So cauldron is stewing pot but better but what is bonfire but better? I heard you only learn new recipes by cooking on the better cooking stations. Is that true? Elin bread
>>695399292>what is bonfire but better?BBQRate my team
>>695399431>BBQ... Seriously? that shit is aids to make
I turned into steel my best weapon with was grass-made with that Steel Hammer from a Earth God Statue Gift. Was it a good move?
>>695399554Then buy one with tickets. I think Palmia has one
>Get Giant Statue land feat>Don't have giant statueI feel cheated
>>695399697Inside the royal kitchen, same building where you can find a Kings Bed. Should cost 40 tickets, easily done grinding performances
>>695399697Isn't it like 80 tickets?
>>695399292how good is this game? is it as good as Elona?
>>695399431Soulless
>>695399292MIG TO THE GENERAL>MIG TO THE GENERAL>>>/jp/48286676>>>/jp/48286676>>>/jp/48286676
>>695399431Only 1 res?What's your backup plan if the carbuncle dies?With how resurrection works I'm almost tempted to try and brute force a large servant team. I'll see if I can't make that work later tonight. It entirely depends on if they stop to beat each others ass when the boss spawns.
>>695399928It's an easier elona with QoL stuff
>>695400005>linking to /jp/ instead of /vg/well, at least you're learning.
any tips for getting 20 of the same item for cauldron
>>695399431>3 meta picks and a cute robut with a random cat that dies all the time/10
>>695400013Technically I can cast res myself, provided I remove my mount, hosted companion, and shield. But really I just either reload or visit a bar if that happens. The Carbuncle hasn't died outside of a total wipe in a long long time
>>695400074Go to copper wall nefia and harvest chemicals from the floor
>>695400074does wine work? could probably just farm some shrooms if so.
>>695400021does it have romanceble NPC/ a sex mod when you can get the pet little girl impregnated?
HELL. YES.
>>69539990760. Still easily done
>>695400168>modLike you'd need that here
>>695400074Either wine or bones>wineSelf explanatory. Toss 20 of something in a barrel>bonesTake 40 bonesSmash it into 20 dustUse that to make your pauldron>>695400114Wish I could say that, I have them wander and my golden knight has loyal so she can teleport but sometimes Yith happens.
Hell yeah, finally a good modhttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3370449488&searchtext=
Are there any animus that capture the same feeling as Elona/Elin?
>>695398620You're right, I screwed up the math, it's actually about a 1 in 2000 chance to get any god statue on a successful fishing attempt. 1 in 36 chance to roll on the rare table, and then a 1 in 51 chance to roll for a statue, then a 40/41 chance to not reroll into getting a small medal instead.So a .05% chance per successful fish, vs. a 2.2% chance for a god statue on each nefia floorThis makes fishing seem way better. Even with the chance to fail catching a fish, you can definitely catch 6 fish faster than you can explore a whole nefia floor and you even get to keep the statue.
COCONUT CRAB!!!! XD
>>695400005You are getting better wannabe janny. Still no>>695400231It took me half an hour to get 8 to steal the tub... My music is shit and I fail any music quests higher than 400 half the time
>>695400302boku no pico
>>695400168There is no evochat but you can fuck or headpat NPCs until they drop fertilized eggs that hatch into babbies
>>695400302Yes, but you're probably not gonna like the answer. They're all isekais.
>>695400237it's on steam, I thought that would been a normie approved version with no sex involved
>>695400258Honestly? Tight. This and the automine one have been seem really cool
>>695400302Dungeon Meshi
What the fuck does the syringe from little garden do? I don't want to vaxx myself with who knows what
>>695400623It (has a chance to) to vax an ether disease away.
>>695400329Where did you find these loot tables?
Are training dummies decent for training up combat shit or should I just keep dungeon diving.
>>695400689>has a chanceFucking seriously? Does blessed always work at least?
