Have you been learning japanese through videogames?
Mostly through manga since it's mainly annoying in games.
>>695859243baka no de, amari benkyou shinai
Today I read chapter 841 of Kuma Kuma Kuma BearThat's all.
>>695859243only native born japanese can learn japanese. so it is pointless to try.
>>695859243No. I've picked up a few words here are there during immersion. But I'm not consistent enough with it. So I've just been grinding anki and going through a basic grammar guide.
>>695859549if millions of japanese immigrants can learn english, your gaijin ass can learn japanese
>>695859549What's your goal? If it's just read a manga or play a game in japanese than that's perfectly feasible. You don't need to learn japanese at a native level to do that.
WHO THE FUCK IS THIS GIRL WHY IS SHE THE FACE OF LEARN JAPANESE THREADS
>>695859773it's relatively easy to learn all of the phrases you need to live in Japan, but learning enough Japanese to fully understand media is whole different challenge.
>>695859243I'm two years streak on duolingo and feel confident enough to start a simple game in Japanese, maybe a pokemon game would be a good start
>>695859887She's from here
>>695860193So you cut-off the last part. And now she's a symbol for giving up on learning?
Can Japanese people really read each other's handwriting?
>>695860575it makes for a sugoi meme
>>695859962I assume you're American or something because it's not that unusual to be fluent in 2-4 languages. >>695860792If some random Japanese kid can read my mistake ridden scribble script then of course they can.
>>695860993>it's not that unusual to be fluent in 2-4 languages. it is unusual for one of those to be an archaic/autistic dying asian language.
>>695859243No.99% of video games don't have furigana. So you can't learn from them.
>>695859962Learning phrases is pointless coz you won't be able to understand any of the replies.
trying to
>>695860029>2 years in duolingolol
unless you marry japanese or move there to be engrossed in fluent japanese 24/7 you will never learn japanese. it is scientifically proven.
>>695860029doing duolingo and consuming media are inherently mutually exclusive. Keep thinking about how much you want to fuck Zari, keep your streak going and give up trying for real.
>>695861056>dying>I've never been in Japan and will never be in JapanWhy are you on this weeb site again?
>>695860029pokemon is a great start. zelda games are also good, since they are mainly hiragana and use furigana on the kanji. basically play anything targeted at children.Triangle Strategy is my favorite though, because it uses adult language + older words but also allows you to pause and replay dialogue easily.
>>695860792that’s extremely easy to read, lmaothink in strokes
>>695861536yes native japanese are dying as a people, soon it will be nothing but half breeds and foreigners and then eventually the native japanese bloodline will go extinct and it will be just like every western country. i have been to japan but to visit and not to be an annoying cringe disrespectful weeb who thinks its the promise land and ultimate paradise.
>>695859243I'm not powerful enough to even begin playing games yet.
>>695859773Yea, because they literally fucking live in J-Pan.
>>695861662So are we talking about 100 years or more? Because that doesn't matter in the slightest to anybody in this whole thread. I know being a doomer is fun and all but keep a bit more believable.
>>695861484You can do duolingo and consume media at the same time no? The real question how useful duolingo is for consuming media yes?
>>695859243>recently started tokimeki memorial 2>game heavily pushes your childhood friend you've reunited with, Hikari>decide to chase her best friend instead>despite not making any attempt to impress her, Hikari still falls in love>feel guilty after hearing her sad reactions to being turned down all the time>realise she's living a nightmare where her childhood crush came back into her life just to ignore her and fall in love with her best friend insteadWorst part is I don't even like her friend. She turned out to be a massive bitch but I'm in too deep now.
>>695861946japan is soulless now anyways. zero reason to visit nowadays. imagine learning a dying meme language so you can visit a meme country far past its prime. couldn't be me.
I'm an English teacher. It's occurred to me once or twice to actually take that pipeline to Japan but I just don't know. I have a family I'd have to bring along which seems doable but certainly complicates things further.
