teens were the equivalent of niggers
>>695183449Whatever you say baldy
>>695183317Jesus is not that God. Keep up.
>>695183494I'm siccing my bears on you
>>695183438He was actually God.
>>695183421He was bald btw.
>>695181665I find it peculiar just how viciously hostile Christianity, Zoroastrianism, even the Chinese were to it. it feels like it was/is an omnipresent threat if you let your guard down because of how seductive the concept is and how subversive it is. Christianity suffers a lot because Gnosticism lost the battle but won the war - the modern conception of Christianity is peak dualistic light vs darkness, material world bad spiritual world good and the devil rose from some nutty little fucker who can't bait Jesus into functionally the 2nd or 3rd most important character in Christian theology, depending on if you separate God from Jesus as a 'character'.What I find neat is how Western notions of reincarnation are far more friendly and happy than Eastern, as Japanese seem to often have in their modern storytelling pic related. It's probably the same reason why until recently with subversion Western storytelling favors good vs evil in clear cut terms while Eastern goes a bit blurry.>>695183531why was he so bald
>>695183530According to whom?
>>695183497Then there's nothing else to be said since you're apparently a 2nd Temple Jew.
>>695183223>I believe the Bible is edited and we don't have the full Bible and the full Bible has been kept in secret.It doesn't even need to be edited, thousands of years of copy pasting by a few people who only had a ecclesiarchyst training will deform them into religious texts, some of translated bit from ancient "religious" hindu and biblical texts straight from aramaic made by people with more technical backgrounds just show some crazy things, they morph into manuals to build devices even.
>>695181907fuck me in the ass
On an unrelated note, I've always found it interesting how "predisposed" humans are towards worship. It can't just be a hierarchical thing since we never see this behavior in apes, right? Or maybe it's just because we can comprehend the transcendental?
>>695183223>>695183336"On 12/13/2018 - Denetra D Senigar sent an email to Hillary Clinton with the following subject: Requesting documents pertaining to the resurrection chamber of Gilgamesh, the location of his body and the location of the buried Nephlim"UH GUYS WHAT THE FUCK?
>>695183675Only applies to NPCs, when you realize there are humans and then there is a slave class of flesh robots who always do as they are told all the pieces start to fall into order.
>>695183713The Jews of today are heavily nerfed super wizards. I think it's a good thing the Bible was heavily censored
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>>695183829Wouldn't that still imply a creator of some kind?
>>695183859Shidd was it the why am I so bald that came up with the term vidya gaem? I feel like it was.
>>695183675It's a socio-evolutionary trait. We survived better in groups, and groups survived better with a leader who told people what to do. Some evolutions are unnecessary or go to far, which is where worship comes in. When people can thrive by leaving all their anxieties up to a leader, ruler, god or so on, they no longer feel anxious about their duties or future. That's where worship happens.
This thread is surprisingly fun to read. The lore is pretty deep. Where can i read more about Gnosticism?
>>695183558Me, retard. I just wrote it.
>>695184086If that's the case, why don't we see religions or the like in species like great apes or monkeys? That's the main thing I'm wondering.
>>695180535Jewish network building ecelebs to render goys even more stupid than they already were before coming into contact with social medias.
Anyone remember the name of that Rabbi who said that Jesus is the Messiah while on his deathbed?
>>695184184because we are superior, they are the inferior
>>695184184Maybe they have religions and they can’t tell us because they can’t speak English.
>>695184428If they did, you'd think they'd at least make something to represent it. They are capable of handling tools.>>695184358I was thinking that one possibility was just that they're incapable of comprehending concepts beyond their immediate needs.
>>695183675Because if you meditate long enough you'll come into contact with your own divine spark. Atheist are just ADHD people with too many demons to look internally for too long without being scared out. Even if I think Christians worship a demon they're at least on the right track. Imagine thinking we're meat machines and that there's no free will and everything is caused by an infinite chain of causality but nothing caused the universe. Very retarded.
>>695184184a group of monekys have started putting straws of grass in their ears and asshole, seems like ritualistic behavior
>>695183713Nephlim were giants that ate people right?
