> CHRISTIANITY IS..................LE BAD?!?!?!??!?!?
Christians deserve to get bullied
>>695199593Religious enough to make religious reasons to dodge draft. What does Atheism offer?
>>695199593>religion promotes being a good person>leftists hate itYup, checks out
>>695199997>being a good person>"hurr durr, let's kill everyone who we deem as heretics, and stagnate any form of scientific progress!!"
>>695200162>Christianity is modern islam
>>695199523Correct, but islam is worse so we don't really need to worry about christianity for now.
>>695199997i remember when i was 12
>>695199523why do people even criticize this game with this shit. the religious themes are barely apparent at all outside of character names which are easy to ignore.
>>695200162>>695200241>projection and insultsThe leftist BTFO special
>>695200241Most people remember the past year or so of their life.
>>695200162>zealots who don’t follow the basic teachings of the Bible are the majorityThis argument has never been convincing to anyone but your own echo chambers
>>695200196>modern islamGlownigger financed radical terror jihadi islamist cells*
>>695200289The word Christian is used within seconds of the opening cutscene and God himself speaks directly in itAlso the game is literally called The Binding of Isaac
>>695200289>the religious themes are barely apparent at all outside of character namesbro are you fucking joking
>>695199523No but being a televangelist obsessed schizo who thinks god told you to kill your own son is but who am I kidding this threads already done its job
>>695200239>literal warzone has less terrorism than ireland
>>695199593
>>695199523Yeah it's pretty bad.
>>695200481I guess I phrased that wrong. When I play this game I don't even notice any of it because I don't care. Absolutely nobody plays this game because it's anti christian, they play it because they like rougelikes and find it fun. To pretend otherwise is retarded.
even dawkins, one of the biggest proponents of atheism recently admitted that christianity is good and atheism is destroying western society
>>695200664On that note I agree with you. It's not a religious game per se, in the shitty biblegames sense. The gameplay comes first and foremost.
>>695200713he said that about islam dobiet
>nooo I need to be mad at a fucking flash game because my brownoid migabros told me mock my based religion gets mocked... le west has fallen...
>>695199523How many times are you going to make this thread, we get it Christianity is le misunderstood
Christianity is a jokeSame as scientology and many other new religions.We can trace it back and have enough historical evidence to prove it wrongHell, it's even confirmed the bible people worship and follow has been rewritten and modified a ton of times by different kings and shitNo wonder the whole religion constantly begs its followers to "just have faith and believe"If they didn't follow it blindly it's way too easy to debunk.christianity has always been the religion of retards and the weak willed.
>>695200558>You're a tranny because you don't worship kikes
>>695200983>We can trace it back and have enough historical evidence to prove it wrongOh this is great. Please, go ahead and prove Genesis wrong. Ill wait.
>>695200983>the bible people worship and follow has been rewritten and modified a ton of times by different kings and shitProttie detected
>>695200713>atheism is destroying western societyathiesm is destroying western society because most of them tend to be huge cunts and like to mentally police people. someone who is not religious just isn't religious and never brings it up or discusses it. an atheist is actively behaving like a cunt.
>>695201097Is the statement wrong?
>>695201047Adam and Eve proves genesis wrong on its own
>>695200983>christianity has always been the religion of retards and the weak willed.when retards like you say this, it becomes obvious that your opinions are worthless because you truly don't understand WHY people developed religion in the first place. it was developed as a way to explain things that they didn't understant, like thunderstorms, child birth, or flying birds. it wasn't developed as a way to grift stupid people out of money, even if that is what it eventually became. go back to fucking reddit. better yet, go back to high school, you clearly haven't graduated yet and just questioned the existence of god for the first time like 3 months ago.
>>695201148Protestants care more about their own country than God, they aren't real christians
>>695201224Explain why do you think it does.this isn't proof anon.Go ahead, prove Genesis wrong. I'm still waiting.Do it in your next reply, or I'll accept your concession that you couldn't do it.Go ahead.
>>695201010
>>695201275Sounds based. But how does that relate to the original point?
>>695201271>admits christianity is a grift>"But you don't understand! Stop being stupid!"
>>695201319jesus was described as looking like this, blond and blue eyed, in all the writings from that periodbut he's somehow a kike because kikes said so and you must support pissrael even though kikes also say that they hate jesus and that he's in hellweird
>>695201318Prove it isn'tDo it in your next reply or I'll acccept your concession that you couldn't do it.Go ahead.
>>695201479Retards like you think it was developed as a grift. The internet was created to share information and ideas, but eventually was used to scam stupid people out of money. According to your brainrot, that means the internet was specifically created to spam ads and buy stuff on amazon. Again, you're proving you're a child who doesn't know what she (male) is talking about.
>>695201581>Says he can prove Christianity wrong>Ask him to do it>"I can't do it..."LOLConcession accepted, thanks for admitting you can't do it.;^)
>>695201514You might find this to be surprising, but Christianity did not exist before Jesus was born. You'll never believe what the predominate religion was in the area he was born in at the time.
>>695201715LOLConcession accepted, thanks for admitting you can't do it.;^)
>>695199593Shalom, kike
>>695200162>Dude! Just tolerate evil, live and let liveNever let evil (You) take roots
>>695201792>Doesn't know what a "concession" isLol, you're using the word wrong anon. I never concerning anything, because I never said I was arguing for a side.I just asked you to prove yourself right, and you could not.Concession accepted. (That means I accept your admission of defeat);^)
>>695199523yes, religious people in general are annoying and preachy af but christcucks are the worst.nobody cares about your unsolicited advice or attemps at moral shaming.
>>695201581>prove a negativeShalom again
>>695201874>concerning*Conceded
>>695201874He said if you reply without a rebuttal, you conceded that you were wrong. You replied. You didn't provide anything. That means you were wrong.
>>695201912>t. Never been with jews or muslimsShalom to you as well
>>695201689Holy shit, that's a lot of projection suddenly.Especially considering I'm not trans and happily male.But if you're so obsessed with that kind of stuff you may want to consider just doing it instead of thinking about it all the time and lashing out at people you're jealous of.
>>695201912In the same way, atheists are obnoxious cunts who constantly try to bring people down. They're much worse about it than any Christian, because most atheists are terminally online autists who can't stand when people don't agree with them.
>>695201937>He*YouObvious samefag is obvious.
>>695201962christians are x10 more insufferable than muslims. Im sure worshipping some sand eater and believe in spaghetti monster will pay off bro.
>>695201874Concession accepted. (That means I accept your admission of defeat);^)
>>695202054Sorry, I already won when you refused to answer me.See>>695201715;^)
>>695202036Ok you hateful piece of shitGod I hate jews like you so fucking much
>>695200558>>695201798???
>>695200532Truly a mystery why that is
>>695202036Muhammad, we all know you are a Muslim.How is your child wife today? Have you read your Qur'an?
>>695202036Rent free
>>695202104Sorry, I already won when you refused to answer me. ;^)
>>695202253I already accepted your concession by then.See>>695201715;^)
>>695202036muslims kill women who show their hair and throw babies off of the roof
>Says Christianity is wrong>Says we can 100% prove this "fact">Anon is unable to prove Christianity is wrongWhy are retards like this?
>>695199523Yes anon, we know it's just stating the obvious and beating a dead horse.
>>695202316I already accepted your concession by then. ;^)
It came out when Dawkins was a pop culture darling and atheism was popular on the internet. BoI's saving grace from aging poorly is that it doesn't actually have a story beyond the intro sequence.
>>695202356Muslims rape 6 year olds. It's in the Quran as an example of "being a perfect man".Perfect islamic men rape 6 year old children.
>>695202136>>695202224>>695202247
>>695199523All religions are le bad. Believing in Jesus, Muhammed, Moses, is like believing in Santa or the Flying spaghetti monster. Humanity is doomed.
>>695200162>and stagnate any form of scientific progress!!but that's literally what trannies and leftists have been doing for the last few decades?
>>695202036>reddit tranny that has never been subjected to three fucking prayer calls a day
>>695202378>ESL can't readLol!See>>695201715For the earliest concession ITT.;^)
>>695201689>Retards like you think it was developed as a grift. It was. The fact that it also had an ancillary function that enabled it doesn't change the fact that ultimately, functionally, it was used by people to control and abuse the weak minded.>According to your brainrot, that means the internet was specifically created to spam ads and buy stuff on amazonAbsolute autism. You are way too attached to the "initial ideal" of a thing, which is neither relevant nor remarkable.>C-child!!You should, however, familiarise yourself with the concept of irony.
>>695202367The real problem is arguing with christians is entirely pointlessThey're already retarded enough to believe that shit, you could hit them in the face with proof so hard they bleed and they'd just go into denial or form yet another branch-off church.
>>695200713because islam is rising in Britain and unlike the white christians/atheists of britain, the 80 IQ muslims aren't so forgiving about words
>>695202450>>and stagnate any form of scientific progress!!Also Christianity founded some of the first universities for science historically. Christians love science.
>>695202493>ESL can't readLol!;^)
>>695202537If they can't prove it wrong, why say you can?
>>695202624If christians can't prove it right, why do they believe in it?
>>695202612Show me the where you think I "conceded" first in your next reply or you lose.Go ahead, or should I accept this concession too?;^)
>>695200983>christianity has always been the religion of retards and the weak willedis that why under christianity, europe was at it's peak in terms of world dominance and prosperity? meanwhile right now when atheism is rising it's basically going extinct?
>>695202671Dunno, I wasn't talking about that.If atheists can't prove theirs claim "that it's not true and I can prove it!" To be correct, why do they believe it?
>>695202537*tips fedora* well met fellow redditor! mind to share your username so we can discuss this like intellectuals away from the brain dead cesspool that is 4channel?