>>6954003290.05 vs 2.2 would be 44 fish vs 1 floor
>>695400763Training dummies are great to get you to the point you aren't getting walled. So like ~8ish early game then yeah dungeon dive
FUCK I JUST SPENT MY WISH ON A PAIR LAST MONTH
>>695400424If you're not poor you could just invest. You gain influence points every time you invest in any shop in the city
>>695400763It's technically a waste of time as you'll generally raise those skills in combat. I use that shit all the time though. If I'm tired/sleepy but still have stamina to spare? I'm punching into the negatives.>>695400780Maybe. I've never actually seen the failure state personally. Usually just works (tm)
>>695400792Anon is really bad at math. I asked where he got the tables so I could just run the numbers myself
Class tierlist, feedback welcome:> S tierExecutioner +Busted unique feat giving a huge defensive and offensive boost+/-Cold/Cut are decent domains (slow/bleed), but no lightning -Axe/scythe as best weapons do not have many options currently-Not the best base skill potentials (like throwing 150)> A tierPaladin+ Devout 2 (+30% god bonus) has amazing scaling giving you huge stat boosts (eg. it outscales thiefs luck bonus making it the better luckmaxxer if youre into that)+Strong weapon potentials like long sword and mace 160+/-Casting (130) makes for an ok caster, but domains are mid (does have holy)-No faith base potential makes it more difficult to get devout bonuses-Lay on Hands locks you into Jure if you want to use it> B tierFarmer+Passive gives you significantly more mileage out of stamina+High base potential for farming and cooking equals better stats long term+Cold/lightning -Scythe as best weapon does not have many good options-Stamina is not actually a limiting factor as you can sleep anywhere anytime-No good combat featsSword Sage+Unique talisman bonuses allows for best possible turn economy+Casting (140) is 2nd highest+Has cold/lightning (and holy)+Basically a better warmage (and wizard)+/-Domains cant be changed, but the given domains are decent-Five domains lack domain focus-Talisman management
>>695400329What about outdoor zones? I've definitely found statues there, and it only takes like 15 seconds to explore one
>>695400932At least they sell for good money.
>recently discovered I can dismantle trash bags into paper and plastic>its a texture>this means I can make paper and plastic bags to use as containersI feel like my intelligence for not realizing this until 100+ hours is in basically pic related.
>>695401010> C tierInquisitor+Inquisition to further debuff enemy stats and bane is a good debuff+Potentially a better gunner/archer with devout bonuses and Gun/Xbow 140+/-Mind (but no cha), Darkness is ok-Inquisition not always usefulPriest+Faith 150 makes it easier to get devout bonus+Can get Lightning/cold domains and has holy+/-Devout 1 (+15%), but not as good as paladin-Just play paladinGunner+Highest base gun potential (160)+Sound domain (dim crit bonus) and you have the PER to properly use it+Luck bonus to help weapon rolls (and +5% ranged dmg)-Everything else is just mid, no special featsWarrior+Slight bonus to melee damage rolls (xd2)+Good weapon potentials+Cut domain based on str-No special feats> D tierThief+Highest initial luck (+30)+/- Chaos (and Darkness) are strong but scales from magic-Just play paladin if you want to luckmaxx that badlyPianist+Sound/mind are strong domains and you actually have the CHA to use mind-No magic or weapon potentials (except throwing which sucks)-Musician bonuses are not that significant (10%)Archer+Best Bow/xbow base potential+/-Ranged mastery 2 gives +10% ranged dmg (lmao)-Only poison domain scales from dex but sucks, other domains use magicWarmage+Potential for Cold/lightning domain combo-Jack of all trades, master of none problem. No special feats> E TierWizard+Highest base casting potentials (150)-Five domains make spells too unfocused-Other classes have better bonuses and can spellcast just as goodWitch- Unimplemented so no real bonuses yetTourist- Feats are disadvantages (purposefully)- Starting attribute potentials do not matter at all- Base skill potentials do not matter late game but they do significantly speed you up for the majority of the game. Same with domains.- Having less domains is better because you want to cast the same spells to gain spell levels.
>>695400792Anon is really bad at math. I asked where he got the tables so I could just run the numbers myself >>695400932Not all head is made equal. I haven't seen a eished SLB less than 15 traveling which is the last breakpoint before 30 for faster travel but I have seen a ton of randomly generated as low as 5
>>695400302Ixion Saga DT
>>695399661>I turned into steel my best weapon with was grass-made with that Steel Hammer from a Earth God Statue GiftThe chatgpt translation ingame is more precise than the gibberish you just put out, anon. With that being said: Unless you're playing a fairy executioner, yeah, you did a nice upgrade.
>war missions as a kumiromi followerit devolves into chaos so quickly, i love it
>20 potions of the same cattegory to craft cauldronWhere and how...
>>695401256Don't. Go look for bones, mill bones. The powder is considerd a liquid.You can figure out on your own how exactly this work. Please let me know when you do.
>>695401086I'm playing Warmage and not super happy with it. Should I just reroll Sword Sage? It looks fun.I'm one year into the game.
>>695401010>Executioner is not S tier outside of a single combination which is SSS tier. A tier seems fine>paladinSeems a out right. God bonuses are crazy if you metagame and don't just pick your favorite god. EXTREMELY well balanced class>farmer>BGet the fuck out of here. Farmer is either S or A and you even listed why. Stats>feats >sword sageSimilarly A or S. Stupid good especially on the untended recipients (foxes)All irrelevant since snail tourists can work
>>695401086Will Thieffags ever recover from this? They were so confident too.