>>695184130Based
>>695184486>If they did, you'd think they'd at least make something to represent it.Idolatry is a sin in their religion.
>>695184497meditating is uniroincaly terrible for your mental health(bad sleep, loss of inner voice). go for a 10 min walk, all the benefits espoused of meditators and none of the drawbacks
>>695184615Actually, I do recall reading that apes passing down stories to their children was a relatively new phenomenon (or it's old, and we just never knew about it).Being able to communicate abstract concepts would be important to actually have a religion that lasts longer than a generation.
>>695184538>god sends angels to watch over earth and report back to him>angels see earth women and decide they want to fuck them>women (somehow) birth the nephlim who were somewhere between 10 - 1000 feet tall >they become something between demi-gods and demons who either terrorize, eat or enslave humans to worship them>god gets pissed and sends the flood
>>695178043>If you can kill it then it's not Godthat just means god is god until someone destroys him. i dont see how that changes anything.
>>695184776God can't be God if destroying Him is even a possibility.
>>695184751>anime plotWere the ancient jews actually Japanese?
>>695184904I think the Japanese just take a lot inspiration from foreign religions.
>>695184904Actually yes, the 13th lost tribe consists of the Japanese. Look into it. Go look at any ancient hebrew and compare in writing side by side to Japanese letters. I'm not even kidding they are the closest language to ancient hebrew it is disturbing. Also the only asians to grow full beards.
>>695184840but you cannot gauge that possibility. so god is god until someone shows god was actually not god.
>>695184904the more you learn about gnosticism, the more the world makes sense.Especially the part where a retarded woman breaks from the pack and births an eternal nightmare that plagues all humanity.But yes, lots of Japs love jew stuff, that's why it often shows up in anime
>>695180535He has based takes.
>>695182395Imagine being so cucked your very existence is suffering.Embrace Samsara dumbass.
>>695185147yay! there it is!
>>695185061What they're saying is you cannot kill the creator of all things because they are inherently more powerful than the things they create. So if something kills what we believe is the creator of all things, then it wasn't really them.
>>695178627>kekaroothere are "people" that talk like this and don't implode from sheer cringe
There is literally zero point to acquiring higher knowledge if you are not already confident in your ability to kill ghosts, demons, or any other unnatural entities.
>>695185529do you have a folder of vidya anime girls you pull out to underscore your feelings when you talk to friends and family?
>>695185695That's a man.
>>695185080Gimme a run down on Gnosticism and the beliefs cause I keep seeing it mentioned and don't get it
>>695185567supernatural, not unnatural
>>695185567Find it funny how people found ghosts frightening. If you are an agnostic and you are convinced of seeing a ghost, then that's great! It means there's something more after life beyond oblivion. If you are a faithful Christian under the protection of almighty God you need not fear them either
>>695179362atheists love to talk about the sacrifice of Isaac as if Abraham actually sacrificed his son. Read the book, pseud
>>695185762it's not that complicated, if you were a child with imagination you probably have tought something close to it.
>>695185147if he had based takes no one would listen to him, it makes no sense
>>695185762gnosticism is>see bible>rip bong>dude OT God is mean but jesus is nice, they must be different>Jesus must have been like....warning us about this fake fallen matrix simulation! >Our bodies are evil but our spirits are good, we need to like....fuckin....align our chakras to escaoe this hellish pseudoreality and best the demiurge>bro I did shrooms with Graham Hancock, you ever experienced Egodeath dude?
>>695185843>If you are a faithful Christian under the protection of almighty God you need not fear them eitheri love that this was the church stance on magic/supernatural wich then caused the technoligcal explosion in europe after the 1500s
>>695185850https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lITahMeAio
The real God in Abrahamic Mythology is all knowing and all powerful, essentially just a cosmic consciousness. It can't be defeated, frankly it can't really be fought. The Demiurge at its core is a fallible and vulnerable being positing its petty power as true omnipotence because it's such an insecure faggot that's blind to anything greater than itself. Nigga is quite literally a cheesy anime villain.
>>695185567I've used my greater human spirit to kill at the very least one ghost. There was one more but i'm almost positive it got away, I didn't feel anything like the first time.
