Please help me undertand the appeal of the '4 niggas in a row' genre. These games are always long as fuck, usually have slow/repetitive/brainless combat, and have less agency and story telling than a VN. Whats the point?
>>695182686It's outdated trash only liked because the shitch isn't powerful enough to run anything in real time
>two namefags appear>give shit answersHuh
A lot of the genre is shit, but a lot of any genre is shit. Also you can ruin otherwise good games by grinding, which a lot of people do and then call the genre grindy.
>>695182686They presented a world to explore in the 80s that no other game did, casuals loved themToday? There is no reason for them to exist since the gameplay is and has always been, braindead. They are still propped up by nostalgiafags and pokemon.
>>695182686Story, character building system sometimes and the adventure scenarios are a lot of fun at least for some of us. Combat is as difficult as the devs decide to make it but it's true that a lot of the games aren't made to be super challenging outside of the occasional super boss.Once ATB gets involved you also get a nice active element to your decision making though not all of the games take full advantage of that either.
>>695182686In the past they sold because they were the only genre where you could walk around and talk to NPCs and shitIts pretty much a dead genre in the current year and the main reason is that the gameplay presents no challenge.Persona and pokemon are still around and are huge thanks to the characters/fluffy animals and people wanting to live in those worlds and immerse themselves, selfinserting/masturbation purposes basically not because of the gameplay.
The entire gameplay, and the real reason people play four niggas in a row games, is building your party and seeing how they perform. The "just press attack" part of the genre is just a visualization of your plans and strategies in action. This is very satisfying to people like me who love planning and strategizing and it's why games like HSR can get away with autobattling.
Its the sense of forward progression.You know you are progressing even just by pressing buttons carelessly. It feels good in a specific way when a character levels up.
>"why does this genre suck so much">FF picEvery fucking time.
Its my to go relax genre after 10 hours straight of grinding a cave shmup
subhuman hues will never EVER know this feel
>>695182686yeah they're all brainless all you do is mash attack lmao
>>695186647Talk about a cherrypicked webm.
You know you can do more than just attack right?
>>695186647>look I fought a strong monster while underlevellled that means the genre is hardCome on now
You're not supposed to grind like crazy. I wish the developers had more brains and made it so that fighting the same enemies in one area for an hour would eventually yield 0 exp and force you to move on.
>>695186743>>695187039Pirate Etrian Odyssey 3, which this vid is from, or any of the others and report back retard.
>>695187603Anon, I'm not stupid. Don't sit here trying to bullshit me like I don't know what that webm did.
>>695182686The combat is brainless. You just smash X to win. Simpletons love that shit.
>>695182792some things never change
>>695187039>>695186743>cherrypicked>underlevelledthat's floor 1, that's the fucking first enemy you encounter
>>695182686I could tell you succinctly, in about 1 to 2 sentences, but there's no point.
>>695190076>Faris spot 1>Leena spot 2NGMI and HWNBAW
>>695182686For retards that like watching numbers go up while listening to good music.
>>695182686Play play any mainline smt game from 3 onwards and you'll see.It's not as hardcore/obtuse/autistic as, say SaGa, but is challenging enough to show that turn based can >fun
>>695186743that's a common enemy from the tutorial area
>>695182686It's fun
>>695182686FF3 is actually a pretty short game, they only got stupidly long with FF7 onward.
>>695182968This, I didn't grind in any of the 2D FF's. People are just bad and retarded.
>>695188184>>695190195
>'4 niggas in a row' genre
>>695182686>Please help me undertand the appeal of the '4 niggas in a row' genre. These games are always long as fuck, usually have slow/repetitive/brainless combat, and have less agency and story telling than a VN. Whats the point?why WHY WHY? you dont have to like what you dont like, but WHY cant you let people like the things they like? i dont understand this mentality. you dont have to understand it, you dont have to also like it but why cant you just comprehend that some things aren't meant to be for you to enjoy but others can? does that annoy you, make you angry, do you get jealous? is it main character syndrome?
>>695193272it's crazy people actually look like this
>>695193304like what?
>>695193272Worthless brown people struggle to comprehend opposing tastes. And the brown retard OP is clearly an American nigger zoomer which makes it even worse. His IQ is likely 40 or lower.
>>695193341Like ungroomed brown manlets with greasy Mexican hair wearing shitty clothing
>>695193431its cringekino, bro, hermano, you wouldn't get it.