>>695202557rewriting history i see christcuck, its called the dark ages for a reason.
people complaining about people online not respecting christianity are some of the whiniest bitches alive. sorry that people are allowed to make fun of your religion now i guess you'll just have to settle for the paltry centuries of global hegemony it enjoyed. sorry
>>695202680Show me the where you think I "conceded" first in your next reply or you lose.Go ahead, or should I accept this concession too?;^)
>>695202758I'm not Christian, but nice cope. Very cute.
>>695202690funny thing is, all of those advancements ALREADY exist now from under european christianity, so atheist redditors think we're smarter now with the technology, even though they don't understand the circumstances under which why they are able to enjoy clean water and vaccinations
>>695202758>its called the dark ages for a reasoneven during the dark ages technology didn't stagnate and the church collected and preserved old world knowledge to the best of it's abilities
>>695202734No idea. I'm not an atheist.
>>695202557YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO POINT THAT OUT CHUDTHINK ABOUT POOR GALILEO
>>695202807You're also not much of a historian, but feel free to keep making shit up randomly to defend a religion you don't even follow.
>>695202786Concession accepted one final time.Thanks for admitting you don't know how to read, Parrot-anon.I wish you could have proved your claim true, I was excited to see you disprove Genesis. Shame you couldn't do it after 30 minutes of me asking.Have a good day;^)
>>695202854You can't really point out something that didn't actually happen. You know the concept of universities outdates Christianity by literal millennia, right?
why do Christians want to pretend they're oppressed anyway? just martyr complex?
>>695202857Why do you think it's untrue? Google it bitch, it's not a secret.
>>695202826preserving old knowledge isnt the same as stagnating progress.christcucks always downplay the damage they and other religions have had upon human ascendency, Humans should be masters of their own fate not groveling at the foot of some imaginary " god "
>>695202947>It's true just go search for proof to my claim it has to be out there somewhere!You my friend, are truly something "special".
>>695202938>You know the concept of universities outdates Christianity by literal millennia, right?That's a big claim, you really mean "millennia"? Ok, please post some proof.
>>695202768Christians are used to everyone kissing ass that the slightest real criticism with teeth or even anyone being kind of mean seems like Literally 1984they would lose their minds if they had to deal with even one tenth of the shit literally any other religion has to deal with
>>695202991>Refuses to do any research>"BUT IT'S DEFINITELY NOT TRUE REEEEEEEEEEEE"Ok.Have fun being wrong.
>>695202993>Who is Kong QuiPlease come back when you have the basic fundamental knowledge to even be having this conversation, child.
>>695202884Concession accepted one final time.Thanks for admitting you don't know how to read, Tard-anon.I wish you could have proved you're not a retard. Shame you couldn't do it after 30 minutes of me asking.Have a good day;^)
>>695202993Anon is exaggerating, it's centuries.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademia
>>695203031>N-no just research my random made up bullshit! It's surely true and worth your time!!Can you just stop going full retard for a bit? Thanks.
>>695199523 it's still "Christianity is... still le good"The real take away is "Dogma/Evangelism is... le bad?!?!?!"
>>695202537Just tell them how life was created without a divine process, shouldn’t be too hard since you’re obviously so intelligent.>Fedoralords still can’t answer that>”m-muh unproven abiogenesis”
>>695203054And you think he was around "millennias" before Jesus? Lol.
>>695203054>Who is Kong Quia person, not a university and a philosopher at that, when anon said "some of the first universities for SCIENCE"get some reading comprehension zoomie
>>695203117>Anon seriously, sincerely asking someone to prove a negativeLmao. Well you did prove something alright, you proved that other anon was exactly right.
>>695203103>Tell anon he can fact check me>He doesn't and complains about itCan you just stop going full retard for a bit? Thanks.
>>695203117If you put a bunch of inorganic material in a pot and heat it up, organic material inevitably arises. This is a process that has been proven beyond all doubt, and from organic material to DNA or another self-replicating molecule it's a trivial step.
>>695203216>This is a process that has been proven beyond all doubtCool, so it should be easy to post a demonstration of it and prove your claim true.Please, go ahead.
Don't mind me, just an agnostic passing through
>Christianity bad!!!Yes. What are you going to do about it?
>>695203271https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment
>>695203289I'm going to make the Binding of Islam.
>>695203161>Anon is now trying to seriously argue that Kong Qui was "just a philosopher"Just admit you said something entirely stupid and learn something from it instead of pathetically doubling down on your bullshit.>>695203160No, anon, the actual argument would be more nuanced, since it would be quite insane to assume Kong Qui was the first, and that the principle of universities, such as they are, has existed since humans developed and exchanged ideas in larger societies.>B-but what if I keep interpreting your words in the most retarded manner possible to try and score internet points?!Then you'd remain a child.
>>695203330Okay thanks.But the real issue is, where do these things come from? And why does science grant itself "one free miracle" in the big bang?
To anyone that hates Christianity because of their nutcase parents, remember that you didn't fall very far from the tree. You are just as much of a dogmatic nutcase, only you're preaching a different gospel.
>>695203186The only way to turn a Christian atheist is with facts. If you don’t even know the answer yourself, why be a miserable militant about it?>>695203216>inevitablyYou’re not going to convince anyone with bullshit wordplay. Define how long “inevitably” is because sophistry is why Atheism became a laughingstock in the recent decade.
>>695203213>I-I can't prove my claims but you need to fact check them anywayOK. I checked, there was nothing, you're full of shit.
>>695202982>preserving old knowledge isnt the same as stagnating progressYou know it's called the Dark Ages because there were so few surviving literary documents from that time? It happened because papyrus trade basically fucking ended with the fall of the WRE and media for writing was rare and expensive which made it so mostly clergy and civil servants were able to write anything about the era, the term "the Dark Ages" wasn't even coined until 400 years after the Dark Ages by some Italian writer who was upset at such little literature coming from the era, it had nothing to do with "muh stagnation", technology still progressed but documentation became more limited.>Humans should be masters of their own fate not groveling at the foot of some imaginary " god "Yeah and as it turns out they kill themselves when they do that or become trannies and sterilise themselves for life kek.
>>695203363I asked you to post proof that "universities have been around for millennia" and you couldn't do it.Thanks for admitting you were wrong and I was right.
>>695203404>The only way to turn a Christian atheist is with facts. If you don’t even know the answer yourself, why be a miserable militant about it?It's funny how you're this desperately dedicated to one of the most basic logical fallacies.
>>695203439>I'm going to pretend you couldn't do it because I'm a retard and have to be rightFTFY.
>GUYS CHRISTIANITY IS TOTALLY GREATMeanwhile in reality
>>695203387>And why does science grant itself "one free miracle" in the big bang?The universe exists, and the last serious alternative to the Big Bang was steady state cosmology, which was ruled out in the late 1960s by the discovery of the cosmic microwave background, and even old models like the Steady State Model worked with the fact that the universe itself is expanding. We work with the Big Bang theory because so far we have no alternative, and God is an even more absurd theory. Sure, it's a "free miracle." But it's far better to have 1 point that we have to say "yeah we don't know how this happened" then introducing SEVERAL like any other theory (including God) would.
>>695203518scientific advancement measured in ISO scientific advancement units
>>695199523No. Zealotry bad.
>>695203404>inevitablyThe experiment arrived at organic matter in a week or so. When we're working with a timeframe of millions of years, yeah, that's pretty much something that will inevitably happen.
>>695203518anon you cant just buckbreak the christcucks like that no lube!
>>695203363>gets owned>provides zero proof and goes "i-if u wer smart u would know :))">digs head in the sand and starts going on schizo tangents to twist the argument into something else so he can "win"how embarrasing
I’d respect Christcucks if they kept to themselves and were chill about their beliefs instead of shouting all the time.
>>695199523man i wish i was christian or muslim or anything i want to believe in something higher, but i can't
>>695203762take drugs
>>695199523What part of "You will be hated by all, because of me" did you not understand?
>>695200239the fuck is going on in corsica
>>695203504You literally didn't do it. Where do you think you did?
>>695203387Why is it a miracle? True vacuum is inherently unstable.
>>695203576>The universe existsScience can't prove that.
>>695203816>No matter exists>Suddenly all matter exists>Science can't explain whyHow is it not a miracle?
>>695203518That graph has been proven bullshit long time ago, there isn't even a metric proposed for scientific advancement, and this graph would imply that scientific advancements also completely stopped even in places like China, Persia and India just because of Europe which also isn't true
>>695199523It's not about Christianity le bad. The mother is not a bad person in this game. She had a shitty husband and sank in Christian podcasts as a coping mechanism. But Isaac thinks of her as an evil fat hag because she took his handmade board game, which was created by his father.She did that because she was too pissed about her ex-husband. Isaac locked himself in a toy chest and the whole game is just his hallucinations from suffocation. But when you kill the mother in the game, you can hear how she desperately screams his name trying to find Isaac. She was just a usual Christian woman and it's only divorcing with husband makes her a fanatic. But she is not a monster.
>>695200532Anon... Ireland is all christians doing the terrorism. The list is also laughably incomplete when it comes to Eastern European terrorism. Poland is rife with shit by Russia that somehow doesn't get listed as terrorism because I guess whatever imbecile made this chart just went with "terrorism = explosions"
im an atheist, but since mudslims are flooding europe im standing arm in arm with christians and i hope one day we will be able to gas all those brown motherfuckers and send them straight to allah
>>695201271>it was developed as a way to explain things that they didn't understant, like thunderstorms, child birth, or flying birds.This has always been bullshit, religion was developed to anthropomorphize (or generally give shape) concepts that are relevant to that culture.Zeus is the god of thunder not because Greeks wanted to explain thunderstorms (where is the god of horror vacui then?) but because it represent power in its purest form and the power of thunder is awe inspiring (and something most people in Greece will be familiar with unlike, say, an avalanche).The Christian God represent the concept of good for all people (unlike Judaism which is the concept of good for the Jewish people), which is why His form is impossible to define (nobody knows what a truly perfect moral system looks like, but we can at least strive towards it) and why "not believing in him" means two very different things to christians and atheists.