>>695186116>Dan McClellanLol no
>>695186137God can certainly grant Himself human form, but He also is fully capable of operating outside of time and space, so fighting Him if He were to grant something resembling combat would be Vergils 1000 cuts shit amped up to infinite and you dont get a chance to dodge it or retaliate, and thats if He's feeling generous enough to not just *BLOOP* you out of existence or into Hell
>>695186297>Vergil Jesus
>>695186116>No bro, dont read Genesis 22:11 just trust me broAtheists so muhfuckin dumb. Yall niggas will do anything but read the fuckin book
>>695183675The world is full of nasty shit that we can't control or predict, and one of Homo sapiens greatest evolutionary advantages is its almost schizo tier pattern recognition abilities. So when some caveman notices one time that after they danced it started to rain he mistakenly correlates this to that particular dance as having caused the rain, and thus a superstition is born. Once enough superstitions aggregate you need someone whose job is they can remember them all and keep them straight. Thus you get Shamans and Priests. Once enough Shamans/Priests get in contact they start debating each other and hashing out differences, so they organize themselves and make an administrative hierarchy. And there you go, Religion.
>>695186561oh boy, here comes the evolutionist literally making shit up and pretending its at all scientifically or historically founded in any way whatsoever.Newsflash dork, thats literally just headcanon
>>695184651>bad sleep, loss of inner voice?neither of these things happened to me when I meditatedI also go for walks, tbf.
>>695186561>be god>wake up>see pic related>tell them to just run laps around a desert for 40 years>lol
>>695186656I'm sorry I insulted your retarded beliefs about casting magic spells and talking to invisible monsters.
>>695186810your empty insults dont anymore substantiate your bullshit claims about how early religion came to be. You just craft that idea in your head because a bunch of retards doing guesswork pretend its real, like fucking dinosaurs
>>695182091When Kefka does that spell that makes your entire party to 1hp so you kneel in front of him, holy kino
>>695185268I suppose that’s kinda one of the epistemological gaps in abrahamic religions. God believes that he is all knowing, but how can he even truly prove that to himself? We might think that the nominal world is nothing but our perceptions, but we can’t prove that to ourselves. I guess the obvious argument is that god’s knowledge is of a fundamentally different nature to our incomplete perception, but how can god prove THAT to himself?Even in the most extreme case in which the fundamentalist interpretation of the bible is true, perhaps “our” god isn’t actually the same as the philosophical concept of god.
>>695186780i made it up
>/x/ - Drugs and ChristianityI wish that board was actually good again.
>>695187262>mindless pseud drivel God knows everything because if there is an eternal creator of all things that made the conscious decision to do so it by definition would be all knowing and all powerful. Nothing looks more retarded than a person trying to cram God into his 9th grade philosophy sized box.
>>695186935Dont forget space
>>695187575Space is real, the earth is roundDinosaur is bullshit headcanon by retards in labcoats who needed to help the british empire gain influence.
>>695178043Monotheists have destroyed your brain.
>>695187443>illiterate faggot rebuttalObviously, were it true that god is the first origin, that he would be, by definition, the first origin. That just so also happens to have nothing to do with what I said.
>>695178043>If you can kill it then it's not God. By definition.*holds up a brick*Behold, a god!
>>695186014>t. hylic
>>695185762It's Buddhism with a theistic bent.>The world is fake and gay>Strive for gnosis to escape the gayness and reunite with God.
>>695187698see >>695182162
>>695187262Trying to argue with abrahamists is an exercise in futility. Their spirits are more dead than a hardcore the science! obsessed atheist.
>>695187854Idk man, Im not willing to die on the space isnt real hill just yet, but Im an experience guy, we could all find out tonight space is all made up and fake, doesnt change the fact I gotta get up, shower, drive to work, drive home, heat up dinner and go to bed. I will duel a man to the death over dinoshit though.
>>695186014You are a spiritual lumpenprole.
>>695188285>No bro, jesus lied when he said he was fulfilling the OTlaw>seriously dude, Jesus was just bullshitting when he said I and the Father are onefuck off, at the very least adopt a canon of scripture that is remotely coherent.
