Merry Christmas 1999 !
DK64, really?
>>695415427Unironically DK64 is funni hydra in this case.Rayman 2 is excellentAdventure's presentation and gameplay is godlike.DK64.... Just another Rareware 3D collectathon...
I played Sonic 3 on the new e-machine that Christmas. Anyone else old enough to have memories of 1999? I played Lego Racers on this bad boy too.
>>695415584>>695415820DK64 is an excellent 3D plateformer of its era. In terms of ambition, it's a kind of missing link between Kazooie and Tooie. Was an excellent surprising when I played it. Collectathon err... whether you like or not. I do when the game is agreeable to play with. Rayman 2 (and later 3) are the best ever linear 3D plateformers.Sonic Adventure... well... on a pure aesthetic aspect, art direction and OST (the best part of the game actually) are enjoyable but its gameplay, QA, camera, gamedesign are pure horseshit. I replayed it this summer it was a pain to do. Telling the game design gap between Nintendo/Rare plateformers as abysmal would be an understatement. Yes Sonic Adventure is fast, so fast it is 60 bullshits per second.
>>695415427Superiour.
>>695415820DK64 is a fantastic game. The only thing people complain about for it (too much to collect) wasn't a problem at the time because we simply didn't have many games in those days, it was probably the only new game you were gonna get for months.
>>695415427Most of the posters here were born after 9/11.
>>695415820>Sonic Adventure>Can beat the whole game in a normal playthrough in 2-3 sittings>This is somehow acceptable in 1999lolnoAn entire completionist run wouldn't even take you a weekend.
imagine console warring(?) for shit that has long stopped being produced
>>695415427DK64 is the bad game here
>>695418441K I N OINO
>>695415427>rayman 2>on 64dreamcast version is universally known to be the best versionmake the comparsion correctly
>>695418675I think you're retarded anon. The game is 10 hours long, guess how long games were back then. Besides RPGs games were short as fuck, look at shit like resident evil, Mario 64, and golden eye
>>695415427Another recommendation to switch DK and Sonic.
SA1 was a pretty good launch title for the timeDK64 was rare's fall from grace reaching terminal velocity
>>695415427All of those games were successful and well-received in 1999.
>>695415427DK64 and Rayman 2? Not even Ape Escape? Lmfao. Get some taste tendy.
>>695420094Rayman 2 on Dreamcast was released in March 2000.Btw, having played the PC, Dreamcast and PS2 versions, the latter's the best, the definitive version of R2.>>695422459Low effort trolling here mate
>>6954172312 isn't linear at all, it has tons of backtracking compared to 3, which is shit for that reason.
>>695418536This>>695415820>>695415584The backtracking is rugged, we all agree, especially in Fungi Forest where you also have the day/night cycle. That and the bonus barrels are bad. The rest of the game is pretty solid. It gets harder later on, the collectables aren't even that badly spread out, even if the Kongs themselves have minimal variety amongst them there is plenty of gameplay and challenge variety, and it's got a great amount of content. Dk64 is the black aheep of Rare's 64 library.
>>695422345Okay but SA is a terrible game.Everyone's has its own tastes. I understand some won't like collectathons. SA is too flawed by critical aspects for a plateformer, including camera management, level and game design, gameplay, finesse of movement, etc. Thou shalt not put Lanky Kong and Big the Cat on par.
>>695424278Filename
>>695423896Pretending DK64 and Rayman 2 are notable games is indeed low effort trolling.
>>695424278>Okay but SA is a terrible game. maybe on planet estrogen
>>695415427Inaccurate since Sonic Adventure is better than those two.
>>695424030Its level are built in a linear fashion, with a defined end. They are not small open worlds as Super Marios and Rare.Backtracking here is roughly "go back to this level to enter the Cave of bad dreams". Backtracking is much more a thing in open world plateformers where you have to explore the worlds.Rayman 3 imo is a better game because of its scoring system, DA (somewhat inherited from R2 unsurprisingly), writing/acting (original french version), global feel of rush and I just feel it more agreeable to play in hands. OST is just mega and is one of the best ever to me.
>>695424350I can walk on my hands. What can YOU do ?
>>695415427Pretty sure in 1999 I was playing command and conquer.