>>695203923I think at this point people just post it as a joke/falseflag
>>695203663>”Trust me bro, these amino acids will somehow convert into RNA. Trust the plan. 2 million more years!”I think you’re missing a couple steps.
>>695200983You know your head will first on the chopping block if you let the Muslims take control, right ?
>>695204030That's how they get ya, just invite a bunch of worse heathens over and suddenly all the heathens come begging for your absolution.
>>695200713>preach against the religion that built the civilization you live in for your entire life>get the alternative>w-wait, not like that!get fucked
>>695204134>if you don't cut off your hand you'll have to cut off your whole arm bro!Or maybe just don't go cutting off bodyparts in the first place?
It's really funny how the Qur'an says everything in the Christian bible is true, while the Christian bible says the Qur'an is false.What the fuck do these wacky Muslims even believe?
>>695204232>What the fuck do these wacky Muslims even believe?Cunny is based>t. muslim
>>695204232Islamis is simply Christianity adapted to be more easily received by the desert dwelling population.If you strip away everything that was added to it to make the cultural transition easier you realize that it doesn't say anything fundamentally different from Christianity.
>>695203909That is somewhat correcthttps://www.quora.com/Can-a-vacuum-which-contains-no-matter-still-have-quantum-activity
>>695204447>QuoraNo thanks. Those guys are retards.
>>695204423Yes it does.It says you have no free will, and expressing free will is evil. Christianity says you have free will and it's divine and god-like. Muslims hate that, because they are extremely strict about their only being 1 god.That's a huge fundamental difference in the religions.
>>695204548I know. It was still a good enough summary with images for demonstrative purposes.
>>695204641Sure, but it's not actually proof of anything.
>>695204227I really would rethink your plan of wiping Christians off the population by encouraging the Muslims.
>>695203798Corsican ogres
>>695204423>The Qur'an says you should fuck 6 year olds to be a perfect example of a man, like Muhammad.>The bible says you should tie boulders to pedophiles necks and throw them in the oceanThey teach *very* different things.You are either a lying Muslim, or someone who never read either book.
>>695204790It falls under "things added to make the cultural transition easier"
>>695204843So you're aying Muslim. good to know.
>>695203518This map is hilarious.Do you know that most the people in the renaissance, enlightenment and modern science were christians? From physics to the space race, from art to literature?Christianity is no longer the unifying cultural force of the west, were is all the progress faggots like dawkins claimed religion was holding back?
>>695204843Muslims worship rocks.The bible says that is pagen shit and should be mocked.They are not teaching the same thing, Muhammad.
all religions are a waste of time
>>695200532We basically invented modern terrorism.
>>695205121But video games aren't?
>>695203576>We work with the Big Bang theory because so far we have no alternativeWhat if the empty space between galaxies just naturally produces atoms out of the vacuum of space? See>>695204447
>>695205293>My proof is this quora post that proves nothing:/
>>695204981I'm not, I just imagine that what happened was the same thing happens in many "Christian" cult, where somehow having an harem that includes your daughtes is perfectly ok
>>695199523yes, cope and seethehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWvwLkAQdXE
>>695205375That's not okay in Christianity. So thanks for confirming you never read either holy book.
>>695203762the sun is higher, it gives you life and you can see it everydaysun of god
>>695199523Yes, it is
>>695200289>peopleit's like one or two anons and they are probably just memeing because the thread always get replies
>>695205504>Tripfag
>>695202557False. That never happened
>>695204423where does it say in the new testament that marrying your cousin is ok?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage_in_the_Middle_East
>>695205548Literally did. Why do you think it didn't?You can Google it and find out I'm right, it's no secret.
>>695205321Sure, fine. I'll list the theories mentioned by that page since you're too lazy to open itDirac seaCasimir effectCalabi-Yau manifoldsIf you want a book to read, there's "Theory of the Physical Vacuum"Now can you talk about the individual theories instead of being a sperg?
>>695199523Isn't it not even about Christianity, but rather the mental anguish of a child caught in a failing marriage and his internalized feelings that he was the cause of the failure?
>>695205537You are mentally I'll
>>695205650I did read the post.It proves literally nothing. Why do you think it does?
>>695205632They weren't religious, no smart person is. They had to pretend to be so they weren't burnted at the stake
>>695205665You are projecting
>>695205665>Tripfag>"You are mentally I'll"Pot. Kettle. Black.
>>695205717For a huge part of history, only religious people could read.This cope is cute and all, but just look it up nigga.
>>695199593By this you are just proving that we are right
>>695200162>let's kill everyone who we deem as heretics, and stagnate any form of scientific progress!!Oh wow I didn't know we were living in the 1300 again!
>>695205293>everything can't come from nothing based on everything we know from physics>ah, but what about something coming from something?!?!"Quantum vacuum fluctuations" is by definition not nothing, and wouldn't be indicative of the universe pre big bang.
>>695205797You are mentally I'll
>>695205901See>>695205743
>>695205796False
>>695205797Religious spergs are funny how they insist atheists have their atheism as a religion while being equally insufferable.
Why are christcucks so insecure?
islam btfo, sorry mahmoods, there's no possible way you can convert me to your arab supremacist desert culthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYmAtPMNEns
>>695205956Please, fact check me.Go ahead.:^)
>>695205995Because they are stupid and backwards and cultists and zealots, just like tendies. No wonder there's a near 100% overlap
>>695205976Atheism is satanic religion, yes. Atheists worship Moloch and the basis of their ideas is pure selfishness
Atheist here, there's nothing wrong with this. I enjoyed playing this game while Jamal pleasured my wife (thankfully since we are no longer in the dark ages I'm free to let multiple bulls use my wife without issue)
>>695206059I already did
>>695206074>TripfagDisgusting.
>christianity is bad>gives player some breadcrumbs about the religion, wrapped into vivid (although often literally shitty) imagery, likely inviting people to find out more about characters and items and their revelance>god is never seen as bad or evil, to the point that using bible on satan, the fallen angel, punishes you instead>every bad thing in game happens due to mortals misunderstanding the word of god or abusing it for their personal gainPeople like OP are the reason board is nothing but attention whores seeking (You)s under the guise of trolling why why world is in deep shit - tell good things without smile and flowers, and you are evil. Tell evil things while wearing colorful clown jacket and offering a pie for listening, and you are good.
>>695206093atheists think moloch is as fake as all the other fake gods (including yours)
>>695206093And then he proves me correct.
>>695206132Oh really? Then go ahead post the proof that shows I'm wrong. Do it in your next reply, or you lose.
>>695205797So you're also an atheist.
>>695206191Your "jesus" is fake and never existed
>>695206231>Posts no proofConcession accepted, thanks for concerning the argument by refusing to answer the question.>Your "jesus" is-I'm an atheist. I just know more about religion than you do.
>>695206170The atheist believes that humans and cucumbers have 40% similar dna, making humans related to cucumbers. What else is there to talk about?
>a bunch of kids bully some boomer for being bald>God sends two bears to kill them all
>>695206295False
>>695206295>concerning*conceded Auto correct sux
>>695199997Practice it, then
>>695206339>Refuses to answer>Pretends to winI already accepted your defeat tripfag. Why couldn't you prove me wrong?
>>695199997False,we hate it because it's a lie. There is no such thing as a good religious person
>>695206319there's a difference between belief and proofhumans and cucumbers have dnawhat about your god? lolthe cucumber is more real than your fairytale
>>695205796Then again being anything other than Christian was punishable by death
>>695206319Well. Could you start by making your mind up whether everything science comes up with binds itself to atheism, or atheism = "no science"?
>>695206319Man, I hate the internet when you can't tell if guys like this are actually retarded or just baiting
>>695199523>>695199997>>695199934>>695200558>>695205797Cringy tradcaths are worse attention whores that any tranny or leftist strawman could be. The biggest internet dorks. Crybabies and obsessed with trannies more so than any ngo or leftist game dev team.
>>695206457> what about your god?Have you ever tied to open the Bible, friend? Or does it burn your paws?
>>695206475That's true in some places. It's why I know this is a fact, despite what retarded tripfags think.
>>695204169US bombs entire middle east. People flee to Europ. Invite them. I blame Israel and thier vassal US.
>>695206319We don't believe in science, we look into things, jot down what we see and this is called science
>>695206508Thanks for conceding the argument tripfag!;^)
How did this thread not die within 30 posts
>>695206456ear is designed by physicsnot yahwehill give you a clue how matter self organises into formshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Oq6EuFcOcnow you know how the first cells formed, and from there you can imagine how they stacked against eachother into bigger forms
>>695205797Also you DO NOT look like left so stop larping like you do. You're an adult with wojaks saved on your phone, you're probably closer to the guy on the left but in your delusions forgot that.>inb4 post b-nope
>>695206586>"We don't believe in science">Believes in the big bang, an unprovable theory:/
>>695205826>1300Anon...christcucks were rallying against the idea of evolution as recent as the nineties. The fucking NINETIES. Americans are so backwards.