Is this the mage the ascension rp thread?
>>695187954Redpill me on dinosaurs.
video game thread?
>>695187954>>695188606Seconded, what’s the deal with those scaly fucks?
>>695180843Somewhat belated, but i imagine this comes down to specialization of labor.
>>695185229How come whales are so chill and cool bro?Like you'd think they'd be out to kill every single human for the shit we pulled a hundred years ago but they're always just chill guys.
>>695178507I always have wondered if they are really not religious or if it's us that don't recognize them as such, because animism from the outside can look a lot like not having any religion, but they may still hold to superstitions and traditional beliefs, for example they bless their modern fighter aircraft, because of course, they have a spirit.
>>695176875Not canon btw
>>695177556He literally isnt you dumbass
>>695185529He's being ironic. Irony is the purest shield from cringe.
>>695178627>kekaroois this some new zoomer faggot shit? i have never seen anybody post this until very recently
>>695180535so you dont get it? he trolled the likes of you
>>695188932A B=branch of Archosauria that emerged during the mid-Triassic. After the T-J extinction event wiped out most of their Pseudosuchian and Therapsid competitors, they further diversified and became the dominant land vertebrates of the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods. Their domination ended with the K-Pg extinction event which wiped out the entire clade save for three groups of the Theropod subgroup Aves who managed to survive the event. These three groups of Aves survive into the present day as the Ratites, Fowl, and Neoaves, which we collectively call birds.
why are they obsessed with religion
>>695185762early christian sect which pretty much got wiped out when innocent III rampaged through france in the 13th centurytheir main thing was 'spiritual world good, material world bad'them and the albigensians were absolute kino-machines when it comes to esoteric christianityholy grail? black masses? prophecies, surviving bloodline of christ + (t)wincest? you name it they probably had it
>>695178043riddle me this, can God kill himself? If he is all-powerful then he should be able to kill anything but if he can be killed how can he be all-powerful?
>>695189478Religion and Mythology are not very different, and both are very interesting to read about. Both stimulate the imagination, and it's from imagination that stories are made.
>>695179040>he's too smart to doubt shakespeare's authorshipWhat does this mean? Why would he doubt Shakespeare's authorship? Also why would a person like Tate even speak about such a thing to begin with?
are gnostic anons just larping atheists?
>>695176875>4chan post where it's the demiurge>look inside>it's just mortals LARPing
>>695187443>bible-thumper reading comprehension
>>695189853Every 4chan post is mortals talking shit.
>>695189493No, because that is a self-contradiction. Same reason that you cannot make a triangular circle. By definition, God is eternal and cannot die.
>>695180535Jews but also browns have been getting unprecedented access to the internet. Why do you think he larps as a muslim? Like 90% of his audience is pajeet and mudslimes living in what once were white countries. There was a video in Canada about a guy interviewing indian young men and they were all Tate fans.
>>695189826No, they are god's favouriteAlso a reminder that everything is derivative of the Summerians Gilgamesh=Heracles=Hercules=Jesus
>>695188696Video games are for children
>>695189127>t. Demiurge
>>695189826it's a twitter meme
>>695190009God's favorite in that they went extinct for centuries until like a decade ago
what's a demiurge anywaykeep seeing that fucked up lion for years but I cant make sense of the definitions or memes
>>695180318They hired a shit ton of European engineers to help build all their infrastructure and war machines. They also had a shit ton of gold coming out of Sado Island, and the westerners were really interested in the exotic "Japonism" fad
>>695176996YHWH's power level in the Bible is kind of arbitrary. The guy's entire infallible and perfect plan relies on jumping through countless different dramas, extremely specific ritualistic hoops including animal and (a handful of times) human blood sacrifice, infant genital mutilation, worries about the correct fabrics and goat boiling recipes, and sacrificing himself to himself in order to prevent himself from torturing people in the torture chambers he himself created for the great crime of being created in the way he himself decreed. And all kinds of ultimately self-inflicted fuck ups that causes him immense regret, grief and anger even though he should've seen it all coming given his supposed omniscience. Not to mention a truly omnipotent being could just skip everything and instantly create its own preferred version of reality without any unwanted compromises or necessary evils it doesn't like. Nor would a perfectly moral being fall so easily to human vices like rage or pride. Even if one attempts to take the book at face value, the guy reads more like an extremely powerful but not a truly tri-omni being who's really touting his horn. Or a really badly written Mary Sue.