>>695861936You don't need to live in Japan to learn. It helps because of exposure but that just speeds up acquisition. You can still learn at a slower rate outside Japan.
>>695862015you can also smash your cock with a rock to achieve similar progress to learning japanese as using duolingo
>>695862195It can't be that bad. It teaches atleast some vocab no?
Mostly anime. I should probably try replaying some old game I liked in Japanese. Watched Girls Last Tour and now I'm making my way through Shirokuma Cafe though. I would like to try moving to Japan for a little while to see if I like it. I like Japanese people. They're very normal and well balanced.
I've started with Kanji and grammar now, but I'm still really confused on how I should approach learning Kanji. I thought the best approach would be to learn the readings, but it seems poeple claim its useless and I should just learn the words instead? But a single kanji can have so many words attached to it through context so how tf do I practice this shit? Like I look up 見, it's pronounced み for the verb looking, but if I want outlook(of life) it's せんAnd that's a simple example with similar words attached to it, some shit can be wildly different. I can't wrap my head around this
>>695862480>They're very normal and well balanced.yes they do try very hard to keep up appearances.
>>695862015duolingo's only purpose is to give you a mindset to keep a streak going. If you already have that, you'll have better chances at reading some tae kim everyday along with some よつばと pages instead. Don't procrastinate, start today, or you'll never make it.
>>695862195Duolingo is perfectly fine to pull out and learn or refreshen your memory on hira and kata while taking a dump or something. It's not meant to be the meat of study.
>>695862515I can recognize a decent chunk of the kanji but particles and sentence structure fuck me up. I know I should be getting more immersed in the language too but I have so much going on in life it is difficult to find time anymore. It sucks.
>>695862439I learned "des ka" = a question. Also, it's not bad to grind out hiragana and katakana but you can get better results grinding the same 1 off quizzlet flashcard web page
>>695862515the simpler ones tend to have more readings. You won’t use 90% of them at first, but the more you learn the more you’ll come across them.Learn how to write them, the meaning / pictography, and the readings. Get kanji practice workbooks and do like 10-20 characters a week. Anki decks can help with refresher learning, but won’t teach you how to write.
>>695862749Try Bunpo. It’s paid, but seems better.
>>695862515The meaning is what's important. Readings are largely arbitrary. The multiple readings comes from characters being applied to preexisting Japanese words based purely on meaning (kun'yomi), and being imported from China multiple times independently.
>>695862195I've never used it but Duolinguo seems like it's for normies that want to pretend they're learning a language like a it's a game instead of a form of transmitting information.
>>695859243I'm getting tired of flash cards and honestly I'm not internalizing the kanji anymore. I need to change it up to something else that's for sure.
>>695862716>learn or refreshen your memory on hira and katalearning that should be something you do extremely quickly without the use of something like duolingo and then is refreshed constantly every time you are interacting with the language
>>695860993I would love to see your definition of "fluency" lmfao
>>695863137Watashi wa eigo desu!
>>695859243I tried to dive in but I'm still way too far off from it being anywhere close to a semblance of a smooth experience. My free time's been irregular so I've had to freeze my progress again but when I properly get back to it I do want to go for VNs, probably, so to answer the question, depends if you count VNs. I had been doing ok with Yotsuba and I could also try replaying FF7 or something to have a game where lookups won't bother me as much, but I'm really wanting to get listening in ASAP.>>695860792This type of shit still scares me though.
>>695862873>>695862762Alright so I should just power through it. Looking up 見 on Jisho, there is like 300 words with it in it. Obviously some of those are very edge cases, but I'm not sure how many of these I should learn. I guess after a while you can start figuring out the meaning based on previous knowledge, just like western words work?
I have disposable money and hate my current job. what's a good language school in japan that isn't in Tokyo, Kyoto, Okinawa, or Osaka?
why would i learn nip? im neither racist or a pedophile
>>695863945you shouldn't. Japanese is OUR language.