>>695206772look like right*
>>695206586> We don't believe in scienceYou do though
>>695206531I read it, and many other religious booksyou can find more wisdom in aesops fables, at least that will teach you how not to be an idiot like the average religitard
>>695206531There is zero truth in your fake book of fairy tales
>>695206772>Anon confuses left for rightAtheists are very intelligent:^)
>>695206801I don't. I'm not atheist, but I received basic education and got to see how shit works, hell, we even built a toy electronic car in high school.
>>695206893Okay. And your point is?
>>695206918See>>695205743
>>695206772okay but I do though so stop coping
>>695206932That science is merely observing the world working and taking notes, you don't "believe in it" you see it, provided you take the time and do the work.
>>695206801>be christian>be wrong againCan you ever look something up before saying it? Like just to see what happens?
>>695207027>Be ChristianIncorrect, sorry.
serious question: do christians really believe all atheists are like that or are you guys just baiting?
>>695206892It's not surprising your magnum opus is pointing out the typo.My point still remains, you're not le epic wojak trad hero, you're a manchild.
>>695206764> now you know how the first cells formedThen why has it never been replicated under laboratory conditions? Why haven't humans been able to create organics from non-organics artificially?Why couldn't they create a multicellular organism from a few unicellular organisms?Why is this all just at the level of theory that you propose to believe in, eh?
>>695207016Sure, but Christians have been doing science for thousands of years.Christians love science, they use it to understand god's work. I'm not really sure why scientists hate their founding fathers so much.
>>695207058I'm not atheist, but I argue for the fedorascience side
>>695207104You AreMentallyI'll
>>695207117What? That nigga was saying science is little else than impossible
>>695207117False. This has been debunked
>>695207062Not my image, not a Christian, I just laughed at your mistake.why are you so upset?
>>695207194It hasn't. I asked you to debunk it and you admitted you couldn't do it.I accepted your concession already, but I'll give you one last chance to prove me wrong.Go ahead, if you can.
>>695207117>>695206801>>>>695206498
>>695207179Was he? I don't see it. Can you explain it to a retard like me?
>>695207282See >>695205717
>>695205797so allah is real? cuz i hate him too
>>695206860lets not go that farthe bible does describe actual historic events so it's true in that waybut to take it all at face value is stupidpeople have no clue what the elohim are, or that they're on their way to earth right nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQgnIWLW3ZA
>>695207347That isn't proof of anything. That's just you saying>"WAHHH WAHHH WAHHH!">"I DONT LIKE IT SO ITS NOT TRUE!!!">"WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!"So concession accepted, one last time. Thanks for confirming you can't prove your own claims correct, twice.;^)
>thread about Christianity has a random famitsutranny tripfag roleplaying in itHuh
>>695207443It is proof
>>695207104>never been replicated under laboratory conditions?because laboratory conditions are unnatural and most scientists think matter/chemicals is more important than the frequencies that organise themhow can they progress when they dont grasp the foundation
>>695207327No, I'm a silly believer, albeit not a Christian one, I must not be alphabestialed :<
>>695207478You don't know what "proof" means, do you?Cute.
>>695207636You must know not either if you argue for Christian religion while claiming not to be Christian, which isn't permissible.
>>695207219I, am not.
religitards btfohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25By0YvFNvI
>>695200162>>695202758>>"hurr durr, let's kill everyone who we deem as heretics, and stagnate any form of scientific progress!!"Except this isn't true though and Christianity was one of the greatest investors in scientific progress. Dark Ages is a myth and even most secular historians will tell you that it's bullshit.
>>695207636I have more proof than you have that yout fake "jesus" existed
>>695207738False
>>695207738No, dark ages isn't a myth, the steam engine was a thing of greeks and romans, never before seen again until the church was told to fuck off
>>695207696I'm not arguing for Christian religion. Why do you think I am?I said it's a fact they founded many of the oldest universities, which is true. You can look it up.>>695207743I'm not claiming Jesus existed. I'm claiming you don't know what the word "proof" means.Your demonstration of your illiteracy only proves me more correct in my assumptions.
>>695200162Wait til you find out we only have knowledge of events from before 1000 AD because Christian monks were responsible for writing them down and also for saving the books from heathen invaders during times of conflict.
>>695207738yeah, but then christianity fell behind when scientific knowledge accumulated and exposed many christian beliefschristianity has not been a major driver of science in a long time
>>695207863False
>>695207912You don't know what "proof" means lol.I doubt you know what "true" and "false" mean either, retarded tripfag.
Sometimes I wish I had the mentality to be religious. I bet life is so easy when you just give up control and responsibility. It's probably like living life as a woman.
>>695203798Apparently the National Liberation Front of Corsica. They were in a civil war from the 70s to 2016.
>>695207863yes but the early christian zealots also destroyed plenty of things they didn't like
>>695207967Such as?
>>695208003Everything
>>695205742I wish I had a fruit fly cousin
>>695206319>>695205742Look at this delusional schizo
>>695205797Hey mods, this image has a pony in it. I think somebody needs to be banned..!
>>695208003https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_pagans_in_the_late_Roman_Empirehttps://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/06/christian-atrocities-three-centuries-of-pagan-persecution/they werent peace loving hippies like today's christians
>>695207967Early? They're still doing it
>>695207804>>695207858>YOU ARE HECKIN WR- ACK!!!!!!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_the_Catholic_Church>"Science is the process of thinking God's thoughts after Him."Johannes Kepler. Formulated the 3 laws of planetary motion.>"There can never be opposition between religion and science; one is the complement of the other."Max Planck. Founder of Quantum Physics.>"The laws of nature are written by God in the language of mathematics."Galileo Galilei. Established the field of physics and astronomy.>"Atheism is so senseless."Sir Isaac Newton. Formulated Laws of Gravity and Motion. Also defined the Scientific Method as we know it.Please post your cope below:
>>695199523Actually game is about schizophrenic mother and gambling addicted father and broken home
>>695208315Doesn't help the fact that the steam engine disappeared when Christian religion entered.Go ack yourself on a fire
>>695207142>yami5 and all Abrahamic religion is real.
>>695208315See >>695205717
>>695205492Sure, but being too rich is also not ok with Christianity and yet the prosperity gospel exist.
>>695208370>his only cope is a crackpot conspiracy theory on the same level as flat earth>despite the fact that we literally know what steam inventions they made and have found them beforeBy the way, a Babtist invented the first actually usable and commercially available steam engine.
>>695208597Want me to post links?With pleasure https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile
>>695199997every imbecile on the planet thinks they're the "good side". there's nothing special about pretending to be good, even villains do it
Why do these threads always devolve into an r/Atheism circlejerk?
>>695206319>christcuck thinks "that sounds so silly" is an argument even though his holy book is full of exponentially retarded myths
>>695205606Again, cultural differences.The fundamental philosophy remain the same.As Muslims are progressively forced to stop doing shit like this, all that will remain eventually will be Christianity with another name.
>>695199523Christianity isn't le bad, bad Christians are.
>>695199523>christianity bad poop good
>>695208370Greeks couldn't use the steam engine for anything practical because they lacked the necessary metallurgy.
>>695208783were you hoping it would be /r/catholicism? there's no such thing as Christinas, it a larp
>>695208709pretty neat, but they didn't use it to perform work, otherwise the industrial revolution could have begun far earliermuch like how china invented gunpowder, but used it mainly only for fireworks, they could have dominated the worldand the antikythera mechanism is more like a fancy clock rather than an actual computer that can be used to solve problemsin fact an abacus probably has more in common with computers than the antikythera mechanism
>>695208863>The fundamental philosophy remain the same.nohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjrFrF7fz14
>>695208121You don't know what the word "proof' means.Lol
>>695208951>necessary metallurgythey built the colossus of rhodes out of bronze, pretty sure they could have built steam powered machines if they thought of itmaybe there were some but they all got used for scrap metal, so none survive today, who knows
>>695208532The bible doesn't like it, but it allows free will so it happens. What can you do?
>>695208863>The fundamental philosophy remain the same.I already proved you wrong Muhammad, I know the Qur'an tells you to lie about this, but please stop being so obvious.
>>695209184It's not a matter of scale, it's a matter of material.You need very strong steel to withstand the pressure necessary to make a steam engine do meaningful work while keeping it light enough that moving it around is actually practical.
>>695203851By all intents and purposes the universe exists. It's silly to assume it doesn't, even if it hypothetically was all an illusion it's still the only thing we actually have, from our perspective, so we have to work with it. To YOU, the universe is practically real, so you can't assume it isn't.
>>695205717>>695208459>DUDE THEY WERE ALL TOTALLY FAKING IT>WHY? UMMM- THEY JUST WERE, OKAY?!>MY SOURCE ON EXECUTING NON-RELIGIOUS SCIENTISTS?>Ummmmmmmmmmmmm........................Most scientists in those times were also part of the Clergy, meaning that they had an extreme devotion. Furthermore, there is no documented large scale persecution of non-Christian scientists by Christians for their works. The only examples are fringe cases, which do not constitute a trend.
>>695209372>By all intents and purposes the universe existsBut science can't prove that. So why do you have faith in this?
>>695208709OH NO NO NO NO AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAMeanwhile, divinely inspired invention creates the Industrial Revolution via the invention of the first REAL steam engine. You still haven't shown anything that supports the idea that Christianity "covered up" the aeolipile, and the fact that you are posting it shows that it has been discovered and is widely known. Almost like there was no cover up...
Is Roman Catholic the only sane Christians?
>>695209282Why do you insist I am a Muslim when, if anything, what I am saying should tell you the opposite?I am saying that Islamism is Christianity with a (thick) coat of paint, entirely tied to specific cultural contexts and therefore fates to fade away when those cultures eventually disappear.Compare and contrast with Christianity, whose basic message is fundamental and universally applicable and therefore can survive (or resurface) practically indefinitely.