>>695401089Wait, there's breakpoints? Is there any real difference between 15 and 25 for the sake of travel speed then?
pals is this game fun? like, do you have cool stuff to do? or is just busywork?i liked kenshi a lot so games without a goal are finecan i craft cool stuff to sell in this, i like making money in games
>>695400074>soullessgrind bones into 20x bone powder>soulcollect 20x snowballs off the floor in noyel
>>695401424>is not S tier outside of a single combination which is SSS tier. A tier seems fineNo, Executioner is definitely S tier across the board. Certain combos make it even crazier, but just having Mana Body in general is amazing for literally everybody.
>>69540134140 bones will take some time but sure Anon
>following some made up metayou are completely soulless.
>>695401436Maybe. Classes are planned to be rebalanced at some point.
>>695401491No. As I said the next breakpoint to change over world tile travel speed from an hour travel at 15 to half an hour is 30
>>69540160520 bones. Go into the nearby forests and look for bones. Shouldn't take you more than 10m at worst.
>>695401593*except Wraiths, who have Mana Body 2 already
How do I uncurse my items?
>>695401619>30does itdoes it scale?because my SLB are 29and if ive been getting trolled this whole timeim going to shit
>>695401349They are very, very similar because most of the time you won't bother to use the talismans anyway. It's pretty likely that whatever you don't like about warmage will transfer to sword sage or priest. Every hybrid has a smooth earlygame but a tricky midgame because of how skill leveling works.>>695401619Yeesh. And boots are the only slot that can ever roll that modifier right? So there's not even a hope of combining two items' bonuses to get to 30, unless you're chaos shape.
>>695399292Where are the cooking/crafting trainers?
>>695401349You can do the same thing Sword Sage does albeit to a lesser degree. Entirely up to you.
>>695400689Is that what it does? I thought it emptied the invisible ether progress bar so you can manage your symptoms if there's diseases you want to keep.
>>695400302i wouldn't know, i'm not a gay weeb
>>695401606Every meta is made up.
>>695401827You at least get more speed from the enchantment as well. My fast journey 24 crystal boots have the exact same speed as a fast journey 15 spirit cloth (+5 speed) boots. At 29 you're probably getting around 8 speed over travel 15.
>>695401098Fuck, thank you for making me remember that this exists. Time for a rewatch.
>>695401868All over the place. just go to each town, ask a guard for where trainers are and go there. Get each ability before trying to do too much.Also, you can join each guild and each guild has trainers for unique things; example would be gun is on thieves guild.
>>695401606Zoomers can't help themselves
so is this better or worse than elona
>>695402034Yes.
>>695401930Yeah you're just gay.
Should I play Elona first? Don't know if this kind of games is for me
What's the difference between these two scrolls...?
>>695401086>InquisitorI don't have shit to say other than a big party one with trick god sound extremely good for bane spam>PriestPriest is just better casting paladin. Second best casting overall>GunnerDoesn't need special feat and is all in on guns. Does what it wants to do exceptionally well. Deserves B or A>WarriorBoring and it just wergs class>thiefThe more I have been playing the more I feel if you want to luck max just play gunner >PianistPianist are for ignoring nefias for the first 100 hours. Untierable>Archer>WarmageHaven't played them because they seem both boring and aweful>WitchUnimplemented >TouristLiteral intended hard mode
The latest update at least bumped hybrid characters a lot. Hybrids' best way to level up is spamming dungeons because it both gives high level enemies to level melee on and lots of books to spam for spell levels, and now you can frequently get miracle gear just by killing rare enemies.
Im not sure why this specific identify scroll is in *asterisks*
>>695402152>>695402170lelSeems we both ran into the same problem simultaneously
>>695402152*uncurse* is stronger (might be enough to uncurse doomed items?)
>>695402134i never played elona and elin is quite fun i think it's better to go in without previous knowledge because you won't be expecting things that won't end up being there
>>695402224Oh, okay. That makes sense.>>695402170I've had these scrolls for a while but never noticed that was there until just now.
>>695401086If you're inquisitor then you can holymaxx and nothing in the game will resist you because Kizuami's the only source of holy resistance in the game and you can just remove it.
How do I make pebbles
>>695402573junk stones in the millstone iirc
>>695402170>>695402152the * ones are stronger. Enchant armor goes to +2, *enchant armor* goes to +4. I haven't actually used one but I would assume that *identify* can identify artifacts and godly-tier equipment, because regular identify can't. *uncurse* would be either guaranteed to succeed(regular uncurse fails sometimes) or would be able to fix doomed items, or both.
is it just me or are wizard traits a bit shit? 2 extra domains seems kinda lame when youre probably going to be leveling up only a select few spells anyway. something like the farmer's stamina reduction seems infinitely more valuable
>>695401341Done
What do domains really do besides giving you dream spells?