>>695424278>Okay but SA is a terrible gameFalse. It is flawed, yes, but not bad at all. Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Gamma are all fun to play. Knuckles stages are short with the ability to hunt 3 Emerald shards at once, the only timea the levels are actually large enough to not be clustered up together are Radical Highway and Red Mountain. Sega tried to make SA an everything game. Amy is slow, but her levels were pretty cinematic and responsive in a time when such horror elements were only used a select handful of times. Sega with games like Il Bleed or their fishing simulators tried to incorporate those concepts into SA. I'll totally agree Big and Amy suck to play as but they're modes are so short, especially Big's levels which are>find Froggy>catch himHot Shelter is the only time you actually have to work to get to him. It's the best Sonic game, no other 3d Sonic game makes spin dashing and using thst momentum so fun to play as Sonic in. You genuinley FEEL like Sonic when zipping sround in a comtrolled way. SA2 was also a stellar game but didn't have the freedom and level design to accommodate such movement.
>>695424449Time to close the internets and sticking to your spyrarse and crash bandicunt son
>>695425023NTA but I just started playing Crash Team Racing, and I really feel like it's got the collectables angle Diddy Kong Racing does well at and fleshed it out even further instead of focusing on 3 different vehicles.
>>695424936Shrink in size, to suit my mood.
>>695425354Bro looks like showbiz pizza bear
>>695424989Doing rank A levels with Big is one pain in the arse. Moreover, moving him feels like driving a semi-truck in a hiking trail. Plus *that* voice. Why ?Yeah Knuckles is the most interesting character to play, both gameplay and gamefeel. Tails is pointless as his levels goal is to go faster than Sonic (wouldn't speed be Sonic's gameplay only ?) and his ability is overshadowed by Knuckles' which is much more fun to play. Anyway, controls of all characters are imprecise and tedious, some are just in a magnificent way let's say.Moreover, after re-playing it last summer it came to me that most of Sonic games are kinda bad compared to Nintendo/Rare's, either its 2D or 3D. If it's the best Sonic game, I cannot imagine how are the others then.
>>695415427Sonic Adventure blows both of those games out of the watert. nintenbab
>>695424989>Sega tried to make SA an everything gameSega should've tried to make SA an SONIC game
>>695417231sonic adventure mogs dk64 in every way
Incredible that Rare made four platformers on the N64 and not a single one of them is actually fun to move around in. They never recaptured the simple but effective joy of doing roll jumps in DKC.Being their first 3D games isn't even an excuse cause Mario 64 predates all of them and shows how to make moving in a 3D space fun and dynamic.
https://youtu.be/_SBKj5ofGVwSonic Adventure was fucking awesome as a kid. Sure it seems flawed as fuck now but at the time it was pure undistilled soul. You had to be there. Even now I'd rather play Sonic Adventure over DK64 (or as I remember it, "Collect Shit Until You Die 64").
>>695426091Banjo-Tooie is one of the best 3D plateformers ever. That feel of connections betweend worlds is one of the many little things that make it fun to play. Not to mention the world design, the controls precision and responsiveness, the mega OST, the writing, the lifespan, the technical mastery. It's the perfect late game for the N64's life.
>>695424936When it comes to taking cocks, I can fit in two!
>>695424278>Okay but SA is a terrible game.you can tell this person never played the original dreamcast version and only listened to what youtubers said about the dx "port"
>>695425810so like diarrhea in the pool, sure.
>>695426376Don't get me wrong : as mentioned SA's OST is great and the only successful aspect of the game. Some tracks are *really* great pieces of composition. My favourite among many is Pleasure Castle... for Twinkle Park (talk about a name), the opening track for Twinkle Park level.Other anon talked about Hot Shelter and I couldn't resist the listening of "Bad taste aquarium" !
>>695426773I did. Unfortunately.
>>695426917>SA's OST is great and the only successful aspect of the gameI disagree. Remember Sonic Adventure was a game from 1998.This might seem janky as fuck nowadays but it was impressive at the time:https://youtu.be/Oela0BEC2ME?t=20Remember we're talking about a game that came out around the same time as the original Half-Life.
>>695415427nigtendies are really reaching if they genuinely believe DK64 is anywhere near SA1 or Rayman 2.
Sonic adventure is one of the greatest games of all time actually.
>>695425140play the ps2 sequelthe theme park and finding all the ways to die was a joy as a kid>interactive loadaing screenmore games should let you blow raspberries in the loading screens
>>695429332I am trans btw
>>695418441Roller Coaster Tycoon also came out in 1999
>>695424278There's no way you can call SA1 "Flawed beyond redemption" and then also praise Donkey Kong 64. You have not played either of them within the last 15 years if you sincerely think that.