>>695209495I don't have faith, I just don't have an alternative. What is the other possibility? From my perspective, from my eyes and ears, I live in the universe. If it exists or doesn't, it matters not, because to me, for all intents and purposes I live in it and it exists and affects me. I can't cover my ears and go "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" about the universe itself. What is the alternative other then assuming the universe exists? What can I believe OTHER then it and how does it matter if I believe the universe doesn't exist?
>>695209634So if we proved the universe was a simulation you would believe in it?
>>695199997Christians are retarded cattle
>>695209634That you are in a simulation and the only way to get out is to kill yourself.The fact that you don't do it says enough.
>>695209595>I am saying that Islamism is Christianity with a (thick) coat of paint,The Qur'an literally tells Muslims to tell this lie to non-Muslims, in an attempt to convert other religions to yours.I am calling you a Muslim because you are spreading Muslim lies and misinformation.So like I said earlier, you're either a Muslim, or you've never read either book.Which is it Muhammad?
>>695204423Okay. Aside from both worshipping the same Abrahamic God, name the "fundamental philosophy" that remains the same.
>>695209634>don't have faith, I just don't have an alternative. What is the other possibility?That's faith.Blind trust in something you can't know is faith.Thanks for confirming you have faith in science.
>>695209740I enjoy this universe. IF this was all a simulation (there is no proof pointing towards that) why would that matter? I like living in this universe, why would I kill myself to escape it?>>695209695Yes? That is how proof works. If I'm given credible evidence that God exists or that the universe is a simulation I will believe in it. I have yet to be given proof of either, so I don't believe in either and choose to assume God doesn't exist and that the universe does, as these seem to be the most likely alternatives for me.
Why atheists are like that?
>>695209798My faith isn't blind. If you can provide me a credible alternative to the existance of the universe I will change my mind immediately. The proof that the universe exists is in front of me (I can see my computer, touch it and breathe air). Where is the proof that it doesn't?
>>695199593Begone Satan, make sure to watch Sam Shamoun to be utterly blown the fuck out of any retarded Anti-Christian beliefs, praise Jesus Christ, our White Pale European Descent, Lord and Savior, God incarnate currently alive in heaven after dying and rising again for all of humanity including the non-white parts, and even the completely unrelated Ashkenazi Jews called The Synagogue of Satan and of Their Father The Devil who have nothing to do whatsoever with Jesus or White Galileans like Jesus Christ and his Virgin White European Mother Mary. IN JESUS NAME Amen.
>>695209892god does exist, but not your idea of god'god' in the bible is an imposter
>>695209728>posts random image with facebook filename>"SEE- SEE?!?!??!"The New Testament was very anti-Jewish and constantly recounts how Jesus was constantly at odds with and eventually killed by the Jews. There is nothing in the New Testament that tells its followers to give to Jews. If anything, it says not to, since it emphasizes giving to the poor (which the Jews are not). Also, Jews fucking hate Christianity because it essentially tore down the power structure they held in those times.
>>695209915>"I literally don't have faith!!!">"My faith isn't blind..."Lol.Yet again, thanks for admitting you have "faith" in science and confirming me right.
>>695209892>tiktok >xitterWhat's next, a Facebook meme?
>>695209976Gnosticism is Satanic and not real, The Old and New Testament God are one and the same, your larp "religion" was debunked hundreds of years ago and will never be real. You're as retarded as pagans, keep coping and seething.
>>695209742>The Qur'an literally tells Muslims to tell this lie to non-Muslims, in an attempt to convert other religions to yours.Intent and meaning matters.The narrative that should be presented to do what you think I am doing is "It's not that different, it's not that bad, you should be tolerant of it".The narrative I am presenting is "Anyone who isn't a desert dweller in the 1300 is better off with Christianity, and even for them is debatable".
>>695210038You dodged the question, which is also a debate tactic Muslims use with non-Muslims.Don't dodge it again, Muhammad.>So like I said earlier, you're either a Muslim, or you've never read either book. Which is it Muhammad?
>>695210004Anon are semantics all you have? I believe that a delivery boy will give me my pizza in 30 minutes or so after I make the call. I believe that the vendor will accept my cash. I believe that if I press a button the TV will turn on. I believe in an infinite amount of things, and I believe that the universe exists. I believe in the information that I have been given until I find evidence that says otherwise. That is faith, and we do it at every single moment of our lives. You cannot live without believing in things, why the fuck are you pretending that's some big gotcha? Of fucking course I believe in things.
>>695210143You literally said you have faith, after arguing you don't have faith in science.If you didnt want to lose the argument, why did you concede?
>it's, yet again, another "militant atheists get utterly BTFO in the thread over and over" episode
>>695210113Neither.Satisfied?
>>695199997being a good person is like being a polished turd
>>695210021NT god is not yahweh
>>695210221Right, ok, I have "faith" (believing in things because I have evidence they're true). I don't have "faith" as in, religious faith (believing in things despite a lack of evidence, such as believing in God). Are you satisfied?
>>695210231That's obviously a Muslim lie. If you read the books, you wouldn't think they have similar moral teachings. They are almost polar opposites.So thanks for confirming you are a liar Muhammad, I'm sure the prophet will be pleased with your work
>>695210227Will they ever learn? Atheists are an irrelevant threat that have been completely debunked, same with Pagans albeit they're a bit more annoying.The real "battle" is between Christianity and Islam, but Islam has taken the hardest L's and been thoroughly debunked aswell especially in the last few years.
>>695209976At least atheists have the mercy of claiming that they were prideful once they finally understand why they were wrong. Gnostics are not even midwit tier.
>>695210321>believing in things because I have evidence they're trueSo why do you believe the big bang, when there's no scientific proof of it even happening? It's an unprovable theory. That's faith, retard.Or are you just admitting that you are a hypocrite?
>THOUSANDS of years of theology STILL haven't debunked this
>>695210316Congrats, you fell for one of Lucifer's larps. Everything God did in The Old Testament was based and good, and fully endorsed by Jesus, all gnostic texts aren't real and fully made up.You have NOTHING to back up your irrelevant narrative. The Demiurge does not exist.
>>695210227christcucks really do believe they don't exist purely as a gateway for kikes to take full control of nations, huh?Always remember, the greater the chirstcuckery, the more kikes control.
>>695210424There is in fact evidence for the big bang happening, such as the easily observable fact that the universe is moving apart and cooling down, meaning that at some point in the past everything must have been much closer together and hotter. Additionally, we can literally see the remnants of the first electromagnetic radiation that was released in the aftermath in the form of cosmic microwave background radiation. The fact that we don't know why the Big Bang happened doesn't mean it isn't the most likely occurrence for the birth of the universe.
>>695203518Reminder that this is literally just Jews angry at Christians for kicking them out
>>695199523If you've actually played this game you'd know very well that they aren't criticizing Christianity as a whole, but televangelists and their influence on fanatics.
>>695210603You have faith in the evidence being correct, but it's unproven (and unprovable) by science. This is a fact.So you are just admitting to being a hypocrite. Thanks for confirming.
>>695205017>like dawkins claimed religion was holding back?It's quite funny that he identifies as a cultural christian now
>>695201271lowest IQ reddit take I've ever read
>>695210690Exactly. God saves Isaac in the original ending and strikes down his mother.It's using the religion Edmund knows the beat as a vehicle for a narrative about religious dogma.
>>695210703>erm, acktually what you can obverse might be wrong>that means you need to have unquestioning faith in something nobody can show or demonstrate>i am very intelligent
>>695210465It's over, Anon.They've already depicted us as söyjaks, and them as the Chads....
>>695203005You can't tell that the OP is bait designed for internet atheists?
>>695210465What if his conclusions are wrong to begin with? How does he know what god would or wouldn’t do if he were real? It’s a flawed argument people don’t engage with because it’s basically troll physics.
>>695210847You haven't proved yourself correct yet.Why not? Can't do it?
>>695210946If God sees the shitty things that are happening in the world, he either doesn't want to intervene (in which case he's evil, the reasons are irrelevant) or can't intervene (in which case he is not omnipotent, the reasons are irrelevant). This is an utterly unbreakable argument and the only escape is claiming children dying of cancer is actually a good thing.
>>695210987>bro just drop the complete combined works of all astrophysics on a message board for me>oh you won't do it guess i win haha
>>695211052>In which case he's evilIncorrect.Why do you think it's "evil" to allow free will?
>>695210987We can directly see the afterglow of the big bang, when the temperature of the universe was around 3,000K and it became transparent to light for the first time. It surrounds us in all directions, with the light redshifted by a factor of 1100 from peaking in the visible spectrum to peaking in microwaves. If you undo the redshift, it looks like an inside-out red giant star all around us at a distance of 42 million light years, which is how far away the CMB photons that we're receiving today were when they were emitted.
>>695210465>could God have created a universe with free will but limit the free will?No because then that wouldn't be free will>Then God is fake and gayKek, very weak logic to give up salvation for
>>695211086You don't have to drop all of it, just the part that proves you correct.Which I know doesn't exist, because science can not prove the big bang happened.:^)
>>695211117How is it free will for children to die of cancer at 4, or for people to have genetic diseases that will cause their body to break down agonizingly for years on end?
>>695210561>heh, christians are just cucks for jews ;)>please ignore that jews lost most their power when christianity formed, or the multitude of powerful nations that formed with Christianity at their core throughout history>why? because /pol/ told me so...
>>695211137That's evidence, sure. But it proves nothing. You have faith in the evidence because the Big Bang has yet to be proven.This is a fact, unlike the big bang, which is a theory.
>>695199593>Christians deserve to get bulliedIf only Satan were real, but Satan isn't a character but something that lives in the heart of modern christfags.Isaac does a good job of demonstrating what they really do, forgiveness which is at the top of jesus's doctrine only exists for themselves.