>>695193431He doesn't look ungroomed to me, eyebrows and facial hair are clean, its just the hair thats messy
>>695192382anon every FF game from like IV-X are 30-45 hours
>No tutorial>No directions>Everything is bugged>Excessively difficult>Zero online capabilityKino. Enjoy paying to play your transgender school assignments zoomies.
>>695182686this is literally just japanese dnd
>>695193624Yeah I'm sure when you look at someone who is also ungroomed you see nothing wrong you filthy ghetto nigger
WAOW
>>695182686is your ideal world one where everyone likes the same shit or just one where everyone just likes what you like? Which is it?>>695193272i LITERALLY look like that
>>695182686speed up setting and story and job customization, who tricked you into playing the NES originals? you are a retard for believing him
>>695182686Math and imagination
>>695194670its just imagination you can get on a lot of JRPGs by just mashing X if you are well geared and a good level.>mfw I can imagine these cutscenes vividlyFeels good man
FFIII is like 20 hours.>>695187597That's one of the ideas of FFII and you can see how that worked out.
>>695182686I never understood rpgs>difficulty is nullified by playing suicidally to take notes, then reloading your save and re-equipping to counter enemies>unique one-use items that nobody uses because you're stuck thinking about a superboss where you'll need them>you can't re-do your stats or build so if you fuck up (and you probably will without a guide) you'll be left with a weak partythey're only good for the story I guess>agencywho the fuck gives a shit about story branches? they're always done like shit as they end up merging. besides, people don't like replaying games to get 1 or 2 extra lines of dialogue
>>695196683hm yes the game you are talking about definitely exists
>>695194583Famicom is the best version of 3.
>>695196502dragon quest 1 predates FF and even that game had it figured out.
>>695190195>great lynxNo, it isn't.
>>695182686I occassionally like going on a little adventure where I don't need any reaction time whatsoever.
>>695182686I like to see the numbers go up it's that simple
>>695182686Melee combat doesn't requiere the same skills as ranged combat because you don't have to aim.That's why roll and parryslop are basically the only games with truly engaging real-time melee combat.Turn based systems are primordial ludo and will be always be around.Also use your imagination, 16 bits games leaves a lot of room for imaginations, you're supposed to immerse yourself through visual clues.
>>695182686You're a stupid retard, so you will never understand.
Most JRPG are pretty annoying to me because of that. Some people like them, I dont. I prefer the Dungeon Crawler style.
>>695192181Yeah it's still grindy and repetitive, but the element of poking and prodding for your enemy's weaknesses is much more rewarding. The fact you can get wiped or walled more often and be forced to change your tactics makes them the best.
>>695199448I want to like dungeon crawlers but I can't ever bring myself to beat most. The genre usually uses my favorite battle system among the turn based variants, I'm into the resource management, and minimal interruptions during gameplay are nice, but it feels like exploring huge mazes is only fun for a relatively short while.
>>695199749That's the best part, the exploration, discovering puzzles and secrets. Legend of Grimrock 2 did Real time combat with a huge map.
I can't even explain why I like these games. I play them and think "wow this is great" but then I get into a dungeon and it's just a pain in the ass having to backtrack to explore every dead end because you just know one of them is going to have some treasure you don't want to miss. then you get out of the dungeon and go to the next town which is cool but becomes a pain in the ass again because you have to talk to every single villager and look in every trash can in case there's some other missable shit that would absolutely ruin the game for me if I found out I didn't get it. then after 40 hours of not actually liking the gameplay I finally finish it and think "wow that was great." I don't know maybe it's the soundtracks.
>>695195320The gear is one of the elements of the math.
>>695199892more or less sums it up.it's even more of a pain when you're learning jap and you have to do 5 lookups per NPC
>>695182686Rows are overrated. Switch to spinnable diamonds.
>>695186360Wtf I don't remember making this post.Same, turn-based RPGs are among my favorite genres, except I don't get to practice the cave shmup for 10 hours straight unless it's the weekend.
>>695182686personally, it's about the preparation>choosing classes, doubly so when they allow you to change mid-game>getting better equipment to further emphasize the classes strengths>repeat that x4 for the other characters, even more if the classes can enhance each other>achieve godlike broken shit no enemy can survive past turn 2that's all. I don't really care about story or difficulty, I just want to create cool teams and roll the game with it.
>>695182686turn-cringe combat should have been phased out of existence the day Zelda released on the NES.
>>695200757Cute, game?
>>695182686It's peak ADHD core actually. Minimal input and thought required for shit to happen on screen. I'd keep grinding for hours when I was playing JRPGs as a kid.