>>695402573junk stones in the stone cutter for granite pebbles, or use a hammer to disassemble a stone for whatever kind of pebbles
>>695402669I meant more like "how do you get liquid from bones" but that works too. Good job on your witch shack.
>>695402525Does holy get an arrow? If not it is useless. Yes arrows are overturned
what's the biggest chest/box i can make? i keep dungeon running because it's fun but i end up with like 30+ items and i'm running out of storage space
>>695402170*Asterisk* scrolls are more powerful.*Identify* can identify godly items*Enchant* can upgrade weapons from 3 to 4 (and from 4 to 5 if blessed)*Uncurse* are guaranteed to uncurse anything and blessedet cetera
>>695402804>And blessed *uncurse* can target multiple items I believe
>>695399292gennys belong on /vg/
>>695402764Arrows are not overtunedAOE is just janked up as fuck because balancing "Damage, but EEEEEVERYOOOONE" is a nightmare.
>>695402635You pick wizard for the retarded casting scaling and combine it with fox bullshit for even faster scaling. You get 190% potential AND your spells level up faster so you scale like crazy. It is very very dumb
>>695403040>Arrows are not overtunedYes they are. Once you get 3 dice it is retarded. I have 6 now and I cannot imagine melee having the same single target potential outside of some exploit>AOE is just janked up as fuck because balancing "Damage, but EEEEEVERYOOOONE" is a nightmare.
>>695402635I mean, it depends really. Sure the most effective way is the Megumin route, but that doesn't mean there's no benefit to having multiple spells from different schools leveled. Especially for their benefits other than just DPS, like for an example I didn't put much thought into you could aim for the most amount of beneficial spells + buffs/debuffs for your Kizuami support build.Besides keep in mind that nobody really knows all that much to begin with and the game is changing constantly as well. Look how absolutely confident the people posting about Thief were, parading it around as the objective best class and calling everyone stupid for saying it wasn't. Now people are saying Paladin gets way higher Luck.
i NEED more wall recipes all mine are shit
Real talkDoes paralyze even fucking work?I've been running through these 200 Nerve Arrow casts to work on casting/etc a bitNothing seems to give a fuck despite repeted paralyze procs going off
>>695403040>>695403194Woops posted too early. AOE outside of EQ/meteor are beyond trash. Pathetically so. Ball skills need bigger bases or even better just a Bigger modifier
>>695403409It will delay them for one turn.
>>695403437Oh, so its not a duration stun. Shit good enough I guess. Not that it matters when Blind exists.
>>695402675Spellbooks for your respective domains have a MUCH higher chance of dropping or being found in shops.
What do domains mean anyway? It doesn't seem to prevent me from learning spells outside my domains
Is Juere with the +25% food potential a good race if I basically want to do everything in the game, ie melee, magic, crafting, etc?
>>695401086>not being an elea thiefmage
>>695403591domains affect the spells you can learn from dreams, as well as heavily stack rng in favor of your domains spellbook dropsalso damage spells of your domains get an extra dice for their damage roll
>>695403591Arrow spell Not domain: 2d6Arrow spell Domain: 3d6
>>695403678>also damage spells of your domains get an extra dice for their damage rollNo wonder arrows are so retarded even early game
>>695402764No, but it does get an intonation. 140 guns/crossbows/marksman/faith, and devout 1 (better version of luck 1). Inquisitor is to Gunner what Paladin is to Thief. You trade like 30% combined ranged potentials and stealth stuff for a caster skills and a busted unique combat ability.
>>695400005Only after bg3 spam migrates to /vg/
Thief is gayRerolling WizardLuck is meme
Now that I think about it, it's weird that the damage for crafted ammo scales with your crafting level but neither archer nor gunner get potentials for crating. Instead, archer gets anatomy.
>>695403731>Arrow spell Not domain: 2d6By the time you get the second die it is like 14 arrows be dumb
>>695401086Paladin needs to be in Ehekatl for multiple in game years to equate one thief. It will eventually surpass. This is quite an extreme amount of time.>Access to Chaos by itself pushes Thief (and wizard) up a tier each. >>695401593>across the boardIt's domains are pretty subpar thoughbeit
Is there a way to convert pots of dirty water into clean water pots?>>695403834yeah thief needs some serious reworking, it has no niche and there are simply better all-rounders
>>695403795>No, but it does get an intonationOh yeah I guess that works. Seems like archer but better. Duly noted if I ever decide to play an archer
130 hours and i didn't know this is a thing
>>695403848Archer getting anatomy makes sense if you consider archery synonymous with hunting. I do think gunner should get crafting potential though, at least, and I wouldn't take issue with both of them getting it.