>>695211165God could have created an universe with free will and no evil. He could have simply not made scarcity a thing and not made people work themselves to death farming wheat.
>>695199593We will have the last laugh.
>>695210465It was debunked thousands of years ago. Free will completely dismantles this.
>>695211239>How are micro organisms behaving and expressing free will examples of free will?Dunno
>>695211248>no, you see, it's just so happens that the jewslave states of america just also happens to be the biggest nation of christcucks>just a coincidence goyim
>>695207863>Wait til you find out we only have knowledge of events from before 1000 AD because Christian monks were responsible for writing them down and also for saving the books from heathen invaders during times of conflict.yeah because they were the only ones taught to read and write you fucking moron. Unless you worked with money like a certain other sect of religious dipshits.
>>695211340Read the book of Genesis
>>695211340>God could have created an universe with free will and no evilIsn't evil is a byproduct of free will?
>>695211380God could have easily and effortlessly created an universe where people aren't constantly suffering for absolutely no reason, and still included free will. The fact that he didn't proves he's not a good God.
>>695211117God doesn't allow free will, he literally took away Pharaoh's free will to stop him from setting the jews free before God could unleash all his curses on Egypt
>>695211439>God doesn't allow free will,He literally does. Read the new testament.
Lol they've all started breaking out the /r/Atheism canned arguments. Complete atheism discord breakdown. That's a wrap!
>>695211297>be given credible evidence that the Big Bang happened>believe in it as a direct result even if it hasn't been proven beyond all imaginable questioning (as nothing can possibly be proven to that level)simple as thatprovide evidence for your own hypothesis and then we'll talk
>>695211434He did. The garden of eden. Then man ruined it by eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and became aware.We doomed ourselves.
>>695210340>you wouldn't think they have similar moral teachings.Here's your misunderstanding: I am NOT saying that they have similar moral teaching, those are largely defined by their culture.The philosophical foundation is the same, but the answers they arrive to are very different, because there was a need for those answers to not go too far from the already existing culture.
>>695200162>stagnate any form of scientific progressUnironically on the same level as saying that the earth is flat and made out of cheese.
>>695211526He still hardened the Pharaoh's heart? The new testament doesn't change this. Unless you're saying God completely changed his mind on everything on a whim. In which case, why should we believe him this time? He could pivot again and hold that only Namibians born with four fingers on their left hand will go to heaven and there is literally nothing we could do about it.
Huh, christian delusion seems awfully similar to the weeb delusion you see here often...
>>695211551>It hasn't been disproven yet so it's realThat's still faith. Trusting the evidence is faith, until proven true. Only true things are true, this isn't proven it's a theory. So faith is required.Understand yet?
>>695211583>no you see god made a trap in his "perfect world">he also made a snake to bait people into the trap>what a good person
>>695211603>The philosophical foundation is the sameNo it's not. Again, elaborate. Why do you think it is?
>>695199523catholics genocided the pacifistic cathars merely for their gnostic beliefs so yes christians are bad peoplealso old testament god literally tells you directly that he is jealous and wrathful.
>>695211137The person who theorized the Big Bang was a Catholic priest. The Big Bang by no means contradicts biblical teachings. If anything, the Big Bang better encapsulates what the creation of the universe looked like when God began His work.The wonders of discovering the world around us through the pursuit of science brings us close to God in a way that is simply divine and wonderful. God is so good, bros.
>>695211583Your God person puts an apple tree in the middle of a garden and says, do what you like, guys, oh, but don't eat the apple. Surprise surprise, they eat it and he leaps out from behind a bush shouting "Gotcha". It wouldn't have made any difference if they hadn't eaten it.
>>695210465The only way to make a being that has free will to truly understand why good is better than evil is personal experience.That is what we call "life".
>>695211638God changes his mind all the time. Have you not read the bible?The new replaced the old. The new testament is the most up-to-date word of god (allegedly). That's all I'm saying.
>>695211694>God made the snakeWhy are you blaming god for the devil's work? That's a demon. Snakes don't talk.
>thread full of christcucks jerking each other off>noone has said anything convincingfeels good
>>695211583>person eats apple once>everyone else who doesn't even exist yet pays the price God is a faggot
>>695211679By that logic, absolutely nothing is true, and all proposals have the same value (0). But you should see how well that belief will treat you in reality. Black and white are the same thing, sure, but go walk outside the crosswalk and see what it leads to.
>>695211891See>>695211874
>>695208783>always the same threads, same baits, same talking points, same replies, same pics, same scriptsIts almost like if it was some schizo/discord raid. Really makes you think
>>695211763Why wouldn't it have made a difference?
>>695211906>By that logic, absolutely nothing is trueCorrect.We can't prove anything. I gave you an unwinnable argument and you took the bait multiple times.I'm glad you finally see the light.
Love all these atheists swinging fists at something they haven't even tried to comprehend all of these shitty posts wouldn't exist if you faggots read even a single book from the Bible
>>695211763>here's your free will bud. btw you can only choose option A because I got rid of Option B. Enjoy the free will!Ya really great deduction there bro.>B-BUT WHY HE GET MAD AT OPTION BBecause he made it very clear that it was the wrong choice and they both still decided to do it anyways. By doing so, they literally turned away (sinned) against the very embodiment of Good itself.>SO WHY BAD THINGS HAPPEN?Because all actions have consequences because of the law of causation. The result of Option A was eternal paradise. The result of Option B was evil entering the world. Not only would it make free will meaningless, but it would make God imperfect if He just said "Actually nothing happens if you eat it, I totally was joking."God told them they would die if they ate the fruit, and that's what happened.
>>695211984We can prove things perfectly well, just not forever and ever. Something being reasonably credible and backed by some reasonable amount of evidence in comparison to the alternatives is good enough, you don't need to prove things beyond all imaginable questioning.
>>695211743The concept of "good" as the only thing worth worshipping and how it relates to the world, the concept of "sin" and how it relates to humanity, etc...The problem is that they end up with a different definition on what is good and what is sin, but if you think about it that is not so different from many fringe Christian cults, Islamism is merely a fringe Christian cult that grew out of control (for example, I'm pretty sure that Chinese dude who said he was the brother of Jesus would have been another Muhammad if he was successful)
>>695211878>"I wasn't going to change my mind and you didn't meet my arbitrary retarded conditions. Guess you aren't convincing.""Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you."Matthew 7:6
>>695211874who made the devil, christcuck?
>>695212060>The result of Option B was evil entering the worldThat's not quite true. Evil was always already there, but they are from the "Tree of knowledge of good and evil" and thus taught their entire species what good and evil is.They didn't create evil by eating the fruit, they became aware of it, and passed down that awareness to all of humanity (their offspring)
>>695211813The new testament wasn't a replacement or an update, it was a clarification and fulfillment. You should read it sometime.
>>695212060They LITERALLY DID NOT have free will back then. The apple gave them knowledge of good and evil, so they didn't have it before. They were literal babies, and no reasonable person would blame a baby for putting their hand in the oven and getting burned. They would call THE PARENT an irresponsible shithead for leaving a burning oven near a child.And buddy, if you're dealing with somebody who has the sort of mentality which likes leaving hats on the pavement with bricks under them you know perfectly well they won't give up. They'll get you in the end.
>>695212031I just see christians getting bodied
>>695212081>We can prove things perfectly well,You can't prove even 1 thing exists.Go ahead and try. It's literally scientifically impossible.But you sure can acrew a lot of evidence to suggest (have faith) in some answers being likely.
>>695212179Interesting observation. Thx anon.
>>695212250Your definition of proof is just retarded. I can throw a stone in the air and it will fall. I can do this 1 million times, and I can say (reasonably) that "well, this proves it. the stone apparently will always fall in this set of circumstances." Sure, you could make the argument that if I throw the stone 10 million times it will stay suspended in the air, but that's on YOU to prove, not me; the evidence is in my side.
>>695212129>The concept of "good" as the only thing worth worshippingThat's not what the Qur'an is about.Muhammad (the perfect example of a man) was a pedophilic caravan-robbing theif.Thou shalt not steal, nigga.
I'm an atheist and this thread made me realize the error in my ways, I think I need to have a talk with that girl who keeps handing out those Watchtower magazines about this whole Christianity thing.
>>695199523Christianity is a shitty religion, but it's the least shitty of the abrahamic ones
>>695212167He was a fallen angel, so he made himself. Like we already know, evil is a natural consequence of free will.
>>695212369>Watchtower>JWIt was over for you before it even began.
>>695212196>get told to not pick Option B>by the most powerful and incomprehensibly good being that could even possibly exist>by a being that can enlighten you with perfect knowledge>"Dude they weren't wrong for picking Option B."You also conveniently leave out the part where, right after being caught, they lie to God's face, while Adam attempts to shift all blame onto Eve. Pretending that original sin wasn't a complete and utter blunder on humanity's part is ridiculous.
>>695212196They had free will, they just weren't aware of it.The knowledge of good and evil taught them what it was by proxy, because good and evil are not real, and are only byproducts of knowledge.
>>695211813Why would an immortal omnipotent God ever need to change its mind?
>>695212362My definition is the dictionary definition.What's yours?:^)
>>695200162>stagnateAlmost every great contributor to modern humanity was a Christian. All technology is possible because of Christians. Religion drives you, Atheism turns you to nihilism.
>famitsu thread starts>retarded redditor tripfag disappears from the threadKek
>>695212368Pretty sure muslims refuses to acknowledge that part of Muhammad character, correct me if I'm wrong.
>>695212553You don't think an all-powerful god is capable of changing it's mind? They can do anything.>NeedNever said he needed to, just that he does/could.