>>695185147No idea what he says originally but that take about Shakespeare is unironically based
>>695176875why does it look like a dick and balls? obviously intentional
>>695189972>No, because that is a self-contradictionthe truly divine should be able to do contradictory things, this is how we have the trinity.
>>695190350>what's a demiurge anyway>keep seeing that fucked up lion for years but I cant make sense of the definitions or memesWatch Max Derrat videos, they will explain everything about the Demiurge and Gnostics.
>>695190480Jesus is God taking humanity's punishment for their sins in their stead. It's a way for people to find salvation.Why do so many people not understand this? Hell is your own fault. He doesn't force you there, you go there by your own free will.
>>695190574If you saw that and the first thing to come to mind was "dick and balls" you're a total unhinged faggot that probably takes pozz loads from random niggers in public restrooms night after night.
>>695190684and you're a retard who can't see what's staring him directly in the face
>>695190636No? You cannot violate definitions like that because that's just how definitions work. If you tried to make a triangular circle, you won't be able to no matter how powerful or reality warping you are. Once you add any straight side to it, it stops being a circle. By definition, God is eternal.
>>695190640>Jesus is God taking humanity's punishment for their sins in their steadWhy do so many Christians just mindlessly repeat the story when this point gets brought up without understanding any of the underlying points? Jesus' sacrifice is not a sacrifice, unless you count giving away your weekend a proper price for all of humanity's sins. The guy becomes (assuming he ever stopped being) god again and rules supreme for all eternity. No actual sacrifice was made, in fact the people betraying and crucifying Jesus made a much greater sacrifice in fulfilling his master plan, after which they assumedly were thrown into hell for all eternity for the crime of doing what Jesus wanted them to do. Secondly, the core idea behind substitutionary atonement is retarded and there's a very good reason even Christians don't normally accept it as just. If a person rapes and murders someone, we don't allow the murderer to designate an innocent sacrificial lamb (animal or human) who dies in their stead. It's a miscarriage of justice, a loophole for criminals to avoid personal accountability.Third, the story removes god's omnipotence: god is able to do everything... except forgive without a blood sacrifice. God doesn't want to send you to hell... he is just unable to prevent himself from creating hell and torturing you if engage in wrongthink. Fourth, it's inconsistent: in some cases Jesus just forgives people in the stories, no blood sacrifice necessary. Again, inconsistent power level.>Hell is your own fault. He doesn't force you there, you go there by your own free will.If a madman puts a gun to your head and says "suck my cock or I'll torture you", is the madman a perfectly good and just person who truly respects the victim's free will?
>>695190831If God can't make a triangular circle than he is not all-powerful and therefore can be killed.
Every god and notion of God is a man-made parasite.Feed it with your faith. With your soul. Submit yourself to it. Do not question its evident malice, only offer your sacrifices. It needs you.Keep it alive. Infect the thoughts of others. Frighten them into servitude.A parasite has no reason whatever to keep the promises it makes.An afterlife? It'll just devour you.
>>695190713STFU cum guzzling faggot.
>>695190480>sacrificing himself to himself in order to prevent himself from torturing people in the torture chambers he himself created for the great crime of being created in the way he himself decreed.Is God schizophrenic?
>>695191283>god is able to do everything... except forgive without a blood sacrificeYou don't think god can do that?
>>695187443>Nothing looks more retarded than a person trying to cram God into his 9th grade philosophy sized box.Well theres always the people who turn make believe into a life style.
>>695176996Well he sure is as heterosexual as OP is.
>>695191283>Secondly, the core idea behind substitutionary atonement is retarded and there's a very good reason even Christians don't normally accept it as just.Jews do, and the origin of Christianity was just some jewish reform movement.