Where do those giant statues I see screenshots of come from
>two black cat saliva in one Nefiawowza
is it possible to put someone else in the gallows?
I am taking good care of my mistress' weapon. >inb4 Noa updates it
>>695404013The terror of Palmia.Hide yo bathtubs
>Deformed eye counts as human flesh
>>695403883>Paladin needs to be in Ehekatl for multiple in game years to equate one thiefFor luck alone. Consider it also scales 3 other useful stats as well being CHR evasion and fishing
what do I do with junk stones?
>>695404131The only way he updates it is making it stronger. It is kinda mediocre as is compared to the other options. It is funny seeing my little girl stab shit when they get too close though
>>695404108grab gallows, right click target
>>695403883It's easy to overlook how most of the non-caster classes actually have better casting domains than the actual caster classes. Sword Sage for example is locked into 5 different domains which, between all of them, have one(1) dart spell and two(2) status effects. Nether is the worst domain in the game and Holy is the second worst domain in the game with only an intonation going for it.
DUDE
I wonder how Appraising works, it seems to just identify everything at once every X turns.
Should be a feat for 2(3?) points to get a domain expansion
>>695401086>Priest C>Paladin AThey are for all intents and purposes same fucking class. Paladin having devout 2 doesn't even matter because Priest has 150 base potential in faith
>>695404390SS gets the only 2 relevant arrows that scale with magic. SS is by far the best casting class in the game
Who should I chuck my love potions at? I'm thinking the ecopo merchant.
>>695404657Lightning, Fire, Nether, and Holy don't have an arrow spell. If you play SS you'll realize that you're spending the entire time wondering why arrow spells, including ice arrow, are the rarest spellbooks in the game.
>>695404749go into war quests, progress til wave 80 and throw it at a lv 1200 bossget 3 of their milk, die, feed it to a newly hatched pet
>>695404657This. SS needs the casting pulled back and more emphasis on the melee portion of the class
>>695404194>For luck alone.Well yeah. If you're comparing it to thief you're doing luck to luck.That said.>FishingNot that 7+ isn't high at high levels. But it's not high enough to solely dictate that kind of decision.>ChrThe highest recruit is what? 90something?Unless you completely neglect that, PLD is reaching that long before they hit the 30 Luck breakpoint to surpass thief in luck. And then there's the chaos intonation being as good as it is for everything except the lovecraftian horrors. Not Niggurath though he sucks.
>>695400209You're supposed to make cheese of their milk and jelly, not their corpses what the fuck anon.
do mods not work on linux?
>>695404508How are you supposed to use these besides making your tent lighter?
>>695404631There's a cap on the bonuses from piety. A priest cannot achieve the bonuses that a paladin can. Even as a paladin your faith skill will outscale your piety, so the extra potential isn't needed.
>>695404831I thought they got cold lmao nevermind
Why does this bee have a little arrow above it's model?
>>695404868>>695404194What does increasing your fishing level even do? Just make you catch fish faster?
>>695404948yeah i started seeing that too
>>695404878>JellyHow do you get jelly from things?
>>695404952Faster fish. More valuable fishing results.
>>695403592Just about, yes. Yerles is easier to gain feats and has a platinum coin discount though. But stats beat that
>>695404952Getter drop table >>695404868CHR has a bunch of shit tied to it anon
>>695404948>>695404995Killing it did nothing
>>695401010>>695401086As a pianist, I think the best quality the class has is the +50% base music potential. It's just a big QoL so you don't have to keep training music all the time, and the music trainers are both far away from Palmia where all the music quests spawn. Music is a fantastic money maker so it's a significant thing to consider.On the combat side of things, combining Pianist with Succubus, Elea, or Fairy means you have 20 charisma on day 1 which lets you recruit more meatshields immediately.I'd also argue that throwing is a good early game skill to have potential on. Throwing weapons are great before the scaling drops off, panties are available as soon as you make a shovel, and putit in amber is one of the easiest precious weapons to find.Of course these are mostly time-savers, so it's not like it's S tier. But if Farmer is B tier then so is Pianist. It has the same upsides: good domains, good QoL, good long term potential, nothing special in combat but makes up for it through grinding its profession.I think Farming base potential is worth less than Music base potential, because while leveling Music is also a way to get tons of platinum coins, Farming is not. It's also time-limited since crops have a growth timer. Meanwhile if you want shitloads of plat from cooking, you don't even need the skill, you can just buy vendor meals as any class. And unlike music you won't actually make much money doing that.in other words: as great as Farming and Cooking are, you're not doing them continuously, and they don't earn you platinum coins. So you need another way to get mass plat and it's not inconvenient to travel to the trainers every once in a while. Music base potential on the other hand, allows you to spam performance quests and not care about training as much, despite your potential being drained quick by constant leveling. And with the plat, the Music user can boost their Farming/Cooking potentials higher than the Farmer, and pick them up later.