>>695211874If God knows everything and can do anything surely he knew the devil would do it and could easily prevent it if he truly wanted to keep Adam and Eve around. No, what he wanted was an excuse to expel them from Eden. Your god is a petty god.
>>695211924Don't care he punished people who didn't exist for the actions of others he's a faggot
>>695212518>>by a being that can enlighten you with perfect knowledgeAnd yet IT DIDN'T>>695212518>>"Dude they weren't wrong for picking Option B."they DID NOT KNOW WHAT WRONG WAS until they ate the fruit. they would not make any reasonable judgement because they literally didn't know what judgement was yet; they could not think "this is a good idea," they were told to do something and because they did not have the capacity to judge good and evil just yet, they simply did it. >>695212518>You also conveniently leave out the part where, right after being caught, they lie to God's face, while Adam attempts to shift all blame onto Eve. Pretending that original sin wasn't a complete and utter blunder on humanity's part is ridiculous.AFTER they eat the fruit they do this; THEN they feel shame, THEN they realize what they did was wrong; there was literally no way for them to avoid this beforehand, because they didn't know what good and evil was; if the snake had told them to eat a rusty nail they would have done it, because they did not know what good and evil was.
xtians are extremely spineless so bullying them is both very easy and not fun at all.Someone should make a game about judaism
>>695212606>proof>evidence of truth or correctnessit seems the dictionary awarded me the victory; I have the evidence, you don't. thank you for conceding.
>>695212718No, it's literally in the Qur'an/Hadiths.They won't admit it to non-muslims, because the Qur'an says they should lie about what the books says to people who aren't Muslims, but it's clearly written there.>N-no it's a mistranslationIs the cope you hear the most, but it's been translated by scholars now. It's what it says.
>>695212626>if you're not a christian when working towards science we will kill you>see, all discoveries are made by christians
>>695212747>Prevent itThat's not free will. God allows free will, because it is divine.
>>695212196>And buddy, if you're dealing with somebody who has the sort of mentality which likes leaving hats on the pavement with bricks under them you know perfectly well they won't give up. They'll get you in the end.100% this. God wanted an excuse to throw them out of Eden and he would have gotten it sooner or later.
>>695212842Post the definition. Screenshot it. Which dictionary? I hope it's credible.
>>695212909>no you see, god putting people in a position of ignorance while knowingly being aware of the devil and what the result would be is a good action being of free will, which the trapped individuals knew nothing of.
>>695212937Yeah, the book literally says "we ate it too soon".We were always supposed to eat it to become gods. But instead we are just cast in his image, for we failed the test
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>>695213003You haven't proven me wrong yet, or yourself correct.Why not?
>>695208863I mean, that's almost not even a cope. Closer to a straight up concession.
>>695200162>>"hurr durr, let's kill everyone who we deem as hereticsBASED BASED BASED BASED BASEDIf xtians were more like this instead of washing nigger feet people would respect them.
>>695213058You haven't said what dictionary you used. Why not?>Something that induces certaintyAlso this proved my definition correct, so thanks :^)
>>695213007>test a baby in a morality test>"goo goo gaa gaa">fail them
>>695212721An all-knowing God wouldn't need to change their mind because they should already know what to do
>>695213108>xtianGo back u faggot
>>695213128We weren't babies. We were adults naming all the animals.We understood speech and chose to ignore it anyway.But again, cute cope.
>>695213007>rig every single aspect so that one result would occur>result occur>erm, you're bad now goodbye
>>695213179>urtfm baka my headsmd
>>695200162>stagnate any form of scientific progress!!"I'm not even religious, but this is beyond retarded.Christian Europe was the birthplace of all modern technological innovation.
>>695212776>And yet IT DIDN'TYes he did. He told them if they ate the fruit, they would perish. Even without a reason, the ultimate ruler of all things told them not to do something.>AFTER they eat the fruit they do this; THEN they feel shame, THEN they realize what they did was wrong;Even if what you suppose is true, they still consciously chose to commit Evil even as they faced the embodiment of Good, which they could now fully realize. Do you think God would bother asking them "Hey, did you eat from the tree" if not to see what they would choose to do now that they could see both good and evil?
>>695213124Mirriam-Webster, and if you haven't noticed the word has multiple meanings. "establishes validity" is right there in front of yours. The Big Bang is a valid theory with evidence behind it; it has proof. Simple as.
>>695213169I didn't say they need to, I said they could if they wanted, because they are all powerful.Why do you think he can't? Remember, he can chose to change his mind, he doesn't "need" to.
>>695212161Yeah, save the convincing arguments for the people already convinced. Why am I unholy if god created me in his image? The bible is full of these contradictions and when you question it it's always>you just don't believe enough>i'm not telling you>you are a jew/mud/hereticWhich would be fine if you didn't try to shove it down everyone elses throat
>Destroyed paganism>Influenced western culture and thus led greatest progression in morality, society, art and science in human history>Still makes Jews seethe 2024 years later.>Even atheist historians can't deny that he existed and most of his story is based on fact>Did it all without raising a single weapon and simply talking to people
>>695213205>rig every single aspect so that one result would occurUntrue. The snake knew not to eat the apple, as did every other animal there.We were tricked by the devil, because he wanted us to learn of his existence.
>>695201715A good way to spot a normalnigger is to look for this exact type of smug sadism. Remember, they’re not victims when they do shit like this
>>695210234Holy scienceSo true fellow redditor
>>695212909If it is divine then why punish them instead of giving a stern talking to? Why create a tree that was going to make them know what evil is in the first place?He's just a petty little bitch who enjoys throwing tantrums over shit he knows will happen ahead of time. Dude has literal control over fate and gets all pissy when shit happens.
>>695213242>TheoryBy definitions are unproven.So thanks for admitting it's proof of nothing, by definition, yet again.;^)
>>695213232>Yes he did. He told them if they ate the fruit, they would perish. Even without a reason, the ultimate ruler of all things told them not to do something.And they could not even know that perishing was good or bad, therefore they could not make a judgement. They could not know that God's authority established validity to his words, because they did not know what good and bad were.>Even if what you suppose is true, they still consciously chose to commit Evil even as they faced the embodiment of Good, which they could now fully realize. Do you think God would bother asking them "Hey, did you eat from the tree" if not to see what they would choose to do now that they could see both good and evil?This is not original sin, and thus irrelevant; God did not cast them out for lying, but for his original sin. And they learned of good and evil not even a day before; if God expected them to make sophisticated arguments about the validity of their actions and how guilty they were instead of simply cowering in a corner, terrified at the prospect of having violated the law of an omnipotent being, he is retarded.
>>695213209Dumb newfaggot lol
>>695213372>If it is divine then why punish them instead of giving a stern talking to?You haven't read the book.He *does* give them a stern talking to, they fully understand the consequences of eating the fruit, due to the stern talking, and they do it anyway.Why would *another* stern talking work? He told them the price for the apple, and now it's time to pay.
>0 posts about jewstotally organic thread
>>695213263>he bible is full of these contradictions and when you question it it's alwaysMaybe if you're talking to someone who doesn't read the Bible. Every """contradiction""" in the Bible is really just a verse that some retard didn't actually read the context of or understand what the verse was referring too. For instance:>Why am I unholy if god created me in his image?Because you are corrupted by sin and derive from an ancestral origin of God's image willingly choosing to be evil because of free will. Surface level Christian theology, brother.
>>695213319ah yes, the devilthe devil created by godthe devil god knows exist and let actthat devil
>>695213341you will never achieve self mastery you pitiful slave
>>695213473>they fully understand the consequences of eating the fruit, due to the stern talkingThey literally didn't, as they did not have the capacity to understand "this is good" and "this is bad" yet. God was giving a stern talking to what might as well be a baby incapable of understanding language. It DID NOT MATTER how much he told them to not do something, they did not know good and evil and could not establish any sort of judgement. The snake told them to do something else, and they had no reason to disbelieve the snake, because they did not know good or evil and could not understand the concept of punishment yet.
>>695213551>the devil god knows exist and let actGod allows free will, correct.Why is this so hard for you?He doesn't personally *like* evil, but he knows it's more evil to never let anyone have free will. So the devil exists.
>>695213618>They literally didn't, as they did not have the capacity to understand "this is good" and "this is bad" yet.They were told if they eat the fruit they will no longer live forever, childbirth will become painful and they will be banished from the garden.They didn't need to know what "good and evil" was to understand the price he would make them pay. The cost was all things they could comprehend.Read the book, nigga
>>695213643So why were the humans punished? The one at fault was the snake. Their sin was no sin, they didn't have free will yet because they could not make the reasoning of what was good or bad, they simply did as they were told. If someone throws a rock at you, is the rock the one that deserves to be punished?
>>695213643>No, you see, our good god knowingly allowed evil to corrupt being without any knowledge or capacity to understand their actions>because... le free will
>>695213764The snake was punished retard. Read the book.Snakes had legs, and we're punished to crawl on their bellies forever, and every meal they eat will be coated in dust from the ground.
>>695213881Okay but that's just not fucking true, snake eat eggs that don't touch the ground.
>>695213743>They were told if they eat the fruit they will no longer live forever,They didn't have the ability to understand this was a bad thing. >childbirth will become painfulNo ability to understand that pain was bad.>they will be banished from the garden.No ability to understand leaving the garden was bad.>They didn't need to know what "good and evil" was to understand the price he would make them pay. The cost was all things they could comprehend.They did, yes. When you don't buy a new car it's because you comprehend good and evil; you can understand that paying this cost wouldn't be good for you in comparison to what you would gain; you make a calculation that, because they didn't understand what was good and what was bad, Adam and Eve could not possibly make.