>>695191758If he can, then why doesn’t he?
>>695183003how could we as made in his form pretend to be retarded if it wasn't one of God's many aspects?
>>695182091I love this image on a profound level
>>695190350It's a limited creation deity two degrees removed from true divinity, characterized by its ignorance and ego making it believe that creating an imperfect physical world is a divine feat. The world being a shitty entropic system where suffering and evil are inescapable. This line of thought is creationism without copes. Yes there is a god, no he doesn't have a plan for you and he doesn't love you. He perpetuates an impure reality for his own amusement.
>>695191784>Trannies out of nowhere
>>695192114He sounds like a real jerk.
>>695192119>Theists are trannieswhat
>>695191323God is a logical being. There is nothing logical about a triangular circle, just like there is nothing logical about being able to kill God. It's like saying you're weak if you aren't simultaneously the strongest and weakest person on Earth.
>>695192243Just making a joke about people whose entire lives revolve around a ridiculous fiction they made up.God exists btw.
>>695189478America was a christian nation back when they dropped the nukes
Here is your Demiurge, bro
>>695191919Because god is judicial and not personal. Like a real judge, he could forgive you for murdering someone if he really wanted but he'd be a shit judge if he did.
>>695183896I'm sure your mum meant well doing it.
>>695192658I didn’t murder anybody, some simp ate a fruit.
>>695192264Logic is a set of limitations based on assumptions, it would be foolhardy to assume the divine would be bound to logic.
>>695185268That's retardedYou can build a car that doesn't mean the car can't waste your ass
>>695192693The story of Adam and Eve was always just a story. You could take it as literal but it, like many of the other stories in the bible have always been taken as divine inspiration. I don't understand why American Protestantism has decided to take it literally over the past 200 years but unfortunately that's where were at.
>>695192658Jesus has forgiven millions of murderers thoughbeit.
>>695192927Why crime was committed that required Christ’s sacrifice if you apparently don’t believe in original sin?
>>695182091>weakest fingolian male vs strongest outsider entity
>>695191283The dying for our sins bit is pure kikery meant to lessen the hatred people have of Jews killing the only good Jew that people actually liked in several thousand yearsHe was meant to lead humanity to peace, not be the victim of a Jewish ain transfer ritual
>>695187954Based dinoman
>>695193080Nah, apparently there are archons for days after we've put down demiurge. And also that "ein sof" guy or someshit. But we're gonna put him/her/it/that down too. The alarmist are saying that everything will cease to exist after we get him but they said the same about Azathoth and that guy turned out to be a wet fart.
>>695193136He was the Michael Jackson of his era.
>>695192580wtf I want to serve the archons now
>>695193006I believe there is sin that has always been inherent to humans but Christ has given us a path of redemption through his sacrifice. Maybe there was a moment early in our evolution where we refused god but I don't think it's exactly like it says in the bible.
>>695193443>FORGIVE THEM FATHER THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO AAAAAAAAA>Earthquakes and blood red skies for hours>Aww nice this is exactly as planned, thank you for killing him for us :)You got played
>>695193584Then don't follow Him.
>>695180216>2nd Book of Kings >Moabite King's Sacrifice to Chemosh lets him drive off YHWH's peopleDirect loss to another god.
>UMMMMM ACKSHUALLY GOD'S A BIG FAT MEANIE HADGiga cringe
>>695177215you worship a jew on a stick
>>695177556>>695176996Jew, stop trying to shill.
>>695191283think of it as extreme autism. the law must be uphold, and yet He wants things to change. In His great power, made Himself a man, but at the same time is not Him, like your arm is yours, but it's not (You).People like Kierkegaard believed Jesus wasn't omniscient, and indeed died, for real, with only the vague promise that everything would be alright. how can a man have such resolve after many trials? days earlier, he literally prayed for an abort mission. (Mathew 26:39)
>>695179392>>695180116Holy Based! Aristotle Chads, Assemble!
>>695176996but the christian/abrahamic god is also the demiurge...
>>695191706Unironically yes.
>>695192658He’s the one who made the rules in the first place, so he’s more like the legislature than a judge.
egregores all