>>695401424>farmerThe main reason it's in B is because you can get same farming/cooking on other classes, you just have to use more plat for potential. I just can't see it in the same tier as paladin even although it's def a strong class>sword sageMaybe could be A tier material but in the end both A and S tier classes can also use talismans and make up the difference with better stats or just hit harder while being significantly easier to play. >>695402154>PriestReason is that paladin can cast just as well as priest, and most likely will do so with better stats due to devout 2. Only downside of paladin is domains.>PianistYou can do that with farmer too and end up with better stats making pianist outclassed as the slow life class>>695402525They don't get holy domain though, making that somewhat inconvenient. But inquisition might have strong uses that are not immediately obvious so could be higher tier. In general the classes with unique mechanics are strong>>695403883>Paladin needs to be in Ehekatl for multiple in game years to equate one thiefIt's extreme but still a good example how eventually it just makes another class obsolete.>Access to Chaos by itself pushes Thief (and wizard) up a tier each.I think the problem with thief chaos is that the class is not spellcasting focused at all. I'd honestly rather play witch if i wanted a chaos spellcaster. Remember that every class can cast spells from any domain and the extra 1d is tiny. The domains just make it easier for you to lvl skills during your game due to having more of them. Similarly for wizard, sure you can pick chaos, but since you have four other domains that compete with it.>>695404631It's true that paladin will have to spend extra plat on faith but since you will hyperfocus on it i dont consider it a huge issue. And the bonus from devout 2 is double that of a priest making it much stronger
>>695404939>There's a cap on the bonuses from pietyWhat faith do you need to reach that?
I think I'm ready to talk to people
>>695405079wutfarmer has triple or quadruple the vigor of any other class
>>695404941Sages do get cold. Lightning Intonation+Ice arrow talisman is their bread and butter.
>>695400258After 155 hours, had my first crash 5 minutes after downloading this
>>695405169All classes have 100 vigor retard
>>695404931good question
>>695401086>>695405062oh right, I forgot about the passives. Yeah pianist's isn't as good as farmer's, so maybe C tier is fair.
>>695401086>play paladin if you want to luckmaxxqrd? I'd like to start a luckmaxx character someday and thought Thief was a good choice.
Heh
>>695405267my bad, I meant stamina, you fucking tranny
>>695404941Cold is their only arrow spell, and they never have enough of it, or other arrow spells, because of lmao5domain.
>>695404868>Well yeah. If you're comparing it to thief you're doing luck to luck.Uhh no, why would you ignore literally every other factor? Especially you who is specifically making the claim that thief is still good due to the early game and therefore can't runaway to ignoring the different potentials and skills at the start because 60hrs later they're not as impactful.
>>695404948I think it's when you press f to target something
>>695404931Cosmetic stuff I guess? In case you were making a garden and wanted a green god statue that looks like topiary or something.
>>695405328ORE WA
reminder that you can change class using cheats and it won't break anything, you will simply lose your previous traits and gain the new ones, while switching the domains around
>>695405480>using cheats and->A package has arrived.
>>695405231grim, any idea what caused it? i'd hate to get like 10 floors down somewhere and just crash
>>695405079>is that the class is not spellcasting focused at all.Doesn't have to be. It's dual wield focus and chaos intonation rolls on each hit. If we're scaling to maximums like we are for paladin, then Thief's hit chance to both stick and land ailments are virtually guaranteed.The problem with the "every class can cast" is that every class isn't getting these books in quantities that matter. Unless Noa eased off of the scarcity from the beta, if you're lucky to have >100 of an out of domain arrow spell never you mind the thousands you will reach in domain just by sleeping.Three elements naturally get cucked by high level enemies randomly due to that fucking cuck Itzpalt, which is an issue wizard doesn't have to deal with given it can "easily" train multiple spells worth of domains into the 60's off of two shopeepers alone. At least until Noa makes the dummy take stamina when you're casting magic at it
>>695404196anyone?do they have any use besides pebbles?
How do you guys get furniture?????A brewing barrel is 40 tickets. That's a lot, and influence is just as hard to get as tickets.The only method I found is rolling missions and hoping I get something easy, like singing or fighting monsters, sometimes collecting crops.
>>695405309Paladin is +30% god bonuses. Eventually, with high enough Faith, Ehekatl's bonus will be >100 luck which means you'll have more than +30 from the class bonus. That's not even counting Ehekatl's other favor bonuses to Charisma, Evasion, Magic Capacity, Fishing and Stealth That said, Luck is still the worst stat. 30 luck is less than 5% damage bonus. Also it takes a LONG time to get enough faith to reach >100 luck. It's way more than 30 faith.