>>695213643I thought angels and demons didn't get to have free will because it was a special human only thing. "their legs are straight" and all that
>>695213978Not this particular snake. Only some species eat eggs.
>>695213881Sure, but why did the humans need to be punished? They did nothing wrong.
>>695214000>I thought angels and demons didn't get to have free willYou are incorrect.There are "deliquent" angels in heaven who don't like it there and rebel. Satan was such an angel (Lucifer).Also the giants in the bible come from angels disguising themselves as humans, and fucking human woman and impregnating them.God flooded the earth to drown the giants, which were an abomination apparently.
>>695213473>they fully understand the consequences of eating the fruitHow can that be true if they don't even know what a consequence is to begin with?He's is just out there being an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. Why is the punishment eternal pain and suffering instead of him just talking to them so they can reflect upon their actions now that they know what they did is wrong? Where's the forgiveness? God is a dipshit, a spoiled brat.
>>695214117Because he told them if they eat the fruit, he will punish them this particular way.And they ate the fruit, and this were punished in that particular way.
>>695213258It's not a matter of can't, it's a question of why God would do something it knows is wrong and false
>every post above and below me
>>695214207>How can that be true if they don't even know what a consequence is to begin with?Why do you think they don't know what a consequence is? Adam gave up a rib to make Eve. He knows actions have permanent consequences.
>>695209695>So if we proved the universe was a simulation you would believe in it?I'd hope so, because I'd be wrong not to. It's proven.>>695209740Any proof? Actually fuck proof. Got an argument? Otherwise I'll stick to this one.>>695209798>>695209495Are you actually this retarded? Because it seems genuinely implausible.>Blind trust in something you can't know is faith.You can't prove there's any trust, let alone blind trust.
>>695214246They didn't even KNOW what a punishment WAS
>>695214275Why is changing your mind "wrong"?
>>695214329Trust in something you can't prove is faith. If you disagree with me, please go ahead and prove me wrong in your next reply.Be quick, the thread will die soon.>>695214370Why do you think they didn't?
>>695214486Prove I trust in anything.
>>695203518Imagine being indigenous people with zero Christian influence
>>695214559Why? That was never my argument.If you want to pretend to be intelligent, Reddit accounts are free
>>695214486>Why do you think they didn't?No knowledge of good and evil? They cannot understand that this or that event occurring was bad or good. When someone tells you "don't do X thing, otherwise you will be punished" that entire concept relies on you understanding that being punished is undesirable (bad). For all intents and purposes, none of the punishments God outlined actually meant anything to Adam and Eve because they did not have the capacity to understand they were bad things they were supposed to avoid.
>>695214632>No knowledge of good and evil?Yes. But they understood consequence of actions. See Adam losing a rib permanently.Why do you think they didn't understand consequence after this happened?
>>695214632Outside of the walls of eden, they could see suffering and death.They were told they would be expelled there if they are from the tree too soon.It doesn't matter if you know what "good or evil" are, animals don't want to die. They knew what death was, even if they hadn't experienced it yet. Just like you do.
>>695214329You are misunderstanding something.The argument is not "You should have faith in something".The argument is "You already put your faith in things that cannot be proven (and there are proofs that these things cannot be proven), you just refuse to acknowledge it".I'm not saying that you are wrong, I'm saying that you should be aware of your biases.
>>695214615Then why did you respond?>>695214827Prove I trust in anything.
>>695214316>He knows actions have permanent consequences.He has no concept of right and wrong, good or evil. To Adam, missing a rib was just something God did to him to create Eve, nothing more, nothing less. He can only know what a consequence is AFTER he ate the fruit of knowledge.
>>695214693>Yes. But they understood consequence of actions. See Adam losing a rib permanently.Adam did not know losing the rib was bad or good.>Why do you think they didn't understand consequence after this happened?They understood consequence in the same way I understand that if I jump I will fall back to the ground; it was a thing that happened, but they did not have any opinions or judgements on the matter, because they were not capable of making this judgement. If they were told to do something, they had no reason to disbelieve, and they did not understand things as good or bad and thus could not make any judgement on anything ever. If God didn't want them to disobey, he should have given them the capacity to understand disobedience as undesirable, which he didn't.
>>695214891Math itself is based on axioms that cannot be proven.More to the point, you trust that what you experience as the reality around you actually is reality.You have no proof of it, yet for a matter of convenience you trust that it is.
christcucks are retarded and so is reddit atheists. both of these groups should kill themselves
>>695214891To tell you you're a retard. Duh.
>>695214910You don't need to know what right and wrong is, to know you don't want to be banished from paradise and die.They could see death from eden, it surrounded the whole garden.
>>695215054>Math itself is based on axioms that cannot be proven.prove I trust in maths>More to the point, you trust that what you experience as the reality around you actually is reality.Prove that I trust that what I experience as the reality around I actually is reality.
>>695214819>It doesn't matter if you know what "good or evil" are, animals don't want to die.Animals understand good and evil; they understand that some things are bad for them (dying) and other things are good (finding shelter or food). Adam and Eve did not have this knowledge, they could look outside the walls, but did not have the capacity to understand good and evil and thus could not recognize that dying was a thing they were supposed to avoid; you avoid death because you think it's bad for you (evil). People who seek death do so because they think it's a positive for them for one reason or another (good). To Adam and Eve those things happening outside weren't good or bad, weren't something to avoid or seek, they were just things that happened, like everything else.
>>695214972>They understood consequenceThank you for finally admitting I was right >>695215163>Animals understand good and evilYou are going to have an exceptionally hard time proving this to be true, but please go ahead. This will be very funny.
>>695215068You forgot to do the one thing you responded for then.
>>695215258No I didn't. You aren't very good at reading, are you Muhammad?
>>695215163>Anon confuses something "being good for you" as being "morally good"Lol.Eating apples isn't morally good or bad, regardless of how you as a species enjoy them.
>>695215327Yes, you did. You had to respond again to say it, because you forgot the first time. Check again.
>>695214819>Just like you do.According to the bible, I know these things exclusively because Adam and Eve ate the fuit from the tree of knowledge
>>695215464Post the verse. Go ahead
>>695215253Some animals avoid killing each other or engaging in cannibalism. Other animals assist one another; they know what is "good" and what is "bad," for them and their community. Adam and Eve did not know this; they could understand that if X happens, Y happens afterward (consequence and cause), but could not make any judgement on this being desirable or undesirable (good and evil) and thus they could not make any judgement period. When God told them to not do X, they knew Y would unfold if they did do X, but they did not have the capacity to understand Y as a thing they were meant to avoid; they did not understand death as good or bad, childbirth as painful being good or bad. None of these things meant anything to them because they were uncomprehending of good and evil; God might as well have been talking to a rock.
>>695215151>You don't need to know what right and wrong is, to know you don't want to be banished from paradise and die.Actually I do.
>>695215547>Some animals avoid killing each other or engaging in cannibalismAnd you can prove they do this for "moral" reasons, why?It's just not beneficial for them to do it usually, it usually makes you really sick. Like mad cow disease, brain plaque in humans, etc.Why can't you prove it's "morality" based yet?
>>695215159I cannot, I can't even assume you are a human and not a bot (something that is realistically possible).But I'm choosing to assume you are a real person, because in life you constantly have to make choices based on assumptions and faith.
>>695215561Congrats, you have a low iq.
>>695213596At least i don't think myself as shit
>>695215648Morality is fundamentally a code formed based on what is good for you and your community. Every judgement that you make is underpinned by morality, by your code that says that this is bad and this is good. Without code that says do this, it is good, don't do this, it is bad, you cannot POSSIBLY make a judgement; even when you act in a way based solely on self-interest you are engaging in good and evil, in morality; you judge what is bad for you as evil and what is good for you as good. To live without knowledge of good and evil can only happen when you don't have any code telling you do this or not, meaning you live without knowledge of what is desirable or not, at all.
>>695216061No it's not. Why do you think it is?You have no reality to base this claim in, you are just insisting that it is true because you want it to be.
>>695215537Genesis 3:5 explicitly states that the way to know good or evil like God does is by eating the fruit, and since the original sin carried over to all of Adam and Eve's bloodline then if they had not eaten the fruit I would not know good or evil, therefore I would not know that dying is bad for me.
>>695216251Post the verse. Why can't you do it?Literally copy and paste the full verse for us all to read.Don't be scared, we won't bite.
>>695215725How am I supposed to know what a paradise is if I'm not aware of anything else? How am I supposed to know that dying is bad for me if I can't fully understand what death is when it's a concept that exists outside of my perspectiva and knowledge?
>>695216490>I'm not aware of anything else?Where does the bible state they were "unaware"?They just didn't know what good or evil was. They were aware and conscious.
>>695215712>I cannot, I can't even assume you are a human and not a bot (something that is realistically possible).Yes.>But I'm choosing to assume you are a real person, because in life you constantly have to make choices based on assumptions and faith.But do you differentiate between assumption and faith?As in when met with the possibility that what you're experiencing is real and not any other random thing you could or couldn't imagine, you think assuming one of them is "faith" or "blind trust" or even "trust", rather than a (reasonable) choice? And when you apply maths, do you think assuming that it ends up as it did the other times is "faith" rather than an assumption (you don't need either, btw. you can check it yourself as many times as you want {and even then you don't need to trust or assume from that result. You can try it again at any future time if you fear it might have changed.} and see if the same thing happened or if all maths suddenly broke like it never seemed to do before this time)?
>>695216663That's faith. 100%
>>695216295Just use wikipedia for the original sin article, look>Genesis 3:5,"for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.">Psalm 51:5, "I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me";>Romans 5:12–21, "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned..."Having the knowledge of good and evil is the sin