>>695863137I would say that I'm fluent in English and obviously in my native one. If you can use your target language to inquire and understand new things without the help of other languages, I'd say you are fluent.This is about speaking and listening btw. Literacy is another thing.
>>695863945Then you are no true gamer.
>>695863945You're on /v/. Japanese develoipers make up a large chunk of the video game market. And despite a large number of Japanese games don't have translations in the west. Thusly the reason is obvious. To enjoy video games you couldn't otherwisel
>>695864239>learn a language to consooooooooooooooom bettergrim.
>>695864239>learn a language to consooooooooooooooom betterzased.
>>695863945>why would i learn nip?gooning to loli ASMR
>>695863476I've only been at this for the past 3 months but you'll just pick these things up along the way. Worst case scenario you'll go >見物? Is that mimono? Oh no nevermind that's kenbutsu Then after you see that word a few more times you'll have it down.Just make sure to do your Anki reps
>>695864529>見物it can be either depending on context
>>695864674Ah shit you're right
>>695862074Japan is literally better than all of the euro and american countries combined
Coming from english, the hardest part about learning is when they drop subjects and even objects from sentences but still have it make sense because how contextual japanese is.
>>695866279I can deal with that, for me it's words that can in certain situations be compared to European languages' words but are often used horrendously differently (even when in the comparable or an adjacent sense), your からs, your とs, and so on and so forth. Even when I can work the usage out it still feels so unnatural to me.
>>695865963brainless weeb.
What text grabbers do you fellas use for VNs and emulated games?
>>695861543>play mainly hiragana games broAbsolutely impossible to decipher when you're a beginner because of homophones.Atrocious advice anon.
>>695862015Duolingo is an absolute scam. If you do it for years you'll only be like N4. It is a colossal waste of time.
>>695862439>It can't be that bad.It's worse.
how many niggas here made it and now live in japan
>>695859243Manga's better
>>695862515>started with KanjiEveryone makes that mistake.Studying kanji is a waste of time.They are not words. They are not used on their own. So studying them on their own is pointless.1) Their meanings change when they are used in words2) Their pronunciations change when they are used in words3) Even if you learn all their "keywords", it still won't equip you with any knowlege to be able to decipher compounds.Learning kanji is a colossal waste of time. Don't do it. Learn vocab.t. wasted 6 months on kanji at the beginning.
>>695862515https://github.com/donkuri/Kaishi
>>695866984https://github.com/blueaxis/Cloehttps://github.com/kha-white/manga-ocrtextractor will work with most VNs
>>695867309What you mean is don't study kanji specifically. Vocab is still going to have kanji in it. Granted you go from trying to remember one kanji with 20 different readings, to the words that have kanji in it. You still have to remember what the damn thing looks like either way.
>>695867309I wasted a year learning kanji arbitrarily learning kanji with the 2k/6k deck instead of actually learning it through an immersion mining deck. It all comes down to actually just immersing. I only spend 30 minutes in anki a day max as opposed to the hour I was spending learning in the abstract and I have 500+ cards from my immersion already, all of them mostly all common words that I didn't even get into from the 1000 cards in my 2k/6k rotation.
>>695866916he's right tho
>>695867550
>>695869373you will never be japanese.
>>695867550Thanks, any good manga with furigana you'd recommend?
>>695864290>>695864325My friend learned Japanese and now has a Japanese wife. He's also a bit of a big shot there now.I learned Japanese and now I'm stuck at home reading untranslated loli doujins and eroge all day.
show us how good your japanese is !https://vocaroo.com/
>>695870424dang you could be in Japan paying for some JC 円光
>>695859243I played Persona 4 so I know how to say Television in Japanese but that's about it.
>>695871008Post it.
>>695859243no
>>695867216i live in japan and have a japanese wifeim about 6.5 years into learning
>>695870283Just read any manga you might be interested in or read a series you've already read in English. Furigana for me were like useless training wheels. It doesn't matter if you can read something if you don't understand what's being said. You're likely going to have to look up every sentence you come across anyway, so get used to it.Though I would recommend starting out with slice of life or really common settings with characters doing normal shit like going to the store, going to school/work, having conversations about food, etc.