>>695405810i have 162 luck with the dagger + 78 faith
>>695405789...Fucking build it you numpty.
>>695405789You gain influence every time you invest in a store, plus the requests, plus furniture tickets are sometimes given directly for requests and for performing. Most of those crafting stations you only ever have to buy ONCE, so it's not that big a deal to grind out 40 influence.Don't do Brewing Barrels. You need 9 of them to brew all the possible types of (rotten) bonito flake wine at the same time. It's easier to grind Pickpocket skill up to about 20, then you can steal all 3 barrels in Palmia (outside the Bar around back) with minimal effort, then come back later and do it again as needed.
>>695405789m8it's a couple of planks, nails and a rope
>Autosaging again
>>695404508just found one too
>>695400937>You gain influence points every time you invest in any shop in the city... Sweet didn't know that. I have like 4 shopkeepers I am about to recruit here anyways so might as well>warningthis isn't a general you retarded janny I asked a question specially for the game
>>695405810Luck does more than just damage. It rolls everything. You'll level up faster, memorize more spells, etc.
Apparently secret experience of Kumiromi is capped at 5. This is so ass.
Any Gunner bros here? When reloading, am I supposed to be holding shields for tanking or a melee weapon to stab while reloading?
>>695405915Irrelevant. The dagger also doubles the Thief's luck feat, and Paladin has no impact on the luck gained directly from the dagger. You'd need 100 Luck solely from Ehekatl's favor, before the dagger.
>>695405789If the ticket cost is in the double digits you're not meant to get it that way and it's just there as an extremely expensive backup.You can buy the Brewery Barrle recipe from Farris and craft it yourself.
>>695406092No that's a lie. It only does damage. Not hits, not spells, ONLY damage. I know it sounds like it should do everything, it'd be a great stat if it did and that's why I rolled Thief myself, but it's a mistake. Luck ONLY does damage.
>>695406112...are you fighting with a gun at melee range?
>>695405917>>695406019I have a recipe for a barrel, but not for a brewing one.>>695406002Right now the only thing I can pickpocket are random animals.
>>695406195Huh, guess the wiki was wrong when I read it. Lame.
>>695406112You should not be meleeing shit as a gunner ever. Dual shields, wait until your reload's done and then start blasting again. Can do anything else like throwing, casting or repositioning. A turn meleeing = a turn wasted
>>695406195*and healing (spells). Healing is just negative damage
>>695406248>He hasnt gotten Farris
>>695405810paladin also gets better class growths and other god scaling. By the time luck matters in late game paladin will have on par luck as thief while having significantly higher everything else
I.. what? What is the logic behind flicking the bean creating power?
>>695406175>>695406276Lmao, I saved her from Nymelle and forgot about her, I even killed those larping gay vampires at the bottom or whatever they were.I'm kinda stupid.
>>695406357it just works
>>695406047wish it had some use>>695406276what's so good bout Farris? I just hired her and got destroyed
>>695406197I just walked into that room, this one is all Poppy. But in general you'll get swarmed and something will reach you while you need to reload, it'll just happen.>>695406274Thanks, anon. Also mods and jannies are fags/
>>695406421she sells the brewing barrel recipeshe's also a healslut, not for fighting
Just give thieves extra dot damage and a better chance of applying them. If we're gonna have the poison domain and all these miasmas, then at least one class should be using them instead of spamming arrows.
>>695406571Miasma seems like it'd become good in the giga late game where your spell levels are being capped by your stats. But it's like impossible to hit that point.
>>695404996Livestock produce ""milk"" made of ""jelly"". Yes, even male critters and people.>>695404948I had a stray sheep do this on my base. I have no idea what it means.>>695406029You're not supposed to talk about video games on /v/.
>>695406357NPCs with the personal pleasure hobby also learn/train magic device, which is the skill associated with using rods. You know the ones you zap to make magic.That should tell you all you need to know.
>>695406097Do they work on companions?
>autosagedLMAO BACK TO YOUR GENERAL, TRANNIES.
>>695406089Amazing how mods will go out of their way to literally remove video game discussion of a new game while babysitting porn threads instead of deleting/moving those.And catering to faggots like >>695400005 actively trying to kill the board instead of banning the failed applicants.
>>695406841The irony of someone sucking off the actual tranny janitors saying this is great.
>>695406812Yes and they give 3 feat points instead of 1. Don't know about a cap either way, I've only ever found 3 of the things.