>>695182686its a simplified single player dnd campaign. The combat comes from dice roles, the story comes through the campaign elements, the exploration, finding loot and character progressionThat is the appeal of 4 niggas in a row.
It's funny how turn based gameplay makes people so angryThey feel FOMO because everyone is talking about certain turn based JRPGs and want in on it but get filtered. Some even demand turn based games to be extinguished altogether because the FOMO is that strong
>>695204001totally because of fomo and not because it's outdated brainless slop
>>695203981>The combat comes from dice rolesNot true, too much RNG is usually considered a flaw.
>>695204153Then why are you so angry about it? You're jealous you want to play these games but you're too zoomer brained
>>695204219i'm angry because the budget going to this shit could've been spent on real games instead
>>695186743etrianfags in particular are always the most disingenuous posters when it comes to defending their series for some reason
RPGs are flawed>play the main story>character is weak and you dont experience the entire gameor>play the sub missions>you get stronger than the main story enemies
>>695204001>filteredby boredom, yeah. it would be nice if people took their interesting settings and stories and created gameplay around it that doesn't suck huge cock and balls instead of lazy turn-cringe combat, but it doesn't make me "mad" as much as it makes me think "well that stinks, guess i'll go play Dark Souls or Mana or something"
>>695202738https://vrpghonyakubu.neocities.org/enchantfarm/enchantfarm-main
>>695187039this is one of the literal first enemies in the game
>>695204267Cry more then
>>695204164it comes from dice rolls, older jrpgs like the first FF had lower accuracy rates so you're praying to rng for your moves to land like you're praying to not roll a 0.You can say it's a flaw or that it makes people unhappy or whatever but that's where it comes from
>>695204271Have you ever consider that maybe they're just correct in defending it?
>>695204001Careful with those posts anon, you can't expose zoomers this badly.
>>695204518ehhh I don't know, it's bottom of the barrel as far as DRPGs go, I'd rather play Experiencetrash than etrianslop
>>695204683>bottom of the barrel as far as DRPGs goQuite literally the opposite.>I'd rather play Experiencetrash than etrianslopLol. Lmao. Nice one.
>>695204397>its dark souls and kings field!!not with that turn cringe combat its not
>>695204001I've noticed that the same people who hate turn-based games also hate it when a game doesn't have voice acting, and think that adding in voicework objectively makes a game better 100% of the time.It kind of reveals their hand.
>>695204727>Quite literally the oppositeI'm gonna assume you're a zoomer from the fact you use the word "literally" with reckless abandon for what is your (garbage) subjective opinionif so, play something other than etrianslop for once in your life, zoome
>>695204897>adding in voicework objectively makes a game better 100% of the timethat is objectively correct thougheverbeit, but voice acting has to be good and not some rahjeet from fiver
>>695182686The japanese is a weird being.
>>695196683>and you probably will without a guidefiguring shit out without a guide is one of the "fun" things to do, though
>>695205007No, I used the word in its direct literal sense. I've played enough DRPGs to know that none come even close to EO. Some of them do some things better, but the quality of the overall package never hits the same level.
>>695205019So turn-based combat always bores you and you need to hear an actual voice to better consume dialogue?I'm guessing you either have adhd or have trouble visualizing things in your head, if not both?I'm not making fun of you. I'm assuming this is true of most zoomers, whereas only some boomers suffered from it. I'm assuming it has to do with overstimulation growing up.
>>695205171i enjoy quality voicework in videogames, in a similar way that one enjoys nice visuals or good music. never said i *need* to have it, just that having it makes the game better. there's no reason not to add voice acting except for budget concerns or if the game is 8-/16-bit (etc.) styled.never said anything about turn-based combat itself too
>>695182686The point is to explore and find fat loot and ways to break the game. Story really killed the genre by attracting the dumbest audience imaginable.
>>695205078it definitely is, but the people with the money to buy games don't have energy or time sadly.
Why do people try to force themselves to play genres they dislike. I know I hate 3d platformers so I don't play them. Simple as that. I don't demand /v/ explain to me why people like banjo.
>>695182686Number go up, makes my caveman brain happy. The better RPGs also tend to ask for at least a modicum of interaction beyond mashing the super effective attack
>>695206039>I don't demand /v/ explain to me why people like banjo.You should.
>>695206039Because disliking things is a disability. By definition, you have fewer positive experiences than other people. It takes some mental gymnastics to spin that into being a good thing.It's the same reason why lactose intolerant people sometimes say fuck it and have some ice cream or eat some cheese.
>>695204397This is great. Best rpg since Black Souls.