>>695871183Me too, and even with diligent study this shit is frankly inhuman. While I technically know Japanese, one thing I've realized I'll never be able to achieve is the frankly unnatural way japanese people structure certain sentences. Like I'll be able to craft that sentence, but never in the way they do. Shit like "xxx 念 失った" while cutting の sometimes, and sometimes adding shit that grammatically shouldn't make sense. It's like the language is already contextual enough but they try even harder to make it more so, while cutting down as many words as humanly possible. And don't get me started on the increase of usage of loan words, it makes conversation nearly impossible with some people. They'll hit me with step up in that horrid katakana style and I'll ask to confirm "step up"? And they'll look at me with the most puzzled look imaginable. Bitch at least learn the word you're taking it form. I swear if kids here were taught to pronounce their loan words correctly they'd be, well maybe not all that well off, but at least not in like the bottom 5% of english speakers worldwide. Ridiculous that a colombian peasant has better grasp of english than an "educated" japanese person with a postgraduate degree.
>>695872768is this from reddit
>>695867216What's so "made it" about living in Japan? I spend a month here every year and I dont think I would want to live here permanently. General life prospects look grim here, but maybe that's my perspective because I have stability in my home country. If I had nothing to lose then I would probably consider it
>>695873769>If I had nothing to lose then I would probably consider itthis is the case for many 4channelers
>>695874275>depression :(>depression: japan :O
>>695873769i like japanese women and the language thats why i moved here
>>695873769>nothing to loseYou can always lose an arm. Maybe a leg.You can also lose your sight or your hearing.You can also lose your sanity and your ability to think logically. There's lots of things you can lose... I'm not sure if Japan would fix those.
>>695874545You will never be Japanese tho
>>695874545wow making mentally ill hapa sons will surely make your life better.
>>695874670why would i want to bethey love whites>>695874696my wife is 50 she cant have kids
>>695859243one day many years ago, i learned hiragana and katakana in a single day. yet, i did not attempt to learn any kanji afterwards until present day. what game should i play?
>>695874723why are you so old?
>>695871616Thanks, anon. So just like real training wheels, they're basically bad practice for an adult then?
>>695874778im 23
>>695874723Are you a gigachad? Women thought I was ugly in America and women thought I was ugly in Japan.
>>695874803why did you marry an old lady? is it a schizophrenic delusion/fantasy of yours?
>>695875089Obviously he married her to get JPN citizenship.
>>695860993it's kinda easy modo if you're learning languages closely related to your own language, you could become fluent across all of western europe in the same time it takes the average person to learn japanese
>>695874846i also got female attention in my native country but not this much>>695875089im into that
>>695875121there's no young and dumb nip women?
>>695874779It can be good if you're using it as a way to double check kanji readings, but it's too easy to fall into the habit of relying on it so much that your eyes drift away from the kanji you're trying to understand and remember. Associating surrounding context with specific kanji isn't too hard once you're used to it. It's just like how someone learns the difference on when to use where, we're, and were.
>>695874670>goylem already projecting his israel issueskek, you NPCs really only know how to project
>>695875751>Israel and America obsession out of nowhereLove this episode
Japanese is the most coherent and simple language out of of the major languages, right?They only have two irregular verbs for example.
>>695876209theres more than two irregular verbs and also japanese is not a major language just because they make your porn cartoons
>>695876209japanese has never been a major language.
>>695876209You are retarded if that's the only thing you factor into account when you think about coherency and simplicity but you do you king.
>>695876302lol>hey! anon, so you know Japanese? that's cool! what made you want to learn it?>uh...
>>695876302>theres more than two irregular verbs"Suru; to come" and "Kuru; to do", only these are considered irregular verbs in the Japanese grammar though.
>>695876956行く->行った is not regular
>>695876956問う
>>695859342Yes