>>695405374Firstly>60hrsHowever long it taes you to get to ~1300 days.>literally every other factorThose factors don't impact the literal only reason you'd pick thief, which is the damage rolls on dice.The topic was based on outluckmaxxing the thief. Which I agreed it would eventually do so. But, it takes awhile and during that time thief's got it's own strengths that make it more competitive before it eventually becomes "irrelevant". The other half is that "every other factor" is useless shit irrelevant to why you picked thief.A few points (>10) of fishing and the same few in stealthThat leaves>Charisma>Magic Capacity>EvasionAnd if you need me to double explain why these aren't worth speaking on, especially during the time before thief becomes "irrelevant" I will.>Especially you who is specifically making the claim that thief is still good due to the early gameThief has a phenomenal early game. This isn't even under consideration. But what I said is that it could be bumped one from D too C.
>>695406841Do you seriously sit here monitoring threads you don't like for hours? Have you checked your blood pressure lately?
>>695406896>tranny coomer retards act like tranny coomer retards even when given "authority" positions>this somehow surprises you
>>695406841LIKE A BLOODY STORMmoyaseLIKE A BLOODY STAR
NPCs don't have the ability to use faith abilities right? IE, lulwy's trick.
>>695400763If you're about to sleep due to being tired but you have stamina left, blow it on training dummies.
>>695403409i mean it seems to work when those fucking eyeballs do it on me and my little girl
>>695406960>The topic was based on outluckmaxxing the thief.No, it was Paladin vs Thief. But alas, we can't be autistic and debate videogames because mods = fags
Are heirlooms automatically chosen based on value or do I need to do something to change it? How can I increase the value of my land?
>>695406841>We've reached the point where earnestly playing and talking about videogames now means you're a trannyI wish I could go back to a time to before this site was overwhelmed with closet homosexuals obsessed with men in drag.
>submit feedback calling janny a retard>make new threadAyo
I will be converting those to Jure>autosageLMFAO
remember to not use elin in the OP anymore bros, just something people who don't play videogames won't recognize
>>695407081>No, it was Paladin vs Thief.Well then I clearly interjected into the wrong conversation. As that's why I said>>695403883>Paladin needs to be in Ehekatl for multiple in game years to equate one thief.
>>695406896I think if we want to talk about Elin we'll just have to format the OP as a twitter screencap. I'm not sure what else is supposed to be allowedlike if you make a thread about a video game that's already been made, it gets moved, autosaged, or banned on sight. but if you make long-term recurring bait or politics threads that's fineit's not even like it's a circlejerk or image dumping like the pseudo generals mods mysteriously do allow on /v/, these threads are 99% discussing the game and it fucking just came out earlier this month
>>695407191>Paladin needs to be in Ehekatl for multiple in game years to equate one thief.Maybe I'm retarded, but posting that to a tierlist implies wholesale. But that could just be me being completely wrong, my friend.
>>695407260Be sure to put a steam playercount chart at the top too just in case.
>>695407189filenames get searched by the catalog too, fyi:)
How much faith do you need before you can raise your devotion high enough to obtain an artifact from your god?
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>>69540738730.00000000000000001
>>695407406>>695407423Yeah I kinda figured since the follower is at 15. Guess that means I'll need to raise another 7.75 faith which should be fast with model follower.
>thing has 44 hp>do supposedly 3d21+4 damage to it>thing has 43 hpuhhhhhhhhhhok.
>>695407301>tfw have to format your post as "OH NO NO NO BROS" with a steamcharts pic to avoid your vidya thread getting banned
>>695405062>>695405283I agree that pianist has a great, if not the best start with two allies, performance quests, mic/panties and inn food. But the problem is it doesn't scale that amazingly well and it doesn't have much else to bring. Farmers farming/cooking on the other hand does scale pretty good and you still have the stamina feat. Plat coins is true but performance quests also scale poorly (nearly impossible to do when you get +1k ones). Maybe C tier is fair though.>>695405169Which is unique and a fantastic qol feat, but what does it *actually* do for you>>695405681>intonationsDidn't think about that, that might give thief an edge indeed>ItzpaltThat's a good point. Seems only farmer has that problem though since it doesn't have access to anything else. I still don't feel like wizard has anything special other classes can't solve better (doesn't mean it's not viable)Thinking about bumping thief and pianist up a tier, and warrior down a tier due to not bringing anything significant
Should I just keep all my money in my tent?Is there any chance it could be destroyed somehow in there?
>>695407560resistances and damage reduction from PV.
>>695407560PV reduces incoming damagepen ignores PV
>>695407560Turn on damage numbers in the experimental settings.
>>695406195But also damage rolls against you. Since Paladins wear heavy armor their PV rolls will get rolled too
>>695407696Enemies have their own luck that doesn't make sense.
>>695407632damn that's genius
Again?
>>695407773I meant more of your own PV rolls. There's a flat reduction and then there's additional dice rolls from your armor to reduce whatever damage you take.
>>695401767Ask a healer or find scrolls or rods of uncurse