>>695417231DK64 is shit and the straw that broke the camel’s back. Nintendo regretted ever funding them.
nobody cares about rayman
Why are you guys so lame and stupid?
>>695415427Sonic Adventure is better than both of those other two, thoroughoverbeit
>>695415427All 3 are kino.
>>695431815C r a n k y k o n grankkong
>>695431971d'ohohohohoho
>>695415427>Merry Christmas 1999 !I was there, Sonic blew everything out of the water, Dreamcast was AMAZING, like a quantum leap from before, N64 looked like a joke and PS2 was a year aways with their best games 2+ years off.
>>695418657Most of the posters here, I mean like 90% are phone posters.
>>695431312wrong, 4chan autists still do, every ubishite thread they are there, still bitching and malding
>shit flinging between whether sonic or dk was worse>Nobody talking shit about Rayman >Rayman is the one that hasn't had a game in ages
>>695434693Rayman's identity is amazing games. It's just not profitable to maintain such a streak when Ubisoft could just make more goyslop
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>>695434693why talk about a dead series at all???
>>6954154273 shit games
>>695435939but sonic is good
>>695425720On paper it sounds easy but I think it's super hard to design a game where you move incredibly fast horizontally and not either make it piss easy or kaizou tier
I'd play SA1 one thousand times in a row before I'd even think of touching DK64 again.
>>695426376What if I like collecting shit?Fuck, SADX's stupid hub world missions were kinda fun
>>695415584Tendies will pretend anything Nintendo puts out is good. Just look at how they pretend Mario and Luigi is a good series.
>>695426585Based>>695426091The ONLY one that sucks to play is Conker. Challenging but when you're fighting controls or taking fall damage from everything you suddenly don't appreciate the challenges. The frying pan is the worst weapon in all of 3d platforming and is artificially inflating its dopamine impact by the fact its unintuitive swing speed and momentum cancelling makes the thrill of landing the hit that much more incredible. They remade this game like twice, you'd think they'd know better than to make everything control fuckily.
>>695429635>>interactive loadaing screenYou can blame Namco Bandai for that patent on loading screen minigames
>>695415427>PAL
I never play RaymanWhat I am missing?
DK64 is no good even with the kong switching mod because the actual content is largely boring. Rayman 2's level design is an extremely mixed bag with not enough focus on pure platforming. Sonic Adventure has whack physics and the level design isn't fully realized due to hardware limitations.I'll take SA1, no contest. There's a lot more of that game that I actually enjoy than there is of the other two.Also, I love Godzilla. Ghidorah is my favorite.
>>695437428Yup. Level design, even as a kid, felt boring as fuck. Less dense as Banjo. Lot less soul too.
>>695424278Collectathons aren't inherently bad, but DK64 was the moment when Rare got lost in the sauce and made a game where all you do is pick shit up or do awful minigames for more baubles.Sonic Adventure is a 3D platformer where you actually do platforming in a variety of different ways, plus some fishing.
>>695437675DK64 had a ton of soul, it's the reason people even remember it fondly. Having something neat to look at and nice to listen to goes a really long way in enhancing an otherwise mediocre game.
>>695425720>Moreover, after re-playing it last summer it came to me that most of Sonic games are kinda bad compared to Nintendo/Rare's, either its 2D or 3D. If it's the best Sonic game, I cannot imagine how are the others then.You're just straight up admitting that you're unable to look at these games objectively, and letting your association with Nintendo color your opinion.If you play Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and all you can think is "Nintendo games are better than this", then your brain is just broken, friend.
>>695415427This was my Christmas except it was Sonic and House of the Dead 2
>>695438262Sonic games are definitely tough to get into if you didn't grow up with them. People are used to more conventional Mario-style platforming where you have total control and agency of your movement whereas in Sonic you have to learn how to exploit the physics to get where you wanna go. And this isn't a flaw by any means, it's obviously part of the intended design. It can take a while to crack that barrier but once you do the games become enthralling to master.
>>695438558you have 100% control over your speed in Sonic games, they are just more committal and punishing with it when compared to Mega Man or Mario.
>>695415427DK64 was so good that it killed the DK 3d forever.DK Jungle Beat, which was a really good game with an awful way of controlling, was a return to 2d.At the best, we have some mockup projects on Dreams, but at practice, we'll never know.
